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Plant seeds, water 'em, give 'em sunshine, and before long you've got a pretty impressive homegrown blueline

True, but the “impressive” part of that, at least in terms of the Caps having perhaps a top-five foursome, might be 2-3 years down the road. It is not at that level now. Is it enough to get them to a Cup this year? Guess we’re going to find out.

It is conceivable that all of the Caps starting defensemen in a few years will have been drafted by the club (if guys like Dmitri Orlov and Patrick Wey make the jump). That’s nice as a marketing tool, I suppose, but will that be the best defense the Caps can put together?

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by ThePeerless on Sep 14, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

....

This season’s theme

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it enough to get them to a Cup this year? Guess we’re going to find out.

Not sure that’s going to be the case. But whether it is or isn’t, developing your own talent is more than a marketing tool – it’s cost efficient and good asset management because you don’t have to overpay (in dollars, prospects or picks) in the marketplace.

I’m with you 100% on the timeline and the questions, but I wouldn’t be so quick to brush aside the significance of a homegrown top-four.

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t. Truth be told, I agree it is the best way – both in a hockey and an economic sense – to develop and sustain a competitive team. But I wonder if there isn’t something of a timeline mismatch in the way the forwards and defensemen are developing. If the top-four need 2-3 years of further incubation to achieve “impressive” status, we could be 7-8 years into Ovechkin’s tenure (5-6 in Backstrom’s) here before he and the defense will have finally matched their potential. Are the team, players, fans, front office that patient?

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by ThePeerless on Sep 14, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t it generally take longer for defensemen to “mature” anyway? Hell, Green and Schultz aren’t even 25 yet, and Alzner and Carlson are 21 and 20 respectively. And that’s 4/6 of this year’s defense. They have a combined 833 games of NHL experience.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barely more that Tom Poti has himself (787).

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by ThePeerless on Sep 14, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

But I wonder if there isn’t something of a timeline mismatch in the way the forwards and defensemen are developing.

You could even add the goalies (behind the D) to that concern.

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Steve Yzerman played 14 years before he won his first Cup.

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by gotsparkly on Sep 14, 2010 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Reply fail, was meant for Peerless.

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by gotsparkly on Sep 14, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ray Bourque won his first in his 22nd season. Point being?

Peerless is referring to this team as presently constituted and their closing window. As guys move from ELCs to RFA to UFA, they’re going to price themselves out of this market, in all likelihood. Alex Semin? See ya. Brooks Laich? We’ll see. Knuble? There aren’t endless miles in those tires. Does Carlson’s next deal impact Green’s or vice versa? There are a lot of moving parts here, and to have some peak before others obviously is an unfortunate and uncontrollable part of that.

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why I’d argue that while drafting can — and should be — the cornerstone personnel development tool, it cannot be pursued to the exclusion of other tools. The Caps have done some of that (employment of other tools), but sometimes I wonder if they don’t forego it in pursuit of a self-consciously draft-centric point of view.

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by ThePeerless on Sep 14, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so exactly. I think the philosophy is to build the foundation from within and augment it with pieces from outside, being mindful of minimizing the risks (i.e., not over-committing). If you look at the players they’ve acquired over the past few years, be it Theodore or Knuble or Chimera or King or any of the rentals, they’re all two-year guys. Who’s the last guy the Caps brought in (trade or UFA) with three years left? Nylander?

It’s a very conservative approach, no doubt, but it’s in part necessitated by that strong internal development.

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

So. Souray has been told not to report to Oilers camp. What’s next, and does DC somehow figure into this?

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

No!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 14, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Waivers and no.

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no. And no.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hearing that Souray does not, in fact, have any future in DC.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Adrian Fenty has more of a future in DC

BA-ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I rec this funny joke with a heavy heart. I’m dreading the results of today’s election.

"Hockey is my life, wine is my passion." -- Igor Larionov

by Scott in Shaw on Sep 14, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh. Me too. :(

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

hit me back
just to chat
truly yours,
your biggest fan,
this is stan.

by Natty Bumppo on Sep 14, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

’Bout time someone recognized (given Galiev and an Em reference, I thought it worked…).

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It certainly got the song stuck in my head early this a.m.

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by boutros23 on Sep 14, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn you Natty. Never going to get that beat out my skull today.

"The most important thing - to get to the playoffs and move on." Evgeny Kuznetsov

by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

blame JP! (or blame ovechkin?)

i was really hoping the dude in the handheld concert video would run into AO in the concourse. “OMG, it’s alexander ovechkin you guys!” yeah on second thought, i doubt he’d have recognized ovechkin.

by Natty Bumppo on Sep 14, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I choose to blame you…or Kim.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been known to do a mean duet of this with my wife at karaoke.

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by Scott in Shaw on Sep 14, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That I’d like to see.

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just read the “Hockey fan’s guide to the NFL” from Down Goes Brown… wow. One of his more clever pieces that I’ve read.

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Sep 14, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Tense times in the Devils’ dressing room.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d welcome Langenbrunner if he’d like to come play in DC.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here. We don’t really need a wingahhhh but I’d make room for him. He’d look nice opposite Semin on that 2nd line.

by grapejoos on Sep 14, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for subtle Stones reference.

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Must be incredibly subtle, because I’m not a Stones fan. (Probably should just say thanks and leave it at that)

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sympathy for the Devil is a classic Stones tune.

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I’d probably recognize it if I heard it and not know the title.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Langenbrunner…man of wealth and taste?

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

And one of the few that I really relate to.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its such a terrible cliche that the infamous stabbing occurred while they were playing that song

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Sep 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

accidental stones references are even better!

by Natty Bumppo on Sep 14, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The contract disputes/rejections/arbitration, etc., definitely changed the timeline for the Devils in terms of dealing with the cap issue.

At this point, this is similar to when the Caps traded for Friesen during camp in 2005 when the Devils needed to get under the cap. I always thought the story about Friesen being at a house closing sometime that day/week was a bit odd since he seemed like a possible candidate and the players should have known someone had to go; maybe the “newness” of the cap made it less obvious to the players that time around.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zubrus is at the top of my list of most-likely-to-be-traded guys for the Devils.

At the bottom are Rolston (35+ contract, $5M cap hit for 2 more years, so who’s going to want him?) and Zajac (too valuable for NJD to part with).

Langenbrunner, Clarkson, and White fall somewhere in the middle.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rolston also has a no trade clause, as does Langenbrunner.

I also like how Kovalchuk’s cap hit is 6,666,666 a year. Very appropriate.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…NTC’s don’t seem to mean as much as they used to. The player really has a difficult position: either exercise the NTC and be the bad guy, or be the good guy and forgo (sp?) your bargained-for rights. Given the Gagne example from earlier this summer, and also the tenor of Langenbrunner’s comments, it seems like the game is trending towards a NTC not conferring a whole lot of anything to the players that hold them.

It would be better if the CBA allowed for financial considerations in return for waiving a NTC (or NMC).

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, they can dump him in Albany if they want to, but i’m sure they don’t want to pay him all that money to sit in Albany.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolston is on an 35+ contract which has to be taken into consideration when discussing the options with this player.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oy. For a front office with such a great reputation (and deservedly so), they seem to have made quite a few not very smart moves lately. I know what they’re trying to do (win now! now! now!), but it doesn’t seem like they’re doing that very constructively.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that’s the incentive for the player to waive his NTC – if he doesn’t, he’s going to the A.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They really need a new transfer agreement so they can have an avenue to dump a lot of these guys in Europe if they so wish (and the player still thinks he can play at a high level)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why that would be necessary. The AHL is as good as most of the European leagues, so if they can still play at a high level the AHL isn’t the worst place to be. The reason players leave the AHL is about money, but if a guy is on an NHL contract (one way) and sent to the AHL the money isn’t an issue. I could see a lifestyle issue for the European players, but I suspect most North American guys are fine playing in the NHL as compared to a European league.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think that generally, you would want to keep your AHL team as a place to put your kids that are too old for Juniors, and that need to develop for the NHL.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true, and I think the first concern most NHL teams is making sure they have a place for their kids. But look around the AHL and how many teams are chock full of prospects? None, really. They all have a bunch of spots for veteran players to round out the roster. It may be a tough fit adding a late NHL veteran, but you’d have to imagine most AHL teams would rather have an NHL cast off who is only there because of salary rather than an AHL veteran who is only there because he can’t play in the NHL.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve also got the issue in the AHL of how many vets you can dress. There’s not an unlimited number of positions for them. Of course, I’m sure AHL teams would be happy to let a low-level guy go in exchange for an overpriced NHL’er who’s better than the guy he replaces, but that’s going to sting for the guy who ends up displaced because of it.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, sorry for looking like I"m quoting you. Should have re-read you more times before posting.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s definitely a concern (the veteran limit) but like you said I think most AHL clubs would be cool with pushing out a career AHL vet. It may stink for him, but he’ll still get paid and probably land at another AHL club.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a lot of European guys would rather be playing in the KHL, Swiss leagues, SM-liiga, or SEL.

Honestly, I would not be surprised to see Zubrus end up on Dynamo Riga sometime soon.

by Wheeler on Sep 14, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zubrus has an unofficial no trade clause — a 3.4 Million salary for the next three years

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Sep 14, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, it’s brutal.

Still, he’s a useful enough guy on a non-contender, maybe one that’s near the floor and could use a pick or three to aid in the rebuilding process?

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is going to take Zubrus’ contract? Except for being 35+ it’s at least as bad as Rolston’s. Salvador is also likely to be moved. I’d put White in the same camp as Zajac.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot about Salvador. But you’re right.

Re. Zubie, see above. He’d have to go to a team that is willing to exchange cash obligations for picks + a decent roleplaying center. That suggests to me a non-contending (or rebuilding) team that doesn’t have cash flow problems and that finds itself close to the cap floor or with sufficient cap room.

Like, say, the Isle. Or maybe the Avs (not sure they would want to part with the cash, though). Maybe the Stars?

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is, everyone knows NJD has no leverage. So even if it’s a good fit NJD won’t get value back. I don’t think Lou wants to put a good dowry on Zubrus, though a team like the Isles would jump all over that (ignoring the fact that they are extremely unlikely trade partners).

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yes. Lou’s going to get reamed in whatever trade(s) he makes.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree about the Rolston vs Zubrus contract comment. With 3 years left on Zubrus’ contract at 3.4M cap hit and Rolston’s cap hit over 5M for 2 years, I think Zubrus’ contract is the more appealing combination of contract and player based on recent performance and age and role, even before you add in the 35+ contract status for Rolston.

I agree Salvador is likely to be moved and Zajac is very unlikely to be moved.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it depends on the team’s cap position. Adding an extra year would be a deal breaker for some teams. Maybe the NYI or another team on the tail end of a rebuild. Some teams might be able to afford the 5 for Rolston for only two season but the extra year would impact their ability to re-sign guys like Tavares. I don’t know that I think Zubrus’ performance is any more impressive than Rolston’s. Rolston has had some injuries and bad years, but he has more talent than Zubrus. Zubrus has never been much more than a marginal C and he’s been basically invisible on NJD. I don’t think either are all that productive at this point so it’ll be hard to move either. I just don’t see much difference in the contracts other than term. The overall money is close, the fact that the players are in decline is similar, the +35 is the only real difference but there is no sign that Rolston is about to retire.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blogs by Former Players...

I hadn’t seen this site before, former players blogging…saw a link via Kevin Miller’s twitter…

Anyway, I have no comment yet and quality/content, but I thought some others might be interested, so here’s the link:

http://www.theplayerspoint.com/THEPLAYERSPOINT/HOCKEY.html

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 14, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Can we trade Kevin Miller’s blog for one written by Dino Ciccarelli?

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to trade Kevin Miller’s blog for a blog written by Kevin Millar.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Kevin Millar could form an interesting sentence on a keyboard. He’d probably just dribble Copenhagen juice on it.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha

and to the typo “and” should be “about” in my earlier post on this topic

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Loooking over the pix of vets’ practice, Brooks is not wearing a visor. Bad Brooks.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Steckel did that before in camp as well and then ended up wearing one during the season. There’s still time to change!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Besides, no one ever takes an errant puck in the eye at practice anyw…oh, wait.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, he totally should wear one. I guess he’s just too manly or whatever.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 14, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which, Potivisor!

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

This video is great. His accent is coming through. He also looks to have trimmed down a little, maybe?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 14, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got a new little Poti to take care of, I bet he doesn’t have time to eat :P

Also, I might be stupidly excited to watch this video when I get home. POTI’S BACK!

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by Becca H on Sep 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tom Poti rulz

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Sep 14, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t he say after it happened that he wouldn’t? He admitted it was stupid to not but that he wouldn’t change…it was a facepalm moment for me, for sure. So smart and lovely and yet so ridiculously stupid sometimes.

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by Becca H on Sep 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key must be family. Poti promised his family to wear his visor. Brooksie needs a family to scare him straight!

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by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

immediately afterward he said he wouldn’t. When Tarik did that big follow-up article several weeks later, Poti said he’d be wearing a visor because he didn’t want to put his wife through that again.

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by RedBirdie on Sep 14, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovie...den mother

That gave me a disturbing image of Ovie as the wolf suckling Romulus and Remus.

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by oldemystix on Sep 14, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Funny. But Ovi’s litter of Russian pups seems to be growing with every draft.

Sweet pic of Galiev—he always seems to have a smile on his face. It’s good that he enjoys his job.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like Nicky is also assembling a litter, filled with Swedish pups. Mirtle said on twitter that Nicky is buying Theo’s house. I saw Nicky quoted somewhere as saying he’d host the Swedish guys once he had more room.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 14, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That will help Theo out in this housing market.

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by oldemystix on Sep 14, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

One can never have too many Viking pups.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s cool, I actually know where that is.

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by Doncosmic on Sep 14, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So…Belanger.

Officially dead?

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Never say never!

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we can take heart in the fact that we have all the typical signs that precede a Caps trade or signing (i.e., no signs at all).

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Belanger hasn’t signed with another team.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 14, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And, as Mirtle pointed out the other day, neither Belanger nor his agent has said anything to the contrary.

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by red army line on Sep 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is that the signing is finalized at the start of, or on the eve of the start of, training camp. There was too much purported interest in Belanger over the summer for him to remain unsigned.

by Wheeler on Sep 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Belanger IS dead.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Allen Muir comment on SI/CNN

“The Devils are allowed to appeal the decision at today’s Board of Governor’s meeting, but they’ll be hard-pressed to find much support. It’s tough to imagine many other clubs wanting to draw attention to themselves — certainly not teams like the Capitals, Flyers, Bruins, Red Wings and Canucks who got away, barely, with similarly structured deals. So the Devils will just have to lick their wounds and limp away.”

ugh

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by NJNJ on Sep 14, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

And this is why Ted calls out any in the media who lump Ovi’s contract in with the front-loaded, cap circumventing deals. Yet no one seems to learn. Muir should know better. Or is he just being lazy by mentioning every team that has a long contract? Bleh!

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by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the Twitterz (Bravo, JP )

JapersRink: Re: Devils, “teams like the Capitals … got away, barely, with similarly structured deals.” http://bit.ly/c60k2R Wrong, Muir. Just wrong.
24 minutes ago via web

wyshynski: @JapersRink Easier (and lazier) for Muir to assume Caps’ long-term deals circumvent cap than to look it up. And others, of course.
21 minutes ago via web in reply to JapersRink

JapersRink Someone at SI please put this in front of Allan Muir’s face – http://bit.ly/cZgLmE
18 minutes ago via web



JapersRink: Oh, hey look – Muir edited “Capitals” out of that article. http://bit.ly/c60k2R Bravo.
7 minutes ago via web

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by bagace on Sep 14, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The power of twitter! Woo!

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad Muir cares about accuracy and didn’t Coxify it with a Twitter battle of falsehoods and innuendos.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s tough to imagine many other clubs wanting to draw attention to themselves — certainly not teams like the Flyers, Bruins, Red Wings and Canucks who got away, barely, with similarly structured deals.

Apparently he removed the “Capitals” from the article.

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by CapsFan2020 on Sep 14, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good. That didn’t take too long.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

-Look for Cody Eakin, Marcus Johansson, Dmitry Kugryshev, Patrick Cullity, Joe Finley and Braden Holtby to see some time in preseason games.

What about MP?

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by CapsFan2020 on Sep 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Finley’s in camp again? I guess they needed someone for Pisano to fight for the umpteenth time.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is she’s just singling out those who haven’t seen any preseason time before. Perreault’s practically a roster player, they know what he brings – I’m sure he’ll see plenty of preseason time.

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by Becca H on Sep 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I realized that after posting it. He was obviously talking about the younger guys, not the vets.

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by CapsFan2020 on Sep 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are the guys at rookie camp. MP isn’t.

by Wheeler on Sep 14, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m beginning to wonder that too. Corey’s prediction column is listing him as still centering the Bear’s second line. Bruce mentioned his gaining “10 lbs of muscle” over the summer, which sounds like he’s pleased with his condition. Not sure why he’s being overlooked.

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by bagace on Sep 14, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early reports saying Bobby Ryan signs at 5 years, $25.5 million (TSN). I’m kind of ambivalent—is he that good on his own?

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by red army line on Sep 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

31/26/57 in 64 games in 08-09

35/29/64 in 81 games last year. And he’s only 23.

Getzlaf/Perry/Ryan and Hiller is a great base to work around. Not only that, but they’ve got Sbisa in the system, and Cam Fowler fell to them at 12 in the draft.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, everywhere I read “can he do it without Perry and Getzlaf” who are really good players themselves. He played mostly with those two or with Koivu-Selanne. I like his play a lot but I like other guys who aren’t as good as they seem too.

Ryan’s Fenwick% list (Corsi minus blocked shots by the other team, or shots + missed shots for) shows he had at or above 50% (with over 100 events) with #s 1, 7 (well, it’s 49.8%), 8, 10, 11, 15, 19, 27, 31, 34, 35, 42, 60. Via NHL.com and Ducks.com:
1-Hiller, 7-?, 8-Selanne, 10-Perry, 11-Koivu, 15-Getzlaf, 19-?, 27-Niedermayer, 31-?, 34-?, 35-?, 42-Sexton, 60-Mikkelson (what?)

Via Behind the Net: His Corsi Rel led the Ducks, his Corsi Rel QoC and Corsi Rel QoT was 4th among Ducks forwards. Hmm, i can’t see anything bad about this in a vacuum, but yeah, not so fond of him getting Perry/Getzlaf money, more or less.

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by red army line on Sep 14, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hits slightly less than what Kessel does, who is probably a good comparison since they’re similar players (and they’re the same age)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care about what the hits stat says, Ryan plays with much more balls than Kessel. They both score, but I think the comparison ends there. Kessel has a ton of speed, a great shot, and not much else. Ryan seems to be the better all around player and didn’t disappear in the Olympics.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant salary cap hit, not “hitting” hits. I should have made that clearer.

Kessel’s cap hit is 5.4, Ryan’s is 5.1

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, right. And at that comparison I’d take Ryan in a heartbeat every day. Burke is going to continue to regret that Kessel trade.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Sep 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking that was a plant.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most definitely was not a plant. That’s not how we roll.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How could you make a comment about playing with balls and Kessel and not see the connection?

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by Killer_Carlson on Sep 14, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, it’s a bad oversight, but I definitely did not conspire with SME to plant it.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Kessel’s reputation of having a negative role in the locker room.

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by CarltonBanks on Sep 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m fine with him getting Perry money. I think he’ll be the better player over the course of their respective deals. Getzlaf is way underpaid, IMO.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I’m just high on Perry, though the more I look I can’t find anything to say Perry is better than Ryan right now. Only thing I got is Ryan got better zonestart and lost 4%. I guess I’ll have to pay closer attention to Anaheim.

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by red army line on Sep 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getzlaf is one a great deal for what he brings to that squad. He’s paid like a good C, but he’s at or near top-5. People forgot how good he was last season for the Ducks playing against the other team’s best offensive units and battling injuries.

As for Ryan, I have him edging into elite winger status because of his all-around game and these ought to be the best five years of his career. I think it’s an outstanding deal for Anaheim.

Let’s put it this way; would you rather have Bobby Ryan at 5.1 or Alex Semin at 6? I think the answer to that one is pretty easy.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What that’s saying is that Ryan plays on both lines in the top-6 and does quite well with either one. Bobby Ryan is a badass.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty high on Ryan but it’s a fair question. Just over 5 mill is the same as Getzlaf/Perry so I’m not shocked. We’ll see if he continues to earn it, but it doesn’t sound egregious to me and it’s basically exactly what I expected and have heard through the whole holdout.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

$5.1M/year for a player with 30+ goals and 25+ assists in his only two seasons with any real time seems worth it. They have 3 good young forwards for $5-5.5M – seems like a good core.

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by timmyv38 on Sep 14, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say he’s worth that deal; I’d take him before Corey Perry at the same money.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone read about media day at nhl.com?

Crosby and Ovechkin did a photo shoot for Vanity Fair on Tuesday.

Anyone have anything witty to respond to that? I’m stuck.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

And so the WC hype begins!

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish I were wittier.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

@damospin: Ovechkin, representing the Vanity half of the equation, preened and primped like the prima donna his overbearing parents moulded him in to. Crosby, in his part as Fair, insisted that despite his greater success and popularity, he not receive top billing on the press release, preferring instead to share the billing with his loathsome counterpart.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Bleh. Needs punching up.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nat's pic from the shoot:

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by bagace on Sep 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Our Most Interesting Man.

Looking cool, Ovie.

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by oldemystix on Sep 14, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovi = cool. It’s in the very marrow of his bones.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Sep 14, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovie is the definition of cool

And if he’s still into nachos and Coke, it hasn’t hurt, as this recent photo shows.

by Ovietracker on Sep 14, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Question

For those who attended and/or listened, was Sloan in attendance at the Hockey Chronicles event on Friday night? (I know Knuble was there since I’ve seen a picture with him at the event.)

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 14, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

No, he called in from Edmonton, where he was visiting with his GF.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

reply fail the first time; thanks for the response.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 14, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info.

by sk84fun_dc on Sep 14, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Belanger signs with Phoenix

I can’t seem to avoid this guy.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I absolutely don’t hate it.

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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Sep 14, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terms?

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah, not disclosed. I hate those stupid policies, everyone is going to find out anyway.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll see if someone here has them. My guess is we’ll know by the end of the day.

If there was a decent team worse off at center than the Caps its the Yotes, so I’m not shocked.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

One year, $750K.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rather have that guy at $750K than Halpy at $600K.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto, but we got neither, so … :: shrug ::

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those deals show you how the FA market has dried up because most teams have little cap space left and don’t want to spend it on 3rd & 4th line guys.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah… except the Caps have cap space and a need at C. I really don’t understand how GMGM let that happen. 750K is clearly not the result of a bidding war, so unless Belanger took less money to try to get better ice time it doesn’t make much sense. Even if he thinks he’s getting better ice in PHX, he’ll still be skating with lesser quality players so I just don’t see how this is ideal for him.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Caps have gone back to where they were in the early offseason. They’ve got several prospects they are going to give a shot to. I was fine with that approach then and I’m fine with it now. If it doesn’t work out perfectly they have cap space to make a deal.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a lot less cool with this if you can get Belanger at 750k. He’s better than Boyd Gordon and cheaper.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not better on the PK which is a large concern for me at least. Also, he takes up another roster spot that could go to a younger prospect.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between the two at ES and on the PK more than makes up for it, in my opinion.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

On any generic team I’d agree. On this one I’m not so sure.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you think either guy is a singlehanded difference maker on the PK (and everyone knows how I feel about that) then I don’t even see how it is a major point of comparison. Both can go out there and take a PK shift. Gordon is marginally better at FO and probably PK all around, but he’s got the back issues and isn’t so good that he keeps our PK above 80% on his own.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m all for giving the young guys a chance to succeed, but I don’t like the look of Flash/MP/Mackan taking 2 C spots and then Gordon/Steckel fighting for the 4th with a shot at the 3rd.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m not too concerned about it. Just like I wasn’t concerned about the 8-9 man D situation early last year. It will sort itself out.

My guess is that somewhere around the holidays, if not before then, they’ll make a deal for a center. I’m fine with MP or Mackan being a 3rd line center.

As for Flash, I’m hoping his likely failure at center will finally be the nail in his DC coffin. I just hope he’s placed in the coffin and shipped out before April.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. I’m just worried that Flash at 2C makes him impossible to trade. If he succeeds there is no way the team moves him… this is finally his breakout year! (Which may be true.) If he fails who is going to want him? Maybe a team sees him as a fit on the second line wing, but how much return would they part with? I doubt enough to make it worth it for GMGM to move Flash.

I don’t think our C situation was going to be fully solved by Belanger, but at least the 3C spot would be. As is we have questions at the 2 and 3C. I’m fine with the kids dicking around the C spots for most of the year, but I don’t like them going to the playoffs in that position. If we can actually trade for a 2C then that changes things, I’m just not very confident that it will happen. The wet dream is that Brad Richards gets sent here (ignoring the insane cost it would take), but that’s not likely and I don’t want to get my hopes up. There may be some other guys that might become available, but are any of those guys the type that is really going to solve the 2C for a Cup contender? Guys like that rarely move in-season.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your concerns about Flash are valid. I’m worried about how that plays out as well.

I’m fine with one of the young guys at 3C come April if they’ve shown during the year they can compete.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can live with a kid at 3C if we have a legitimate 2C that can eat minutes. If we can “hide” the third line and give them ~12 minutes a game then I think a kid might be ok. But if we are rolling Flash and a kid for 2/3 then I think we’re in for another early exit.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Flash is our 2C, come April I’m pretty sure it won’t matter who our 3C is.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Brendan Morrison at 750k? I’d take that deal.

by Wheeler on Sep 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

At 750K? The difference being that Belanger can play a checking role adequately, which BMo cannot. I’m not sure I want BMo on the roster at all, frankly.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with khtad on this one. And I’m one who was excited about his addition to the roster last offseason. BMo appears to be done.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I thought he started the year well and looked like a steal but since about December he just lost it. I didn’t see the same explosive skating and he really wasn’t creating much with the puck. His finishing skill was abhorrent and he was pretty easily passed by Belanger on the depth chart. I guess if he sits on the market as an FA and none of our C options pan out we could try to sign him for cheap later in the season, but I don’t think that’s a realistic option.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now this I have no quibble with.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vogel kept saying that the rumored signing with the Caps made no financial sense (1.85 m) given the market. He’s a smart man.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, now the Belanger thing is officially dead.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is they could never get the deal done. Looking into it.

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by James Mirtle on Sep 14, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

By “deal” do you mean the trade that was rumored or an actual deal with Belanger. I assume the former.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wondering if the leaking of said deal (and the Flash part of the rumor) pissed off GMGM.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see OFB thinking similar thoughts.

@JapersRink loose lips sink ships

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tacopina cost his client over a million dollars, if this is indeed what happened.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we find out the true story. I love seeing agents get burned and I’d like confirmation on this one.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it is, he’s going to be an ex-client real fast, or should be.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d tape that invoice to the bottom of my birdcage.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it torpedoed a potential trade that involved getting a guy who’s going to get a look at 2C this season, despite having the worst Corsi Rel out of any forward playing 30 or more games, with strong teammates and weak comp, I’m going to kick a puppy.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

getting rid of*

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ll never know who was or wasn’t involved. For all we know it was Fehr going out of town. We like to speculate that it was Flash, but it’s pretty clear the organization thinks much more highly of Flash than the fans do. If it kept a top 4 D off the team I’d be pissed as well. All in all, I’m not very happy with the development.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was told Fleischman or Steckel would have been moved.

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by James Mirtle on Sep 14, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frak. Now I’m well and truly annoyed that this thing didn’t shake out.

Thanks for tracking it down and posting it here.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’d all prefer Belanger over either of those two. Heck, I’m on record as saying I’d have given Flash away.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I wonder who was coming back for Flash or Steckel?

We’ll probably never know, but I’m sure if I did it would just annoy me further.

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by fat_daddyo on Sep 14, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we probably would be annoyed. Basically anything back for either would be fine with me. God forbid it was an actual player (i.e. Bieksa) and now we’re stuck with Flash and no Belanger and no D.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And no gritty 3C.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s also not lose sight of the fact that losing out on Belanger kills any depth we might have had at center. What happens if Gordon gets hurt again? Then we’re looking at a 2-3-4 C lineup of MP/Mackan, Flash, Steckel full time.

Whatever happened behind closed doors, the end result is bad for the Caps. It caps off a mediocre offseason by GMGM IMO.

by Kolzilla on Sep 14, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly there just HAS to be a move during the season. there’s no way around it, unless mackan/MP just blow BB and GMGM away during the early part of the season.

which also sucks, because good players don’t come cheap amidst a bidding war at the deadline.

by Natty Bumppo on Sep 14, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true unless they get miraculous performances out of players they don’t expect to. A player of Belanger’s ilk is going to cost a lot more than it would have last week.

by Kolzilla on Sep 14, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

as annoying as this is, nothing will ever top the nylander-for-byfuglien trade that fell through.

by Natty Bumppo on Sep 14, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hide the puppies.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

MPD’s on it.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep the puppies out of Adams Morgan.

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by Scott in Shaw on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks a lot for the info. Those are definitely two of the more ideal candidates to be moved. Flash has more skill but perversely I think Steckel has more trade interest.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone find me a puppy.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that info, James, but clearly that teaches the agent (and maybe his client too) that until you have ink on the paper, you keep your mouth shut.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agent is a former hot-shot defense attorney who was accustomed to trying parts of his cases in the media. Now fancies himself a sports agent. Got burned by an all-too-eager quebecois hockey press.

Sucker.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the follow-up friendo.

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by Bald Pollack on Sep 14, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks James. I wouldn’t expect or want you to burn your source. I’d just love to know the whole story someday.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet this is coming from Eric to the French press.

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by James Mirtle on Sep 14, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mais oui.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be fine with that deal and I hope at some point the Caps do publicly explain something. I just won’t hold my breath for it.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d expect nothing from the Caps (GMGM) unless Belanger and his people really make a big deal of it. Even then I’m guessing their comments would be vague.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know real estate contracts absolutely have to be in writing, but how does the CBA mesh with contract law regarding verbal contracts? (Disclaimer — I took business law oh, many, many moons ago. I did have to pass it to get my CPA, though.) This could get delicious. Or not.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think verbal agreements mean anything. You have to have a SPC signed before the league cares. If verbal contracts mattered you would have heard about much more bitter battles regarding Nylander and several other players that have done similar things.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point. But my wondering is regarding the amount. Say you believe you have a valid contract for x dollars and you stop looking for work. And there have been stories about kids out of college who have had job offers rescinded because of the recession. You might think you have a valid claim. Might not be true, but we all know you don’t have to be right in order to sue someone.

Never mind that if the story is indeed true, Belanger and his agent were idiots to stop looking for another deal once a week or two had gone by.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is that the NHL deals are going to be governed by a CBA. A recent grad that has a job offer rescinded is going to be governed by common law/state statutory contract rules. Any challenge regarding an NHL contract is going to be governed by the CBA, and without looking I’d bet that there is a clause in the CBA that says no player has any claim against any team for any contract related reason until there is a signed SPC. So yeah, Belanger could be pissed about it, but he’s got no cause of action. Think about the flip side, Huet says he wants 5 mill for 3 years, GMGM says “Ok, here’s an SPC for 5×3.” Huet takes it to CHI and gets a better deal offered from CHI. Can GMGM complain that he had a deal with Huet? Not to the NHL he can’t.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s kind of where I was thinking, but wanted a legal eagle to opine.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you say something about bird law?

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by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Actually, I was looking for Slapshot to say something.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t even get me started. Bird law’s not governed by reason.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Sep 14, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, now I’m upset about working last night. I wanted to be the guy who put up the “Harvey BIIIIIIIRD, MAN! Attorney @ Law” pic.

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by Boggles on Sep 15, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can I step in with a pet peeve here?

“Verbal” contracts.

Nearly all contracts are verbal in that they consist of words. What people most often mean here is “oral” contract, i.e. one not committed to paper but rather spoken.

As for the validity of oral contracts, they can most certainly be valid, but in the NHL, nothing’s valid until it’s registered with the League. In essence, there may have been, at most, an agreement to agree or an offer that was never accepted, but those ain’t much.

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by J.P. on Sep 14, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accept on the pet peeve, and it was my error; I actually should have known better. And answered exactly what I was looking for.

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Person most disappointed by this move may be Kyle Wellwood. Probably thought he had a decent shot at making the Yotes roster. He might still, but that hill just got tougher to climb.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take a flyer on Wellwood as a 3C with upside.

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by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly why I think the Maloney invited him to camp. Yotes have nothing to lose.

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by Carl Putnam on Sep 14, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow’s Post story on the whole Belanger-to-Phoenix deal. And, apparently, his agent hasn’t learned the fine art of keeping his mouth shut:

Belanger’s agent, Joe Tacopina, said the Capitals did have a deal to bring back Belanger and even helped him sign a lease for a house in Washington and enroll his two daughters in area schools.

“It’s just disingenuous,” Tacopina said. “Despite a two-way commitment and requesting Eric to commit to them and take himself out of the [free agent] mix, when they wound up not being able to make the trade several weeks later, they decided they couldn’t sign him.”

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by RedBirdie on Sep 14, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oy. Tom Poti battled infections this summer and is still on antibiotics for his eye. But everything’s just fine!

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

And F-16 came into camp at 220. Zowie.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If F16 added 8 pounds of muscle, that could be a significant positive development, given his game style.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, depending on where he put it. I think he needed more strength in his core but I could see him getting carried away having two good arms for the off-season and putting a lot in his shoulders. It won’t hurt, you definitely need strong shoulders to battle, but your core is by far the most important (obviously). Without a strong core you can’t let your legs and arms work independently and you end up tripoding yourself too often.

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, for sure. I hope basically all of it was between his knees and his solar plexus.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://twitpic.com/28dpr7

From near the end of July.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to tell from that picture, but it looks like he’s got a very solid core. Encouraging.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a heck of a vertical leap, BTW.

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fehr looked very strong in both the Knuble-led drills and the scrimmage on Monday. Both he and MP were a lot more determined/focussed than one might expect from a pre-camp skate. Perhaps they want to prove a few things in the next 3 weeks?

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by Boggles on Sep 15, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

A 2-month course of antibiotics indicates an infection that is nothing to sneeze at — that’s usually reserved for potentially chonic/long-term conditons (Lyme, TB, etc.) or immunocompromised patients. The public health worker in me makes me a little antsy about that kind of treatment.

<insert “not direct reflection of Poti’s health” disclaimer here>

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by alex_k on Sep 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poti’s got some immune system issues (severe and wide-ranging allergies), so it wouldn’t surprise me.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would make it TWO top-4 D with long form immune-system issues this summer.

:: gulp ::

So, Greenie…wanna take ANOTHER shift?

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by EmilyB on Sep 14, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we need to make Poti and Schultz live together in a plastic bubble for a while.

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by boutros23 on Sep 14, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was on the ice the whole time……

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by gfcaps fan on Sep 14, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

this just underscores for me how much we need another quality defender in the near term, rather than waiting on the March deadline.

back to cool special

by bigonetimer on Sep 14, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corey Pronman’s overview of the Ranger’s farm system

Money quote on Dylan McIlrath:

Good at battling, he will keep forwards out of the crease and also is a feared fighter. However his skating leaves a lot to be desired, as he can get beaten by WHL-level forwards to the outside, he has relatively no puck skills, a good, hard shot but he’s not going to be on anyone’s powerplay. Makes bad decisions at times in the offensive zone and can get caught flat-footed in the defensive zone. His hockey sense is decent, but the skating will really hurt him at the next level.

I’m just glad that Sather isn’t GM for the Caps.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Glen “Babytown Frolics” Sather

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by D'ohboy on Sep 14, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it. Obviously. Does anyone know if BSB saw it?

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by Rob Parker on Sep 14, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per Vogs

Matt Hendricks will be on ice with Caps tomorrow on pro tryout basis. A member of 06-07 Bears Calder finalists, he played for Avs in ’09-10.

For Hershey? Stats look like a grinder to me and we have enough of those.

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