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Your savory breakfast links:

  • Bruce Boudreau touches on a number of topics from his Golden Horseshoe Hockey Camp. [TVCogeco]
  • Statistical proof that Tomas Fleischmann #needsmorebradley. [RMNB]
  • Giving blueline "youth a chance out of camp" and signing Willie Mitchell wouldn't be mutually exclusive. Giving Tyler Sloan a chance out of camp and signing Willie Mitchell, however, presumably would be. [Puck Daddy]
  • A look at the top forwards in the Southeast Division. [Kukla's Korner]
  • Alex Ovechkin says hello from Moscow. [YouTube]
  • A Pennsylvanian view of Winter Classic whining. [Beaver County Times]
  • Impressive individual regular seasons don't necessarily ensure playoff success. But you knew that. [Peerless]
  • Doug Yingst has been named chairman of the league's Executive Committee for the 2010-11 season. Congrats to one of the AHL's more impressive suits. [LDN]
  • Greg Amadio's day with the (Calder) Cup. [SooNews]
  • At Team Canada's u-20 evaluation camp, Cody Eakin "was a bundle of energy at centre in the first game and then produced three points while playing on left wing ... in the second. It is clear the staff has an eye on the five-foot-11 forward as much for his versatility as his skill." [CP]
  • Finally, happy 48th birthday to Jim Johnson and happy 58th to Harvey Bennett.

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Bruce hasn’t taken a day off this summer, near as I can tell. And judging by that pile o’ raffle prizes (over a thousand????), he’s owed favors by everyone in the League. (Nice signed Chris Cooley jersey, BTW)

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by EmilyB on Aug 9, 2010 7:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Props to Mark Madden for his insight in the useless whining over the Winter Classic. Finally, someone from Pittsburgh with some common sense :)

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by capsfan4life on Aug 9, 2010 7:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed – and I love the avatar.

I like this quote:

I like the idea of 15,000 Capitals fans at Heinz Field. The resulting back-and-forth will make the game even more special.

As long as there’s enough security – but yes.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. We all need to remember this when the game is here in DC and the same rules apply. However, I imagine the likelihood of the opponent being the Penguins is somewhere around none. But assuming it’s a team close enough to make the travel not too inconvenient and expensive, those seats will easily be filled by the opponent’s fanbase (Flyers, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, even Hurricanes).

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure. (Besides, it now occurs to me that the Pens fans don’t mind invasion when it’s them doing it.)

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see it be at Nats Park. Ben’s Chili Bowl will make an absolute KILLING.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

So would I.

I’m a little concerned about the whole location issue, which will drive us all nuts for at least two years. If sight lines and capacity are better at football stadiums, we’re going to be stuck with FedEx. No way should it be held in Baltimore, even if the stadium is better. Part of the event is showcasing the host city, and while DC doesn’t exactly need the promotion, it IS the NHL city and Baltimore isn’t. They could always exclude certain seats at FedEx to reduce the capacity and dump the seats with obstructed views.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

if they don’t decide to hold it at “historic” RFK.

I must admit that it would be awesome to hold it on the National Mall, but there’s no way there’s be enough seating. FedEx is a dump in a dump of a suburb.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

RFK is a dump, but it’s a loveable dump. Multi-purpose stadium with the right number of seats in a football configuration (about 55,000 when the Skins played there, I think). Haven’t been there for a few years, though, and I know the DC United fans are grousing big time about it.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, come to think of it, doesn’t the fact that FedEx is in Landover sort of make it undesirable? Would the city be willing to fix up RFK to bring the Winter Classic there? I have no idea, I just wonder. Or would they try to get it in nats park (I have no idea what the capacity is).

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nats park holds around 42k and if they’re looking for a venue in DC proper that’s likely the best choice. But if they want to strike while the getting’s good, a FedEx game (particularly if a Cup comes here in the interim) would be a nice challenge to fill.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but FedEx isn’t downtown, so it might be a less than ideal choice. This is not to say, though, that Dan Snyder wouldn’t love to get his hands on a Winter Classic. I can see the $.$ now.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The NHL is not putting its signature regular season game in RFK. Wrigley without the charm. Fenway without the history. They want a showcase, not an eyesore.

Nats Park or FedEx. There are no other choices here.

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by ThePeerless on Aug 9, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this, even though I ran with the RFK suggestion. I only hope the league does, too, since I keep reading that they’ve looked at sites in Baltimore. And if you go with the stadium view concept, it has to be Nats Park, no?

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

excuse me, RFK no history? like nats park and fed ex have history? they put the game in ralph wilson stadium…about as charming as a ham sandwich.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 9, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

RFK has plenty of history… it’s just not adequate for accommodating a large crowd anymore. It is falling apart, as the city and the only tennant left (DC United) aren’t really inclined to do much of anything to fix it up.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 9, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Know what RFK also has to go with history? Raccoon atttacks.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You cannot equate RFK’s history with that of either Fenway or Wrigley. Those venues are iconic in American sports. RFK doesn’t have nearly that level of history in terms of national scope. And that was the charm of having games in Fenway and Wrigley, not their physical plant. Without that, RFK brings almost nothing to the table to sell the game nationally.

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by ThePeerless on Aug 9, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anywhere but FedEx…

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by timmyv38 on Aug 9, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed totally. dont tell me they couldnt dress the old barn up for this one game. the game would bring enough money into the city to cover the costs for seat repairs (and racoon removal). the nhl would ensure that the stadium would look good on tv. i think they will hopefully learn from this years game that football stadiums are the best venues for hockey. if they are looking for iconic stadiums in dc, this is the only one. sorry to say, but they would never sell out fed ex for that game.

i’m thinking caps rangers for a little dc/ny, skins giants flair….or how about caps v dallas for a little nfl nostalgia….

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 9, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Caps/Rangers is good enough a rivalry without dragging other sports into it.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. but you know the league likes to have a story to tell. there will no doubt be plenty of steelers talk during this years wc just as there was talk about historic fenway and wrigley field in the previous games.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 9, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I definitely like the idea if the city is willing to fix up RFK to bring it there. Nats park is the nicest venue in downtown for such a thing, but I like the idea of RFK as a choice if they’re willing to fix it up.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

DC United plays at RFK and the city won’t fix it up for them even though they had the crowds for the games when Beckham played or the international soccer games, The city is not going to put out the amount of money needed to fix up RFK for one event as there are numerous issues with RFK. They really should not risk having concrete falling on someone. BTW, DC United is a tenant, the Washington Convention and Sports Authority owns and manages RFK and it is the one responsible for repairs or lack thereof.

by NovaCath on Aug 9, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine the city would be willing to put the $ into RFK that would be needed (and, frankly, they shouldn’t – D.C. has bigger fish to fry).

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have the same sense, really. It’d be cool if they did, but why should they? The question is whether they’re willing to put it in a suburb.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think all signs point to Nats Park.

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

What might be fun though is doing a Caps-Stars game at FedEx, so you’d have another classic “Washington vs. Dallas” match up. Maybe the Caps get special burgundy and gold uniforms with the Stars showing up in blue and silver?

Nah, Danny would never allow that…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 9, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would anyone really be excited for the admission from the Capitals that yes, they are a second-tier team in their home city?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I will refuse to watch the aforementioned game if they wear the colors of the respective cities’ football teams.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto. Burgundy and gold make me sick to my stomach.

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by Scott in Shaw on Aug 9, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

So quit mixing them...

 

 

 
 

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wouldn’t be the first time…

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well done.

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by Scott in Shaw on Aug 9, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the idea.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 9, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you could do the Caps / Stars storyline of the Calder Cup Final from last year, if it was happening this year.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Winter Classic is as much about the visuals as it is the hockey. Nats Park allows NBC to pull out on their opening shot from the Capitol Building to reveal the hockey rink. There’s little chance they’re going to give up that shot. FedEx allows them to pull out from Landover Mall. Capitol-Landover. If I’m NBC, I know where my vote goes.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hahahaha. Good point. I’m all for Nats Park over FedEx. NHL might want more seating, but … yeah. Besides, like I said, Ben’s Chili Bowl.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should have scrolled down before commenting. My thoughts exactly.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you ever watch skins games on TV, FedEx being in Landover never stops them from showing tons of downtown views during the national broadcasts like SNF or MNF. Sure, they wouldn’t want to pan up too much from the stadium, but no problem for them to cut to the downtown views.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 9, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but if NBC will pick up part of the tab, then why not. and if that’s what NBC wants, then that’s where the game will be.

and i wouldnt say it wouldnt be needed. the stadium hosts a soccer team that the city is unwilling to support for a new stadium, plus it can hold concerts, etc. all depends upon how much is needed to make the stadium habitable. this is not about infrastructur improvments on installing permanant video boards, etc. its about fixing seats and upgrading sound systems to make sure the place works for one day. NBC and the NHL will put lipstick on the pig to make sure she looks good on TV.

they didnt play the WC at wrigley and fenway because the stadiums were nice or comfortably for the fans. they did it for the history and story to tell. nats park has none of the history. and presuming the matchup will not be ov/crosby, then they need some additional story lines to tell.

also, nats park = 42K seats, RFK probably 50K.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 9, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wrigley and Fenway are also owned and/or actively maintained (or at least, as much as they can) by the host without the need for NBC to shell out additional revenue.

When it comes to RFK, I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to know for sure.

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 9, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

“RFK history” is local only; Fenway and Wrigley have national recognition, not to mention history that dates back to the early 20th century, not just the early 60’s (when a bunch of round concrete stadiums were built).
Nats park is better for access (Metro), location (Capitol Dome in view), and condition. And I don’t think DC, NBC or the NHL are willing to fork over the money to fix it for an additional 8000 seats (wouldn’t be surprise if they sold SRO seats at Nats park, anyway)

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by bagace on Aug 9, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with everything but condition. The location and access to RFK is much much much better than Nats Park.

by Yoshietree on Aug 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they’re going to start spending money to fix up RFK, then they might as well rebuild it.

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by oldemystix on Aug 9, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could they consider Byrd Stadium? Maryland obviously wouldn’t be using it for a bowl game. It’s reasonable large.

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by apk3000 on Aug 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’d think they would want to actually have it in DC, no?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if we’re talking about FedEx because of the disadvantages of Nats Park, why not go to the closer college stadium?

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by apk3000 on Aug 9, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Nats Park, personally.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, that brings up that it can’t be at the RFK dump because at the moment they’ve got a bowl game there.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the moment there’ll be a bowl game there… I think once United leaves RFK, that game moves either to Byrd Stadium, FedEx or Nats Park.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 9, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Byrd Stadium isn’t the greatest, but it is fairly small, so the view would be a lot better than sitting in the nose bleed seats at FedEx. Parking and leaving the stadium can be a PITA but the same problem exists with FedEx. No problem shutting down the campus for the game because it’s a holiday. Maybe Maryland could use some cash to make up for what their bad football team isn’t earning. The stadium seats 54,000. Probably a better location than RFK.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 9, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could have it at the airport. The fans could watch from the terminals and air planes on the tarmac. Recreate the Verizon Wireless commercial.

National has a lot of history that can be featured in tv spots.

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by oldemystix on Aug 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure the FAA and various Homeland Security Organizations would love that idea.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

would they even notice? (I once got a sizable pocketknife through carry-on security at National right after Christmas. Didn’t realize my “lost” knife was in the bag when I grabbed it out of the closet and packed for the trip.)

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Couturier of the Drummondville Voltigeurs, tabbed as a potential first overall draft pick next June, did not disappoint, using his six-foot-three frame to battle for pucks and feed his linemates as well as scoring a goal. Comparisons to Pittsburgh’s Jordan Staal did not look far off the mark.

Jordan Staal is a fine player (and better than most people realize; not good enough to take over Toews and Backstrom if you could redo the draft, but would have been a dandy 4th overall pick), but it’s a pretty weak draft if a Jordan Staal clone is going #1 overall. If this is the North American skater with the best shot at first, Adam Larssen (Swedes, please help me out with the spelling) has to be the presumptive best talent in the draft, right? Playing and playing well as a D in the SEL from age 16? You’d better be Ovechkin or Crosby level special to merit going before that guy.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

You almost got it right, it’s Adam Larsson and yeah I think it’s fair to say that he is viewed as the most talented player in the draft.
ISS top five at the moment: 1. Sean Couturier 2. Adam Larsson 3. Victor Rask (SWE) 4. David Musil (Czech) 5.Seth Ambroz (USA).

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 9, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It sounds like his size is probably the main comparison.

The Q’s obviously a lot different than the OHL, but Coutrier led the league in points as a 17 year old, with 96 (and 41 goals) in 68 games. To me that shows more skill and scoring touch than anything Staal had.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 9, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess, but it’s hard to project that out. Looking at the scoring totals, either there’s a lot less talent coming through the Q or it’s getting more defensive; the leading scorers have dropped from ~160 points in a 60-ish game season to ~100 points in the same number of games. Crosby and Radulov absolutely tore that league apart in their final seasons there, but obviously one was better than the other.

My understanding was that Staal’s draft position was based on his domination at the WJC, playing against the other top prospects. If Coutrier does the same, I could see it cementing the #1 spot, but I find myself very hard-pressed to pass on a player that’s been playing well against men in a very difficult position since he was 16 years old.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding was that Staal’s draft position was based on his domination at the WJC, playing against the other top prospects

Jordan Staal was never a part of any Canadian U-20 teams. You may be confusing him with Marc, who starred in 2006 and 2007, obviously in a defensive role. Easy to do with all of them, I know.

Staal’s draft position was boosted by that he was 6’4, 220 pounds at the age of 18 years old and obviously good enough to step right into the NHL and score 29 goals. He was billed as a two-way and responsible player, not with the pure offensive ceilings of Kessel or Backstrom. And to be honest, that his brother was considered probably the premier young forward of that day could not have hurt Jordan’s stock.

Maybe you’d like this guy, huh?

(Full disclosure: I’ve never even heard of this Larsson kid until this thread, so it’d be ridiculous to suggest he’s going to be a bust.) And didn’t Hedman play in the SEL very young? He had his struggles adjusting to the NHL, though it’s just as ridiculous to say at this point he wasn’t worthy of where he was picked.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, there’s a pretty significant difference between a guy like that and a guy with #1 overall level talent, but I take your point.

Hedman actually played a lot of minutes this season and acquitted himself pretty well; I expect him to take a significant step forward this year with the personnel Yzerman is putting around him.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Larsson played in last years WJC so if you watched Sweden in that tournament you have seen him. If not you get a new chance this year. I doubt he will be available for the WJC the year after that though he will probably play in the nhl by then he’s that good.
On the youngest-player-in-the-SEL-list are Victor Hedman at nine and Adam Larsson at ten. They have had pretty similar careers in the SEL and in the national team. Larsson been a bit more productive if you look at point production and have a better hockey sense then Hedman IMO.
If I had to guess right now which of them will have the better career my money would be on Larsson.

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another point in favor of Willie Mitchell: not only would he take a top-4 role on the Caps blueline and thereby push at least three players down a slot on the depth chart to easier competition, but he’d immediately take over the role of top PK defender and push all of the defense down a slot in an area of glaring weakness. The more I think about signing Mitchell, the more I like it.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Aside from the possible health issue, there really is no logical argument against Mitchell.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking in the past...

I read this on Puck Daddy and scratched my head in wonderment…

It was reported on Friday that there’s interest from Mitchell and the Red Wings about the 33-year-old defenseman joining the team, save for two issues that Ansar Khan of MLive.com spelled out on Sunday:

    How much can Mitchell command? That’s tricky, since he was shelved for the season with a concussion in mid-January. He earned $3.5 million last season in Vancouver and probably is seeking more than the Red Wings can afford under the salary cap, even if it’s $2 million a season.

    And consider this, too: In Detroit, Mitchell would have no chance of cracking the top four (Nicklas Lidstrom(notes), Brian Rafalski(notes), Brad Stuart(notes), Niklas Kronwall(notes)) this season, barring an injury. Would he want to go somewhere knowing he’s cemented as the No. 5 or No. 6 defenseman and won’t get as much playing time? It’s doubtful.

Unless, of course, he’s one of those nutty players that actually puts winning ahead of ice time, at least for a season (emphasis added).

Is Detroit closer to winning a Stanley Cup, right now, than the Caps? Frankly, I don’t see it. Detroit is a formidable club, but they aren’t a part of any Stanley Cup conversation that doesn’t include the Caps as well. At least from my chair.

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by ThePeerless on Aug 9, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I keep thinking, too. Yes, it’s Detroit, so people will always kind of consider them contenders…but they weren’t really a contender last year, either, and I don’t see how they’ve improved over that. They signed a guy past his prime in Modano and that’s about it. And if they want to sign Mitchell they’ll have to drop some salary.

Whatever. Wysh is smoking something good if he thinks the Wings offer a better shot at the Cup than the Caps, Sharks or even Canucks.

by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for posting this, Peerless, agree with both you and Becca. I read the PD article this weekend and was astonished. As if the Chief from A to Z was being channeled.

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by cuqui on Aug 9, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

s Detroit closer to winning a Stanley Cup, right now, than the Caps? Frankly, I don’t see it. Detroit is a formidable club, but they aren’t a part of any Stanley Cup conversation that doesn’t include the Caps as well. At least from my chair.

Nor Vancouver, who looks like the other contender for Mitchell’s services. Detroit was unbelievably dominant from the end of the lockout to the ’09 season, a contender last season (they lost a lot of games to injuries in the top of the lineup) and likely a contender again this season. After that, they drop off significantly, so says I. But that period of being the clear-cut best team in the league colors views of the present squad, methinks.

Further, I think that Puck Daddy is significantly overrating Brad Stuart; I certainly don’t see him as clearly better than Willie Mitchell, especially on the PK or for the tough zone starts.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of the teams most often mentioned with respect to Mitchell, he is likely to get the most PT with the Caps, and they might have the best team as well.

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by ThePeerless on Aug 9, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing about the Caps is that he’d be dragging his family across a continent and moving to the EC as well, which is a style change.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that also applies to Detroit and given the choice of metro areas, I know which one I’m picking.

All that said, I have no idea what Mitchell does or does not value in these contract considerations. If he wants playing time, as Peerless points out, he probably gets the most with the Caps. If he wants money, the Caps have the most space to sign him. If he wants to play for a contender, any of those teams will work. If he wants to stay on the west coast, well, nothing to be done about that one.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

DET is in the Western Conference. Of the teams mentioned, the only one in the EC is the Caps.

I’m not saying I disagree with you – I don’t. I think the Caps can provide anything a player in that salary range could want, except the ability to stay on the West Coast. I’m just saying he might not want to move to the other side of North America.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a guy his age (this was big in Arnott’s NTC waiving), the travel is much, much better as a Cap than Canuck or Shark.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Detroit is a helluva lot closer to the East Coast than it is to the West.

by Yoshietree on Aug 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, agreed, but it’s still technically the Western Conference. The Caps would be a significant style change to get used to EC play. That’s my only point.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. I think he would be getting lots of PT with the Sharks also or at least the guys over at FtF seem to think so, particularly if Boyle’s defensive play keeps getting worse.

As I’ve tried to point out in this article, Boyle isn’t better the more minutes he plays. Scoring remains flat, and his defensive play takes a nose dive. With Evgeni Nabokov out and a tandem of Thomas Greiss and Antero Niittymaki in, the defense is going to be much more important that it has been in years past. Doug Wilson needs to bring in someone who can alleviate the pressure on Boyle, and in turn improve Boyle’s defensive play and efficiency.

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by CapsFan2020 on Aug 9, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right now, Detroit is at best the 2nd best team in the Central Division. There are scenarios where I can see them 4th. They won’t be as good as last year, and Nashville/St. Louis are better than 09/10.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. B seems pretty well convinced Mitchell is going to Detroit and I just keep asking “Why? and with what caps space?” This seems to be some sort of self-feeding delusion by Wings fans that some bloggers have mis-read as “Willie Mitchell is likely to go to Detroit.” My money is San Jose or the Caps.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That line about winning v. ice time also gave me pause. I’m inclined, though, to agree with PD that the Caps take a pass here. What say you?

by mechanicsville on Aug 9, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if they take a pass, it won’t be because they want to give the kids a shot. They’ll get a shot whether we bring in another defenseman or not, because the fact remains that the Caps have 6 NHL-caliber D and one AHL caliber D even with the kids. No need to give them 25 minutes a night if there’s a better option out there.

My guess is that any passing the Caps do would be money- and/or term-related. I will say it always makes me wary when I hear the Caps are involved in these negotiations becauses sometimes it seems like it’s only the ones we don’t hear about that actually happen.

by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amen to your last point. Who was the last FA that we were “supposed” to sign that we actually signed? Theo? Kozlov? (man my memory sucks)

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by renstar on Aug 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember it being Nylander.

by Wheeler on Aug 9, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably, and only because of the hoopla that surrounded it. We heard about talks only because it was basically done, there was just a matter of whether Nylander’s agent knew what the hell was going on.

It’s tricky, because a lot of GMGM’s UFA signings have come July 1 so there’s not a ton of time to discuss what teams are talking to whom. Theo and Kozlov were pretty early, as was Poti and Knuble. Morrison was very under-the-radar but he also wasn’t a “big” name, which could have helped keep it quiet.

Mitchell’s pretty much the last “big” name left – it’d be tough to keep it quiet, especially if his agent wants to drum up the price as others have pointed out. My guess? The Caps are talking to him, no clue how seriously – if the agent wants to raise the price by mentioning the teams involved he’s not going to throw a name out there that’s not in the mix. Too easily refuted if a GM wants to strike it down.

by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

6 NHL-caliber D

And this gives Erskine the benefit of the doubt.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other little nugget that struck me from the article:

“a base of $1 or $1.5 million on a one-year deal plus bonuses,

That’s a more reasonable reflection of the potential downside of Mitchell than the 2 – 2.5M that went around last week. If he gets another concussion, he’s pretty much done.

It also brings the Sharks and the Red Wings further on to the playing field, of course.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect the whole Mitchell thing is a big game of chicken between a few teams and Mitchell. Each knows that as training camp gets closer, his asking price goes down. Yeah, he may want $3M now, but come September 1, $2.25M looks a whole lot better than $0.

The problem is that big injury he had. It was a rough one. The thing is that if he comes back and ends up getting another long term injury, there’s no cap hit, but the money still comes from somewhere. Good luck with getting insurance for Mitchell for head injuries…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 9, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest winner is Willie Mitchell, who all of a sudden finds himself the talk of Free Agency at the moment, and playing off 4 teams against each other for his services.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there much in the way of evidence that the Caps are interested in him or talking to him?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would you expect any from this Caps’ front office?

Anyway, I think the latest is that Mitchell’s agent tweeted that the Canucks and three other teams are in the running, and Sportsnet.ca ran a piece naming the Sharks, Wings, and Caps as the other three teams. See this. Where did sportsnet.ca pull the name “Capitals” out of? Well, they don’t say. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Mitchell’s agent said the word “Capitals” to the reporter. Now, did he do that just to raise the value? Who knows.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. The more teams bidding, the more money he can make, but the later it gets, the less money he makes…

It could get interesting.

I would love to see Mitchell on the Caps, if only for the fact that Mitchell is one defenseman that gives Alex fits when he plays against him…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 9, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any of you Twitter geniuses know how to track down the first usage of #needsmorebradley?

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by J.P. on Aug 9, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Hoping the last is in the near future!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because then we’d have enough Bradley, get it?

Or because it’s getting annoyingly overused, you make the call.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I’ve been able to figure out so far is that it goes further back than January, which…is stunning. Who knew this thing had such legs?

by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Certianly Matt Bradley did.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 9, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nov 20, 2009 is my best guess based on the earliest and frequentest rink usage.

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by Ovechwin on Aug 9, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds about right. I’m seeing November 19, but yeah, definitely sometime around then.

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by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope petsmart doesn’t read that.

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by Ovechwin on Aug 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Assume that everything you put online will be viewed by the general public.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was joking. I don’t care if they do.

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by Ovechwin on Aug 9, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really have no interest in keeping this job, but can’t quit for fear of being kicked out.

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by Ovechwin on Aug 9, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re part time, right? Can’t you find another job on your off days and then arrange it so that you switch jobs with no unemployment time in between?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m looking, sorta.

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by Ovechwin on Aug 9, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, what a terrible omission from

the Flames Mt. Rushmore: The face of their franchise for years and years, and the man who was first to hoist their only cup — Lanny McDonald. The reason for the omission appears right in the article:

no iteration of the team has been as dominant as those of the mid-to-late 1980s (a very depressing fact for someone born in 1990 such as myself).

but it’s still shocking. For a hockey fan in the Prince of Wales Conference in 1989, there was one face you associated with Calgary — McDonald’s. Sure you knew about their other stars, especially Al McInnis, but McDonald is the guy who had put them on the map and who you always noticed immediately when he took the ice, kind of like the way the eye was drawn to Rod Langway and his bare head.

And besides, this is the face they could have put on their Rushmore:


 

 
How can you leave an icon like that off the franchise monument?

(Please note — JP has asked us to hold off on discussing the Caps Rushmore — he has something in mind)

 

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I had to agree. How do you not put Lanny McDonald on there?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s unbelievable. I was born in 1987 but I still associate McDonald with the Flames more than any other player. Terrible omission.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, several of the Mt. Puckmores have had some glaring omissions. I like the series and premise, though.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same. The nature of the series is such that there’s never going to be a consensus, not matter what team is being discussed.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

For most teams thats true, but Atlanta, Columbus, Minnesota, and Nashville should all be easily agreed upon.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, even for franchises that haven’t been around long, there’s not going to be consensus. Take Columbus for example. After Rick Nash, I don’t think it’s clear-cut who the remaining three should be.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

True. But thats because Columbus sucks.

I’ll amend that to say Minnesota’s and Nashville’s are easy.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hamhuis, Radulov, Vokoun, and Timmonen?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I lol’d

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, you’re 1-4!

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

What would the actual four be? Keeping in mind that I’m only slightly more familiar with Nashville than I used to be, thanks to talking hockey with you. Vokoun, Weber, Suter, maybe Sullivan?

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trotz, Poile, Weber, Vokoun.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot about the front office. Good call.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I thought on it for a while, then realized that the fact is no one has done more for Predators hockey than those four individuals. And thats what the series is about. Runners-up would be Tootoo and Kariya.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Legwand?!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good call; I’d have him before Kariya and after Tootoo.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Martin Erat?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s he?

/still bitter

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forsberg?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kariya?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take your word for it, since I don’t think there’s a franchise I’m less familiar with than Minnesota.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 9, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Minnesota get to claim past North Star players? It doesn’t seem fair otherwise to the fans. I was in 8th grade there when the owner stole the team away and it’s still a bitter memory all these years later. I bet Norm Green is still hated today, almost 20 years later.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 9, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would think the Dallas people get to claim them, since Minnesota is an entire new franchise.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

sounds similar to the conversation this week about the Nats and which franchise’s history is really theirs and how far they should go in embracing the Expos at the expenses of the original Nationals/Senators.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Original Senators (and their history) are now with the Minnesota Twins, and the Original Famous Original Senators (and their history) are now the Texas Rangers. The Nats have the honor/burden of being the satellite Expos.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It just seems awkward to claim the Expo’s past, although I do think their players should be honored somewhere. It would just seem a lot more natural to the city to claim the Senators, and same for Minnesota to claim the North Stars. Now that I think more about this, what about the Baltimore Colts? Obviously things don’t work out so nicely for sports fans everywhere. In light of that, you could make two Mount Puckmores, one playing by the rules, and one the fans would really want.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 9, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

the Colts have that whole drama about the most famous Baltimore Colt refusing to have anything to do with the franchise once it relocated. They took the history with them, but a broken spirit.

maybe we should take this OT?

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

To bring it back On T, I dont think the Wild get the Stars history. In fact, such things rarely happen. the only case I can think of is the Cleveland Browns, because when the Browns left for Baltimore, they agreed to leave the Browns and the “Browns history” in Cleveland for the new expansion “Browns” (funny how fast that happened…)

I don’t recall such an arrangement for the (North )Stars/Wild. And it definitely did not occur for the Colts.

Of course this is all the official record books. For the Mt. Puckmoore, why not let them have their city’s history.

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by renstar on Aug 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

And with Minnesota hockey, let’s call it what it is. The Wild are a boring team. Always have been. Modano’s North Stars are still easier for me to call to mind than the current Wild team.

Who even remembers the Atlanta Flames, or the Colorado Rockies, or the Golden State Seals? I think right now, this is a problem unique to Minnesota. No other team is overshadowed by the memories of another team that played in the same city.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I know why no one remembers that Atlanta Flames, or the Colorado Rockies, or the Golden State Seals. Dino didn’t play for them.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Colts took all their history to Indianapolis. Mr. Modell left all of Cleveland’s stuff in Cleveland for the New Browns. The current Ravens have no affiliation to either franchise, even though it hasn’t stopped some of those knuckleheads from putting a 19 and “Unitas” on a Ravens jersey, which should be a crime.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

you’re talking about people who voluntarily wear purple camo. I am not surprised by anything they do. That said, Ravens stadium is 50 times better than FedEx.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 9, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Purple Camo People and the Skinzers are pretty much the same people, i.e People I am Interested in Continually Avoiding.

Never been to either stadium. Don’t plan on ever going to them.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to a Redskins game once when I was a bigger fan, and that was the worst sporting event experience I had ever encountered. I felt like a sardine, and that I wasn’t important. Not to mention I was surrounded by tools. Needless to say, I’m not going back.

by Capcrazy77 on Aug 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had enough “fun” incidents at Terps games where I decided going to football games live isn’t for me.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s unfortunate. If you ever want to give live football one last chance, checkout a Navy game. I went once and I had a great time there. That being said, I’d always rather go to a baseball or hockey game.

by Capcrazy77 on Aug 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

the RFK experience >>> Fedex.

Fedex just blows…so disappointing on every level. At RFK, sure it was a dump, but it was a rockin dump you could actually get to without giving up your first born.

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by bigonetimer on Aug 9, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought it was dumb too. I wouldn’t have put Fletcher on there, especially with how badly he fleeced them in the Gilmour deal.

I’m still not comprehending Jack Edwards’ choice of Cam Neely over Phil Esposito though.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still not comprehending Jack Edwards’ choice of Cam Neely over Phil Esposito though.

…That floors me. You’ve gotta be freakin’ kiddin’.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially when his reasoning was that Espo “wasn’t incredible enough for long enough”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And even funnier that Esposito just got his face on a different Puckmore.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa’s Mount Puckmore is good (up now on PD)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read the Fleischamnn-Bradley piece which, in turn, linked to another piece that tried to shed a pretty negative light on Backstrom:

http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3400

I assume that article has already been discussed since it was written a few months ago but my impression was that there had to be some serious holes in the methodology to draw those conclusions.

by hardcap on Aug 9, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

The biggest hole in the methodology is small sample size and score effects; Backstrom hasn’t spent much time away from AO at even strength and when he did, it was a lot of games against weak opponents that the Caps put away early, then sat back and got outshot.

Keep in mind that Corsi in this sense is only one measure; a counting stat about shot attempts directed for and against, like +/-. It’s used as a proxy for puck possession, but only has an r-value of about .5 when plotted against accumulating standings points or wins. The takeaway is that Ovechkin is really, really good and that everyone who plays with him sees a significant increase in their Corsi measurement; when AO is on the ice, the puck is generally headed in the right direction. It’s agnostic about the quality of the chances for and against, quality of competition, and zone start (how often you started in the O-zone versus the D-Zone).

The general point of the article (and the methodology behind it) are actually pretty sound in my opinion; mainly that by counting stats, Backstrom was likely to receive a contract in excess of what he was actually worth to the team because of how often he played with Ovechkin. Given that, it makes sense to explore arbitrage options on the trade market, since you don’t want to pay for AO’s production twice (or however many times over). Since he signed a very reasonable deal for a longer term than I’d dared hope for, the point is moot.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest hole in the methodology is small sample size and score effects; Backstrom hasn’t spent much time away from AO at even strength and when he did, it was a lot of games against weak opponents that the Caps put away early, then sat back and got outshot.

And when they do play in the same game, most of Backstrom’s ES time away from Ovechkin comes at the end of penalty kills.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it sounds reasonable. I’ve been unable to get the timeonice.com scripts to cooperate with me, otherwise I’d have done my own analysis of the players long before this, a la the RMNB post with Brads today.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I did no research. I should have said “much of” instead of “most of” — I don’t actually know if it’s more than 50%

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have refreshed the thread because you explained it much better. I knew it was a flawed and small sample size he used but I don’t have the math skill to break down that kind of analysis.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Aug 9, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Indeed it was discussed in detail at the time and like you I found that piece later. But it was penned to show why the Caps shouldn’t pay Nicky upwards of 8 and that he would be more valuable as trade bait if so. That site lost interest in the topic once Nicky signed for less and I lost interest in it when they thought it would be easy for us to find another elite center. I don’t think it’s particularly surprising that Ovi is the dominent one of that pair but I think he under valued Nicky.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Aug 9, 2010 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think he may have undervalued Nick a smidge, but I think the point of the article was largely accurate; AO is a preeminent talent and that other players benefit more from playing with him than he benefits from playing with them. As such, there’s some inflation in Nick’s numbers, even the advanced ones, because of how much time he gets on the ice with AO.

I don’t think I value Backis as much as other folks do; I think he’s an all-star caliber center, but barring a really lucky season he’s not going to collect a Hart or Ross. Or rather I should say; I don’t value him as much next year as most folks. His contract makes him a lot more valuable because he is as good as he is and he’s cost-certain for slightly under market value now. That market value is almost certain to rise over the course of his contract and he’s been extremely durable during his career.

In that comparison, his only real competition is Richards, who’s a defensive stud and locked in even cheaper than Nick. I’d rather have Datsyuk, Crosby, Zetterberg or possibly Toews for next year; Crosby has even more offensive ability than Nick, while Dats, Toews and Z are utterly extraordinary in their two-way games. The last three take on the other team’s best competition on a nightly basis and generally leave it in the dust head-to-head, so while their offensive numbers aren’t jaw-dropping, they’re incredibly effective players. Really though, I’m splitting hairs with the last three; the only guy I think is head-and-shoulders better than Backstrom is Crosby.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 9, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely fall in the adulation of Mean Lars camp but I absolutely agree with you that Crosby’s better. He and Ovi are in a league of their own. I love watching the others you named too, especially Toews for me—so Nicky is hobnobbing in some rarified air in that group. (I was surprised you left Malkin off your list).

I think the problem I had with the piece was not the central premise that Nicky should’t be getting Crosby and Ovi kinds of dollars (I was in agreement), but rather he seemed to think that Nicky could be replaced with comparable talent without too much trouble. (He wrote a followup piece mentioning some names IIRC because I recall not being very impressed with his trade names. I think that’s when I decided he was undervaluing Nicky.

I was fascinated by the WOWY analysis and wished he had done Crosby’s as he had promised at the end. I have no doubt that Crosby like Ovi are “driving the bus” for their respective teams.

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"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Aug 9, 2010 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kovalchuk

Since the arbitrator’s decision is coming down today, anyone care to guess how he’ll rule? My prediction is he’ll split the baby and say both sides have merit and send the Devils and the league back to hammer out a new agreement that eliminates a few years of the contract.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

That would be deciding in the league’s favor, then, no? Doesn’t it have to be an either/or decision, not one that lets Jersey retain him with exclusive negotiation rights?

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I predict NHL wins.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the NHLPA will win.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to agree, but I do :(

by mch on Aug 9, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to Semin’s $100m, 100 year contract.

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by sydtron on Aug 9, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does that come with or without a luggage cart he can drive around?

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 9, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re chipping in for the cost of recharging it. Helps bring the cap hit down to a cool $350k a year.

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by sydtron on Aug 9, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it should, but I’m not confident that it will.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too. And I’m glad I’m not the only one.

There are too many things that just stick out in that contract as being prima facie unreasonable if they’re not intended to circumvent the salary cap.

The six-year tail at the end that has Ilya Kovalchuk making half-a-million dollars a year. Thecontract goes until he’s forty-four. The fact that only one forward has played in the NHL over the age of forty-two. The astronomical term of the thing. The fact that none of the other deals approved by the NHL (Luongo, Hossa, Zetterberg) pay less than a million a year at the end. The fact that there’s no NMC in those final six years, which means that even if he wants to play those tail years, there’s no way Kovalchuk will be playing them in a Devils’ sweater (he’ll either be playing in the minors, or he’ll retire and play in Russia for way more money).

The NHLPA’s argument was likely something along the lines of “it’s not disallowed, so it must be allowed,” that the Luongo/Hossa/Zetterberg contracts also tail off at the end and were allowed, and that this was a freely-negotiated contract. None of that seems persuasive to me because of the above facts, and the CBA gives the NHL broad leeway in determining what constitutes “circumvention.”

I would love to have a transcript of the arbitration hearing, though.

by Wheeler on Aug 9, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

My reasoning is simple:
 

  • there has to be a line somewhere
  • this is the worst contract we’ve seen so far
  • so there’s no reason not to draw the line right here.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 9, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I’m with you.

And I think the NHL wins this round.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has to or it becomes a complete farce and every team that locks up talent now before the next CBA will have a massive edge.

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by sydtron on Aug 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The next CBA isn’t going to be so much labor vs management, it’s going to be owners against each other.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to imagine that they’ll say the last 2 years of the contract have to come off. It’s still the most outrageous contract in the league, but it isn’t inconceivable that he’ll be playing at 40.

That still leaves the contracts that clearly circumvent the spirit of the CBA but the NHL can at least say they have their eye on the problem.

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by sydtron on Aug 9, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I think the contract will stand.

by jaytown99 on Aug 9, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

In a two-on-two overtime scheme, who would you rather?

Discuss here.

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by EmilyB on Aug 9, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

guess they’re not signing Willie Mitchell.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess not.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So basically, Mitchell is down to SJ, the Caps and Vancouver. Vancouver’s got 8 defenseman (nine if you include Sami Salo) and is $2.6 million over the cap but with Salo’s LTIR they’ll be $900,000 under. I just can’t see them as a player in the Mitchell negotiations. That leaves SJ who has 7 defenseman and 21 players signed and about $3 million in cap space. Mitchell is doable, but it has to be an incentive-laden contract to leave them with some cap space. The Caps still have to be in the best position with only five legit top-six defensemen and $5.3 million in cap space.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll end up going to Atlanta or something.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

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“There’s a Mr. Yzerman on line 1…”

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by EmilyB on Aug 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not? They sign everyone else.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Mr. Yzerman won’t be calling a certain wingah.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

is their average age 30 yet?

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 9, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

is their average age 3040 yet?

But seriously, their avg Age was listed on CapGeek as 30.59 without Salei, who is 35 (and will be 36 in November)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interestingly enough, Ruslan Salei was the 9th pick overall in the 1996 draft, aka The Worst Draft in the History of the Universe

Look at that top 10

1 Chris Phillips Defence Canada Ottawa Senators Prince Albert Raiders (WHL)
2 Andrei Zyuzin Defence Russia San Jose Sharks Salavat Yulaev Ufa (Russia)
3 Jean-Pierre Dumont Right Wing Canada New York Islanders Val-d’Or Foreurs (QMJHL)
4 Alexandre Volchkov Right Wing Russia Washington Capitals Barrie Colts (OHL)
5 Ric Jackman Defence Canada Dallas Stars Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL)
6 Boyd Devereaux Centre Canada Edmonton Oilers Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
7 Erik Rasmussen Centre United States Buffalo Sabres Minnesota Golden Gophers (NCAA)
8 Johnathan Aitken Defence Canada Boston Bruins Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL)
9 Ruslan Salei Defence Belarus Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Las Vegas Thunder (IHL)
10 Lance Ward Defence Canada New Jersey Devils Red Deer Rebels (WHL)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

JP Dumont was a 3rd overall pick? I think I just threw up a little.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 1999 Draft is pretty bad too:

1 Patrik Stefan (Centre) Czech Republic Atlanta Thrashers Long Beach Ice Dogs (IHL)
2 Daniel Sedin (Left Wing) Sweden Vancouver Canucks MoDo Hockey (Sweden)
3 Henrik Sedin (Centre) Sweden Vancouver Canucks MoDo Hockey (Sweden)
4 Pavel Brendl (Right Wing) Czech Republic New York Rangers
from Chicago
via Tampa Bay Lightning via Vancouver Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
5 Tim Connolly (Centre) United States New York Islanders Erie Otters (OHL)
6 Brian Finley (Goaltender) Canada Nashville Predators Barrie Colts (OHL)
7 Kris Beech (Centre) Canada Washington Capitals Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
8 Taylor Pyatt (Left Wing) Canada New York Islanders Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
9 Jamie Lundmark (Centre) Canada New York Rangers Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
10 Branislav Mezei (Defence) Slovakia New York Islanders
from Montreal Belleville Bulls (OHL)

…only 16 out of 28 first round picks in 1999 have played 82 NHL games, while the same statistic applies to 23 out of 27 players in 1998 and 21 out of 30 players in 2000

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It appears that Vancouver did well in that draft. The only people I ever heard of were the Sedins and Kris Beech.

BTW, what the Vancouver trade to get 2 back to back picks in the draft.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 9, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Found This in RMNB

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by STLSpidey on Aug 9, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh the Volchinator. I love that story so much.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just read that on Wikipedia. Hysterical.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 9, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Vogs, Volchkov holds this dubious distinction:
From 1969 to 2007, no top five selection has played fewer NHL games.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas Hickey went 4th in 2007 and hasn’t played an NHL game yet, although I am very certain that will change in the very near future.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Acxtually, I think Vogs did say with the exception of Hickey. I just forgot to include him.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s up to 30.78 (although I don’t know where to find that on capgeek, I had to do the math myself…which means it could be wrong because I’m not smrt).

by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Question of the Day is up, and it’s a two-part question with another two questions baked right in!

by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh. Didn’t see this one coming. Riley Cote calls it a career and goes to coach for the Phantoms.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

well, that’s one way to deal with a salary cap mess.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 9, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t actually do that much for their cap – he’s only $550K against it.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda makes you wonder if he got punched in the head one time too many or something… boy’s what, 28 years old?

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by IRockTheRed on Aug 9, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just didn’t want to have to fight the Caps new bad boy four times this season.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess Steve Ott’s line almost came true..

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Construction, coaching the Phantoms.. more or less the same.

If Craig Berube can do it..

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. If I’m Stortini, I respond with, “Hey, very good! I didn’t know you could read.”

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Ott does have a subtle side.

In a recent game against the Oilers, rookie Zack Stortini came into the faceoff circle and Ott pulled Stortini’s shoulder pad forward to get a better view of the name on the back of the jersey.
 

“I was just trying to find out who he was,” Ott joked.

I love that gimmick so, so much.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s hard to hate a clever asshole.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, they have him locked up for 4 and 12 in Dallas. Would love to have him here.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 9, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, the appropriate response to that stunt is “Hey, you can read! I’m impressed.”

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No matter how much he may not really deserve it, there’s something cool about taking the Stanley Cup to the Eiffel Tower.

Warning, I still can’t get the link to open in a new window. http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=48&id=74454

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude got 26 wins.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Aug 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Cristobal Huet wearing a Red Sox hat?

There’s a joke about him not even wearing a ballcap on the bench in here somewhere.

by Wheeler on Aug 9, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven’t you heard? The French love the Red Sox almost as much as they love Jerry Lewis.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just heard the first rumor that NHL wins the arbitration (per Sports Business Journal). We’ll see.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Saw the same, searching for confirmation.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw it, too. That could mean anything, though.

In the end, either decision still likely results in Kovy remaining a Devil.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably the only real effect is a greater cap hit for the Devils to absorb, but every little bit helps.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care that he stays in NJ. I just wanted the contract voided. Bigger cap hit needed to hit the dollars he wants, more trouble for NJ to get under the cap.

And the fines will be entertaining. I hope.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hooray! If true.

The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Aug 9, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

@RealKyper
Hearing the grievance denied.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who filed the grievance? NJD after it was rejected?

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by STLSpidey on Aug 9, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

woooooooow
Kovalchuk remains UFA. Confirmed by sources.

Nick K ^

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Becca officially annoyed by the Summer of Kovalchuk. Confirmed by sources.

by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Craig Custance just confirmed that Kovalchuk is now a UFA.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we get to start this all over again.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 9, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think the odds of a one-year deal somewhere just went up astronomically.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah. NJD just restructure, I bet.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. He wants to be in NJ, and a one year deal for big money kills the cap. Do you think he’d take $6 mil for one year? I don’t.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nor should he. Kovalchuk > Semin.

Sometimes, you really just want to hit a b**ch.

by dinasaur on Aug 9, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t thinking about relative worth to any other player at all. Was working on the Hossa in Detroit model. But even he signed for $7 million, wasn’t it?

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

KHL!!!!1

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a hockey fan I hope he ends up with the Kings. As a Yotes fan, not so much.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 9, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d prefer he stay East.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya. I prefer he goes somewhere where he can’t do too muchy damage to either team I pull for. I vote C-bus. Don’t worry Preds fans, even Kovy can’t turn that mess around.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 9, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll find Nick Lidstrom, Brian Rafalski, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Shea Weber, and Ryan Suter to be different ballgames entirely from Jordan Leopold and Andy Sutton, I think.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 9, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Full of win.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So this is why McPhee was saving cap space. Send Flash to NJ. Sign Kovy to a one-year $7.5 million contract and outscore everyone. We don’t need no stinkin’ defense.

by b.orr4 on Aug 9, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather not, honestly. Like we need another high-scoring wingah that doesn’t play defense.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was so full of snark, how could you miss it?

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might have had something to do with coming in from workout :)

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by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the NHL

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

InLouWeTrust is a rich source of entertainment at the moment, fyi…

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m glad I’m not the only one following it.

The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Aug 9, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Firmly resisting the urge to post something like “”http://3.bp.blogspot.com/cayrRZmxUJ8/SO5m4NLUuI/AAAAAAAABLw/cW5dOxGUFD8/s400/sucker.gif" target="new">NHL Contradicts Reports on Kovy Ruling, Contract Upheld".

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

trying again

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 9, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing the folks over at Jewels in the Crown are having a field day.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 9, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Devils fans take the crown of the Worst “It’s us against the league!” Fans in the NHL. By a wide margin as judging by how they’ve reacted to this.

The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Aug 9, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

But…but…I liked having that crown! It was so shiny :( Stupid Devils fans.

by Becca H on Aug 9, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they have a valid point. The Hossa contract also clearly circumvents the cap. Obviously, the Kovalchuk deal does so to a greater extent, but there’s nothing to show why the league drew the line here.

That said, while I think the decision is unfair to an extent, it’s still the best decision for the future of the NHL.

My guess is that Kovalchuk resigns for the same deal with the last two years cut off.

Waiting 'til next year.

by wickedwitch on Aug 9, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. One can argue that it should have been drawn sooner, but there’s nothing to be done about that now. The past is the past. The only thing the NHL can do is cut this beast off at the knees, and that means that some team is going to feel put upon.

Not to mention that Kovalchuk’s contract was the most egregious one to date.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

by gotsparkly on Aug 9, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that not only do they need to cut off the last two years, they’re going to need to smooth out the payments. He’s going to have to forgo the $11.5 million years and allocate some of that to the back end, or I’d bet the league spikes it again. And wins. He can have either a $100 million contract or he can have a year or two when he’s the highest paid player in the league. I’m doubting he can get both. And the $100 million may be questionable completely. Should have signed in Atlanta when he had the chance.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 9, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Red Wings fans have retired that trophy.

The ice will show everything.

by cuqui on Aug 9, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN just rated Al Iafrate as having the 5th worst hair in the history of sports

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Aug 9, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

only John Buccigross, Barry Melrose, Chris Berman, and Scott Van Pelt worse….

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Aug 9, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

RE: Kovalchuk

I’m pleased with the ruling. I don’t wish any player bad luck, but that contract was beyond stupid. The NHL needs to come up with more rules that can’t be circumvented by a bunch of “smart” lawyers, who represent divergent interests for both parties.
Our deal for Backstrom should prove to be the steal of the year, no doubt.

Get Mitchell or make a trade for a vet D-man and I think our youngsters will work their way forward and battle for the #2 and #3 center position.

Belanger isn’t the answer for #2 – he’s a good #3 but not a mega-year deal. How much better is Belanger than Pinnizotto or Beagle? Those guys deserve a good chance.

I say MattyP and Mackan battle it out with Flash and 2 of those 3 players will be your #2 and #3 centers for next year. I’m picking Flash as #2 with Mackan #3 - MattyP goes back to Chocolate Land and stands ready for callup duty.

by Dougeb on Aug 9, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

How much better is Belanger than Pinnizotto or Beagle?

A lot.

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by J.P. on Aug 10, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now, Joudrey…

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 10, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna guess that Greg Amadio’s day with the Calder cup was more fun last year.

"HISTORY DOESN’T MATTER!!! .... Who cares if it’s never been done? We aren’t those teams who failed before. We are in control of our own destiny, and we will make it happen our own way.." - A Gordon, June 2010

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