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Thursday Caps Clips

Calle Johansson looks on during a game against the Buffalo Sabres at Memorial Auditorium in Buffalo, New York, December 23, 1992. Photo: Rick Stewart/Allsport

Your savory breakfast links:

  • Is the current roster the best team the Caps have had since the lockout? [CSN Washington]
  • Vogs clues us in on part of what made Calle Johansson such a special player. [Dump 'n Chase]
  • Putting an end to the Antti Niemi clamoring with some good ol' common sense. [Peerless]
  • So firing pucks through football uprights is better or worse than the shootout to decide NHL games? [OFB]
  • The Top 10 NHLers who left for Russia includes a couple of familiar names. [The Hockey News]
  • Speaking of Russia, Alex Ovechkin is no Maria Sharapova (and reasonable minds can differ on just how Russian the latter really is), but he's doing alright for himself. [Alex Ovetjkin]
  • Eric Mestery quits hockey. Hopefully it was nothing we said. [Yahoo!]
  • A 35,000-foot view of the Southeast Division as it stands at the outset of August. [ESPN]
  • Filling the second-line center hole from within. [Jumping the Glass]
  • Mike Green will help to beautify a public school in Northwest in a couple of weeks. Presumably that means more than simply showing up with Brooks Laich in tow. [Capitals]
  • A look at what some of your favorite Caps and Bears have been up to this summer. [Flashy Glove Save]
  • Vote Weagle! [Icethetics]
  • Jose Theodore is still looking for work... and there's not much to be had. [LiR]
  • Former Cap (and NHL all-time iron man) Doug Jarvis has a new gig as an assistant in Boston. Time to man-up, Bruins - your new assistant played 964 consecutive games. [Bruins Blog]
  • Great stuff from Caps... well, I'm not sure exactly what Nate Ewell's title is these days, but his words are wise just the same. [Fischler Report (pdf) via Ted's Take]
  • Golf and the Caps - they go together like... nevermind. Anyway, time's running out on your chance to get $99 worth of fun and frustration on the links at Virginia Oaks for just $49. [SB Nation Team Pick]
  • A look back at former Caps goalie Wayne Stephenson, who passed away earlier this summer. [Capitals]
  • Finally, happy 34th birthday to Jeff Friesen, happy 47th to Mike Siltala and happy 52nd to Howard Walker.

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Yes, this is the best team the Caps have had since the lockout, even without a legit 2C in place.

But it could be better GMGM. Make it happen.

I’m thinking the team at the TD will be better.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on Aug 5, 2010 7:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Best since the lockout? Maybe. BMo added a ton of production out of the gate last year, which will not happen this year; Knuble is year older; the injury count was very favorable last year; and Erskine will be taking a regular shift, which he was not necessarily required to do last year. On the other side, you have a full year of Chimera, Ovechkin can easily improve on his year, Backstrom could be even better, and the same with Green. So it could be a better team.

The second part of that column, that the Caps as currently configured are good enough to win a Cup, struck me more. I don’t think they are. Without improvement to the PK they just won’t be able to get far enough in the playoffs.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

PK improvement is dependent upon changing the system more than the players though. They need to play a more aggressive system instead of sitting back so much.

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any day with a Caps Clips link to Calle Johansson is a good day.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Most Underrated Capital….ever?

by bilspacecadet on Aug 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly Miller is right there with him. What a player.

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

KM would definitely be in my top 3 of most underrated Caps. I would even put the inspiration for my alias in the underrated category. Or maybe “underappreciated” would be more apt.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

..

Yup.


GIFSoup

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Love that goal….Pete Peeters in net for Philly?

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Almost looks like Bob Froese (sp?).

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 5, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think its Ken Wregget.

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

January 28, 1990

Jim Hrivnak got the win!

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Langway and Hatcher were both +5’s in that game. Tim Kerr and Pelle Eklund were both -3s

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked his Superbowl Sunday OT winner, also against the Flyers.

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every game in Caps/Flyers history up to December 5, 2009

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

G. Zus.

January 31, 1988 — The Caps’ Kelly Miller snapped a scoreless tie in OT and Pete Peeters recorded the shutout in Washington’s 1-0 home win. Mike Gartner had 10 shots on goal. Washington outshot Philly 36-28 including 5-0 in OT. Ron Hextall made 35 saves. The teams went 0-for-16 on the PP. Ron Hextall was whistled for three different minors. Mark Howe was tossed at 11:35 of the third period for a spearing major and Scott Stevens was tossed as third man in; Greg Smyth of the Flyers and Greg Adams of the Caps were involved in the fray resulting in double minors to both. Game time was switched to 12:05 so not to conflict with the Washington-Denver Super Bowl.

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think my favorite part of that is:

Ron Hextall was whistled for three different minors

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a guy who really could’ve used some therapy. As he aged, he calmed down a lot, but by then, he just didn’t have the skills any more. A very good goalie who could’ve been great.

by RCheli on Aug 5, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one’s good too:

December 21, 1980 — It took 26 (19-0-6 pre-game record) tries but Washington finally recorded a victory in this series as Mike Palmateer made 44 stops in a 6-0 win in Philadelphia. The Caps were 0-12-0 and out-scored 71-26 in 12 prior visits to Philadelphia. The Flyers entered the game 21 points better than the Caps. Philly had 14 shots in the first seven minutes. There were 17 fighting majors, multiple misconducts and 344 PIMs. At one point, late in the game, the Flyers had a PP for 6:56 but a slashing major to Reggie Leach nullified much of it. The first clash erupted at the 0:19 mark between Jim McTaggart and Ken Linseman. Popular ex-Flyer Bob Kelly, in his return to the Spectrum, was greeted warmly by many appreciative signs. Kelly and Linseman fought. Archie Henderson (who made his NHL debut and played just seven games in his Caps’ career) and Behn Wilson dueled twice in the first period: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXto3XpRcy0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9o_BgVGeHg

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably one of the most awesome games i’ve ever been to. fans were JACKED UP due to the super bowl later (and that we were playing the flyers) that day and used this game to release that pent up anticipation. beating the flyers was just the beginning of a great day for washington sports fans.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 5, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is it about awesome games on Super Bowl Sunday? After last year, you can’t tell me the NHL didn’t place one of the reg season meetings Caps vs. Pens on Super Bowl Sunday on purpose.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this year’s anywhere near as exciting, they’re going to have to do that every year.

"It's always good to have vikings."

Proud member of the Oxford dictionary police.

by gfcaps fan on Aug 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just as long as it doesn’t involve me having to trek through the city after 4 feet of snow this time.

Watching the O’s try to use strategy is like watching Mike Green trying to figure out the difference between "your" and "you’re"--Terpgrrl
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by RedBirdie on Aug 5, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m forever indebted to the guys who knocked on our door that Saturday night and asked if we wanted them to shovel. Best $150 I’ve ever spent (I think that’s what we paid them). Maybe.

"It's always good to have vikings."

Proud member of the Oxford dictionary police.

by gfcaps fan on Aug 5, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m forever indebted to Boutros23 for the tixs (or at least until I can buy her a beer at VC this season).

"HISTORY DOESN’T MATTER!!! .... Who cares if it’s never been done? We aren’t those teams who failed before. We are in control of our own destiny, and we will make it happen our own way.." - A Gordon, June 2010

by bagace on Aug 5, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noted!

John Carlson - Glory follows him.

by boutros23 on Aug 5, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I thought my little recap was somethin’…

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Great pics on that page too

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, that’s your blood all over the helmet.

Watching the O’s try to use strategy is like watching Mike Green trying to figure out the difference between "your" and "you’re"--Terpgrrl
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by RedBirdie on Aug 5, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some things never change…

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve got a bleeder!

by reesem37 on Aug 5, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to hockey reference, Mark LaForest wore 33 for the Flyers in 88 and 89 and Peeters wore 33 in 90 and 91 when Miller would have played for the Caps

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wregget gave up the first 5 in that game and was pulled for Peeters.

Money don't make my world go round...i'm reaching out to a higher ground

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loking at the box score. I had forgotten about Stephen Leach playing for the Caps. I have no idea why—he seemed to be here forever in the late 80s.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember him most as a Bruin. Looking at his stats, it seems pretty clear he hurt himself sometime in the 92-93 (or early in 93-94), because he had some nice offensive years and then his game went in the tank.

by RCheli on Aug 5, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at all that space…and, man, goalies have gotten better.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The week before he scored that a kid I played with in high school scored almost an identical goal. Several of us were calling each other and accusing Miller of scouting our games for scoring ideas.

by jdug8 on Aug 5, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly takes the top spot if he doesn’t hit that crossbar…ugh

by bilspacecadet on Aug 5, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It has been my hope since Alzner was drafted that he could become the next Calle.

by jdug8 on Aug 5, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

@chesnykov Ovechkin said he was surprised Nabokov signed in the KHL; expected the #Caps would land the goalie, said “it would have been awesome.”

And that’s why we don’t let Ovechkin make the personnel decisions.

by Kolzilla on Aug 5, 2010 8:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don’t put much in that comment other than “It would’ve been fun to play with a buddy.” I don’t think it reflects his opinion of Varly and/or Neuvy. Now, if he’d said, “We need a veteran goalie…”

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a guess, but I am pretty sure OV would have that it would be “awesome” to play with Tretiak also. And I am sure we would be clamouring to sign him.

In 1977.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ovi always speaks very highly of Nabokov. Hasn’t he said on a few occasions if he was making a team that’s who he would pick as his goaltender?

I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life.

by zephyr on Aug 5, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

AO just scored on his buddy for the first time this year. The Sharks were the one team he had never gotten a goal against.

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m sure that was a nice one to cross off the list. I’d like if they started beating the Sharks with a bit more consistency though.

I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life.

by zephyr on Aug 5, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they will now. ;-)

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovie voted him #1 as the best Russian in the NHL for the Kharlamov trophy voting in 2008 and 2009 (followed by Malkin and Kovalchuk). This year he voted for Bryzgalov, Semin, Kovalchuk.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 5, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recall that when Michael Jordan was just coming into his own with the Bulls, he made a ton of personnel suggestions, invariably recommending Carolina players to the FO. As in, Buzz Peterson (or whatever his name is) would make a great point guard for this team.

Or so the legend goes, anyway.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nate mentioned the NPR piece on Alzner/Laich. Anyone have a link to it?

by Ginga on Aug 5, 2010 8:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Here you go. Definitely phenomenal stuff.

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks much.

by Ginga on Aug 5, 2010 8:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can’t wait for the new one.

John Carlson - Glory follows him.

by boutros23 on Aug 5, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there going to be another one? That one was fantastic, I’ve listened to it at least twice. Great stuff.

by Becca H on Aug 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nate Dogg says in the interview:

They did it again this season and a new one will debut in August.

John Carlson - Glory follows him.

by boutros23 on Aug 5, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

…and yes, of course I thoroughly read every thing JP links to in the Clips every morning, why do you ask? :P

by Becca H on Aug 5, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is an awesome background to my morning at work. Thanks!

by funkyceili79 on Aug 5, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fischler

I don’t much like listening to Stan Fischler in between periods of the NY games but that little newsletter he puts out is nice…not alot of new news but an interesting read.

find your own...

by NJNJ on Aug 5, 2010 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Related to Jarvis, it looks like Bouwmeester is the current ironman with something around 440 (don’t have an exact number).

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 5, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s funny that CSN wonders if this is the best roster the Caps have had since the lock-out. I know it’s hard to quantify given the way the game has changed, but this team should be rivaling best ever.

by DrinkingPartner on Aug 5, 2010 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Its a fairly ridiculous question, since it is essentially the same as asking, will the Caps be better this year than they were last year?

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Aug 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which isn’t per se a stupid question.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calle Jo!

One of my favorites and one of the first Caps I met. From the shoebox next to my desk:

#NeedsMoreBradley

by Addison H. on Aug 5, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Great pic Addison. Calle Jo seemslike a great guy

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not unless you’re imagining him with a speech bubble over his head saying, “Goddamn it, I hate these fucking fans.”

by DrinkingPartner on Aug 5, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Birthday Greetings

with apologies to mel anglestad, is it possible to have a minimum games played with the caps threshold for earning birthday greetings? bobby babcock and mike siltala? even ron webber is wonder who the f these guys were…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 5, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

There are less-comprehensive Caps blogs out there that you’re welcome to frequent.

Zing!

Frankly, I like the randoms. Every once in a while an old-timey reader will remember one and have a moment of joy, and that’s what I aim to provide – moments of joy (except to the ladyz, to whom I provide hours of joy).

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

JP – I’ve got your back. I like them.

I was frustrated yesterday that I didn’t know who Bobby Babcock was, because I’ve been following the caps since the Stan Gilbertson, Bob Sirois, Jack Egers days.

Then again, 2 games across two seasons is the pure definition of a cup of coffee.

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoy the randoms also JP. Keep em coming.

This “old-timey reader” enjoys the moment of joy. Was it good for you?

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I remember Bobby Babcock. (Wasn’t he in the same draft class with Jeff Ballentyne (sp?)?) I’m old. Damn.

by bilspacecadet on Aug 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the randoms, even though I have no idea who they are.

"It's always good to have vikings."

Proud member of the Oxford dictionary police.

by gfcaps fan on Aug 5, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m and not so old but long timey fan and frankly it just reminds me that i’m getting older and more forgetful…

not sure if reading those bio’s is sad cause these guys barely got a cup o’ joe (speaking of less comprehensive, perhaps) in the NHL or joyful that these guys got to at least suit of for at least one NHL game and, in bobby’s case, sit in the box for two minutes and feel shame. probably spent 50% of his NHL ice time in the box.

it’s august and a slow time for everything in hockey, including bustin’ balls…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 5, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

And bustin’ balls slowly makes it way worse

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 5, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

so as futher penance for recommending less comprehension from the rink (and to try and add some additionaly cuddling to those fleeting moments of joy) i will endeavor to post a fan shot w/ some of the caps one (or two) hit wonders..

for example, a little reseach reveals that “burly” bob babcock’s game in 1992 was in a 4-2 loss to the flyers on 10/10. he was in for calder candidate brad schlegle and apparantly layed out lindros with a big hit…no word on his infamous penalty yet….

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t there a list somewhere on the Internet of those few players in NHL history that played one and only one game and scored a goal? I used to know where that was.

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Wikipedia:

Brad Fast (Carolina, 03-04)
Roland Huard (Toronto 30-31)
Dean Morton (Detroit 89-90)
Raymie Skilton (Montreal Wanderers 17-18)

Household names, all.

by RCheli on Aug 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

I thought there were more.

What search terms did you Google?

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I put in: NHL players one game.

There’s a list of those guys, and I just sorted by goals.

Here’s the site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_one_gamers

by RCheli on Aug 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nine Washington Capitals on this list.

Among them is the making for a fantastic trivia question – Name the goalie who appeared in one game for the Capitals, the only game in his pro career, won that game and gave up no goals?

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just looked again. He’s not on the list at all. They must limit out folks like him who are clearly emergencies and really don’t have a career.

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

he’s probably not on the list because he has no actual playing time.

Watching the O’s try to use strategy is like watching Mike Green trying to figure out the difference between "your" and "you’re"--Terpgrrl
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by RedBirdie on Aug 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will guess either Frederic Cassivi or Maxime Ouellet

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. Both certainly played more than one game.

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

What’s intriguing about the Caps’ one-gamer list is that there are two goalies on the list, neither Cassivi nor Oullet.

The other goalie lost.

By the way – neither goalie played the whole game.

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shawn Simpson?

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good for you for not looking (or just showing your ability to guess inconsequential Caps’ goalies) -

But no.

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly it’s the fact of having too much useless trivial info in my head (e.g. – inconsequental Caps goalies)

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

There were an awful lot of inconsequential Caps goalies.

Rocking the Red since 1975

by CapsFan75 on Aug 5, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cheated, as I have no knowledge of the caps preceding 2002

Stupid short lifespan. He was apparently the first Italian NHL’er

by lynxtheone on Aug 5, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montreal Wanderers

Did they have a game plan?

LOL!

(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)

by oldemystix on Aug 5, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, boys. Let’s go out and skate here and then over there and if you feel like it, well, do whatever you want.

by RCheli on Aug 5, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were the progenitors of the trap with all the Wanderers clogging up the neutral zone (not always on purpose). They were coached by Jacques Lemaire’s great-grandfather Albert “Le Dutch” Lemaire.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

…so they were named for the fans wandering out of the arena in search of something more exciting to watch.

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by oldemystix on Aug 5, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I guess back in 1917 you could Anglicize “Les Voyageurs” in Montreal and get away with it.

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is one of the guys pulling a carnation out of the water?

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by oldemystix on Aug 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

He needed some instant breakfast?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s a lily pad.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 5, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, that’s a big canoe. I want to paddle one of those.

Looks like carnation guy is actually pulling a trot line or a trap?

/end OT

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d vote “pulling a trap.” Gotta look good for the big cheeses:

Canoe Manned by Voyageurs Passing a Waterfall (Canada). Scene showing a large Hudson’s Bay Company freight canoe passing a waterfall, presumably on the French River. The passengers in the canoe may be the artist and her husband, Edward Hopkins, secretary to the Governor of the Hudson’s Bay Company.

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it’s a trap…Jacques Lemaire’s great-grandfather taught them well. :-)

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by bagace on Aug 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

A trap?!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d for the geekery.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

list starts with Archie “Moonlight” Graham – 1 at Bat but listed as 0 for 0

find your own...

by NJNJ on Aug 5, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we need an intervention...

… because these hockey players are even getting married in them!
 

 
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by Gould Old Days on Aug 5, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Aucoin’s flip-flops > Favre’s crocs

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do we know if the bride was also wearing flip-flops? It is on the beach, after all.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 5, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

So how much did it make your brain hurt to read a Deadspin article?

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by Doncosmic on Aug 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some deadspin stuff is good. I’m thinking of the piece on an underground hockey fighting camp in particular.

by Ginga on Aug 5, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just found out what you’re referencing…don’t know how you could make the decision to run that story, given that it involves another human being, and there’s no, you know, actual evidence.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be happy to become a member of an Intervention Squad ready and willing to ambush Caps around the world and remove their offending garments and accessories and dole out haircuts at the slightest hint of a mullet. It’s unfortunate that bad tattoos can’t be removed as easily.

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by oldemystix on Aug 5, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Were you planning to start with Ovi’s “tramp stamp”? Or with Semin’s mulletesque hair do?

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 5, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he’s added more ink in another bad location.

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by oldemystix on Aug 5, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost as bad as the people who wear chuck taylors with their wedding suit

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something not as nice. Färjestad’s goalie Robin Rahm have tested positive for doping and admitted it. If he’s convicted there is a two year suspension.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

For Robin or for the team? If it’s for the player only, I don’t much care.

But it drags the whole team down into the mud anyway.

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just for Robin but as you said the whole team including Marcus will be affected to some degree.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Färjestad’s goalie coach is still Jonas Gustavsson’s (The Monster) personal coach so it’s possible that people start to think it’s something fishy with him as well.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see Mackan has his Caps helmet on. Is that an indication of where he wants to play this year?

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 5, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sure hope so.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry that I couldn’t make the pics any bigger.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason, sarcasm from a Swede is even funnier.

by Cluster on Aug 5, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aside: how do you pronounce “Färjestad”? Phonetically, I mean.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

[ˈfvær.jə] sta

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, “FYAUR-ya-stah” or something similar?

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ja, that’s correct.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Tough language, it looks like.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Swedish is pretty hard language to learn for a English speaker. We don’t have as many words as you guys have though.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you make up for it; every word is about 15 letters long!

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And all those silly dots.

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do not disrespect the Umlauts!

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it ironic that the word “umlaut” does not, in fact, contain an umlaut? Or is that just my stupid anglocentricism showing?

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t that be a tautology? I mean in the old Greek way pre Kant and Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Related

“”http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2010/07/05/100705sh_shouts_ephron" target="new">The Girl Who Fixed the Umlaut"

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by Scott in Shaw on Aug 5, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes. The Girl Who Fixed the Umlaut

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by Scott in Shaw on Aug 5, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it!
I’ve only read the Larsson books in Swedish so I’m wondering do they explain the Kalle Blomkvist nickname?

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think they said he was a famous detective in children’s books. But that was about it, so please explain more.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 5, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that’s right he is a famous Astrid Lindgren character. All Swedish children basically read those books. And it’s a great nick name he is like an all grown up Kalle Blomqvist.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is getting off topic, but since we have a real Swedish person to ask questions, I was wondering a few things about the books. I’ve only read the first and part of the second so far, and saw the first movie.

Is the guardianship that Salandar has a normal thing in Sweden? Also, in the second book when she had all that stolen money and wanted to furnish her place in style, she went to Ikea. I forgot if the furniture came assembled or if she did it herself. Here in the US, Ikea furniture is considered cheap, doesn’t last that long, and usually only people just starting out buy it and then assemble themselves. So I was wondering it Ikea furniture is better quality in Sweden. Although it might be hard for you to compare if you haven’t seen Ikea furniture here.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 5, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a debate in Sweden about the guardian part of the book and if that could happen in real life. And the consensus was that it could happen in extreme circumstances. Most adults that have a legal guardian have it because they need it that obviously wasn’t the case in the LS case she was just caught in the system and a skitstövel took advantage of it. Gurdianship isn’t that common.

My interpretation of LS buying furniture from IKEA is that it was a symbol for not knowing what to do with all that money. Larsson was an extremely political person and there were quite a few details in the book from the part when she tried to and couldn’t buy the apartment even though she had the money that alluded to that it wasn’t just her “special” personality that hindered her it was the fact that she was from the wrong class.
I would guess that almost all Swedish people have some stuff from IKEA. Working class people have a lot of IKEA things and middle class folks have them too but it’s mixed up with fancier stuff.
  It’s cheep but I think that the furniture is usually pretty durable. Maybe Ingvar Kamprad keep the good stuff for his fellow Swedes?

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok it’s been awhile since I read the books, but I am not sure that I picked up on all the political aspects. Either I am kinda dense or that aspect of them doesn’t translate that well. I plan to reread the 1st book and then read 2nd and 3rd, so I’ll try to pay more attention to the political aspects. The second Swedish movie already came out here, I’ll have to look for it on Netflix, although I didn’t want to watch it before finishing the book.

Some Ikea stuff is decent. It’s actually great for a person just starting out and needing cheap stuff. I have some Ikea stuff myself that I haven’t gotten around to replacing but I need to, the bookshelf is falling apart, that sort of thing. The dresser and desk I had are pretty junky, although I didn’t buy their most expensive version.

One thing that was confusing is here in the US the word apartment is only used for rental units. A unit that you buy is called a condo although I think they call it something else in New York.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 5, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the Swedish version I think they called it paradvåning=some kind of posh, luxury condo.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I just started the third book. Were they as popular in Sweden as they are here now? Also, is the style that Ephron is making fun of typical of Swedish literature (factually detailed, short sentences, etc.)?

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by Scott in Shaw on Aug 5, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were extremely popular in Sweden.
 The things you listed above and the fact that they usually are quite political. have been the typical Swedish style in crime novels since Sjöwall/Wahlöö in the mid 60’s.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks! We’re all anxiously awaiting the decision as to who will play Lisbeth in the (US) movies.

/OT

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by Scott in Shaw on Aug 5, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess “Revenge of the Umlauts” is coming to your local neighborhood theater or, should I say, local neighborhood ice rink.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 5, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are fly specks.
Eww.

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by oldemystix on Aug 5, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jävla skitstövel!

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m curious to learn (and I might be picking up a couple of those languages in the next couple of years).

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can get the Swedish Wallander series from MHz Networks’ online store.
Or Varg Veum for Norwegian.

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by oldemystix on Aug 5, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lookit all them fans that dressed as empty seats!

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s training camp. I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t open to the general public.

by Wheeler on Aug 5, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

*

It was open to the public and there were a record braking amount of people there. 800 people showed up.
Färjestad’s GM is Håkan Loob, quite a fitting name it seems.
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 It’s from when he turned 50 earlier this Summer. He didn’t only do whatever it is he’s doing in those picks to celebrate he also went on a trip through Europe on his Harley with Bengt-Åke Gustafsson.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heavy metal thunder!

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see… but I can’t un-see…

by Wheeler on Aug 5, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is goddamn horrifying

by reesem37 on Aug 5, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s worse than anything Jon Gruden can throw our way.

by Ginga on Aug 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh.Holy.Jesus.

MY EYES!

by funkyceili79 on Aug 5, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would learn not to do that around Briere.

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by oldemystix on Aug 5, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. If you had set the over/under on Jeff Friesen’s age at 35, I would have taken the over. I remember him from NHL96 (the first hockey video game I ever owned).

by Wheeler on Aug 5, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I used to swear there were two Jeff Friesen’s because they guy showed up everywhere.

Then, the two Peter/Petr Sykora’s really caused problems.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Sillinger and Brent Ashton would like to contend the “showed up everywhere” point.

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by Rather Bengt on Aug 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dominic Moore rec’d his.

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 5, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big enough for my Mackan fix… Thanks for sparking up my morning!

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by Backeez Got Back on Aug 5, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

For all the Haterz

Saw this yesterday at a camera shop, made me think of you guys (and gals).

by bilspacecadet on Aug 5, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

From RMNB...

Wow. I’ll probably go to this, as I graduated from ERHS (before they ever got a hockey team, but still).

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

No shit! I went to ERHS too. We had a hockey team when I was there, but it was on “club” status. Ms. Henderson was their sponsor.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a couple classes with Abram Fox. Nice dude.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What year? I was Class of ’94.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

2001. My Uncle was 89, my sister was 2000.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh. I won’t lie, I didn’t have a lot of use for my classmates, but I loved the school as a whole.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re hockey team was tough to play. We had an away game against ERHS one year, and the crowd was so loud and talked so much trash to us that it was unnerving.

by Capcrazy77 on Aug 5, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they played their games in Laurel at the Gardens. I only went to one or two since there were a lot of guys on the team that were jagoffs.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, they did. From my experience in high school hockey, most of the hockey players I knew or played against were jagoffs.

by Capcrazy77 on Aug 5, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No shit, me too. I was good friends with Abram. Somehow I bet you and I crossed paths sometime. Hit me up on my profile e-mail so we can move OT stuff off-board

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by renstar on Aug 5, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willie Mitchell update:

I believe San Jose and Washington are the front-runners for Willie Mitchell, who is recovered and set to sign in near future.

Per Mirtle.

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by Wheeler on Aug 5, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes please.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Aug 5, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and no. He’d definitely be an upgrade if he’s healthy, but I’m weary of blowing through the cap space. If it were easier to dump salaries in today’s NHL, I’d be in the hell-yeah camp.

by Ginga on Aug 5, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a good player. And its always awesome to have a white guy named “Willie”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s easy to dump salaries that are reasonable in today’s NHL – my guess is that if they sign him they’re not going to sign him to a ridiculously long or ridiculously expensive contract.

by Becca H on Aug 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t see him getting that from any team. If the Sharks are the main competition, the the Caps are in good position. If I remember right, the Sharks can only offer him ~3MM without absolutely destroying their ability for call-ups and such. The Caps can offer a bit more than that and still have plenty of room to go after anybody they want at the trade deadline.

The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Aug 5, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can maybe offer him 2.5 million at most after signing Jamal Mayers.

by Wheeler on Aug 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do the Caps have, about 5-5.5? Assuming MItchell gets 3-3.5, we’re left with 1.5 to 2.5. That’s not a lot of room — maybe not enough to add a 2C who’s an upgrade. But then again, it’s not terrible. Plus I don’t know how the cap changes over the course of the season.

by Ginga on Aug 5, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically, only the portion of the average annual value paid by the team counts towards the cap. If you acquire a player at the trade deadline, for instance, you only need to clear a quarter or so of the average annual value of his contract.

To acquire Brad Richards (who has a 7.8 million dollar cap hit) at the trade deadline, the Caps would need to bank roughly 2.2 million in cap space from the beginning of the season. If you trade away Fleischmann at the deadline as well, it goes down to about 1.2 million.

You don’t really need that much banked cap space at the deadline to make some big acquisitions.

by Wheeler on Aug 5, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the explanation. I knew it changed over the course of a season, but I didn’t realize how. I assumed a team’s cap room would go down on a pro-rated basis as the season progressed.

by Ginga on Aug 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

$4,45M NIC bonuses.

You can “bank” cap space over the course of the season, as long as you’re not using the LTIR exception, I think. Not exactly sure how that works, but EmilyB or KHtaD probably do.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can "bank" cap space over the course of the season, as long as you’re not using the LTIR exception, I think. Not exactly sure how that works, but EmilyB or KHtaD probably do

Basically you can pay out whatever the cap is over the course of the season, but in whatever fashion you choose. So if you have a situation where the cap is 55 million dollars and a payroll of 50 million dollars, at the halfway point you’ve paid out 25 million and are thus allowed to pay out 30 million more. Since you’re allowed to pay out 30 million more, you can add five million dollars in salary and five million in salary halfway through the season is a ten million dollar contract.

….if that makes sense.

by David Getz on Aug 5, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhh…that was a really good explanation, D. I’ve never really gotten that (or tried to, to be honest) but that was perfect :) Usually if I’m able to understand it, most people are, so…yeah.

by Becca H on Aug 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does the LTIR thing play into it?

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically the way to think about is that the Caps get X dollars to spend on salaries on the year and its distributed as a per diem allowance. So whatever you don’t spend now, you “bank” for later. LTIR guys actually count against the salary cap so in this example, you’re going over your per diem, but the league is charging the overage against the escrow accounts.

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by apk3000 on Aug 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, gotcha. So guys on LTIR count towards what you’re allowed to bank, even when they don’t count towards what you have “booked” against the salary cap.

Example: Team has Player A on LTIR and Player A has a cap-hit of $3M. The rest of Team’s players bring it to $2M under the cap. Including Player A’s cap hit, Team does not bank any cap space.

I will guess that if the Team’s LTIR salary does not bring it over the cap, the Team would bank the margin that remained, after accounting for the LTIR salary. [I am not a very good writer, sorry for the impenetrable prose here.]

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, really, you can’t get LTIR cap relief until you use up your cap space. Once you get LTIR cap relief, obviously, you’re not banking anything. To the average fan, the net effect of the LTIR cap exemption is to say that the player is “removed” from the cap, but that’s not true, you get to exceed the cap by the LTIR amount. Where this really matters (besides the “banking cap space”) is when they’re calculating whether to give the players’ escrow payments back.

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by apk3000 on Aug 5, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. What you bank is the amount between your salary payout and the cap. If your team’s at $49M with a $50M cap ceiling and a guy gets hurt and you call up a $500k player to take his place, you’re banking the $500k that’s left over. If the player is, say, a $4M guy, you can spend up to $53M, but you’re considered to be against the cap.

Basically you have to be spending to the cap to get an exemption, thus you’re considered at the cap if you’re using it.

by David Getz on Aug 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that makes sense.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, he definitely won’t get anything long-term or expensive. i can see a couple years at maybe $2M

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he’s healthy, he’ll be a tremendous bargain at that price. If he’s not, he’ll be dead weight (assuming the injury pertains to his concussion, and he’s out for a real long time).

The only way I see him ending up as a middling kind of player is if he gets unlucky with other, more conventional injuries.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, the healthiness is the big issue here.

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

His health is a risk, but I think the Caps are in a position to take that kind of short term risk on him. They have the cap space, and I can’t imagine he’s asking for a long term deal.

The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Aug 5, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was reading the same thing, that because he spent so many days on IR, that a low base plus incentives was more likely, say $1.5-2.0 Million plus incentives.

by S h a g g y on Aug 5, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we get Mitchell there will be much shouting and joy in the YLM household.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I have heard, I’d say odds of Mitchell returning to the Canucks are very good. 90+ %. Bieksa/SOB/AA all probably goners

From Jeff Angus twitter. That was posted a few hours ago though maybe things have changed since then.

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine we’ll take Bieksa

by reesem37 on Aug 5, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I trust Mirtle a lot more than I trust someone who’s writing for DobberHockey.

by Wheeler on Aug 5, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what’s the Vancouver take on it?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

as i said above, he’d probably sign for a couple years at maybe $2M. i don’t think he’s coming back to Vancouver, although some at NM are hoping he does.

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, the Sharks can pay him that much…which I bet they would be willing to do.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missy, what’s your read on it? You think they’d honestly move 3 guys to make room for one?

by Becca H on Aug 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mitchell’s better than Bieksa, O’Brien, and Alberts, though. And cheaper than Bieksa.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but if you’re tight to the cap already and are down a defenseman in Salo, do you trade three more NHL-ready guys away to make room for one? Seems like an odd move to me.

by Becca H on Aug 5, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, because moving those three saves them money in the short term. Essentially, Mitchell’s salary is less than Bieksa, Alberts, and O’Brien combined (Bieksa alone, actually). You can get a decent forward for Bieksa (Filatov?) and some shitty picks for the other ones. At that point they’re left with cap space and Hamhuis, Ballard, Ehrhoff, Edler, Salo, and Mitchell. Thats pretty solid.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, we’re all just waiting to see what Gillis pulls off….

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s still a lot of moving parts. Of course, Gillis has had time to work on it, so it could come together quickly, I suppose…we’ll see how it shakes out.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt it.
besides, our defense is full of confusion right now. too many d-men signed, along with salo’s injury….

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Mirtle is one of the best. But I think Angus is from Vancouver so he got that going for him at least. I wasn’t aver that he had a bad rep.

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, you see, his specialty is fantasy hockey. he’s actually joined NM now (after we tore apart one of his articles).

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got a major man-crush on John Carlson. So that makes me trust him.

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, he recently wrote an article where he said that our prospect Jordan Schroeder (who was on Carlson’s WJC team and also had an impact there) is likely to become similar to Sidney Crosby. Angus joined the site when we tore apart that article.

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

here’s the fanshot linking to the article.

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know he is a fantasy guy. I’ve been following him on twitter for awhile and never really seen him do the I-make-up-baseless-rumors-just- for-fun-thing. Have he done that in the past and I just missed it?

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’ve only followed him for a couple weeks myself. pretty much all he does is more fantasy-related.

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok so not a known bad rep when it comes to rumors then. I thought I had missed something when I got a borderline pile on.

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

For my sake and yours, hope to God he signs with the Caps.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t ready the confetti, that’s like a jinx. I’m going to say nothing for right now and settle for crossing fingers, toes, nosehairs….

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heehee. I was looking for some Cody news and discovered Hockey Canada is still sailing serenely along De Nile river…

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/57519/la_id/1.htm

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

yawn
mirtle
  
The Preds have traded prospect Mike Santorelli to Florida for a conditional fifth-round pick.

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by missy on Aug 5, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah, the Rich Peverley Syndrome. Don’t work hard enough Trotzy’s system, get shipped outta town. Mike’s an interesting player. Lots of speed and fantastic hands – he was perfect through four tries in the shootout last year.

The real meaning, though, appears to be this: Santorelli was player #50 on the Preds’ 50 man maximum roster. Sending him off opens up a spot for Poile to sign a goalie in the coming days.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theo! (she says, hopefully)

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would be nice for the little guy.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my preference.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does MAF have a bad contract?

Via PD, this article takes a Pens-centric look at MAF and his contract, specifically asking whether the contract was a mistake.

The author comes down on “no”. Why? It hasn’t prevented the club from assembling great talent in other key areas; the potential, reasonable savings on MAF don’t buy you much at Wing; and MAF can be a game changer.

Which is nice and all, but he fails to ask the crucial question: could MAF’s production be replaced at a cheaper cost? The answer there is almost certainly yes. In a capped world, locking yourself into paying more than you have to, especially for a long term, is just not good.

I’m coming down on the opposite side from this guy.

(Note: I’m leaving aside the “but he won a Cup” issue. He was worth his salary when they won. Now let’s talk about today.)

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s the exact same player as Cam Ward is. He’ll make 5 for the next 5 years, and Ward will make 6.3 for the next 6. I’d say that’s a much worse contract than MAF’s.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

CAR doesn’t have to re-sign Crosby and Malkin (or their analogs) during the time that Ward’s contract lasts. they also have a lot more cap space to work with over the next few years (at least at this point).

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by renstar on Aug 5, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Cam Ward is a better goalie.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But their numbers are really, really similar. Like creepy similar.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I grant you that!

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, that being the case, I’d probably rather have the guy who makes a million less per year with a shorter contract.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will grant you Cam Ward’ K is worse. And we’ll see how MAF performs with the upgraded D in front of him.

I still think it’s a bad contract.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love CI.

From the comments on the Mestery Retires topic

not to mention, he was yet another tall beanpole player who got easily pushed around on the ice. Looks to me like he had no stomach for the game. So we dumped one of our 2006 2nd rounders (Seabrook) to Calgary and now our 2008 2nd rounder busts out.

The 2006 draft is looking mighty weak after the 1st round; 2007 looks to be a complete bust outside of Alzner, 2008 has no real standouts outside of Carlson (and that one kid who got us our 4th line part time enforcer.). The 2005 draft was an utter bust.

tell me again how McPhee has turned into this incredible drafter after yrs of crappiness? Or are we hoping that Bouchard and Perreault will become impact NHL players to help salvage at least part of the aforementioned drafts? And don’t even mention Kugryshev. He looks like another undersized soft skilled player in the making. And I’ve heard that if players aren’t even in the AHL yet it means they apparently suck.

Surprised it took them to the third comment.

lets just look at the proof.

McPhee’s draft resume:

1998 – bust
1999 – bust
2000 – bust (sort of, we did get some mileage out of Pettinger and a little out of Sutherby)
2001 – bust
2002 – bust after 1st round
2003 – bust after 1st round
2004 – bust after 1st round
2005 – bust
2006 – bust after 1st round
2007 – bust after 1st round
2008 – bust after 1st round (and 1 of the 2 draft picks in the 1st looks to be a bust also)
2009 – jury out
2010 – jury out

-————————-

I don’t ever want to ever effin hear again that McPhee is now a great drafter. A few of us could sit around and just select players based on draft rankings and come up with a few more hits than he did. What essentially allowed him to save face was the fact he was able to find some talented scorers in the 1st round over the past several yrs and got lucky with the lottery pick for Ovechkin. He has that going for him, and not much else. Backstrom, Green, Semin, Ovy of which Backs and Ovy were no-brain picks at that point in time. Carlson looking like his best overall pick considering where he got drafted.

Not an impressive resume at all. His only asset seems to be he can once in a while pick up a scorer in the 1st round. Whooptee fkn do.

This guy = Genius.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Um, uh? Braden Holtby? Cody Eakin? And, um, I think it’s a tad early to decide that 2008 draftees are a bust?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither Holtby or Eakin have done anything at the NHL level. I like this, I think they were good picks at the moment, but I don’t think they’re too much to use in McPhee’s defense.

Realistically, before 2006 McPhee and his staff were not good at drafting by any measure. Since 2006 they’ve been pretty good, but they’ve also made some big mistakes and haven’t picked up a ton of prospects at points where the drafting is still pretty good, particularly the 2nd round.

by David Getz on Aug 5, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mestery…nice pick, huh?

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That pick was so full of fail it’s ridiculous. To pick a guy 57th overall that you don’t even offer a contract to? Ugh.

by David Getz on Aug 5, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew he was in trouble when I saw him at the rookie camp a few years ago. Woof.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two draft picks we didn’t offer contracts to played against each other in the WHL Finals this year – Mestery and Joel Broda.

Broda just signed with the Wild and now Mestery’s out completely.

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by EmilyB on Aug 5, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve brought it up in connection with McPhee’s draft history before, but it’s worth repeating — his success with undrafted or castoff free agents since about 2006 has been pretty good. So that makes up some of the ground from the fact that his low round drafting has not been terribly successful.

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 5, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And his work in the trade market has been quite good (Corvo trade notwithstanding)

by David Getz on Aug 5, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m trying to decide whether you’re snarking or not.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just call me Snarkleupagus.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Or an emissary from Snarkland

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m trying to decide exactly how best to rip this thing apart. Typically the goal is to get one good player out of each year, right? Braden Holtby was a 2008 draft pick, right?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

2006 2nd- Michal Neuvirth

by jaytown99 on Aug 5, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call. And nobody could claim that Backstrom was a no-brainer at the time. Look at who went above him.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone thought Backstrom was a no-brainer.

If a player taken in the top 5 is not a very-good-to-excellent player, he’s nearly a bust.

by RCheli on Aug 5, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He really was a no-brainer, though. There was a consensus top-5 that year, and the Caps needed a playmaking center and had a scoring wing. Once they got to the 4th pick, there was one playmaking center left and one scoring wing…

And when you draft in the top 5, anything less than an impact player is a massive failure.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a lot of debate between Backstrom and Kessel. But given the Caps’ needs, Backstrom was the obvious choice.

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

To his credit, GM mentioned that the team liked Backstrom better than Staal…but I’d be interested to see who they might have taken if Toews had fallen to them.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if the Tazer had fallen to the Caps in the draft, he probably would not be their present captain. (Of course, we all know that he got that opportunity with the Hawks.)

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 5, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And when you draft in the top 5, anything less than an impact player is a massive failure.

One Alexander Volchkov comes immediately to mind. Vogs had a staggering stat yesterday about him. From the1969 to 2007 drafts, no player picked in the top five has played fewer games in the NHL than Volchkov. Now that the definition of massive failure.

by b.orr4 on Aug 5, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s an oversimplification. Your target’s going to be very different if you’re the Caps in 2004 (picking 1st, 27th, 29th, and 33rd) or 2002 (12th, 13th, 17th) than if you’re the Caps in 2001 (picking 58th, 90th, and 125th).

But assuming normal drafting (one pick in each round, pretty close to the middle), you want more than one useful player a draft. Only getting one prospect each year is going to make sustaining a farm system really difficult.

by David Getz on Aug 5, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where on earth do you get “the goal is to get one good player out of each year” from?

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

GMGM said it once in one of the fan forum things early in the summer.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 5, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Wow. That’s, um, surprising.

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by J.P. on Aug 5, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you want to have your 1st be a regular NHL player and at least 2 more reach the NHL, with one being a regular by three seasons after his draft year.

More than that is gravy, and less is not a great draft.

by RCheli on Aug 5, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see the goal being to get one impact NHL player regular per draft year.

With perhaps a secondary goal of producing another lower-level NHL’er per draft year, and maybe two guys that turn into good prospects?

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either he was blowing smoke or he’s defining it differently than I would. Getting one good player – one NHL regular – a year over an extended period is more or less where I’d put the bar for “minimally acceptable.”

by David Getz on Aug 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

GMGM blowing smoke? Never.

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by Bman21212 on Aug 5, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"It's always good to have vikings."

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 5, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh crap, I forgot the title! Sorry.

"It's always good to have vikings."

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 5, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its too bad the Breaking Bad GIF is broken.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

this posting is of course without appropriate context. it would be hard to find too many GM’s who have had significant consistent success outside the first round. and he turned 2nd rounder ted ruth into feds…

i like the line about being lucky with the lottery pick for ov. i mean, how did they end up in the lottery in the first place? sheer chance?

that said, how GMGM kept his job considering the draft picks he made early on in his tenure is beyond me. he’s lucky he went to work for an owner who was just learning the biz.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 5, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question of the Day is up.

:Sprinkles weagle-shaped confetti:

by Becca H on Aug 5, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re like our own version of Rip Taylor

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Aug 5, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

…ouch. I’ll have you know my mustache is nowhere near as crazy and I try to keep the color palette of my wardrobe to under 136 colors.

by Becca H on Aug 5, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Jay_Gold:

#Caps 6"5, 200 lbs prospect D Eric Mestery has officially announced his retirement at the age of 20. “No longer fun”. Wants to go to school.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Eric Mestery quits hockey. Hopefully it was nothing we said.

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Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ACK. Thank you. I normally read the Clips.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 5, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what they all say.
Shakes head. ;)
It’s to bad that we can’t call it a Chris Burton’d. Maybe a Chris Burton special?

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t a "/CB’d " when you mix up the sex of a poster?

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by bagace on Aug 5, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes. He has done it to me (and not in a good way).

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is your gender IW?

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 5, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a woman.

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by Malin A on Aug 5, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

RIP

Rest in peace Wayne. Thank you for many childhood memories as one of my favorite Capitals of that era.

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Oh well. Season's over... (via Mr. I, via @bruce_arthur)
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