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Patrick Wey and Evgeny Kuznetsov from July's Development Camp. Photo (c) Neil Greenberg (of @ngreenberg and RMNB fame)

Your savory breakfast links:

  • On Winter Classic tickets. [Ted's Take]
  • "Washington has to be considered the most likely destination for Niemi." At least, so say the numbers. [ESPN Insider ($)]
  • Another two cents on that same topic. [Kings of Leonsis]
  • Would Willie Mitchell be an upgrade to the Caps' D-corps? [RMNB]
  • ♫ Reunited and it feels so good ♪... Olie Kolzig will be at Caps Convention. [Capitals]
  • A look ahead to 2010-11's milestones. [Peerless]
  • "Any type! Brunettes, blondes, redheads, I love everybody." Guess who. [Alex Ovetjkin]
  • Mike Knuble will be skating in a University of Michigan alumni game on Friday... presumably in the 35-and-over game, with college hockey icon Red Berenson. Ouch. [MGoBlue]
  • When the Caps visit the Devils on March 18, the hosts will be decked out in their Christmas Tree finery. One would assume that the Caps would rock their Winter Classic retro look for the game. [Fire & Ice]
  • Blueline prospect Patrick Wey made it through the last round of cuts (from 42 to 28 players) at the 2010 USA Hockey National Junior Evaluation Camp. [USA Hockey]
  • A bit more on Wey. [KG's District, Masisak and Caps Today (from back at D-Camp)]
  • Cody Eakin is also getting ready to go camping. [Hockey Canada]
  • If you've ever wondered what Nicklas Backstrom would look like in a Leafs sweater from behind, this link's for you. [Allehanda via Google Translate, with a similar year-old shot at Nochnaya huligana]
  • The Caps have renewed their ECHL affiliation with South Carolina. Stingray grads who've played for the big club so far include Michal Neuvirth and Andrew Gordon. [Capitals]
  • Vogs brings you up-to-date on what you've missed while he's been on a well-deserved vacation. [Dump 'n Chase]
  • A new-to-me Brooks Laich article is always timely. [The Badger]
  • Mmm... Crapdogs. [Alex Ovetjkin]
  • The Caps' media/PR/marketing shuffle continues and has left a couple of openings. If you're wondering whether you're qualified, you're not. [NHL, NHL, NBA?]
  • Back to Caps alums at the Convention, looks like Ryan Walter won't have any conflicts that weekend. [Kurtenblog]
  • Off-topic, for a moment - if you're a golfer, $99 worth of the game at Virginia Oaks for just $49 is a mighty fine deal. [SB Nation Team Pick]
  • Finally, in the spirit of Becca's infamous Hockey Questionnaire o' Doom, look for a new mini-feature later this afternoon that'll help kill a little time between now and training camp.

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Brooksie – what’s not to love!!!!!

He's a better skater than Nick, but he's big in the back[side]...BB

by Backeez Got Back on Aug 4, 2010 7:04 AM EDT reply actions  

That article is painful to read, though.

John Carlson - Glory follows him.

by boutros23 on Aug 4, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was so painful, I had to bail out on it. I suppose it’s the thought that counts.

"It's always good to have vikings."

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

His grandfather is a tailor. Maybe that partly explains his ability to dress well, most of the time.

by Seminrocks on Aug 4, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike and Red play hockey...

Hail! to the victors ouch! valiant
Hail! to the conqu’ring her-OH, my back!
Hail! Hail! to Michi…gack!
The leaders and best!
Hail! to the victors (where’s the valium?)
Hail! to the conqu’ring her-ohhhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooo
Hail! Hail! to Michigan,
The champions of the … someone seen the Bengay?

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 7:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Red’s a pro at ice maintenance. He used to skate on Lake Baikal when it was just a pond.

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 4, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Brooksie link incorrectly places laich on the top line with Ovechkin. Other than that, it seems like a lot of hometown puffing and didn’t tell us much new.

The question to me with Mitchell is, can he play top-pairing minutes? If he can, we’re probably looking at this D setup:

Green – Mitchell
Schultz – Carlson
Poti – Alzner

I could get used to that.

What RMNB doesn’t acknowledge in their post is that there is inherent risk in acquiring any free agent – you don’t know whether they will fit in or be able to learn your system, you don’t know where they’ll find chemistry, a lot of other things. Injury only adds to that, but there’s always risk. I think the gamble’s worth it, especially if GMGM can get him to sign a short-term contract.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I kinda doubt you want him playing top pair minutes after his injury, and playing with Green could be a ‘waste’ of his skill set, sort of. He’s a prototypical shutdown defender, and Green isn’t found playing against Parise, Crosby, etc. I’d stick with Green/Schultz, because if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that if the price is right and his health decent, I don’t see why they wouldn’t do it – he’s significantly better than at least one of the Caps’ top six defenders, so he’d upgrade the position even if he just took #6 minutes.

But why does Mitchell need to be a top-pairing guy?

As for chemistry, he’d have six months to develop some. I’m not worried.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was going back to the discussion yesterday about how some people just don’t like Green / Schultz in that thought. To me, it all depends on what comes out on the ice this season. Remember, the Green / Mo pairing completely fell apart from season to season last year – it’s hard to tell what will happen. Who can say that Green / Schultz will work this year like it did last year?

I’m not too worried about chemistry either – I’m just pointing out that there’s always risks with a FA no matter what position or injury status. I see no reason not to go for it.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you on Green/Schultz. I just am not sure that the answers to “Who should Green be paired with?” and “Should the Caps sign Willie Mitchell?” are necessarily related.

I didn’t have a chance to follow yesterday’s discussion fully, but I assume that someone threw out the possibility of Green/Alzner. That’s my favored duo, certainly long-term. I think I could live with:

Green-Alzner
Carlson-Schultz
Poti-Mitchell

That would keep Mitchell’s minutes manageable at ES (and in a good shutdown pairing), he’d kill a ton of penalties, and hopefully be good to go come April.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t (or couldn’t) another alternative be:

Green-Schultz
Carlson-Poti
Mitchell-Alzner

That way the kids have a softer cushion to the pros with a paired vet to help them out?

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 4, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure. But why start worrying about that now?

I like Alzner with Green because I like the former’s mobility and defensive conscience (both of which I think he has or will have at a better level than Schultz).

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

What, me worried?

For the long term, sure. Corey alluded to a comment about Carlson benefitting from being paired with Poti, and maybe Alzner could use the same with a fellow BC’er, so I kind of stuck with me.

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 4, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s a drum I’ve been banging for years, to no avail, so thanks for picking up the beat.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

my favorite d-pair is

erskine – sloan

so long as it involves popcorn and not ice time.

is green-schultz the long terms solution at the top line, or is sarge just holding a spot for alzner? if the latter, why not let those two guys start the season and develop the chemistry? much like trying flash out at 2C, i dont think this team should have to worry about making the post season. they should be able to experiment a bit without hurting their chances.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 4, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly for long-term, I like that idea. I have to wonder, though – if this is Alzner’s first full year in the League, isn’t pairing him with Green throwing him into the fire? This is not to say that they won’t do that, only that it’s throwing him into the fire.

Fair enough on managing Mitchell’s minutes. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to consider the question of “where would he fit?”, though, when considering whether it would be a fair signing. For example, Tomas Kaberle would be a horrible idea despite being a UFA D-man with a big name, because he’s absolutely the type of D we don’t need.

Besides, it’s August :)

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alzner is well-seasoned in the AHL. Frankly, I don’t know how far behind Jeff Schultz circa October 2009 Alzner is right now. Guess we’ll see in a couple of months.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Guess we’ll find out in training camp. He certainly looked good in Game 7, but as we’ve all discovered, things change over the summer.

FTR, I’m not against it long-term at all – I think it’d be a very workable pairing. I’m just not sure yet whether Alzner’s ready to cover for GreenLife52.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the fact that Mitchell is automatically in the Caps top 6 makes it a good idea.

by mechanicsville on Aug 4, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is there a team in the league where a healthy Willie Mitchell isn’t in their top 6?

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Philly? Beyond that, probably no one. It’d be a tough call on Nashville’s, but I think he’d make it.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top 6? He’s in PHI’s top 6 and he may very well be in their top 3. Any team that has O’Donnell and Meszaros can’t claim to push Mitchell out of the top 6.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Note the question mark I placed. I’d play Meszaros over Mitchell…but thats why I’m not an NHL coach :p. Pronger/Timonen/Carle/Coburn/Meszaros/Mitchell, I suppose. For some reason I thought there was a decent sixth option for them. It’ll be O’Donnell or Matt Walker.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you like Meszaros it’s only because his obscurity has protected his reputation.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps. I didn’t see much of him in TB, you did.

And to further your point, Mitchell was still performing extremely capably before he got hurt. I see no reason why he won’t be able to carry a significant defensive burden for at least another year. This isn’t O’Donnell or Chelios we’re talking about.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mitchell is a more solid defender. To me Mez is a the highlight hit guy, but Willie is the guy who does all the hard work that no one ever gets credit for.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also think Mesz is prone to disappearing acts and OTT fans had him pegged as soft.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

They definitely know what that is.

by DonCaps819 on Aug 4, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect that which “pair” a Mitchell will reside upon (or any other Caps defenseman) will matter little this year. Green will get the most minutes (by virtue of his almost exclusive use on the power play among the defensemen), and the group will roughly split the even strength time among them. I suspect they’ll all get a share of PK minutes, too (although Green’s should be managed to offset all the time he gets on the power play). All of them have strengths and weaknesses that suggest no one of them deserves more ES minutes than any other one. The idea of a “top pair” might not apply to this team, in terms of minutes played.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is a very valid point. Since BB doesn’t do line matching and doesn’t believe in it, that’s probably a good thing for this team. I’m actually hoping that the addition of Carlson means that Green will spend less time on the PP this season (or at least not be out for the entire 2 minutes!)

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since BB doesn’t do line matching and doesn’t believe in it, that’s probably a good thing for this team.

While he doesn’t match forwards much, I do think he manages his defensemen with match-ups and certainly zone starts in mind.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s said that he expects everyone to play with everyone – but zone starts might be a better description of who he sends out when. Having that balance of D gives BB a lot more options.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if you take a look at how he managed guys like Green and Erskine – he hid the latter quite a bit, and even managed to keep Green from facing top competition and being on for many D-zone draws.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

So who in this lineup deals with the top guys?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poti/Mitchell?

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year it was Poti and Sarge.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much time did Poti and Sarge spend as a pair? I seem to recall not that much?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, not a ton (though it was Sarge’s second most-frequent ES pairing and Poti’s fifth). But throughout the various combos, they ended up with the highest 5-on-5 QualComp.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. What I’m aiming for here is – did BB use one pairing or two against the top guys?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if a lot of that heavy qualcomp for Poti-Schultz is ES time just following a PP, where the PP unit is still out.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 4, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or a PK where the other team’s PP is still on the ice.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I meant. PP for them.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 4, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, okay. Sorry, the coffee hasn’t fully kicked in yet.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great points, Peerless. Green’s ES partner doesn’t necessarily have to get a lot more ES time than the other D.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 4, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Further to that point, the Caps’ top-five D in ES TOI/G last year were within 2 minutes of one another. As a point of reference, the Champs had a spread of well over six minutes.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

So is that a good thing or a bad thing for the Caps?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s necessarily good or bad, other than to say that while Mike Green does have huge minute totals, it’s a bit deceptive in that so many of his minutes are relatively easy (read: PP) minutes.

But if you’d shown me those numbers before the playoffs, I’d have questioned whether a team with such heavy reliance on its Top-4 D (CHI) could withstand the rigors of the playoffs. Obviously they did.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another commentary on how crazy butch their blueline was, if anything.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

whether a team with such heavy reliance on its Top-4 D (CHI) could withstand the rigors of the playoffs.

The TOI for the playoffs is obviously even more top heavy…I’m just surprised at how much…they essentially played with 5 D with the 6/7 guysonly getting ~8 minutes per game.

by Yoshietree on Aug 4, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was it for the Flyers? Weren’t they also ridiculously top-heavy on D?

by Becca H on Aug 4, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…the top-4 all averaged over 20 per game with their 5 (Krajicek) getting ~10 minutes.

by Yoshietree on Aug 4, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we got Mitchell, I think he’d get 2nd pairing. Or possibly 3rd pairing – but it would be a nice 3rd pair. I would see the pairings as:

Green-Schultz
Poti-Alzner
Mitchell-Carlson

Poti and Mitchell could easily be switched. But all 3 are good pairs.

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by timmyv38 on Aug 4, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something I don’t understand about the RMNB article -

if we subtract Goals Against when the player is off the ice (per 60 minutes) from Goals Against when the player is on the ice (per 60 minutes) we can get an approximation of their defensive contribution after adjusting for Even Strength playing time.

Using this method would put Mitchell (-1.12) behind only current Caps’ defensemen Jeff Schultz (14.68), John Erskine (7.93) and Tom Poti (6.78).

If the formula is GAON/60 – GAOFF/60, and the result is a negative number, doesn’t that mean that the team allows more goals when the player is off the ice, and indicate that the player is a net-positive defender? I have to assume that the players cited on the Caps should therefore have negative numbers, in the context of the discussion.

But if the numbers show that Erskine is a better defender than Mitchell, something is wrong.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 4, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good nose, FD. Willie Mitchell is one of the best examples of how Qcomp stats lie. By either the Corsi-based measure or the on/off measure Mitchell doesn’t rate as very difficult competition. But you look at how he plays, how his team uses him, how the pundits and fans value him (which is not necessarily meaningful at all), and basically at how well he is regarded within the sport and you can’t really conclude that Mitchell is easy competition. Brian Campbell is rated as much, much more difficult competition than Willie Mitchell, but I know which guy I’d rather have AO on the ice against.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the formula is GAON/60 – GAOFF/60, and the result is a negative number, doesn’t that mean that the team allows more goals when the player is off the ice, and indicate that the player is a net-positive defender?

If the team allows two goals per 60 when you’re on the ice and three goals per 60 when you’re off it (net minus-one), it means you’re better than your teammates.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

How would Schultz have 14.68 though? He has to be explaining wrong or have numbers wrong.

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by timmyv38 on Aug 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m reading as GAOFF/60 – GAON/60, rather than GAON/60 – GAOFF/60.

by David Getz on Aug 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you read “if we subtract Goals Against when the player is off the ice … from Goals Against when the player is on the ice” that way?

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As per F&B : “…Brian Campbell is rated as much, much more difficult competition than Willie Mitchell, but I know which guy I’d rather have AO on the ice against.”

And I know which guy I’d rather have Malkin on the ice against. If only for a little something that rhymes with “Hey Jack”

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by Rather Bengt on Aug 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sleepily and incorrectly?

by David Getz on Aug 4, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

for those interested in the Theodore-to-Nashville talk

It looks as if that doesn’t have legs – yet:

Another veteran goaltender still on the market and who could provide a veteran presence is Jose Theodore, but Poile said he has not spoken to him.

"We have not talked to him at all, no," he said.

With restricted free agents Patric Hornqvist and Cody Franson still unsigned, the Predators want to see what the financial impact of getting those two players back in the fold will be before opening up the checkbook to a goaltender from the outside. Poile said he does have an amount he envisions paying a backup, but that is subject to change.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

But, but… I read it on the internet, it MUST have been true!

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think its still a very strong possibility, because he’s the best fit, but there’s not really a way to do it before more important players get signed.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope something happens there for Theo. I have a soft spot for Nashville, and the Blue Bird Cafe.

by Seminrocks on Aug 4, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just kidding around on the fact that based on your reporting, that had been flying around over the past few days, and now you’re showing the GM saying it isn’t true. Then again, as we all know, GM’s tend to blur the truth at times. And we all like to pick on internet reporting.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

It had been talked about all over Twitter (I know, I know), and several ‘decent’ sources said there had been talks. It makes sense, but I don’t think GMDP wants to show his hand. It still wouldn’t surprise me if someone in the organization, if not Poile, has made a call to gauge Theo’s interest. Anyway, wait and see. If we get through camp with a goalie who’s never suited up in the NHL at backup, I’ll be very shocked.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been in DC and trying to unravel GMGM talk too long. I read “We have not talked to him at all, no” and immediately thought, well, he doesn’t say he hasn’t talked to his agent!

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that was precisely the thought I had

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by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo, same here. I think he’s been contacted, we just can’t offer anything yet.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, reading GMGM 101.

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by Bman21212 on Aug 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

“haven’t talked to him [the player]” =/= “haven’t talked to the player’s agent”, for what that’s worth.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or, what Red Birdie said.

Starting out to be another bangup morning of FD posts here at The Rink.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN

Do people really trust what they say about anything anymore?

by David Huzzard on Aug 4, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Relating to hockey? Not really. LeBrun occasionally says something intelligent, but he’s vulnerable to memes.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do. LeBrun is great and phenomenally well-sourced, and the Puck Prospectus guys offer some interesting numerical analyses.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree about LeBrun, and Tom Awad certainly has more credibility than ESPN as a whole. But just in reading that first blurb (no way I’m paying for anything from ESPN) I’m not buying the claim. Of course Niemi is going to have a higher GVT than Varlamov or Neuvirth. It’s not a rate stat and he played in almost as many games as the two of them combined in the regular season (39 for Niemi, 40 for Varlavirth) and way more games in the playoffs.

Throw in the differences between the Washington and Chicago defenses and any comparisons between Niemi and the Caps goalies based only on numbers has to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

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by Killer_Carlson on Aug 4, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree. I just think ESPN’s stuff – like anyone else’s – should be dismissed on a case-by-case basis, and not summarily.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

At the same time, reputation does matter. They’ve spent at least a decade ensuring they have zero credibility within the hockey community and now that they are starting to make baby steps you can’t expect people to forget that.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree. I think that using a blanket statement about the outlet is unfair when they employ some truly fantastic (and nearly unimpeachable) journos, like Lebrun.

OK, just Lebrun.

But Burnside has his moments, Buccigross has always been a good friend to the sport, and their on-air talent (Melrose, Barnaby, etc.) can be somewhat insightful as well.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. From a rational perspective everything should be judged on its merits and not the author, but people don’t work that way.

Bucci has definitely been a friend to the sport and I wish he’d push ESPN to bring NHL players into their commercials, but for some reason I haven’t been able to stomach him much since around 2005…

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d add Saunders, Amber, and Cohn as friends as well.

My dislike for the network has less to do with their hockey coverage and more to what Bodenheimer has turned that network into which is a hype and controversy machine.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not a fan, but he’s at least a guy you can count on to be positive and not make Kornheiser/Wilbon-esque cracks about the game.

But I think that ESPN’s online content is basically Lebrun, Burnside and some stat-y Insider stuff, no? There’s not much “garbage” there, IMO, and where the garbage really exists is in their editing (using the old logo, etc.) moreso than in content.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

E.J. Hradek occasionally writes for them, and I like his stuff. Most of the time.

by Wheeler on Aug 4, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah. Hradek’s good too.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Hradek, in a goofy way (disclaimer: he’s on NHL Live a lot). But they really could dump Burnside. Maybe I’m biased because I feel like anything he writes about the Caps is garbage, but I’d like to think it’s more than that.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hradek is like the goofy kid you used to hang with when you were young. He’s a fun guy, but he’s hard to take seriously.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. For so long it was just not a priority for the management so they didn’t even have quality staff to work with. Now they have good staff, but it’s still not a huge priority for the management. Whatever quality they have behind the Insider wall is going to be lost on most hockey fans because ESPN doesn’t have the cache to charge for hockey coverage when there is so much great content for free.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. It’s gotta be a delicate balance for them from a business perspective, given their past (and potentially future) partnership with the League.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given the partnership ni the works between Comcast and NBC Universal, I suspect ESPN will be hard-pressed to get a share of that pie.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the more reason for them not to promote someone else’s content, no?

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you take your title as “worldwide leader in sports” seriously. The premier sports news agency in North America should probably cover the sport because that’s their job, but I understand the financials cloud the situation.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what F&B is suggesting is that they need to start making their hockey content free in order to build their reputation as a reliable and informed source before they can start charging and reasonably expect people to pay for it. It’s the law of supply and demand – right now, because of their reputation, there isn’t much demand for their hockey content except as a curiosity and a laugh. In order to create the demand, they’re going to have to showcase what they’ve got and rebuild their reputation.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But where’s their interest in doing so? They carry NFL, MLB and NBA games, so when they cover those sports, part of the coverage is really just advertising and promoting their product. Cover the NHL and you have the respect of a few more puckheads while pumping the tires of someone else’s product.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only way I could see if if they want to bid for it with the league in the coming year. Otherwise.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even then, their best play would be to have interest and ratings in the League as low as possible, no?

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

How so? I don’t follow.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The worse the League’s ratings are, the cheaper their broadcast rights will be.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So nobody covers it unless they cover it? NBC really has an upper hand here on this one, since they at least look like they know what they’re talking about.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure ESPN’s execs know what they’re talking about when it comes to broadcast rights.

And no, not so no one will cover it if they don’t, but so bidding starts at X rather than X+Y.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

They only carry MNF, so their NFL coverage is way out of proportion to what they actually need to advertise. I think they are mostly offering what people are most interested in, with a side of offering of promoting their own coverage. Sadly, NHL just isn’t that popular.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet if I recall correctly, NHL ticket sales outpace NBA ticket sales.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with them covering things that they have an economic interest in.

Notice how they might show highlights of a meaningless White Sox-A’s game on a Friday because one or both of the teams is playing on Sunday night baseball.

That’s good business.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This may be because most people find hockey difficult to follow on television. The difference between hockey live vs. on TV is much greater than in any other sport.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is very true, but after I attended my first two or three live games, I found that I was much more adept at following the game closely on TV.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but the casual fan may not know that or have the experience.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unrelated: basketball sucks.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unrelated: basketball the NBA sucks.

FTFY

by TJA on Aug 4, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, I don’t disagree with that – it’s always going to be mostly demand-driven… which is another reason they’re not interested in the NHL.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet we all still watch ESPN because it is still the go-to for news. Sometimes I hate it with the fury of 1,000 suns too for the way they hype up controversial stories as opposed to giving us nuts and bolts analysis, but a lot of it is related to the fact that there’s simply a lot more air time to fill these days.

by Kolzilla on Aug 4, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, with Twitter, I’ve been watching less and less Sports Center these days. I don’t get breaking news there. ESPN is basically a highlight show for me.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point about twitter really being the source for breaking news now. I usually watch NFL network first because it’s so much more tolerable than ESPN. Then I go to Sports Center once I’ve finish with the NFL network news show. I’m not usually missing any hockey news if I happen to skip Sports Center. Although lately it has been fun every morning to hear how yet again ARod hasn’t hit his 600th homer so I guess Sports Center is worth something.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I barely watch ESPN anymore unless its a live program or a 30 for 30 film that looks interesting. I used to watch Sportscenter all the time back in the day when it used to be about news and highlights.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to watch Sportscenter constantly. Now, I might catch it occasionally – if nothing else is on.

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by timmyv38 on Aug 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think in some ways their hockey coverage is better than their coverage of other sports, precisely because it’s all wonks like Lebrun and Burnside and there’s relatively little of the Bodenheimer hype and controversy machine stuff.

Benign neglect after hiring good folks like Lebrun may be a good thing

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by Gould Old Days on Aug 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t see what is behind the ESPN wall of commerce, but I really — and I mean really — don’t like the idea of Niemi in a Caps uniform.

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by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t see what is behind the ESPN wall of commerce

4,002 articles on an indecisive QB.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That few? I hate this time of year; round the clock training camp coverage. Whoopee.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that few. The indecisive QB is fighting for attention right now with Day Six of the Fat DT Can’t Pass His Fitness test Saga.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is 55 minutes of Sportscenter coverage right there.

/squealing WWL producer background noise

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

For those who can’t get “inside”, here are the five teams (in order of likelihood) where Awad sees Niemi landing:
1.Washington
2.Edmonton
3.Montreal
4.San Jose
5.Islanders

by b.orr4 on Aug 4, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like the Islanders should be higher. They’ll claim they don’t need a goalie, but we all know DiPietro isn’t going to play. And a nice fat contract will solve their cap floor problem.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

My feelings exactly. The Islanders have a ton of cap space, a 29-year old, perpetually injured goalie in DiPietro and a soon-to-be 41-year old relic in Roloson. Niemi would be a perfect fit and a huge upgrade there.

by b.orr4 on Aug 4, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t the Isles already have, like, 8 goaltenders?

by mechanicsville on Aug 4, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is DiPietro going to retire already? I’m surprised he’s still around, even though he is relatively young.

by reesem37 on Aug 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he retires, then he doesn’t get the $$ he’s getting until that big contract expires…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s worse than worthless

by reesem37 on Aug 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really see how it makes sense for the Caps to get Niemi. They already have enough young goalies in the fold, and I don’t see Niemi being a better option in net for the Caps than either Varlamov or Neuvirth. I really don’t like the idea of Niemi cause I’m not positive he’s that much of an upgrade for the price.

by reesem37 on Aug 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is exactly where I am with it. I’m all over the idea of Mitchell, but Niemi I can do without.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it was BSH that called Lebrun the hardest working journalist in hockey this summer, and it’s hard to disagree.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I find it a tad interesting that Flash still is not listed on the Caps roster on their website, even though DJ King has been added. Is this just an oversight?

by Seminrocks on Aug 4, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

oh please be a trade, I would like that eversomuch

/reading way too much into semantics

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by Addison H. on Aug 4, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe flash hasnt officially signed his new deal? interesting that brian fahey is listed on the caps roster despite having a two way deal and clearly headed for hershey.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 4, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s probably because the webmaster was on vacation, and no one has yet pointed out the omission. Guess that will change now.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wondered that, too, but it was pointed out here some weeks ago. That was when Fahey first showed up, and now King was just added. I imagine it’s just an oversight, but hoping for the secret message with the decoder ring.

by Seminrocks on Aug 4, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

New Drinking Game

Everytime some reporter has Niemi coming to Washington, we all knock back a shot of Jack Daniels. I figure we’re all drunk by about 5:00. Seriously, do all these guys know something we don’t or is it just follow the pack journalism?

by b.orr4 on Aug 4, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

No one can believe that a team with Stanley Cup aspirations can go into a season with two goalies who, combined, have a total of 73 games of experience (regular season and playoffs).

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by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yet, coming into the season, Niemi only had 3 games of NHL experience.

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by Steck It Out on Aug 4, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 game veteran, more NHL playoff experience than Holtby and he’s available for about 3x the cost of Varlamov or Neuvirth. Niemi is a massive upgrade in every category from number of Stanley Cups, cost and intangibles over all of the Capitals goalies.

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by sydtron on Aug 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well played.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly…

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by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Niemi only had 3 games of NHL experience.

Stop interjecting facts into the storyline. We’ve got insider subscriptions to sell.

by b.orr4 on Aug 4, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pesky facts and damn kids. :P

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s a number for you… four.

That is how many times Semyon Varlamov has allowed more than three goals in 19 playoff games.

That is how many times Niemi allowed more than three goals in one playoff series last season.

The finals (three times in his last four games).

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by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now THAT’s a telling number.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s also how many playoff series Niemi has been on the winning side of…

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I figure we’re all drunk by about 5:00 lunch

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

If mentions here count, you are spot on.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Peerless, I just read your milestones post. It’s interesting that BB has only five more games as head coach (225) than Mike Green has career points (220). So Mike’s gone a little more than a point-per-game under BB’s tenure.

And IIRC Mike Green scored the very first goal of the Bruce Boudreau Era.

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by EmilyB on Aug 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

7th highest-tenured coach in the league.

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 4, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess the advice is that if you’re an NHL coach, rent don’t buy?

by b.orr4 on Aug 4, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re a pro sports coach that’s the advice, but that little nugget always trips me out.

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 4, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no way of knowing but I wonder how the tenure of NHL coaches stacks up against their counterparts in baseball, basketball and football. Hockey just seems to chew up and spit out NHL coaches on a daily basis.

by b.orr4 on Aug 4, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

In quickly looking at basketball for a comparable schedule, Bruce’d be just looking outside the Top 10.

Of the NHL coaches above him, only Babcock and Carlyle have won a Cup with their current teams (I think).

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by Bald Pollack on Aug 4, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

This site has some numbers.

Average tenure across all 4: 3.3 seasons
Average tenure for NHL: 2.3 seasons
NBA: 3.2
NFL: 3.6
MLB: 4

and 77% of all NHL coaches won’t even hit at 2.3 season mark. A few longer tenured coaches are skewing the average, it appears.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lindy Ruff and Barry Trotz are seemingly untouchable. Trotz has been at the helm for 11 years, Ruff longer.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

And, oddly enough, their GM’s are just as entrenched.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

And one of those situations I understand, the other I don’t.

I understand the two offices having a great relationship, and even appreciate it, but when it comes between good business I’d get pissed.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which one don’t you understand?

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d amend that statement, actually – I have some problems with both situations, Buffalo moreso than Nashville.

I really don’t know how Ruff has gone as long as he has without some major scrutiny. He and Regier have been given more than enough chances to turn that squad into a champion, and when Ruff had the pieces, he failed. I guess he’s just riding the 1999 wave. I see Buffalo as annual underperformers, whereas at least the Predators exceed expectations.

As for Trotz and Poile, I’m running out of patience with Barry, but understand why he’s still around. I don’t think that management could find any truly better option, and he’s consistently made lemonade with no lemons, or whatever. Getting rid of him now would just tear down everything we’ve established thus far. Poile has assembled some pretty amazing rosters considering the internal constraints. Three 100 point teams with a budget thats typically >10m under the cap is nothing to sneeze at.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ruff is a great coach and if anyone should go there it’s Regier. But Regier has generally operated on a very stingy budget and the Sabres have managed to get to a Cup, and then get to two ECFs when they had Briere and Drury there. The one time they gave Ruff some high end talent, he got them pretty damn close. Then the team melted down and he hasn’t had much to work with since. Sure, they pay Vanek like he’s elite, and some days he is, but after that the offense drops off pretty steeply.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I should’ve clarified – I’d dump GMDR way before Ruff.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, some of those Sabres teams in the late 90’s had no business being in the playoffs, let alone deep in the postseason, save for the play of Dominik Hasek. You can indict GMDR for that, but those teams really were Dominik and Diddly-Squat.

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by Knee high to a duck on Aug 4, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice pull. So the NHL really is the worst for coaches and by a significant percentage.

by b.orr4 on Aug 4, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you scroll to the bottom of the link, they have a list of “Least Stable Coaching Jobs by Franchise.” 13 franchises, 8 of them are NHL teams. The longest on that list? a mere 1.7 years. The Devils, by the way, lead all major pro teams. Over their 35 years, coaches last an average of 1.2 seasons.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re like drummers for Spinal Tap.

by Becca H on Aug 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You mean Devils coaches have spontaneously combusted and died in gardening accidents??? Oooooh….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Choked on someone else’s vomit.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

you can’t exactly dust for….well…you get the meme…

by bilspacecadet on Aug 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

When you’ve got one of the best goalies ever, you can afford to change coaches.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats insane. Gotta figure coaches make $1M on average? Probably sign a 2-3 year deal. That means that at any one time (on average, fudging the numbers to make things round) NJ could be spending nearly $3M per year on three coaches, while only actually getting the services. I wonder if clubs with cash flow issues have higher coaching tenures…

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by renstar on Aug 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Nashville is at the top of the Most Stable, with one coach for all 11 years of the franchise’s existance.

I’m surprised to see the St. Louis Cardinals on the Least Stable List—since 1980, they’ve had three managers—Herzog, Torre, and LaRussa. And they’ve had a history of long-tenured managers, with Schoendienst with 11 seasons, Billy Southworth with 5, Frankie Frisch with 5, and Branch Rickey with 6. But a run of short-timers early in their history and in the 1950s combined with their 100+ history apparently dragged that average down…but I find it hard to believe it would drag it down to less than an average of two seasons. It’s one of those cases where I’d like to see the numbers, especially if they’re counting interm coaches who weren’t ever hired permamently.

The Sabres, even with Ruff’s tenure, have the same issue—they went through coaches like tissue paper early in their existance.

by Forsch31 on Aug 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

run the numbers—their list has lots of inaccuracies.

by bilspacecadet on Aug 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s interesting stuff, but there doesn’t seem to be too much on the methodology—are interim coaches counted? What about when a coach is suspended for a game (Tortorella/Schoenfeld)?

The Devils are supposedly the team with the most turnover, but the numbers seem to indicate they’ve had 29 head coaches in 35 years (35/1.2). Wikipedia says it’s 14, 18 if you count guys coming back for a second stint (like Lou’s second run at head coach, an interim stint of 3 games).

Something’s weird with that article.

by bilspacecadet on Aug 4, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

About interm coaches…it seems they’re counting anyone who ever been the head coach, even if they weren’t named to the position permamently. And that completely defeats whatever analysis that article is attempting.

by Forsch31 on Aug 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce was hired on Thanksgiving 2007. By Thanksgiving 2008, he was the longest tenured coach in the Southeast Division.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Almost… Green is 65-133-198, plus 77 in 204 games under Boudreau.

And yes, he did score the first goal of the Boudreau era — 2:27 into the first period against Philadelphia (Backstrom, Poti); Caps won, 4-3 in overtime.

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by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a Nicky Backstrom goal. Heh.

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by EmilyB on Aug 4, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait. A plus-77? Good gravy.

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by EmilyB on Aug 4, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

IT"S ONLY CUZ OF ALL THE GAOLS OVECHKINS SCORES AND GREENS ON THE ICE!! GO FLYERS!!!11

by reesem37 on Aug 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

AND ITS THE SOUTHEAST DIVISION1

gO fLYERZZZZ

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like southLEAST heh

by reesem37 on Aug 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

New source of entertainment

Watching the price of Winter Classic tickets on ebay. Keep in mind that Penguins STH’s don’t know their seats yet.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

What’s it at now?

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I can tell, the cheapest asking price is around $300 ea. Some look as high as $1,000.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

That saddens me. Hopefully I’ll be able to find a second pair from a Caps fan at face.

by Yoshietree on Aug 4, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you check the ticket exchange?

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

:) absolutely….and I saw your note…I just haven’t gotten around to sending out e-mails yet (no gmail at work recently)

by Yoshietree on Aug 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I need to take mine down, gfcapsfan will be enjoying my seats.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

And thanks for that. Will have to bring you back a souvenir of some kind (aside from a win, of course).

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

wins are always good!

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Birdie! Sorry you aren’t able to go :(

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by dinasaur on Aug 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet Jesus, I could double my money?!

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by boutros23 on Aug 4, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

but you risk selling to a Penguins fan!

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure there’s going to be a buttload of them there anyway. That’s the biggest reason I won’t be there.

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by boutros23 on Aug 4, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

When this was first announced I told my Pens fan co-worker I was going and the look of shock I got from him was priceless – he was like “you’re going?? But…you’ll get shot!”

Of course now that I have my ticket he’s trying to walk it back which is nice of him I suppose. You know, telling me I probably won’t be shot. Much appreciated, Pens boy.

by Becca H on Aug 4, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve got your back – at least until a real gun is pulled and then you are on your own.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, you won’t get shot in Pittsburgh. That’s Philly. Pens fans will probably just give you verbal crap. (I’ve attended games in both cities.)

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the North Shore (where Heinz Field is) is pretty insulated.

Take a wrong turn or two from Consol/Mellon and you can end up in pretty bad neighborhoods.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 4, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read the words North Shore and Heinz Field in the same sentence and was totally confused.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking Chicago?

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. There is only true one in my mind.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Big Island?

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nostalgia rec for Waimea.

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 4, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

As BP mentions above that is Waimea Bay on the North Shore. North Shore is on Oahu, not the Big Island.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fudge. That’s what I meant. I’ve been out that direction. My sister got married at the Turtle Bay Hilton.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! I wish I had been invited to your sister’s wedding. Turtle Bay is a beautiful property with gorgeous views. That property is no longer a Hilton property by the way.

We Arizonans love the North Shore. Just ask the great surfing legend Rick Kane.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spent a lot of time at Waimea. Incredible shore breaks. Pipeline, Sunset….just an amazing stretch of beaches on the North Shore. Also partial to Kailua on the east side.

by Cluster on Aug 4, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to rub it in, but I’m off to Hawaii on Friday. Woo hoo!!!!

by SOIBF Caps on Aug 4, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

nods I have friends in Cranberry, si I was staying there and getting back onto the freeway to get back took us through some pretty dicey areas. We were in the car tho.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’ll get more than that. Easily. Selling them will probably help pay for a couple of playoff rounds.

These tickets are so unique in their value and demand, I’m taking mine to the secondary market and not looking back. Especially when the WC is coming here in a couple of years. Even more so when I know what Pittsburgh is like in January.

by Cluster on Aug 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im with you Cluster, If I could double what I paid for them, that would be a huge help with my season tickets. It looks like there are upper level pairs going for over $700 on ebay already.

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by Addison H. on Aug 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

As am I. I only have one ticket, but selling them looks like an idea.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. I have to believe the market is going to come down.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure somehow you’ll find a way to get the inside track on a pair of tickets. ;)

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by bigeugene on Aug 4, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your guess is as good as mine.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is it that Caps STHers know where their seats are, but Pens STHers don’t?

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Weird, isn’t it? I wonder how many of them will sell. I’d also expect their purchase price to be lower than ours, as it replaces a home game in their season ticket package, but I could be completely wrong.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are the sections for Caps fans? I want to make sure I buy in the right section.

FWIW – I think the prices will come down. People will decide not to go for any of a variety of reasons. With 70K plus tickets, anyone that really wants one will be able to get one, although no guarantee of cost.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

we’re scattered all over the place, as far as I know.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

That really bites. Your tickets in 534 look good from a visibility section, but the last thing I want is to show up in Caps regalia among many Pens fans.

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given that we’ll all be bundled up in parkas, it’s going to be tough to rock the red. They’d better be including hats and gloves in Classic merchandise, though.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know there will be a few hearty souls in t-shirts and shorts or even no-shirts. Depends on the alcohol flow.

In reality, some silk long underwear, a wool seater under the jersey, flannel lined pants, and wool socks might just do the trick, unless we’re looking at some sub-zero temperatures.

Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!

by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is a chance it’s not that cold there, too. Checking the weather on January 1 over the last 4 or 5 years it looks like they range anywhere from high 20s to mid-50s, most of them closer to the latter.

I’m hoping for 38 degrees – cold enough for the ice to be decent but not cold enough to freeze.

by Becca H on Aug 4, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

And don’t forget that the adrenaline will be pumping a bit, as will your choice of beer, harder stuff or hot chocolate.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember that alcohol only makes you think you’re warm. I worry more about my feet being cold than anything else. And that’s in spite of really nice warm boots, that never seem to be as warm as they were advertised (Canadian made with a sub-zero rating).

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget, Heinz Field is pretty much a gigantic wind tunnel. 30 degrees isn’t that cold, but it feels cold as hell when the wing is whipping by at 30 MPH.

I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.

by iwearstripes on Aug 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point. I’m in the end zone that’s closed off, would that make it more or less windy?

Whatevs, I’m bringing a blanket and a space heater and a sherpa.

by Becca H on Aug 4, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should just bring a tauntaun.

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by boutros23 on Aug 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Revealing my geekdom, did you know there’s a sleeping bag in the shape of one now?

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

And no, I don’t own one, I just read about it.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is Very Significant Geekdom

No way I’d have known what a tauntaun is without Googling.

In fact, I still don’t know what it is.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HOLY HELL I WANT ONE

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by Steck It Out on Aug 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

That will keep you warm in Maine, but I’m afraid it will limit your ability to attract the ladies.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, they smell bad on the outside

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 4, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

thinkgeek.com has them. No, I don’t own one, but yes, I have bought stuff from there. A number of times. Yes, I am a geek lol.

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by timmyv38 on Aug 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah… the nerd in me said to Rec this… so I did

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 4, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

more, I think. The wind will come right off the rivers and blast you in the face.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re just off to the side of the open end, do you still get that effect? If so, my seat sucks even worse than before.

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by timmyv38 on Aug 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be there and warm even if it's -45

and yes, I have a red caps jersey that will fit over that coat.

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by zephyr on Aug 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm ready...as long as no one knocks me over

And… it’s RED!

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by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

A trick I’ve picked up at Lambeau Field in the winter…handwarmers in the gloves, foot warmers in the boots and if it’s really cold, get some of those stick on back heating pad thingies. You can use a couple under all the layers, and they really help keep your core warm.

by funkyceili79 on Aug 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

The dad in me will add one more thing – have a good hat.

Back in the day, I spent three winters in Russia and found my muskrat hat to be indispensable and make a huge difference.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

This convo requires that Karl Alzner picture…

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by EmilyB on Aug 4, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a good time for the Caps to launch a red, Caps logo-ed Snuggie.

by SOIBF Caps on Aug 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d guess they won’t really come down much until right before the event, for people who unexpectedly have to sell.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I more productive in the summer...

when I avoid reading and commenting on hockey as much as possible? And when i’m not watching something 3-4 times a week for 2.5-4 hours (including recaps)?

As it turns out, yes. Much more so.

Is any of that stuff profitable or helping my life?

As it turns out, no.

Before I begin ranting and raving, I’d just like to say that the guy i used to poo on the most (relative) is likely gonna retire, if he’s smart: Brendan Witt. He’s not smart, and some team might take a chance on him for depth, as a 6 or 7, but if you can’t make it on last years Long Island team (or the 05 Caps), you can’t make it anywhere, sort of the inverse of Manhattan.

The Way is riddled with deep, dark holes.

by The Jade Donkey on Aug 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Just a little housekeeping,

Will the Caps visit the Devils on March 18, the hosts will be decked out in their Christmas Tree finery. One would assume that the Caps would rock their Winter Classic retro look for the game. [Fire & Ice]

I think you meant to say When the Caps…. but you know, just a thought.

by jaytown99 on Aug 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I was already thinking of going up to a Caps game at the Rock this season. This would be a good reason to go (it’s also a Friday night).

by Wheeler on Aug 4, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much are tickets up there? I think I want to try doing a road game somewhere and that seems like a fairly non-intimidating place (relatively speaking) to attempt it.

Or, you know, I could look it up myself and NOT be a lazy ass. :)

by Becca H on Aug 4, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps mildly OT, but the wife and I are mulling hitting the ATL game before the home opener, as there’s supposedly some good air+hotel packages.

It takes...something? Anything?!?

by Bald Pollack on Aug 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I paid something in the $30s apiece for nosebleed center ice last season.

The Rock’s nice. So are the fans I was sitting near. I thoroughly enjoyed chat and trask talk with the Devils fan next to me.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

One warning – the neighborhood the Rock is in…not so nice.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Part of the reason I was thinking of going is that it’s a very short walk from the train station.

Also, I live in a not-so-nice part of DC, so I think I can handle myself. :)

by Wheeler on Aug 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it is. It’s not that bad. We were in a hotel that wasn’t walkable, though. Not a mistake I will make again.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rock is a good choice for a non-intimidating place to do a road game. So are either of the Florida games (preference for Sunrise over Tampa Bay). RBC Center is a little intimidating. I loved Nassau Coliseium’s people but what a dump o.o

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a long drive, but STL is about an unintimidating as they come. Fans sitting towards the glass moved out of the way during pre-game warm-ups so that fans in Caps jerseys could get closer. Ushers gladly let anyone towards the glass for warm-ups regardless of where the actual seat was.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s awesome. Nassau was the same, and the VC is like that as well except in the case of a few key jerkoffs.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW – there’s also a protocol back. If I get hospitality back, then I don’t get rude in return.

At one game against the Sabres last year, a family in black Sabres jerseys cheered loudly and rudely against the Blues and for the Sabres in our ears the whole game. Cheer for your team, but respect where you are.

One other story — when Dallas Drake was the captain of the Blues, his wife and kids sat right behind the tickets I split. The seats to their right were not held by season ticket holders. One night, Mrs. Drake shows up with three kids under 10 and guys to her right start ragging on Dallas the entire game. Really badly. She sat there calmly all game. It was all I could do not to say something. Maybe I should have.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sabres fans can be pretty obnoxious.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I learned this when I attended a Caps-Sabres game at VC in April 2009.

Rocking the Red since 1975

by CapsFan75 on Aug 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Ottawa’s but it is not for the acrophobic.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m vacationing in Florida in December, and disappointed that the Panthers are out of town that week. In fact, they’ll be in DC for a game. Boo.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fans in the RBC are very vocal and very noisy, but I never felt intimidated when I was there. They were quite courteous and were very pleasant folks….just loud.

Pittsburgh fans in Pittsburgh are loud, obnoxious and can be rude, but they are also very aware that their right to be rude ends in your personal space. After the game, they’re actually rather pleasant.

Philly is the only visiting rink I’ve ever been afraid in, and I was in a Group of 40 Caps fans!

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t find that with Pittsburgh. I had …. issues. Of course. that was the playoffs, too.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

OF COURSE Mitchell is an upgrade to our dcorps. it’s either him, Slow-n or erskine. Heck, I’D be an upgrade to our defensive corps

(totally kidding rant over, I’d be killed in the NHL, and that’s just getting on to the ice for warm ups)

by 8vechkin on Aug 4, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Mitchell if healthy is better than Erskine or Sloan. That he missed half a season and the playoffs recovering from a concussion makes the “if healthy” clause in that sentence the big issue.

Personally, I’d make him an offer and see if he can play. If he’s not healthy, then he goes on the long term injury, he’s off the cap, and the Caps insurance company pays him.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 4, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

you’re very generous with ted’s money! i would imagine it would be tough to insure that contract given his recent history. but i would agree that for a reasonable sum and short term, it would be a good risk.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or, as Vogs suggests, just bank the cap space and see how the kids do. Mitchell isnt likely to accept an offer that wouldnt eat up the majority of the Caps remaining $4.4 Million in cap room. Let someone else run the risk of Mitchell relapsing after a hard hit – I wish him nothing but the best, but cap space is such a luxury now, and injuries are so unpredictable, to have that flexibilty is almost worht more than the actual $4.4 million, if that makes sense.

by S h a g g y on Aug 4, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hate to underestimate the stupidity of NHL GM’s, but do you really think he can get $4M+?

cleary his health and the terms of any deal will dictate whether it would be a good move or not, but balking on him because he could get hurt again is the type of risk aversion that i think will hurt this team. if they dont think he’s fully recovered and/or he’s looking for a long term deal for top $, then fine, take a pass and go with the kids.

but if he’s healthy and willing to sign a short term reasonable deal, then its a good risk to take. any player can get hurt in this game. remember that “seeing how the kids do” includes either erskine or sloan as your number 6 dman…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 4, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly – it’s doubtful that the Caps would insure Mitchell’s contract (either through the League insurance or separately), since it’d be so cheap and short-term (presumably). Interesting read on the topic, generally, here.

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

from reading that, it sounds like even if the caps wanted to insure mitchells contract, the insurer would not pay any claims related to head injuries.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Save your eyeballs.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 4, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems too cursory for real analysis.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tons of depth, huh?

Seems like filler during the summer.

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by STLSpidey on Aug 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much. Not much is happening in hockey right now.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posting a preview now is really a fool’s errand. The teams aren’t close to set yet.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick, Becca, cancel this afternoon’s post!

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by J.P. on Aug 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posting a preview now is really a fool’s errand boredom exercise.

Fixed.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

On target. A preview post is ust like all the comments posts today. A way to pass the time. It’s August and we’ll take whatever we can get.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 4, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

bq Posting a preview now is really a fool’s errand. The teams aren’t close to set yet just the sort of thing to while away the hours in these dog days of August

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by ThePeerless on Aug 4, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry vtcapsfan99 I struck out on finding pics of Nicklas.
NHL.com got an article about the game in English.
I had a twitter convo last night with the guy that wrote the Icebreaker article JP linked to. It’s the same guy that provided the great potato barn pic from yesterdays clips thread.
Here’ some translated tweets with stuff that didn’t make the article.

Nicklas played the whole game with an Atlanta Thrashers-t-shirt under his jersey

Either he didn’t have money to buy one for himself or he borrowed one from Tobias Enström

Bäckis and Foppa found each other well on the ice. The present and the past on the ice together

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Nicky’s a pro at living out of another man’s suitcase while he’s on the road. But really Nicky, the Thrashers???

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by EmilyB on Aug 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

would you prefer to see Nicky in the Sex and Love are the Future t-shirt? Or ripped jeans?

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the update, IW. No problem on the lack of a picture. Pretty funny that Nicky had to wear a Thrashers t-shirt under his jersey. I guess he forgot to pack a spare t-shirt. That potato barn pic was great:) Reminded me of growing up in the midst of corn and soybean fields.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bäckis and Foppa found each other well on the ice. The present and the past on the ice together

What an evocative quote. Love it.

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by cuqui on Aug 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

What an evocative quote. Love it.

That’s how I felt when I read it. It has this melancholic, bittersweet feel to it. I wasn’t sure if I had manage to transfer that feeling properly so thank you, your comment means a lot.

Pft why play a small French guy when you have a Svensk viking.

by Malin A on Aug 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Chris Smith" controversy in Buffalo

Much angst in Buffalo about the release of Tim Kennedy, local boy and 6th round draft pick who made it to the NHL on the basis of grit and pluck and who was unceremoniously bought ought out yada, etc, and so on. You know the story line.

FWIW, the team’s explanation made sense to me. He plays left wing, there’s a logjam at that position, and we were willing to pay him $750 or so, and we expected him to get around that in an arb award. When he got more than that, well, we aren’t willing to pay that kind of money to a guy that’s going to battle for 4th line minutes. It’s a capped environment, and every $100K counts.

The most damning indictment is the misread on the arb outcome, and the subsequent loss of an asset for nothing. Or, worse than nothing. BUF will pay Kennedy (and take a cap hit) for him to play elsewhere. Not good management.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 4, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s a capped environment, and every $100K counts.

So they’d rather pay $167k this year AND next to avoid paying about $250k more than they wanted to this season? And every dollar does count, for budget and cap reasons, but Buffalo’s in a fairly rabid market (they’re usually #1 or #2 in TV ratings) and they’re sitting $5 million+ under the salary cap, with no really important RFA’s still to be signed.

That’s a good decision for them – spreading $334,000 over two years for a player that won’t play for you, rather than spending about $250,000 more this year than they wanted?

Doesn’t make much sense to me either.

Also Kennedy’s cap hit (after bonuses) was $850k last season. I don’t have the numbers, but not many players actually take a pay hit coming out of the usually salary inflating process of arbitration. Granted, the cost is just $167k this year and next, but they really should have traded him before July 15 if they weren’t going to go above a salary of $750k.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kenney’s salary last year was $635,000, so the 750 would have been a nice little raise for him.

by David Getz on Aug 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bonuses were $215,000 — some of which invariably are for games played. He probably didn’t hit the $850k total, but I bet he made more than his salary. He also hit 10 goals which may have triggered a bonus too.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s a difference of paying $167K this year (and next) versus paying $1M this year…so it’s more than a $250K spread.

I agree with your point about trading him, which I covered in the “mismanagement of an asset” critique at the end of my post.

After Karl Alzner had to stay in Hershey rather than playing in DC due to $12.5K in cap room that just wasn’t there, I have no issues with a team scrimping on cap space.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. But if they arb award came in at $750k, the accounts say that they would have accepted that. So the difference of paying $250k more this year is enough for them to really a savings this season on total salary but pay $167k next year that they wouldn’t be on the hook for.

And that $167k is nearly the amount more than they didn’t like (the difference in $1m and $750k).

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But once you’ve made the decision that you’re not paying $1M to a guy that’s going to max out at 4th line minutes, your options are mighty limited under the CBA. So they took the option that saved them some dough and some cap room. Not much, but some.

Again, it’s poor management to piss away an asset for nothing, and even worse management to have a cap hit for a player that plies his trade on another team. So I’m not saying Regier did a great job here. I’m just saying I understand why they went the way they did.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Ovie...

" I don't have a certain type, only the heart can tell. If the heart responds, then it is my type."

by TheFuryUnleashed on Aug 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

But how can he tell it’s his heart responding and not his -?

LOL

(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)

by oldemystix on Aug 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

A new series of mini-content kicks off today, kids – just a little way to cut the boredom of August…

by Becca H on Aug 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Darren Helm re-signs with Detroit. 2 years, 825k first year, 1m second.

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by Chris Burton on Aug 4, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Math genius that I am, I calculate that as a cap hit of $912.5K…pretty good number for Rock City.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Aug 4, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Highway robbery. Absolute highway robbery.

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by winterion on Aug 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey boutros23

Sorry about that – I killed that game in a fit of frustration.

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by gotsparkly on Aug 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Ack, wrong, post.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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