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Your savory late summer Saturday brunch links:

  • Japers' Rink Radio hits the interwaves today at 10 Eastern with two great guests - centerman Mathieu Perreault and the premier hockey columnist at the Globe and Mail (and former SBN head hockey honcho) James Mirtle. [JRR]
  • Oh looky, we've got a question teed up already:  "So, Perry...are you a clutch player?"  Pythagoras makes an appearance. [RMNB]
  • Tournament time is at hand as the European youth hockey teams begin their tuneups for World Juniors.  Caps prospects Evgeny Kuznetsov and Dmitry Orlov are now in Nyköping, Sweden with the Team Russia U-20s to begin training for a four-team tournament (Russia, Sweden, Czech Republic, Finland) that will be played September 3-5. [Russian Hockey Federation]
  • In other Russian hockey news, the капитан of the <<вашингтон>> капиталс,  Alex Ovechkin, has been named to the newly established "Public Council of the Hockey Glory of Russia," perhaps better labeled as the Russian Hockey Hall of Fame committee.  Councillor Овечкин will need to recuse himself from deliberations in about twenty years or so. [SovSport]
  • Hey now.  Looks like Alex has a sweet new ride. [Global Caps Fans, plus pic]
  • A fighter...and a winker.  The eternal riddle of General Manager George McPhee. [Caps Outsider]
  • The pads, they are a-changin'.  Hope you brought your tape measure tailor's chalk quantum physics degree. [Flashy Glove Save]
  • Misty Skipjack-colored memories. [JtG]
  • You know he's just there for the early-bird special. [On Frozen Pond]
  • Hershey's Mt. Puckmore.  The sweetest mountain on Earth. [Hershey Bears]
  • Would you like to see some Bears games from the comfort of your living room?  Let CSN know.  [Live in Red]
  • Oh Yes!  Capitals are still the team to beat in the East.  Oh No! Not ending, that way, again. Gah. [DC Pro Sports Report]
  • Finally, find yourself a festive frosty beverage and put this Nicklas Backstrom highlights video on repeat.  #isitOctoberyet? [FanShot]

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From a marketing standpoint, it’s a good idea. It’s easier to sell hockey to a new audience that is unfamiliar with the sport when there are high-scoring games. To those of us already in love with the game, it’s not really great news. Personally, I think that some of the most exciting games are the ones that end with a 1-0 score. (Emphasis Added)

I understand that my argument is likely pretty ageist, but comments such as this one really amuse me when they come from 21-year old hockey fans. By definition, they’re not old enough to really remember what happened to hockey in the decade between the early 90s and the early 00s, or the “inter-work stoppage/dead-puck era.”

While there are occasional 1-0 games that are entertaining affairs, this author likely never witnessed an era when a game that ended 1-0 was common, not because of great goaltending performances, but because the puck rarely left the neutral zone.

Every time I watch an NHL game today, I give silent thanks to Brendan Shanahan and the rest of the folks who helped change the game post-lockout. Hockey today is leaps and bounds more entertaining than it was in 2003. The balance between offense and defense is constantly shifting, and this requires the league to tweak the rules or their interpretation in order to maintain the entertainment value of the game. If the league were to become “unbalanced” again, I’d much prefer it to tilt in the direction of the 1980s than the late 90s/early 00s.

My hypothesis is that people, like me, who grew up watching hockey in the 80s, but “came of age” watching hockey in the late 90s or early 00s – an age I’d put between 28 and 35 – are more likely to prefer rule changes that favor offense. by contrast younger hockey fans that can’t remember the dead puck era, or older fans that remember the Original Six years, are more likely to be content with lower-scoring games.

My question for the assembled Rink Rats is: which age cohort do you fit into, and what are your views on rule changes that affect the offense/defense balance? Do you prefer 1-0 games over 5-4 games? Which do you think the NHL should work toward through its rule changes?

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 28, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’m 24, been watching hockey for ~18 years (so mostly the late 90’s and early 00’s you were mentioning), and I much prefer an offense-driven game. There can be beauty in great defense as well, but you’re right, when the score is 1-0 because the puck never moves past the blue line, it’s boring. It feels like a stalemate to me. You’re just hoping for the other team to make a single mistake, capitalize, then sit back and trap for the rest of the game.

On the other hand, I would say that the process for creating new fans in DC who aren’t brought in by a current fan is:

1) Notice the Capitals are winning a lot of games in newspaper/media/win tickets from their employer
2) Notice the Capitals win big. They aren’t squeaking out 1-0 games very often. But they also only got shutout once last year. Meanwhile, in 2009 the Nationals were shutout 7 times. Moreover, they lost 57 games by 3 or more runs. There’s just not a guarantee of much to get excited about in any given game. On the other hand, either the Caps will blow somebody out or they’ll trail, come back to tie it late after they look like they’ve fixed their mental mistakes, then lose in OT. Even the majority of their losses are worth the price of admission, and that hooks people.
3) Notice the personalities. The Caps definitely have a huge advantage over some other teams here and it would be unfair to leave it off the list. But I don’t think it plays as large a role as #2.

The other thing with this team is that we never feel like it’s over. Think of the Miracle on 34th St., Nicky’s HT (including the coast to coast OT GWG) after Ovi was kicked out in Chicago, and any game against the Pens except That Which Shall Not Be Mentioned, and I just don’t have the sinking feeling even if they’re down by 3 that I would with another team.

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m 17 and have been watching hockey regularly since the lockout (I’d say I was following hockey since the year before the firesale, but for a long time we didn’t have cable, let alone CSN or Versus).

not because of great goaltending performances, but because the puck rarely left the neutral zone.

For “playoff” hockey, I don’t really mind either way. I just want to see great offense—it doesn’t have to result in goals, just chances—strong defensive plays, and good goaltending. I don’t want to see 15 shots from the outside, all easily saved, per side for regular season games, though. That Lundqvist vs Brodeur 1-0 game from earlier this year was terrific—shots, great goaltending duel, and good chances (only bad thing was that it ended in shootout and not OT).

I’d prefer it if the league were catered towards offense, but in such a way that shutouts are still possible and relatively common (not like 10 a season per team, but around 4 or 5 on average sounds right). I really don’t think the rules need to be changed further towards offense or defense, then, just player safety. If I had to pick, I’d say cater towards offense because I think it’s all too common for average goalies to go on hot streaks and in many years you have guys who don’t deserve to have numbers with the elite goalies actually exceeding those goalies’ numbers (the trend is true for forwards as well, but not to the same extent, I’d say). There’s too much uncertainty, and at this point I’d guess if you cater towards offense it would really expose the worse goalies and let the better ones who fly under the radar like Vokoun really shine.

I guess I’d prefer a 5-4 game, but probably like many others, it really depends on the excitement, and a 1-0 with 30 shots apiece is plenty exciting. I love that in hockey one mistake can ruin a game.

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by red army line on Aug 28, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in the same age cohort as you. I caught the very end of the high flying years, but didn’t really become a true follower of hockey until the dead puck years. And I never want to see that sort of hockey again. Goalie duels? Sure, exciting (like pitching duels). Hockey where the puck spend 75% of the time in the neutral zone? Not so much.

I’m not blind to the fact that the game doesn’t have flaws (and that the people running things are deeply flawed). But right now, the game might be the best it’s ever been. The days of the 1-0 defensive tussles are gone, and I, for one, am happy about that.

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by RedBirdie on Aug 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

28, and the score isn’t the big deal for me, but I guess given the choice I’d take 5-4. I’ll take the 1-0 games when each goalie puts up 30 saves and faces several tough chances. The days of the 18 save Brodeur 1-0 shutouts should be dead and buried forever. Basically I’m saying the score isn’t the focus, it’s the process/product on the ice. The more open rules make the 5-4 more likely than the 1-0, so insofar as that’s true I’ll take the high scoring game. I don’t particularly think the 5-4 is the end all though, because sometimes those games are not very entertaining when they are a result of crappy hockey/goaltending. I’d still probably take a crappy 5-4 over a snoozfest 1-0, but anyone that has tried to watch the classic games from the ’80s on NHLN probably realizes that wide open offense =! good hockey. Those games are basically as unwatchable to me as the ’95 NJD.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that 80s offense wide open because of lack of defensive skill / technique/ development? Or wide open by virtue of the size of players and the lack of size in equipment? Or is it alot on the goalies, with their positioning, technique, and equipment size?

I’m 27 and have been watching / listening to hockey since i was 3 or 4. I don’t remember much of the actual game play in the 80s. But when I see classic games, what stands out to me is the amount of space on the ice and the amount of twine i can see behind the goalie. With todays game speed and athletic ability, a little more space would really open up all aspects of the game. I’m not favoring an international ice-sized rink or anything, but perhaps a reduction in equipment size and a slightly larger rink (perhaps behind the net) would open the game up, allow for skilled offense, skilled defense, and actually skilled goalies.

So I guess rather than favoring offense vs defense, i tend to favor things that open the ice up some.

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by renstar on Aug 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The size of the players has only a marginal effect, IMO. The speed and skill is a much bigger factor, as is the coaching. Players used to take ridiculously long shifts and there wasn’t the same attention to defensive zone systems so you had guys wide open in the slot. Goalies weren’t as athletic or as well trained, and they sat deep in their crease a lot so they always show a lot of net. Equipment size probably plays a role with goalies as well, but I don’t think it does with skaters. The depth in the league was atrocious and while there were still stars and very good players all around the league, basically every team was rounded out with beer-leaguers that had no business being in the same league.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

One word: butterfly.

In the 60s and 70s, several studies showed that 70+% of goals in the NHL went in on the ice. The development and diffusion of the butterfly successfully took away most of the bottom of the net.

Goalies have gotten more athletic and are better conditioned, but so have skaters.

Goalie pads have gotten lighter, but sticks have gotten lighter, stronger and better engineered. (Although the tighter regulation of blade curves hurt the players, and the increased size of pads helped the keepers more.)

I really honestly feel that the one major change was the shift from standup goaltending to the butterfly and “hybrid” styles like Brodeur.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 28, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The days of the 18 save Brodeur 1-0 shutouts should be dead and buried forever.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Nobody who lived through that era, not even Devils fans, could want to return.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 28, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one should. Its not a coincidence one of the most exciting eras in hockey also coincided with the highest goals a game average. I’m not saying we should return to 80s level goal scoring, and I don’t exactly think it possible with so many changes the evolution of the game has had, but right now the NHL seems to be at a good mix on goal scoring.

Caps were at the head of the pack almost reaching 4(3.8) goals per game while the closest team was half a goal behind. By contrast the lowest scoring team was at 2.4. By comparison in 1986-87 the Edmonton Oilers(no surprise) were at the top of this averaging 4.65 goals per game, and the lowest scoring team the Red Wings were at 3.25. Today’s gap in gpg runs at 1.41 and back then 1.4 between top offense and worst.

I don’t think we need to return to the 80s era of scoring to draw in more viewers however. Games that are 1-0 can be as close as games that are 6-5. Looking back at our own season, the March 14 Blackhawks game comes to mind with the score jumping to 3-0 before finishing 4-3, or Feb 4rth against the Rags where we went toe to toe in scoring until the Rags took a lead of 5-3 before we finished the game for a 6-5 win. On the other hand the 8-1 thrashing of Atl wasn’t a close game at all, and for the ATL fans I’m sure wasn’t something to keep on watching. But as a Caps fan I enjoyed the game immensely.

Point being leave the game alone, and other than safety inquiries let the game evolve on its own.

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by breaklance on Aug 28, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m 29 years old, and started watching hockey in the early 90’s – I think it might have been 1993. I don’t mind a low-scoring game if it is due to great goaltending, as opposed to the incredibly boring trap system. However, I think many of the best games are when they are 4-2, 4-3 or something in that range. I watch much more hockey now than I did from 2000-04 because it is much more exciting, much more open, and far more interesting. I like the way the rule changes have been going, although there still is room for improvement. The best thing the NHL did was to move away from the clutch-and-grab style to a style that allows the players to use their talent and skills to create plays.

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by timmyv38 on Aug 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well this sounds familiar.....
The better team won….[they] played a zone… we struggled to adapt to it and we seemed drained and tired. It seems that in this series, we missed having another key player who could contribute minutes, points and stops…The series is over so we go home…A very disappointing end to this playoff series…As our coach says though in this article, we are very proud of the team…We improved dramatically this season. We proved many skeptics wrong by winning the East despite missing a very important player on our team due to injury…We will continue to improve the team. We will continue to have upside. We will continue to invest in the team….
We apologize for the quick exit. We will catch our breath and work hard in the off season to improve the team.

Oh wait, its about the Mystics.

#NeedsMoreBradley

by Addison H. on Aug 28, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I know it’s totally coincidental that the Caps and Mystics had similar playoff results but we certainly are all getting deja vu all over again about it.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 28, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point was more that I’m not sure if it is coincidental

#NeedsMoreBradley

by Addison H. on Aug 28, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got that feeling too but I can’t put my finger on why. I mean, logically they share a stadium, an owner, and the internal support staff, but the product they put on the ice/court doesn’t really have any overlap. I admit ignorance of the composition of the Mystics to any great extent, but I know they drafted high the last couple of years — is it that the team just doesn’t have the veteran leaders they need? They stormed into the playoffs but faded fast — so the chemistry was there when it was “easy” but not when it’s hard?

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the caps had played a best of three with the Habs, they would have won that series. Best of threes are pretty unpredictable. No offense to any wnba fans, but I don’t think there is any comparison to be made between that league and the NHL or NBA. I am glad the team did well though.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mytics had Katie Smith

The Mystics signed Katie Smith, who is one of the best WNBA veterans, for this season. I think she made a big difference. Unfortunately, Alana was out all season due to injury. The league does not have IR so they played with a 10 person roster, and two of those were rookies who did not get many minutes. Nakia Sanford and Chastity Melvin are also vets. it was just so frustrating as they has their best season ans beat the Dream just last weekend. In Game 1, they fell behind early; they would catch up but could nt get the lead, Game 2 was more frustrating as they lead at the end of the first quarter and then just fell apart. Two years ago, Sheila Johnson fired the Gm and replaced her with Angela Taylor, who hired Julie Plank as the coach. The Mystics have made a lot of progress under those two.

by NovaCath on Aug 28, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all know they have one thing in common — the ownership.

But different personnel, other than that, and different rules, and different everything else.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 28, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice listening to JRR this morning. Only complaint — they get to asking Mirtle about the Belanger deal; right when they run out of airtime. Nothing like listening to an answer getting cut off. I understand it has to do with the way they’re negotiating airtime, and surely it isn’t free. I guess better time management is in order?

This is just friendly ribbing, by the way.

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by gfcaps fan on Aug 28, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I was hanging on that convo myself before snippage.

is it cold yet?

by bigonetimer on Aug 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I probably should have led with that, but the full show is available for download on itunes. Thanks for the friendly rib.

by Stephen Pepper on Aug 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

great show, Pepper…thanks. Mirtle was a great get.

is it cold yet?

by bigonetimer on Aug 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry about that. Thought we were going to get to that earlier in the interview. It is always available for download for the extra 7 minutes of Mirtle goodness.

by freakinandpeakin on Aug 28, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

“There’s no doubt in my mind, that spot is mine”
Go for it, Matty.

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by bagace on Aug 28, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks to you and Pepper for a great show, one of your best so far. I was not deprived of the last 7 minutes as I heard it all on iTunes last night.

Mirtle had such a calm, deliberative air. I feel better about the team’s holes and youth now than I did 24 hours ago. Being reminded by an outsider that the roster in October is unlikely to be the same come playoffs helped me relax a bit. I appreciated his take on winning the Cup, that it is just damn hard to win, that a strong element of luck or randomness is involved, and that it is better for a team to remain one of the top elite teams and keep pushing to win it all.

All is not lost. After a summer of handwringing his measured responses were balm to my spirits.

I enjoyed listening to MP too—loved how often he said “for sure”—kind of a Canadian’s version of that ever popular filler word “like.”

Fabulous guests—once again! Your show is a highlight of the week for me.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Aug 29, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks very much. Yours are exactly the type of comments that make it all worthwhile.

by Stephen Pepper on Aug 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

 does anyone know why last Slapshot in Miami last night at the Dolphins game??

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Aug 28, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, that was ugly, does anyone know why Slapshot was at the Dolphins game last night?

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Aug 28, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He/she was just takin’ his/her talent to south beach.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Aug 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Caps fan club recruitment drive. It’s not like the Florida Panthers are expected to do much this coming season so Slapshot figures the Caps could take up the slack in recruiting new hockey fans.

Or will we hear the announcement -— Slapshot accepting an offer from the Miami Dolphins football team to be their mascot.

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by CapsFan75 on Aug 28, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know how sometimes Slapshot invites his friends for a pickup game at intermission? Maybe he was just returning the favor.

"Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly, 'No chance you metal ba****d.'"

by apk3000 on Aug 28, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be. Or for a birthday celebration. I remember when they were having a birthday party for the Philly Phanatic once and various mascots from other teams showed up for it.

Rocking the Red since 1975

by CapsFan75 on Aug 28, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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