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Ranking the Capitals: #10

In an effort to beat the summer doldrums, we're undertaking to rank - with your help - the Washington Capitals (only players under contract will be considered). The criteria is simple: who at this moment is the most valuable player in the organization who hasn't already been ranked? Put another way, if you could only keep one of the remaining players - because of what he brings on the ice or off it, his upside, what he could fetch in trade, and so on - who would it be? Consider age, potential, contract status, organizational depth, etc. - it's your call. And after you vote and defend your selection in the comments, help us out and suggest a name to add to the next poll. [Note: here's a recap of last year's rankings; previous "Ranking the Capitals 2010" posts can be found here.]

Welcome Karl Alzner to the list and Boyd Gordon to the poll...

  1. Alex Ovechkin
  2. Nicklas Backstrom
  3. Mike Green
  4. Alexander Semin
  5. John Carlson
  6. Semyon Varlamov
  7. Jeff Schultz
  8. Brooks Laich
  9. Karl Alzner
Poll
Who's the next most valuable Cap?
Eric Fehr
103 votes
Mike Knuble
171 votes
Tomas Fleischmann
6 votes
Michal Neuvirth
55 votes
Tom Poti
4 votes
Marcus Johansson
8 votes
Mathieu Perreault
3 votes
Jason Chimera
3 votes
Matt Bradley
13 votes
Boyd Gordon
2 votes

368 votes | Poll has closed

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Have to give it to Neuvy here – all other things being equal I’d have to go with someone else, but the contract, age, and playoff experience of Neuvy give him the edge over the established guys, IMO.

by KurtSJU on Aug 16, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Went with Knuble, but it’s a tossup between 22 and F16 for me. Varly’s presence devalues Neuvy in my mind.

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by Jake Shapiro on Aug 16, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually think that, given the current goalie market, having the two kids in goal enhances the value of each (to the Caps, at least). If it was only one or the other, the Caps would be in on Niemi or one of the veterans out there. This way we’re guaranteed that one of the kids is getting NHL starting experience while the other is pushing hard for it – not to mention that if Neuvy manages to hang on to the starting role, Varly’s next contract is probably markedly cheaper.

by KurtSJU on Aug 16, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree wholeheartedly with this. It also provides entertainment value as we get endless references from national media about this and that goalie coming to Washington, making clear exactly how much “research” time they actually spend on their articles.

by meatball20 on Aug 16, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

They know exactly how valuable our goalie stockpile is, which is why they are forever advocating that the Caps trade them all away and hamstring our cap situation for a more “proven” goaltender.

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by EmilyB on Aug 16, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gave the go-ahead vote to Fehr (4-3). Polling closes….now!

Hasta siempre Jaime.

by Bald Pollack on Aug 16, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Hasn’t Tom Poti been in this poll since the beginning? Wow.

Fehr gets my vote, as he can be Knuble-like but for longer, and gotta love those rate stats.

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by red army line on Aug 16, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Not quite the beginning, but pretty darn close.

And I see 4 or 5 guys still ahead of him.

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by macvechkin on Aug 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knuble

Fehr has a better contract and more upside, but Knuble means much more to this team’s chances of winning the Cup this year. I’d also like to see another year of high shooting percentage from Fehr, given his huge jump from 08/09 to 09/10.

Next up, I’d put in Eakin, Holtby or Perrault.

If you want to go with current guys, the best options are Steckel and, shudder, Erskine.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 16, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Perrault is already on the list, but I’m sure he is used to being overlooked. Hey-o.

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by Laich It Or Lump It on Aug 16, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah. and yesterday’s thread pushed me over to say Knuble, instead of Fehr like I originally thought. Tough choice though. Fehr/Neuvy/Poti for me next I think.

I actually didn’t even notice Poti got on the list until just now. Heh.

by Vinn on Aug 16, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

shudder, Erskine

Your constant, superfluous attempts to bait Erskine defenders isn’t working. We get it, you think he sucks.

Oh, wait. Did I just fall for it?

by Cluster on Aug 16, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

We get it, you think he sucks.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 16, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

And this time, you took the bait.

by Cluster on Aug 16, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Inspired by yesterday’s revelatory haunch/face ratio, I went with Gramps.

"Those things happen in sport," McPhee said. "It's not like it's anything chronic."

by bigonetimer on Aug 16, 2010 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Natty and Knee High’s debate yesterday was terrific, but the “hanch/face ration” had me falling out of my chair.
My vote continues to go to Knuble because I strongly believe his current, proven worth (as opposed to future potential) means more to the Caps now, as they are contending for the Stanley Cup this year.

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by bagace on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one who hails from Winkler, Manitoba.

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by Carl Putnam on Aug 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Our top line is so money. Gramps gets my vote.

But I thought long and hard about Fehr/Neuvy for this spot.

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by EmilyB on Aug 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Neuvirth

For me, the 6-12 spots are pretty interchangeable, in that you could probably argue for or against any of the guys that will end up occupying those spots to be put in higher or lower positions, and you wouldn’t necessarily be wrong in my book. A team this talented obviously has a lot of guys that are very valuable to the team.

To be honest, the reason I voted for Neuvirth here (and earlier in the polls), is because true talent at the goaltending position is much harder to find/replace than any other position. Add his current age and salary, and I feel this pushes his “value” over some of the other guys on this list (same for Varlamov, but he’s already made it).

After that, you have Knuble and Fehr to round out my top 12.

Since I didn’t really have time to comment on this weekend’s posts…a lot of people seemed to think that Laich went on the list too high, and while I would have put Alzner and Neuvirth ahead of him, he’s still in this top 12 list for me as well. He’s a fan favorite who appears to possess some leadership qualities as well, but I don’t think his numbers allow me to put him as high as 8.

If you’re looking only at this upcoming season, then I probably put Knuble much higher, but I’m tending more to look at future seasons as well when evaluating overall “value” to the team. A fantastic free agent signing last year and crucial part of the team, yet I can’t help but think that this year could very well be his last…so therefore losing a guy like that wouldn’t be a detrimental down the line as one of the younger players would be.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Aug 16, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Next up: Belanger

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by MikeyGreen on Aug 16, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Fehr.

tough call. Knuble and Fehr’s skillset will both be valuable to the team’s success, but Fehr is locked in at a good contract for several years.

Its about time to vote for the two goalies. Next up should be Cody Eakin

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by Sombrero Guy on Aug 16, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Fine, I’ll make the Lawn Dart green. It pains me, but I’ll do it.

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by Cluster on Aug 16, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

good to know. immediately regretted not using the thunderbirds. heck, just for good measure:

on their way to MSG no doubt.

by Natty Bumppo on Aug 16, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Fehr is from Manitoba!

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by EmilyB on Aug 16, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neuvirth

The strength of our goaltending is in numbers more than individuals. It helps to have a single Varly/Neuvy/Holtby but really what makes it a position of strength is that we have all 3. Varly will go down with injury this year, and Neuvy will have to carry us during that. Neuvy may very well be the Number 1 at the end of the year (which is all that matters, right?) so he can’t go much lower.

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by Rob Parker on Aug 16, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Neuvy may very well be the Number 1 at the end of the year (which is all that matters, right?) so he can’t go much lower.

flashbacks to theodore arguments last off-season..

by Natty Bumppo on Aug 16, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fehr...

My reasons are in the #9 posting. I love Knuble but his upside is minimal, whereas Fehr has a shot to get better…much better, and in the end may be a better player than Knuble is.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Aug 16, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Fehr also has the possibility of regressing massively if his shooting percentage returns to his career norm.

He also has yet to play more than 70 games in any professional season. In his six seasons since 2003, Knuble has played all 82 games four times.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 16, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Knuble ALSO faces a danger of regressing, if due to nothing else than age. His heightened years also give him a bit more likelihood of being unable to recover from injuries as quickly. Just playing Devil’s advocate here…

"I am ready for his provocations"

by PaintDrinkingPete on Aug 16, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

See my above reply to myself. :)

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 16, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m also prioritizing this year throughout this process. I think Knuble is more important to the team this year, and I don’t think Fehr’s upside is high enough to cancel out that advantage, unlike Carlson or Alzner.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 16, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t see your post when I posted, but I agree about prioritizing this year first. This isn’t 2005 – 2008.

"HISTORY DOESN’T MATTER!!! .... Who cares if it’s never been done? We aren’t those teams who failed before. We are in control of our own destiny, and we will make it happen our own way.." - A Gordon, June 2010

by bagace on Aug 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knuble’s age is less of a factor than it is for most guys his age, due to how late he became a starter in the NHL. He was 25 the first season he played any real amount of games, which has helped him to be at the highest scoring point in his career these last few years.

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Aug 16, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mileage on the body matters, but at some point, age is age. Natural testosterone and human growth hormone production start to decline, as does visual acuity, and with it hand-eye coordination.

These are just some of the wondrous changes that await me as I inexorably approach the 35-40 age bracket.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 16, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. That’s the reason I said “less of a factor”. Some players do tend to age better than others, and Knuble seems to be one of those. Since the lockout, he has had 5 of his 6 best seasons – at an age when you wouldn’t usually expect someone to do that. I don’t think he has more than a couple years left in him, maybe 4 if he’s lucky, but the guy can still dominate the crease area.

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Aug 16, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite goals of his was this one against the Islanders . That puck was stopped by Roloson, but Knuble kept at it and pushed that sucker right in, like he was saying “It’s my crease, dammit!”

"HISTORY DOESN’T MATTER!!! .... Who cares if it’s never been done? We aren’t those teams who failed before. We are in control of our own destiny, and we will make it happen our own way.." - A Gordon, June 2010

by bagace on Aug 16, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol… he pushed Roloson in too. He can be hard to stop when he’s going at it.

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Aug 16, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prior to 2002, Knuble had always been viewed as a grinder. He only broke out that year when the Bruins had some injuries and Knuble got to play on a line with Thornton and Glen Murray.

That’s the reason he “broke out” unexpectedly. He suddenly got top-line ice time and got onto the powerplay. Given his skillset, it’s unsurprising that he had some breakout seasons.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 16, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew he’d suddenly jumped to a high line, didn’t remember who his linemates were though. Can’t say I’m surprised he had such a good year – nice line to be on.

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Aug 16, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alternatively, one could point out that Knuble’s Shooting % was also above his career high (although not by the same margin as Fehr), and that, at age 38, playing all 82 games might not be in the cards.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 16, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ages and consitency doesn’t matter in these arguments. I mean its been said a billion times already >.>

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Aug 16, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not following…

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Aug 16, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope you don’t think I was saying this…

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Aug 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was more so snarking at Favre supporters at the rink. Not that he still isn’t good, but at some point age does out weigh in-sight and it seems a lot of people think everyone can play past their 40s.

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Aug 16, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Recchi played 81 of the 82 games this last season, and he’s got a few years on Knuble. Might not mean anything, but Knubs might do the same.

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Aug 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

When this entire list is done, it’ll be interesting to slap the salaries next to each one and take a look at the order.

by Brainumbc on Aug 16, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it’d generally fall in order except for those still on their rookie contracts.

Hopefully halfway through the season we will see some signings and then come back to compare. Varly currently is slated to make 765k. Hero looks to make 875k and they are sandwhiched inbetween Semin’s 6 mil and Sarge’s 2.5m.

So that’s a pretty big range of salaries for 2 important guy.

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Aug 16, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It feels like any salary less than 5 mil but above the initial salary is basically just a “lets wait and see” kinda money :P

Laich, Flash, Fehr, Shutlz.

All great players (not neccessarily in that order.. heh)

Almost seems like all really need one more year to really prove how good they are. Laich’s bursts have so much potential. Shultz was stady but really need to see if he can do one more consistent season. Flash and Fehr seem like they could go either way.

by Brainumbc on Aug 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Went with Fehr, though Knuble could have stolen my vote.

If Knuble was 35 I probably would have given him the nod. He is one of those pieces that makes winning this year so crucial. You can’t be sure how much hockey he has left in the tank. He’s not a HOFer, but he’s the kind of guy you want to have guiding this team of young kids, and his offensive contributions are nothing to turn up your nose at.

Fehr has more potential upside. If he sees more than 12 minutes a game this year, I think we’ll be very pleased with his production.

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by iwearstripes on Aug 16, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Neuvirth

Most important position on the ice, young, and cheap for one more year. An insurance policy for Varly, in more than one sense.

After this it’s a toss up between Knuble and Fehr, and not sure which way to go.

Hard to believe that Laich snuck into the top 10.

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by fat_daddyo on Aug 16, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Went with Knuble and the boy from Winkler’s next.

by mechanicsville on Aug 16, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve been voting for Knuble for the last few polls. I think he is very important to the Caps winning now and should hold up physically next season. After Knuble, I’d pick Alzner or Neuvy. Fehr is probably next after that. At this point I might vote for Laich if he hadn’t made it in already, way above his value. I have somewhat an irrational dislike of Flash, but if I was being reasonable, perhaps he is more valuable than Laich? Scratch that, Laich played better than Flash in the playoffs. Flash’s value is higher to another team than it is to the Caps. I did wish Boudreau had replaced Laich with Knuble on PP1 during the playoffs.

by vtcapsfan99 on Aug 16, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Knuble and somewhat agree, but what would he do this year that he couldn’t have done last year to prevent a playoff debacle. For all the ‘veteran presence’ accolades, he wasn’t able to stem the tide of the ultimate choking team.

So I voted Fehr. And also agree with an earlier comment that 6-12 are pretty tightly bunched.

Choking since 1985.

by macvechkin on Aug 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

next one is going to have to make me decide between Fehr and Bradley

by Brainumbc on Aug 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Fehr

Although its close between him and Knuble for me. Fehr’s contract, age, and potential kick him over the top for me, though. I just think that in voting for importance to a franchise, future should be taken into account as well as the present…and Fehr has a chance to be a top 6 guy for this team over the next few years.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 16, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I voted for Knuble—Again. Something about gnarly hands and a pinkie sticking out sidewise. And for his hockey haunches. Gramps has got wheels when it matters.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Aug 16, 2010 8:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Don’t forget the broken face — “You can Google it.”

"HISTORY DOESN’T MATTER!!! .... Who cares if it’s never been done? We aren’t those teams who failed before. We are in control of our own destiny, and we will make it happen our own way.." - A Gordon, June 2010

by bagace on Aug 16, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a lot to love about this guy. Mostly I just love the chemistry he’s established with Ovi and Nicky. A broken face, a fractured pinkie, a wry smile and devilish glint in his eye, that’s just icing on the cake.

"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."

by capsyoungguns on Aug 17, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

ditto.

"If you want money, go to the bank. If you want bread, go to the bakery. If you want goals, go to the net." -Brooks Laich

by btj1995 on Aug 17, 2010 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

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