Friday Caps Clips: Fehr Deal
by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 6:40 AM EDT
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- Reactions to Eric Fehr's new contract... [Vogs, Masisak, El-Bashir (blog, article), NHL.com, RMNB, RtR, DCEx, Dobber, Frankovic]
- ... and hear from F16 himself. [The LaVar Arrington Show with Chad Dukes]
- In other Caps news, everything you need to know about Development Camp - from rosters to schedules to storylines - is just a click (or two) away. [Caps Today]
- Three months to go and plenty of work to be done. [Peerless (who also looks at what an NHL version of LeBron-Wade-Bosh might look like)]
- Michael Nylander cleared waivers yesterday. Oh well. [DCEx]
- You know the rule - praise Jeff Schultz, get a link (though this is certainly deserving on the merits as well). [RMNB]
- A bit of behind-the-scenes access from the CSN crew. [CSN Washington]
- Looking back at some good and not-so-good local draft years from the past decade. [SB Nation DC]
- You all know I'm a big "Ring of Honor" proponent, so it gets a big "pass" from me. [Puck Daddy]
- Down a level, the Bears have signed former Bear (and former Cap) Lawrence Nycholat. Of note, this is strictly a Hershey signing (though it would hardly surprise anyone to see the Caps sign him as they did with Bryan Helmer a couple of years back, should the need arise). [Bears, Patriot-News]
- Speaking of Helmer, a plea for Hershey to re-sign the grizzled vet. [RtR]
- Get to know Philipp Grubauer. [Rink Rebel]
- Too bad this game-worn Stanislav Galiev jersey is sullied by Don Cherry's name - it's a peach, otherwise. [NHL Auctions]
- Finally, happy 44th birthday to Mike Richard.
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“B-Gordo” Tuesday…
“Mr. Nasty” Wednesday…
“F-16” Thursday…
Is today, “Flash Friday?”
If you've read this far...seek help.
“Flush Flash Friday”
“Finagle Flash to Florida Friday”
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
16 and 55 were no brainers to bring back. Flash is a more complicated situation, so I expect to see the resolution string out quite a bit more.
I’m not exactly hoping it gets to arb, but the mock arb here would be priceless…as would the sheer quantity of vitriol F&B would unload.
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I’d pay to have McPhee hire a F&B to present the Caps side of that hearing.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I’d do it on a try out basis. You wouldn’t even need to pay me this time.
Sometimes you need a criminal lawyer, sometimes you need a criminal lawyer.
I find it interesting that a top-pairing D (on a supposedly defensively-questionable team) who led the League in +/- on a team signs for $2.75m and all hell breaks loose, then the injury-prone third RW on the depth chart (for an offensive juggernaut) signs for $2.2m and the move is universally praised.
Don’t get me wrong – I like the Fehr deal (though I admit, I think it’s slightly heavy), and he might be the top RW in the organization 12 months from now, but… well… it’s just interesting.
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by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 7:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely with this. I don’t mind it but I see exactly what you’re saying.
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I Still Find the Whole Schultz Stuff from Wednesday Ridiculous
I put this up in OT yesterday, but I still this sums up the B.S.
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by STLSpidey on Jul 9, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
As before, a rec followed by some hearty lulz.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Jul 9, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. For some reason (and maybe I was having a bad day already), that whole thread set me off.
We have some great debates here that are usually above my ability with salary cap numbers, comparison to other teams, etc. But, when it boils down to a mega-response thread that is really “I just don’t like him” over and over and over and over, it should all stop.
Don’t complain without a solution or ust admit you don’t have a solution. Sometimes your gut tells you you don’t like some thing. I’m ok with that. Then state your point and get out.
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we’re all allowed to have bad days, and we’re all allowed to have something that sets us off!
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I read most of the post JP on Schultz’s return, and it was only a handful of people that were really arguing the negative. I’d say 75% were at least open to the resigning.
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Definitely. Here. I’d venture a guess that the approval rating wasn’t as high elsewhere in the fan base.
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I can almost promise you that all of section 404, minus my dad and I, are in the not so happy camp.
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Woo! I’m trying to procure a Schultz t-shirt or jersey for the home opener. Would set off my WHOLE ROW at least.
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I was looking at Mr. Nasty for my next jersey.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Just got one a few monfs ago for Mrs. YLM. Took a while to get here, but coolhockey.com does good work. Got the replica jersey with the authentic lettering.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Section 421, Rows A and B (low number seats)… we’re quite happy with Sarge…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Civility = Japers
MayhemSilliness = CI
FTFY
Seriously, like OFB, I thought for a while that you guys were overly harsh on them, but man that place has gone downhill since I first joined it.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
I wouldn’t say it fills me with rage, but it does make me question my faith in humanity.
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Until recently, I was a poster there. Just got too aggravating dealing with all the people who just whine and moan without knowing the facts or having a solution.
There are a few rational posters that I look for if I happen to pop over to CI. But yes there are unfortunately too many deranged commenters that go on and on and on. I use to get angry. Now I stay at Japers’.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 9, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too. Makes great observations coupled with a wicked sense of humor.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 9, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And he’s a numbers’ guy. Give him a link that sends him right here. The two of you have had some great dialogues.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 9, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he’s easily the sanest one of the lot. There are a few others that are worth reading, but … gah. The comments section, when I make the mistake of reading it, just makes me want to wield a baseball bat.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
With a wooden baseball bat in a dark alley no less.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 9, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
most everyone else who is sane is here now.
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I can’t rec this enough… JP, please let me Rec it more…this is awesome
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked the Mike Green one with the big dancy head.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The Green one is better if only b/c the chubby body is more fitting.
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by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Just for laffs, i’d like to have a Flash version.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, no credit? Do I have to stick my name on the forthcoming Flash masterpiece?
by bilspacecadet on Jul 9, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d also add that had the Fehr extension been longer, I think there might have been a bit less effusive praise for it. As much as I like him, I’d like to see him stay healthy a little longer before committing to him long-term. Two years was perfect for the team and, if the player can stay healthy and productive, it’ll be perfect for him, too, as he’s that much closer to a big pay day.
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To that point, I was on his conference call yesterday, and it sounded as if both sides really were only looking for a two-year deal, so I guess the haggling was just over price.
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No one is more happy about the Fehr signing than I am. Now I can get my E.F-N.Fehr sweater.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
So, the Fehr deal was a “fair deal?” Or do we fear the fairness of the Fehr deal?
..feh.
If you've read this far...seek help.
It was Fehr. And balanced.
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by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Heh… yeah
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And I will be too, for at least two more years…
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No need to spoil it, but did you have a backup name ready to go in the event Eric left for darker pastures?
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I’m fairly certain that the Fehr deal was fair and furthermore done fairly fast.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
I’m on my 5th cup of Sanka.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
by JSchon on Jul 9, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does that even count as coffee?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Whether coincidence or not, that two year deal might be important in this respect. That deal expires after the 2011-2012 season, and at the moment the Caps have only five current roster players under contract (Ovechkin, Backstrom, Steckel, Carlson, and Schultz) going forward. This year and next (more this year, since there will be 10 free agents among the 19 roster players whose contracts expire) is a performance window for this team, and the Caps have afforded themselves: a) a lot of flexibility within the cap to reward performance, and b) room to promote from within if the asking price on the “next contracts” of those 10 FAs next summer are too big for the club’s liking.
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For Fehr in particular, it’s important in that he needs to prove himself capable of staying healthy, and, assuming Knuble isn’t back after this year, he’ll potentially get a trial season with real top-six minutes that will give the Caps a chance to evaluate if he’s a guy worth going all-in on.
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GMGM is a crafty fellow. Nothing slips through his sights, except for the Erskine and Sloan contracts.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
Well also I’d hope that he raises his game and passes a couple of other forwards in the process. I’d hate to have to wonder how much Knuble would still have in the tank this time next year or overpay in an underwhelming forward crop of FAs.
Look at this signature line. Notice the lack of spelling errors and self-whoring?
The Fehr deal is about what I predicted. The 2 year portion will keep him going hard (no reason to believe he won’t anyway) and the price is good… in fact, if he keeps progressing, the 2011-12 season could be a bargain for the Caps.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not angry at the Fehr signing…though I’m surprised by the dollar amount (based on his TOI). No doubt he had a break-out year…but I’m still not convinced that he’s going to cut it in the top-6.
I’m still not convinced that Flash should go. I know I’m in the gross minority…and maybe the only person…on here that thinks that way. But as long as he doesn’t command a Fehr/Schultz-esque contract in terms of dollars I’d like to see him back to see if he will continue to grow. And I certainly don’t want the team to lose him for nothing. Ideally a one-year deal in the 1.5 is on the way. Granted that’s just a pipe-dream at this point, there’s no way his agent accepts that after seeing Fehr get 2.2.
Well, if it’s a pipe dream, and you KNOW it’s a pipe dream, then what’s the point.
I’m not really advocating getting rid of Flash, especially if it is for zippy in return. I think he has a lot of value for the Caps. However, at the wrong price he becomes a liability to the team/organization as a whole. Remember, we are talking about someone who was watching from the pressbox for a Game 7. Not a resounding endorsement of him.
I wouldn’t want flash to go if it weren’t for Boudreau’s unhealthy reliance/obsession on/with him. With a coach that could recognize his weaknesses and hide them, flash would be great with this team, but with a coach that is loyal to a fault, he would be addition by subtraction.
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by renstar on Jul 9, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With a coach that could recognize his weaknesses and hide them, flash would be great with this team
Ultimately, this is why I think he’s going to be successful with a team that struggles to score.
Yep. A team that needs some skill on the wing. We don’t really need that, at least not this year. And further, his skill and ability on the wing isn’t as high as BB thinks it is.
Has BB learned the lesson? Did he and GMGM have a heart to heart after the season to talk about some of BB’s strategic errors? Does the Fehr signing indicate that Fehr is going to get more, and more quality, ice time? 2.2 is too much for a guy that is going to get 12 minutes a night, but a guy that is going to legitimately have a crack at your top 6 I’m fine with. I’m skeptical, and just waiting for Flash to sign a deal at 2.5 and then go have another Flash year, but I guess we’ll see.
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Does the Fehr signing indicate that Fehr is going to get more, and more quality, ice time?
The short answer is I think so…like you said 2.2 million is too much money to get as little ice time as he’s had in DC. I’d expect him to get a bit more ES time and a huge increase in PP time. If Flash is still here..I’d expect that PP time to come at his expense.
My concern continues to be…and we won’t know until he gets it…will Fehr be able to produce at the same rate with more ice time and/or against tougher opponents.
Agreed. $2.2m says “Give him more minutes, Bruce.”
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I’m not even concerned as much with Fehr’s rate production, as long as it doesn’t fall off a cliff. He’s a much better forechecker than Flash and he gives us the dirty goal element that we’re thin on. Flash will come back, keep Fehr pushed down the depth chart, and disappoint us when it matters.
Sometimes you need a criminal lawyer, sometimes you need a criminal lawyer.
Flash will come back, keep Fehr pushed down the depth chart, and disappoint us when it matters.
You, sir, are a pessimist. I must have said it 1000 times last season, but I’d still love to see Fehr and Flash on the same line…keeping Flash as far away from the center position as possible.
I’m not even concerned as much with Fehr’s rate production, as long as it doesn’t fall off a cliff.
I concur…as long as it comes with an incline in points/goal totals. But again, I’ll have no way to determine if my concerns are fair or not until after he gets more ice time against better compeition.
For what it’s worth, I think Flash is going to be priced out of DC.
Fehr and Flash worked well when they were centered by Federov. A similar setup might work – with the right center.
Foppa talk = facepalm
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Pay $4 million for him to play 13 games and then break his foot again.
And his retirement/no retirement crap is as bad as Favre — the difference being that Favre can at least still be an effective player.
I don’t find it anywhere near as annoying as Favre. Maybe it’s just because it’s not on the TV, or maybe it’s because Foppa legitimately has health concerns holding him back (and lost a good part of his career to them), but I find Favre much more contemptible.
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by Rob Parker on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with this completely.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hockey has a Swedish center who’s an analog for Favre — his name is Mats Sundin
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah but he really only did that hoo hoo one off season. After he was done, he was done.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Forsberg put up 1.3 points per game in the SEL this year – better than anyone else. The last time he played in the NHL, he was over a point per game, though it’s not like he played very many. I think the guy can still play.
The difference between Favre and Foppa isn’t effectiveness, it’s that Foppa’s fighting injury and Favre just can’t make up his damn mind.
Favre’s made up his mind. It’s “how can I get paid $12 million/year by doing the least amount of work.” And keep my name in the news at the same time.
Actually Green Bay offered Favre a lot of money to stay retired and just do some sort of vague publicity position for them. I think he actually made less playing for the Jets that year. Favre just wants to keep playing a game that he loves, and try to win another Super Bowl. Can’t really blame him for that. He isn’t really responsible for most of the media frenzy. They do that all on their own.
In kicking this around the last few days, there are some reasonable options out there.
Bergeron, Sharp, Carter…they’d cost some pretty good assets, but I’m hopeful that GM will be able to pull something off.
If he has the alchemical genius to transmogrify Flashmallow into Mark Staal, that would be icing on the cake.
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Your options at center (with 350+ faceoffs last year) are Vernon Fiddler, Valtteri Filppula, Mike Fisher and Colin Fraser. Sadly, I don’t think Filppula is going anywhere.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Another center would be useful, for the Caps strategy, in general. It would also be useful for Semin and Laich.
Too bad Fedorov had gotten too old. The lack of a second center really put a crimp in things.
I remember the 2 game stretch in early 2009 when Fehr and Flash were on a line with Backstrom. They did well during that period, if I remember correctly.
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he gives us the dirty goal element that we’re thin on
Especially after this coming season, when Knuble and Laich could conceivably both be former Caps (perish the thought, I know).
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Knuble and Laich could conceivably both be former Caps
The intrawebs almost fried when Bourque went to Pittsburgh…I can’t even imagine what would happen if Laich goes. I’m guessing Uncle Ted and GMGM would be burned in effigy throughout the DC area…
SI.com has both as 2 of the top 25 FA’s in 2011. Semin is also on that list.
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Is Tom Poti in the top 10, or just below?
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
They only had the top 25. It was one of those photo montages. Let me see if I can find it, and I’ll post a link.
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Dan Hamhuis or Wad Redden?
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My typing has apparent left for the week.
Of course I meant Wade.
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Wad is wholly appropriate considering what Redden gets paid vs. what he produces on the ice….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wad Redden is his non-union San Fernando Valley equivalent.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
DC would grind to a halt as we all grieve the loss of Laich.
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Auto shops would breathe a sigh of relief as they could now, once more, get paid for changing tires.
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funnily enough, my brother is a mechanic and has a Laich shirt.
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Especially after that whole thing with changing the tire. He is just such a good guy aside from Hockey skills.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
by RockinRed4Life on Jul 9, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Flash will come back, keep Fehr pushed down the depth chart, and disappoint us when it matters
Except that Flash’s icetime has nothing to do with Fehr. It’s Semin and Knuble—the top two RW on the team—that keep Fehr on the third line and limited minutes. Despite all the vitriol about Flash’s time, he averaged 16 minutes, 4 more than Fehr and mostly because (a) he’s on the top PP unit because of his playmaking ability, something Fehr doesn’t have and is on the PK, something Fehr isn’t and probably never will be, and (b) he spent a good chunk of the season on the second line centering Semin during the win streak. He’s not pulling abnormally high minutes—he pulled third line minutes with special teams time.
We don’t need Flash’s “playmaking ability” on the PP. We’ve got scads of it already. We could have used a net crasher. If you honestly think Flash wasn’t keeping Fehr’s TOI down, then I guess we just disagree. At least in regards to the PP, Flash is pushing Fehr down the depth chart. Flash also got moved up to the top line or second line whenever there was an opening.
Flash also blows at the PK, and while Fehr wouldn’t take those minutes, Flash shouldn’t get them either.
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Someone else said that good contracts pay for appropriate future (and hopefully, better) production, not on previous performance. Here’s hoping Bruce plays along.
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While there’s some truth to that statement…I’m not sure I like it. If we’re talking about Schultz’s deal than I agree whole-heartedly. But in Fehr we’re talking about someone that has been healthy for exactly one year since being drafted…and some of those injuries were pretty serious.
Don’t get me wrong…I’m not a hater, nor am I overly upset about the deal…but a 300% raise seems awfully steep to me.
I was very encouraged that he was able to come back from double shoulder surgery, look better than ever, and remain healthy. For me, that last point in key.
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I have to agree on the raise. I was fool enough to think that merely doubling his salary and tacking on a bit—say, 1.75M—was going to do it. But I would say the Fehr term was perfect in that the Caps retain his rights at the end, and still in line with (what I would hope for in) future production. If he pours in 25 goals this year and next, and stays healthy, he’ll get paid on the next deal.
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Well if you figure he did 21 goals with little off-season training last year (and taking advantage of this one), he may be a bargain by the end of the deal.
Look at this signature line. Notice the lack of spelling errors and self-whoring?
This, at the very least, tells me Fehr’s agent knows what he’s doing. Fehr got that money because of the rate statistics, and that’s it.
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It also says something for the work Don Fishman and Co. are doing behind the scenes. That guy is rock solid.
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did you listen to his conference call yesterday?
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didn’t listen. I’ve heard him speak a couple times now, always interesting stuff.
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yeah, and I also went to one of those season ticket holder pre-game talks with him and GMGM. But I figured after two of those, there isn’t a whole lot more to say.
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The conference call yesterday wasn’t particularly interesting – basically happy to be here, happy to be healthy in the summer (so he can train, rather than rehab) for the first time he can remember, glad to see most of the team back.
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Oh, my bad – I didn’t know there was a Fishman conf. call yesterday. Carry on.
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Don Fishman needs to be healthy to do contracts?
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I felt like I already knew the answers to the questions that were being asked. On the other hand, the people asking them obviously aren’t part of the Rink.
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I don’t think there’s much about the team we could ask Fishman that he’d be at liberty to give an answer about. Capgeek is a wonder. It doesn’t let us know everything Fishman knows, but it does let us know pretty much everything Fishman is allowed to tell.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Precisely. I’d be more fascinated with the process than the result. There was one question that did address timing and priority, not specific contracts, so that was nice. I didn’t attend his session at last year’s convention, but assuming he does one again I will.
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You’re expecting fans to be rational human beings?
I think Fehr’s contract might be a little bit high, but it’s pretty much what I was expecting, given the market and the salary cap. I’m sure I was hoping for less for Schultz, but again, it’s probably market friendly.
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Looking at the Development Roster makes me really excited. I’m hoping to make it out for all the festivities and maybe interview one of the kids moms like I did last year.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
“Interview”? Is that a euphemism?
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by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Really impressed with the development camp guide. I don’t always pay attention to all the things that the PR staff does, don’t always have time to listen to caps report, no money for season tickets if I was in the area, etc…but really a nice wealth of information in that PR guide. Especially when you consider that a professional hockey staff put that together for a bunch of guys that aren’t going to see the NHL in all probability this year, or maybe even next for most of them.
Although, Holtby certainly might see some time, and can’t we all see Finley up in DC this year? We could dress 7 defensemen every night. Finley could show Sarge how to clear the crease and take a penalty for obstruction/holding/xcheck…then a five minute major for fighting. Double nickel could then PK while Finley is in the box, and finish the game after the fighting major while everyone in the crowd is angry that their defensive hero has been benched. To make room for the 7th defenseman nightly, we could sit Fehr in the owner’s suite, he has a terrible contract anyway.
by HateOffSeason on Jul 9, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I love that the media team publishes their guides and notes and whatnot. It serves as something of a check on everyone covering the team in that you can tell who comes up with storylines on their own and who just lets Nate et. al. “inspire” them.
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(Of course, that inspiration is exactly what those notes are there for, but still.)
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As I noted yesterday, the three missing from the roster are Godfrey, Larson and Glass; all 3 are from the 2007 draft class. And of course, as usual, the Caps don’t list the FA invites.
Glass has attended every year until now since he was drafted. Assuming they didn’t drop his rights without announcing it (doubtful given they did announce Casavant), he’s NCAA so pay your own way to camp, plus he could have a conflict and/or injury.
Godfrey had a concussion that kept him out of the SC line-up for a long time and only returned for one game before sitting again; he is buried deep on the depth chart and has attended a number of camps in the past.
Larson is the only one that I’m not clear whether the Caps are still holding his rights or not.
A few other stats about the Dev Camp Roster.
23 Prospects not including FA invites
11 players under contract including 4 that were signed as FAs
Forwards – 13 (7 under contract)
Defensemen – 7 (3 under contract incl. Miskovic)
Goalies – 3 (1 contract)
Draft Year/FA Information
2005 1 prospect
2006 -
2007 2 prospects
2008 5 prospects
2009 6 prospects
2010 5 prospects
FA signings 4 prospects
by sk84fun_dc on Jul 9, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks for the info! This stuff is useful since I’ll be at the beach during development camp.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jul 9, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
sk8 -
Per the team, Godfrey won’t be there b/c he’s too old (would be the only third-year pro there). Larson and Glass both would have had to pay their own way, and may also have classes this summer – it’s their option whether or not to attend.
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Thanks. I appreciate the update.
Sounds like there are some league rules about Dev Camp, but then some that are team specific. I read another team say a player wouldn’t be there because players not on ELCs aren’t attending, but then in the Caps case they have Miskovic. Curious if the Godfrey third year pro issue is League or Caps. Just curious.
I noted the NCAA aspect for Glass; wasn’t sure if they had released Larson’s rights the way they did for example with Bruneteau and Gwidt in the past. So based on that update, sure sounds like they still have his rights/are listing him on the reserve list. to date.
I definitely understand that there are issues for an NCAA prospect as it relates to attending dev. camp and have tried to note the NCAA issue whenever I post about someone not attending.
I very much appreciate the info. you posted.
As crazy as it sounds some college players go to their own training and stuff, especially if they have USHL or NTDP ties. I don’t know why you wouldn’t want to be under professional tutelage for your future organization, but I know some guys opt to train on their own (Pens’ pick and BC player Philip Samuelsson does this).
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Along with the travel/monetary issues, there are plenty of reasons someone could not be able to attend. For example, taking summer classes or a pre-scheduled family commitment.
It is of note that Glass has attended 3 years in a row since he was drafted.
Larson was injured and sat out a year while enrolled at UMinn before returning to play the last 2 seasons.
True that, there’s a lot of reasons.
It’d be a broad generalization to say hockey families are usually financially stable, but I don’t think the money issue is too big a deal. Gotta believe that most hockey families are used to paying for equipment, travel teams, ice-time, travel to tournaments, etc, etc for years and years.
If you have a kid that’s a pro prospect, chances are you can put him up somewhere for a week….Especially when the chance for a pro contract and career are on the line. And hey, at least the college is free! That’s better than what most parents get away with.
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Well, I pointed that out yesterday — if my kid was going to college for free, I’d have the money for him to spend a week with the Caps. Although I wonder if they have to pay for more than just accomodations, like training staff time.
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I don’t know either — it seems JP’s pretty knowledgeable about the NCAA and eligibility maintenance, perhaps he can enlighten us both.
I can’t imagine the team would charge them, probably quite the opposite I’m sure they’re as accommodating as the NCAA will let them be. Which isn’t much.
The players surely have to pay travel and lodging expenses to get to camp, but I don’t imagine they have to pay to rent the jerseys, equipment or trainers. They probably aren’t allowed to bring back a set of new sticks or anything though.
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Add a 5th FA invite.
de Kastrozza[/B][/URL], NCAA/Stingrays ECHL (F). He played some games (regular season and playoffs) for the Stingrays after he finished his senior season at U Maine last season.Likely that he’s signed to a SC/ECHL contract for this coming season, but for a multitude of reasons they don’t announced those contracts when they are signed, but wait until later.
bah, the link to his hockeydb profile didn’t work. Here it is.
I know SBN DC is still young, fresh and new, but you really need to give them a little kick in the anny-fay in terms of writing quality (Karl Alzner part of a bad DC draft year?)
Look at this signature line. Notice the lack of spelling errors and self-whoring?
Aye. A bit of the non-hockey-guys-writing-about-hockey effect, I’d think.
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They also left MG52 and Sarge out of the 2004 draft class… both are top-notch players.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t read that post, but 2007 wasn’t anything to crow about. Karl Alzner was a great pick, but he also was a top 5 pick—if he didn’t become a good NHL player, much less someone who contributed, he’d be considered a bust. The rest of the draft? Out of 10 picks, 4 in the first 3 rounds, they got Alzner. He and Godfrey—the 2nd rounder—are the only two players to have signed, the lowest number of Caps pick to sign out of any draft since the lockout. Granted, four are still in college, but outside of Dunn and possibly DeSimone, there doesn’t seem to be much hope.
It’s still early, but in many ways, the 2007 draft was as bad if not worse than the 2005 one.
A clarification about that piece
It was only top 10 picks, so Schultz/Green don’t qualify since they were picked later.
Gotcha – my reading comp ain’t what it used to be.
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spending too much time in the Puck Daddy comments again?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Reading Peerless this morning and seeing the Kovalchuk negotiations break down again, got me thinking about another wacky Le Bron James scenario. It will never happen and , if it could, I probably wouldn’t want it, but what if Kovalchuk decides to pull a Hossa and accept a one year reduced contract for a chance to win a Cup? And say that salary is around $7 million and the team is the Caps? It would mean getting rid of Flash, but with the roster already in place, it could work from a financial standpoint. Of course, from a practical standpoint it wouldn’t make sense since you’d only have 20 players on the roster and almost no cap room, but imagine throwing out this lineup night after night. It may not win a Cup, but it would be fun to watch.
FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin-Nicklas Backstrom-Mike Knuble
Alexander Semin-Marcus Johansson-Ilya Kovalchuk
Jason Chimera-Brooks Laich-Eric Fehr
Matt Bradley-Dave Steckel-Boyd Gordon
DEFENSE
Mike Green-Jeff Schultz
Tom Poti-John Carlson
John Erskine-Karl Alzner
Tyler Sloan
GOALTENDERS
Michal Neuvirth
Simeon Varlamov
ROSTER: 21 Players
PAYROLL: $59.565m
BONUSES: $0.850m
CAP ROOM: $0.685m
Part of me would love to see that, but given the choice between Kovalchuk and a legitimate 2C like Bergeron, I take Bergeron.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jul 9, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The Caps are already loaded with offensive wingers. Kovy wouldn’t give us anything extra in that department plus he’s more expensive than any of them, save Ovi.
In these days of salary caps, the Caps can’t afford him. A reason I believe that Semin is a better value for the money than Kovy.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a Ferrari, and I’m pretty sure he was 18 or 19.
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by Rob Parker on Jul 9, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wasn’t that a Ferrari?
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Never understood why a movie based in Chicago would have one of its characters wearing a Red Wings jersey.
because everyone loves Gordie Howe?
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Great memory. It was a Gordie Howe jersey.
Definite OT thread – but I think I need to add this to the list of movies I force my kids to see. That way when I say "Bueller, Bueller, Bueller . . " they get it.
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Mr. B feels the need to point out that it’s a Gordie Freakin’ Howe jersey in a movie about Chicago every time it’s on TV.
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I might be the only person on the planet who rooted against Bueller in that movie.
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With that Line up...
That 3rd line would sure be fun to watch every night… They’ll skate around busting up opponents and pot 60 goals as well…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting (for us legal types, at least): http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?shortname=indcco20100708045
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interesting to us non-legal types as well.
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Now we know why Ted is losing all that money, (In a crosby just got jinxed voice) HUSCROFT!
It’s interesting how “common” knowledge that he was at the end of his career and playing in Portland on a two way did not affect how DC unemployment viewed his situation.
Awesome link!
Well, if the Court had called one of us as an expert…
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Sad what happened to Huscroft, but he was at the end of his career. The Caps in 2001 were a pretty good team and he was pretty much the 8th or 9th defenseman at the time…
It is good he got something to compensate for his injury.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The ALJ found that the Capitals’ principal business was playing professional hockey games
I guess that clears up any concerns people had. Phew!
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and here I thought the Capitals principal business was handing out contracts to defensemen hated by OFB.
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and here I thought the Capitals principal business was handing out contracts to defensemenhated by OFBthat can’t skate good enough.
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I understand the jurisdiction arguement, but clearly it’s a work-related injury, so would it make a difference if a claim had been filed elsewhere? And, folks, this is why everyone needs disability insurance. Athlete’s policies are a little different, and can be pricey, but it’s based on calculated earnings/benefits, and for a minor leaguer the policy wouldn’t be as much and therefore not as expensive. I would have thought they’d be part of a contract.
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I understand the jurisdiction arguement, but clearly it’s a work-related injury, so would it make a difference if a claim had been filed elsewhere?
I would assume so since I’m pretty confident the workers comp laws in Maine are different from the ones in the District.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I bet the benefits in DC are better, hence the legal issues. Plus if the money comes from the Caps or from the Pirates, guess who has deeper pockets?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That seems like the logical argument. If the cost of the suit outweighs the potential upside due to the Caps ability to pay, it’s could be judged worth the effort.
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If it costs the Caps $500K to defend it, but they amount they would pay if they lose is $300K, they would concede it. Apparently, the amount of $$ was enough that it got this far….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Again – 100% right.
I know at our company, we often make lawsuits related to termination go away or take to court based on a similar risk reward analysis
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This one sets a bad precedent for them. They now have DC workers comp obligations for every player under contract to them, even if the player is in Hershey or South Carolina
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
(so that factors into why it was worth taking all the way through appeal)
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick summary for those non-legal types here?
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Jamie Huscroft was injured while playing with the Portland Pirates (then the Caps’ AHL Affiliate) under a contract with the Caps. He sued in DC for workers’ comp. Short version of the administrative result is that he won 5 years of comp.
On appeal, the team argued that (1) DC law doesn’t apply because he was hurt in Maine playing for the Pirates, and (2) the award should be shorter because his career was already coming to an end. Team lost on both counts, and the 5 year comp award was affirmed by the appellate court.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
another reason why FA’s should want to play for the caps…very liberal workman’s comp laws…
and another double ot loss for the caps…
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 9, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ring of Honor
If they Caps had that, they wouldn’t have as many retired numbers as they do. I love Yvon Labre, but retiring #7 would not have been appropriate… if there was a ring of honor, then absolutely.
As for the Caps they should have one, something like the “Flyers Hall of Fame” but without inducting Dave Schultz (or the Caps equivalent, Craig Berube). Maybe start it next season and induct up to 3 players per season:
Obviously the retired number players are in automatically:
5-Langway, 7-Labre, 11-Gartner, 32-Hunter. They would have the disctinction of being in the ring of honor with their number next to their name.
I am also going to assume the Caps will be retiring 12-Bondra and 37-Kolzig at some point:
2011: Dino Ciccarelli, Calle Johansson, Kelly Miller
2012: Mike Ridley, Guy Charon, Adam Oates
2013: Don Beaupre, Larry Murphy, Al Iafrate
2014: Steve Konowalchuk, Scott Stevens, Joe Juneau
Much Futher into the future: Jeff Halpern, Joe Reekie, Sergei Gonchar…
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I’d agree on the retired jerseys, excpet that the Caps in the mid-late 1990s/early 2000s had strong enough teams to win the Cup but in their finals appearance, they were up against an All-Star Team… those Red Wings were loaded. And the losses to the Pens… well those teams were loaded too…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t put Beaupre in the Ring. And I probably wouldn’t wait till 2014 to put Stevens in.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Calle Jo has to go in ahead of Stevens, ditto for Murphy and Iafrate (they were better than Stevens was for the Caps, and Stevens was terrific).
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
A Swede named Bengt would look pretty good up there too.
But 3 a year seems too much for me after the initial push. If you get to the point where you’re adding Lou Franceschetti, you’re doing it wrong.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Gustafsson and Pivonka have to be there. Maybe even Bobby Carpenter.
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And you have to at least consider Dennis Maruk and Ryan Walter
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that we’re able to name this many players who should be considered is further proof that a ring of honor would be a great thing. Not every player is deserving of having his number retired but there are just those guys, in every “generation” of a team, that will always be considered great by the fans who loved them.
The fact that we’re able to name this many players who should be considered is further proof that a ring of honor would be a great thing
Yes, but at what point does it become too many names?
It’s a big ring.
I think it’s important to share some history with the new generation of fans. And to the “we have no history” haters, that’s simply not true – these are players with whom many of us grew up. Whether or not they won, they’re a part of the franchise and the fanbase’s shared history.
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Whether or not they won, they’re a part of the franchise and the fanbase’s shared history.
No argument there, but a Ring of Honor still needs to be extremely selective. There are other ways of honoring/showcasing a team’s history. At the Capital Club at the old arena they did a pretty good job of that with murals and huge photos.
I don’t disagree, necessarily. I can remember rooting for most of the guys named since I was a little kid. I just don’t think the Ring of Honor “proves” history just because we put every fan favorite up there. I personally don’t think Scott Stevens or Larry Murphy belong. Sure, we can remember their time as Caps, but both of them cemented their identity, and their spot in the HoF, somewhere else. It just seems wrong to put numbers in your RoH when they are hanging retired in other arenas.
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It just seems wrong to put numbers in your RoH when they are hanging retired in other arenas.
Is that a general rule, or something related to these guys? Because I think there are players out there whose meant enough to warrant recognition to more than more franchise.
I was going with the, extremely brief time spent with a team (Avs) but still have jersey retired by said team.
Agree with the concept but not with Bourque – 15 months with a team and they retire his jersey? Still incomprehensible to me years later.
Dumbest jersey retirement ever.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a list of all retired and honored numbers.
Most seem reasonable.
IMHO, I still question retiring Labre’s jersey. Go ahead and pummel me, but it never made sense. The guy was not a special player and, having been around then as a kid, he wasn’t the one that anyone even idolized.
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From the perspective at the time, it makes sense. It’s hard to explain in retrospect to folks who weren’t around then (even I’m young enough a fan that I had to have it explained to me — I don’t remember Labre playing). But it may not be exaggeration to say that the Capitals are not in Washington today without Labre. That’s certainly how people felt at the time. He was a huge positive in what was otherwise a fairly negative experience in those early days.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was 8 when the Caps came into existence and went to games from the beginning.
As a youngster looking for someone to idolize, I focused on Guy Charron and then Rod Langway. Labre didn’t mean much to me, but I’m just a voice of 1.
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He should be retired for the moustache alone.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I understand, it’s because he really made Washington his home and made the team his top commitment. But I should probably stop adding to this since I wasn’t there at the time.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
well, i’m not going to argue that his number should have been retired. but he was a heart and soul guy…gaping grin…would fight…and people appreciated that he got as much out of the talent he was given, which wasnt too much. folks liked charon, but he was a dangler/offensive guy and not the type of guy who endeared himself like a big lumbering dman. it didnt take much back then to endear yourself to caps fans. plus he was the last of the original guys.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all. Kono was a heart-and-soul guy on a pretty good team. It’s hard to explain what the Labre era was like (and as I’ve said, I’m not the expert). But in a time when many players were not happy to have landed on the Caps (and who could blame them?) Labre embraced the region and his role with the team.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Labre was the face of the franchise.
In retrospect, a bit of Labre’s status has to do with Abe Pollin, and the fact he ran the team like a small family business. Labre was the Caps analog of Wes Unseld – a loyal soldier who did what was asked of him, did it as well as he could, and sang the company tune.
Abe loved him for those reasons.
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Dumbest jersey retirement ever.
Maybe in hockey, but IIRC the Miami Heat retired Jordan’s number and he didn’t even play for them.
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The Avs retired Bourque’s 77 because they won the Cup. If they didn’t win the Cup while he was there, they wouldn’t have done it.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Bourque?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s my personal opinion. I guess a guy like Roy, who was instrumental in taking two different teams to two Cups each, might get a pass. But c’mon, is anyone going to remember Scott Stevens as a Cap? Or Murphy? Or Oates? Even Ciccarelli is debatable.
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Oates was the captain for 2 years and in both season the Caps won the division title and then went out in the first round….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, I’d leave those guys off.
In extreme cases – a Roy or a Messier, for example – I think it makes sense.
Right, because those guys, especially Roy, had HoF caliber careers in two different teams. I’m not sure Stevens or Murphy are really close to that, and they obviously didn’t help lead the Caps to any Cups like Roy and Messier did.
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Fans will remember them. And that’s what matters – this isn’t for the rest of the League, it’s for Caps fans.
And we need a RoH to remember them?
Honestly, when you think of Scott Stevens what jersey is he wearing?
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When Becca thinks of Scott Stevens, he isn’t wearing a jersey.
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by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Nothing wrong with that. Doesn’t everyone have a “freebie list” like Ross did on Friends?
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Honestly? When I think of him, I think of him in a Caps jersey. Maybe that’s just me, but it’s because some of my earliest hockey memories involve him playing for the Caps.
Mine too, but he’s a New Jersey Devil.
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I think of him in a Blues jersey. And then I chuckle.
"Ovechkin, what is good in life?"
"To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their captain."
Sad :(
I guess my reasoning is this – he’s a Devil to the rest of the hockey world, and that’s where he won his Cup, so his jersey should never be retired here. That honor should remain for players who are truly faces of the franchise and/or leaders in winning championships.
But I think he still holds an important place in franchise history and fans around here remember him as a Cap, even if others outside the team don’t. That makes him worthy, in my mind, of an RoH spot.
I guess I just think of the Caps honoring Stevens like if the Habs honored Langway. Aww cute, he wore your jersey a few times, but everyone knows he’s ours.
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On a related note, when I think of Jagr, this is what he's wearing...
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Dammit… warn me when you’re posting stuff like this.. now my eyes are aching…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice rack on #15.
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I’m with Becca, Scott Stevens has got to be an absolute lock for a Caps Ring of Honor and tons of fans would remember him. Before he came to town the Caps never made the playoffs & they made it every year he was here. He nearly won the Norris one year. I am as big of an Al Iafrate fan as anyone but when you compare what Scott Stevens did here to Big Al’s it is not even close. And Murphy’s tenure was more impressive than Big Al’s too. Only reason he left was because Abe Pollin wouldn’t pay the $1M a year. By the end of that deal it was an absolute steal.
I don’t think there is such a thing – within reason, obviously, and it should have some sort of criteria, but this franchise has been around for 35+ years, it’s okay to have a few. This isn’t like retiring numbers, where you get to Canadiens-esque levels of ridiculousness and you’re having to hand out 3-digit jersey numbers. It’s just honoring great names in the history of the team, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that – in fact I think we’re at the perfect point in a franchise history to start something like this.
Granted, there are a few names being mentioned that I don’t think are worthy of the honor…but a lot of them are.
Considering the Canadiens’ list of retired numbers is significantly smaller than their list of HoF players, and ours is the opposite, I’d say the Canadiens’ list is more justified than ours.
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I don’t know how you can use the term “justified” in a case like this. The Habs have been around for 100 years and won 24 Cups, of course they’ll have a ton of HoF players – doesn’t mean guys on our team aren’t just as deserving. In fact, that’s kind of the point – to honor guys who played key roles in the franchise’s history but maybe didn’t make the HoF/jersey retirement cut.
Granted, I’m not saying put everyone that’s been named into it, but it’d be nice to see a lot of these guys honored in some way.
I’m just saying the Habs are more selective. That’s why it’s more justified. There are no guys that have numbers retired by the Habs where you could even question it. There are plenty of guys that have been huge parts of dynasties and are in the HoF that aren’t retired. You simply can’t say the same about the Caps. I have a higher bar for retired numbers than other people, and that’s fine. I just don’t think “he was a fan favorite for a while” is good enough.
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Oh, I have a pretty high bar for retired jerseys, too – and I’ll agree that you really can’t question anyone the Habs have honored in that way. That’s why I like the idea of a Ring of Honor, I think it pays tribute to our history without having to retire a jersey – a lower honor but an honor nonetheless. That’s all I’m saying.
Maruk is a no-brainer. Walter… worth considering.
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Doug Jarvis?
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely Dennis Maruk. Walter was a solid captain. Doug Jarvis was probably the best penalty killer the Caps have ever had,
I propose Dave Christian
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by Rather Bengt on Jul 9, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
carpenter? eh, he had one really good season but he his first departure was not pretty. didnt the team send him home just prior to trading him?
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Up to 3… don’t have to add 3 every year…. just ‘til it’s caught up.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Murphy, CJ and Iafrate.
My initial class (if we’re going by four)
Miller, CJ, Ridley and Murphy
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Unfortunately he’ll never get his jersey retired….even though he was the defensive anchor for the better part of a decade.
Agreed. Unfortunately he’ll never get his jersey retired….even though he was the defensive anchorfor the better part ofover a decade.
FTFY – Calle Jo’s career with the Caps started in the Spring of 1989 and ended in 2002-03 (where he played all 82 games)
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Broke my heart to see him in that Leafs sweater.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Broke my heart to watch Cassidy treat him like crap and not use him in the playoffs.
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by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec’d for (painful) truth.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 9, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Blame Randy Carlyle, too. He was the assistant handling defensemen, and he’s the one who told Cassidy Calle was being overworked.
Is that true? I always liked Carlyle and credited him with a noticeable improvement in Gonchar’s defensive play the year he arrived.
by bilspacecadet on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He was solid and reliable every game from day 1 until April, 2003.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
How fitting that in a town of temporary residents, three of the four players with retired numbers were drafted by other teams (Labre: Pittsburgh; Langway: Montreal; Hunter: Quebec), and the other (Gartner) played a year in the WHA before coming to Washington and scored 311 goals with other NHL teams.
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The Caps have never had a player play 1000 games in a Caps Uniform. Calle Jo leads the way with 983.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Kind of related – I was tweeting back and forth with one of the NHL PR guys during the Finals because he mentioned that he went out with a bunch of Swedes including Johansson, and I had to tell him how much I loved Calle Jo. He told me Calle was a major reason for them all being out until 3 in the morning. Cracks me up.
…back to hockey-related talk. :)
CalleJo and Langway were two of my very favorite Caps. I’m sure this explains why I’m so high on Alzner.
by CapitalCentre on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Calle is a great guy. I had a lengthy conversation with him at the Team Store a couple of years back and he couldn’t have been nicer. Odder was that Ulf Dahlen was there too and he remembered me from a STH autograph event because I had the first Caps Ulf Dahlen jersey he ever signed. I still have that (white with the Eagle) hanging in my closet.
I’ll wear it again when Ulfie goes into the Hall of Fame (meaning never, I know… I’m not expecting him to be a Hall of Fame candidate).
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ring of Honor, yes. But more selectivity. I pass on guys like Reekie, Halpern, Gonchar, Juneau, Murphy, Beaups, Oates, etc.
Off the top of my head, I would go with:
Charon
Maruk
Ridley
Calle Jo
Gustaffson
Iafrate
Gartner
Pivo
Kono
Bondra
Kolzig
And the guys whose numbers have been retired, of course.
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ron low…guy saw more rubber than a [insert your own joke here] in those first few years. not easy winning 8 games when you saw 70 shots a night…
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by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 9, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
My dad still calls him “Red Light” Ronnie…says he probably had a sunburn from the goal light going on so often behind him.
Iafrate was a fan favorite, but he was only here 3.5 seasons. Other than an All-Star appearance or two, and a memorable haircut, I don’t see how he gets in before any of those names on your “pass on” list.
He did have the hardest shot before Chara took that from his cold dead hands.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And he used to smoke between periods, didn’t he?
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was only Mrs. Leeman?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I can never remember. Was it Al with Mrs. Leeman, or was it Gary with Mrs. Iafrate?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, I’ll open up a new can of worms: How about the Ring Of Goat
(As Joe B would say, no relation to the Caps’ most famous fan)
Jaromir Jagr
The Woop wing — Larry Murphy, Kevin Hatcher, Sergei Gonchar
Esa Tikkanen for one missed empty net
Alex Semin for 44 SOG, 0 G
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You left Phil Housley off the Woop Wing…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Kristich.
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Definitely Phil Housley. Ugh. Double Ugh
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by Rather Bengt on Jul 9, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Reference Peerless’ article, I must confess watching an Ovechkin-Crosby-Nash line would be an amazingly guilty pleasure.
… for a few games, until it was apparent that the chemistry just wasn’t there and Sid got new wings.
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by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well, 6 goals is wings, right? Or five?
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by red army line on Jul 9, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
or Ovie and Nash vote Sid out of the club and call up……Super Swede! (please tell me Nick is getting a new animation for this season)
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I actually think Sid would not be the ideal pivot there. The guy had more goals than assists last year. Ovechkin and Nash would never pass to him. I’d give Ovi and Nash more of a playmaking pivot like Thornton or Backstrom, and put Crosby with some wings who are more willing to dish the puck to him.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Stan Galiev is the next Rick Nash
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
of course Ovechkin would never pass. He’s selfish! when he’s not leaving his feet and elbowing some unsuspecting grandma in the head, of course.
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You forgot how he celebrates his selfishness by sacrificing a small animal on the ice and then spraying an elementary school class with ice shavings…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I don’t know about that. When we’re talking about the top players in the league I think they are more or less jacks of all trades, but just play the role that is needed.
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by red army line on Jul 9, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think an Ovechkin-Crosby-Nash line would work better than a James-Wade-Bosh trio is going to work. Hard to get three 30-point a game scorers in the same lineup with there being just the one ball and all…
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Agree with that
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The difference being that when I hear the NBA boys talking about how they’ll take less and live with lower numbers for the sake of winning, I hear, “yeah, right.” If Ovechkin, Crosby, and Nash said it, I’d believe it.
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And it’s always a big deal in the NBA, but it happens with so many NHL contracts too.
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by red army line on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention the fact that “taking less” in the NBA is not quite the same as taking less in the NHL. The starting salary, average salary and “maximum” salary all are significantly higher than what hockey players make.
Not that NHLers are struggling to make ends meet, of course, but I’m much more impressed when an NHL player takes less to win. And as you mentioned, it happens much more often.
The difference being that when I hear the NBA boys talking about how they’ll take less and live with lower numbers for the sake of winning, I hear, "yeah, right." If Ovechkin, Crosby, and Nash said it, I’d believe it.
Agreed. But if Ovechkin/Crosby/Nash played together, I doubt their numbers would be lower. Unlike in basketball, having superstar teammates in hockey helps your stats.
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So uh, this makes little sense in a Caps jersey, but I’m sure a team USA version would have been difficult to acquire.
Also, what’s up with his face?
by TFG on Jul 9, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No! Its on a Saturday! Shouldnt the Caps know how many fans are Jewish?!?
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by highslot84 on Jul 9, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The face kinda looks like Mats Sundin, doesn’t it? Not a bobble-head Sundin, but the real thing…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
My brother will be annoyed, though. he’s got a 40 Varly jersey.
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It’s not. it’s fresh, real ink. Look at the red around it. That’s typical of new ink.
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So many questions….who is that? would be the biggest one i suppose. But I’d quickly follow that with “why would someone get Varly tattooed on his arm?”
Or my tattoo of Scott Stevens wearing a Blues jersey
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Right next to the one of Gretzky wearing a Blues jersey?
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I’m typing this while shining up my Curtis Leschyshyn Capitals tattoo
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
- right? It’d be cool to change the name to Quenneville. Then I’d be impresseed.
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Is it on the leg with the Rick Tocchet or the one with the Trevor Linden?
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sergei Berezin
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by Rather Bengt on Jul 9, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always thought it was sweet to have a guy’s jersey before a number change – shows you’re a long-time fan, not some bandwagoner.
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by J.P. on Jul 9, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m fully behind you on this one. When Greenie was contemplating a number change I was fully behind it for this reason. Oh, what I wouldn’t give for a #14 Fehr jersey!
He owes me $20 for my #40 shirt.
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by cobracg on Jul 9, 2010 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Varly’s apparently changed from #40 to #1 per @capsmedia. Meh, whatever makes him happy.
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My feelings exactly. If he plays well in it, then great.
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Yup. If he stops the puck while wearing #1, okay by me.
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Bye bye Johnny…
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by red army line on Jul 9, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
"Hey, I thought it was my turn to wear #1!"
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I like it. there are no holes in that number
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting history with that #. For every Ron Low, Pat Riggin or Pete Peeters, there’s a Rollie Boutin, Martin Brochu and, of course, Rastislav Stana.
Ron Low (1974-77)
Gary Smith (1977-78)
Jim Bedard (1978-79)
Rollie Boutin (1979-81)
Pat Riggin (1982-85)
Pete Peeters (1985-89)
Mike Liut (1990-92)
Martin Brochu (1998-99)
Craig Billington (1999-02)
Rastislav Stana (2003-04)
Brent Johnson (2005-08)
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If you've forgotten how awesome Alex Ovechkin is...
NHL.com has a slide titled “Best of Ovechkin” and just going through those highlights…wow/
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But, but, all he does is cut to the middle and then cheap shot someone!
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by red army line on Jul 9, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hes an embarrassment to the game… clearly he isnt Canadian
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con artist…makes you feel safe with a two goal lead heading into the third and then he and his Swedish buddy take you down!!!
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by red army line on Jul 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk
Are the Devils really an option any more?
They’ve got 18 players under contract and about $4.7M in cap space, according to Capgeek.
Assuming Kovy won’t sign for less than 8…I don’t see how NJD can clear that cap space without creating further holes that would need ELC or replacement level patches. Which would make the acquisition of Kovalchuk kind of pointless.
Could be Atlanta or the KHL are the only real options at this point?
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I’m sure if they are still talking to him then they are still an option. They’ll have to move Zubrus and/or Rolston, which won’t be easy, but I think it’s possible. They’d probably have to move those guys for peanuts because it’s a salary dump, but if it lets you get Kovy then it might be worth it.
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Zubrus for 2C!
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin scored 50 with Zubrus as his center, it could work again…
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Aw, I miss Zubie. Nobody does the “rolls eyes to the ceiling in disgust at missing a wide-open net” move quite like he does.
Or as often.
Zubrus for Fleischmann?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 9, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t want to pay Zubrus the same as Matt Lombardi’s making for nearly as long?
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Zubrus should thank Ovechkin every night. The only years he had big numbers was when he was centering for Ovie and Clark. That tells you how good a player Ovechkin is. Anyone who can turn Chris Clark into a 30-goal guy is amazing. I loved having Clark on the team, but he was never a 20-goal guy before he played with Ovie (he had a string of years where he hit for exactly 10….)
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a lot of rebound opportunities when Zubrus is shooting, too, let’s not forget that.
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They’ll have to move Zubrus and/or Rolston
This is what I mean. If they move Zubie, then they’ve got to get someone to play center, with no cap room and (I think) no prospects who can move into the role. So they’d be looking at a replacement level guy to center Kovy and Parise/Zajac.
Handing the keys to a Ferrari to a drunken teenager, so to speak.
Can’t see it happening.
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No. 8 wingers under contract anyways. Everyone just wants the Devils to be saddled with him so they get screwed over in the long term
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Update your Development Camp guide. From Dmitry:
Just chatted with Kugryshev who said his visa wasn’t done on time; will miss the #Caps development camp.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 9, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily his fault. USCIS is a f’ed up place.
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Yeah, and who knew he would need a Visa sometime this summer…
Sometimes you need a criminal lawyer, sometimes you need a criminal lawyer.
I do think this kind of thing is more on the team than the player. You shouldn’t expect 19 year olds who have lived and breathed only hockey all their lives to be on top of this kind of thing.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my question. There are plenty of services to help with Visas. We use one at work that does a fantastic job.
Who’s responsibility was it?
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Of course not. His mom isn’t here to help him take care of this, and as mature as he is moving overseas, getting a Visa is a whole other issue. The team should have known he was going to be here in July and been on the ball about this way earlier. I didn’t mean to blame him solely, I just think it was a terrible lack of foresight for all involved.
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You can do everything right and still have your visa paperwork get lost. I had a friend of mine have it happen to them twice.
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I had to cancel a trip to Ireland a few years ago because the state department messed up my passport application and I didn’t have time to reapply.
Crap happens. Especially when you have to apply for visas and passports months in advance. If there’s a screw-up, they don’t give you any extra time, even if it’s their fault. Kuger isn’t the only hockey player to get caught in this—there was another prospect who just had the same issue.
Yeah. I keep my passport valid at all times, whether I’m traveling or not – beats fishing out my social security card every time I need to do an I-9! And I like to travel anyway, so it’s just a good thing to have around.
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Happens to baseball players all the time too. The paperwork is in MONTHS ahead of time and the somewhere in the US it gets held up by DHS or someone.
How do they (and hockey) handle it for games? Particularly for near-game call ups?
They don’t know the game night rosters months in advance.
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They don’t really. That’s why when a player gets traded from a Canadian to an American team (or vice versa), you often hear a story about visa issues holding up a player reporting to his new team.
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in fact, Matt Cooke was held up waiting for a work visa when he got traded to the Caps.
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I’m pretty sure that was related to immigration policy keeping felons out.
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by Rob Parker on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
does he have a record? I wasn’t aware of that.
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I find it astounding that the NHL can’t manage some sort of blanket agreement with the US and Canadian governments to prevent that sort of problem. Longest friendly border, teams split 4/5-1/5 in neighboring countries, etc.
by CapitalCentre on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the US government isn’t exactly rational when it comes to these sorts of things (imo, of course)
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ah, suddenly explains why certain people would never want to go to Canada with us. They all had multiple DUIs.
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Well, you can cross the border for tourist reasons without a visa.
I understand that the government wants to keep a closer eye on people who are coming to work, in that they will probably be more long-term residents.
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I can’t imagine or guess at the particulars, but from what I gather at the begining of the year teams are required to get H-2B Visas. I believe they last for the year (or it could be the season).
Often times though if you have DUI or minor problem (or someone with your name does) you can get kicked to another line and delayed a couple weeks, or months without getting answers.
Ahh, ok, so they can get the visa’s cleared for the year and not have to worry about it on a game by game basis. I was expecting something like that, but with government in charge, you never know what the requirements are
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Yeah and depending on what country it is from it can take longer too. I bet Russians take longer. I know that Venzuealan baseball players take longer.
Not to mention there have been player spies. Moe Berg was one of the most interesting guys ever in sports, and likely spying during his playing days.
uh-huh...
The equivalent of Al Czervik clutching his arm and shouting, “ooh! My arm!! I think it’s broken!!!”
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Dan Girardi re-signs with the Rangers.
4 years, 13m.
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Womp womp. Now… who thought Schultz’s contract was an overpayment?
How the hell are they going to keep Staal?
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I don’t know, but Sather keeps outdoing himself.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well actually, they don’t have too many spots to fill and have a little over 4 million to spend. They’ll wave Brash so that’s another 1.4. They can keep Staal but it will mean they a) have to give a near-minimum deal to their 7th D (not a big deal) and b) they won’t be able to make any real upgrades to their F corps (a big problem).
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Pretty sure they already waived Brashear.
Still, though, you gotta wonder – supposedly negotiations aren’t going well at all, and if Girardi gets paid this much you can imagine how much MS is worth.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct. They waived him and signed Boogaard.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 9, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
They’re going to bury Redden in the minors so his salary comes off and then Sather can overpay for Staal /rangerfan’d
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t Redden have a NMC?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He has a no-trade clause. He can also list 8 teams he will not accept a trade to.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
How the hell are they going to keep Staal?
This concerns you? :) I was rather hoping Staal would fall open, myself.
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Woooooooooooooooow. The Sharks have signed Hawks RFA Niklas Hjalmarsson to a four year, 14m offer sheet.
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Wow. If I were the Hawks i’d be a bastard and hit up Setoguchi with an offer sheet.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Just wow. 3.5 per year? He’s good, but holy crap that is an overpayment. That’s a 1 and a 3 for SJS too, right?
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Well his name kinda sounds like “hammer” so prolly.
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by bilspacecadet on Jul 10, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, 1st and 3rd
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 9, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, thats insane. He’s certainly a nice talent but thats steeeeeep. I’d let him go if I were Chicago.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you have much choice if you’re the Hawks. But I’d let him go and laugh all the way to the, um, draft…pick…bank.
No kidding. I mean, were they to trade him, he’s theoretically not worth a 1st and a 3rd. They’re sitting pretty.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and they can’t afford him so whatever. Throw the picks toward the rebuild and go find a D that can fill in for the short term.
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Keith/Seabrook
Campbell/Hendry
nobody/nobody
Losing Sopel/Hammer could actually hurt, here.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s got some value. 20+ goal scorers don’t grow on trees.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
K_C says you can’t offer sheet a guy that files for arbitration. Can anyone confirm or deny?
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Pretty sure I can confirm that. I’d have to dig to find the proper language, but its what I’ve heard.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
10.2(a)(i)(B) of the CBA says that if a player or club elects salary arbitration, then the player cannot negotiate with anyone other than his present club until that club walks away from the arbitration award.
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Wouldn’t it have to be something like a “sign-and-trade?”
I don’t know what would happen to arbitration in a trade. Would the next team have to go to arbitration?
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Yeah, I think so. Trading Flash at this point would just be trading the rights to negotiate with him prior to arbitration, and to enter arbitration with him should the other team not be able to get a deal done. I’d have to think that would lower his value somewhat.
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And I hope it stays that way. Please trade him. Please. Fucking. Trade. Him.
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by Rob Parker on Jul 9, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For what? His rights aren’t worth much.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
His rights are worth more than Ryan Parent, that’s for sure. He may not bring in a First round pick, but there are plenty of teams that could use a skilled player with a 20 goal season on his resume, RFA years left, and more upside on their roster. He should easily be able to fetch a 2nd, but he could also either bring a roster player straight up or be part of a package that brings a roster player to fill an actual need.
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His rights are worth more than Ryan Parent, that’s for sure.
Well DUH. ;)
Hamhuis’ rights alone got a 3rd from Pittsburgh. Are Flash’s rights worth more than that? I can’t say that they are.
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Flash’s rights are worth at least a 2nd. Hammer didn’t sign. Flash either signs or you get another form of compensation. PIT giving up a 3rd for Hamhuis was dumb. A 2 for Flash isn’t terrible for the right team, including yours.
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PIT giving up a 3rd for Hamhuis was dumb.
It was a waste, but because they knew Hamhuis’ state of mind for sure, they called Michalek at 12:01. Is it dumb to sacrifice a 5% chance at a decent NHL player for getting a big jump on free agency — and pulling in a guy to help?
I don’t think so. It was a waste, but a price worth paying.
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I just like that he got both the Flyers and Pens to give up assets while ultimately signing out West…that made me happy :)
by Becca H on Jul 9, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s still a dick.
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Did he say something about Nashville recently? I hadn’t heard specifics but I’m seeing a lot of vitriol coming from you and Dirk on Twitter lately…and here, obviously :P
Yeah. He said that the attendance at the Canucks fan-fest dealio was like the attendance at a Nashville home game and whatnot. Whatever, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Dan.
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I don’t see it that way. He didn’t owe Pittsburgh or Philly anything. I know that he at least honestly listened to Pittsburgh — I think Philly turned him off when they couldn’t promise him a big role in lieu of already having Pronger/Timonen/Carle.
That’s all I guess you can ask. It was his right to see what was on the open market and you can’t blame a guy for going close to his home, especially with a longer term and more money than you would have been comfortable giving. At least I can’t blame him.
Maybe as a Preds fan you deservedly don’t see it that way.
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Haha, I think we’ve misunderstood each other. I think he was perfectly justified in testing the market, we agree on that. I was calling him out for being the best community Predator ever, leaving, and talking shit about his city of 7 years.
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I dunno. There was some writing on the wall with Hamhuis. Shero could have called him at 12:01 and called Michalek at 12:05 and it would have played out the same. I just don’t see your farm as in position to be giving up 3rd round picks for 4 days of UFA negotiations. Especially when, as is clear, there were other suitable options.
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“Writing on the wall” isn’t clear enough, especially in the fog of war once 12:00 hits. I don’t think a GM could have definitively known about Hamhuis in less than five minutes, especially since he entertained offers and didn’t sign late on July 1. By that point all of Gonchar, Michalek, Martin and Volchenkov were off the market.
Sacrificing a 3rd round pick was worth it to come out of the UFA market with an upgraded defense.
3rd round picks are getting into the range where you’re not even guaranteed professional contracts for some of the prospects that didn’t develop according to plan. NBD really.
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The word was out that Hamhuis wanted to go to Vancouver and it was pretty clear he was looking for 4+ the whole time, even before he went to PIT.
You can dismiss 3rd round picks. I would too if GMGM drafted like GMRS. But then again, we’ve got Eakin and Galiev so 3rds look a lot better to us.
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I guess I don’t totally dismiss the pick as much as I’ve indicated, a team can certainly snag a good prospect (whether that actually amounts to an NHL player is a different story).
But I’d gladly give up a 3rd to avoid the Hossa situation where you get strung along by a UFA and then end up with Satan and Fedotenko.
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Two Problems.
Flash can’t be traded until post arbitration.
While we could trade for Staal, we can’t give him an offer sheet as NYR already have our 2nd rounder next year.
I am not aware of anything that says you can’t trade a player who has filed for arbitration.
As to an offer sheet, I don’t expect it to happen, but the Caps have all their other picks so they could make an offer if it is in a range that doesn’t involve the second round pick.
These are not perfect examples because these were waivers not a trade, but there have been a few players put on waivers after they have filed for arb.
One example, Dawes filed for arb with Phoenix, Phoenix waived him, Calgary claimed him, Calgary and Dawes agreed to a contract before the arb. hearing took place.
Another, the Wild put Stephane Veilleux on waivers after he filed for salary arb., no one claimed him, and then they reached an agreement before the hearing.
Someone would have to look up the rules for me...
But I seem to remember during the Kessel stuff last year that…
1. Once a player has filed for arbitration that they can not be traded until they are either signed or post arbitration.
2. That one can not make an offer sheet without all of their original picks, regardless of the offers price.
I don’t think 1 is true. It’s nowhere in the CBA (and I looked for it. Hard.)
Two isn’t true either. You just have to have the original picks that would be given as compensation for signing the offer sheet. Toronto had to trade to get their second round pick back because the offer sheet they were going to give to Kessel would have required a first, second, and third round pick as compensation.
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Kessel was an RFA offer sheet issue, not an arbitration issue. If a team offers an offer sheet then the other team can’t trade his rights before the one week period is up, and if they match they can’t trade the player for a full year. I don’t think there is an analogous rule for arbitration.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Although his bargaining stance kills the whole “cheap goals” angle we could have played up.
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NYR and Bruins could use some expensive goals. Buffalo too. (and yes, I know Boston can’t afford expensive goals)
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But in the form of Flashmallow?
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Glen. Sather.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease…
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Glen Sather has a remarkable talent for making trades. Somehow, he manages to convince other teams to take on his terrible contracts (see, e.g., Gomez, Scott; Kotalik, Ales).
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True. Some grow underground…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you have much choice if you’re the Hawks.
14 players signed, $3.6 million in cap space. yeah, I’d say they have no choice. I hope Chicago enjoys the hell out of the Cup, because after this year it’s gone and it ain’t coming back for a while.
I know one Hawks fan who would prefer the team match Hjalmarsson’s offer sheet and let Niemi walk, instead…
And do what, play Huet? LOL.
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He spent all last year down in Rockford. Not with the Peaches though.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 9, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with F&B, overpayment. I’ve seen so many people brag about him but in the Stanley Cup Finals games 3&4 in Philly he was downright awful. Quenneville was lucky he could play Keith and Seabrook 30 minutes a night and hide some of the other weak links on D. Put me in the camp of not a fan of Hjalmarsson.
The pricetag is the bigger deal. I know he had a good year and has some nice upside, but his second contract you are giving him 3.5? Where does that leave you in 4 years? Very short-sighted by SJS and I’d be shocked if CHI matches.
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It’s a first and a third rounder. I’d say that’s something.
And I’m not dismissing the salary. That’s rough.
Well, late 1st unless SJ sucks next season.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 9, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but if SJS can sign Gooch and keep that core together they won’t absolutely need that first and third in the short term. You can’t make a living giving the picks away, but Hjalmarsson is going to make their D significantly better.
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Considering Blake retired; yeah – but this is a little pricey for a player like him. Could pay off, though.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 9, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The Sharks are a well-run team and they obviously see something in Hjalmarsson. In this era, though, it’s such a big number for a guy that really isn’t All-Star (or All-Star lite) quality.
And it makes it harder to keep him in your core going forward. Because he’ll take a raise off this contract for his next one.
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Chicago local news reporting a Ford Bronco in red and black with a Blackhawks logo on in on the Dan Ford driving some guy named shlamrsersersson to O’Hare Airport.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Game On!
Although at that rate, the Hawks can match it.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t see how they can match it? Even if they turn the bottom 5 players on their roster into minimum salary guys, they’d be over the cap.
No?
They’d have to park Huet in the AHL (at least he doesn’t have a NMC) in order to free up his cap space in order to even contemplate that.
They’ll just have to let him go and collect the picks. Ideally I think they’d like to have a young roster player back for Kjallmerson, in addition to a pick, so they’re kinda screwed there. But the dollars are too high for that guy, so they just have to lay there and take it now.
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Dunno if its been mentioned but Varly has changed his number from 40 to 1.
He’s worn #1 in the past notably at the world juniors in 07 when he medaled for Russia.
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Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Dunno where you got that news from...
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Thoughts on Jay Feaster going to CGY? Does that make them better or worse? Feaster oversaw the Cup win, but also sent them down the path of contract implosion that has turned the franchise into a joke.
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A friend of mine that is a Rags fan just texted me that the Rangers traded Voros for Eminger.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s team #5 for Eminger, right?
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At this rate he’ll soon be challenging Sillinger’s title.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 9, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Tampa and Florida sorta blended together. How many times has he been traded?
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Following the transitive property, John Carlson is as good as Aaron Voros and Ryan Hillier.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 9, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez, I could think about that trade all day. Thank you, Philly.
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Guys I don’t have all the details yet, but I know you have been discussing it in a previous thread, but it looks like Aaron Voros has been traded to Anaheim with Ryan Hiller for Steve Eminger
Girardi, Eminger, Redden, Rozival, Gilroy, Del Zotto. Is it the highway for Staal?
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From the Department of Baseless Speculation, would the Hurricanes be willing to go a little over their self-imposed league-minimum cap in order to bring a third Staal into the organization?
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I’m afraid the universe will implode if 3 Staals are on the same team. And I don’t want the universe to implode until I’ve seen the Caps win the Cup.
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Just be glad there aren’t five of ’em. They could become Hockey Voltron.
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This is great. Rags get Eminger, ANA gets a spot to play Fowler. This will be hysterical.
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by Rob Parker on Jul 9, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the Rags take a slightly larger cap hit.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 9, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s official. Flyers sign Nik ZherhehehehehehehohohohahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHohmanIjusthadamomenttheredev.
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by Wheeler on Jul 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Can’t wait to see the terms.
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Real excited over at BSH, btw.
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I really want what they’re smoking in the Flyers front office.
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