Tuesday Caps Clips
by J.P. on Jul 6, 2010 7:23 AM EDT
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- More on the three Caps who filed for arbitration ahead of yesterday's deadline. [Dump n' Chase]
- A trio of opinions on George McPhee's July so far. [RMNB, StC, Examiner]
- The ten biggest free agency busts of the past decade (spoiler alert: you-know-who makes the list). [Winnipeg Sun]
- Checking the bargain bin for centers. [Hockey Or Die]
- A look at the starboard side of the S.S. Capitals. [Live in Red]
- Alex Ovechkin lends his name and time to a good cause. [The Diana Vishneva Foundation]
- Dmitri Orlov will be at Development Camp. Sweet. [AllHockey.ru via Google Translate]
- Some killer Caps cards. [Capitals Outsider]
- In case you missed it over the holiday weekend, the top five U.S.A. Hockey moments of 2010, featuring a familiar name in the top spot. [Puck Daddy]
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On the Free Agency busts in the linked article from the Winnipeg Sun, I’ve noticed that several of them were by the New York Rangers.
Also, the site having the translated article on Orlov has a link to a story that Kovy will return to the Devils (or is that a link to an incorrect story later debunked).
Rocking the Red since 1975
I would like the start the "Bring Back Jeff Halpern" campaign.....
Whose with me???
Anyone?
Anyone??
Halpern ain’t what he used to be, and the team already has Dave Steckel and Boyd Gordon.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re Jews?
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by J.P. on Jul 6, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alexander Offerman – Nicholas Backman – Michael Kohen
Alexander Samson – Marcus Jacobsen – Eric Fairsteen
Brooks Levy – Mathew Pearlman – Andrew Goodman
Jason Chaim – David Stiller – Mathew Brandeis
Carl Allan – Mike Greenberg
Jeffrey Stein – Jonathan Cantor
Tomas Podlesh – Jonathan Eisen
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
He’s dead. Also: not a Jew. (Just ask him. Except you can’t. Cause he’s dead.)
Sandy Koufax?
Walter Sobchak?
by bilspacecadet on Jul 6, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t they just exhume Fischer’s body to see if he was the father of some kid? I saw it on the NY Post’s homepage when I went to laugh at the Kovalchuk reports…
Yes. They’re trying to determine if he’s the father of this child in the Philippines.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
How could I forget Alexander Charlamov and Michael Newberg?
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, apparently Volchkov tends to be a Russian Jewish surname.
by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Jul 6, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Meaning “Batshit Insane”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Old Gray Mare...
She ain’t what she used to be…
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on Jul 6, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hockey or Die:
Belanger probably won’t be looking for much more than a 2-year deal
huh. thats new
And anyone like Dominic Moore for a little depth at center? I know 2C is the main concern and he wouldn’t fit this, but if the Caps could get him for a low cap hit, he’d be a nice 3C.
I’d much prefer to see what MP can do in a 3C position in camp before overpaying for a guy who may be available for much cheaper much closer to the season opener (as Moore was last year).
Look at this signature line. Notice the lack of spelling errors and self-whoring?
Somewhat lost in the whole 2C mess is the question of who will be the 3C. The initial assumption was probably MarJo/MP/Flash, as the “new guy” would be 2C. Now it seems to be whichever of those current Caps doesn’t get the 2C spot. But there’s time yet to add a 2C or a 3C. I personally don’t see much sense in paying much for a 3C right now, but I also don’t want to see David Steckel centering the 3rd line on opening night.
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I don’t think MP is a 3rd line center. He needs to be on the top two lines to be successful.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree. I could see Chimmer-MP-Fehr working.
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Yes. If I could chose, I would rather the Caps have an excellent 2nd-line center than a mediocre 3rd-liner. Tough choice, though.
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by J.P. on Jul 6, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
All this talk of trades and MP… are there any other rookies Centers we got that are ripe for the NHL yet?
Well, perhaps Johansson. Very, very longshot on Eakin. And Beagle is probably NHL-ready for the role which he’d be needed (but that’s obviously not a scoring-line role). Otherwise, nope.
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It’s entirely possible that the player under contract for next year who is most prepared to step in and give the Caps what they need at 2C in October is…
…Keith Aucoin.
(honestly, not a bad option if the plan is to bank cap dollars in pursuit of Brad Richards)
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Blah blah too small. Tater’s great, but the same criticisms to be said about him are the same criticisms that are said about MP, with the addition of “AAAA player”, and I’d rather MP get the chance.
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He needs to be on the top two lines to be successful.
Let us pray.
I think he can do it. I’;m always afraid his bite-sizedness is going to be a liability but so far it seems to be working for him. He always seems to be slipping past huge defenders and draws a lot of penalties. What is a simple push against another player is a headshot against him :)
He sticks to the puck like glue when battling in the corners too.. kind of Backstrom-esque.
The sample size is as small as the man to whom they refer. I’m not nearly as optimistic as most around here about his long-term ability to land and hold the 2C job.
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I think a lot of us are underselling the potential for Johansson to be capable of that spot – I get that most of us have very little info on him but it’s not like GMGM to come out and say a guy no one’s seen is capable of being in the NHL right now.
As I understand it he’s kind of a lesser Backstrom, right? I just don’t think he should be ruled out as 2nd line center, and while there’s no guarantee he makes it I think he’s being left out of the discussion. Which leaves us with Matty P and Flash. Which is why people are panicking.
The problem is that his skill set maps to the NHL better as a great 3C. Even once he’s fully integrated into the league he may be more of a stopgap 2C.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Until we see what he can and can’t do on this side of the pond, I’d be hesitant to pigeonhole his skill set.
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I was kind of wondering that about Johansson as well. I don’t expect a second coming of Backstrom, but he was still a first round pick. Backstrom became a first line center at age 20 (late fall birthday), why can’t Johansson make second line center at 20 (birthday in October)?
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from the examiner article
For despite being 15 million under the cap and having definite needs in terms of getting a shutdown defender and second line center, we haven’t done anything, as others like Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and New Jersey pulled the trigger on deals that should vastly solidify their team, especially on defense.
Misleading as the $15m cap space does not include Schultz, fehr, etc. As discussed yesterday, if these guys arb hearings go well (for them) that true cap space is more like in the five range. You sign one of the fa dmen he’s talking about then you are talking about next to no cap space barring a trade.
That said, I do agree with the tone, that this team was a playoff flop and while experience and age will help make them better, it probably won’t be enough. But my calendar says July not September.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
I’m always somewhat disappointed at first glance when nothing happens during free agency or the trade deadline, but after waiting a few days I’m pretty happy with GMGM this offseason. We’ve still got Flash and I’ll be pretty upset if the Caps let him go for nothing or can’t trade him due to arbitration. If GMGM can sign him before arbitration and get something in a trade then this offseason will be a success. Less is more.
You sign one of the fa dmen he’s talking about then you are talking about next to no cap space barring a trade.
You’re also probably talking about choosing between Green and Carlson in a couple of years.
Also, pet peeve: “we”? C’mon.
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Yea, “we” is annoying but acceptable coming from a fan, from an actual print journalist its inexcusable.
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examiner isn’t professional print journalism. the standards JP has for bringing on new bloggers here is higher than the examiners.
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Drives me crazy about any Halberstam book I read when he uses the “we”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that the Examiner’s Caps stories are written by someone with less hockey knowledge than my 10 year old nephew, right?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
That’s an insult to not just your nephew but all 10-year olds. I feel like half my brain cells just died reading that “article”.
There is a difference between the Examiner’s beat reporter (McNally), and the guy who posts a blog there.
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Absolutely true, and they’re actually entirely different publications. McNally (who I think is quite good) writes for the D.C. Examiner, while this is “The Examiner.”
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vastly solidify
What the hell does that mean? Anyway, the only team he mentions that actually improved their defense with a big name free agent signing is Pittsburgh, and it took two signings and $9 Million to do it. I don’t think either Martin or Michalek is as good as Gonchar was two years ago.
New Jersey just replaced one departing player with another who is not nearly as good a fit with their team, and Philly didn’t “vastly solidify” anything by signing a single 40-year old.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
the only team he mentions that actually improved their defense with a big name free agent signing is Pittsburgh, and it took two signings and $9 Million to do it. I don’t think either Martin or Michalek is as good as Gonchar was two years ago.
Don’t forget, too, that Martin and Michalek basically replace Gonchar and Scuderi and Gill.
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But Ray Shero’s a genius, so signing Martin and Michalek and not addressing your biggest need on wing has to be the right move.
Don’t be a silly goose! Moving Malkin to the wing and pairing him with Staal will solve their problems!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know that it’s terrible – they have a mediocre goalie, so building a strong D in front of him is probably a good way to go.
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I don’t know if I’d call MAF mediocre. Inconsistent maybe. But as to the D signings, I won’t argue that they’re going to help. The point is that Pens have to go into the free agent market because their pipeline from WB-Scranton is basically empty and that falls on the GM. The Caps can bring up Alzner and Carlson on entry level contracts while the Penguins have to go out and overpay free agent defenseman. And because they’ve boxed themselves into that corner, there’s no money left to fill glaring needs on wing. Yet Shero is hailed as a genius when he’s basically correcting his own mistakes.
You might not call MAF mediocre, but the stats do.
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by J.P. on Jul 6, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eye-opening. Not really numbers you would expect out of a first overall pick.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s kind of like the guy with his head in the oven and his feet in the freezer. On balance, he’s average.
We’ve all seen MAF look spectacular, and we’ve all seen him look bad.
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Stat-wise agreed. But I have a hard time calling a guy who’s led his team to two Finals and won a Cup mediocre. A lot of people called Grant Fuhr average, but winning can trump a lot of things. Maybe overrated is the better description of Fleury.
Riding the storm isn’t really leading the team to the finals.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s better than Cam Ward.
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Their numbers are pretty much exactly the same
MAF:
281 144 92 33 738 7970 7232 .907 2.77 15 16010
Ward:
272 138 100 24 717 7578 6861 .905 2.79 12 15415
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just busting balls, but when you factor in the salary MAF looks even better.
Sometimes you need a criminal lawyer, sometimes you need a criminal lawyer.
Strangely enough, Ward’s deal is 6/37, and MAF’s deal is 7/35.
Ward’s cap hit is 6.3, MAF’s is 5.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And they’re both the same age, except Ward is about nine months older (February 29, 1984 vs. November 28, 1984, which is also beyond eerie)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And Ward’s deal was signed this year, right before the year of the goalie decline. You think they still love that contract? It’s not a big deal because they don’t have anyone else to pay right now, but locking up a goalie for 6+ after this season doesn’t look so hot.
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If you look at the moves in isolation they were good moves. When Pittsburgh won a Cup, they did it largely as a product of the unheralded defensive play of Scuderi and Gill, good (finally) playoff goaltending, and grinders who paid a price. The Penguins never replaced the Scuderi and Gill part. Michalek and Martin go a ways to doing that, although until they actually play, nothing is certain.
But if you do look at it in context, the Penguins still have the persistent winger problem that confounds them as much as the lack of center depth does for the Caps. Although the thing that might be most intriguing about the Penguins this year might be their chronically underachieving power play. New coach for that special teams unit this year.
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Disagree. They don’t have a persistent winger problem. Sid makes everyone around him better, so how can they have a persistent winger problem?
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well, there is that, of course... Here are next year's top left and right wings
I’m guessing 60 goals, combined.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 6, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll be curious to see how the Penguins powerplay, which was average last season, responds to losing one of the point men in the game. Michalek and Martin may be better defensively, but they don’t hold a candle to Gonchar offensively.
Time for Letang and Goligoski to step it up on the offensive side of things.
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Their W problem is not nearly is damaging as our C problem.
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Agree.
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Irrespective of PIT’s luck with the lottery, Shero is a very solid GM. He cobbled together a first line out of dust at the deadline two years ago and while he has given away a ton of picks, he has built the team properly to compete every year. Hard to quibble with his track record.
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Pitt had the cap space to address either their D or their Wings, but not both. And with no prospects ready to step in this year, they had no choice but the FA route.
They overpaid for Martin and Michalek, and they’ll regret those contracts before they’re done.
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But Ray Shero’s a genius, so signing Martin and Michalek and not addressing your biggest need on wing has to be the right move.
Other than the Hossa rental, the Pens have had a rotating poo-poo platter of wingers for the last three years (and I guess Ryan Malone, but he’s the best of a bad lot) and it hasn’t stopped them from hovering around the top five in the NHL in scoring. I don’t think that’s going to change next year, regardless of whether or not who they line up next to Crosby and Malkin are true “top-six” wingers.
Their defense, on the other hand, was pretty bad. I think they got better marginal return by going big on free-agency defenders than they would have by adding offensive pieces of any stripe; there was a lot more to gain by shoring it up.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 6, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite fight of his was the one he had with Craig Coxe. Just awesome.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Not only a badass, but also scored the final goal in Maple Leaf Gardens history. RIP.
by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Jul 6, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
People forget dude could actually play too. Two 20 goal seasons (and a 19 goal season), and in his best year he put up 29/33/62 in 74 games. With 398 PIMs. Unbelievable.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Finished his career with 163/221/384 and 3300 PIMs.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe Probie’s dead. Too many years of hard living. I heard that he never did beat the drug and alcohol thing.
Some people just have demons they can’t overcome.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a huge Mitch Albom fan, but this is a fine article about the late #24.
John Carlson - Glory follows him.
I’d trade Flash for him, straight up.
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Weird that people actually want a player that shows up when it matters and doesn’t just waste a roster spot.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 6, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Bizarro. Personally I like cap-sucking, roster space-wasting guys myself. And if the coach can have some kind of weird crush on him, all the better!!
In that case, it looks like you’re sittin’ pretty!
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 6, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
How in the world did that not make the list?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Jagr was a trade and then signed to an extension. His disaster of a deal wasn’t a UFA deal.
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7 years and 77 million….Christ….
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
In fairness, dude was far and away the best player in the game.
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Very true….look at his 5 years before the trade:
1995-96 PIT 82 62 87 149
1996-97 PIT 63 47 48 95
1997-98 PIT 77 35 67 102
1998-99 PIT 81 44 83 127
1999-00 PIT 63 42 54 96
2000-01 PIT 81 52 69 121
I can’t remember where I heard it, but i’ve heard some stories about his time here related to his gambling. To the point where he was in so much debt, he was pretty much living in the worst neighborhood in the world.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, as I recall, that was the height of the Trap Era, which makes those numbers even more impressive.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No. And that term’s not acceptable.
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by J.P. on Jul 6, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jagr was gone when Nylander was signed as a UFA- we traded for him during his first stint when Jagr was here.
by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Jul 6, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
“traded for him” to mean Nylander, that is.
by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Jul 6, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh. The second time we got Nylander back was after his Ranger stint. I guess playing with Jagr beefed up his stats so GMGM maybe thought he was a better player than he actually was.
He fit the system at the time. Not so much when Bruce came in. Didn’t help he was hurt a lot too.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, let’s not forget that he was still a point per game player on the Hanlon/Boudreau Caps before his shoulder injury in 07/08.
by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Jul 6, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The Caps did get Robert Lang in an attempt to bring in a center who’d had previous success with Jagr. And that deal was great for the Caps. Lang was the Caps best player for a season, and his trade was one of the best of the rebuild.
By the way, Lang’s still out there and he had a nice season for himself last year in Phoenix.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
He also turns 40 in December and is coming off a year where he put up 9/20/29 in 62 games. No thanks.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
for some unexplained reason, Lang’s also been one of those guys I have a soft spot for, so I was quite happy for him to find a place with Phoenix last season.
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I always thought Lang got a bad deal here from Caps fans, who seemed to regard him as lazy. I was always amazed at his ability to anticipate, to be able to find voids in the defense, appear in them, and get scoring chances. Very economical player.
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I was in Wisconsin during his Caps years, so I was pretty well insulated from what was being said about him in DC. I had to hope the Caps were on ESPN or beg my parents to tape games and send them to me! I enjoyed watching him when I could (which wasn’t as often as I would have liked)
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Not really. He was a fine player and was acquired to play in a different system than the one the Caps currently employ. There was no faulty logic in signing Nylander to center the best goal scorer in the world and mentor a young stud from his home country. The NMC was a mistake, but the deal itself wasn’t, I maintain.
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by J.P. on Jul 6, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Errrrrmmm… I still don’t like that deal. Nylander’s a nifty stickhandler and a good passer, but there’s a reason he’s bounced around as much as he has. He regularly makes horrendous turnovers and he manages to do it in the worst possible places on the ice. His defense leaves much to be desired, and with greater distance his “point per game” performance is looking more and more like a Jagr-fueled mirage.
Still, put him at #2C and I’d wager that he’d outperform (points-wise) Cullen or Lombardi.
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I think it was a good move at the time for that Caps team. Alex needed a center. Nick needed a mentor (or so it was thought). The team needed a legit playmaker.
The terms were a bit heavy, but the Caps had to overpay at that point. And obviously the NMC was a nightmare. But I still think it was a good move at the time.
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Agreed, the Caps had traded away Zubrus and everyone knew that the Caps needed a top line center for Ovi. Backstrom was still unknown as a NHL player, heck I don’t think they knew if he needed to spend time in Hershey or not. Datsyuk had resigned with the Wings and all of the big names signed mega deals that first day. Nyls was the best guy left.
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Agreed. The Nylander signing made sense at the time. It clearly backfired, but it was a pretty well heralded move before the system change, and the torn rotator cuff eliminated Nylander’s effectiveness.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 6, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I (and I’m sure others) always forget that rotator cuff injury until someone brings it up. And then I remember that Nylander was so damn determined to play through it because the season was just getting back on track. He wanted to play so badly.
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Jagr was a trade and then signed to an extension
He scored 121 points for the Pens before the trade. (52 goals)… Why on earth would Pittsburgh want him traded? Unless they just plain couldn’t afford him.
Bingo. They were in dire financial straits and started their dump-and-rebuild.
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IIRC, yes – but I’m not sure he even really wanted to be traded, I think he was trying to squeeze more money out of the team and they called his bluff.
Oops.
In the context of the time, he might have been trying to force a deal to the Rangers, who were seen as the Penguins’ only suitor (at least publicly). The very day he was traded, Brooksie wrote a column that more or less said, “Craig… take the Ranger deal and like it.”
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So much for logic
I am convinced that had the Capitals, instead of the Penguins, added a veteran presence in trading for Bill Guerin, we would have won that series and may have even gone to the Stanley Cup. Yet it didn’t happen.
This needs to change. We must be more aggressive.
the Caps absolutely need to add some additional pieces.
I’m guessing the writer didn’t follow the Caps in 08-09, otherwise he would have noticed how being aggressive and signing additional pieces like Fedorov and Theodore on top of guys like Poti, Nylander and Kozlov the summer prior had the Caps so hard up against the salary cap that they couldn’t make any deadline deals.
What a poorly thought out and poorly-written article.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
How about the aggressive move to trade for a goalie when you have the face of the franchise trying to lead the team to the playoffs? Sounds ballsy to me.
And the Caps simply couldn’t trade for Guerin at the time due to Clark and Pothier uncertainty. Probably their own fault for painting themselves into that corner, but it was just an impossibility. But we know that.
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And they painted themselves into that corner by being pretty aggressive.
It’s one thing to be aggressive when there’s something out there worth going after that you really need. This free agent market was absolutely barren in terms of what the Caps needed, and the prices for spare parts were through the roof. Other than Kurtis Foster (who might have made an interesting Sloskine replacement), there haven’t been many signings that I wish we had made instead.
Now, if it comes out a couple years from now that GMGM made no attempts at moving obvious trade candidates like Semin and Flash and we end up with Flash as our #2C all year – then by all means grab the torches and pitchforks. Until then, everyone needs to take a Xanax.
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Other than Kurtis Foster (who might have made an interesting Sloskine replacement), there haven’t been many signings that I wish we had made instead.
Exactly. And here’s the thing – even for Foster, there were probably other teams bidding. I think we forget that just wanting a guy and trying to get him don’t automatically equal getting him. Ultimately the player has to decide where he wants to go and it has to be the perfect fit of team, term, $, etc. My favorite thing is people assuming that McPhee’s been playing solitaire in his office or something just because we haven’t signed someone.
Specifically regarding Foster, I’m firmly against throwing FA dollars (and cap space) at third-pairing guys. The Caps have the warm bodies to round out the bottom end of the D corps.
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I respectfully disagree with this line of thinking. Given that the Caps aren’t hard up against the cap, any and all upgrades are exactly that – upgrades which make the team better. If it’s a move that bumps Erskine out of the top six with a new #6, it’s still a better Caps team for it.
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But is the game worth the candle?
Once the RFA/arb deals are accounted for, the team will likely have room for one major upgrade. I’d prefer to save the cap space rather than get a Foster-type guy for the bottom pairing.
No?
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I think the tacit assumption here is that a depth deal doesn’t preclude you from making an impact move. I think we all agree that we wouldn’t want a 3rd-pairing defenseman who prevents the team from bringing in a top-four or a 2C (which is why Bieksa might not work here).
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Well, then, yes. If an upgrade down the lineup doesn’t preclude an upgrade at the top, then by all means. I’m in favor of all upgrades, generally. Who isn’t?
I was speaking from a tactical persepctive with regard to Foster and his like: it’s better to conserve ammunition until the RFA situation is sorted out, and we see what the market holds at the end of the summer.
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(and I realize that I didn’t spell this out in the original post, for the record).
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I’m bangin’ the drum for Mike Mottau, if he can be had for 1.3 to 1.5 and short years – he had himself a pretty decent season in Jersey and he’d be a nice 4-5 type player, I think.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 6, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mottau’s a pretty good player, and he can step up and play big minutes if needed. I think his ATOI in Jersey was somewhere around 22 minutes. And he hasn’t been resigned by the Devils; I have to think he’s an option for the Caps at that time and term.
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How about the aggressive move to trade for a goalie when you have the face of the franchise trying to lead the team to the playoffs? Sounds ballsy to me.
Not to mention dealing your captain mid-season while you have the best record in the NHL.
The way the “the Caps aren’t aggressive!” meme has spread in the last week has really been amazing. In the two deadlines they had the means to make a move, they acquired a total of seven players. They dealt their captain for a third liner. They benched Olie when they thought they had a better option. They’ve added player in the free agent market. It’s simply absurd to say they’re not aggressive.
People don’t want aggressive, they want stupid, which brings me to another point. If you look at the teams that have had recent sustained success in the NHL, they’re not the ones going out and getting the big names free agents or selling the the farm at the deadline. They’re the ones who decide what their core is, build around it, and add players who fit when they become available at a reasonable price.
by David Getz on Jul 6, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It’s all part of the instant analysis mentality that exists at places like TSN and the Hockey News who insist on listing winners and losers three hours into day one. I still believe that McPhee will make some moves before training camp, but he needs to know how the Schultz, Fehr and Flash contracts turn out before he does anything. That’s just basic business sense. Others can rip him for a lack of moves ( like a certain host on the Saturday radio show), but the Caps don’t need a lot and there is still plenty out there and the price is going down with each passing day.
It’s all part of the instant analysis mentality that exists at places like TSN and the Hockey News who…
… have to sell advertising.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This might be the one problem with the online world – bits and quotes and 140-characters have taken the place of thoughtful analysis, and instant analysis has taken the place of waiting to see what bears fruit.
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If you look at the teams that have had recent sustained success in the NHL, they’re not the ones going out and getting the big names free agents or selling the the farm at the deadline. They’re the ones who decide what their core is, build around it, and add players who fit when they become available at a reasonable price
dingdingdingdingdingding… winnah winnah, chicken dinnah! Look at how many players signed big multi-year contracts with new teams since the lockout… see many (any) Stanley Cup winners in there? Even Marian Hossa needed more than one try.
No one yet knows with any certainty what the Caps’ 23-man roster will look like on opening night (or, say, Chicago or New Jersey, both of which would appear to have serious cap problems). Until then, it seems a bit silly to be giving out final grades.
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Lets not forget, they also signed Theodore about two seconds after Huet turned them down. That was pretty aggressive.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. And they could’ve been “aggressive” and matched Huet’s ridiculous demands… like Chicago did.
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and I am forever grateful that Huet jumped ship.
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by RedBirdie on Jul 6, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, Mackan and Orlov are already in DC. Per @capsmedia:
Marcus Johansson and Dmitri Orlov are getting a jump on Development Camp, on the ice now at Kettler. Camp starts Monday!
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wooo hooo! Can’t want to see them!
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I bet they love this weather.
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I just saw that – made me sad, I live 3 blocks from Kettler and I’m at WORK like a sap!! Stupid adult responsibility.
I wonder if anyone will be at KCI this weekend…
Go now! During the lunch break! Or do you not also work similarly close?
by DrinkingPartner on Jul 6, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly I work up in Maryland…I’m pondering trying to finagle my hours a bit so I can just come in late next Friday morning and catch some of development camp, but barring that I’ll only make it out there on the weekends.
I work in Gaithersburg. I’m just gonna have to ditch if I want to make it for any of the camp.
by DrinkingPartner on Jul 6, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you. Luckily the last day is a Saturday – it’ll be a bit of a shitshow because it’s a FanFest type of thing and for some reason people around here are all into hockey now, but I don’t mind. Just want to see the baby Caps. Hockey in July, woo!!
I’ll be there with Ovech, JDC, and Highslot. I can’t wait for the scrimmage.
by DrinkingPartner on Jul 6, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
CapitalCentre and I will be there, too!
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Yes! I’m tempted to bring baked goods for Nate Ewell.
by CapitalCentre on Jul 6, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Best news I’ve heard all day. I’d love to see those guys find a way to stay in North America all year.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlov is signed with his Russian team for two more years. Via this link, the Caps would have to buy out his contract. (Don’t have any numbers, and Metallurg isn’t in a hurry to release "one of its best young defenders). But the fact that he’s here a week ahead of time might indicate they are thinking about trying.
Not sure how he would add gritty veteran depth on the blueline just yet, though.
How can TSN have a Top-10 Hardest Hitters and not include Ovechkin when you include Dion Phaneuf?
by DrinkingPartner on Jul 6, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
He’s not Canadian?
I forget who they had there, but I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone on that list was. It IS TSN, after all.
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Ovechkin only hits people hard when it’s from behind or a headshot! Go Flyers!
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Ovechkin only hits people hard when it’s from behind or a headshot while driving his knee into them and leaving his feet! Go Flyers!
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The Draft
This is old news, but I was out of pocket during the draft. I thought the Caps had a pretty good draft? Was that the general consensus here?
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My own, absolutely uninformed (having seen none of these guys play and seeing only a couple in cheesy “come out from behind the curtain” photos) take?
Evgeny Kuznetsov C/RW — Pprobably picked (26th) far below where his talent should have landed him (top-ten), perhaps higher than he might have been slotted by other teams, given the “Russian problem” of bringing players to North America. I suppose at some point he and Johansson could duke it out to see which gets the 2C and which gets the 2RW spot. That would be, I suspect, Kuznetsov’s high end.
Stanislav Galiev F — Bigger body than Kuznetsov, already has a year in North America (QMJHL). Another guy who went a lot later (3rd round/86th) than his talent projected (low first/early second round?). Perhaps a “next generation” top-six forward a few years down the road or a scoring winger on a third line that is used as a scoring line.
Philipp Grubauer G — odd pick, but the Caps traded up to get it (sending the 116th and 146th pick to Toronto for the 112th pick, used here). Scouting reports were all over the place on this guy (“classic European flopper”… “this kid is a winner!” (I didn’t add the exclamation point)). I’m guessing he will not see the Verizon Center ice, at least not in a Caps’ sweater.
Caleb Herbert C — Catch him at development camp. Since 2000, the Caps have had a grand total of two fifth round or lower picks (of 40 such picks) play for them (Andrew Gordon and Mathieu Perreault).
Samuel Carrier D — see above
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Not so sure, but its not awful.
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Not a steal, I don’t think, but not horrible. He’s a youngish G, never been the day-in, day-out #1, but he’s had some success and this buys out his RFA years. He’d probably have gotten more in arb.
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yeah
Its about right – but not a steal like Blues fans think. Hiller and Rinne are his main comparables (in career #s) –
JH: .920,2.49, 4.5m cap hit
PR: .918, 2.42, 3.4m ch
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I assumed the reason MTL got rid of him was the expectation of a huge salary/cap hit. $3.75/yr hit doesn’t seem so outrageous to me.
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Pretty manageable deal. They didn’t throw the bank at him (which would have been dumb), so I give them credit for being smart. Guy was great in the playoffs, but his career high in GP is 45 (this year), and he played in front of a great defensive team. We’ll see how good he really is in STL.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s Alex Semin’s cut of that?
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What would MON gotten back if it was an RFA deal?
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A first and a third. They got a former first and a former third. Seems like a wash. The first round pick is more NHL-ready because he’s had time to develop (though they have their 1 and 2 C locked up long-term…) and the third is a longer shot than a third round pick would be, but he is also further developed.
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Glückwünsche, Joel Broda!
He’s landed on his feet in Austria on the defending champion EC Red Bull Salzburg. The club sounds very happy to have him, too:
The Canadian Joel Broda is on Saturday in Salzburg, and has already landed this morning the first time with his new team trained for. Master EC Red Bull Salzburg is pleased-year-old striker another young talent in the Red Bull Hockey Model fit to the 20 and has … a one-year cooperation agreement. Head coach Pierre Pagé know about the Canadians, that "he has a dream, and the NHL is. Joel has the potential in the Red Bull hockey model and would like to hear about the training and games with the Red Bulls decisively improve on. "
He may never get into the NHL, but Ima guessing he has fun this season in Salzburg. :)
And when I looked at the website, I was even more impressed. Red Bull actually owns the team, so he’s part of the Red Bull sports empire. Bet that comes with more perks than a year in the A.
So THAT’S where Pierre Page ended up.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
good for him for finding a place to continue to pay hockey.
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Caps re-sign Boyd Gordon, per Corey
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brief update (lacking any salary details) from Vogs.
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I think that’s a nice little raise for him, considering they probably could have made him sign his QO. Not enough to hurt the salary cap at all, but enough that it shows some good faith to a battler who’s always given the team everything he could. I like that.
Boyd Gordon is more than 100k/yr better than Tyler Sloan. Boyd Gordon is way more than 67% as valuable as John Erskine.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he’s one of the most underrated players on the Caps. A healthy Gordon provides some quality depth options at C and RW and on the PK. And at one hell of a bargain. I’m glad to see him back and I hope his back cooperates this season.
It’s not really a raise over his QO, though. $800,00 is what you would get if you were rounding up to a nice round figure on his QO ($799,313, if I did the math right)
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Don’t go all crazy spending that extra $687, Boyd!
by EmilyB on Jul 6, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oops. I thought it was more like 20k. But I didn’t do the math myself
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Kindly continue discussion here.
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Brooks Laich will be at Fen Fest on the 17th!
The Capitals’ Development Camp will begin Monday, July 12, and run through Saturday, July 17, at Kettler Capitals Iceplex in Arlington, Va. The camp is free and open to the public all week. Saturday’s Fan Fest will feature a special-guest autograph session with Brooks Laich, the traditional end-of-camp intrasquad scrimmage, an autograph session with a number of draft picks following the scrimmage and the annual equipment sale. Fan Fest also will include a variety of activities, including airbrush artists, face painters, a moon bounce, an obstacle course and street hockey.
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commence with the girlish squeals, right?
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I was JUST COMING OVER HERE to post that – oh my goodness…I expect the Rink Rabbits to be out in full force alongside me :)
Okay, no, really. What is it about that man that reduces us – otherwise knowledgeable, mostly sane, composed hockey fans who happen to be female – into piles of squealing mush?? :: sigh ::
thing is, every sign-able bit of caps memorabilia I own is already signed by Brooks Laich! Every time I go to something, I always end up in his line! I mean, I guess I shouldn’t complain, there are worse lines to get stuck in.
and why does he reduce us to piles of squealing mush? didn’t we cover this in the infamous “Night of 1,000 Puck Bunny Posts”?
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I’m not sure I have plans to get something signed by him – I’ll probably just be lurking like a creeper within eyesight of the table so I can stare at him. That’s not weird and scary…right?
You mean you won’t say hello?!
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Um, what part of “lurking like a creeper” don’t you understand?
Besides, I’ve interviewed him before. I’m good :P And I’m pretty sure he said something about hockey in said interview. I may have even responded.
Wait, you were conscious?
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So I’m told! I can hear my voice on the video, so I guess that’s proof.
This is going to sound really puckbunnyish (…because nothing else I’ve said does, right?) but he has very intense eyes and is really good at keeping eye contact and……. :sigh:
And he’s really good at hockey. Yeah. If you check his BtN stats and his avg shift length and all that you’ll see. Ahem.
I’m beginning to think you need an OT thread for this. For no other reason than I think you’re about to blow up this thread to 1,000+ posts.
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It’s OK, I wasn’t being critical, only practical.
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Oh, I know ;) It was a good reminder for me to zip it, though, appreciated!
I do think we need to have a Rink Rabbit get-together some time to squeal over him, anyway.
um, that’s what FanFest is for, right?
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I’ll take your word for it; it appears you’re an expert in the field.
Oh I know he’s a good player. Maybe he’ll sign with Nashville when the Caps can’t afford to extend him!
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no, of course not! There will just be a sizable contingent of fans in “Rink Rats. Needs More Icing” shirts snapping pictures of him and trying not to faint!
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Needs More Icing
LOL.
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I think i swiped one from work on Friday. muwhahahahahaha!
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I’m not mormally an autograph hound, but I might put up with the line to get that shirt signed by Brooksie.
by CapitalCentre on Jul 6, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahaha, does anyone want to get this signed for me :D? I’ll owe a million favors I swear.
Brooks at Fan Fest is going to be …. OMG.
Damnit. Wish I could be there.
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The idea of him signing this shirt makes me all kinds of happy.
And I will be standing at least 50 feet away from you when you do it. :D
Well, now I’m determined to try. I’ll just hope he doesn’t ask me to explain it.
by CapitalCentre on Jul 6, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Fen Fest, starring Brooks Laich as Swamp Thing!
Now, which player can we peg as the Creature from the Black Lagoon?
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 6, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
in my excitement of seeing Brooks Laich without his hockey gear on, I failed to proofread. I feel shame.
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Never a bad bet, but not in this case.
Brooks is an okay hockey player, probably not too overpaid on his FA deal. He’s not going to carry a line anytime soon, though.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 6, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah, no worries. I try to proofread and I still don’t catch all my errors.
But seriously, Brooks at Fan Fest is going to be a show.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 6, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Where’s dinasaur? Maybe she’ll finally get him to sign her jersey! Everyone else has.
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I’m bringing mine. Egads though—I bet that is going to one long line.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
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