Tuesday Caps Clips: Winter Classic Presser
by EmilyB on Jul 27, 2010 7:19 AM EDT
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Japers' Rink Radio has completed its summer hiatus and returns to the interwaves on a new night and time tonight at 8pm to talk Caps hockey. Ed Frankovic returns as special JRR guest. [Blog Talk Radio]
- The countdown to the 2011 Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic begins today with a press conference and presentation at noon at Heinz Field in Pittsburgh. Doc Emrick will emcee as the official Winter Classic logo and mockup of the rink configuration are unveiled. [NHL.com]
- In addition, the host Penguins and visiting Capitals are expected to reveal their WC "retro" logos, though not the actual game sweaters. The expected attendees include Pens owner Mario Lemieux, GM Ray Shero, and players Sidney Crosby, Maxime Talbot, Pascal Dupuis, and Matt Cooke. The Caps will be represented by team president Dick Patrick, GM George McPhee, and players Mike Knuble and David Steckel. [NHL Communications]
- DVR alert - the entire conference will be carried live on NHLNetwork. [NHL Net]
- Caps' head coach Bruce Boudreau hosted his annual charity golf tournament yesterday. TSN's "Off the Record" tagged along and has Matt Bradley and Brooks Laich turning the microphone on Gabby. The boys let it slip that the gift bag given each of to the tournament participants contained a copy of Bruce's book. Not mentioned: each gift bag also contained a copy of Tomas Fleischmann. [Video, Podcast]
- Another Caps luminary gets his fifteen minutes, a blog post, and a podcast. [TDC]
- Speaking of that Caps luminary, he is a Verizon Center staple, as is the extensive VC rodent population. But fear not - Ted Leonsis has vowed to take care of at least one of these situations, ASAP. [Ted's Take]
- Nicklas Backstrom's report card from last season and a look ahead. [Crash the Crease]
- Pocket Ovie. Really! [Jumping the Glass]
- Get to know new Stingrays/Bears goalie Jared DiMichiel. [Flashy Glove Save]
- Braden Holtby rocks a Nats hat and talks leadership. [Stingrays YouTube]
- Rich and famous Alex Ovechkin is rich. And also famous. [Sports Untapped]
- Some love for the Caps' draft. [Fancy Sauce]
- The folks who cover the Hershey Bears have an invitation for you. [PennLive]
- And the Stingrays may have a job for you. [Stingrays Hockey]
- What is the best moment in Caps' history? [Capitals Outsider]
- Another alum of the Caps organization makes it to the Hall of Fame. Bruce Hamilton, the former Caps chief of western scouting and current president and general manager of the Kelowna Rockets, has been elected to the British Columbia HoF as testament to a long and distinguished career. [BCLocalNews]
- Finally, happy 41st birthday to Jason Woolley and happy 64th to winless-as-a-Cap goalie (though he's no Michal Belhumeur) John Adams.
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Japers’ Rink Radio is moving to prime time? And with Frankovic as a guest? Count me in.
"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jul 27, 2010 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
One time only – back to normal on Saturday, which should be an amazing show as Don Fishman will join the guys, fresh off the Flash arb hearing and subsequent… well, who knows?
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Fishman should be a great guest. I wonder how candid he will be about the hearing and the outcome. How much of the arbitration process do you think he can discuss in a public setting?
"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jul 27, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ll see if Pepper can go all Frost-Nixon on Fishman and get him to spill his secrets. The public has a right to know.
"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jul 27, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait—are you suggesting that Pepper is a lightweight talk show host in need of a reputation-maker event!
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
For anyone so inclined, NHL.com is probably streaming the press conference, too. So you can work and ignore the Penguins talk and then pay attention to the five minutes they give the Caps.
"It's always good to have vikings."
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It could be worse, they could’ve canceled the 5 minutes the Caps get for a 5 minute long closeup of Crosby.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 27, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t go giving them any ideas!
"It's always good to have vikings."
Proud member of the Oxford dictionary police.
Bettman probably would do it anyways just because he wants everyone to respect his authoritah.
He also wants Mr. Kitty to stay away from his Chicken pot Pie.
In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 27, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that’s almost a fat joke, I thought Devils fans stayed away from those.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Technically the Devils used fat jokes way before. Remember “Have another doughnut?”
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 27, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
five minute of Crosby while the Caps remarks are broadcast.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Odds of most mic time?
Sid- 7:4
Mario- 6:1
Dupuis- 30:1
Steckel- 60:1
Dick Patrick- 1,000:1
Talbot- 1:1
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
The attendees really make it clear whose event this is (and I don’t mean that in a bad way at all) – all the Caps’ best talkers (Bruce, Brads, Laich, Ovi) are MIA.
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True – like you said this is a Pittsburgh event.
I’m sure it’ll be dull no matter who’s there. Let’s just see the logos, look at a rink configuration in Heinz Field and hear how all the players are “excited” and “honored” to play in this classic.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure it’ll be dull no matter who’s there
As is most any press conference of this type. I assume it’s to appease the sponsors and the city?
"It's always good to have vikings."
Proud member of the Oxford dictionary police.
Hey, Max Talbot and Mike Knuble ought to be good for at least one funny quote between the two of them. Steckel’s a funny kid, too. Please, boys, give us one moment of hilarity to make this pointless exercise worthwhile!
(I mean, it’s not like we can count on Sid to provide that moment…)
It’s like the line in “Apollo 13” when two of the wives are talking about the press as they are running up to get quotes…
“Remember, you’re proud, happy and thrilled…”
“…We’re very proud and very happy, and we’re thrilled.”
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jul 27, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Superstars need the most time, you know. Chicka chicka something.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Two decades, no tailoff
Dale Hunter’s goal still sends shivers up my spine. It’s great to see that clip again.
Mm-hmm. And there's a penalty for that?
by Prodigal_Son on Jul 27, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the confluence of many story lines makes that play so great…
-historic comeback by a team not noted for playoff success, much less in OT
-against a hated rival who used to come into that building and take our lunch money…litterally..
-goal scored by a guy not necessarily noted for breakaway speed and scoring
-against a goalie we all love to hate
-seeing mike keenan’s sour puss have to walk across the ice (nice braces) to shake hands..
one thing i never noticed in that clip is that scott stevens almost took that puck from murph and skated into the defensive zone. not sure if he overskated or murph called him off, but that was key.
before backs in game 2 this year, i think that was the last (and only?) home playoff OT win….
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 27, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
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Best pass ever? Best pass ever.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
The Flyers’ two safeties didn’t play that well, especially given how badly beat the corner was. Can’t give up the long touchdown in the middle of the field. Ever.
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Terrible play by Craven. Gave the puck away at the blueline to Murphy while the Flyers were in the middle of a change.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Murray Craven losing puck to Murphy of all people was the cherry on top. You could play that highlight 10,000 times in a row and it still won’t get old.
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Murph poked the puck away from him AND made that pass all in the same play. Amazing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If Larry Murphy did nothing else positive in his entire effing career, that one play should earn him immunity from ever being whooped at a Caps’ home game. Idiots.
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
In Gretzky’s book, I believe he pointed out Murphy’s drive to the net in Game 3 of the ’87 Canada Cup. It helped to freeze the goalie a bit and allowed him to get the shot off.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
But he didn’t play defense, you see.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Jul 27, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds familiar….
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by gotsparkly on Jul 27, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. Unfortunately the all-offense no-defense defenseman making a clutch play in the playoffs doesn’t sound familiar…
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s the easily the worst tradition Caps fans inveigh.
More norrissey, less morrissey
by bigonetimer on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And you can hear Al Koken’s call of the play in the opening to the JRR podcast every week. Nice.
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Al Koken did not make that call on the HTS broadcast. Mike Fornes did.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jul 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Frolov to Rags?
Don’t you know how people are treated in the NHL? If a player has a year left on his contract it is necessary to spoil his season in order not to sign him for big money. That’s what happened with Frolov.
Grapes, meet sour. And whither Marc Staal?
More norrissey, less morrissey
Had someone tipped Bruce off to this strategy, we might be debating a $1.2m – $1.5m range for Flash at arb.
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How do you think he got a blood clot in his leg?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he was doing that for Fehr, and there’s only so many season’s you can spoil at a time. I take it all back, BB is a wizard at ice time management!
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
So, apparently Brian Pothier is signing with a French club?
Become undesirable in Carolina – he did not come in the plans of general manager – Brian Pothier has chosen to try his luck in Europe. And to emigrate to Geneva. It remains for him to sign his contract. A mere formality before his arrival on August 7 to Vernets.
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and yes...
I know Geneva is in Switzerland. Oof.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Geneva’s in Switzerland
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m aware of this. But the website was in French, it threw me off!
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Geneva’s still in Switzerland.
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Word on the street is Geneva is in Switzerland
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Jul 27, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m hearing that…..
"It's always good to have vikings."
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by gfcaps fan on Jul 27, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haven’t you folks heard of Geneva, Pennsylvania )pop. 115)… the Gateway to Erie?
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by ThePeerless on Jul 27, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up in Erie...
…and i’ve gotta say that’s the first time i’ve heard of Geneva being the “Gateway to Erie”.
Actually, I just heard from Chesnokov that Geneva’s in France and that there was a conspiracy against Alex Frolov in LA last year.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brian’s no Duncan Keith, but it’s hard to imagine there isn’t one NHL team willing to take a shot with him for around $1 million. And somehow Joe Corvo gets a multi-year deal.
Hell, bring him back here. I’d rather have him out there every night than Erskine or Sloan.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I get the feeling that McPhee’s not a very sentimental guy when it comes to bringing back former players. At least not like Jim Rutherford in Carolina who seems to bring back everyone.
I wonder why.
Signed,
M. Nylander and K. Beech
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Neither am I, I just want the guy because he’s a better player. I mean, if you can get him for a million you waive Sloan and you’ve just made a significant upgrade for $300k.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Seeing Juice sign for $1 mil and Pothier leave for Europe GMGM must either be holding out for a better than 3rd pairing guy to push people down the depth chart or he really thinks having Sloskine slotted at 6/7 is okay. I really really hope it is the former.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
FYI, the presser will also stream on washingtoncaps.com, per @capsmedia.
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Took their damn sweet time to announce it. :-) Vogs on vacation = slow times at capsmedia. No press release on the blood drive results yet, either.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Proud member of the Oxford dictionary police.
Well, the WC is really the NHL’s event (and Pittsburgh’s), not the Caps’.
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And its really not that important.
/ducks
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Agreed. My main interest is to see which throwback logo the Caps choose, and that can be accomplished with a quick Google query after the fact (or by checking the comments here).
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jul 27, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
CP2 was talking about the game itself, I believe. And I’d concur.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
My mistake then. As you were.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jul 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. We’re just the tagalongs.
Oh, PD wants to donate $100 to the charity of his choice if matt cooke will start a fight with David Steckel at the presser. Because we all know what happens when Cooke drops ’em with someone who can actually fight. (@wyshynski)
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Steckel can fight?
I think Knuble would be a better match…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That was my point, actually. It was intended as light snark. We already know what happens when Cooke drops ‘em with someone who can fight – see: Kane, Evander. So let’s pair him with someone who can’t fight for a change of pace.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
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Anybody else wonder if the Penguins are thumbing their nose at the NHL by putting Matt Cooke on the podium for the league’s big announcement?
I didn’t read that much into. What’s done (or not done) is done.
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....
Well, if there’s anyone who’s used to having a nose thumbed, its Cooke
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I was thinking more like a Medal of Honor.
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by RedBirdie on Jul 27, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nobel Prize
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by ThePeerless on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I think both sides just borrowed whoever was handy.
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I dunno. Knuble and Stecks are both Penguin-killers, nu?
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by RedBirdie on Jul 27, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
All-time Pens/Caps team?
Matt Bradley- Robert Lang – Jaromir Jagr
Sergei Gonchar – Larry Murphy
(All these guys are too recent, guess I’m too young but I can’t think of any old-timers that played a decent amount of time with both franchises…Did I omit anyone? I was kind of going to a little bit of longevity too and measuring the impact on both franchises, btw)
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
And Kris Beech as honorary captain.
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Chris Bourque wants a word.
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He can have one. Just remind him its an international call.
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by CP2Devil on Jul 27, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And thanks for going Brads and not Cooke (or Beech or Fata!).
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That’s your second line.
John Slaney!
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I sense a PensBurgh post in the making…
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Today’s bday boy Jason Woolley had short stints with both teams too.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember when they sent Woolley down early on and, I believe it was Terry Murray, said he’d be back when he learned how to skate backwards. Oof.
And Jim Johnson and Kip Miller join the team as well.
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As does Kevin.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
And don’t forget Ron Francis and Gary Roberts.
Oh wait, that’s my NHL 94 version of the Caps
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
And remember that Dave Tipett played for both franchises before he went to France to play for Geneva.
by bilspacecadet on Jul 27, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe put Jean Pronovost on the wing instead of Brads.
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Good call. I never knew he ended his career with the Capitals.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
hey, dont forget us…
love,
rico fata
kris beech
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s go very old school and thrown Hartland Monahan and Stan Gilbertson on the bench as well.
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@KatieStrangNYI: ive just bn told that the #Isles have settled w/ Matt Moulson, whose arbitration heari
Not surprising. Both sides wanted to make a deal.
Wheeler and the Bruins should be a good one today. I wonder what their walkway number is, especially given their cap situation.
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1 year, 2.45 million.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Bruins just need the result to have less than a $12,000 cap hit – that’s TOTALLY doable. Ha.
(Gimme Bergeron, Bruins!)
Er, sorry for not being clear, but that number was for Moulson’s deal.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was clear enough. Didn’t Moulson put up fairly similar numbers to Flash?
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I didn’t have any trouble understanding any of you.
And I’m with you on Bergeron. They are going to have to dump someone why not him? Oh, how I love that Tim Thomas contract.
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He does seem to be the most likely option for a trade, given the relative cost/length of contract and the fact that they have eleventy billion centers.
I just don’t know how they do it, though. This is the guy who was supposed to be the face of the franchise after Thornton left, there are going to be some pissed off Bruins fans (…heh) if he gets traded.
There are three ways that they get rid of salary.
1) They buy out Michael Ryder. He has one year left on his contract at $4M a year, he doesn’t have an NMC, and he’d be a good fit for some team that needs a scoring wing, but it’s a tough sell at that salary. Buying him out saves them 2.67 million worth of cap space this year (though it adds 1.333 mil worth of cap space next year) and opens up a slot for Tyler Seguin on the right wing.
2) They demote Ryder. They have to pay his salary in Providence, but they only pay it for one year and don’t have to worry about the cap hit.
3) Marco Sturm starts the season on LTIR. This gives them an additional 3.5 million in cap space to work with at the top of the season, and when he is ready to come back, the team can worry about demoting Ryder, trading Ryder (if he starts the season hot and looks like a value for some other team), or trying to convince Sturm to waive his NTC.
I really doubt Bergeron will be traded. In fact, I would guess he’s going to get an extension some time before the middle of the season unless he’s really stinking up the joint.
Good thing they gave Tim Thomas all that money and a NMC.
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And made sure he was 35+ when he signed it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
At least he can be one step closer to his dream of owning an IHOP
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Blaine Lacher
Jim Carey
Byron Dafoe
Andrew Raycroft
Am I forgetting anyone in the list of Bruins one-hit-wonder goalies? Tim Thomas didn’t put up Vezina-caliber numbers last year, but he did make 43 starts and he did have a 2.56 GAA and a .915 save percentage. It wasn’t like he stunk it up in net last year; he was just playing for a team that lost a lot of 2-1/3-2 games.
My bold prediction for next year: Tuukka Rask joins Lacher, Carey, Dafoe, and Raycroft on the list of Boston goalie flameouts.
Dafoe wasn’t awesome, but he was decent in LA for a year or two. But then again, after Boston there wasn’t much in him.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 27, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
My point was more that the goalie job in Boston has been a constant oscillation between “Rookie Saviour is Here to Save Us” followed by “Sophmore Slumper is being Sent Out of Town on a Rail.”
Oh, and of course, how could I forget Hannu Toivonen?
Hannu Toivonen was always a highly touted prospect, but never did anything in the NHL, so he doesn’t really fit this trend.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they touch Ryder. I think they like him too much and he had a decent (ish) year for them last year. I think he’s way overrated and way overpaid but for whatever reason they don’t seem to agree – not that I mind.
Plus I think they really want Seguin at center, I don’t see him moving to wing despite some reports to the contrary.
This…this, quite frankly, is embarrassing. What a god-awful solution.
I mean, I can see how the tax is irksome, but damn.
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I’m dumber for having read that. I just don’t know why the byline said instead J.J. instead of Shoalts.
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I can’t decide whether or not I should waste the time ripping him to shreds, or just let it go.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
also
Exhibit A for why Red Wings fans annoy me.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, seemed like Dirk did a sound enough job on it as is.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s the Internet – you’re not allowed to just let it go.
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But but but he insulted the FAN BASE!!!!!1
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I was enjoying the article until it devolved again into "and that’s why every team south of Chicago should be moved into Canada.
Isn’t it obvious that about 18 steps and 5 years before the NHL even considers moving the team, there would be a legal challenge to the constitutionality of taxing all of someone’s wages? Why not just stick to how stupid the tax is, and leave out the Balsillie talking points?
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I would interject into that conversation with actual tax and salary analysis, but I just don’t think its worth it. While I agree the tax unfairly penalizes visiting hockey players, the argument being made is idiotic.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. He may have a point but the method of getting to the point and his subsequent solution are atrocious.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Like iwearstripes, I was into the tax part. Pretty sneaky way to raise revenue in a state with no income tax. When you call it a fee, you screw everyone. The teams/league really should pay it on behalf of the players. And all the Tennessee teams really should get together and lobby more strongly.
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I’m somewhat dumbfounded that there are states with no income tax. How do they expect to raise revenue? Seems like an utterly illogical system.
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Property taxes, sales taxes, use taxes, getting the Fed to shoulder expenses that would usually fall on the state.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
all those these regressive taxes all to keep the anti-income tax lobby happy. ridiculous.
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Most states without an income tax have higher sales taxes and personal property taxes.
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“Gambling Revenues” is a euphemism for the Sucker Tax.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The “People Who Are Bad At Math” Tax.
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For one, our sales tax is astronomically high.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it could be NY or California, where the sales tax and the income taxes are high. Hell, so are the property taxes.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It wouldn’t be so bad if they charged a fixed percentage income tax that was in line with the income tax rate from most other states, then you could get the credit back in your home state. As it is, it just screws the players left and right.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The obvious solution is to have the NHLPA, or the NHL put in a call to some leader of the state government (not the governor, but maybe the speaker of the house or equivalent). I’, sure a good argument could be made where if they feel this tax is necessary, they can find a way to allocate it in a more reasonable manner.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Talbot throws the first salvos
On a Pittsburgh morning radio show (following tweets from Zach)
On Ovechkin: “He’s a douche”
On WC: “I’m a big Steeler fan so playing at Heinz Field is going to be special.”
On playing the Caps: “They play with such exciting pace. The only opponent that would be better would be Philly”
On Gonchar: “I could never say anything bad about him. He called me an hour after he signed and said he was sorry he couldn’t stay.”
“Gonchar is such a great guy. I am asking Pens fans to treat him with respect.” (1/2)
Benz: “No whooping like Wash?” Max: “Oh god that sounds terrible down there. Yeah don’t do that please.” (2/2)
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I didn’t hear the douche comment, so we may want to wait to reserve judgment on that..
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t doubt that Ovie has sprayed a lot of females.
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by oldemystix on Jul 27, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that sounds… unlikely (and out of character for Talbot or any thinking human being).
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I’d be really surprised if he said that. Talbot will trash talk but he’s not a name-caller – I’d be surprised if any hockey player said that about another hockey player (at least in a public setting).
I’m hearing that was exactly what you were saying…but see, you used fewer words and so I got confused. :)
But yeah, my guess is some Pens fan decided to be funny and gave our pal Hooks bad info. No way did he call any other player a douche when it could be repeated and reprinted and could get back to the guy.
The source is a credible one, but who knows the context or manner of the interview, or if the comment was accidentally, incorrectly heard.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I just can’t imagine it being said for public consumption. And if he really DID say it on the radio, he’s got to be the dumbest guy around.
well, this is Max Talbot. Do you not remember his comments last summer?
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I’m just glad Mr. June is gonna get top 6 minutes this year so he and Ovie can actually, you know, discuss it further on the ice.
More norrissey, less morrissey
Sure you would. I’ll take Talbs getting top 6 minutes for the whole season.
More norrissey, less morrissey
Surely the Pens can’t beat the Caps in a playoff series if he’s in that capacity, right?
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Put it this way: I don’t think Talbot is on the list of X factors when the two best teams in the conference square off this year.
And let’s hope we get that playoff tilt. Watching the Habs dismantle both our teams, only to fold like wallets agains the eminently beatable Flyers gave me indigestion.
More norrissey, less morrissey
They won’t actually fight. AO might try to line him up and obliterate him, though…after last year, he probably gets 5/10/game and a 5 game suspension, so your tradeoff is looking really good, eh?
Talbot is a genius.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Wouldn’t mind seeing Talbot play the role of Johnny Boychuck in next year’s Ovi’s greatest hits videos.
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by bagace on Jul 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That sequence was great.
Joe Finley to the Russians: "Como estas?"
by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, he said it for real. Here’s the link to it if you want to listen.
http://www.wxdx.com/cc-common/podcast.html
Here are some of his better quotes. I guess now we know who’s the real douce.
I just hate the guy. I don’t like him. When I met him off the ice he didn’t give the best impression to me. I was at the NHL awards last summer and Malkin introduced him to me and the first impression wasn’t great. He’s a real douche.
I’m gonna guess Max Talbot didn’t vote “Ovechkin” on his Lindsay ballot this year.
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Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever heard one pro athlete publicly trash talk another more than Talbot did today. And to do it on a morning radio show and then have to go and sit with his teammates later in the day makes me wonder if he’s playing with a full deck.
Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever heard one pro athlete publicly trash talk another more than Talbot did today.
Wow, hyperbole much?
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah…Hollywood Henderson would like to have a word…
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
…I take it back. Apparently someone would be that dumb. Farewell, Max – I used to find you hilarious but now you are dead to me.
Seriously, who does that?? Our guys have never been anything but diplomatic when referring to Sid, I think Ovie (or any player for that matter) deserves the same respect.
by Becca H on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Barring the last sentence it’s not really that inflammatory.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with Hooks. I’ve heard much worse. I’m not sure what the big deal is. One player dislikes another player. Big deal.
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Right, but that last sentence is everything. Leave it at “I hate the guy” and I’m fine with it – but name-calling? You just don’t do that kind of shit. There’s trash-talking and then there’s this, I think it’s bush league.
You DO realize there’s trash-talking and namecalling in sports…?
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
usually, it’s confined to the playing field/ice.
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…I said there’s trash-talking, which I’m completely fine with, and then there’s actually saying someone’s a douche. When’s the last time you heard a hockey player say that about another hockey player? I have no doubt it’s said in the locker room but for public consumption? Please.
When was the last time I heard an athlete call another athlete a dirty name? What time is it?
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
So you don’t mind the name-calling, you just mind that it was caught on microphone?
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t “caught” on microphone. He knew he was giving an interview – I’m guessing they told him the red light was on and it was going out to the public.
And yes, I’m sorry, I mind when it gets sucked into the media. There’s a difference between what gets said in a locker room or on the ice and what gets said for public consumption. Saying something among your peers is one thing, saying it to a widespread audience – and in a way that will surely get back to the other side – is stupid and classless.
Would you be okay with some of the other stuff they say getting out in a newspaper article? What about guys calling other guys gay, that’s okay because they might say it on the ice or in the room?
by Becca H on Jul 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All it does is expose the true character of the speaker. Nothing more, nothing less.
And yes, I’d love to know which guys throw around homophobic slurs, as I’d love to know whom I should respect less.
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Kevin Stevens and Bryan Trottier, as you helped me learn last week.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Saying something among your peers is one thing, saying it to a widespread audience – and in a way that will surely get back to the other side – is stupid and classless.
This is incredibly naive. Athletes say stupid and classless stuff, we’re only talking degrees here.
Would you be okay with some of the other stuff they say getting out in a newspaper article?
I heard it said on a soccer field over the weekend and my thought on it is like any other stupid thing said, consider the source.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everything is about degrees – and I’m very aware that guys say stupid shit all the time. But degrees matter. I don’t care that he hates Ovie (although I think the language is a bit strong considering I doubt they’ve actually hung out long enough to make that judgement) and I don’t care that he said it. I care that he took it a step further. There’s a line, and I think he crossed it.
by Becca H on Jul 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There’s a line for what? Civility? Common decency? Sure, he crossed those. But why is that so upsetting? It’s not like he said he wishes Ovi’s mom would get hit by a bus or something.
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I’m not raising up an army against Talbot for saying it, and I’m not calling for any sort of retribution against him. I just think it was moronic to say and a classless thing to do in the media.
Come on, you can’t honestly tell me that there’s not a difference between stuff that might get tossed around in the locker room and stuff that gets said in the media. We want these guys to show personality, sure, and a good quote is a good quote, but isn’t there a line somewhere of things you just don’t say?
isn’t there a line somewhere of things you just don’t say?
Yes. Absolutely. And for each person that line is different, and that’s what makes things interesting.
Tell me you weren’t entertained by BizNasty’s tweets.
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The only line he “crossed” is that he was dumb enough to say it on a radio show. If Mike Green says the same thing about say, Jordan Staal, the same folks who are feigning outrage now would say “I LOVE that guy!”
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
…no, I’d think it was a stupid and classless move. I’m sorry, maybe we each have to define what our own “line” is but I think going from saying you don’t like a guy to saying he’s a douche is crossing that line.
Interesting, btw, that a lot of the women seem to side with me on this and a lot of you men are just shrugging it off…
And again, he crossed that line only because he was dumb enough to say it on a radio show.
Look, if you guys are trash talking and calling each other names at WPS and WNBA games, I’d like to hear it, and if you want to go down the male-female athlete dynamics that’s a whole other discussion, but this isn’t nothing more than a stupid opportunity which is going to sell more tickets than it already will.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
It has nothing to do with male vs. female athletes. Of course females call each other names in the middle of a game, and I’m sure they say nasty things in the locker room. I’m saying a lot of men on here seem to be okay with it being said publicly, through the media.
And honestly if someone wasn’t going to buy a ticket to the WC and buys one just because of this they should be stripped of their credit cards and forced to run naked across the ice at intermission. This won’t do anything but drum up slightly more media attention for something that was already going to get plenty.
I’m saying a lot of men on here seem to be okay with it being said publicly, through the media.
Because what Max says on the “Dufus and McGee in the Morning” show has no bearing on how and where the team I root for does this year. I’m kinda wacky like that.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that’s a little unfair. I wouldn’t stop rooting for the Caps if Mike Green said something so moronic, and I’m not letting it do anything to my perception of this game or the Pens as a team. All I’m saying is that it’s lowered my regard for Talbot as a person. I think that’s the difference.
I could go into a long spiel about male fans vs. female fans but my general theory is that how a guy acts off the ice is much more important to a woman in picking players to root for than it is to a guy. And I think this just feeds into that theory more (although I’m sure there are dissenters on both sides of the gender line around here, which is fine).
I could go into a long spiel about male fans vs. female fans but my general theory is that how a guy acts off the ice is much more important to a woman in picking players to root for than it is to a guy.
Maybe. I know I couldn’t possibly care less about any aspect of any Capitals off-ice life beyond how it impacts their on-ice player unless it’s something real extreme like doing a ton of charity work or committing (serious) crimes.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s where I’d disagree. If they said it (or anything like it), there would be some bashful head-ducking for a few days before moving on. The fact that it was said about “our guy” is cause for a lot of the indignation, IMHO.
We’re talking about guys who go to 17k seat arenas for 9 months out of the year and we ask them to be primal. We ask for goals and we ask for victory. If they use a bad word in a meaningless interview, it’s a forgivable sin to me.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I all in favor of players showing more personality publicly and through the media, even if sometimes it is classless personality.
The fact that people get up in arms just because one player called another a douche is one reason why we always get boring interviews.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry I’m with Becca on this. It’s all about timing for me. Talbot wants to create controversy by saying this about our best player and archrival of Crosby’s on the radio just before the big press conference about the Winter Classic highlighting the big game between the two teams.
Of course it was a deliberate statement made just before a big NHL event and will therefore get picked up by the national medial. It’s not just a casual trash talking statement before a big game between the two clubs.
I usually take the stupid stuff players say with a grain of salt and much meh, but this was stupid and crass and unnecessary. Can you imagine the kind of shit-storm the Caps would get if one of our players said such crap at such a moment.
I was in a great mood, excited by the idea of the Classic even if the Caps are the afterthought, and now I’m angry and using foul language, not my norm at all.
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by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It certainly has timing, but I’m not so sure it was intentional.
I mean Talbot’s out training, doing golf tournies, etc and not in town. It’s not like he’s going to promote the Winter Classic or have any reason to be on Pittsburgh radio any time soon unless he’s in town for this specific person.
I don’t think he had a plan to sabotage the day with this, it’s just how it worked out.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I’ll adopt a “we’ll see” attitude about it. But he went on my radar. And not in a good way.
The timing was bad. And the comments unnecessary.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that it was caught on a microphone but that it was caught on a microphone the day the league is trying to promote its biggest game of the regular season. Last time I checked it’s called the Winter Classic not the Max Talbot Classic. You’re a third liner. Here’s your job description. Sit on the podium, smile and when someone asks you a question say how great the game’s going to be. Most importantly, keep your personal opinions about the opposing star to yourself. That’s what pros do.
Isn’t that precisely the boring stuff that everyone was complaining about earlier? Can’t have it both ways.
Talbot took a needless shot at the end, but I appreciate his honesty if he doesn’t like a guy to say so. Better than giving a white lie or brushing it off. Granted, he maybe didn’t need to say as much as he did in the manner he did, but he’s certainly not the only NHL player to think the same.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Talbot can say that 364 other days of the year. Today was not the time or the place. I’m getting the sense we’ve got a lot of lawyers around here but not a lot of PR guys. Ask Nate Ewell how he’d feel if Brads said the same stuff about Crosby when the Caps were hosting a national event.
by b.orr4 on Jul 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you understand how the media works? The media feeds off controversy because we humans love it and our eyeballs go towards it. It’s why reality TV shows like “The Real World”, “The Hills”, and “Jersey Shore” not only exist, but do well.
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I agree with this. If we are going to decry the boring cookie-cutter interviews all call for players to show more personality, then we have to live with players sometimes saying things we don’t like when they speak their minds. I don’t really have a problem with this. For all we know Ovechkin hates Talbot and was a douche to him when they met.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
For all we know Ovechkin hates Talbot and was a douche to him when they met.
Given the two large personalities that both of them have, I’d bet you could be onto something.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. And I’m sure Crosby has strong feelings about some of our guys, and I’m sure every player has said something about another player – in the room. My point is that you won’t see these guys saying these things in the media. My point is that’s classless and, in this case, the pot calling the kettle black as it were.
So Talbot was classless. Again, what’s the big deal?
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Just emotional about who’s it’s targeted at?
If Talbot says this about Mike Richards or Sean Avery it might be a different response from some of the people up in arms.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fuck. Yes.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, I don’t think the people involved – on either side of the equation – would change my mind on this. I like to think I’m not that much of a homer that the line becomes so blurred based on who is saying it and who they’re saying it about.
by Becca H on Jul 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I believe it. If I had to wager, your reaction to Mike Green calling Jordan Staal a douche would be, “Shut your damn mouth, fool.”
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Mike, remember what we’ve talked about? Engage brain before opening mouth? Yeah, you failed. Again.”
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Not sure – I take the people making the argument at their word that the offensive thing is what was said, not at whom it was directed.
And the real question is why hasn’t Steinberg transcribed this yet?
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he’s on vacation. Much to our collective dismay.
And listen, due to some unimaginably unfortunate scheduling, I’m out of town at the beach right now. I’m going to try my hardest not to blog about anything, at least until Albert Haynesworth shows up on Thursday and tosses the entire Redskins operation into a fiery pit of doom. I’ve had very very poor luck boycotting this blog in the past, but I’d ask for your patience and understanding. This is gonna be way worse for me than for you
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Aren’t they all bunkered up in Ashburn.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I find it hard to believe that what he said was THAT offensive though.
I believe it. If I had to wager, your reaction to Mike Green calling Jordan Staal a douche would be, "Shut your damn mouth, fool."
I agree there, but I still maintain if Talbot says this about Richards he probably doesn’t get called classless, moronic by people here and we wouldn’t have seen so much offense taken.
Which leads me to believe it does have something to do with who it targeted.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I think it’s natural to take more interest in something that involves the team you follow. It’d be surprising, for example, if Pens or Caps fans reached the level of “outrage” over the Avery comments as Flames fans did – if you don’t have a dog in the fight, of course you’re not going to react the same way.
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I don’t think anyone here is saying it was THAT offensive – I’ve said similar about people before (JP can attest to that), I have no problem with the language itself. I have a problem with the stage it was used on. There’s a way to be entertaining and interesting without being a child and name-calling in the media. That’s all I’m saying.
Agreed!
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by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If he said it about Richards on a NHL press day for a Winter Classic between the Pens and the Flyers, I would still call it classless and designed to cause a media controversy to get everyone stirred up.
But I wouldn’t be personally annoyed because I’m not a Flyers fan. I would just think it was stupid and unnecessary. In an objective way.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Some probably are. I think it’s hilarious. Actually, a ton of people here love Ovechkin almost more than the Caps, I feel, and I’ve brought up “If you could win a 100% guaranteed Stanley Cup by trading Ovechkin, would you rather keep him or trade him,” and more than one person said “keep Ovechkin.” He’s a star, so he has his own fans.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
If Talbot says this about Mike Richards or Sean Avery it might be a different response from some of the people up in arms.
but everyone knows Sean Avery is a jackass. Had Max Talbot said that, i would have responded with “Thanks for the stunning update, Captain Obvious.”
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Slightly, especially since it is based on little interaction, but more importantly, I hate when players use the media to trash other players. Some things shouldn’t be for public consumption. A critique is fine. Crosby’s “like it or lump it” is fine. This crosses the line. I’m quite proud that current Caps aren’t known for this behavior.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Talbot is fine. If you want to make sure everyone is clean then you end up with a boring league. +1 to Talbot for not having a filter. I wish more athletes would do that. The overreaction is exactly why Crosby so often says a whole lot of scripted nothing.
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I like how now it’s gone from what was said to when in order to give Caps fans an excuse to get frothed up. About a regular season game. In January.
How’s that red meat tasting?
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He was on a radio show which he was presumably invited to and answered a question. This isn’t a Sean Avery situation where he called everyone over to give his opinion.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, trash talking goes on all the time, but Talbot was selected by the Penguins to be one of their representatives for a league press conference. Save that crap for another day. It’s bad form and I’m sure the Penguins organization isn’t pleased about it.
I don’t disagree with this – the timing is poor.
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I’m gonna go with “who gives a shit what some fourth-liner says?”
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And scene.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, what's Talbot ever done
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a great player for the same reason as Frantisek Kaberle!
Or Ruslan Fedotenko!
by Wheeler on Jul 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’ll rec this.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s better than ovenchicken because he has teh cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That’s just an excerpt. Listen to the whole interview. He trashed Ovi from beginning to end. Seriously, what normal thinking person does something like that on the day the NHL is trying to generate a ton of positive press?
The league wants press period. This type of press is great. It’s really not negative, but it does get people excited about a rivalry which typically translates to eyeballs.
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I agree. Everyone was complaining how Crosby wouldn’t give a sound bite today. Well guess what, Talbot did.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’ll be what $500 richer too!
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Talbot was just trying to get Steckel to throw the first punch? Now, if he swings it at Talbot, it’s not as much fun. Or he could throw it at Crosby. That would be different.
*Please note full snark.
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This press conference needs to end with Mario Lemieux hitting Dick Patrick with a steel chair and Dock Emerick screaming like crazy as the camera cuts to black.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin flies in from Russia..
THAT’S HIS MUSIC, THAT’S HIS MUSIC!!!
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This press conference needs to end withMario LemieuxBob Gould hittingDick PatrickMario Lemieux with a steel chair and Dock Emerick screaming like crazy as the camera cuts to black.
Fixed
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Orpik calling out Semin last year
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably the closest a Cap has come (ShaMo):
“Well, I don’t like him ‘cause he’s on Pittsburgh,” Morrisonn said. “On a national stage, I’m not gonna comment. But you know, for our team, I definitely dislike the Penguins and Sidney Crosby. I’m not gonna take anything away from him, he’s a great player, but I think we’ve got the best player in the world here with Alex.”
At the end of the segment, the hosts tried again, virtually pleading with Mo to use the H word. He laughed.
“I don’t know if I can say that,” he said. “I dislike Sidney Crosby. I play against him, he’s not on my team.”
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Alex Semin’s infamous “What’s so special about Sidney Crosby?” doesn’t make the cut?
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What’s so special about [Crosby]? I don’t see anything special there. Yes, he does skate well, has a good head, good pass. But there’s nothing else. Even if you compare him to Patrick Kane from Chicago … [Kane] is a much more interesting player. The way he moves, his deking abilities, his thinking on the ice and his anticipation of the play is so superb.
I think that if you take any player, even if he is “dead wood,” and start promoting him, you’ll get a star. Especially if he scores 100 points. No one is going to care about anyone else. No one is going to care whether he possesses great skill. Let’s say you put someone in front of the net and let him deflect pucks in, and he scored 50 goals; everyone will say “Wow!” and then hand him a $10 million per year contract. That’s what they like here.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
What does Semin’s resume have to do with his opinion on another player?
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Nothing. Just saying if he could score 100 points he could be a star too.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad – didn’t realize you posted that because you agreed with Semin.
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Just going by his definition of what it takes to be special over here chief.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I think he’s differentiating between a 100-point player/star and someone who is actually special (which he doesn’t seem to define other than to say Sid ain’t it in his opinion).
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Don’t think he called anyone a douche, though. And he didn’t call Crosby specifically “dead wood” either. I do think it could be read that way if you’re a Penguins fan.
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I think he was implying Crosby is “dead wood” though.
although I do agree that most of the time, Patrick Kane is the more interesting player to watch.
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See, I never read it that way. I saw it as saying you could grab generic player “X” and properly promoted make him a star. But maybe I’m the one who’s wrong.
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That’s how I always had read it.
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See, I never read it that way. I saw it as saying you could grab generic player "X" and properly promoted make him a star
That he says this in the same breath as saying Crosby isn’t special and only has good skating, " good head" and good pass doesn’t seem to register?
And that he goes on to mention that promoting a player and giving him a big salary can translate into making a star in America? (Two things Crosby has). No correlation? Nothing?
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it can be read as: “Sid isn’t special. Look, you could take any player and promote him and make him a star, especially if he piles up big points. You could take a piece of dead wood and do it. So just because a guy has points and stardom doesn’t mean he’s particularly special, and I don’t find Sid to be special.”
Essentially, the “dead wood” is the hyperbole used to make the point, and Sid falls somewhere on the spectrum between dead wood and a real special player.
I don’t think you’d be reacting this way if he said it about Mike Richards.
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I see what you’re saying though — I debate the logic of the argument. Since 100+ point players are inherently pretty special if they’re good enough to score that much, as KC says below.
And Semin’s comments have been proven wrong by merit – like Sid’s Rocket Richard Trophy, leading the playoffs in goals, scoring OT gold medal winners, etc. Crosby’s been undoubtedly been hyped, but Semin seems to think there’s no substance.
If that’s the case, out of my own curiosity, I’d like to hear Semin’s assessment of his own game and skills.
I don’t think you’d be reacting this way if he said it about Mike Richards.
Pssh, we all know Mike Richards isn’t special.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Semin sees a big difference between production and skills (as discussed below). I’m sure he favors a Datsyuk over a Crosby, for example, because he can dangle. Semin wants the game to be beautiful because he can play the game beautifully. He doesn’t seem to realize, of course, that that doesn’t mean dick at the end of the day.
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Semin is a devoted to creative, beautiful hockey. And just because someone wins things doesn’t mean that person does creative, beautiful hockey. Let’s be honest, Crosby isn’t the most beautiful or creative hockey player on the planet.
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It depends what your definition of beauty is.
Is it skating back and forth behind the net, to burn Jason Spezza, make a nice pass for a goal?
Or is it dangling between soemone’s legs like Datsyuk might do and snipe?
To say Crosby isn’t a creative player is ridiculous. It may not be as purely skilled as even what Semin shows in flashes, but it doesn’t mean he has no skill.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say Crosby was unskilled, I said he’s not creative and beautiful. You can have all the skill and talent in the world (and Crosby does) and still be rather uninteresting.
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I’d disagree there, I think it’s just a different kind of creative and “beauty”. A guy like Semin has all the technical skills to make amazing things happen. Crosby doesn’t have that, but the way he can anticipate plays at times and make some of the passes he does is quite impressive – almost a form of artistry, the same way a soccer team breaking down an opponent to get a chance an be “beautiful” even if no one does anything that’s amazing from a technical standpoint.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I still take exception to saying/implying Crosby isn’t as creative or can’t create as beautiful goals as the ones Semin likes (the more Russian/European style). Any quick search of a Crosby youtube highlight reel will show you interesting goals, assuming you watch the hockey and not the player.
Great passes (which Semin acknowledges), sliding one-leg goals, sick backhands, leg kicks to deke goalies, etc.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Crosby is certainly a creative and beautiful player at times. Difference is that he can adjust his game to play the gritty and uglier style when need be.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is a key point. Crosby is ugly, in Semin’s eyes, because Crosby doesn’t give a damn what his play looks like. He just cares about the results.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the problem though, Semin thinks that hockey that is not beautiful or creative isn’t worth anything. Unfortunately (for Caps fans), beautiful and creative hockey isn’t what wins you games when they matter. Semin seems to care more about the style than the results.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I have less of a problem understanding Semin’s devotion to beautiful hockey because I come from a performance sport where beauty and creativity are prized. It’s those athletes who left a big mark on the sport, even if they didn’t win.
all that said, damn I want to see the Caps win a Cup.
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I always wondered if the “dead wood” comment was a literal translation or just a substitute metaphor used by the translator. I remember in one of the Ovechkin interviews that Tuvan translated, he noted that the expression Ovi used had no English equivalent, so he substituted “nailing jello to a tree” or something to that effect. Perhaps this is a similar circumstance.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jul 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
good point. I suppose we can only guess.
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Here’s a translation of the same quote by tuvanhillbilly:
"To be honest, I don’t see anything like that in Crosby" said Semin, discussing the style of play of different NHL hockey players. "What is it in him that is special? Yes, he skates well, he has a sharp mind, and he makes outstanding passes. I don’t like to make comparisons. But if you look at others… it seems to me that Chicago’s Patrick Kane is a much more interesting guy."
"You can put a spin on any player, even the most lumbering one. If he makes 100 points in a season everyone will be beating the drum, whether or not what he does on the ice is highly skilled. He could stand in front of the crease during the power play and knock in 50 goals from there and everyone would say "Now that is a real forward!", and they will offer him a $10 million annual contract. This is what they value in the NHL."
"But in Russia we value things differently. We love graceful hockey, not this dump and chase. I have never understood players who do this. Why would you do this when nobody is forechecking? Why fight for the puck and crash into the boards? This is just not my style."
by vtcapsfan99 on Jul 27, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A portrait of the artist as a young hockey player.
Now someone explain how a new 2C is going to affect the play of Sasha Semin.
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by EmilyB on Jul 27, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why fight for the puck and crash into the boards?
My rebuttal: Why commit lots of money/years to you, Semin?
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I also interpreted the comments culturally as highlighting the difference between European and North American styles of goals, that is Crosby’s goals are so often in and around the crease whereas Semin does love his pretty goals.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did Semin claim that he was going to score 100 points?
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Jul 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s interesting to follow up Semin’s logic on this. He seems to suggest that just anyone can score 50 goals or 100 pts in a season, that doesn’t make them a special talent. So why doesn’t he do either? This reinforces the belief that many have that Semin thinks it’s not worth winning if you can’t win pretty.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you not agree that putting up big numbers doesn’t necessarily equate to high talent or skill levels?
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I’d agree. But there is more to being a special player than just high skill levels and pretty play. In today’s game ordinary players don’t put up 50 goals/100 points. Skill is not the be all end all of success in hockey (as an individual or a team), and I’m not sure Semin gets that. Come playoff time I’d rather see more deadwood in front tipping in goals than Semin’s pretty play of the last couple playoff series.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re preaching to the choir here – I’m just saying that Semin’s logic isn’t flawed (there are guys who have huge seasons who aren’t “special” players), even though his priorities clearly are.
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Sure, Semin’s logic is consistent given his definition of “special”. But that is clearly a subjective definition and one that is different from mine (and yours, I imagine). I never meant to criticize his logic, just his premises.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re reading from the same sheet of music here, and the tune ain’t pretty.
I can imagine Semin: “Look at that Holmstrom! What a clod! If he had any skill, he could score goals from the half-boards instead of needing to be on top of the crease!”
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Hell, I wonder how he feels watching Knuble and Laich work on the PP. “We have an extra man, why you not set up for one timer?”
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Or “Why did we sign that old man from the Flyers when Maxime Afinogenov was available?”
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Good lord that is a terrifying thought.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of a friend I played (inline) with in high school. He was 6’2’’, 200+, and couldn’t skate or shoot for a damn. I was 5’11’’, 150, and was fairly quick and had a decent shot. Every practice he’d ask me to teach him to deke and want to work on one timers and such, no matter how much I kept telling him “Mike, you’re a huge dude. Just go to the front of the net, put your butt in the goalie’s face, and wait for the ball to come to you and shoot it in” he never changed his mind. It was like he thought if it wasn’t pretty it didn’t count.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And that man’s name was Alexandre Volchkov
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Max Talbot : Alex Ovechkin :: Karim Garcia : Pedro Martinez
by JimCareyFanClub on Jul 27, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear that someone once insulted Wayne Gretzky…
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Unrelated: I went to college with Tim Benz. Had a very close mutual friend. Not surprised he ended up with the kind of show he has.
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Max: "Oh god that sounds terrible down there. Yeah don’t do that please."
Gee, and we were so hoping to send you pleasing, mellow sounds, Max ;)
But honestly, that’s a DC special. If Pittsburgh started doing it to him I’d be annoyed, partly because Pens fans always mocked it here and partly because they’d be doing so for no historical reason. I know JP hates it but honestly I love it (when reserved for Gonchar and Gonchar ONLY – or Murphy, obviously – this is not an “all former Caps” type of treatment).
Oddest thing I saw all last season was Glen Metropolit getting whooped.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
At least people realize he’s an ex-Cap, so that’s something.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Jul 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a bizarre habit…he used to play here, let’s whoop him. It’s something fans in other places are right to question.
It’s all wrong, but it’s all right.
But it has nothing to do with just being a former Cap. As I hear it told (and I think there are a few versions of this floating around, this is just one interpretation) it’s because of Larry Murphy, who had a tendency to have the puck hop over his stick at the blue line – you know, “whoops!” And then it was passed on to Gonchar as someone with similar tendencies.
I just like it because it’s a sign of people knowing the history – I’m sure not everyone who does it gets it or knows why they’re doing it but other fans in other buildings have similar quirks that are beloved inside, mocked outside.
Yeah, but it was a selective choice because people didn’t like that Murphy wasn’t “physical” (you know, the original Sarge). I saw every Caps home game from 77-97. Not every Dman was Langway or Stevens, and even they made mistakes, believe me. People on here have told me they whoop every ex-Cap they can. I’ll continue to mock the habit from the inside.
It’s all wrong, but it’s all right.
Selective or not, it was a specific player-related trait that led to the whooping – and I don’t remember it ever being applied to any other former Cap until Gonchar came along. Mock it if you want, and that’s certainly your right – and yes, there are those who will (wrongly, imo) do it to every former Cap – but there’s at least a historical reason for it.
…and yes, I know that Langway and Stevens and every defenseman ever to wear a Caps jersey has made mistakes.
IMO it’s just people,many with no first-hand knowledge, perpetuating an unjust stereotype.
It’s all wrong, but it’s all right.
And IMO I think it’s funny…it’s sports, when you take yourself too seriously it’s no longer fun. I don’t think Murph’s crying into his Cup ring (or Gonch, for that matter) because of it. No harm, no foul – but obviously everyone’s welcome to their opinion.
As I hear it told (and I think there are a few versions of this floating around, this is just one interpretation) it’s because of Larry Murphy, who had a tendency to have the puck hop over his stick at the blue line – you know, "whoops!" And then it was passed on to Gonchar as someone with similar tendencies.
I remember it starting out as a turkey-call, courtesy of the rural Maryland demographics that used to dominate the upper levels of the Cap Centre.
we’ll make sure we clap politely at all times so we don’t offend his delicate little eardrums
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HAH, sweet. I’m glad you hate it, Max.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Douche is tame compared to what people say on the ice. I don’t really give a shit.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 27, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If AO played for, say, Philly, I’d hate him with the incandescent passion reserved for really special cases: Michael Irvin, for instance. He does all the things that provoke it, to wit, score a lot and showboat prodigiously while doing it. The hot stick, leaping into the glass, the jumping shoulder bump after wins…all that shit would make me crazy.
But he’s on my team, so I love him.
Also, I’ve called Sid similar (but worse) things in the past, and on this board.
And who cares about Max Talbot, who just bought himself a whole can of whupass?
No BFD.
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by fat_daddyo on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
remember, Talbot is French. That word in French means shower. So, really, he’s calling Ovie a shower. No big deal.
by bilspacecadet on Jul 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Optimism!!!1
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by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s more – so Talbot dislikes Ovechkin. So what? Players play harder and kick more ass when they personally dislike their opponents. Result – we get better hockey. Suits me down to the skin. Like I said, talk’s cheap.
This is such a non-story it’s unreal.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 27, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Caps' WC logo, via Tarik:
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That’s about right. And if that’s a scarf on the Penguin, it’s a nice touch.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s been on there before, I think.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That logo for the Penguins did not appear on a jersey, but it was the first logo for the club. According to the folks at pittsburghhockey.net …
After a few weeks of brainstorming in his Mt. Washington studio, [Pittsburgh freelance artist Bob] Gessner narrowed his focus to the mascot that is slightly different than what the team has on their sweaters today.
The first logo featured a skating penguin with a scarf holding a hockey stick in front of a golden triangle emblematic of the city’s Golden Triangle.
The team’s official colors changed at the last minute from black and white to black and gold, and that drew the ire of the Boston Bruins, who claimed the colors were owned by the Bruins.
"How the hell can you own a color?" Gessner protested at the time. "Red, white and blue were colors used by several teams. Why couldn’t we wear the same colors as the Bruins?"
The new expansion Penguins team deferred to the established Boston club and agreed on a Columbia blue, navy blue and white color scheme.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jul 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
guess I won’t have to buy any winter classic stuff. I already own far too much stuff with the old old logo.
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Too bad the Pens didn’t go blue, eh JP?
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the pens old logo was still yellow on a blue jersey?
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. The scarf makes it clear it is from the very first season.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
somewhere, Tim Gunn is crying.
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If he cries when he sees that, he’ll kill himself when the Caps come out in white pants after labor day.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, and they are away so it would be a white helmet white jersey white gloves white pants white socks. Ridiculous
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With a single red dot on them. Find them on the ice, I dare you.
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That would actually be kind of awesome, once.
You have to figure the Caps will be in white throwbacks of some sort, which would indicate the awesome red pants with the stripes and stars could be back, which would still be kind of awesome.
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by iwearstripes on Jul 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes me think – wonder if I should order my Caps jacket a size up so that I can layer underneath it and wear it to the WC.
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speaking of which, those jackets are HUGE. The small is going to be massive.
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I wrote to my rep to complain about that (I don’t consider minor complaints to be Ted worthy). She didn’t get the point. Like how many fans/season ticket holders are female.
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yeah, I hear you. You’ve seen me, I’m somewhat tall and athletically built, and the small is going to be oversized on me. And there are a lot of female fans who are quite a bit smaller than me, I can’t imagine getting one of those jackets if you’re 5’2" and 100 pounds.
The jackets look nice, but I’m a little disappointed in the whole size kerfluffle.
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Talked to my rep today and expressed my thoughts too. He understood, but said it would have been too difficult to carry too many sizes. Not at all comforting. I’m actually more confused about the sizing since I spoke with him than I was before.
It’s based on measurements :)
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Yes, I got that; however, my rep indicated he tried a large on, but couldn’t tell me what size suit coat he wore. I was trying to get an idea of size for purchasing an additional jacket for my son. My rep also suggested I check some stores that sell similar jackets for more sizing assistance. The Reebok sizing I’ve found is more in line with what I’m used to: 39-40=M and 44=XL.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The 10-year-old new fan in me is delighted.
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by CapitalCentre on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I really would like it better if Alex could have been there today. I understand why he isn’t, and I didn’t want him to have to fly back from Moscow, and I don’t know why they had to hold this on a Tuedsay at the end of July, but I wish he was there.
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So far, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Oh yeah, it’s after noon already – zzzzz? Great. Hopefully it’s not longer than an hour, by the way, that’s how long I set my DVR for.
Looks like the conference is actually over. Individual scrums, so how do they fill the rest of hour on TV?
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The skills competition of course!
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You mean something entertaining?
Oh, never mind, it’s Sid.
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He could not be more bland
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I’d trade personality and no Cup for bland and a Cup in half a heartbeat…
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by J.P. on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It doesn’t have to be either/or. Hopefully, we’ll get to see what personality and a Cup look like very soon.
by b.orr4 on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, you can call Sid bland and not be bashing his entire body of work – we get it, Cup > no Cup. No one’s arguing that.
I know. But it’s just as silly for me to say that as it is for folks to bash Sid for being bland.
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I thought Mods could turn posts green. Damn.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares? He’s been a hockey god since he was a kid. It probably made him emotionally stunted. His loss. I’m not watching hockey for interviews. I’m watching for the play on the ice. He’s good at his job. He plays for a franchise I can’t stand. The end.
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by CP2Devil on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
although I’ve called him “as interesting as tofu” on more the one occasion, he has shown glimpses of actual personality in the past. Of course, he comes off as a bit of an immature brat.
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Are you calling him a douche?
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by fat_daddyo on Jul 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
world of difference between douche and immature brat
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I think he was kinda bored.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They should have sykped Malkin and Ovechkin in on it.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I can barely understand both of them when they’re on TV live. Imagine what it would be like with those five second international delays.
The Ovie and Geno Comedy Hour would be ratings gold.
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by RedBirdie on Jul 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’ll be a hit with the critics! Ovie accepting his emmy: “Hey, I’m not done! I’m going to finish my speech!”
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But if Ovi would’ve been coming to the presser, Max wouldn’t have been so free with his speech this morning and we would’ve been deprived of all the fake drama.
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LOL. Where would we al be without the fake drama. Gotta do something to make July exciting.
But yeah what would happen if he called Ovi a douche to his face in front of the media on the day of the WC. That would be entertaining. Or maybe not. No need for rioting fans. In the cold no less.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
New York Rangers sign Alex Frolov to a 1yr deal worth 3m.
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@dchesnokov is tweeting the same.
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What do you think Staal would be looking for?
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Uh, I’d guess lower.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct, he is reported to be seeking $4M annually (according to rotoworld).
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yeah
I’d pay him that, too, considering what Hamhuis, Martin, Michalek, and Volchenkov got. NYR are not in very good shape, though. Lets say Staal gets 4m. Considering that and Frolov, they’d be over 2m over the cap.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
Vaclav Prospal ($2.100m) / Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m)
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) / Derek Boogaard ($1.625m) / Donald Brashear ($1.400m)
Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.821m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Brian Boyle ($0.525m) / / Alexander Frolov ($3.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Michal Rozsival ($5.000m)
Daniel Girardi ($3.325m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.750m)
Steve Eminger ($1.125m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Marc Staal ($4.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) /Martin Biron ($0.875m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,121,667; BONUSES: $2,162,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$2,559,167
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
what this means is
Glen Sather is a bumbling idiot. Even without the Boogaard deal, paying Girardi as much as he did really handcuffs you with Staal. Oh, and he traded for Steve Eminger!
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You looked at that output and focused on the Eminger acquisition?
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Eminger the player, persay, more the move itself – kinda superfluous, no?
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not superfluous if they don’t resign Staal.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but is Frolov/Boogy > Staal? Because that’s kind of what Sather would’ve done if they let him go.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not, but given his other stupid moves I don’t think that getting Eminger was bad to add to the depth on D. Especially since I think Gilroy might be in the AHL as I said below.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like it, but I don’t know if they plan to move someone or put Gilroy in the minors, so, hard to say right now.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Gilroy really looked like he was in over his head last season, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the AHL. Eminger isn’t a bad depth pickup.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Couple things. First, Staal doesn’t have arb rights, and if he wants to get them, he needs to play another year. So at this point, his only real leverage is that another team might make him an offer sheet, which as we know is a rare occurrence. (It would be a nice way to screw up the Rangers, though).
Second, the Rags will almost certainly waive Brashear and one other guy…so they’ll be somewhat tight to the cap, but not over it.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
I thought they already waived Brashear?
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He’s a 35+ contract, so doesn’t his cap hit stay on the books even if he is waived?
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
good question. I thought if he went to the minors, no cap hit.
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He is. When I said “waived” I really meant send him to the AHL. Then his cap hit is off the books.
Lazy posting by me. Sorry.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
So if he plays in the minors that’s fine even if he is 35+. What about if they loan him to a team in Europe? I’m not too sure about the rules on when a 35+ contract does or doesn’t stay on the books. Does it only stay if he stops playing all together?
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm. I don’t know about Europe, to tell you the truth, but I am guessing that it would come off the books?
I’m starting to feel that creeping sensation that I’m spectacularly wrong, which I often am about the CBA…so take all this with a substantial portion of sodium nitrate.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Here’s the roster that one of the posters over on BSB posted (note the $7M 4C…I just threw up in my mouth a little bit after posting that).
FORWARDS
Alexander Frolov ($3.000m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Vaclav Prospal ($2.100m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.821m) / Sean Avery ($1.937m)
Derek Boogaard ($1.625m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Marc Staal ($4.000m)
Daniel Girardi ($3.325m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.750m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michal Rozsival ($5.000m)
Steve Eminger ($1.125m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) /Martin Biron ($0.875m)
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(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,521,667; BONUSES: $2,587,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,465,833
This roster assumed no Brash on the cap hit, and no Wade Redden (whom I assume he has AHL-bound?)
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Who would you rather have — Flash at $3M or Frolov at $3M. I don’t get to see enough of Frolov to have a good feel for him though he sounds a lot like a Semin or Flash in the bringing it every night/play soft dept. Flash can “play” center though I think I’d take Frolov because he has a couple of 30+ goal seasons and he’s not Flash. It also would be a decent tryout for a guy who potentially could fill Semin’s skates (at least somewhat) when Semin is likely gone next year.
My impression is that Frolov scores when he cares to, but doesn’t show up all the time, doesn’t play much defense, and is kind of sulky in the room. Dunno how accurate that is, of course. But if that’s what he is, I’d prefer to have neither he nor Flash, really.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
I don’t know either. And if that’s true (and you think the other Russians on the team and his bad experience with free agency won’t motivate him), neither is probably the right answer. I think my underlying point is, we’re going to pay Flash $3M? Ain’t there someone better still on the market who will take a one-year deal for that money? Frolov was the most obvious alternative but there’s gotta be someone. Or pay Willie Mitchell that money and let Andrew Gordon take Flash’s spot.
Frolov. Every time. Word on the street is Frolov has a 2 way game that has been improving.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 27, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Last summer was more exciting...
This time last year we were anticipating the effect of Knuble and BMo on the lineup, waiting for Mike Green to put up an Orr-esque season, and wondering if AO would top 60 again.
This year, we’re bitching about Max Talbot and resigning ourselves to Flash doing his thing at a vastly increased cost.
Poop.
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How do I get my hour back?
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by Backeez Got Back on Jul 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
I followed along on the PD live blog. choice comments:
Just an awful backdrop with the yellow seats. Makes me think of diarrhea
The Caps sent Steckel and Knuble. This has to be a protest vote, right?
Keep waiting for Gary to introduce the arbitrator for the Kovalchuk hearing.
Mike Knuble might be sleeping behind his sunglasses
Would someone please get Sidney some sunglasses so he doesn’t look like he just smelled a fart?
There is a vein on the side of Bettman’s head that my HD is really making look scary.
Capitals are so super pissed about having to go to Pittsburgh for this game.
Penguins should come up with a special black-and-white tuxedo uniform and waddle out onto the ice
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I feel dumber just for reading that.
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sadly, those were the HIGHLIGHTS. of course, i did get a couple of amusing visuals, and I didn’t have to watch Bettman.
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Good call. I decided that it would be on the website later in its entirelyty and the comments would tell me the good bits.
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In his brown flipflops!
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by EmilyB on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Arlington represent, yo!
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It’s picture of Stecks just as he’s teed off his shot in the skillz competion. He’s surrounded by a bank of photogs and all the players, and every eye in the place is oriented on watching his puck sail through the goalposts. Srsly, it’s Sports Illustrated quality.
And Stecks is smokin’ hawt.
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Oh no. he’s used up all his goal-scoring mojo for the season.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 27, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aww, Stecks!! I love it. Was this part not included in the coverage on NHL Network? I know over on CI they’re going to try and get some video…which sucks because I can never seem to get their video to work.
I don’t think the skills contest was broadcast (at least, that’s my impression from PD). Tarik probably got it, though, and it’ll go up at some point.
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I almost didn’t recognize him with all his hair cut off. Was that to fit in on the USO tour?
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by CapitalCentre on Jul 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems to be the style this summer for all of the North American Caps. Brooks and Brads are also high and tight this summer.
I think the USO thing got cancelled. It’s not on the Sabres’ website any more, and they were supposed to leave on July 25.
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That’s a shame. Of course, it meant he got to do this fabulous event in Pittsburgh instead.
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by CapitalCentre on Jul 27, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if that ramp caused him to lose the puck to Talbot off-frame.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m till trying to figure out if Sid broke curfew and that’s why they’re making him wear that silly blue shit. “No black shirt for you!”
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Both Caps' shirts...
…look like they took ’em out of the package just this morning at the hotel.
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Thaler? Figured they’d dig up Lisa Hillary for this.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? Thaler is total win.
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Oh I don’t disagree, assumed LH was the CSN go-to Caps correspondent since she’s been here.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
pens love fest makes me sick
I only watched the first 20 mins because all the credit and love everyone was giving to Pittsburgh! MAKES ME SICK!!!!!!
by Varlamov1Capita on Jul 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Eh, it’s their turn. We’ll get a whack at it in a few years when the WC comes to DC (or sooner if the Cup makes it here first). We’re purely in this one to provide the wacky underdog foils to their hometown heroes.
Hey, it’s not all bad. Consider the WC’s that have already happened:
‘07-’08: PIT @ BUF
08’-‘09: DET @ CHI
’09-’10: PHI @ BOS
The away team has lost in the Stanley Cup Final every year.
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Caps need to break with tradition and win in the final this year.
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I might be willing to settle, this year, for the Caps getting to the final instead of flaming out in an early round.
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by CapitalCentre on Jul 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thought it was funny how Bettman spun it “the Away team has APPEARED in the SCF”
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TEB has a brief video up on the stadium and proposed rink set-up. Not much info, but it’s late July. I’ll take what I can get.
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If anyone cares (and it was getting cramped above) I listened to the Talbot interview on lunch, and it didn’t sound that inflammatory.
It starts out the hosts mention Ovechkin won’t be there, ask Talbot about it and he says he’s happy that Ovechkin won’t be there because he doesn’t like him. They push into why and he says it’s because when Malkin introduced Talbot to Ovechkin at the 2009 awards, something happened and Talbot thinks of Ovechkin as a douche. Talbot wouldn’t say what AO allegedly did.
Is it a little too far to call a competitor a “douche” on the radio? Maybe so, but it’s far from controversy, if you ask me. Talbot doesn’t like Ovechkin. BFD. 99% of Penguin players don’t like Capital players and vice versa, that this was said on the radio and not usually where they talk is not that big a deal to me.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
It’s not a big deal to me, either. Talbot’s got his own right to express his views.
I’m sure Ovechkin could care less, though.
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by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a guess but that’s probably why Talbot dislikes Ovechkin in the first place. Surely AO must have blown Talbot off or said something rude to Talbot (at least in Max’s mind).
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Yeah. That’s where the speculation comes in, no?
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by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah speculation on the specifics. But Talbot certainly said that due to their interaction at that award ceremony is the reason why Talbot doesn’t like AO off the ice.
I guess only Malkin, Talbot, Ovechkin and whoever AO was standing by know for sure, and we’ll probably never know.
I’m holding out hope that Malkin indirectly confirms it again and that pisses Ovechkin off at Malkin all over again. Detente off!
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I can already hear Doc, Pierre, and Eddie gushing about the drama and the tension.
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by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. It will generate page-views and air time on the radio, so Bettman probably likes it.
Anyway…
I’d prefer to giggle at the NYR having to pay Wade Redden 6 million to ply his trade in the AHL, and Chris Drury 7 million to anchor the 4th line, but that’s just me.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
So?
From the “That’s Not News” department: The Pens and the Caps don’t like each other very much.
I thought that was why we were all going to go up and spend New Year’s freezing our tushes off in Pittsburgh in the first place!
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not liking each other is good publicity for the league…calling people rude names on the radio isnt. pretty sure bettman isnt laughing. not all publicity is good publicity for the nhl. this isnt nascar.
everyone knows ov and crosby dont exchange birthday cards, doesnt mean it would be good for the league if they bitch slapped each other on camera.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 27, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said above, I have no issue with Talbot not liking Ovie or even saying so on the radio. Who cares? He’s entitled to his opinions. It’s the one step further that he took – just say you don’t like the guy and move on, there’s no need to come out and call someone a douche in a public forum. Ovie’s said Sid talks to much, Sid has said he doesn’t like Ovie’s celebrations, fine.
I’m not even making THAT big a deal over it, I just think it’s a classless move and I’ve said so – because I’ve had to defend this opinion over and over people might think I’m calling for Talbot’s head, but I’m really not. I guess I just take issue with people telling me that it’s either boring, canned interviews or guys calling other guys “douches” in interviews. There’s a happy medium, no need to resort to tactics used by 10-year-olds (with the vocabulary of a 15-year-old).
Seriously, when have you ever – EVER – heard a hockey player refer to another hockey player in that kind of way in an interview?
by Becca H on Jul 27, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously, when have you ever – EVER – heard a hockey player refer to another hockey player in that kind of way in an interview?
I wish we could have been so lucky.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Black soccer players who’ve dealt personally with racism or threats.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
And that’s another reason why I don’t get worked up over this (because Max paid lip service to morning DJs about something that amounts to nothing).
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
So because someone has said something much worse (and more revealing as to his true character or lack of intelligence), it makes this okay? It doesn’t excuse people who have done it before, and who have done it worse – none of it is okay in my mind.
You can be interesting and not be that disrespectful. Most guys are able to find that balance, Max didn’t.
by Becca H on Jul 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And (again) it was dumb because he said it on a mike. But if you’re going to be offended, I hope you’re offended by what goes on on-ice too, otherwise you’re going to have to wonder about 3/4ths of all athletes.
I’m not saying it’s right, but you can’t be mad at the behavior just because the surroundings are different.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
3/4ths of all athletes.
That would be closer to 4/4th’s of all athletes, at any level.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I’m not offended by the word he used, but I’m sure I’d be offended if I heard some of what they say on the ice – I don’t hear it, though. What they say is between them and them alone, I’m sure Talbot’s called Ovie worse on the ice and I’m sure Ovie’s responded in kind. That’s fine.
I don’t have to like what they say and I know they’re probably saying it – I can certainly be madder at the behavior if it’s put forth for public consumption, though, and I consider this to be below the belt.
intended audience makes a difference. That comment was for public consumption.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
intended audience makes a difference.
No, no it doesn’t, particularly if you’re coming from an environment where you’re exposed to it, or made the target by it. If you’re going to eat the steak, whether or not it’s killed in the dining room or slaughterhouse makes no difference.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So when Hockey players go to visit neighborhood elementary schools, it’s OK if they talk like they talk on the ice?
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by bagace on Jul 27, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just like if they kill their wives, it’s OK too.
Or perhaps you want to give out similar examples?
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit I’m puzzled. Elite athletes (in any sport) have heard these kinds of verbal jabs thousands and thousands of times since they were tiny.
How does it continue to get them worked up?
How many ways are there to say “Yo Mama” anyway?
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I dunno, but apparently if it’s done on the radio it’s an FCC complaint.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought you were saying that the intended audience of a comment doesn’t make a difference since hockey players are use to such comments. I think it does. What does that have to do with killing wives?
"HISTORY DOESN’T MATTER!!! .... Who cares if it’s never been done? We aren’t those teams who failed before. We are in control of our own destiny, and we will make it happen our own way.." - A Gordon, June 2010
Both examples are strawmen.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so much. Words you can’t say on radio are also words that you shouldn’t say in front of children but that are acceptable in a bar. We’re still talking about word choice here, not violent crime.
Most certainly you can be mad at particular behavior because the surroundings are different—and if you aren’t, I am. Context matters.
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by CapitalCentre on Jul 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and the context of being on a stupid radio show (instead of being in front of K-6) makes it all the more “Meh” to me.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d for the metaphor. Although I can assure you that your wife will most definitely care if you start butchering livestock in your dining room
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Must be a southern thing. ;)
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. Intended audiences are key for any statement, especially from a PR standpoint.
The audience for on-ice trash talk is the opposing player. Today we are Talbot’s audience.
And from a WC PR standpoint this was a fail by Talbot. I’m sure the Pens organization is not thrilled.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
From a PR standpoint I agree with you. From a Maude Flanders/community outrage standpoint?
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree there. But on this board we are harsh with those who call Crosby names. So why not Ovi too. Or do I need to play hockey first!
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Or do I need to play hockey first!
You need to turn the other cheek.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was trying to be funny. Guess that was a fail on my part.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll even extend your attempt seriously; there’s a difference between making your fanbase look dumber and making yourself look same. What did Talbot do today?
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Message received. I can only imagine what you would be saying on Pensburgh to those defending the remarks.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That implies I visit Pensburgh. ;)
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course I used the conditional tense.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone’s defending the remarks. Perhaps celebrating them and the honesty.
Which is what you’d expect from Pens fans. If a Cap said Crosby is a crybaby or something I’m sure that would be celebrated here on the internet as well.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Not on Japers’ which is why I come here. I have no patience with the Cindy and Crysby stuff.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s pretty rare…and I might laugh at the general sentiment if one of my players said it but I’d be appalled if they said it in an interview.
I wouldn’t hesitate to criticize one of the Caps if they made such comments.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s funny to me is that he is calling Ovi a douche when the guy, is you know, hundreds of miles away. If you really hate the guy so much and want to call him a douche, do it to face. The whole thing is just kind of silly though. To me Talbot just seems a bit immature more than anything else.
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Has ANYONE here really come out and said “my god, such language, someone please think of the children”? No. We’re simply saying it’s not okay for him to call someone names as a professional athlete in a media setting. I don’t object to the word he used and i’m pretty sure no one here has to any extent, either.
(Although I told my sister what he said and she wrinkled her nose and said “ew”. So there’s that.)
I don’t see a community outrage over what was said, but the stupidity exhibited in where/when it was said.
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Exactly. This has nothing to do with Talbot trash talking Ovi, despite what some around here think. Today was supposed to be an event to get people talking about the WC and instead all we’re doing is talking about Max Talbot. That alone should tell you he should have kept his mouth shut and just blended into the background like a good little third-liner.
by b.orr4 on Jul 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just listened to Tarik on the CI video of the skills and he said all that all the media chatter was about Talbot’s remarks and not the WC. So yeah whether intentional or not, Talbot stole the day. He’s a real PR dude.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s because people insist on making it a big deal. If everyone says, “Huh, well, that’s not cool” and goes back to talk about whatever else they’re going to talk about, problem solved.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I was got my knickers-in-a-twist this morning—because of the timing of his remarks to the media. First thought I had was now the media was going to run with the Talbot story first. It’s more colorful.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s because people insist on making it a big deal. If everyone says, "Huh, well, that’s not cool" and goes back to talk about whatever else they’re going to talk about, problem solved.
Right. And if drivers wouldn’t slow down to look at an accident, we wouldn’t have traffic jams. Or if kids wouldn’t tune into “Jersey Shore”, it wouldn’t be a hit and people wouldn’t think that’s the way all Italians speak. It’s human nature, lowest common denominator, etc. We’re all attracted to train wrecks and Talbot’s trash talk was an Amtrak pileup. That’s why everyone’s talking about it and not the WC. And that’s precisely why he shouldn’t have said it.
This has nothing to do with Talbot trash talking Ovi, despite what some around here think. Today was supposed to be an event to get people talking about the WC and instead all we’re doing is talking about Max Talbot.
Wait, so we’re all going to REMEMBER this quote next week, month or when the game is held?
Answer that question, then you know what “some around here think.”
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me crazy, but I remember 0 for 44 a lot more.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet I’m still saying “Who Gives a Fuck” to both quotes.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is your prerogative – to the quotes themselves I generally agree, I couldn’t care less what guys think of one another. In the case of Talbot’s, though, I just don’t think it needed to be shared.
And it seems like someone on their PR staff agrees with me since he’s backtracking a mile a minute and trying to pretend he didn’t say what he said.
So you’re proud that the Penguins PR team shares your opinion? OK.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So we’ve just devolved into an opinion that anyone who works for the Penguins is inherently evil and stupid? I’m not proud they share my opinion, I’m not anything – just slightly vindicated that I’m not the only one who thought it was a moronic thing to do.
No. It was a joke. Have some wine and watch that link I sent you earlier.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Randomly related — Talbot said it goes back to the 2009 awards show. So, might Talbot have done something during the 08-09 season (on or off the ice) that might have pissed off Ovi enough that he didn’t forget it?
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Perhaps be a member of the team that eliminated Ovie’s, go on to win a Cup, and see Ovie not too long after? If it were me, I’d have a hard time being nice too.
Yeah, but Ovi and Geno famously made up last year, so you’d think bringing Talbot over, he wasn’t expecting bad behavior. I was figuring something more than the Cup.
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Looks like Talbot got the memo and is trying to play nice. Also looks like Stecks and Knuble aren’t apppreciating it.
Given the chance to explain himself at Tuesday’s news conference, Talbot downplayed his comments.
“It’s always a big rivalry and whatever you say the other team is not going to like,” Talbot said. "He’s a great player but he’s not fun to play against. What can you say stir up a little intensity? “It was more about on-the-ice stuff than off the ice,” Talbot added. “You hate to play against him. That’s what I meant.”
Mike Knuble and David Steckel, who represented the Capitals at Heinz Field, weren’t convinced.
“It’s bulletin-board material,” Steckel said with a smirk, “and it’s not quite August yet.”
Knuble added: “It’s the end of July and somebody’s got to say something. It just adds to the rivalry. . . . I can’t imagine any of our players saying something like that about Sidney Crosby.” -Wa Post
I heart Knoobs. Although I think we should probably add “in public” to the end of this:
I can’t imagine any of our players saying something like that about Sidney Crosby.
But still – he’s right. And to be honest I couldn’t imagine many of their guys saying something like that (in public) about Ovie, either.
Mike seems like the kind of guy who probably let Talbot know he didn’t appreciate him talking about his Captain that way.
Hey Max
I wouldn’t want Gramps looking at me in that tone of voice.
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by EmilyB on Jul 27, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The execution got botched because the thread is all the way on the right, but rec’d for the concept.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 27, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously? Wow. It was in every ad. I never saw the movie though.
Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.
I mean, it does, but it doesn’t. Without spoiling it, I can’t really say.
"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."
Heh. Talbot’s train of thought finally left the station, and he figured out he’s uncorked a stupid, stupid statement.
Stecks and Knoobs ain’t no fools – they’re not going to give anything back the other way, but they’re not going to let it die, either.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Seriously.
"It was more about on-the-ice stuff than off the ice," Talbot added. "You hate to play against him. That’s what I meant."
…was there ice at the 2009 Awards?? Cool.
wasn’t there fake ice for Ovie’s video game shoot? maybe that’s the ice he meant :)
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Lying makes me lose more respect for Talbot than saying something stupid off the cuff.
I’d have preferred “maybe it was a stupid thing to say and not the time for it, but the guy asked me a question and I gave him my honest answer. I don’t like that guy Ovechkin.”
Lying about it is a two-bit move. I’m not even sure what the point is — nobody believes him anyway.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Tarik never uses the “douche” quote in the story, so I’m left to conclude that while it’s fine for radio, apparently, not so much for the Post. But I really wanted to see it in print for some reason.
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My favorite thing about that whole incident was that so many people were offended that the Post felt it necessary to run an article the next day detailing all the times they – and other major newspapers – had published profanity.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what the big deal is. If that kind of language is OK in the opinions of the U.S. Supreme Court, why shouldn’t a newspaper be able to publish it?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s a rather puritanical country when it comes to stuff like that.
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Ovie probably wouldn’t share his showgirls.
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I find this to be a perfectly plausible theory
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That’s true. Ovi is anything but unfiltered, has said when he doesn’t like someone, and does engage in trash talk—Halak’s shaking hand—but has as far as I recall refrained from making it personal using words like “douche.”
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
In English.
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Hah—you’ve got a great point. Maybe it’s time to mike Ovi on ice. Bet it’s pretty colorful. In Russian.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Talbot’s a unique character too; of all the Pens around I’m not surprised it’s him who said something like this. I don’t think it’s really that classless to say something in public, it’s an expression of how he felt and a way to use a strong word to get his point across. Was it necessary? No. Personally I wish he wouldn’t have been so open, no need to poke the bear and give Ovechkin or his teammates any more motivation.
Seriously, when have you ever – EVER – heard a hockey player refer to another hockey player in that kind of way in an interview?
I don’t have the time or energy to go through it now, but today is definitely not the first time a hockey player has publically called another a name.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
If it’s happened – and obviously I’m not going to assume Talbot is such a trailblazer as to be the first, I shouldn’t have phrased it that way – it’s been a long time, and few and far between.
Besides which, there’s this mentality of “well, OTHERS have done it so it’s okay”. No, it’s not okay just because others have before, particularly not in other sports. One of the reasons I like hockey is that this kind of crap stays out of it – at least publicly. I have no delusions that they’re choirboys and don’t call each other names in more private moments. It’s much more rare in interviews, that’s my point.
by Becca H on Jul 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Off the top of my head there’s the time Dino called out Claude Lemieux.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
“I can’t believe I shook his freakin’ hand.” Classic
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eh, no big deal. just boys being boys. but i’m sure talbot has had his douchy moments too. i’d say that it would have been more accurate to say ov was a douche to him at the awards show vs. ov is a douche. we’ve all seen ov enough to presume he’s not a douche 24/7…
all these guys have bad moments and i’m sure the last thing ov wanted to do was shake hands with another guy who still had that “i just won the stanley cup” glow. pretty sure malkin was giving ov enough shit about it…
but to say he’s glad ov wasnt there today is too bad. ov = publicity. and publicity is good for all the players and teams. love stecks and knubs, but without ov there this will barely register outside the burgh and dc.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 27, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m on board with everyone saying not to blow this stupidity out of proportion, and I’m not really inclined to listen to the interview, but in all fairness how would you feel if one of our role-playing guys called your star player a douche to the media in an interview on a WC press day for the two teams?
I will add that I would be criticizing our player for making such stupid comments in that scenario. Call me naive, call me a mom, but I’m not ever a huge fan of trash talk. Personally, I prefer the players to make their statements the ice.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I prefer the players to make their statements the ice.
Funny, since trash talk is a part of most sporting events to try and throw people off their games.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
See Zidane, Zinedine.
Joe Finley to the Russians: "Como estas?"
by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. But they aren’t playing right now. I said it elsewhere but I know Ovi and the others have said stuff on the ice. And stupid things directly to the media such as the “shaking hand” of Halak, which I thought unnecessary. Plus trash talk on the ice or at the time of the game has an immediate effect from the other player. Who is Talbot talking to right now? I think the public. Not the Caps players.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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You didn’t mention that Lindsay highlighted the Talbot interview. Heh.
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Tarik mentions the Talbot interview in the video, too.
I don’t want to ruin the video for anyone, but let’s just say good prevails and kittens are saved, despite a certain someone getting an extra attempt.
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it’s impossible to see the pucks, isn’t it? Kinda annoying.
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Getting ready for the Brooks/Brads/Bouds show at "Off the Record"
(Sorry Becca!)
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do NHL hockey players EVER wear shoes????
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m starting to have my doubts.
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Eight to ten months in skates must be why.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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Bleh. I hate everything about Pittsburgh, including that bridge they’re so proud of.
-These go to eleven.
Actually I think it’s an excellent logo, with a good iconic image, references to Pittsburgh’s unique geography, and a subtle nod to the steel industry. Very well done IMO, and I’ll be pleased to own some WC merchandise.
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Totally. I love that logo. I even (forgive me) like the Penguins logo. It’s very shinny, which is just right for an outdoor game.
"I wake up in the middle night frustrated because we lost out in the first round and I want to see our players hoist the Stanley Cup." -Brooks Laich
by CapitalCentre on Jul 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I kind of love the little scarf, I think it’s very whimsical. And very anti-evil, which is kind of disturbing. He’s like “hey, it’s cold out, and my mama always told me to wear a scarf so I don’t get the sniffles!”
The penguin with the scarf = awesome.
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by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it count as Holding if you grab it, or is the Polamalu Rule in effect?
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Isn’t the Polamalu Rule a personal foul or like intent to injure?
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Nah – the Polamalu Rule is with respect to his hair. If it comes out of the back of the helmet, it can be legally grabbed to tackle.
Example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVO93amUv7Y
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I have no hair and I still wince from that.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byEGjLU2egA
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The classic curse?
Okay so I’m bored but going over some of the classic info a trend became apparent.
Since the inception of the NHL’s Winter Classic outdoor game starting during the 2007-2008 NHL Season, the away team in each instance has gone on to the Stanley Cup Finals only to lose that series. The 2007-2008 Pittsburgh Penguins were the visiting team against the 2007-2008 Buffalo Sabres, only to lose to the Detroit Red Wings in the finals that year. The 2008-2009 Detroit Red Wings visited the 2008-2009 Chicago Blackhawks, only to lose to the Pittsburgh Penguins in the finals in 2009. The 2009-2010 Philadelphia Flyers visited the 2009-2010 Boston Bruins, only to go on to lose to the Chicago Blackhawks in that years Finals.1
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Well given that the Caps broke with tradition to lose in seven games after being up 3 to 1, I could live with them breaking tradition again by winning the Cup after being the WC away team.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
A wise man recently told us that HISTORY DOESN’T MATTER.
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the Caps broke with tradition to lose in seven games after being up 3 to 1
Isn’t that exactly the Caps’ tradition?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But I thought the Caps set a new bar for disappointment (notwithstanding the Bruins failure).
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and I was being “ironical.”
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t that exactly the Caps’ tradition?
No, its Washington tradition to disappoint.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Agreed. People saying we need to break tradition need to remember getting to the finals isn’t a given. We can’t get greedy, like we did last year. No “16 wins to go”- FOUR wins to go. No getting Milan jurcina back and saying he’ll help us in the second round. Nothing is a guarantee, superstition or not. Right now the focus has to be- why did we lose in round one and how do we fix it. Not whether or not we’ll be able to defeat a recent coincidence
by 8vechkin on Jul 27, 2010 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with the “one step at a time” aspect, but it is sixteen wins to go. To say “four wins to go” seems to suggest the goal is just getting out of the first round, and these Caps should have bigger ambitions than that.
by David M. Getz on Jul 27, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. I phrased myself poorly. The goal is a cup, but we can’t forget the rounds you have to get through before you can talk about beating a Stanley cup finals curse
by 8vechkin on Jul 27, 2010 6:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Alex Ponikarovsky signs with the Kings.
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Interesting. What are the terms?
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Haven’t seen ’em, yet.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 27, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The Kings’ Poni? Oh, the jokes.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
From a possible Kovy signing to Ponikarovsky…wow.
That’s bad.
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by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Definitely getting the JV version of the scoring winger.
But a lot cheaper. So that’s something.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
And they won’t be stuck with him for the next seventeen years.
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Yeah, he did score 24 goals only 2 seasons ago, while Frolov only scored 19 this year.
I think, with the Kings, it’s possible for him to get 20+ again, if he’s with the right guys.
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by Steck It Out on Jul 27, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Afinogenov seemed to resurrect his career in Atlanta last year…don’t see why that couldn’t happen for Ponikarovsky
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 27, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Steinberg took a break from his vacation just for us.
"It's always good to have vikings."
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oh, and Steinberg got in a crack about the hats! love it.
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Mirtle tweet -
Just to update: I can confirm Brian Pothier signed in Switzerland BUT he has an NHL out clause until Aug. 15.
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I do hope he finds a place in the NHL.
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Me too. I find this sad.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jul 27, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s hoping George remembers his name. Seriously, Potsy good enough that he shouldn’t have to go to Switzerland to play.
Switzerland! I think that’s the worst part. not even SEL or the Finnish league.
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Good quality of life, and he’s still able to play hockey and enjoy life there after his concussion. I can think of worse things to happen.
If the wife and kids get to choose between Switzerland and Siberia, I know which I’d choose.
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Swiss league pays pretty well, too. It’d be a better stop than Finland.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 27, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
didn’t know that, thanks.
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Caps have some video from today up now. McPhee actually laughs at one point. On the Sidney and Knuble video, you can skip ahead to the 1:00 mark.
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Max Talbot
Is a no talent hack who was traded on Ovechkin’s celebrity to get his own name in the paper.
That is all.
EmilyB, I’m sure you’ll have the link in tomorrow’s clips, but the Alex Ovetjkin blog site reports that the first encounter of Ovechkin with Talbot was a hit that Ovi did on Talbot early in his career. A really big hit on Talbot that knocked him down. The commentators did NOT think Ovi was dirty.
Rocking the Red since 1975
Completely unrelated. Talbot doesn’t care about that hit.
His issue with Ovi is most likely related to the residual bad feelings between Malkin and Ovechkin. Now that the Olympics/World Championships are over, Geno and AO won’t need to be teammates for a long, long time and can go back to feudin’.
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TEB tweet
Caps avoid arb with Tomas Fleischmann, sign winger to one year $2.6 million contract.
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He signed for (possibly) less so he could show whatever worth he thinks he has as a pending UFA, what’s wrong with that?
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 9:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where are the salary cap calculators out there? Is this a good number?
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Washington
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82 | 54 | 15 | 13 | 121 |
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Atlanta
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82 | 35 | 34 | 13 | 83 |
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Carolina
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82 | 35 | 37 | 10 | 80 |
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Tampa Bay
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82 | 34 | 36 | 12 | 80 |
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Florida
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82 | 32 | 37 | 13 | 77 |
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