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Concessions at the Verizon Center

Given some of the recent "press" the Verizon Center has received (ESPN, PHT, also mentioned in a Fanshot and Monday's Caps Clips), I felt this would be as good a time as any to comment on an issue that has bothered and annoyed me as a sports fan for quite some time...concessions.  I'll focus on the Verizon Center, mainly because this is a Capitals blog and because as a Caps season ticket holder I've easily seen more live sporting events in that location than I have any other, but many of my grievances are not limited to DC's hockey home but rather my general experiences at sporting arenas all over the place (and I have built quite a resume as a traveling sports fan over the years*).

First and foremost, the recently noted health violations barely scratch the surface of my displeasure towards the concessions business at sporting arenas.  For me, the entire experience is just awful, and it doesn't matter where you go -- long lines, high prices, unfriendly service and poor food quality just seem to be standard across the board.  What motivation do team/stadium owners have to fix these issues?  Pretty much none as far as I see it, since money is currently being made hand over fist with the system as is.  I personally feel, however, that improving the service and customer experience at these concession stands could easily generate even more revenue, if done correctly...and based on some of Ted Leonsis' recent comments about wanting to listen to fans and improve the fan experience, I also believe that he may be a lot more receptive to hearing some ideas for improvement than some of other franchises' owners might be.

It would probably be impossible for me to compile a complete list of every issue I've ever had at Verizon Center regarding concessions, but here are a few my top general pet-peeves:

1.  Long Lines/Slow Service

There is nothing you can do about lines forming at the concession stands, especially during critical times like the pre-game rush and intermissions.  When you have 18,000+ people in one building and only limited number of vendors to sell food, lines are inevitable.  What can be drastically improved, however, is the speed at which the people in the line are served.  At the stands near my section (and probably everywhere throughout the arena), the current system just flat out reeks of inefficiency.  Typically, what happens when a customer's turn in line comes up is the following:  give order to cashier, cashier stares at register for 20-30 seconds, cashier punches order into register, cashier gives order total to customer and asks for payment, payment is collected and change/receipt is given, cashier proceeds to collect ordered items to give to customer 1 at a time, beer tap goes dry, customer is informed they will have to wait a few minutes or order a different beer, customer is not given a tray for the 2 beverages, 3 hotdogs and tub of popcorn ordered and must request one, cashier walks around looking for cardboard tray, upon receiving tray, customer realizes it is too flimsy to carry all the items ordered nor do the beer cups actually fit into the cup holders, customer spends 20-30 seconds trying to collect all items safely and proceed to condiment station.

Fast food companies spend tons of money trying to find ways to knock every precious second off the time it takes to fill a customer's order.  Why?  Because the more people you can serve in a given amount of time = money that can be made in the same given amount of time.  When demand is virtually endless, increasing the volume of customers that can be accommodated in the time allowed translates in to more money being made by the vendor.  With only a few simple changes, the average Verizon Center concession stand could easily process customer orders faster -- simple things like having people dedicated to pouring and monitoring beer, and having one person fill an order while another handles the money are just 2 things that would drastically improve the service and get the line moving faster (and trust me, there are are already enough people working at the stands to operate in this manner).  In addition, roving vendors in the seating areas may not work very well at hockey games, but having a few extra beer carts or vendors selling bottled beer/soda/water in the concourse could help reduce the number of people having to wait in the lines as well.  I know I'm not the only person to ever say to myself, "ah, to hell with it -- I don't want a beer enough to wait in that line, I'll just go back to my seat".

2.  Prices
Everyone expects to gouged at sporting event concession stands, it's a fact of life.  Maybe the prices could be lower...maybe they can't be -- I really don't know enough about the business to determine where prices need to be set in order to make a profit on top of the costs of operation.  What I do know is that if it feels like a slap in face to pay $25 for 2 beers and 2 hotdogs, then it's a straight punch to the gonads to pay $25 for 2 warm beers and 2 cold hotdogs on stale buns...which is what you usually end up getting.  If you have to charge premium prices, at least try to offer a quality product more representative of that price.  This, of course, brings us straight to:

3.  Food Quality
I can't say how many times I've found myself rushing to get out of work in time to make a weeknight game, getting to the metro only to realize that I haven't had time to get anything to eat since lunch, and am pretty much left with no alternative but to buy my dinner at the Verizon Center if I don't want to miss any of the game.  Shouldn't be that big of a deal, should it?  Yeah, I usually try to grab something to eat before the game mainly because eating at the arena can become quite costly, especially if you go to 30-35 games a year (+ playoffs), but what I really hate is getting there, paying my hard-earned money, and then getting to my seat only to realize I'm about to "enjoy" an already cold hotdog on a roll that couldn't be described as anything but harder than the puck that's about to be dropped on the ice.  It's depressing.  To Ted and every other owner out there:  If I actually enjoyed the food and looked forward to eating it, I'd be A LOT more likely to justify spending my money on it a bit more often, rather than just out of sheer necessity.  It's not just hot dogs either, as I have found a lot of the food I've encountered to be unappetizing to say the least.

Bonus:  Volunteers
I was actually glad the ESPN article touched on this, as it is definitely a practice that causes me quite a bit of frustration, even if not necessarily for the reasons given in the article.

Food service companies at several stadiums also allow nonprofit groups to run some stands using volunteers, which have been the subject of complaints and violations. In 2005, health department inspectors in Cincinnati got fed up with repeat violations at Paul Brown Stadium due in large part to non-profit volunteers, said Karen Draper, a health department supervisor who used to be in charge of stadium inspections.

"Not wearing gloves, not knowing where the thermometer is, not knowing what temperature it's supposed to be … leaving the ice scoop lie in the ice bin so they had to stick their hands in there to get it," she said. "Stuff that if you worked in a restaurant you would know not to do."



I've seen this happen at the concession stands near my section on a few occasions, and the simple fact is that these people lack the experience to run a concession stand.  It may be a great way to earn money, but it is extremely frustrating when all you want is to get to your order, and it takes twice as long because the people running the concession stand don't know what their doing.  There are plenty of other ways to raise money, and this practice really shouldn't be allowed.

 



Bottom line:  On any given night, there are 18,000+ hungry and thirsty fans at the Verizon Center who are there primarily to watch a hockey game...not wait in line.  It only adds insult to injury to learn the the food we've been getting may not have been up to health code standards this entire time as well.  These are just my opinions, but I feel like I'm not alone here, at least not based on some of the comments I've heard from my fellow section mates on the matter during Caps games.

 

* Just to name a few stadiums/arenas I've visited, off the top of my head...
Verizon Center, Nationals Stadium, RFK Stadium, FedEx Field, Oriole Park at Camden Yards, M&T bank Stadium, Giant Center, Three RIver's Stadium, Mountaineer Field, Beaver Stadium, Byrd Stadium, Folsum Field, Alltel Stadium, Georgia Dome, The Igloo, Veteran's Stadium, University of Phoenix Stadium

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I agree with you on all points. This might be a good thing to email to Leonsis.

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by cobracg on Jul 26, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. He is definitely going to get a ton of emails about the survey that just came out. A thoughtful, well written letter describing issues and some kind of solution might be exactly what he wants to see

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by amkcaps on Jul 26, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m definitely not against the idea. Without looking too hard, does anybody know the best way to do such a thing?

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 26, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always had luck sending it direct to him. WashingtonCaps@aol.com

by Gin and Tonic on Jul 26, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks…I may just do that.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 26, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unions

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the VC concessions are Union run. This may be one of the many ingregients as to why the entire operation lacks efficiency.

by SkipjackCap on Jul 26, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

That may be true…but I’m also pretty sure the entire operation is under contract as well. The quality of work you get out of contracted labor often depends on the competition out there to take your business…and I’m guessing there’s not too many outfits out there that can promise better service at comparable rates, which is also an issue.

Most of my suggestions don’t require any more actual work on the part of the concession employee however, so I don’t see why they wouldn’t be receptive to improvement.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 26, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no stake in defending any union, but that’s a strawman argument. Even at unionized wages, the pay likely stinks, and it’s not 40 hours a week. This is pin money for some people and sub-poverty wages for others. (My sister-in-law used to, and maybe still does, work for a vendor at FedEx and Richmond locations for extra money. I don’t see how it’s worth the effort for someone comfortably middle class, especially when they have to drive up from Richmond to work.) The only think the vendor is looking at is the bottom line.

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 26, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I NEVER intended to say anything negative regarding the actual employees at the stands. An employee’s motivation can only be expected to match that of his/her pay and opportunities to improve upon their position — and I’m guessing both of those are pretty low. It doesn’t mean management shouldn’t be more motivated to get the most out of their employees, and increase overall productivity and service.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 26, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might be better if you had evidence for your claim instead of needlessly bashing unions.

It stands to reason that since a number of other Aramark-run stadiums that may also be union-run scored very well, the problem may lie with local management, not the rank and file employee.

by Gin and Tonic on Jul 26, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the first problem Aramark.

Terrible food. Terrible pricing. A number of colleges use it too, and I’ve been at schools they rank at Tier 1(lowest cost, lowest quality) to Tier 5(obviously better) and still was not impressed. Plastic food.

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by breaklance on Jul 26, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aramark used to be the concession contract for the Nationals as well. The employees are still slow about getting food and don’t hesitate to let you know how much they don’t want to be working, but the quality of the food (at the non-local stands) at Nats Park has improved somewhat.

My college used Chartwells……man, there was an company that didn’t have a clue what they were doing when it came to food.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are 100% spot on!

I am very familiar with the “quality” of products offered by Aramark, they were the food provider at my college and boy did they suck! One of the happiest days was when Quizno’s opened a campus location.

But yeah, pretty much what everyone says, Aramark is a product of a culinary demon.

by DC_Determination on Jul 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, actions speak louder than words. Obviously, getting concession stations to the point where they’re not a public health risk has to be priority 1, but I still say that if you truly want to improve the overall fan experience, you can’t stop there.

Step 1: make me feel like it’s “safe” to eat the food
Step 2: make me actually “want” to spend my money and eat the food

Until very recently, I though step 1was at least under control…but apparently I was a bit naive.

And hey, I’m not even saying that they should go in and change the menus and bring in all kinds of fancy, unique fare — to be honest I’m perfectly fine with standard stadium fare…but I’d like to be able to sit there and say, “Man, that was a really good hot dog and those nachos were off the hook!” instead of, “ugh, do I want rubbery chicken strips and soggy fries or a cold hotdog in a rock-hard bun?”

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 26, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s hearing about stuff like this that should hopefully put the final kibosh on any consideration for RFK as a WC site.

And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.

by Bald Pollack on Jul 26, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Funny, when talking to a friend/co-worker earlier today about the health inspection report I said, “Did they include RFK stadium?” because I could not believe that those results could have been very good, at least not any better than the Phone Booth.

Then I started thinking about it…RFK is old and the condition of the facilities have got to be nothing short of awful for those that have to work there, but in the end the ability to pass a health inspection comes down to the people running the facilities and their commitment to safe food handling practices, so it’s probably wrong to criticize them based only on my opinion of the stadium’s age and condition.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 26, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s probably wrong to criticize them based only on my opinion of the stadium’s age and condition.

Might I interest you in a grey hot dog on a stale bun sir?

And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.

by Bald Pollack on Jul 26, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm…no thanks. My only point was it could be technically possible to make good food there…not that I expected to actually get it!

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 26, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Kramer eat the last one of those at the movie theatre?

by Scofield on Jul 29, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

RFK wasn’t included in this survey, but I wouldn’t eat anything from the stands when I went to Nats games there. I had a chance to hang out with some of the guys who delivered promos (t-shirts, rally towels), and they told me that the stands were to be avoided at all costs. The roaming carts were a slightly better bet, since they hadn’t sat around RFK for decades.

by miseenjeu on Jul 27, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The food there is actually alot better now than it was when the Nationals were there

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by Doncosmic on Jul 29, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has RFK really deteriorated that much? I haven’t been home and around for a soccer game there in years, so I remember it being not too bad back in the late 90s early 2000s. Sad to hear that it is pretty much falling apart

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by renstar on Jul 26, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could be worse I guess, but the entire concourse area (concessions, restrooms, etc) is really outdated and under-maintained. I think it works fine for the occasional concert, but I’ve even heard that the United are growing unhappy with the facility.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You hear right.

Basically any improvement in infrastructure (new seats, etc.) would have to be paid for by the team, who’s already losing money as it is just from game day operations at a minimum, so they don’t want to foot another bill. So seats are broken and not fixed, toilets don’t work, etc. They only repaved the parking lots this year because that’s where they dumped all the snow.

And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.

by Bald Pollack on Jul 27, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have proposed a “Season Ticket Holder Debit Card” in the past. Very much like the Smarttrip card on the metro, you load it, and can swipe it to buy things at Verizon. The only difference is that you can get 5 or 10% off all purchases.

This encourages people to invest in the card, allowing Ted to invest and predict concession revenue’s, speeds up lines, and makes everyone happy.

Without the discount on purchases, I dont think it will work. There is no reason to pre-load without a benefit to the buyer.

by SA-Town on Jul 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Very awesome idea! I’d definitely be interested in something like this. (with the discount).

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 27, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some great ideas being thrown around here—unfortunately, it’s all for nought. The VC food and those who serve it have been so shitty for so long that even if Ted pours his heart and soul into the issue, it probably won’t matter. It’s become an entire culture of apathy and indifference (not that I blame people getting shit pay for providing shit service.) And let’s face it, things are going pretty well if the arena food is something near the top of the gripe list. Slightly OT, but for all of the VC’s faults, I’ve always been impressed with the 400 level guest service reps—total class.

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by turnituptoeleven on Jul 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Your exactly right…and it’s not just the VC either. Some places are better than others, but let’s face it, you pretty much know what to expect no matter what stadium/arena you visit. Two things though:

1. Health dept. violations MUST be taken care of — it’s not just a matter of quality service, it’s an issue of public health

2. Leonsis had come out and specifically said he wants to do right by the fans and improve the fan experience (in a manner that actually seems sincere, unlike some others who have said that same but never really meant it). If that’s true, he is one owner that may actually try to improve upon things like the food and drink quality offered to customers. At the very least he has a proven track record of listening and responding to fans…so let’s see what happens.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 27, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

it may be just me (or the beer talking from that night) but I did get the beef brisket sandwich for like $10-$12 in the 400 level one game… and it was amazing. really, it’s the only good thing i’ve ever eaten at Verizon.

at FedEx…. the chicken tenders from famous dave’s were excellent (in the club level)…

oriole park? – the food is better than the team, so if I’m going there… it’s for dinner :-)

by Scofield on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I’ve got the best solution of all here

Start all Caps games at 8pm. (like that’ll ever happen) :)

That’ll give people another hour to get food BEFORE the game at their restaurant of choice instead of just barely making it from work and being forced to eat a brick in the shape of a hot dog.

I never really had much of a complaint about the beer situation. Their overpriced as is, but if you’re willing to shell out an extra 2 bucks for something OTHER than urine (aka Bud light, miller, coors, etc) those little stands with the fancy beer never seem to have huge lines.

by Brainumbc on Jul 29, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would prefer 7:30 to 8, just because I don’t want games that go to shootout to end around 11PM…but I agree having some extra time to get there would help considering the traffic issues in this area.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 30, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely don’t want games to start at 8pm. Metro service is sketchy enough when games end at 9:30 – I don’t even want to think about 10:30

by miseenjeu on Jul 31, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you think about it, the crap beer you refer to really isn’t that overpriced. They pour those in 24 oz cups (draft, no less) for $7.50. Any other venue in town you’re usually paying $7 or $8 for 16 oz bottles.

I took a liking to the Long Hammer IPA stand outside 119 I think.

by Cluster on Jul 30, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but only the “domestic” beer comes in the 24oz size (Bud, Bud light, etc…and apparently Yuengling isn’t domestic)…any of the other beer selections cost the same but come in much smaller sizes.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Aug 2, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yuengling isn’t “domestic” because domestic is just a marketing term for “crap beer”… and yuengling, despite being as cheap as budweiser, actual has this thing called.. umm.. Taste

Therefore it is more expensive.

by Brainumbc on Aug 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that was pretty much my point. Yuengling is made right here in the US, and unlike almost all of the other “domestic” macro-brews out there, is also US owned.

Also, I would be able to wrap my head around a higher cost if the beer were more costly to purchase in retail stores, but as you mentioned, Yuengling is usually priced about the same as Bud, Miller, Coors, etc every where else. I simply don’t get it’s status as a “premium” or (even more absurdly) “import” beer at the concession stands.

I’m not even trying to say that Yuengling is the “best” beer out there either, but I’d take it over the usual offerings of Bud and Bud light ANY day of the week…I am just simply not willing to pay twice as much for it.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Aug 2, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I demand beer that’s 8%+!

by Brainumbc on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Analysis...

This is something Ted should see. I know he does stop by the Rink on occasion.

Personally, I’ve been to a number of arenas, hockey and otherwise, and the VC is certainly in the bottom half in terms of the concessions, with the exception of fresh-popped popcorn. No one does it better than Joe, who’s been popping it fresh back in the days at the Cap Centre.

Be that as it may, the best concessions I’ve seen at a game, by far, was at the RBC Center in Raleigh, when I went to a Caps game. The concessions stands in the section I was in were all together with the various arena-style food and drink you expect, and it was cafeteria style, in that you selected the items you wanted, put them in the tray, and then took the tray to the cashier. One set of these concession stands even had a food court where you could sit at a table or stand at a table. The cashiers were friendly even to those of us in Caps jerseys (in fact everyone who worked at the RBC Center was friendly…well other than the Storm Squad ladies… but they’re biased…)

Another great place for concessions is the Potomac Nats stadium (I forget the name). If you buy a box seat (and they’re pretty inexpensive) they have waiters come to take your order and then deliver your items. Can’t beat that.

The worst concessions in the area is RFK. Ugh. The place is dirty, dark, filthy and falling apart. Once United gets their new digs, they need to demolish RFK…what a dump it’s become. Another place that concessions are no good is FedEx Field. The lines are long even during the game, and they’ll sell beer to anyone with a 20, even if they’re clearly inebriated. Definitely not good.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Dont forget that arena’s that are in the middle of nowhere will put more effort into food, because thats your only option. RBC is in a parking lot. You cant eat before the game if you want too. I went to a game in Denver also. Great concessions, but in a parking lot. Philly is the same thing.

If you want food at Verizon Center, get it at the world class places to eat around the arena BEFORE or after the game. If Verizon was my only option for food when I go to Caps games, I would be more upset.

by SA-Town on Jul 27, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best place I’ve gotten food at near VC was Matchbox – it’s a pizza place just a few minutes walk away. Wood-fired oven, great drinks…. highly recommended.

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by timmyv38 on Jul 27, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

University of Phoenix Stadium was probably the best experience I’ve ever had (never been to RBC Center), but then again it was pretty much brand new when I was there for the Fiesta Bowl in 08.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 27, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the Rock and BankAtlantic Center noth had outstanding concessions – and even Nassau Coliseum’s were better than VC’s.

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by gotsparkly on Jul 27, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mice droppings, yummy…

I here they are great with ketchup…

by gravyjunk on Jul 28, 2010 3:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Would that be ketchup from the pump bottle, or from the packets…. ;-)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll bet mice tuds are actually a delicacy in some countries. Maybe VC is just trying to cater to the international crowd

by Brainumbc on Jul 29, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

What’s that stat again – what amount of mice droppings are acceptable in cereal? They simply cannot keep mice/droppings out of cereal. You can see them sometimes, the hard dark “flakes”.

Last night I saw a cricket jumping around in a window display of pizza’s at a place as I ordered a slice after watching a friend’s band. That’s cool how they only let crickets in there, I’m sure they have some expensive laser defense targeting other types of 6-legged antennae’d insects

by Icebat on Jul 29, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet cricket pizza is kinda yummy

by Brainumbc on Jul 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I always sneak in as much food/beverage as possible any time I go to a place like a sporting venue or movie theater

And I’m not afraid to admit it.

C’mon.. all you folks in Silver Spring have at least thought about the convenience of having a liquor store right next to the AFI and the Magestic :)

The price and the quality isn’t really much of an issue for me with the Verizon Center. I’m prety much resigned to the fact that I have to refinance my home and pull out all the equity every time I go and have a craving for a 10 day old hot dog bun.

But the speed is what I have the problem with. You’re right. They’re slow as hell and it seems like every time you go up there it’s a trainee that has to ask 5 different people “where is this”? I actually ordered some cracker jacks once and the lady at the register couldn’t have been more confused. “Whats a cracker jack”? Maybe if they didn’t hire a bunch of kindergarten dropouts to work the registers, the people would be served twice as fast.

by Brainumbc on Jul 28, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually wonder if setting up a “conveyer belt” type system might help with concessions. Not sure how it would work, but they can take a lesson from that Sushi place on the ground floor at Gallery place.

I’ve been hungry a few times while rushing to a Caps game with only 5 minutes till the puck drop (with 7pm games in a workaholic traffic-hell-hole like DC, who ISNT in this situation everytime they go to a game?) and I always run into that restaurant, sit down quick,, grab everything and rip down as much sushi as my stomach can handle and I’m out the door with my check paid in 4 minutes flat.

If there was a system where everything was there for you to grab, you’d have all your time in line to figure out how to carry everything and by the time you got to the register, you wouldn’t have to wait a senatorial term for the cashier to figure out that the popcorn you ordered is RIGHT BEHIND her.

by Brainumbc on Jul 28, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

These arenas can’t be perfectly clean all the time you know. There’s room for improvement but at some point they need to take a

concessions stand.

by Icebat on Jul 28, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t mind a few boogers or mice turds every now and then. I’ll TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!

by Brainumbc on Jul 28, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this where David Caruso puts on his sunglasses and Roger Daltrey yells into the microphone?

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

The club-level food is light-years better than the regular food.

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by boutros23 on Jul 29, 2010 7:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea… last I saw you guys had a pit beef stand…

. assholes

by Brainumbc on Jul 29, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I just sat there once. I don’t like sitting there, but the food is truly way, way better.

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by boutros23 on Jul 29, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Believe me, I’ve noticed while peering down from my first row seat in the 400’s…doesn’t mean much though when us common folk can’t access it. (and 100% violations means that they still need cleaned up a bit as well!)

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 29, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a 400-leveler, too. And I envy your first row seat.

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by boutros23 on Jul 29, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m generally a nosebleed, very last row back against the wall, next to the pearly white gates to heaven-er

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by Brainumbc on Jul 29, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of which… how hard is it to throw your hat on the ice from 400 level? Do they generally make it all the way down or does it require a hop or two?

by Brainumbc on Jul 29, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I sit in the 400’s. and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a hat make it from my area to the ice.

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by timmyv38 on Jul 29, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even from 1st row, it’s near impossible. It’s not even the distance so much as the fact that there seems to be a draft that just prevents it from really getting airborn at all. I’ve attempted to toss a few, and they all never even clear the club level (and yes, I have a halfway decent arm). With a good toss, the 100 level would probably be possible, but I don’t see how anyone could hit the ice from up there.

Even so, however, every hat I’ve thrown has eventually made it to the ice with a little help from those below me!

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 29, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ive been to 20-30 caps games in my lifetime and never witnesses a hat trick :(

by Brainumbc on Jul 29, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed Ov’s against the Pens the best of the ones I’ve seen. The whole make them stop throwing the hats episode was pure bonus.

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by Steve-R on Jul 29, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

23 Years in Food Service and this is Bull

I just recently changed my job after 23 years in the food industry. In those 23 years I have worked in free standing restaurants(opened 2 of them from ground up), large 5 star hotels both in cities and exotic travel stops, high end in flight catering, large volume food service operation and also last but not least event services just like the company that has the contract for the phone booth. Just so everyone knows, a box of soda syrup costs about $106 which works out to about 3 cents for a 32 ounce cup, add the cost of the cup(if they are bought in bulk they work out about 7 cents apiece), throw in a 9% cost for labor, and lets be generous and say another 10 cents to cover ice and straw – total soda cost is about 21 cents, so let’s say double it because its DC and round it out so we are at 50 cents. Last season we paid $5.50 for a large soda. So in case you missed it that a $5 mark up. I like many others know that you are being ripped off when you go to a game but it is like a huge slap in the face to be told about all of these health issues as well. I can state for fact, if it was a free standing restaurant with that many health code violations it would be closed and the owners in court. While this is not Teds fault as Aramark holds the contract there I believe, it is now on Ted to kick their ass and fix this or kick their ass out on the street.

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by Feds91 on Jul 29, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I can only image the cost of the lease for the space is ridiculous, so that has to figure into the mark up. I’m not saying it fully justifies it (I have no idea), but it does have to be considered.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 29, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think their prices at that much more ridiculous than a movie theater. Not to say the aren’t ridiculous but I dont think you can go to any sporting venue in America without expecting your wallet to get raped so that’s not the biggest concern for me

It’s the abominably slow service that I think is the most annoying out of everything.

I think I remember days back at the Caps center where you’d have vendors running around with beer and food and they would come to you. Whatever happened to those days? Too much liability to have a dude dragging food and beverages up a bunch of steep steps?

by Brainumbc on Jul 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sit in the middle of a row in the 400s at VC, and I’ve sat in end seats at Nats Park. While vendors coming to the stands is convenient, I don’t miss trying to pass beer and money back and forth while there’s action on the ice.

by miseenjeu on Jul 31, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used to work at a food court in a mall back in the early nineties and I know that the owner used to pay around $6K monthly for our small space so I can only imagine how high the rents are for concession stands in sporting venues like VC. Also keep in mind that while profit margin on fountain soda is typically high that is not the case for other items like meat and cheese (depending on the quality, of course), napkins are expensive too, those ketchup and mustard packages aren’t cheap either and then you have equipment expenses and the cost of maintain them and I believe you also have to pay for your own water, electricity, etc.

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by CapsFan2020 on Jul 30, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really the mark up is not there in meat and cheese, take it from me it is. Prices are ALWAYS set to include a GOOD % for the profit line no matter where or who it is, I can assure you. Yes soda is a high profit product as is the draft beer you get raped for as well. As for napkins ………….. are you serious $147 for a case of 10,000 each, ketchup, mustard packets are just as cheap because what you have forgotten is large companies have huge purchase plan with brand names and wholesalers so they get a BIG price break as they are national accounts. This is not a same food court operation the equipment is there and no matter who operates it, it probably belongs to Vz Center and they have to maintain it. And you point about utilities, REALLY, do you go into Mickey D’s next door and get raped like this bacause they have to pay for water like you and I do at home. But NONE of this explain RAT & MOUSE TURDS …………. like said ………. one thing to get robbed but its a total slap in the face to now see that the food service areas are dirtier than a toilet. NO EXCUSE as they make more than enough money to make sure the pace is clean and kept clean.

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by Feds91 on Aug 3, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would temper this a touch

I applaud your effort and hope Uncle Ted is able to improve things, but I would suggest a few comments and counterpoints…

A) First off I won’t argue the first point… Agreed that things could be MUCH better.

B) I’m not sure the inefficiency you list exists everywhere. I have seats in 101 and the concession stand out in front of our section is actually pretty quick (and they already employ several of the thoughts you have – they get the next customers order while someone else retrieves yours, they have dedicated staff on drinks and other key food areas, the staff is quite friendly despite the mad rush of people). Hopefully that can be replicated elsewhere in the arena.

C) While I think that the vendors can do a lot to improve the food, there is a ceiling on how good food made in an extremely small area (most of it pre-cooked by necessity) for a HUGE number of people can be. Certain food is always (to some degree) going to suck based on the limitations of an arena environment.

D) Beer vendors in the hallways was becoming a regular thing towards the end of last season and it was improving things A LOT.

E) I would add that while the idea of a pre-loaded smartcard is a great one. It’s also one that comes with a big price-tag and necessitates agreement across all vendors (which isn’t likely until the contracts are up).

F) What IS something that should be able to be done in the short-term is to pressure the vendors to accepting credit cards without the need for a signature. That seems silly and antiquated in this day and age (especially when considering few places could benefit from a speedy transaction more than a sports arena).

Thanks for bringing this up, Uncle Ted takes criticism not laced with emotion and hostility much more seriously, so I’d bet this post was well considered.

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by Chris meet Alex on Jul 29, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

In response to (F), they actually do that already, but only for purchases under $25 (I think…I know there is a threshold). I’m not sure they have much control over that as I think they’re bound by some regulations there.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jul 30, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the number is $25. I saw a sign to that effect last night at a local sandwich shop, and heard that number when I bought a gift card at a book store.

by miseenjeu on Jul 31, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that’s true, that tells you how it’s damned near impossible to walk away from a concession stand for less than $25 since I don’t think I’ve EVER not signed (and been aggravated each time).

I don’t know about regulations regarding that, but I have dealt with merchant accounts and credit cards before, and there’s always the balance being struck between risk, cost and convenience when it comes to credit card purchases. (classic case of the triangle diagram with each of those in a corner and the idea that you can have any two of the three)

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by Chris meet Alex on Aug 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indoor Arenas

I have never been to an indoor arena that has had good food, or a football arena for that matter. I feel like the entire “fan experience” thing is something that has been isolated in baseball for awhile and if it moves to other sports it would be great. The Club level at Verizon Center has always had pretty good food and I don’t see why they can’t just offer that food on the other levels. i can also somewhat understand the high prices at most sporting events as they have to pay the employes, city taxes, rent, the catering company, and probably some fee that goes to the NHL, MLB, NBA, or NFL. Food is the cornerstone of the fan experience and indoor arenas don’t really have much else to offer. At baseball games I can walk around and still see the game, but indoor arenas are at a bit of a disadvantage which makes getting the food right even more important.

by David Huzzard on Aug 3, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Pit Beef on the 400 level is all we ask :)

by Brainumbc on Aug 3, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome

I really can’t remember the last time I actually ate in the Verizon Center. I actually sometimes look forward to stuff like Max’s Deli at the Nats games, but I really just think the food at Verizon Center has always been bad. Also the neighborhood around our ballpark isn’t all that great while Gallery Place has always had Chinatown and now has even more stuff. My favorite neighborhoods around sports complexes are probably Wrigleyville, Gaslamp District, Gallery Place/Chinatown, Inner Harbor, and Strip District/Market Square.

by David Huzzard on Aug 3, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

there’s a beef brisket stand alone stand by section 429ish. Actually, it’s pretty good. Plus, Utz Kettle Chips, or “crack disguised as potato chips”

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by RedBirdie on Aug 3, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about a better idea. A sushi conveyer belt that circles the entire 400 section

by Brainumbc on Aug 4, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I second it.

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by timmyv38 on Aug 4, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

At Nats Park, we’re allowed to openly bring food and water into the park. I think that forces concession stands to (at least attempt to) offer better food, since the crowd isn’t a captive audience. Also, for the concession stands that are outposts of local restaurants, (Ben’s Chili Bowl and Hard Times Cafe, for example) I think the restaurants want to make sure that what’s sold at the ballpark is up to their usual standards. The hot dogs at Verizon are generic — there’s no Ben’s or Hard Times putting their name or reputation on the line for chili dogs.

by miseenjeu on Aug 7, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

At Nats Park, we’re allowed to openly bring food and water into the park.

wow.. never heard of that before

by Brainumbc on Aug 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, pretty common practice at most of the baseball parks I’ve been to. You can bring in food and non-alcoholic beverages, as long as they’re in sealed containers. Really great policy for families with kids who don’t want to have to spend $500 feeding them.

At Orioles games, I often will buy a hot dog (or 3) from one of the street vendors, and carry ’em right in.

Obviously, beer sales are their lifeline when it comes to concession sales.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Aug 9, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the Nationals Park A – Z Guide

Outside Food And Beverage
    All food items must be contained in single serving bags within a soft-sided container or cooler that does not exceed 16″ × 16″ × 8″. Metal, plastic or glass containers of any kind (except for factory-sealed, clear plastic water bottles, no larger than 1 liter, baby food, empty Nalgene bottles and juice boxes) are prohibited at Nationals Park. Only one bottle of water per person will be permitted. See GUEST CONDUCT POLICY (Prohibited items).

Nats Park gate staff will bend a little on opening the bottles of water, especially when it’s this warm, but they don’t allow other beverages. But I normally bring in a roll up or sandwich, some fruit and some chips, along with my water.

by miseenjeu on Aug 9, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I've only been around 5 years, but from what I've learned...

Doesn’t seem like that long, but I’ve hit almost every major sector of the industry in that time – quick-service, all-you-care-to-eat, retail, and concessions. I thought I might be able to shed a little light on the concessions industry, seeing as how I may or may not work for the Company.
The Health Violations: Without reading the entire health report, I can’t say for sure exactly what is wrong or needs to be improved, besides the mouse droppings. What I can tell you is this: as food service employees & managers we can only do so much. My guess is that while the food service on the 100 & 400 levels are maintained by Aramark, they outsource pest control to a company like Steritech or EcoLab. (Club level food is run by Levy, which might explain the differences between quality of food there) Aramark employees should be cleaning up the mouse droppings, but it is the pest control company’s responsibility to ensure there are no actual pests. If you’ve ever had pests in your home, you know that, while difficult, its actually pretty simple. You have to identify where they are entering and fix it, remove their food sources, remove the actual pest, then treat to prevent it from happening again. The scope of the Verizon Center is what makes it difficult to keep pest free. I’d also like to see a list of every stadium that has been open for more than 3 years that doesn’t have mice or roaches. I’m willing to bet I could fit them all on a Post-It without even trying to squeeze them in.
But health violations can come from something as seemingly simple as leaving the scoop in the popcorn, having a damp towel on a counter, or not having a label on something. To be honest, I’m more concerned with the damp towel (which can breed listeria) than the mouse poop.
1. Long Lines/Slow Service & Volunteers
I’m going to touch on both the long lines/slow service and the volunteers at the same time, because they are linked.
The monthly employee turnover in the food-service industry is, on average, the highest in the US at around 50%. That means that for every two employees I have working on given day, one of them will leave, whether voluntary or not, within a month. These employees are, if my account is any standard, making minimum or close to minimum wage. Combine that with long, late hours, being on your feet for 90% of your shift and physical labor, and we’re not exactly working with the cream of the crop. To succeed in this industry, you either have to absolutely love it or have a high tolerance for bulls***, of any variety. To work in this industry, you need to have a pulse and above comatose brain activity. That’s about it. Most of my employees work the food-service industry because they have little training or education for anything else. This isn’t a career for them, its how they are paying their rent. Keeping your employees motivated to work more efficiently is something a manager struggles with every day. That said, I don’t understand why VC doesn’t employ the "assembly line" process I’m used to and you suggested. Its standard at every concessions stand I’ve worked.
As far as volunteers go, yes, they are a way for us to control labor, by paying them a 10% commission on their sales, we drop our labor below the 30% of sales it would cost us to staff each stand with our own employees. Yes, it pretty much guarantees crap service for our guests, which I hated. I’d love to spend buckets of time and money training and retaining top-notch staff that loves their job, but I’m lucky if I get one in ten employees that actually love their job and want to be trained. Granted, when I was in concessions I was working college football and basketball, not pro hockey, but management and supervisors were there at least 6 hours prior to kick-off, 4 hours before tip-off. We considered ourselves lucky if we got out 2 hours after the game ended. Football game days were a 12-hour shift, at minimum. Our volunteer groups were there 3 and 2 hours before. Everything in the stands has to be inventoried by the group, because they are held accountable for that stand. They get credit for what they sell and docked for what disappears unaccounted for. I’ve worked with groups that have their stuff together, know what they’re doing and allowed me to watch the game periodically. I’ve had groups where I ended up running their stand because they were understaffed, disinterested, incompetent or just plain stupid. You make do with what you have and try to keep the ship from sinking. When you have events, at the max, every two days, if not daily, your time for training is minimal, especially in a sector that is open year-round, unlike colleges, where I am now. It’s a fact of life in the industry.
Extra carts in the concourse may help, but at some point, they are a hazard that the fire marshall will become very interested in.

2. Prices & Food Quality
Prices are generally agreed upon by the vendor (Aramark) and the client (the Verizon Center, aka Monumental). When Aramark is figuring pricing, several things go into it. 1) Client percentage – the cut they have to give Monumental before paying anything out to suppliers, averages 7.5-15%. 2) Food cost – varies by sector, but typical concessions run around 20%. 3) Labor cost – volunteers decrease this, but typically, you’re looking at another 20-25%. 4) Fixed cost – I’m not sure what this would be for the VC, because I don’t know their contract, but it could be as much as another 20%. If it’s the cost of beer & alcohol you’re figuring, don’t forget to pay your local ABC. Profit for Aramark is around 20%, depending on the product mix that night. Sodas are a very low cost item and where they make the most money because of the low COGS. Bottom line, yes, prices are pretty steep, but they’re not going to get much cheaper, regardless of who’s running the show.
Food quality also comes down to inexperienced staff. It took at least 3 football games for me to be able to pick up on the trends of how the game affected our sales. That cold hot dog on the stale bun during the second intermission? Was probably cooked not long after puck drop and put into the warming drawer. Then, right before the first intermission, more hot dogs were cooked for the rush and dumped on top of that hot dog. By the time you buy it during the second, its been rediscovered like some Mezazoic fossil and sold to you without a blink because the staff doesn’t realize its that old. Running good concessions is all about timing and with staff turnover and volunteers, its hard to instill that timing into them. Hopefully, Ted is willing to push Aramark to higher standards. And if not, well, my contract with this account is up in a year, I’d be willing to take a crack at it. ;D
As far as food not being up to health department standards, well, check any restaurants ratings on the Health Departments website. Most of your favorite places will have gotten a warning for something.
For answers to a few other comments:
Regulations say a signature for purchases under $25 is no longer required, but many companies still request them. CYA and all.
For those saying how horrible Aramark’s college dining is – two of the top 5 Princeton Review schools for food in 2009 were Aramark accounts, #1 Wheaton and #5 James Madison. I’m not saying they’re the best, but they can be good. I know VT is self-operated.
I have been to RBC and like their concessions. They are self-op as well. Having said that, I rarely eat at stadium concession stands. If I want something, I’ll buy a beer and a pretzel. Its probably a function of not living in the DC area and not being a STH, because going to games is an experience for me, so I go downtown early and eat somewhere nearby. If I want a hot dog, I’ll eat one at home.

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by jmu.capsgirl on Aug 7, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

I think I at least tried to touch on the fact that I think changes to the system of distribution would be the best way to improve speed/service at the stands. I do understand that there is little to motivate the employees to “care more” about the level of service they are providing, but small changes in how the individual concession stands operate could have drastic effects on the speed at which orders are processed…with no real extra effort on the part of the employee working there.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Aug 9, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and great insider insight as well — thanks for taking the time to provide such lengthy reply!

For the most part, I know what to expect when I order stadium food, and I’ll continue to order it when I go to games (as if I have much of a choice). It just seems like this is one area of the food industry that is very un-motivated to improve upon the customer’s experience, primarily because they’re in a position to be the “only game in town” — lack of competition can definitely breed laziness when it comes to service. My one crucial point was, of course, that the faster you can get people through lines, the more people you can serve, and that only means more money to be made; so it should appear to be a win-win situation.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Aug 9, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this thorough and thoughtful post, from an insider’s perspective.

by miseenjeu on Aug 8, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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