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Sigh. I’d rather see Semin go to the KHL than go to another NHL team.

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by Jake Shapiro on Jul 20, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Happy Birthday Terry Murray.

When I was 12 years old, my Dad took me to a Caps-Leafs game at the old Maple Leaf Gardens. Before game we were standing in the lobby and I noticed a man standing on his own near the corner. I told my Dad I would be back and took my program over to him to sign it. It was Terry Murray who was ass’t coach for the Caps under his brother at the time. My dad always wondered how I could recognize a guy who was the ass’t coach for the Caps. My answer was something like that he did kinda look like his brother.

Caps won by the way. Locker scored a couple if I recall correctly.

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by Rather Bengt on Jul 20, 2010 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

And I remember seeing Sportscenter the night Terry got canned and Schoenfeld was behind the bench. It just looked…wrong. A Caps team without a Murray behind the bench? Weird.

by bilspacecadet on Jul 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’d lost the team, as I seem to recall. They were playing like crap, anyway.

I think Bondra actually got into a fight that first night, which showed me a little something. I think Bonzai had to actually chase the guy for a few steps before his opponent figured out that he wanted to fight.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did the Caps re-sign Joudrey or just the Bears?

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by gotsparkly on Jul 20, 2010 7:46 AM EDT reply actions  

The Caps did.

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I thought, just checking since last season he had a bears-only contract. Danke.

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by gotsparkly on Jul 20, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read this as the Caps re-signed the Bears.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, Terry Murray coached 325 games in just over 1 year? Impressive :D

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by capsfan4life on Jul 20, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

There’s nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others, is there?

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a parlor game here, don’t you know that?

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 20, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did put a smiley. I think when you put a smiley it means you’re trying not to be a dick about it.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is a sign of weakness.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Niemi...
However, it still might come down to the arbitration hearing and what Niemi gets awarded. If the money is too much, the Hawks can walk away from the ruling and Niemi becomes an unrestricted free agent, likely to be pursued in that event by a number of teams including San Jose and Washington.

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umm, no.

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by ns on Jul 20, 2010 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Theo to Chicago in the event that happens?

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by Ovechwin on Jul 20, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why in the hell would we want him? Just because?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because the Caps’ goaltending is unproven, so they’d need an well-established vet like… wait a minute…

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bit of a head-scratcher.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because for some unknown reason, a lot of hockey writers think the Caps aren’t already set in their goaltending. One site said the Caps would be pursuing Turco and Nabokov in free agency – despite the fact we had just let go of a goalie who was paid less and outperformed them….

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much any goalie being mentioned is being pursued by the Caps. Is there some sort of decent soccer blog on SBNation? I bet there are stories to be found with the Caps pursuing Iker Casillas. He’s a proven vet who has won a Cup — the only criteria in reporters minds of who the Capitals are after.

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by sydtron on Jul 20, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Niemi has more playoff wins than all Caps goaltenders combined since the lockout.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like that stat better.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Total win.

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semyon Varlamov has won as many games.

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by ThePeerless on Jul 20, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also has Joel Quenneville.

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

We used to have Joel Quenneville….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joel Quennville causes irrational rage in me.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Campbell totally had a broken collarbone!

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

glad to see the whole “OMG!! WASHINGTON NEEDS A GOALIE!!!!!!” meme survived the Ilya Kovalchuk hostage crisis.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s my favorite meme.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You like it better than “Ovechkin is dirty and Sid is better!!!!” ?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

CREASE CLEARING DEFENSEMANNN!! SHCULTZ DOESN’T HIT!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is my favorite, or TEH CAPS HAVE NO DEFENSE!

by reesem37 on Jul 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green is a WINGAH!!

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by Doncosmic on Jul 20, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw this on the Kovalchuk contract:

Kovalchuk, in his prime at 27, will earn $6 million in each of the first two seasons. But then he will earn $11.5 million each of the next FIVE seasons. Then his salary goes to $10.5 million for one year, followed by seasons of $8.5 million, $6.5 million, $3.5 million and $750,000. The last five seasons he’s scheduled to be paid $550,000 each. He will be 40 then.

Good luck NJ on Parise’s contract next summer. Sure, he’s still RFA then, but only for one more year.

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 20, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s such a ridiculous contract.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Did you see the article on On the Forecheck about how to close that CBA loophole?

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by gotsparkly on Jul 20, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

link?

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Jul 20, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the link.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

great stuff

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Jul 20, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, you beat me to it.

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by gotsparkly on Jul 20, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’ll be able to sign Parise, no problem. There’s no chance in hell Lou chose Kovalchuk over Parise. And since the cap hit is reasonable on Kovalchuk, I really don’t see this being the huge problem for NJD that some seem to think it is (other than actually paying out the salaries, of course).

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Understood, from following the earlier points. Granted, I don’t know anything about Parise as an individual, but that article talked about LA being concerned about the Doughty negotiations because of the $11.5 million years, so I would think Parise’s agent will look at that, too. I’m not saying they can’t sign him, but it will be a big deal. And I see that he’s getting $5 million in salary this year, which is higher than his cap hit, so I’m assuming all else being equal, the next contract was already going to be pricey.

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 20, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why they need to move contracts, immediately.

The Rolston and Zubrus signings are really biting them now.

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by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I keep looking at capgeek to figure out who they’re going to move, and I just get a headache. It seems to me that the best candidates have no-trade clauses, so they’d have to twist some arms. Or else pray that someone takes a lousy contract (overpriced with more than a year left on it) or two off their hands?

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 20, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they can find a team that needs to get to the Floor to take Zubrus?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zubie to Long Island!

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Lou has had no problems stashing them in the A…. and they have NTC and not NMCs..

by Vinn on Jul 20, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, Zubrus’ contract is not fabulous, but I don’t think it’s the dead weight some are making it out to be. And it’s in no way comparable to Rolston’s contract.

Zubrus’ 6 year deal was outrageous, more so IMO, because of the term rather than the cap hit and now there are only 3 years remaining so it’s a much more manageable contract. The cap hit isn’t fabulous but it’s manageable.

As a trade chip, he’s 32yo and has a 3 year contract with a cap hit of 3.4M and the salary stays the same each season. He has played well for NJ in the role he has been given and if not for the contract cap hit, I’m not even sure he’s someone the Devils would want to be trading right now.

And his injury last year was a fluke injury, painful, but fluke in terms of the severity and resultant number of games missed. Broken kneecap, ouch.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re going to have to do something though….they’re over the cap at the moment by a million 8.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one said they don’t have to do something. They need to move one (1) contract with a reasonable cap hit.

Rolston’s contract would be the one almost any outsider would look at and say get rid of it, but the other side of that equation is what team would take on that 35+ contract??? I doubt there is one with the second year left on that contract; for the last year perhaps things change.

Zubrus? Salvador?

I think Salvador ends up being odd guy out and has a contract that can be traded.

And as I believe you accounted for already in your number above, they do have some bonus cushion space to work with as Hedberg and Zharkov have some bonuses in their contracts.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bryce is the one who goes as well.

I believe F&B brought up the issue of their young guys who probably will be playing in the NHL this year. What about the guys coming behind them. Any idea what type of depth do the Devils have if they wind up having some significant injuries at the NHL level?

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bryce Salvador has been another name thrown around as well on the chopping block. He’s got two years left with 5.8 million total, though.

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by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

The scuttle I’ve seen suggests that they plan to waive Salvador (assuming they can’t trade him, which seems unlikely given the cap hit to performance ratio).

by Reckless on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point was for someone like Zubrus, the acquiring team has to be willing to take on three years, not one. A cap floor team (i.e. Islanders) needs payroll, but may also see cap hits coming next year or the year after, so they’re taking their time deciding who to trade for.

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 20, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about Langenbrunner — to the Caps. Maybe with Lemaire out of there he’s happy again but there was a period when all wasn’t well with him in NJ.

by Reckless on Jul 20, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice player, but the Caps don’t need wings; if he played center…

Also, fwiw he has a NTC.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez what a fail. Knew he played wing now but thought he had been a center. Problem not solved.

by Reckless on Jul 20, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

other than actually paying out the salaries, of course

That is the interesting part to me. They have always had issues with attendance even when winning Cups. When you are the 3rd team into a city and have less history some of that is to be expected. However, I have a friend (Devils fan) in Jersey who complains all the time about the poor job the Devils do in marketing the team. Basically, he says they do very little, if at all. For instance their development camp this week wasn’t open to the public.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of development camps aren’t open to the public. Caps fans are fortunate that the entirety of the on-ice portion is open to the public. For one example, the Wild’s camp, one scrimmage was open only to STHs and one to the public, but my understanding is the rest of the camp was closed.

Prices at the new arena are not exactly low, which is the norm. when a new arena opens up, and the club seats in terms of location and benefits are very good from what I have seen, but as a result are pricey.

Nothing new with the Devils and marketing and it fits with Lamoriello’s style. It has only been recently that they have had any marketing that focused on an individual player and even now it doesn’t happen very often. It’s about the team.

The owner gives the GM a budget and the GM works within that budget.

Also, the Caps weren’t exactly selling out when Ovechkin’s contract was finalized in January 2008.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the Caps weren’t exactly selling out when Ovechkin’s contract was finalized in January 2008.

The team had been poo poo for years. The Devils have been cosistently good every year since the early 90s (with one or two hiccups)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I gathered from sk84fun’s comment is that they haven’t really had a “star” like Ovie (then again, who is like Ovie?) in a while, though obviously they’ve got Parise now. And Marty.

by Vinn on Jul 20, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’ve had 3 first ballot HoFers on the team and won 3 Cups. They also had tons of other talent go through there. No excuse to say they haven’t had the star power.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope I wasn’t referring to not having a ‘star.’

And fwiw, even with the elite players they have had, in the past, Lamoriello wouldn’t market a ‘star’ like that, with the Devils, it’s about the team.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting to watch and see what does and does not change regarding that approach with this signing. I’d while I wasn’t referring to not having a “star”, there is a difference between the stars the NJD have had in the past and Kovalchuk in terms of the everyday non-diehard fan, a player like Kovalchuk is easier to market to the general public if they choose to go that route.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given what Lou said today I doubt anything changes.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t surprise me at all…as long as Lamoriello is with the Devils and fwiw, he recently signed an extension from what TG reported a few days or weeks ago.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So to be clear, I’m not saying Lamoriello didn’t want Kovalchuk back, I believe he did, but even with Lamoriello saying these contracts are legal under the CBA (and they are), I get the impression that handing out a 17 year contract wasn’t in his plans. Lamoriello and Vanderbeek are on the same page overall or there wouldn’t have recently been an extension.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vanderbeek made some comments today both during and after the press conference about the impact on sales and interest in the team already. Some changes had already started in marketing the last few seasons and listening to Vanderbeek I expect there will be more, although as long as Lamoriello is there, some of the marketing will be muted, it’s about the Devils not the individual players.

Still, it is definitely not Dr. John J. McMullen’s Devils anymore, although I believe his son is still involved in management.

Watching that press conf. video, new head coach John MacLean looks like a kid in a candy store talking about the offensive capabilities on the team.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point I was making was in the context of revenues vs salary, etc.

FWIW, the Devils attendance isn’t great, but I don’t believe it’s as horrible as some are making it out to be. When watching on television it doesn’t help that a good number of club seat patrons are standing up in the club area, eating and watching the game from there and not in their seats even if they are in the arena. And the upper level is usually packed.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The one time I was in The Rock it was a pretty good crowd. Not as packed as a Caps game, but a good crowd.

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by gotsparkly on Jul 20, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a team with the kind of record they’ve had over an extended period of time their attendance is low. Their failure to adequately develop a fanbase is really going to hurt when they go through a downturn.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Their failure to adequately develop a fanbase is really going to hurt when they go through a downturnwhen Brodeur is no longer there to keep them in games they should lose.

by b.orr4 on Jul 20, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Brodeur is done, Lamiorello is done. He is going to leave that team/franchise with Parise and Kovalchuk. And they will be in ruins. He LouLam has shown me nothing that makes me think he is an adequate post-lockout GM.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 20, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

LouLam has shown me nothing that makes me think he is an adequate post-lockout GM.

Agreed, Lou has been living off of Brodeur’s greatness for almost two decades. Last time I checked, Marty was 38 and the odds of him getting better or staying at the same level aren’t very good. Let’s see how much of a genius Lou is when Marty becomes ordinary or worse.

by b.orr4 on Jul 20, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

‘adequately develop a fanbase’?

It’s been pointed out and it’s not going to change overnight that the Devils are the redheaded stepchildren to the NYR and Philadelphia Flyers for long time hockey fans, but they are developing a fanbase and have been for some time.

It isn’t simple marketing that changes a person’s allegiance from one team to another. If you are born into a family that roots for the Rangers, you root for the Rangers in most cases. If you grow up wearing orange, you continue to wear orange.

Just because the Devils won in 1995 doesn’t mean an already existing hockey fan in NJ became a Devils fan. However, it was the start of converting a new group of people into fans for the future from youth hockey players to kids and adults that weren’t already aligned with the Rangers or Flyers.

The Devils have a core fanbase that isn’t all that different than the Caps core fanbase.

Also, for all the benefits of a new arena and the location to public transportation (trains), there were also the short-term downsides from becoming less accessible to a different portion of the fanbase located in Northern NJ and due to the steep increase in ticket costs with the move to the new arena.

I can’t compare it to all NHL markets, but the Devils contribute to youth hockey in the area and they have an active alumni association that participates in different activities around NJ.

There are huge flaws in their marketing of individual games and players, I’ve discussed it plenty with NJD fans and with people in NJ, but they do have a fanbase and I am always amused when Caps fans comment on fanbases in places like NJ. There are many long-term Devils fans that switched over in 1982, but there is a new generation of Devils fans with youth hockey players in the area that weren’t from hockey families and had a choice of a team to follow.

And similar to the Capitals efforts of a few years ago, the Devils do market to college students with special promotions trying to bring in new fans.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

My friend is very well connected hockey wise, so if he’s complaining I take it seriously. The alumni team you mentioned seems to do more than anything else. My friend has worked with them in the past. However, that doesn’t really penetrate into markets they need to go after to attract new fans.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am very familiar with NJ hockey, NHL hockey in the NY/NJ/PA region, the old and new NHL arenas in NJ, youth hockey, etc.

There is no questioning that the Devils could do more general marketing than they do; I already noted that above. I also believe they have done more in the last couple of years than they did in the past.

It doesn’t happen overnight that you develop a fanbase that will stick with a team through good and bad. And IMO, from what I have seen, the core fanbase in NJ isn’t much different than the core fanbase in DC. The two organizations have also gone through a lot of the same issues from an arena move to competing for fans that have allegiances to other teams. With the Devils it’s the NYR and Flyers, with the Caps it’s the team from wherever the person is from.

Bringing in new fans without those pre-existing allegiances and growing the fanbase is important, I agree with that point, but it takes time.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

As to your last point, trust me I understand given where I reside. However, normally winning speeds up that process and it didn’t much in Jersey. That should be a concern.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the Caps weren’t exactly selling out when Ovechkin’s contract was finalized in January 2008.

The Caps began selling out almost immediately after Ovechkin’s contract extension. Granted, part of that had to do with the team playing well for Boudreau the previous month and a half but I think it had a lot more to do with the commitment Ted and the team’s star player showed fans. I know a lot of Caps Fans who were convince the Caps wouldn’t be able to re-sign Ovie. That 13 year contract changed a lot.

Along those same lines, I know a lot of Suburban MD caps fans that stopped going to games once they team moved to Chinatown. I’m sure the Devils had a bit of that as well when they moved

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by EmilyB on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even so, with the success the Devils had had, you would expect a better job of marketing to happen. You would think fans would love winners, given that their success has been better than either the Rangers or Islanders.

Admittedly, fans in Long Island will be more interested in the Islanders, regardless. And fans in the city would be more interested in the Rangers.

But one would think the fans in Northern NJ to be interested in the Devils.

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by CapsFan75 on Jul 20, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Understood. Makes no sense to me. Not like you are hiding much by closing a development camp, unless you think other teams are going to outbid you on a free agent. D camps don’t involve as much tactics as training camps.

In any case, from what I’ve heard they do very little to market, even compared to the Isles and Rangers. And the Rangers draw well, so they should have less need to anyway.

Mentioning the Caps would make sense if they had been playing well for the better part of 2 decades like the Devils. They haven’t.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which also makes me wonder why Dirk Hoag referred to NJD as a big market team. Sure, they are in the NYC area, but they aren’t a big market team (contrary to MIN, who is treated as a small market team even though they can spend with just about anyone because their fan base supports them so well).

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s an interesting exercise in cash flow, too, with the way the payments are scheduled. It’s no coicindence that the first two years are at $6M. Those happen to be the last two years of the contract for Martin Brodeur at a $5.2M salary. Kovalchuk chews that up in year 3 of his deal, a virtual wash in terms of payments. All in all, one has to give it to Lou. This isn’t a bad deal in the context of his team. But he still has to move a contract…send Rolston to a club that needs to hit the cap floor?

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by ThePeerless on Jul 20, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saw the post below by JP on the 50 percent rule, too, and it leaves me with more respect for Lou in his ability to fit the pieces in a bigger picture.

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by ThePeerless on Jul 20, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

BtN noted the following with regard to Kovy’s contract:

The bottom line is that if Kovalchuk’s contract is significantly larger or over more years than Koivu’s, the Devils have made a mistake. They’ll get 2-3 wins a year from having Kovalchuk on the roster, but they’ll never get value from his spot.

The cap hit is about 18% lower than Koivu’s, but the term is about 140% longer…is it a wash? I think in the short term, the Devils benefit here. $6M on your cap for 40-some goals is a bargain. In 12 years, when there’s a $6M dead money anchor hitched to their cap, then they’ll feel some pain. Even if the cap increases 100% in that time frame, the dead money will hurt.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Devils benefit for 2-3 years, maybe come out even for a couple after that, but will be drastically overpaying for the majority of the contract.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree – he’ll be worth a $6m cap hit for a good long while.

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he learns to play defense, then he might be. But I don’t think he’ll stay as an elite goal scorer for more than 5 or 6 more years.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Teemu Selanne score 40 goals a couple seasons ago?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Oldest player to go back to back 40 goal seasons.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t see why Kovalchuk couldn’t do it.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll depend on how he adapts his game and who he is playing with. Selanne did it largely as a PPG machine, and Kovy definitely has that in him. But Selanne hasn’t been scoring off the rush with his amazing speed as much. If Kovy can adapt to losing a step I think he could do it.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Teemu really adjusted his game. I’m impressed with his positioning when I watch the Ducks play. He’s not speeding around, but he always seems to pick the right place to be in advance.

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you’ve gone from 2-3 years to 5 or 6, so there’s a start.

And he is 2/3 the cap hit Ovi is… I think he’s at least 2/3 as defensively responsible as AO, don’t you?

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, actually I don’t. Ovechkin had twice as many takeaways last season, and 3 more giveaways. He also throws many more hits.

And I did say originally “benefit for 2-3 years, maybe come out even for a couple after that”…. aka 5 years.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Takeaways and giveaways only represent a small part of defensive ability, and hits mean even less (if anything).

by David Getz on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that. But they indicate a willingness to play defense – which I haven’t seen from Kovalchuk.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

they indicate a willingness to play defense

Not really. They indicate a crappily tracked statistic that tells little if anything when comparing players on different teams.

To say that Ovechkin is more than 50% defensively responsible than any player is… well, something.

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

(“more than 50% more defensively responsible…”)

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it was any player aside from Kovalchuk, I wouldn’t. It’s more a reflection on Kovalchuk than anything else.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really care how we frame it, but when Ovie’s on the ice, the puck is in the opponent’s end a lot more often than for anyone else on the team. You can’t say the same of Kovalchuk.

He’s not defensively responsible in the same way that Marian Hossa is, but he definitely gets results that equate to defensive responsibility.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily. Afinogenov had about 50% more than Mike Richards, for example.

by David Getz on Jul 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Point taken. But Ovie, Kovalchuk, and Afingenov aren’t a type of player even similar to Richards.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ovie and Kovalchuk aren’t the same types of players, though. Ovie – prodigal power forward. Kovalchuk – prodigal star sniper. Admittedly, both could fill the the others role pretty easily, but they don’t really play the same game.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

But their styles are much more similar to each other than to Richards. Which is what I meant – sorry for the lack of clarity.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

There just aren’t any good ways to measure defensive ability when it comes to stats. And the point in question was actually defensive responsibility – which is slightly different from defensive ability.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not when he’s 44. It’s not that the team didn’t make the right deal – they did. It’s just a bullshit situation enabling them to do it. This kind of contract should be rejected.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the NHL’s version of NFL contracts that go out years, when both the club and the player know that there is no chance the full term of the deal will be implemented. Except in the NFL, they don’t have guaranteed contracts.

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by ThePeerless on Jul 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realize that – it’s still bullshit and intentionally structured to be a big “Fuck you” to the salary cap.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Kovy doesn’t retire. Maybe he just shows up, collects his checks, and enjoys the view from the press box.

Then there will be moaning and gnashing of teeth in Newark.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be willing to take a bet on that not happening.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you win, JP gets to quit blogging. If I win, Becca runs the site.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Man, JP hates this place.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he likes the place all right, it’s us he can’t stand.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hang on, if he retires the cap hit goes away.

No dead money anchor.

If he decides to hang around until he’s 39, they’ll be overpaying, but that’s about it.

Devils got a decent deal.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geez, I like Mikko Koivu, but this is over the top. The “11-dimensional chess” notion aside, I’m trying to get past the idea that while Koivu has improved over each of the last four seasons, the Wild have declined in each of them, too (48, 44, 40, 38 wins). Just like the the elites (Crosby and Ovechkin) the trick is in how the respective teams surround these players with talent. I suspect it will be easier (and the better bet) for the Devils to surround Kovalchuk with mid-tier talent and grinders than it will for Minnesota to surroung Koivu with finishers and other players who might excel in the individual dimensions that Koivu is good at en masse.

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by ThePeerless on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

How did what happened to Marty Erat’s contract not come into play here? Can somebody who knows the CBA explain that to me?

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by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty simple – a player’s salary can’t drop by more than 50% of the lower of his first two years’ salaries in any one year.

Erat’s salary in his first year was (I believe) $3.5m and ~$5m in Y2, so at no point during his deal could the salary drop more than $1.75m from one year to the next. It did. Therefore, it was voided.

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

(And Kovalchuk’s deal doesn’t run afoul here because he makes $6m in each of his first two seasons and his deal never drops by more than $3m from one year to the next.)

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Erat’s contract violated the “100 Percent Rule”

100 PERCENT RULE

Article 50.7: The difference between the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in the first two League Years of an SPC cannot exceed the amount of the lower of the two League Years. Thereafter, in all subsequent League Years of the SPC, (i) any increase in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed the amount of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if such amounts are the same, that same amount); and (ii) any decrease in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed 50 percent of the Player Salary and Bonuses of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if such amounts are the same, 50 percent of the same amount).

Example 1: An SPC provides for $2M in Year 1. The player can earn up to $4M in Year 2 and up to $6M in Year 3, but not less than $1M in Year 2 and not less than $500K in Year 3.

Example 2: An SPC provides for $1M in Year 1 and $2M in Year 2. The lower of these two amounts is $1M, so Year 3 cannot provide for more than $3M or less than $1.5M.

Example 3: An SPC provides for $1M in Year 1 and $1M in Year 2. The lower of these two amounts is $1M, so Year 3 cannot provide for more than $2M or less than $500K.

Example 4: An SPC provides for $750K in Year 1 and $1.1M in Year 2. The lower of these two amounts is $750K, so Year 3 cannot provide for more than $1.85M or less than $725K.

Example 5: An SPC provides for $2.5M in Year 1 and $1.5M in Year 2. The lower of these two amounts is $1.5M, so Year 3 cannot provide for more than $3M, nor less than $750K.

NOTE: this does not mean “change in salary is limited to 50% of the prior year’s salary” – it’s 50 percent of the lower of the first 2 years of an SPC. This means that a team cannot sign a player to a contract averaging $4 million per year by making the 1st year $16 million, and the other 4 years $1 million (or anything else that looks like this) – because it’s a violation of the 100 Percent Rule. It does mean that a team can sign a player to a contract averaging $4 million per year by structuring it as $8 million, $6 million, $4 million, $1 million, and $1 million.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha. Thanks, fellas.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that makes sense, he should totally be allowed to make 4.5M more than his cap for five straight years, followed by 5.5M more, 4.5M more, 2.5M more, 0.5M less, then retire happy at 39 costing the Devils a phantom AHL call-up for half a decade.

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s an under 35 contract, so no cap hit if he retires.

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 20, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, right. Forgot – thank you. =)

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m curious what a buyout would look like if they chose to do so in the next couple years. Simply as a comedic exercise.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 20, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, that is hilarious. Much appreciated, J.P.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 20, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

2035-2036: $2,000,000

And Bobby Bonilla says “man, I thought I got payouts for a long time. And you still have eight of these to go?”

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by Gould Old Days on Jul 20, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

When that buyout ends i’d be 60 years old.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone (Marek I think, but I can’t find it) tweeted last night that Seguin will be 53.

And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.

by Bald Pollack on Jul 20, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

100th anniversary of D-Day.

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by ThePeerless on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

And The Bulge.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

You be nice to us old folks…. when that buyout ends, I’ll be 81 years old, or not….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kovy’s deal was at least savvy. The Mets long terms payouts to Bonilla seem crazy, at least on the surface. Then again the initial deal was crazy anyways. I’d love to see numbers on the difference between them paying him off all and once versus what they actually did. I’m guessing the difference would be somewhat staggering.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they only owed him like 5.9 million.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct. They now owe him over 29.8 million dollars.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Got that bad boy deferred at like 8% interest. Steve Phillips is a genius.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just ask Brooke Hundley.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

keep in mind, when the mets agreed to that deal, they had their money invested with madoff. probably raking in 16% returns, so paying bobby bo 8% or whatever seemed like a great deal.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 20, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,I said this in another thread, but there was absolutely nothing crazy about the Bonilla buyout when it was made. It was a simple calculation of a deferred annuity using an interest rate that was actually below-prime.

by Ginga on Jul 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the interest rate spread at the time between 8% and the prime rate? If you compound the difference for the life of the deal do the Mets save money?

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wooooooow.

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by gotsparkly on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, that's a good deal, how can I get that?

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I might have made a post on another blog saying that Yashin might be worth a waiver if he’d take a one year 2-3 million dollar contract to play on the second line with a clause that if he fucking ruins shit we can send him to Omsk.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I picked the wrong career.

by reesem37 on Jul 20, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Just a heads up to anybody (like me until 5 minutes ago) who plans on going to the Blood Drive, its NOT at Kettler like it always has been. This year its at Dulles Donor Center at 45745 Nokes Boulevard in Dulles, Virginia.

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Which is NOT the same as the airport. It’s behind Dulles Town Center. Route 7 West to City Center Boulevard (if you get to Rt. 28, you’ve gone too far), turn left… go four blocks (you’ll see Dulles Town Center on your right) to Nokes Blvd., turn left… a half block on your right in a strip office center.

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by ThePeerless on Jul 20, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet. And I mis typed above. I still plan on donating, but assumed it was at Kettler like it had been the last couple seasons

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Putting “Langway 5” (among other things) on the current uniform is wrong. Just wrong. [eBay (h/t @HockeyJoePHT)]

I’d be more up in arms about this if it were possible to get a real vintage Caps jersey out there. Nobody’s making them with real letters instead of a patch. I still haven’t found a good way to get a decent looking Bob Gould jersey. Perhaps the winter classic unveiling will help.

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by Gould Old Days on Jul 20, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve seen at least one “Langway 5” on the current uniform at the VC.

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by boutros23 on Jul 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This doesn’t bother me and I don’t understand why it really gets under anybody’s skin as much as it does.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’d be like taking a Bedazzler to a replica of the Mona Lisa.

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No worse than changing out the actual banners raised in the VC for color-coordinated banners.

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by EmilyB on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

… which was also wrong, IMO.

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh did that make me angry.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I was getting at.

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by EmilyB on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, that example only helps if you find someone that approves of the one and not the other…I assume most that don’t like the jerseys like that also don’t like the banner changes.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very much so.

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by gfcaps fan on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

New Puck Daddy post is up on Hawks cap situation. Bowman claims they won’t trade Sharp. So who can they realistically trade to get under the cap after either signing Niemi or a FA goalie? I agree with PD, no way someone is taking Campbell.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Both the Hawks and the Devils have done what the Flyers did – backed themselves into a corner. They HAVE to get rid of contract,and don’t have much leverage. I think each will have to get rid of at least 1 layer they don’t want to, unless they push a few guys down to the AHL.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does this mean for the Caps, though? Is there anyone among the possible salary dumps that might be a good fit with the Caps, that we might go after at a bargain price?

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by gotsparkly on Jul 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah, there are guys on both teams that it would be awfully nice to have…but could we get them? I’m doubtful.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they aren’t going to trade Sharp then I don’t see anyone the Caps would want being available from the Hawks.

As for the Devils, I don’t see the Caps needing a guy like Salvador.

Others we’d all love to have, but they aren’t getting dealt most likely.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take Parise but there’s no way in hell they move him (and we’d have to dump Sasha first), and I’d take Zajac but there’s no way the Caps take on a center w/ multiple years left on his deal.

The rest of that team…meh.

by Becca H on Jul 20, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bolland from Chicago would be nice. Also Seabrook. I highly doubt the ’Hawks would keep Sharp and give up those guys, of course.

Zajac would, I think, be a great acquisition. Slot him in at 2C (and his $3.8M cap hit) while Mackan and MP refine their games in the 3C role. Zero chance NJD get rid of him, of course, but I’d love to have him.

Would also take Andy Greene off the Devils. He won’t be traded.

So, while there are players I’d like to have on those clubs, there’s not any real chance of getting them.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I’d want Bolland. He’s signed for 4 more years.

If we are dreaming I’d love Toews.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frak, yes. But I was leaving the truly ludicrous options off the table.

I’d take Bolland. He’s a stretch at 2C but he’d be a great 3C, and he’d be a bonus on the PK. While we have some prospects in the C slot, there’s a lot of uncertainty surrounding them. Bolland would provide some certainty at C while we see if Mackan is the 2C of the future.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bolland is kind of expensive for a 3C though.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. It’d be bye-bye to Semin for sure, but I’d take the trade off.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not me. A 3C versus a skilled winger who has top line talent. Even with Semin’s inconsistency he’s more useful in my mind.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 3C who skates, kills, forechecks, puts up decent offensive numbers and can put a stay with Malkin/Crosby (I think) versus Semin’s 30 – 40 goals?

I’d go with Bolland, but that’s just me.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 3C who skates, kills, forechecks, puts up decent offensive numbers and can put a stay with Malkin/Crosby (I think)

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bolland would probably rival Staal as the best 3C in the EC…Legwand…well, he’s another option, let’s say.

And I’m pretty sure we could keep Sasha for this year, but going forward he’d have to be jettisoned.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was snarking, mostly. Legwand is exactly what you described above and quoted – he’s just not Bolland.

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take Dave Legwand if for the great hockey name alone!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Among CHI centers

During the regular season Bolland faced easy competition with good teammates (Corsi, not +/- based) and had the worst Fenwick on the team, if my quick math is correct. In the playoffs, Bolland got absolutely murdered in Corsi and yet somehow came out on top. Whether that’s luck or skill I don’t know, but I’d think more of the former.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bolland got absolutely destroyed in scoring chances against Philly’s top lines and against the HTML in the SJS series. I’m not banking on him stopping Crosby and Malkin.

He’s a decent 3C, but he’s not as good as Jordan Staal is and he’s damn sure not Hank Zetterberg or Pavel Datsyuk (The only centers I’ve seen really put the clamps on Crosby and even then, they had Lidstrom’s help).

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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 20, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bolland is signed for a few years and Semin is gone after this year anyway. It’s not like Bolland is going to force Semin out.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe in Andy Greene yet.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about his brother Mike?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I met heem.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Mean Joe?

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by Rather Bengt on Jul 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Young, cheap, and an upgrade on Sloskine (at the very least).

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’d take him for that. Unfortunately, I don’t see the team doing anything about ol’ Sloskey.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking that what we see is what we ultimately get with regard to this roster.

In other words, a self-professed contender going into the season with two rookie D and two rookie C’s. Eeks.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget the two close-to-rookie G’s!

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by SmallZ827 on Jul 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fingers crossed on the TWO rookie C’s!

Maybe they’ll dump Erskine a little ways into the season in favor of Patrick McNeill or something. I will hold out hope.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it’s not Mackan and MP at C, then it’s Flash at 2C and one of the two at 3C.

Neat, huh?

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bolland is likely to be the odd man out in CHI, unless they really don’t feel strongly about Niemi. I don’t like his contract, though.

by grapejoos on Jul 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting; I’d think Zajac is worth the term.

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think her point was that we have some good young centers coming up soon and we wouldn’t want to block their path.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d counter that you can dump MP85, put Mackan at 3C, and ride out Zajac’s deal. Backstrom/Zajac/Mackan is a helluva center corps.

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree, but I think I’d rather have MP in there while Marky Marc figures out North American hockey.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rather have MP than Zajac?

I know your position in the lobby requires some level of devotion to a prospect, but this might be above and beyond the call.

At the end of the day, though, it ain’t happening. The Devils have 3 centers and Zubrus; they’re not going to get rid of Zajac. Period.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zajac is their only legit top-6 center, too. At least one who isn’t old.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’d rather have MP than Johansson (who would be in the minors) if we should ever get a Zajac.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I see it as Mackan has higher defensive upside, so I’d rather him at 3C. At least once the Caps can’t ice two top-6 wingers on the third line.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upside sure, but is he better in the NHL right now than Perreault would be?

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I’ll have to wait until training camp to see, really.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rather have MP than Zajac?

I’ll do you one further – I’d trade both of them plus another medium-value asset for Zajac. He doesn’t get enough credit for being an absolute beast on defense and he’s still RFA on a decent contract for a few years.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 20, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re saying you would trade both MP and Mackan and another asset for Zajac? That’s a significant overpayment, IMO.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I value Zajac very highly – he’s proven he can produce offensively and defensively, is still very young and cost controlled for the next few years. He can play 2C right now and has been playing 1C for Jersey. Is he Backstrom? No. But I’m not convinced MP pans out (I want him to, I love his game). If Mackan becomes the player Zajac is right now, I’d be ecstatic.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 20, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m more concerned that he’s already lost his most cost-efficient seasons. We’d pay a lot to get him and while he is cost controlled, he’s not a huge bargain and as soon as we have to re-sign him he’d probably not be a bargain at all. He’s going to be UFA so that means we have 3 years of him and then a huge raise. He goes UFA one season after we have to re-sign Carlson and Green so that makes it extremely unlikely that we keep him, and having 3.8 on the books when we need to re-sign those two D is going to impact what we can do with their contracts. 3.8 isn’t terrible, and I like Zajac as a player, but really we only need what he brings this year; by his 3rd year we’ll have more cost-effective Cs ready from within.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats fine, but the point remains the same – in the theoretical world where you acquire Zajac, MP has to go at some point, assuming that you believe MJ has better potential.

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with you.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bolland, Seabrook and Sharp definitely seem like the most realistic options to be moved. Campbell’s contracts is nearly untradeable; Chcago doesn’t want to get rid of Kane, Toews, or Seabrook, and Hjalmarsson can’t be traded this year. They could try to trade away Kopecky, Brouwer and Reasoner, but even if you replaced those three with league minimum guys, they would only clear 2 million or so in cap space. Everyone else is either a league-minimum guy or slightly above.

But I think Marian Hossa has an outside shot at being sent away. And in return, you might even see a top-six winger and a D-man come back. He doesn’t have a no-trade clause, and there are probably a number of teams out there who would be interested in his services at that cap hit.

by Wheeler on Jul 20, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they signed Hossa to be a part of their core. Even if they are willing to move him, they are in the same spot as PHI where they are over the cap and won’t get close to fair value. They should do better than PHI did with Gagne, but they aren’t going to make a killing.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moving that contract would be very tough. The Gagne return really surprised me. Sure he has some injury concerns but there’s only one year left on his contract and he’s a productive player. Maybe it was the NTC that limited the return but getting nothing for him was really a surprise.

by Reckless on Jul 20, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NTC didn’t help because they could only negotiate with a few teams, but I don’t think that was as big of a concern as the fact that he had no leverage. The NTC became a bigger concern once GMPH let Gagne and his agent negotiate with other teams. Up until that point GMPH could have negotiated with all teams and pretended Gagne had consented to waiving the NTC. Once he let the agent get involved he lost that information asymmetry so he basically was left with zero leverage to negotiate at all.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree that he’s part of the core. Bolland, Seabrook, and Sharp are definitely the more moveable salaries on that team.

And I agree that they’re not going to get equal value back. In order to get equal value back and dump the requisite amount of salary, you’d have to get a guy who can score 20-30-50, is super defensively, and makes 3.5 million or less. Either that, or a blue chip prospect still on an entry-level deal (e.g. Evander Kane).

by Wheeler on Jul 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Campbell’s not going anywhere.

First, they get Huet’s cap hit off the books. That leaves them with roughly $4.5M in cap space.

They can walk from Niemi and sign Turco for less, I’m guessing. Call it $1.5M for a year. That gives them 11 x F, 5 x D (one being John Scott, whoever he is) and 1 x G and leaves them $3M to play with.

They could go with a 21 man roster by adding a 12th forward and a 6th D plus a swingman to HS most nights. If they go with guys making on average $750K, which is possible, they could round out the roster and still keep Sharp and have some cap room left for callups.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. How much cap room would that leave them for callups? I could see some interesting IR moves by them coming this season.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

In that example, they’d have in the neighborhood of $750K for callups.

This would be walking an extremely fine line, of course. If Turco goes for $2M, and the the fillers make an average of $800K, then their available cap space goes down to virtually nil.

They’d have an AHL-level bottom to their roster, but it’s theoretically possible.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. That is razor thin margin.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure is. If they’re not going to get rid of Sharp, they might get rid of Bolland, Seabrook, Reasoner, or Brower for some more relief.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Bowman’s cap solution will be to look for a guy who makes under 800k who can play both defense and forward. Wonder where he could find such a guy.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does it rhyme with “Schuyler Bone”?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A “swingman” if you will.

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If Turco would take 1.5 I suspect he’d already be a Flyer.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he’s had a month to think about the fact that he’s not getting what he wanted, so perhaps he adjusts his expectations downward.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you taking their 4.1 million cap penalty for this year into consideration?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes (per Capgeek).

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with PD, no way someone is taking Campbell.

Holmgren.

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not the most high profile case, but unless they settle on a contract early today, Vancouver and Jannik Hansen are headed to arbitration.

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by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Meech and Boll too right?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah…never mind. Read the fine print.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, in that link, the names in red are players that signed contracts after the hearing dates were set.

Here’s a weird update about Atlanta/Clarke MacArthur from the AJC …This blogger,who is the beat writer, sounds confused…how does an arb. make a decision before the hearing???

By the way, I have not seen a walkaway number in print but given how it is calculated, the number should be somewhere around/a little over 1.6M based on some quick calculations I did the other day.

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Shameless self-promotion: mobilize, minions!

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(Though I don’t think we fit what they’re looking for)

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It says DC’s Best Blog… it doesn’t say what kind of blog. This place fits.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to hire the mopes that got the entire Habs team elected to the All-Star game.

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

My favorite on that one? When Canadiens fans after the fact bitched that Komisarek couldn’t wear 8 because he agreed to let Ovechkin have it using the arguement “But Komisarek got ELECTED.”

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Jimmy Carter would not approve of that election.

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I believe it was a fair election.

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I believe Politics + Hockey = bad combination.

JP or DMG or one of those guys.

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I agree…. we should ask Manny Legace his opinion of VP candidates and their effect on goaltenders. ;-)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell them your blog is about Tomas Plekanec… you’ll get 75,903.265 votes in a few minutes.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Done.

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by EmilyB on Jul 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Done. I feel sorry for the intern who has to got to 5 different places to count votes. Just put up a poll in one place and link it from the others.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you the one in pink or in green?

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec’d because I just saw that movie

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any chance you could leave your thoughts re: it on the OTOT?

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(Meaning, I’m curious but this isn’t the place for me to start the conversation. =) )

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did. I’ll check the OTOT tomorrow, we can start there, though I’ll probably be away most of the day again.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, thanks for the picture of Nicky this morning. Needed a little Backis in my day.

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by EmilyB on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

As long as everyone is in a voting mood, go Vote Weagle.

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by EmilyB on Jul 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

That guy’s running out of ideas, jeeeeez.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Keane retiring

This is OT, but always impressed by Mike Keane’s commitment and leadership and his play with Manitoba in the AHL these last few years hasn’t changed my opinion. Mike Keane, 43yo, expected to retire.

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To relate it to the Caps/Bears, there’s a quote from Eric Fehr in the article about Keane.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Mike Keane was, when he was NHL calibre, the kind of player every team wanted. He played hard, hit hard, skated hard, and is a leader on and off the ice. No doubt he will be back in the NHL soon as at least an assistant coach and eventually as a head coach.

I still remember when he was interviewed after he found out he was part of the trade that sent Patrick Roy to Colorado, he was trying to be tough, but the tears were streaming down his face and he was sobbing hard during it. The guy loved being in Montreal (and I think he was the captain at the time?). I suppose winning the Stanley Cup that spring with the Avs lessened the hurt some.

The guy won the Cup 3 times with 3 different teams (93 Montreal, 96 Colorado, 99 Dallas). Would have loved to see him on the Caps, but alas, it never happened.

Good luck Mike! You won’t need it, but good luck all the same.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike-L said it perfectly.

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by Rather Bengt on Jul 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you guys talking about? He can’t speak French. Get him out of town.

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It’s been fun traveling Memory Lane with you today.

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by Bald Pollack on Jul 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I posted this link on 50 goal scorers over in the Kovalchuk trade FanShot but for those that haven’t seen it I definitely recommend it.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

That is a great link. Really makes you think about the retirement deals for guys like Hossa and Kovalchuk. Even with the artificially low cap hits those contracts are likely to become a burden quicker than people may think.

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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff (and it makes you glad the Caps didn’t tack on a handful of bullshit years to his contract, no?)

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by J.P. on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. The first thing I did after reading it was go check AO’s age when he becomes UFA (36). That’s a few years into the decline, but I think AO could have that Brendan Shannan goal scoring durability.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Shanahan is good comparison. Ovechkin will lose some of his explosiveness as he ages, but he’ll still have the shot and nose for the net which will mean he will always be a PP threat.

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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given his physical style of play I worry about his durability long term. I hope as he gets older he learns to pick his spots better.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s going to have to. He’s a smart player and he’s still got that shark ability to find the open spots in the zone. As K_C said, he won’t lose that shot and with his size he’ll be able to rack up PP points for quite some time.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

And regarding physicality, that’s why I chose to compare him to Shanny.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shanny>Neely, yo

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by bigonetimer on Jul 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly in the health department. I wish Neely could have stayed healthy. A real loss for the game.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

/obligatory “Fuck Ulf Samuelsson” comment

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by Bald Pollack on Jul 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tie Domi with the best suckerpunch ever.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Better angle.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not gonna lie, clicked on and rec’d both of them.

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by Bald Pollack on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always liked when SI did that poll on who the “dirtiest” player was, and Ulfie said “Can I vote for myself?”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love that guy…now.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hated him when he played. Felt the same about Domi, to tell you the truth.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Domi is a jerk and the elbow on Scott Niedermayer is one of the most abhorrent things I’ve ever seen. But he did sucker punch Ulf and he did beat up a Flyer fan in the PIM box, so he at least comes out even.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Flyer fan in the PB is priceless.

Ulfie deserved everything he got and more, so I’ll waste no tears on him.

Just didn’t like Domi, is all.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always loved the little glance to see where the ref was / if he was looking before the non-chalant glove toss – punch, all in one continuous motion

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by renstar on Jul 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found this nifty YouTube channel yesterday. Go here and put “Ovechkin” in the search box and enjoy.

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by EmilyB on Jul 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha ha ha ha! the titles alone are hilarious

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome link. Scorinhg dropoffs were surprising in some cases. I love how the goal totals are easy to follow using the chart and colors as well.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome. Kicked the ass of the soccernomics translation one I tried a few months back.

And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.

by Bald Pollack on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

How awesome is it that in 1988-89 Bernie Nicholls dropped 70/80/150, and still finished fourth in the league scoring race (Lemieux-85/114/199, Gretzky-54/114/168, Yzerman-65/90/155)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Pens had three guys with over a hundred points that year, (Lemieux, Rob Brown, and Paul Coffey). Coffey dropped 30/83/113 that year. Just silly.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s absurd.

When you look at the charts, it’s interesting to note that Ovechkin is really the only guy in the modern era that’s putting up a run of 50 goal seasons similar to what elite players were putting up in the 80s and early 90s.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jul 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Patrick Roy won the Vezina that year with a 2.47 and a .908. He should have been given a Medal of Honor.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only five goalies playing in more than 30 games that year had GAA’s under 3.00. Only two had save percentages over .900. Eight had GAA’s over 4.00, and 14 had save percentages under .880.

Look at film from that period, and it isn’t that surprising. Shooters by that time had evolved a lot further than had goaltenders, almost all of whom were still stuck in the upright (stand-up) position. It was like shooting around pylons. It is instructive that Roy led the league that year in GAA and save percentage, and was second in shutouts. He was leading the vanguard in playing a different goaltending style that took away much more of the net from shooters.

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by ThePeerless on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, some of the goalies looked like they had to keep one hand on a pipe to keep upright. Tons of net to shoot at.

The teams also basically traded line rushes for 60 minutes.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are absolutely spoiled to get to watch Ovechkin. All of hockey is, really. Sometimes, I think hockey just needs to chill out and enjoy watching him pile up goals like its 1992. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it may be another 20 years before someone storms the NHL like that again.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty crazy, and should help put the era’s scoring in context. The guy that jumps off the page for me is Bossy. What an incredible run of scoring. He’s got to be the best pure scorer the NHL has seen. AO might make a run for it, but he’s got some years of longevity to prove it before I can put him on that level. I’ll acknowledge that Mike Bossy played in a much easier era to score, but still, impressive.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was out of the game by 31, and in his “worst” season (his final one) he only put up 38.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly. I don’t know how, because he was the key scorer on one of the best modern dynasties in pro sports.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

He never really gets mentioned among the “greats” though

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Though he undoubtedly deserves to be.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys like Orr and Gretzky get credit for “changing the way the game is played.” Bossy doesn’t, but he did have a profound effect on the way goalies had to play the game. I’ve talked with two ex-NYI that played with Bossy and they both talked about how when Bossy came into the league he would fly down the wing and shoot low for the far post because goalies hadn’t figured out how to play angles and they stood with their feet together. So that left the far corner open and Bossy just picked them apart. So goalies then started standing with their feet apart to cover the far post and Bossy started sniping the 5 hole. I’m not a hockey historian, and these games were before my time so I can’t say how true this is. It’s just what I’ve been told by guys that were there with him, and assuming it’s true that’s a pretty profound impact on the way goal scorers approach the game and the way goalies have had to react.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

There have only been 5 guys in the entire history of the league who have scored 50 in 50. Bossy’s one of them.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he was the first guy to do it since Richard. People thought it would never happen again.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

For my money, Bossy was and remains the best pure goal scorer who ever lived.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How was his backhand?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deadly accurate, although the forehand shot was as accurate and much harder to stop.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish I could have been around for that. Looking back on old tape, you kinda just get caught up in how woeful the goalies were if you didn’t live through the context, I think.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bossy was great to watch and like a marksman he was deadly accurate in finding the five-hole. It’s a real shame his back didn’t hold up

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by Rather Bengt on Jul 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome data crunching, this is.

I guess the assumption is that Kovalchuk must have a couple 50 goal seasons, and another 4-5 40 goal seasons to justify the money. How will he do that with a team that is perenially in the bottom half and more often the lower 1/3 of the league in scoring?

This is a stupefyingly bad contract.

by S h a g g y on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that will change. Lou has to realize after last season that they need to open up the offense. They’ve got two of the best scorers on the planet on their roster.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I’m thinking. If nothing else, this last playoffs had to prove that you need to be able to score in the playoffs. Sure, you still have to defend, but that’s three straight years of NJD winning the Atlantic by locking it down on D and then losing in the first round. They can’t be signing Kovy long term just to play the same style.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if they say “We need to open it up and score some damn goals,” there’s still got to be a learning curve. I’m not sure they go from playing like the Devils we’ve come to know and sleep through to playing like the Caps in one summer.

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by SmallZ827 on Jul 20, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

They don’t need to go all the way to playing like the Caps. Just having Kovalchuk and playing like they did under Sutter would be a big improvement.

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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

An exaggeration, to be sure, but I’m not sure they even do what you’re suggesting they do. It’ll certainly be interesting if they do, because it’ll make the New Jersey Devils watchable and that kind of blows my mind.

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by SmallZ827 on Jul 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the odds of this working in NJ’s favor are small. You can argue that he wanted to boost a low production offense, for sure, you wont get any argument for mme there. But are they also facing declining season ticket sales? I just can’t fathom why this made sense by any measure in terms of it’s magnitude.

by S h a g g y on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

They can’t be signing Kovy long term just to play the same style.

Agreed. Brodeur’s contract expires in 2012. He’ll be 40, and if he was to stay, he’d be playing in his 40s. Obviously there is still speculation over who’s going to be the goalie of the future: Is it Frazee, a free agent or someone else? Lou knows that the Devils are going to have to step out of the defensive style everyone’s accustomed to hearing about. There’s going to be a change of style with the team coming up soon.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know we’ve gotten into it about the trap a whole bunch, but I’m not sure that Lou has to change drastically. I think he does need a coach that is going to all but scrap the trap from his strategy because I don’t think it works anymore, but if you look at the two most recent NJD Cup teams (and the one that lost to COL) they both could score with anyone. The Sutter NJD team was like that as well. NJD will always have that defensive responsibility in their DNA, but I think as long as they go away from the Lemaire model they can be alright. I still don’t think they are elite contenders, mostly because I think Brodeur has lost that edge.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just thinking that the Devils are going to make a transition in the coming years. Maclean is an up tempo coach (similar to Sutter, minus the taskmaster mentality) and he’s a good player person. I’d assume the two years before Brodeur could mean a transition to a more balanced style versus a hardcore defensive trap. I guess we’re going to have to wait and see then.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

MacLean seemed to confirm this in the Kovy presser. I love how Marty gave him a look when he said it.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t seen it but I’ve been reading the updates. Any hints as to how involved Vanderbeek was in this contract?

Funny to hear that Lebond was there, one player is not like the others…Langenbrunner, Parise, Elias, Brodeur and Leblond (I know Brodeur and Elias are local and that Langenbrunner and Parise flew in for the press conf.)

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like the owner was extremely involved. Lou is hard to read, but I get the impression he doesn’t like some elements of this signing.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve read some updates from TG now and yes that’s my take and what I expected was the case.

And the point is ‘some elements’ not all elements as you noted.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

A blog entry from TG on the topic, worth a read about Kovalchuk, Parise, ownership’s role, etc….

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by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

— The contract that has the potential to be the best investment? How about Nicklas Backstrom with the Washington Capitals. He’s still young enough, and good enough, that it shouldn’t be that much of a risk (he’ll only be 32 when it expires, and he’s already one of the best players in the league), and it’s already looking like an absolute steal when it comes to value. And, barring injury, he’s all but guaranteed to continue to improve, making it an even bigger win for the Capitals.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Do the proportionally-sized goalie equipment rules go into effect this season?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

So, who’s enjoying the Flyers’ extreme stupidity?

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Ooh, I am, I am, pick me! :)

by Becca H on Jul 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean? They got rid of a big contract and picked up more depth on D yesterday. What’s not to like?

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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

MarioD

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Too bad he can’t participate in any of the frenzied discussion on BSH.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got banned?

Aw, man. There goes one sure fire laugh.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He managed to get banned from there… that’s saying something.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow…wasn’t F&B’s secret plan to get him banned from BSH?

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure secret is terribly accurate, but I’d love to know what old “huck” did to finally get banned.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a guess, mind you, but: called the boss “idiot” one too many times?

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure wish Ben would come over and tell us.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s what a quick search yields.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll keep the ban message amongst us four, but we just finally had enough of his disrespect.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 13, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions

Looks like it was, in the end, one to many “you’re an idiot” remarks at the blogfather(s). Kinda predictable. But the ban message would be priceless reading.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And allegedly I’m quoted in it! Best F You! I could ever get on Huck.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Def. a feather in your virtual cap.

I’m guessing the quote involved the “you’re a troll on your own board” observation (which was accurate and very funny).

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well those guys are pretty good. It was only a matter of time for MarioD to get banned. I’m just glad I could be a part of the mutiny.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d Rec’d 1000 times Rec’d

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am. But I try not to gloat in front of BSH.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea. I’m staying away from there for a while. They’re probably going to mock “17 years of KovaLOLchuk” at me.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just throw the Pronger deal back at them.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or the Briere deal. Or the Hartnell deal. Or the Meszaros deal. Or the Shelley deal. Or…

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, Brian Rolston’s deal is 100000000x worse than all of them.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. True story. But at least for now the Rolston deal didn’t force a fan favorite out of town. Gagne had 9 playoff goals for them last year. You think they replaced that with their acquisitions?

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it. But even then, Elias could be moved just because of his value (and the cap hit). His deal is front loaded anyways, so teams will be interested because they have to pay less. Although I doubt Lou’s trading him though, the only time he’s career Devils go is under drastic circumstances (Pandolfo and his buyout, Brylin) or Free agency (Niedermayer, Rafalski, captain douchebag Scott Gomez and Martin)

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 20, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how he can move Elias unless it’s for peanuts. 3 more years at 6 million? That’s not an easy sell.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s his cap hit, but he’s only got $15 mil left on his contract for 3 years. If a team has cap space and some money to spend, they could potentially take him on. Even then, if Gomez’ contract could get moved for peanuts, i’m sure a better player would be easier to move.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 20, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gomez’ contract wasn’t moved for peanuts, and that’s the hysterical part. It was moved for a top prospect. So, Elias to NYI?

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

And there’s always Sather’s great deal in bringing in Wade Redden….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 20, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The better question might be who isn’t?

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

just thinking about the Flyers’ off-season adventure send me into fits of laughter.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I made up a joke, want to hear it?

Q: How many defensemen does it take to keep the puck out of the Flyers’ net?
A: Doesn’t matter, because their goaltending stinks!!

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I’d vote it “Best Joke” if you entered it in a contest

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s been like watching a train plow into an orphanage at 1 frame per minute.

Feel bad for the guys at BSH.

Gagne for a 4th + a guy who is simultaneously more expensive and worse than the other 7 D on the roster is still hard to wrap my head around.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m enjoying it, though I’ll be enjoying it a lot more if/when they struggle next year relative to the Caps. They still have a pretty good team, now with a coach they’ll play for, despite Holmgren’s idiocy.

by grapejoos on Jul 20, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the “when” will likely be another year or two down the road. But can’t come soon enough. Wouldn’t surprise me if Holmgren retires at the end of next season so he doesn’t have to be around to see the carnage.

by Reckless on Jul 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha…could be the best shoehorned reference in a headline ever

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

2010 - 11 Cap Penalties (Tomorrow's Clips Today?)

According to Capgeek, there are 9 teams with a carryover bonus penalty.

Here’s the list:

1. Chicago Blackhawks, $4,157,753
2. Boston Bruins, $1,759,795
3. Toronto Maple Leafs, $1,400,000
4. Edmonton Oilers, $354,500
5. San Jose Sharks, $327,500
6. Vancouver Canucks, $90,000
7. Pittsburgh Penguins, $83,979
8. Montreal Canadiens, $68,751
9. Detroit Red Wings, $50,000

That ain’t chicken feed for the B’s or the Leafs. Adjust your poacherbator fantasies accordingly.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m more shocked by the Oilers. Terrible and capped out is no way to go through life son.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jul 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Dean YLM speaks the truth.

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by Carl Putnam on Jul 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once they get done with double secret probation, they’ll be revitalized.

Your point is a good one…more high draft picks in their future, I suspect.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Lifeson?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

proper cap management is for suckers

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Wysh getting down with the Rink continuity?
Lamoriello seems to infer that Vanderbeek is the driving force behind the term and the value of this contract, if not the driving force behind reacquiring Kovalchuk altogether.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, I certainly don’t think he’s a Dawson’s Creek fan, if that’s what you mean.

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they can stay healthy, that top six for Tampa is looking pretty formidable.

by reesem37 on Jul 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

And Kubina!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Jul 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

More competition in the SE is a good thing. The lack of any real reason to play coming down the stretch definitely hurt the Caps as they went into the playoffs. I’d love to see a team like Tampa rise up and give the Caps a run for their money right down to the last week.

by b.orr4 on Jul 20, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that the lack of competition really hurt the Caps down the stretch this year. They didn’t lag as much as they did the prior year and their problem with MON wasn’t coming out slowly like against NYR; the problem against MON was no killer instinct and a ridiculous Halak. I can’t see how more divisional competition is a good thing.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see it as good for the league – for us, specifically, not so much.

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, for the league. I just don’t think a real rival to the SE is good for us. We don’t really need tough games in the regular season and the idea of being basically guaranteed a top 3 seed is pretty nice, notwithstanding our game 7 performances at home.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding our overwhelming odds to win the division

Can we just acknowledge that we’ll be a top-3 seed and that therefore the regular season doesn’t matter? Let’s phone in the first 40 games, then start playing hard just to get in sync for the playoffs. It amazes me that teams play so hard for 82 games when really, for the top teams in the league, it just plain doesn’t matter. And for anyone who disagrees, just look back to last season when a certain 8 seed beat a certain 1 seed.

by L A Vikes Fan on Jul 20, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

In the last 3 seasons, this team has overwhelmed in the last month, underwhelmed in the last month and beaten the past two Stanley Cup champions in the last month (to say nothing for the “Regular Season Means [Semin]” meme last year).

I think we’re past the point of anything they do/don’t do in March impacting what they do in April and beyond.

And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.

by Bald Pollack on Jul 20, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Caps will be in for a rude awakening if they thing they can just coast this year. They should still win the SE but, frankly, other teams in the conference have improved and the Caps, at least right now, do not appear to have done so. They may get better due to growth from within, but it’s not likely.

We should all remember during the regular season that the playoffs are what matter. I have a feeling it’s going to be a much bumpier ride in the regular season this year, but hopefully with a payoff when it matters.

by grapejoos on Jul 20, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think many teams in the East really improved much – they mainly were replacing what they lost, or moving sideways instead of forward. I would like to see the Caps get a veteran center for 2/3C duty, but they don’t need much improvement other than that. Maybe a 5/6 dman too – I’m not exactly thrilled about Erskine/Sloan as 6/7. The Caps will be better than last season, even if only due to young players getting more experienced.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Caps will be in for a rude awakening…

like losing to the 8th seed in the first round?

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Jul 21, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kovalchuk saga isn't over

if the report by Gord Miller and being repeated or should I say retweeted by others is true…
NHL and cap circumvention … possible contract was rejected by NHL…

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

you’d think the the NHL would have rejected the contract before the Devils made their announcement.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As had been reported before and again tonight, they had 5 days, but I don’t know why the Devils and League wouldn’t have waited to have a presser.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

for some reason I now have visions on Paul Holmgren doing a little dance and saying “YES! I haven’t committed the biggest fuck up of the off-season!”

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to beat Holmgren’s screw-up on the Pronger deal though.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was last off-season! that’s history. Holmgren is all excited someone made a bigger screw up than him this July.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll see, there’s a lot left to go and NJD was trying to bring more talent in, not force it out of town.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically, they were trying to keep talent in town… but it was extremely dumb of Holmgren to make deals that forced him to get rid of one of his best players.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d sure hope it was – it is such a blatant attempt to get around the cap that it’s ridiculous.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious – can you post a link to it?

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I win. =)

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, nix that.. you win. Bad browser!

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

we posted at the same time. we’re both winners!

by funkyceili79 on Jul 20, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=328025

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

just saw a tweet that said the NHL has deemed it a “retirement contract” and so likely to be void

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Kovy will spend the last 7 years of his former contract selling nachos at the Rock, is all.

by S h a g g y on Jul 20, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovie will come by and say hello, I’m sure.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, nachos sound pretty awesome right about now, too. Grr.

What does “retirement contract” mean in terms of this discussion?

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think the best way to solve this garbage is to create the rule that if a player retires during the contract, the team is still on the hook, regardless of age when the contract was signed. Obviously, an injury might null that clause, but I don’t know any other way around it.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make it so however much a player is paid is their cap hit. That would stop atempts like this one.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or both!

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another idea… make it so the lowest paid year of the deal can be no less than 50% of the highest paid. That would get rid of all those contracts listed below.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not so fond of that…Zetterberg’s contract is pretty realistic to me. 40 isn’t that old. So are Lecavalier and Richards deals.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re still only signing them until they’re 40 to lower the cap hit. The problem I see for the NHL is that there’s no fine line to draw on these deals that can be applied consistently. Of course, the NHL has no problem with defying precedent or applying rules inconsistently, so there’s that.

by grapejoos on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, consistency doesn’t really matter. What does matter is they have a clause in the CBA that allows them to void this contract and it is clearly a salary cap manipulation. Easily the most blatant of all.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it matters to me and it probably matters to the Devils and the teams that have to play against all of the teams that have been allowed to hand out these deals. Look, I’m happy to know the Devils are going to have to pay more for Kovy or whatever, but I don’t see how the league can legitimately draw the line here given the ones they’ve accepted (as detailed below).

by grapejoos on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I meant it doesn’t matter to them. And personally, I don’t see what the big deal is. 44 is a significant difference from 41. They didn’t reject the same contract they have already approved, this was definitely more egregious. The line has to be somewhere and Lou left plenty of room for them to draw one between the Hossa and Kovy deals.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 21, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with the Richards deal. The Lecavalier and Zetterburg deals both end at 40 – which makes them not nearly as bad as the others, but they are still ways to circumvent the cap.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or just have the balls to make an assessment of the player’s true worth through the life on the contract, then say thumbs up or down.
Shit – the blogs do a great job of dissecting this – why can’t the fucking NHL?

by S h a g g y on Jul 20, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because the NHL isn’t as smart as the posters on the blogs.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re all Rhodes scholars, y’know.

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by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we’re all edumacated.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, Bobby Lou makes 10 million a year?! overpaid much?

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d. Excellent work to show any possible comparable should the PA decide to fight it.

And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.

by Bald Pollack on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, if anyone notes any mistakes or should I say typos, please let me know.

Also, someone just mentioned that I should add Duncan Keith’s contract, so I’ll pull that info. together in the same format.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome work. I’d also suggest adding Nick’s, since it’s a ten year contract that increases each year.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, not each year, but rises over the life on the contract.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Backstrom’s 10 year contract ends when he is 32yo, IIRC. Salary varies from a low of 6M to a high of 8M and starts at the low figure and goes up to 8M at the end of the contract.

Backstrom’s contract would fall in the category with Ovechkin’s and DiPietro’s, IMO. Lengthy but not the type of variation or low out years seen in the contracts listed above, plus the age at which the contract ends is not comparable. DiPietro’s ends at age 40yo, but the salary is the same in every year of the contract.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ten years just seem so long, but Nick’s so young it hardly seems to matter.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post. Rec’d.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at the ages on there, Luongo and Hossa are the only two I REALLY object to. All the rest (except Richards’) are questionable, but I would expect the player to have a shot at finishing the contract. Richards’ seems entirely reasonable – it only goes down to $3M, and that is when he would turn 34.

by timmyv38 on Jul 21, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s one more:

Duncan Keith, Dec 2009
13 years, cap hit $5,538,462
27yo and ends right before he turns 40yo
8M, 8M, 8M, 7.65M, 7.6M, 7.5M, 6M, 5M, 4.5M, 3.5M, 2.65M, 2.1M, 1.5M

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone pointed out that CapGeek has different numbers for Hossa:

Hossa: 2009
12 years, cap hit: $5,275,000
30yo and ends the season 42yo partway through the season
7 years at 7.9M, then 4M, 1M, 1M, 1M, 1M

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And need to modify Luongo’s. I used information at the time these deals were announced and some updates need to be made based on cap geek. I’ll post a revised list later.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cry Vanderbeek, cry!

And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.

by Bald Pollack on Jul 20, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I’d be totally torn up by this.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by winterion on Jul 20, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Sather came in and signed Kovalchuk, I would DIE of laughter.

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by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or if LA re-emerged and Kovy rode west.

by S h a g g y on Jul 20, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, if they can sign him, they’d really be thanking the hockey gods.

Joe Finley to the Russians: "Como estas?"

by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind seeing Kovy go West – rather play him once a season than 4 or 6 times.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d miss it. He’s fun to watch, but if he goes to LA, holy shit, I’d love to watch those guys.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brown/Kopitar/Kovalchuk…wowwww.

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’d be a shitton of fun to watch, and you know it. Maybe the perfect line, as far as skilled power forward, skilled playmaker, skilled sniper.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that perfect line is probably an understatement – that’d be total hell to play against. Additionally, Dustin Brown draws more penalties than anyone in the league. Doughty/Johnson/Kopitar/Smyth/Kovalchuk on the PP. Fuck.

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

scarier than the Caps’ regular season PP.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

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by Chris Burton on Jul 20, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love watching him – but not when he’s playing against the Caps. If he goes to LA, they would have to be viewed as contenders. They have a strong team already, and I think Kovalchuk would work better there than in New Jersey.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Russostrib tweets:
I can’t wait until next week’s Kovalchuk-Kings presser: “I always wanted to play in LA.” :)

by cuqui on Jul 20, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I love Russo.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t retweet but I came close to a first when I saw that one. He’s great, humor and good reporting and good writing!

This was from his blog yesterday:

“The NHL is allegedly “investigating” drastically-frontloaded contracts like Chris Pronger’s, Roberto Luongo’s, Marian Hossa’s, Johan Franzen’s and Henrik Zetterberg to see if there is any evidence of talk of retirement.

Even writing that sentence, I literally laughed out loud."

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s the only non-Cap writer I follow regularly.

Russo does mention something interesting, that contracts over 7 years can’t be insured. I don’t know if that’s specific to Koivu’s contract, or across the NHL.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI, we had this discussion the other day about the insurance and I posted some info.; I’m not sure which day, but I’m guessing the clips the day Koivu’s contract was discussed.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vaguely remember that, but I thought ten years was the term being thrown around.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

short version: League insurance up to 7 years for a select number of contracts; teams can try to insure for more years on their own.

The article I linked to which was originally published about the Staal contract and in the NC paper goes into a lot of detail.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the summary, greatly appreciated!

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knee High set up a fan shot discussion for us to point at the Devils and laugh further dissect the stupidity issues of this contract

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vogs went digging through the archives to re-cap the 2004 Development Camp. Short version: yeah, not quite as well attended as 2010. But, as always, worth the read.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Fun read. Some of us were there :) The scrimmage was pretty well-attended for Piney O. during dev. camp.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lived too far away at the time. Plus, I was involved with kids swim team activities. My how times have changed.

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by CapsFan75 on Jul 20, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note that both Semin and Fehr missed most of camp with injuries. (Yes, keeping Sasha and Eric healthy was definitely a problem.)

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by CapsFan75 on Jul 20, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vanderbeek looks like he’s a cat who just ate a canary. a very poisonous canary.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheshire Cat smile, no?

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by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

very much so. I’d love to know what his face looked like when the NHL called him to say the contract was invalid.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vanderbeek picture above is probably about right.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you saying his face is frozen like that? Damn, I never believed my mom when she said that would happen.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol… I meant the one above that. Great response though.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think face frozen in the cheshire cat grin with tears rolling down his cheeks makes for a highly amusing picture. so I’m hoping that’s what he looks like.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d for the hilarious image. I’m going to laugh about that every time I read this post.

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if anyone here could doctor a photo to look like that…

by timmyv38 on Jul 20, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so. Adding animated tears is a little beyond my skills, sadly.

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do have a few skilled photoshoppers…

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by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Ilya’s wry smile straight into the camera belied the fact that he knew the contract would be rejected, and LA would be forced to put up a max contract – mwah-hahaaaaa!!!!”

by S h a g g y on Jul 20, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting tweet from Paul Bissonnette’

PaulBizNasty
  
kovalchuck’s gana have to give lap dances for 20 years instead of getting them now that he got rejected. sory communist. back to the soviet.

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by i12swim on Jul 20, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope Phoenix signs him.

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bissonnette?

He’s signed for this year and next.

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phoenix signs Kovalchuk*

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by Whiter Mage on Jul 20, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha, wow, I misread your earlier comment lol

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s bad, but he’s hilarious.

Joe Finley to the Russians: "Como estas?"

by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

how could he miss a prime “In Soviet Russia contract reject YOU!” joke?

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by RedBirdie on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agent vs Agent?

NortonSports
  
“No comment yet from Kovi’s agent? Now is the time for a tweet or statement on client’s behalf?”

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

From @russianmachine, and it made me giggle, so enjoy.

by funkyceili79 on Jul 20, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Hossa’s contract: ok, I have no idea what the right numbers are…here’s one of many articles indicating the cap hit and total for last 4 years which match my original numbers

“The red flags are up because Hossa’s cap hit over the length of his deal is $5.23 million but he will receive a bulk of his $62.8 million up front. If he retires prior to the end of the deal, the cap hit goes away.

Hossa is due an annual salary of $7.9 million for the first seven years of the deal. He’ll make $4 million in the eighth year of the deal, but only $3.5 million over the last four years of the contract."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=457975

Either way, it was circumvention, just like this latest contract…slippery slope…

by sk84fun_dc on Jul 20, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Moral of the story: Your GM shouldn’t say the contract shouldn’t be allowed the day you announce it.

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Southeast Standings

GP W L OTL PT
Florida 53 25 17 11 61
Washington 54 28 21 5 61
Winnipeg 56 26 24 6 58
Tampa Bay 53 23 24 6 52
Carolina 55 20 25 10 50

(updated 2.10.2012 at 9:27 AM EST)

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