Monday Caps Clips
by J.P. on Jul 19, 2010 6:41 AM EDT
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Development Camp leftovers aplenty. [Caps Today (on Dan Dunn), RMNB (on Evgeny Kuznetsov), RMNB (more generally), Hoffman (on Marcus Johansson and Stan Galiev), Rink Rebel (on Andy Miele), KG's District, Caps Snaps (on Johansson), Caps Snaps (on Dmitri Orlov), HockeyPhotography.com (pictures of the FA invitees), OFB]
- "We aren’t done with our work this off season[.]" [Ted's Take]
- The Caps have some depth down the middle in the pipeline for the first time in recent memory. [Peerless]
- It's awards time at HockeyFights.com, and the Caps are up for "Worst Enforcing Team" honors, while Matt Bradley is a contender for "Best Old-School Moment." [HockeyFights.com]
- Not sure I necessarily agree with the conclusions, but here's an interesting look at zone starts (spoiler alert: Mike Green played easy minutes at even strength). [The Puck Stops Here]
- Gabby's charity golf tourney featured a quartet of Caps last year (it also featured two NHL head coaches last year, but that's neither here nor there). [Bruce Boudreau - John Anderson Celebrity Classic]
- What's the worst moment in Caps history? Uplifting question. [Capitals Outsider]
- Alex Ovechkin rocking a Caps lid at a football match. Or a soccer game. Whatevs. [Alex Ovetjkin]
- Chris Bourque heads to Russia. [Patriot-News]
- CapGeek has a gorgeous new cap calculator tool that's worth checking out. [CapGeek.com]
- Finally, happy 37th birthday to Scotty Walker (and good luck in the job search).
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Well yeah, it is football. I mean, how much footballing goes on in American football?
Or when in doubt, Cleese.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
Worst enforcing team in a league where the enforcer is a dying trade. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.
Then again, the best enforcing team this year might be a mid- to low-pack enforcing team in the heyday of enforcers.
Analogous to “fewest Joffa eggshell helmets on the team.”
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Re: Ted's "We aren't done" Comment
I got the sense that this was more about changes they were going to be making to the Verizon center, such as adding more seats and/or changing concessions (more ketchup!), than changes to the actual team.
I don’t. When he says “At some point in the future – maybe not this coming season – I believe our center ice will be populated with players we drafted and developed”, that tells me a little birdie has whispered in his ear and told him a veteran center will be added to the roster.
John Madden! I was gonna post that thanks to JP pointing out CapGeeks new calc, it looks like we have enough space to resign Flash, sign MADDEN! and have plenty enough money left over for the season/deadline…
"If you want money, go to the bank. If you want bread, go to the bakery. If you want goals, go to the net." - Brooks Laich
"...I got the most gentlemanly player in juniors my last year. I'm a gentleman, always a gentleman." - Matt Bradley
Which doesn’t make too much sense. Madden makes too much and is really a third line center, and we have those in spades.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 19, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
We do?
Not that I’m all on fire for Madden, but I think the candidates for 3C are just as spotty as for 2C, at least for the upcoming year.
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That’s what happens when I post before I’m awake. I’ll be back.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure about that (re: the Caps having those in spades). Depends on what type of 3rd line you want to run out there.
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by J.P. on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It certainly would be nice to have a third reliable defensive line (as it stands AO-Backstrom and Gordon-Bradley lines I think are alright, Semin’s line could be depending on his linemates).
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by red army line on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Thinking more about it, I more mean the whole at 2C is a bigger pressing need than the 3C hole.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The hole at 2C is bigger, because the importance of 2C is bigger. Given that the same group of people are competing for both spots, there’s no reason to think we are any more or less set for either. Thus, the more important position is the bigger concern.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What he means that as soon as Eric Belanger figures out he is not getting a 3-4 year deal, he will resign with the Caps for 1 year 1.5 mil and talk about how he is staying here because he wants to win the cup.
plus, he won’t have to go through to hassle of finding a new dentist.
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Bouds Golf Tourney
need to update eminger’s team on the web site. should just say, Steve Eminger – Coming soon to a team near you.
interesting that eminger would participate given that it was under Bouds watch that he was benched for most of the season…although i’m guessing if this was the GMGM golf classic, emer would probably take a pass.
and can we imagine how much fun a GMGM golf classic would be? nobody willing to disclose handicaps or scores. GMGM winking every time he’s about to sink a four footer. always wanting to “take the swede” when it comes to picking foursomes…
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Gabby’s charity golf tourney will feature a quartet of Caps. [Bruce Boudreau – John Anderson Celebrity Classic]…and a former Cap who was traded after the brochure was made…
The brochure was created a long time ago, as I’m fairly certain John Aanderson is no longer the Thrashers’ head coach.
And Dave Steckel won’t be in Ontario on Monday either, as he and Clarkie are leaving for Kuwait on Sunday.
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just noticed that was a list of players who played last year. if big stecks isnt going to be there then i want my $10K gold sponsorship back.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jul 19, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Reading comprehension fail on my part – I reworked the bullet.
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Hey, if they can go with this, Emmy’s team du jour is the least of their worries:
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The new CapGeek calculator is fucking amazing.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions
More like useless...
Eric Fehr as a center? Mike Knuble as a left wing?
It’s arranged players by lines, but organized them by their salary, so you have players listed completely and woefully out of position. If that’s the way they’re going to do it, it’s a major waste of time.
Uh… try dragging the player to where you want them playing. Then drag Mackan from the right side and slot him into 2C. Pull A-Gordon down to 4W and you’re on your way. I’m not being swayed with the pretty graphics, this version actually allows you to change the ridiculous default CapGeek lines.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You could actually do that before, too, but you had to go to a different page (I think it was the beta line editor). The newer version makes it so you can see the lineup and the cap hit AND make line changes all on one page instead of clicking through.
Yeah it’s all right there and you just have to drag it. Much easier to do.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
A great site and they have made many improvements over what was loaded on NHLSCAP back when IB started putting this info. out on the internet for many to see.
A few depth notes: One of these days, I guess I’ll write them, but they have had Hauswirth listed as a D since they loaded his contract; he’s a center/forward. Also, note as of now, they don’t have Fahey and Greentree’s contracts loaded. As one would expect, Fahey is making $500,000 on the NHL side of his two-way contract.
Good catch. I hadn’t gotten that far because I only spent about 5 minutes messing around looking at potential NHL lineups. None of those guys were on my radar so I didn’t notice.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Missed that… but there’s two minor problems with the drag-and-drop:
1. When you drop a player into an occupied spot, it bounces the spot’s current player back to the dropped in player’s original spot. So, fixing the lines is a bit like playing a Chinese puzzle.
2. Unless I missed this too, there’s no way to have a blank space within the lines; the tool simply automatically bumps a player over or back to fill that space. So there’s no way to can arrange the lines in a realistic manner to show where the holes may be.
I dunno…I don’t get the big deal over it. It’s a tool that really doesn’t do anything.
It’s a tool that really doesn’t do anything.
Wrong! Its a rosterbater’s best friend.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You would know. You keep putting in all those forwards who actually score goals, but aren’t on Nashville’s roster.
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Meh; I’m not as obsessed with our lack of premier forwards as most of our fans are. We were actually above league average in 5-on-5 G/G, and just acquired three players who can score. Its not a huge issue. There wasn’t a free agent out there I wanted except Lombardi, and hey, we got him.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’ll be disappointed once you see Lombardi play for your team. Hope for your sake I’m wrong.
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I think that a lot of outsiders may be expecting him to come in and be the top center on the depth chart. Thats not his purpose, and not what I wanted him for. If we evaluate him according to the proper expectations then I think it could end up a great deal. If fans/pundits have him pegged as a 1C, then of course they’ll be disappointed.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not even sure he’s a 2C some nights.
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I think that’s where he’ll start here, presuming Legwand retains the shutdown role. If he (Lombardi) scores 53 points again and can play on the PK2, then you won’t hear a word of complaint out of me.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If he stays healthy I think its 45 points.
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Fair enough, who’d he play with in PHX?
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Upshall and then after Upshall went down it was Doan. The other wingers got mixed around a bit until after the deadline. Only line that played together all year was the Czech shutdown line.
Tippet didn’t exactly roll lines, but he didn’t really have a true top line either. says a lot about the lack of offense on the team.
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Nashville doesn’t have a top line, either (anymore)…so, uh…there’s that.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lombardi also got the most PP time out of any F on the squad, including Doan.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s surprising. Pretty sure that won’t happen here.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That is not a compliment. That PP was a train wreck. I would flip channels when they got one late in the regular season because I couldn’t take it anymore. Lombardi’s decision making on PP drove me bonkers. He wasn’t the only one however.
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Not exactly what I wanted to hear, considering he’ll be PP2 here. Anyway, the verdict’s obviously out. I’ve moved on to the Kariya-to-Nashville-the-remix rumors.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t intended as one – he got the most PP time, he should have been the highest scoring forward on the team. 3+ minutes a game on the PP really ought to translate to more than 53 points.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Joe Corvo’s a tool that really doesn’t do anything.
Capgeek’s calculator is teh awesome.
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by J.P. on Jul 19, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
LOL, excellent.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit, you’re not kidding.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Two of the three Hart Trophy nominees in Henrik Sedin and Sidney Crosby appear on this list. Alexander Ovechkin does not. The fact Ovechkin has essentially the same offensive numbers as the other two, while playing a slightly more defensive role (he has 66 more offensive zone starts than defensive ones) is another reason that he should have been MVP this season.
That quote would have been useful two days ago…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
BUT THE ESPYs.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
AND QUALITY OF COMPETITION! Yeah… other coaches didn’t use their best players to counter AO. Sure.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, did he say that?
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah one of the staples of his “Crosby is the undisputed MVP” platform is that Crosby played against tougher competition than either AO or Sedin. I tried explaining that no matter who they played, every team gave those guys their best shot and they were basically playing the same kind of opposition. He isn’t buying it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t looked, but I wonder if opposing coaches put their top checking line against Crosby or Malkin.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I would point to the ones who have more success are prolly putting them on Crosby.
More norrissey, less morrissey
by bigonetimer on Jul 19, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends on the team and it’s one of the counters to “AO gets help from Backstrom.” A team like PHI can put Pronger’s pair and Mike Richards’ line against AO and Backstrom. They generally would have to split them against PIT (though with Timonen on the second pair and Carter no defensive slouch in his own right maybe they can just double stack). I don’t know how each team approaches it, it’s going to be an individual strategy thing.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Who’d the Caps use?
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
BB doesn’t aggressively match lines but I think he likes to use Schultz against Malkin because of how the match up works. Schultz is good at neutralizing Malkin’s reach and the way Malkin plays is less likely to exploit Schultz’s weaknesses. He probably wanted Poti against Crosby, but in watching the games there were plenty of counterexamples. Sloan got more than a little taste of Crosby (with mixed results) but I’m sure that wasn’t the gameplan. There wasn’t really any true shutdown unit for the Caps, so matching pairs wasn’t a huge concern with the Caps. I’m pretty sure he just rolled the F lines and didn’t try to get his checking line against Crosby or Malkin. Matching F lines is absolutely not BB’s style.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the Snowmageddon game was brutal, but the last game of the year he acquitted himself alright. I’m trying to be diplomatic about it and not pile on TSlo. I don’t like him against Crosby at all, but I think he deserves at least nominal credit for not being abused in the last match up of the season.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting, thanks. I wonder if thats more of necessity because his personnel or just coaching style. The Caps don’t have a checking center, really.
Trotz is the total opposite of BB.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
BB never likes to match F lines because it allows the other team to dictate how you use your best players. He hasn’t been as explicit on his defensive philosophy but it looks pretty clear that he tries to protect the weaker D. Whether he does that by explicit matching or just being careful about situations (O-Zone starts, etc.) is something I’m not sure about.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve written about it a couple of times, if you’re really bored -
http://www.japersrink.com/2009/8/31/1005551/re-thinking-what-you-thought-you
http://www.japersrink.com/2009/8/13/985744/the-wheres-and-whos-of-faceoffs
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Awesome, thanks. Reading now.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s July and development camp is over. Of course we’re bored.
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"Yeah one of the staples of his "Crosby is the undisputed MVP" platform is that Crosby played against tougher competition than either AO or Sedin"
Oh, really?
Player 1: 16G, 17-11-28, +17 (1.75 pts per game)
Player 2: 24G, 19-25-44, +14 (1.83 pts per game)
Player 1 is Alex Ovechkin; Player 2 is Sidney Crosby… both against Atlantic Division teams this past season.
Think that “better competition” argument for Crosby really holds up? Looks pretty much even to me.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah well the “AO/Backstrom feast on the SouthEast” was another argument. But he meant specifically the players that they faced on the ice. His argument was that Crosby faced the other teams’ best players and AO and Sedin didn’t so they were playing easier minutes while they scored and Crosby was scoring against tougher players.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see how anyone could say that Ovi didn’t face another team’s best players.
And as far as earning points against the SE, didn’t most of Ovi’s missed games come against the SE? I know he missed a bunch against FL.
Ovie’s point per game production is always highest vs. the Atlantic (it holds true for almost all the elite players in the East actually). Even if Ovie hadn’t missed a few SE division games in 09-10, I’m fairly confident it would not have had a dramatic impact on the PPG production.l
One thing I did notice was that despite all this “The Southeast SUCKS! They’re CUPCAKES! Everyone looks better playing those PANSIES!” was that of the 3 East divisions, Crosby scores the least, by far, against the SE. You can check it out, and lots more, in this post I did.
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If that’s the argument they offered, that Crosby faced the “A Team” of defenders and Ovechkin and Sedin didn’t, that individual should be banned from hockey rinks and sentenced to a season ot WNBA basketball.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the argument. That the three MVP candidates legitimately faced qualitatively different competition. The more specific breakdown is “Sedin played against terrible competition, AO played against OK competition, and Crosby played against the best players on the other team every night.”
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s hilarious. Have they even looked at the point differentials between the Eastern and Western conferences last year? I’m not sure the worst team in the West wouldn’t have made the playoffs in the East last year (I’m talking about talent, not points here)
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, Edmonton was brutal.
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Good point. Forgot about them. But there aren’t many others like that in the West. Sedin faced tougher competition because he played against better teams.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No way CBJ qualifies in the East, either.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I could spin a case for Columbus, but it’s not terribly credible.
I can’t even spin a case for Edmonton.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll give you the teams that finished 1-13 in the West, though. But not Edmonton and Columbus.
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If EDM didn’t have so many injuries…
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by red army line on Jul 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically either teams don’t line match against VAN or VAN is exceptionally skilled at getting Sedin away from the checkers. Turns out, when Sedin gets away from the checkers, he scores more. Therefore he must have feasted on poor competition.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s even more striking when you realize that Crosby doesn’t have to play against one of the best teams in the Atlantic.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And got how many goals on the final game of the season against which weak sister?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This was over at Pensburgh during the weekend.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
was it done by that same guy who says Nick Backstrom is overrated because he plays in the SE and with Ovechkin?
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The guy that started the Koivu or Backstrom debate.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
he really seemed to know what he was talking about. Absolute genius.
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The whole division effects thing is completely stupid. The average SE team gave up 250 goals last year and the average ATL team gave up 227, that’s about a 10% difference. If the Pens and Caps switched divisions the Pens would get 8 more games a year against the SE, 10% of the season. 10% more goals for 10% of the season is 1%, or about 1 extra point a year for a guy like Crosby.
I stopped in the Kettler pro shop to pick up a few things for friends and family members who made requests from back home, and I also got a nice Brooks Laich jersey that he signed so I could donate it to my buddy TJ’s golf tournament at the end of the month.
He’s talking about Oshie, right?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
Joe Finley on OFB.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
"I actually had to change my stick," he said in flawless English. "I got a bigger blade." The sort of blade he was accustomed to using in Sweden, he added, was too small for the quick tempo scrimmages he played at the Kettler Capitals Iceplex and the "pucks kept jumping over it."
Someone is going to have to explain to him that the ice is only going to make that problem worse if he actually makes the Caps. He may want to think about getting a canoe paddle.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
The past week, he said, has been "pretty difficult," though a good learning experience. "It is a different game. It is smaller ice surface," Johansson said. "It is not as much neutral zone hockey as it is back home. It is more straight to the net and dump and chase than it is back home. So it is a pretty big difference, but it is a fun game."
Dump and chase? Which team was he skating with this week?
Also, I talked to K_C this weekend and apparently one of his friends (big NJD fan) says that both Josefson and Tedenby are expected to make NJD out of camp. That should give them some help up front, especially Tedenby (I think he’ll be able to make a more immediate impact). Then with potentially Mackan, OEL, MPV, and whatever other Swedes manage to crack the NHL this year, it should be a great rookie year for Swedes this season (no shock after the 2009 draft). I fully expect at least one Swede to finish as a Calder finalist.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
On a related note, do NJD ever actually improve? It seems like they stay stagnant over the years while others continue getting better.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Well as I said to K_C, “good thing they have Tedenby and Josefson coming in just in time for them to not pay Parise.” They don’t seem to have improved ever since the Scotts left, but they haven’t fallen off either. Right now you know they have to be “what if”-ing the Kovalchuk trade. Bergfors, Tedenby, Josefson would be a great young group of Fs to bring in together.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
They don’t seem to have improved ever since the Scotts left, but they haven’t fallen off either
Exactly; thats what I meant by stagnant. I’ve never understood the worship of Lamiorello (sp?) to be honest.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he built one of the best teams in the league for the decade between lockouts.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Before my time, friend. I’ve been witness to Gomez, Rolston, Elias contracts, etc.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Gomez wasn’t NJD, they let him walk because they didn’t want to match the Rags’ offer. Rolston was bad, but I’m not sure how you can knock the Elias one. He’s the franchise leader in basically all offensive categories and was a key piece of 2 SCF teams. He’s probably overpaid at this point, but I don’t know how they could have let him go.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s talk Delly.
I spoke (separately) with a couple of folks whose opinions I respect tremendously about Della Rovere, and they were each of the general opinion that he has peaked as a player – OHL star who isn’t going to be able to find another gear and take it to the next level. This corroborates, to an extent, the way he has been used in very limited time in Hershey (unplayable and stapled to the bench in last year’s playoff appearance(s), etc.).
Needless to say, this coming season would seem to be a big one for his development and future. Can he “get it” at the AHL level? Can his game evolve a bit? Does he have the size and speed to play there?
On a related note, one of those folks thinks that Bruess is about 75% of the on-ice bastard that Delly is, but with more upside as an actual hockey player.
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WHat I saw from both last week is that they will be competent AHL level players. I didn’t see a clear indication that either has what it takes in terms of playing the game within the rules to make the bigger jump. But they certainly are entertaining to watch.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the two guys with whom I spoke aren’t so confident on Delly’s ability to be a competent AHL level player.
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Interesting. Not even AHL? That’s pretty condemning. Do they think his skating is that bad? He was never expected to be a scorer and he isn’t a patently horrible skater.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Had nothing to do with his scoring or really his skating. More to do with his hockey sense, ability to adjust to the speed of the game (positionally, system-wise, etc.) and so on. He was apparently just completely lost on the ice every time he stepped out there in HER. Not sure how a guy who did well for himself at WJCs can’t make the transition to AHL speed and systems, but we shall see, I suppose.
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Yeah that was my thought. He was picked for the WJC specifically to match against other elite players, and he did pretty well. Obviously the skating is a big step above when you turn pro, but if he could skate with the elite guys in the WJC, why can’t he make the same skating improvements everyone else will be expected to make? The guy barely got a look in HER and was coming from a completely different team/system. I guess you could say that he should have already known the system, but not working on it for a full year and then stepping in during the playoffs is a huge task. If you can disclose, were the people you spoke to inside or outside the organization? I’d say this year in HER will be a big one for SDR, but I don’t see how it’s fair to write him off at this point, and I’d be shocked if the organization was writing him off.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone was necessarily writing him off, but rather likening him to similar guys they’d seen come through the OHL and hit their respective ceilings there. His game stagnated a bit this past year, in their eyes, so there’s less confidence that it’ll improve in a tougher environment than if he’d continued on the upward trajectory he was previously on.
And these were non-org folks.
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I can respect that position. I just think it’s premature. The big thing I’d point out is that his role changed in a big way this year. He wasn’t asked to be an offensive player in Barrie this season, so he didn’t put up the same points or the same game. I’d look at the two WJCs. He was asked to play the same exact role in both, and IMO he did a better job this year. He was still a pest, but he didn’t take as many dumb penalties and was more focused on playing hockey. I thought he did his job well and was an absolute beast on the boards. Also, his ability to adapt his game, or his mindset (phrase it how you want), and cut down the nonsense and just focus on hockey at least indicates that he’s not stupid and he can think about what he needs to do and execute. He’s not out there running around on emotion. If he did the same stupid stuff this year in the WJC I’d be more concerned. I’m still holding out hope.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think its fair to speculate, especially given what happened late last year. However, I think its too early to start projecting him. I want to see him play in the minors for a year or two first. I’ve always felt he has more skill than similar type of agitators. I think he just needs to learn how to use it more and agitate less. As F&B mentions above, the kid works for the puck. Hard to teach work ethic like that.
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I know where you are going, but decision making can be taught. I have found its easier to teach than work ethic.
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I agree that it’s easier to teach decision making to someone who already has the work ethic to work his ass off each shift than it is to teach that work ethic to someone that understands it all. It’s like Kovalev, he’s got the skills and hockey sense (when he’s) working, but he hasn’t got the work ethic.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but I don’t see where the intelligence knock is coming from. Team Canada told him to calm down, he did. So he was out of position against in a more skilled league after a full year of not practicing the system. Not a big deal to me.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Late in the Colts’ season, Barrie was up 2-0 in a meaningless game. They had their backup goalie in, and then the other team got a goal. Delly immediately went and scored two goals in quick succession just to make the statement that the Colts were not gonna let this team eff with his goaltender.
I really liked that kind of spirit.
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That might have been the most enlightening five minutes of the whole day.
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by CapitalCentre on Jul 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Maybe we should just ride the ’vators up and down all day at rookie camp.
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Sorry – that should read “Trevor ‘I ♥ Galiev’ Bruess.”
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She was kind of interesting.
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by Whiter Mage on Jul 19, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting take. I am in no position to say whether SDR has peaked, but I am pretty confident he’ll never stop working. I’m not holding the AHL playoffs against him. That was an absolutely stacked team and they already had older, more physically mature guys playing the role he would have. Eakin got in over SDR because he’s faster and they needed a guy to take a more offensive role with A-Gordon injured. SDR is probably going to be a 4th line player for HER this year (I’d love to see him and Bruess centered by Pinner). I’m just not sure how you can say any of these guys have really peaked. There’s a lot of developing left to do and if a guy has the work ethic I could see them improving. Bruess may have more upside, but only because he’s not as far on the development curve.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Couple years in the A for him, you think?
Related, but when Bruess was signed, nice comment/near prediction in that thread by sccf, considering how camp went:
So does Joe Finley beat the hell out of him at training camp next year?
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 19, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely at least 2 years in the A. I could see 3 as well. He’s not a guy that is going to get by on explosive skill so he probably won’t be ready immediately. He is going to need to fine tune the little things, and fully physically mature. For his game, if he’s not filled out he’s not going to be able to do his job against NHL players. I don’t think there’s any real rush with him, but he does need to show steady improvement.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The kid’s 20. I don’t think you can write him off quite yet. He hasn’t even had a season in the AHL or ECHL. Seems premature.
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Regarding your two guys, can you give some general (very general) idea of their qualifications as talent evaluators, without speaking out of turn.
For instance, are they informed amateurs (like us), or are they perhaps more qualified than that?
I specifically want to avoid asking you to violate a confidence here, I should note.
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Yeah, I can’t really say much more about them other than that they’ve certainly seen more hockey at lower-than-NHL levels than I have, so they’ve seen their fair share of Della Roveres (that sorta rhymes) through the years.
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Gotcha. We’ll see if SDR stagnates at HER this year.
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so was the evaluation based upon their observations at camp? Or have they been watching SDR for a while now?
I ask because I watched the WJC specifically to watch him, and I came away impressed. At this point he’s still young and plays a role that does not stand out as a “finesse” or “pretty” game. I’ve always assumed he’d be a 4th line wing who can forecheck really hard and make every shift a pain in the ass for the opposing team.
If the opinion is based solely on camp, then I’m not ready to give up on him yet. Heck we still have Erskine and Sloan on our NHL roster after all.
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by can't skate on Jul 19, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s based on watching him since the Caps drafted him.
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then that is concerning. Could you ask them about Erskine and Sloan?
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If SDR was completely gassed at the end of the year and simply wasn’t himself by the time he got to Hershey, it wouldn’t be the first time a prospect gave a bad impression at the end of the year after playing more games in a season than he ever had before.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Lambert:
The Capitals had a fanfest on the last day of development camp, and 3,000 people showed up. No word on how many left when they realized Alex Ovechkin(notes) wasn’t there.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, I laughed.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs to stick with the rock-farming jokes.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really, he should only be allowed out of the basement/bathroom when USA plays Canada.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much. And yet he’s a Flames fan.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Who lives in…Boston.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually yeah there is word on how many left because AO wasn’t there. Zero.
Many, many more left because they couldn’t even make it in the building. Ass.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
How many years does this fanbase have to put in before dicks like him shut the hell up, huh?
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Until they win a Cup. Which I know makes no sense and in fact would objectively lead to more bandwagon fans, but there you go.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s all start giving Vancouver a hard time.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
We don’t already?
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Just read the Nashville blurb – its so uninformed it’s laughable. Take a look at the depth chart, jackass. Lundmark’s an Admiral.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Also related:
Boston Bruins: Oh that whole “the Bruins are in cap trouble” thing you heard so much about? Yeah don’t make a thing about it. Both Tim Thomas(notes) and Marc Savard(notes) will be Bruins on opening night. What kind of IDIOT would think the Bruins were in cap trouble? Don’t be silly.
Of course, the article he links to is by Kevin Paul Dupont, and makes a fairly reasonable argument as to how the Bruins can navigate their cap troubles without trading Savard, and making the point that there’s no way the team will be able to trade Thomas. And Dupont makes a decent argument against the conventional wisdom that the Bruins are screwed with regards to their cap, because hey, Marco Sturm is going to be on LTIR until at least November.
It’s a decent article, and Lambert just dismisses it with a brief reference to the CW.
Good writin’, there.
Unrelated but in the article is his inability to realize how Kovalchuk’s signing changes the market.
Lambert is bad at the game of writing about hockey.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 19, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
In what sense? What player is going to see his asking price go up based on what Kovalchuk signs for? Or down for that matter. The Ovechkin deal seems to have an effect on Kovalchuk only in Kovalchuk’s mind (to extend the notion of high-end contracts influencing one another). This is a weak free agent class in a depressed market (that is also hedging on what the next CBA might look lke). Mikko Koivu’s contracts might have more effect than whatever deal Kovalchuk signs.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure what angle SME was going at, but it does open the market back up at wing. I think the reason you haven’t seen a lot of the wingers sign yet is because teams/players are waiting to see who gets Kovy and what kind of deal he gets. Whoever doesn’t get him, assuming its just a two team race between LA and Jersey, will probably sign one of the remaining FA’s.
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This. And it will also probably open up some players a bit more too because they’ll potentially have more suitors at their door.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think teams are waiting more on arbitration results and see who takes a walk.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
And the Gagne sweeps. There is a lot going on an it’s all interrelated as far as the market for players.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That might be part of it as well, however I don’t see a lot being out there after arb hearings, Heck, a ton of guys normally sign before the hearings even take place.
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I think it’s more likely that teams are waiting for arbitration results to see which teams will need some cap relief and be ripe for trades. There are some potentially interesting hearings scheduled, including another round of “what will Chicago do next” with Niemi’s arbitration pending.
I think to some extent Alex Frolov, Alex Ponikarovsky, and Lee Stempniak will have their values determined by Kovy’s deal. They all have the ability to pot 25-30 goals, so when a 50 goal scorer is signed it may help set their price. Especially Frolov.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus, 28 teams in two conferences are waiting to see if they will have to plan to defend against Kovalchuk 6 times a year or 1, and plan on meeting him early in the playoffs or in the SCF.
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Not sure I buy that. Most teams aren’t going to go make any moves because a rival signed Kovalchuk.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed – each Conference already has Kovalchuk-level (or better) guys in it.
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Related: how the hell do you set a price on Stemniak? It’s well-documented that he scored 14 goals in 18 games for PHX after scoring 14 in the first 62 for TOR and 14 the previous season (and 13 the season before that). Tough guy to price.
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Agreed. There’s no way to know what to expect. If he gets more than a 2 year deal I’ll be very surprised. One year is the most likely.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If he does well this year, that’s a pretty serious indictment of Ron Wilson
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Though you could say he didn’t have much to work with in TOR.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think for Poni and Frolov, yes. The losers in the Kovalchuk sweepstakes might go after them just because they’re much cheaper thank Kovalchuk, or teams that aren’t willing to sign him for the $$ (i.e. the Islanders) would like a good forward for cheap.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we be a loser? I’d like to get Frolov.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
I thought the Caps were looking to deal with their center problems?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Sign Fro, trade Semin for a C, everyone gets what they want.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
How about we do that without the “sign Fro” part?
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by J.P. on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It would depend on the C coming back our way, for me.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Of course. I’m just saying I’d rather not have anything to do with the poor man’s Semin (Froyo).
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Even if he could be had for $3m or so? He’s a good, responsible player that would probably put up like 30 goals over here.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Nope. I’ve got no reason to believe he’s going to show up when the chips are down, and that’s the kind of player the Caps need now.
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He couldn’t even make Team Russia, and that team was terrible!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He should have made the team over half the KHL guys. Can’t blame him for the shitty GMing and coaching of that team.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you’ve been out of the loop for most of the off-season.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to get Frolov.
Talk to some LA fans about that. I could see him being the solution to a problem for the Rangers or Bruins, but he sounds like a terrible fit for the Caps. More of what the Caps already have lots of, and none of what the Caps need.
He’d be like another Fleischmann.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness, Frolov’s rep is that he’s enigmatic, but defensively responsible in addition to 25-30 goal talent. Comparing him to Flash is harsh if that’s actually the case – Flash doesn’t play that kind of defense and I’d be amazed to see Tomas put together a 30g year.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This. The big knock on Frolov is that “he doesn’t look like he cares” and similar crap. I know this characteristic drives people crazy (Kozlov), but if his salary was reasonable, I’d take him.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
It is precisely because he resembles Kozlov in production that I don’t think he’s a fit for this team. Lots of talent, but the regular season gear is the only one he’s got (when he uses it). There is no higher gear. We’ve seen enough of that. It’s a recipe for playoff failure.
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I could live with him, but I also hate the Kozlov comparison and I don’t think he’ll accept a contract that is reasonable for the Caps.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
As an LA fan. . .this is pretty much Frolov.
He doesn’t have the amazing raw talent Semin has, but doesn’t completely dissapear like Semin for long periods of time.
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I’d add my latest favorite Russian to that list as well, Maxim Afinogenov.
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I’m very surprised you are on the Afinongenov train. That guy is destined to disappoint fans.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither do I on a team I pull for.
I just love watching the guy play…in the offensive zone. He was fun to watch in ATL and for Team Russia this past year.
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I’ve called him Crazy Legs since his BUF days. The guy just has so much going on, but you are right that he can be very exciting and he was definitely one of the best Russians at the Olympics (yet another sign your Olympic team failed).
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s like Steve Nash. A guilty pleasure. Not someone I want on my team because he won’t play both ways, but fun to watch.
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I’d take Steve Nash over Afinogenov.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In a soccer or basketball game I would too.
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He’s Canadian so I’m sure he’s better than Afinogenov in hockey too. I bet he doesn’t even need a visor.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom Poti would probably recommend a visor
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He looks like Dib from Invader Zim.
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Invader Zim reference, well done.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 19, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d love it Afinogenov signed somewhere out in the west (or KHL). I don’t want him on the Caps but he does seem to produce against the Caps an awful lot (or maybe I am biased by recalling specific goals, but peeking at his splits he’s been pretty good).
You may get your wish. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Kings take a run at him now that they lost the Kovy sweepstakes.
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I’d rather have Afinogenov
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Even in Frolov’s worst season after the lockout, he put up 50+ points. Frolov has had injuries, but he hasn’t missed more than 15 games in a season as a result of them. Afinogenov, by contrast, has played fewer than 65 games in 6 out of his 10 NHL seasons, and had a couple of 20 point seasons towards the end of his time in Buffalo.
Frolov also occasionally plays defense, from the few times I’ve watched him play.
For the Kings or in general?
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In general.
I can understand not wanting to pay Frolov $5 million (if that’s what he’s asking), but I really, really doubt he gets that in the end (unless someone in the KHL decides to pay him that sort of money). With Afinogenov, you may get a player for half that price, but he’s going to be just as disinterested, and you can never be sure if you’re going to get the point-per-game player or the guy who plays 52 games and nets you 20 points. But you can also be pretty certain you’re not going to get the Afinogenov that plays D.
I’m with you. Whatever flaws apply to Frolov also apply to Max, and Frolov is the better and more versatile player.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
To be clear, so am I as long as money isn’t involved.
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I was factoring in money
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 20, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think putting Lee Stempniak in that group is pretty friggin’ generous. He caught fire with an absurdly high shooting percentage at the end of the season, but for his whole career he’s been a 15G player, except when he’s shooting 16% on the year, or 29.2(!) for the games after the trade deadline. He’s had a couple of seasons where he shot high percentages with the Blues (14% and 16.3%), but he’s also had years where he’s shot 7% and 8%. If we give him the benefit of the doubt and decide he’s a 12% shooter if we could play an infinite number of seasons, he’s still in the low 20s for goal scoring if he’s getting 160-200 shots, which is higher than his career numbers by a fair bit.
I think you have to price him as a 15-20 guy, rather than a 25-30 guy. Woe betides the team that does the latter.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe this is why he hasn’t signed yet. He’s been around long enough that no one is going to buy those PHX numbers as the benchmark. His agent can try all he wants and hope someone like a Sather falls for it, but I highly doubt it.
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Which is why I think he gets a one year “prove it” deal.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t thinkt here’s anything generous about putting Stempniak with Poni, but that’s because I don’t think all that much of the latter.
Agreed that Stemp is a ~18G guy.
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Well, it looks like Poni shoots more and higher percentage shots, but I haven’t checked the relative PP TOI, but yeah. Neither of them are amazing goal scorers.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if you buy into the Corsi-based “quality of competition” stats then Poni is one of the 20 most difficult players in the league to play against.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Corsi based QualComp is a perfect stat. I guess my nickname for him of My-Little-Poni is misguided.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the hysterical part, which I wish I had stuck around to point out. If the Corsi-based Qcomp stat is an accurate reflection of a players’ quality, then by definition AO has to be the highest quality player in the league, so he should win the MVP hands down. So to argue that AO’s Corsi-based rating isn’t a completely integrated evaluation implicitly undermines the value of the Corsi-based Qcomp!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess I underrate him based upon his performance in PIT.
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Yeah, and my comment was directed as a critique against QComp stats, not you. I agree that he’s not very good. When you are the jewel of the defending champs’ trade deadline and you play your way to the pressbox but the stat-heads have you in the top 20 most difficult opposition… well, something doesn’t smell right.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
…where had vastly better numbers by virtue of playing with the center who makes everyone around him better…
…even the cotton candy vendors!
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One of the best, if not the best line to come out of a development camp in the last few weeks, was by Tedenby…
“Although they were not teammates in the Swedish Elite League—Tedenby played for league champion HV-71 and Josefson played for runner-up Djurgardens—they would call each other from time to time to check up.
They flew to the U.S. together on Saturday and went into Manhattan Sunday to watch the World Cup soccer final.
"I like him very much," Tedenby said, half joking. "He’s like my brother—a brother from another mother.""
That is a great line. And it’s also my handle when I DJ
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
most disappointing summer movie conclusion since “The Village”
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Also, no press release? Just an announcement that there’s going to be a press conference tomorrow? Super lame.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
An announcement of an announcement (that’s not until tomorrow)…after the last two weeks that seems fitting, doesn’t it?
So who do they have to dump now? Certainly Kovalchuk isn’t signing for a 3.5 million cap hit.
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They’re going to have to dump a bunch of salary – Langenbrunner’s probably gone. I’m sure they’ll try to get rid of Zubrus and/or Elias, but both have contracts that are tough to move. And of course if they do that they’ll still need to fill out their forwards.
I just can’t imagine why this is a good idea. I didn’t think Kovalchuk was good for them in the short term, can’t figure out why they’d want him for more than that – especially with Parise due for a raise next summer.
Also…makes that Arnott trade a little more confusing, no? As much as I like the guy, $4.5 million for another aging vet is a huge chunk of change – especially when you had your eyes set on someone like Kovy.
Doesn’t Zubrus have a no movement or no trade?
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Nope. Elias and Langenbrunner do, though…not that I think that’ll stop Lou for a minute. Do you really think anyone’s going to say no to that guy?
For some reason the words “I’m gonna make him an offer he can’t refuse” keep running through my head…
Because you are racist?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You know I’m joking ,right?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
A real friend stabs you in the front.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Langenbrunner has a NTC. The Devils are a mess, cap-wise. They have players they can’t move either for age, dollars, or contract status (NMC/NTC). If Kovalchuk signed for a $6.5M cap hit, they’d still be more than $5M over the cap and only 20 roster sports (according to capgeek.com).
They can fit Parise under the cap next year, since Arnott and Langenbrunner come off the books ($7.3M combined). But they’ll still be up against it with Parise’s raise and whoever they get to fill those two roster spots.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a mildly ridiculous fact: the Devils have 9 guys with NMCs or NTCs. That’s the second most in the League, behind only Calgary…because that’s a team you want to be lumped in with right now.
by Becca H on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Makes PHI look good.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
For as little as I know, you’re echoing a lot of my thoughts. Langenbrunner, Salvador and Rolston have a no trade, but not a no move — are you saying they’ll bury one of them in the AHL (or threaten it)? Zubrus might have a taker in a salary floor team like the Islanders, maybe?
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by J.P. on Jul 19, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by J.P. on Jul 19, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Green this shall be.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
…he’s a wing.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They say the same thing about Tomas Fleischmann, but it hasn’t stopped Boudreau
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Have to wait and see the cap hit, but it is likely the Devils only need to move one contract.
Rolston’s contract ideally, but almost impossible to move that contract.
Most think Salvador is a good possibility to be moved and there has been chatter about Langenbrunner including possibly back to Dallas.
It helps that the Devils have a number of prospects on ELCs to fill in remaining roster spots.
Tedenby and Josefson are probably joining, so that’s two players that are cheaper and probably an upgrade over the veterans they have.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll say it now. I will be shocked it Parise’s next contract is with any team other than the NJD.
Also, it is worth noting that Parise is RFA after this season, not UFA.
Agreed. No chance Lou chose Kovalchuk over Parise – he knew he could keep both before he went after this new deal with IK17.
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Agreed. But I do think there’s a distinct possibility that in keeping Parise and signing Kovalchuk Lou fucks their cap structure so that they lose other quality players over the next decade.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk is also entering the period of time, historically, when production begins to decline for players. Of course, Kovy’s declining production would be welcome just about anywhere – but not at an exorbitant cap hit.
If his average is over $8 million (and I think it will be far less), I’ll be stunned at Lou’s balls.
by S h a g g y on Jul 19, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They’d better hope those guys on ELC’s really are bargains and outperform their compensation. If not, they start to look like Tampa Bay around 2007.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Chesnokov tweet
Kovalchuk’s mother tells Pavel Lysenkov of Sovetsky Sport that Kovalchuk’s deal with #NJD is for 17 years.</blockquote
Rick Dipietro must be really happy right now.
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Depends on the terms. Might be a smart contract for the Devils.
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Oh, I just mean, I’m really offended by the Pronger/Hossa style cap manipulations. So shady.
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How so? They aren’t doing anything against the rules of the CBA.
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I’d be willing to wager quite a bit that it’ll be against the rules of the next CBA, though.
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I don’t disagree. My point is that it isn’t against the rules of the current one.
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And, without putting words on winterion’s fingertips, I inferred from the above “shady” as meaning “it just doesn’t feel right that they can do such a thing,” not, “It’s illegal.”
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You’re right. They’re not breaking the rules. The spirit of them, perhaps, but not the rules themselves. (afaik.)
My ethical standards are higher than “just barely ethical enough to avoid prosecution”.
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I don’t even think it breaks the spirit either. The money will still go against your cap eventually. The cap is basically there to make labor costs a known factor and from the owners POV keep them down as well.
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that cap hit will come off when Kovy retires. He’ll make $500,000 a year to not play hockey the last 5 or so years of the contract, and the 6 million of so cap hit won’t be on New Jersey’s books. Same with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Hossa.
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Huh. I must have misread part of the CBA. I thought it was still a cap hit regardless of whether the guy was still playing or not.
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That’s 35 and over.
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by red army line on Jul 19, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
only if its an over 35 contract. So, yes, we can all laugh at Philly together :)
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If that’s true, that’s disgusting – because he’ll definitely be playing hockey at 44.
It’s positively “Cheliosian!”
And just think… some kid who is six months old right now might skate against Kovalchuk after being drafted first overall in 2027.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh...makes sense
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Why did it have to be that picture? ;)
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
When is Zajac up? Surely they can’t keep Parise and Zajack now.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
‘k. Also, who the hell put a ’k’ at the end of my second Zajac?!
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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I’m hearing the Devils have signed Kovalchuk.
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by J.P. on Jul 19, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chesnokov reports Kovalchuk to St. Louis.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, yeah, Alexei Kovalchuk… played for the Rangers, Pens, and Habs, right?
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by ThePeerless on Jul 19, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that guy.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
7 years 60 million, as reported, would mean $8.570M per year cap hit. Of course, since we don’t use regular math in the NHL, I suspect his cap hit will be closer to 7M.
That’d still put them at least 3 million over the cap.
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How many contracts do the Caps have right now? Please include Flash, who is likely to resign.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
I’d love it if Flash resigned. I’ll hate it when he inevitably re-signs.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
44? (based on what I saw over at capgeek.com)
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It’s 45 with Nylander and Eakin, which will go to 43 once Eakin is sent back to the W and Nylander is sent… wherever. 44 with Flash.
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Hopefully
With the IK17 signing NJD just announced this breaks the dam of the slow Free Agency season and it starts up again.
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You’re talking about at Kettler, right?
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man, Ovie speeding the Cup down the spiral express ramp in his latest car is going to be awesome. Wysh will be so jealous!
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Every GM is entitled to at least one crappy major free agent deal – and Lou just cashed his in.
I think this deal sucks for NJ. Kovalchuk just never seemed at home to me in that system.
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Well, with the soul sucking vampire gone, the system will likely change.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 19, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t fool yourself. Even without Darth Vadar the Emperor is still pure evil.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not dork. Geek.
BTW, I was looking for a review of your Saturday afternoon over in the OT thread.
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it was ok. lots and lots of young kids. I’ve always liked the music so that’s what I was going for. I could have done without the movie clips, laser light show, and Anthony Daniels. But hard to complain too much when the Imperial March is the encore piece, which was played without any of the extra stuff.
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Because Kovalchuk on that Devils team was so dominant this year…
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 19, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What their performance against the Flyers didn’t inspire dreams of a future Cup?
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Not for the Devils!
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jul 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how you can look at the moves the Devils made this summer and think this is the same team returning. Also, there’s very likely at least one more move to be made by Lamoriello.
Out on D: Martin and Skoula
In on D: Volchenkov and Tallinder
(plus some young players like Corrente who played 2 games in the playoffs; and maybe even Urbom will see some playing time this season)
Mottau UFA
Forwards: Pandolfo bought out; Peters bought out, also; Rob Niedermayer signs with Buffalo; Dean McAmmond (a slight possibility he returns)
Kovalchuk and Clarkson re-upped
Traded for Arnott (Halischuk went to Nashville as part of that trade)
Goaltending: Hedberg brought in to back-up Brodeur; Danis out
Coaching Staff: Lemaire retires; MacLean named head coach (note: he coached some of the younger players in Albany last season) and Oates brought in as asst coach from outside the organization to focus on PP, faceoffs, etc.
Agreed – they’re a new team. And while they may be screwed down the road, but they’re a damn formidable team in 2010-11, methinks.
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Anyone know what kind of system MacLean runs? Anything has to be more uptempo than Lemaire, of course.
Re Kovalchuk, the reports are 17 years, $100+ million…which puts his cap hit around $6M. Very low for a guy of Kovy’s caliber.
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not so fast, my friend
Kovalchuk has signed a 17-year deal which could top $150 million
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a misreading of Chesnokov’s 100M + 50M tweet…I’ll wait to see the contract term/dollars before commenting on the contract itself.
Its from Scott Burnside, not Ches.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying I think it could be a mis-read of this tweet or someone summarizing this tweet:
" dchesnokov: Kovalchuk made over $50m up until now in his career. This $100m+ deal makes him the world’s richest hockey player."
Not sure where he’s getting his “over $50m” from, unless it’s including other-than salary, in which case so should the number going forward, and then it should be compared to that of other players, which is obviously impossible. So yeah – crap tweet.
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“Could”…does this mean there are potential performance bonuses in the contract? It sticks in my head that only young guys and old guys can have performance bonuses?
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That’s what I thought. $150M makes no sense. If it’s anything over $7M in AAV, I’ll be real surprised.
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Now they (Burnside) say > $150m total including what he made in ATL, which would make this a ~$115m contract, or ~$6.75m. Believable.
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Again, I believe he misread someone else’s tweet or someone else summarizing that earlier tweet.
Some people tweet too quickly…as an example, I wonder how many followers Milard (sp?) is going to lose as a result of his Kovalchuk news.
Mirtle says that he thinks it’s between $6 – $7M in AAV.
Which makes plenty sense.
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Without seeing the details of Kovalchuk’s contract and even assuming what it will look like, I still fail to see how people assume they will be screwed down the road. Arnott is a one year player to fill in an absolute need at center, enabling Elias to move back to the wing, as well, and to give the youngsters time to acclimate to N.A. hockey. If he re-signs after 1 year, I doubt it will be a big cap hit contract.
I’m not saying things are perfect, but I don’t think it’s as horrible as some people make it out to be.
The really bad contract is the one to Rolston because it’s a 35+ contract. Zubrus contract isn’t pretty but it’s not horrible either for what he has provided to the team to date.
Not all of the NTCs are full NTCs, IIRC. And as we have seen, an NTC does not mean a player won’t be traded.
Lamoriello – FWIW, the Pandolfo buyout wasn’t cheap in the impact on the cap, but I respect how Lamoriello handled this given the situation last season with Pandolfo and his contributions to the Devils for many years.
They’ve got a ridiculous amount of money locked up in 12-14 guys for each of the next two years. It’s not as shitshow-y as Chicago’s cap situation and it’s easier to untangle, but they have a lot of money in a handful of guys and not a ton of organizational depth to fill in the holes.
I’m not saying it’s perfect, but it’s not as horrible as some people are making it out to be. They will have to move a contract and they’ve also proven in the past they’ll bury one if they have to do so.
Next summer looks more challenging than this summer, but still some options and it might be solved in part by the remaining move that’s made before this season opens. I don’t think it’s anywhere close to the Chicago mess as you note.
About the prospects/farm, they have been doing a good job of rebuilding these last few years after a few years where there was almost nothing. Tedenby, Josefson, Urbom, Corrente, Zharkov, Taormina, Henrique, etc.
They still have the 26th ranked Farm per HF.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, that’s terrible.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, while I’m an active poster over at HFBs, I am not a fan of their approach to ranking prospects or organizations, FWIW.
Waaaaaaaaait – are you telling me Nashville doesn’t have the top farm in the league?! ;)
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Related: though it is a Caps blog, it doesn’t mean you have to use the caps lock button.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
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I admit, I laughed. Props for the ‘>’ and ‘"’.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to imply anything about your activity there. Their prospect/farm ranking is definitely not perfect, but they do a more comprehensive job than anywhere else I’ve seen. I think the teams that have full time writers have a significant bias, but I don’t know how you address that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t saying you were implying anything about my activity, I was just making a comment with context.
No worries, I’m just trying to be clear.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t say I know all the farms that well, but I like the quality on NJ’s farm more than the quantity, but the quality/quantity is improving, too.
About Chicago and NJD, I wasn’t comparing the two rosters other than in the context of getting into a jam in any one off-season.
I am not defending all of Lamoriello’s moves or all of the contracts he has handed out, but I don’t think it is as dire as some people are making it out to be. Elias is still a very productive player and will be even more so if he doesn’t switch back and forth between center and wing. Staying healthy would help. The Rolston contract being a 35+ contract is painful. The Hedberg deal while a higher cap hit than I was expecting and is only 1 year and does include bonuses. Also, I do believe he will start more than other backups for Brodeur have started in past years.
I’m not nearly as sold as you are on the NJD farm. I like Josefson and Tedenby, and Corrente seems like he has a future in the NHL. After that I’m underwhelmed, though I might just be spoiled from looking at our farm. Losing Bergfors also hurts. After Parise I don’t see much talent to build around. Now they have Kovalchuk but I’m not sure that’s a good thing long term.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Urbom is going to make it, IMO, and a few others with time. Losing Bergfors hurts, I agree, I liked the kid. Not as deep as many organizations, but they’ve been rebuilding.
I’m not comparing it to the Caps anyway, just in the context of the Devils.
I’ve only ever seen the two Swedes. I’ve read a little about Corrente but I’ve never seen him. Have you seen Urbom and/or Corrente before?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It may not be as bad as Chicago, but they got their money locked up in a core of players that is far less talented than Chicago’s group.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 19, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The only core player I’m taking from NJ over his analog in Chicago is Parise. End of list.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much, unless you want to count Brodeur in there. For as overpaid as Campbell is there is a legitimate argument that he would be the best Dman on NJ now that Martin is gone. Then when you compare him to the #3 guy in NJ it’s not even close.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 19, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He is the highest quality competition D on CHI. Fact.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking like it may be Simon Gagne to Tampa Bay for some prospects.
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He’ll agree to go to Tampa??
Unbelievable…
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Ah, right. Well, there you have it.
Not so pleased about Gagne ending up with the TBL.
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I was already thinking that Tampa was going to be better this year, even before their acquisition of Gagne. I still think that Tampa needs to improve their defense before they can seriously contend.
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They have a great top 6, but don’t have the bottom 6 slots filled yet. And they need one or two good dmen to seriously contend.
Serviceable bottom sixers grow on trees. I don’t think there’s any onus on Yzerman to look for Madden or other reliable bottom six forwards until he fills the big minute D slots.
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by red army line on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
They have 3 top 4 dmen – Kubina, Ohlund, and Hedman. Although I think they would need 1 more top 4 dman – and maybe one to fill out the 3rd pair.
It looks like he’d want to either go after a 1D or fill out the rest of the slots with top-4s. At least, that’s what I see.
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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of guys seem to be hoping that Steve Yzerman will turn that shithole around.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
If they can get Dan Ellis/Mike Smith to work, I bet they make the playoffs (with Gagne).
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Smith sucks and is unreliable and you can’t convince me any differently. Dan Ellis is pretty sweet on the other hand, so it will certainly be interesting to watch.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
I’m guessing Ellis wins the job by December 1, then screws up in March and they miss the playoffs by a game or two.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Done deal for Gagne?
Saw this over at BSH:
RT @DNFlyers: Flyers source confirms Simon Gagne has indeed been traded to Tampa Bay. Waiting to hear on the return
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Gagne gives them one scary top six, when he’s healthy.
Their bottom six, however, and their D fail to scare me at all.
They’re better than they were last year. On paper, anyway. But, yeah, their D is still a problem. Ellis stabilizes the G situation, though.
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With a top six like that, it may not matter. Off the top of my head -
Downie/Stamkos/MSL
Gagne/Lecavalier/Malone
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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Oh man. I’m already giddy waiting to see how those Flyers fans embrace Smith.
I don’t like Gagne to TB one bit. Yzerman’s got that team headed in the right direction, alright. Today, 2 more conference foes got better, between TB and NJD.
The prospects being discussed are Tokarski, Tyrell, and Wishart, fyi. I think two of those three?
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Wow, Tokarski was supposed to be their dude within the next three or so years.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Take it all with a grain of salt at present – just putting stuff up as I come across it.
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Per Damian Cristodero of SP Times: It’s Gagne for Matt Walker and a fourth-round pick.
Wow. That’s not very much return, is it?
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It’s Matt Walker and a 4th-round pick.
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Shit. Nowhere near what I was expecting.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Mushy-headed player + desperation to unload him = shitty return.
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That’s true, but you have to think that TBL could win big here.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure they could, b/c the Flyers were dealing from a position of major weakness.
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Exactly. And Geoff over at BSH called this over a week ago. Everyone and their brother could see GMPH was going to get ripped off trying to move Gagne.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Holmgren didn’t exactly have a lot of leverage given his cap situation plus Gagne is one year from UFA and injury prone. Interesting, Walker’s salary escalates each year of that contract so Yzerman also removed some salary dollars compared to the cap hit for Walker…Gagne’s cap hit and salary are the same. (I like Gagne so I’m not saying he doesn’t have some value, but the injuries and Philly’s situation didn’t help Holmgren’s case.)
Except that GMPH is the guy responsible for PHI’s cap situation. They didn’t have to move Gagne until they signed that back up goalie and Shelley, and traded for Meszaros. It’s entirely GMPH’s fault. He took a SCF finalist and made them worse in a matter of 3 weeks, and didn’t even address their only one real weakness.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Just making sure. That guy deserves absolutely zero sympathy over this whole ordeal.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Was there sympathy in my post? I think it’s amusing how this has played out, SCF appearance or not. And I hope when the new CBA arrives that there is no out for teams with these 35+ contracts…because I laugh at the Pronger one still, even with the contributions he has made to their team.
Tone doesn’t come through well so I guess not. I just thought you took it easy on him.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude…damnit. I’d have rolled the dice on Gagne for that cost. Man.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But they might have bumped into him and hurt his brain.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
He had more playoff goals than like the entire Caps team combined, minus AO.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Tellin’ ya. At that price, I’m surprised there wasn’t more of a feeding frenzy. Matt Walker + a 4th? Isn’t Walker a bottom pair D on Tampa? Where would he play in Philly? Unless Philly is just going to waive him for the cap relief?
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Seravelli confirms that the Flyers probably stick Walker in the AHL to get rid of his cap hit.
Which means they traded Gagne for a 4th + filler.
Unbelievable.
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hahahaha
Tampa manages to unload both the Meszaros and Walker contracts on the Flyers, a $5.7-million cap hit the next three years.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Walker is signed for 3 years and with moving Gagne they removed a big cap hit. Walker’s salary escalates, but his cap hit is 1.7M. Seems more likely to be that they try to move someone like Carle.
Wow. That would be really surprising.
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I can’t freakin’ believe Yzerman pulled this off. Next thing you know, Ryan Malone is going to be a Flyer.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Walker has a $1.7M cap hit for the next three seasons?!?! Add $4M for Andrej Meszaros and you pay a whole lot for a whole little. There’s got to be a pony at the bottom of that steaming pile (another move is right).
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So, from needing a Goalie (with plenty available) and potentially a depth defenseman, with a nice amount of cap room to get them, the Flyers have gone to needing to unload Simon Gagne and another D man…
Wow.
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No, apparently Smith is not part of the deal.
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The fact that Downie is even considered a top 6 on that team…I know he did well with Stamkos and St. Louis but oy to the vey, he’s nowhere near as good. Gagne/Lecavalier/Malone would be scary, though. And actually if they bumped Gagne and Lecavalier up to the first line it would be even scarier.
They’ll be a really tough team in a few years if they can avoid imploding. Hedman’s a stud-in-training, they just need to address the rest of the D.
Downie is an ass, but 22 goals, 26 assists in legitimate enough production for top 6, especially when you factor in the psycho/physical aspect he can bring.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not necessarily arguing with results, because obviously they were a great line last year. But I have to think you put a lot of guys on that line and they do just as well (if not better). Hell, we’ve got a lot of people around here saying Brooks Laich is a 3rd-line guy and he put up 25 goals and 34 assists.
I just find Steve Downie to be part of that disgusting group of guys who all occasionally like to remind us they can sorta play hockey – in between concussing people and getting suspended and being absolute dirtbags.
I just find Steve Downie to be part of that disgusting group of guys who all occasionally like to remind us they can sorta play hockey – in between concussing people and getting suspended and being absolute dirtbags.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, he’s not in that group – not to me, at least. I’d flip it with him, he reminds us he can occasionally be a dirtbag in between stretches of being a halfway-decent hockey player.
Disagree, but whatever. I find him to be scum-of-the-earth type material.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you see him more than we do…but he never seemed to be anything more than a pest to me, whereas guys like Downie (and Carcillo and a few others) are absolute morons with occasional flashes of goal-scoring ability. Cheapshot artists just for the purpose of being cheapshot artists.
are absolute morons with occasional flashes of goal-scoring ability. Cheapshot artists just for the purpose of being cheapshot artists.
Like I said, you’re describing Burrows. Does jumping a foot off the ice and leading with his arm to hit someone, then turtling when someone came after him sound like Downie or Carcillo? Cause AB14 is guilty. (yeah, against NSH)
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh. I put him more in the Jordin Tootoo category myself…he’s not a dumbass, he’s a pest. I see a distinction between him and Downie-esque guys – and obviously I see the latter more often but from what I’ve seen over the years, Burrows has more of a legit hockey player in him. He does things to get under the skin of others but I at least believe he thinks about it. I don’t believe Downie or Carcillo have 5 brain cells between the two of them.
Downie or Carcillo have 5 brain cells between the two of them.
They don’t, but both are skilled. They just don’t realize it due the lack of said cells.
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And to come sorta full circle, Carcillo’s CHL numbers look a lot like SDR’s.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Burrows is in a different category. Crossing the line occasionally when hitting is different from some of the flat out attempts to injure people with cheap shots that Downie and Carcillo have pulled.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 19, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but more for the diving than the cheap shotting.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Its the whole package. His dive and subsequent convulsing on the ice in order to get Jerred Smithson a gamer earlier this year was disgusting. He got right up after the ref ejected Smithson.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were a Lightning fan, I’d find it hard to root for Downie, but I also see him as a skilled player who has rocks between his ears. If he can limit the number of times he does something really stupid, he could be really effective.
Remember, Cas fans, Dale Hunter was a favorite of everyone, and he did some really stupid and dirty things in his career — one that is borderline Hall-of-Fame worthy.
And that will probably keep him out of the Hall-of-Fame.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
As will the simple fact that he doesn’t belong there, as much as I love him.
He definitely did some stupid and dirty things in his career but Huntsy wasn’t stupid and dirty overall – it was one aspect of his game but not the entirety of it. He was also a tremendous leader and a guy with decent offensive abilities. I don’t see Downie putting up over 1000 points in his career.
Hunter absolutely belongs in the HoF given the current standard.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, and he was also a more productive player than either of those guys. He knew when it was time to play hockey and when it was time to start the end of Turgeon’s career.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He knew when it was time to play hockey and when it was time to start the end of Turgeon’s career.
that would make one hell of a HoF plaque.
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And he learned to go to the bakery on their PP…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you move Gagne/Vinny up? Stamkos and St. Louis are very obviously the top line. And if Downie continues to do that well with them then it works fine.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Gagne, Lecavalier and St. Louis have great chemistry together. It’s certainly an option, I’d be shocked if we didn’t see those 3 together at least a few times this year.
If Gagne fits in well, TB can certainly be that 8th team this year. Given that St Louis destroys the Caps, let us all be plenty prepared for another 1st round exit.
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If Tampa’s 8th, I don’t really want to be 1st. I really hope fate gives TBL the chance to knock PHI out.
I’m not worried about it. St. Louis feasts on the Caps but there’s a Cap-killer on just about every team, that can’t be a reason to be afraid. And you only have to look at the numbers of Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom and friends against the Lightning to know that it works both ways. If anything I like the Caps chances more against TB, particularly a more improved TB, than I did against the Habs this year. The team plays better when the competition is tough.
Of course there’s no guarantee the Caps finish 1st overall, either, let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
I’m buying TB for 8th as well. They looked much better in the 2nd half last season. Their PP is lethal. They’ve still got too many holes to win another Cup, but I definitely see them as a likely playoff team.
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Could see them making it, depending on if Ellis stays healthy, if Downy reprises his production, and they have no significant injuries to the Top 6.
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Certainly injuries could play a role, especially given their lack of depth.
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For the life of me I can’t find a compiled database showing man-games lost to injury, but my impression is that the Bolts had relatively few injuries last year. Vinny, MSL and Gagne all have some pretty good miles on their tires, so you’d espect them to at least lose a few games in there.
Also of note: TBL scored 80 points last year, about 13 short of what it normally takes to make the playoffs. They had a -43 goal differential (second worst in hte East, to TOR).
So they’ve got some significant ground to make up.
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Given what there is right now in the rest of the East I think that roster is good enough. Just like last year I’m underwhelmed with the EC in general.
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Agree with you on the EC in general. I see lots of questions for Tampa, but I guess you can say that about every team. I do agree that they’re better now than when they finished the year.
Regarding NJD and that last issue, where do you sit? I’m torn. I don’t particularly like Volch + Talinder for Martin and Skoula. But they’ve got more firepower with Kovy. Not sure how MacLean’s system (whatever it is) will play out, either.
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They will be a good team, but Marty is finally showing some age. The defensive swap is a bit of a wash. What type of system they will run may be the biggest issue. That team has some horses if they open things up.
I still think the Flyers are better. I thought that last season as well and the Devils finished higher, so what do I know.
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The Flyers got a whole lot weaker up front, even figuring Gagne misses some time with injury. They do have, of course, insane depth on the blue line.
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I think the blueline shuts down most teams, so the forward depth becomes less of an issue. And their forward depth isn’t all that bad. I also expect a better numbers out of JVR this year.
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Agree re. JVR. I put Giroux in the same boat as well.
The D does look like it will be stifling.
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Thinking about Philly, who do they have left at W? Off the top of my head I get Carcillo, Hartnell, Giroux, Zherdev, JVR…can’t think who else, but I’m sure they’ve got some pluggers.
Having to play Carcillo or Hartnell in a Top 6 position isn’t ideal, but it’s not horrible either.
I’m assuming Briere stays at C, of course.
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Answering my own question, it looks like they’ve got Nodl, Shelley, Cote, and Leino to choose from for the third and fourth lines.
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I know James Mirtle keeps track of that stat. I just tweeted him, as I couldn’t find an end of the season post on the stat. If he replies I’ll post it.
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Yeah, I loooked at Mirtle’s blog. In the past he went through all the game notes for every team (a herculean effort, which I’m not willing or able to replicate).
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Mirtle reply
No, but I’ve been meaning to. I’ll try and stick it up during a slow day next week.
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Thanks. I’m impressed that Mirtle replies to your tweets, btw.
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Yeah, me too. He’s always been responsive no matter the channel. Always comes across as a thoughtful and classy guy.
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Hated it when he left SBNation for greener pastures.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Same. I rarely check out From the Rink anymore.
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by CP2Devil on Jul 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, that blog kinda took a nosedive quick.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
wretched place now. I can’t believe what passes as “quality” over there these days.
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I can’t say too much, you understand – but I agree.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean? My favorite SBN blogger works there now. How could it have gone downhill?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, both of your favorites write there now!
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, true.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you thought Cory was alright?
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by red army line on Jul 19, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I do. I’ve got no problem with him.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 20, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
So who is the second one? The Sharks one?
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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe Fortunato. C’mon RAL, you were there for that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
(slaps forehead)
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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Their goaltending situation got a lot better with Ellis, Hedman, Stamkos and Downie are a year older, they just added Gagne…I think you could make a good case for them getting better. Playoffs better? I don’t know about that, but certainly better.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jul 19, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Stamkos is going to be an interesting case this year. 51 goals as a rookie is borderline miraculous. He’ll get game-planned-around this year, and if he has any sort of sophomore slump, I can see his numbers coming back down in a big way.
Of course, I said the same thing about AO, and I was wrong.
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Whoops. Right you are.
Could you buy a Junior slump?
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I will buy a big bag of “not getting 50 goals,” but I’m not sure I’d take any “slump” off your hands.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Was mainly joking to stave off embarrassment at such a ridiculous gaffe.
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Just trying to deflect for you!
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Owe you one, pal.
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Stamkos had 51 as a 2nd year pro. He had 23 goals 23 assists as a rookie, but was much better in the final 2 months of his rookie season than the first few.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Melrose effect.
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Eh, Melrose was gone by mid- November. Stamkos didn’t heat up until mid February.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 19, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming average to above average goaltending, I can see the Lightning making the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t count on Dan Ellis for above average goaltending. Not a good idea, we tried.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, I thought you were a major Ellis supporter?? Or am I getting this confused with your Pekka love?
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I love Dan Ellis the person, but Dan the Goalie is just not consistent enough to be the lead dog.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha. Has to be better than Smith, though, right?
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I’m always very impressed when Smith manages to skate from the bench to the net without falling down 3 times. Quite the accomplishment.
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For sure. Ellis is a perfect 1B, and he’s not a headcase.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want a laugh, go check out some of the comments at BSH. It really is amazing what Holmgren has done this offseason. That team should still be good, but man what an idiot. Even if you buy in to the philosophy behind his moves (whatever that is), getting essentially only a 4th round pick for Gagne is atrocious.
Glad I’m not the only one who thought that was a bad trade. Doesn’t Philly already have over 1/3 of their cap tied up in dmen? They should have gone for just picks, or a prospect instead of Walker.
Gagne deal
DNFlyers says Matt Walker and 4th round pick for Simon Gagne.
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Will be interesting to see how Kovalchuk’s contract informs Semin’s UFA year. Though I don’t think Sasha wants to be anybody’s “face of the franchise.” Too confining. He just wants to get paid.
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If Semin scores 35+ or maybe even cracks 40, he’ll get paid a bunch in some NHL city. I just hope (and think) it won’t be here.
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Interesting fact: both this year and last year, Semin has had a better point-per-game average than Kovalchuk.
just for fun, because I don’t want to write any more cover letters today, here are the top 30 point scorers from 2009-2010, sorted by PPG (Caps are bold):
Ovechkin (WSH), 1.51
H. Sedin (VAN), 1.37
D. Sedin (VAN), 1.35
Crosby (PIT), 1.35
Backstrom (WSH), 1.23
St. Louis (TBL), 1.18
Stamkos (TBL), 1.16
Semin (WSH), 1.15
Malkin (PIT), 1.15
B. Richards (DAL), 1.14
J. Thorton (SJS), 1.13
Gaborik (NYR), 1.13
Kovalchuk (ATL, NJD), 1.12
Kane (CHI), 1.07
Marleau (SJS), 1.01
Parise (NJD), 1.01
Green (WSH), 1.01
Alfredsson (OTT), 1.01
Heatley (SJS), 1.00
E. Staal (CAR), 1.00
Kopitar (LAK), 0.99
Stastny (COL), 0.98
Zetterberg (DET), 0.95
Perry (ANA), 0.93
Kessler (VAN), 0.92
M. Koivu (MIN), 0.89
Datsyuk (DET), 0.88
Eriksson (DAL), 0.87
Pelcankec (MTL), 0.85
Lecavalier (TBL), 0.85
D. Sedin and Malkin played in 63 and 67 games, everyone else had at least 70.
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How far down the list do you have to go before you hit another D?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 19, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I stop after the top 30, but Duncan Keith was 0.84. After that, looking at d-men, it’s Gonchar (0.80), Boyle (0.76), and Doughty (0.72). Markov actually had more ppg (0.76) than Doughty, but only played in 45 games this past season.
For my list, I only took the top 30 overall scorers, because I didn’t want to include guys that only played a few games and got lucky, or even 30 games and then got injured because it’s so hard to project if they could stay on the pace. it also means some people got left off that probably should be on there, like Toews.
I’m also noticing I have St. Louis at 1.18, but NHL.com has 1.15. probably a screw up on my part.
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Tampa Bay has gotten a whole hell of a lot better this offseason.
Additions: Simon Gagne, Pavel Kubina
Losses: Kurtis Foster, Alex Tanguay, Jeff Halpern, Todd Fedoruk, and a bunch of bottom-six forwards whose name you have never heard, nor will you likely hear them again.
Key RFAs/UFAs: Steve Downie
They have roughly 16 million in cap space, and they need to get another top-4 D-man, one 5th- or 6th D-man, and a handful (four or so) bottom-six forwards. Fortunately for Tampa Bay, the bottom-six forwards are available in the UFA market in spades. There are guys like Jed Ortmeyer, Aaron Asham, Richard Park, Darcy Tucker, Dominic Moore, Raffi Torres, Eric Belanger, Brendan Morrison, Kyle Wellwood, Wayne Primeau, Ryan Johnson, and others who could play in the bottom 6 on that team without breaking the bank.
The top-4 D is a more pressing need and harder to find at this point. Of course, any of Shaone Morrison, Brian Pothier, Denis Grebeshkov, Andy Sutton, Randy Jones, or Mike Mottau would be better than Mike Lundin, Matt Smaby, or Matt Lashoff. Oh, and the key guys they have to resign in the next few years are Stamkos (RFA in 2011), Victor Hedman (RFA in 2012), and maybe Brett Connolly (RFA in 2013 or 2014).
I have to imagine that Stevie Y can find two or three quality bottom-6 forwards, at least one D (maybe even two!), and resign Steve Downie for 6 million.
You forgot Dan Ellis under additions.
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by Chris Burton on Jul 19, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Belanger is rumored to be talking to TBL and OTT.
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Washington
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82 | 54 | 15 | 13 | 121 |
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Atlanta
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82 | 35 | 34 | 13 | 83 |
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82 | 35 | 37 | 10 | 80 |
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82 | 34 | 36 | 12 | 80 |
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Florida
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82 | 32 | 37 | 13 | 77 |
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