Caps Sign Five, Bourque to KHL
"The Washington Capitals have signed right wing Andrew Gordon, center Andrew Joudrey and defensemen Patrick McNeill and Zach Miskovic to one-year contracts and center Jay Beagle to a two-year contract, vice president and general manager George McPhee announced today. In keeping with club policy, financial terms of the deals were not disclosed." - Release (Note: Chris Bourque did not sign his qualifying offer and has informed the team of his intent to go to the KHL. The Capitals maintain his rights.)
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Gordon, 24, appeared in two games for the Capitals last season. The Halifax, Nova Scotia, native spent his third season with Hershey in the American Hockey League (AHL) where he scored 37 goals in 79 games. His 37 goals ranked second on the team and tied for second in the league, while his 71 points ranked third on the team. Gordon played in 17 playoff games, recording 20 points (13g-7a) to help the Bears win the Calder Cup championship. He was the Capitals’ seventh-round choice, 197th overall, in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft. In his career, Gordon has 74 goals and 167 points in 217 games for the Bears.
Joudrey, who turns 26 today, spent his third full season with Hershey in 2009-10. He recorded 19 assists and 34 points in 78 games and two assists and three points in 21 playoff games to help the Bears win the Calder Cup. The 5’11", 185-pound Joudrey has 54 assists and 89 points in 218 games with Hershey and eight assists and 10 points in 58 playoff games with the Bears, including two Calder Cup championships.
McNeill, 23, had 27 assists and 35 points in 62 games with Hershey last season, almost doubling his point total from the previous season. His 27 assists and 35 points ranked second on the team among defensemen behind John Carlson. The Strathroy, Ontario, native potted three goals and six points in 11 playoff games to help Hershey win the Calder Cup. McNeill was the Capitals’ fourth-round choice, 118th overall, in the 2005 NHL Entry Draft. He has played 156 games collecting 55 assists and 67 points in three seasons with the Bears.
Miskovic, who originally signed with Washington as a free agent in March 2009, recorded 20 assists and 26 points in his first professional season with Hershey. The 25-year-old Miskovic notched a goal and an assist in six playoff games for the Bears en route to the Calder Cup. Miskovic played four seasons at St. Lawrence University where he ended his collegiate career with 27 goals and 73 points. He had 16 goals his senior season leading all NCAA defensemen.
Beagle, 24, appeared in seven games for the Capitals last season and scored his first NHL goal on Nov. 23 at Ottawa. He played in 66 games for Hershey and potted 16 goals and 35 points. Beagle played in 21 Calder Cup games, notching seven assists and nine points as he helped lead Hershey to the Calder Cup championship. The Calgary, Alberta, native has played 10 career games for the Capitals netting one goal, one assist and four penalty minutes and played four Stanley Cup games with Washington during the 2008-09 season.
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I really enjoyed watching CB, maybe he comes back some day and finds a place. Can’t fault him for going though.
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I wish the best for Bourque – maybe he can prove himself enough in the KHL to earn a spot in the NHL in the future.
Glad to see the other 5 coming back.
He’s going somewhere they’ve never heard of his old man so that he can earn his way onto a team based on his own abilities.
Riiiiiiiight.
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But he’ll sure be paid more.
Ray Bourque is old enough that he didn’t make the crazy salaries today’s players make.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 15, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s obviously convinced he’s not going to get a shot here and figures he should go for the money. Rhetorically, because we don’t know, would he stay here if he had a one way contract, and therefore could make more money even if he didn’t make the NHL? I don’t blame him for his decision, but I also wonder if he’s going to decide that he made a mistake and want to come back home.
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According to Tim Leone, it looks like I may be right.
The contract with HK Atlant, which announced Bourque’s signing last month, is believed to be for $500,000 a year.
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by winterion on Jul 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s not that great a contract by NHL standards. But if Bourque didn’t make the NHL, he’d be getting AHL pay anyhow, which is less.
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It doesn’t get taxed in Russia, so it’s more than it sounds like. Would probably be closer to $700K in the NHL.
That has to do with how much time you spend abroad, I think… I’m sure his agent’s got it figured out.
There is a foreign earned income exclusion that permits a US citizen/resident alien to exclude a portion of earnings from taxable income (all worldwide income is technically subject to tax). What will be key is his actual physical residency. An individual has to be in residence for a rather significant portion of the year (longer than a typical hockey season) to qualify for the exclusion.
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The foreign income exclusion is only $86,000 or so. Everything above that would be taxed or he could take a credit for foreign taxes paid if there were any. However, there is often special tax treatment for pro athletes and entertainers. And residency has to be for a full tax year or 330 out of 365 days. (I lived in Sweden for a year, Swedish tax return was easy, filing my U.S. and state returns was a pain.) Sorry for straying OT.
by darwintheboxer on Jul 16, 2010 2:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I had heard he would stay for a one way contract and I had heard a one way contract with a legitimate shot at an NHL roster spot; so it was at least the one way contract aspect if not both that he was looking for to stay.
You’re thinking along the same lines as me. Chris probably figured that the one way NHL contract wasn’t happening. Hence, the KHL signing.
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And if you think he’s coming back, this might shed a bit of light… capgeek.com (via a tweet from Tim Leone) notes that the second year of Jay Beagle’s deal is a one-way contract for $525K ($512.5K cap hit). That might be “Matt Bradley” insurance (Bradley’s deal is up after the 2010-2011 season), but it still is interesting that Beagle gets the one-way deal (and a second year), not Bourque.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 16, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The Caps already have a minimum of eight forwards competing for probably seven spots on the lower half of the forward lines: Steckel, Bradley, B. Gordon, A. Gordon, Perreault, Chimera, Fehr (or Laich, if you prefer), and Beagle. You might want to add a couple more, but this is a minimum. Bourque is not leapfrogging anyone in this group, with the possible exception of Beagle. Frankly, I’m not seeing where Bourque has a long and productive future in the NHL. I fear he’s going to be one of those guys who can pot 20-plus goals regularly in the AHL (he’s done it four years running), but doesn’t have the size, skill, speed, or vision to translate that into a productive NHL resume. When I see him, I see a bundle of energy who is too prone to holding the puck too long, lacking the vision to see plays unfolding in front of him, resulting in his getting into situations that leave very little room for options. He can get away with that in the AHL — he does have more skill than most. But in the NHL, I think his style is a liability.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 15, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Would he even be in the KHL if he last name wasn’t Borque? Seems like it might be a good selling point for the KHL
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Are you being serious with that post?
Have you seen the list of some of the North American skaters that are playing or have played in the KHL?
His contributions at the AHL level have been plenty and he was the AHL playoff MVP.
It’s up for debate whether he should have been awarded the MVP of the Calder Cup playoffs, but that’s because there were a few candidates, but no one player stood way above the rest. Still, he was one of those few candidates and the one actually awarded the MVP trophy.
I think it’s a fair point that among the world’s league, the KHL and their franchises are most inclined to make a signing inclined to make a signing with marketing and business advantages in mind. Why else go after aging superstars? Borque is a well-known hockey name. How about having dad make a few appearances while his son is over there?
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He does have a point…plenty of FAs available, I bet, who are better players than Bourque.
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by red army line on Jul 15, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
A year in the KHL isn’t the worst thing that could happen to him from a developmental standpoint. Four years scoring 20 or more goals in the AHL, but one (in 33 games) in the NHL. In the KHL, he’ll be in something of a ‘tweener league, perhaps seeing if he can duplicate his success at the next half-step up (there is the bonus of the bigger paycheck, too). I don’t see this as a long-term solution, but perhaps a chance to showcase himself in a situation where he can’t be said to be a product of a larger winning formula.
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by ThePeerless on Jul 15, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s impossible to separate Chris and Ryan Bourque from their father as long as their career choice is hockey, but I think it’s also a fair point that a team can market signing the MVP of the most recent AHL playoffs and a player that has won multiple Calder Cups, plus played in the NHL the previous season.
It will be interesting to see how Chris Bourque’s game translates to the KHL.
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by winterion on Jul 15, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’ll say it: I’d rather see Bourque skate with the Caps than Fleischmann — and I say that as a Flash NON-hater. TL’s article suggests he can get out of his KHL deal (7th graf). I wonder, if arbitration between the Caps and Flash doesn’t work out, if Bourquey comes back in time for the season?
You’d rather see an AHL’er who couldn’t get anything done with his NHL games play for the Caps than a 3+ year NHL vet who scored 50 points this season play for the Caps? Reguardless of salary, Flash has produced (at least in the regular season), and Bourque hasn’t, even though his time in the big league was very short. And if you’re going to bring up the playoffs, I’d still rather have Flash than Bourque.
Besides, if Flash doesn’t come back and a roster spot opens up, Bourque isn’t exactly the front runner to scoop it up.
by hockeyman33 on Jul 15, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, I haven’t hid the fact that I don’t like Flash on the Caps (particularly for the raise he’s gonna get), but Bourque is not a better option. I want Flash traded and Fehr to take his spot on the 2nd line. The Caps then have plenty of better options than Bourque for the bottom 6.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 16, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Bourque has had multiple opportunites with the NHL (with the Pens as well as Caps) and did nothing with them. Nothing makes me think he is suddenly going to improve at age 24. The guy had 3 points in 20 NHL games with the Pens last year. He’s had 1 point (one, uno) in 13 career games with the Caps. I do not understand why some people think he’s got a good future (or any future) in the NHL. What am I missing?
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What am I missing?
I’d say “empirical evidence” — but then, my original comment didn’t have data either. So let’s tuck in:
The basics:
Bourque— age: 24y 4m, height: 5’7", NHL games: 33 (1 g 3 a), estimated ‘09-’10 cap hit (if in NHL): $500k
Fleischmann— age: 26y 2 m, height: 6’1", NHL games: 260, estimated ‘09-’10 cap hit: $2M
NOTE: Fleischmann’s NHL record at Bourque’s current age: 118 games (14g, 26a).
If you look at both players statistically at the points in their NHL careers where Bourque is now (that is, seasons begun prior to their 24th birthday), it’s difficult to get excited about either one: Fleischmann was averaging a point every 4.5 games; Bourque a point every 8.25 games. However, Fleischmann’s game developed significantly after turning 24 — the age that Bourque has just reached. I think Bourque would have the same experience, especially if he proves to be an example of the hockey adage, mentioned by Fehr and Balanced below, that smaller forwards take until their mid-20s to learn how to play the NHL game at their size.
Some more sophisticated data: Looking at quality of teammates and quality of competition (through the end of this past season), Flash and Bourque have roughly the same numbers. Looking at similar Corsi metrics suggests Flash skates against better competition, but he also skates with much better linemates than Bourque. Bourque does have a worse TOI-TOF, but neither has a particularly good one
One other factor to keep in mind: most of Bourque’s NHL experience has come with the Pittsburgh Penguins, not the Capitals, whose aggressive style of play fits Bourque’s skill set well.
As Fehr and Balanced and hockeyman33 have both noted, we have little NHL data on Bourque. We need to rely on impressions from his AHL play vs. the experience we have with Flash. What we see in Bourque at the AHL level is an undersized guy who has considerable skill, speed, and vision (I disagree with JP’s assessment on these three qualities). But then, Flash has good skill, speed and size (though vision seems spotty). Two other Bourque AHL qualities stand out: he’s a great quarterback, especially on the PP (though he does tend to overskate), and his game elevates against better competition and in meaningful settings — something that Flash hasn’t done at the NHL level (though his AHL record is mixed). The Caps could certainly use a playmaker for their 2nd/3rd line, and not to mention a player who elevates his play in the playoffs
I definitely don’t have the empirical evidence to demonstrate that Bourque will be a good NHL player, or even that he’ll be as good as Fleischmann. But I think we now know what Flash is — “a good player, until the playoffs.” Given the Caps’ needs for a playmaker and a playoffs player, given his age and the likelihood that his game will really develop in the next two years, given his success in this system, given that his cap hit will be a quarter (or less) of Flash’s, and given available free agents, I’d really like to see Bourque get a shot in Washington next season.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Because there were clear signs tis was going to happen. No one said “You wanna have dinner at your dad’s house” this time.
by CapitalCentre on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I thought it was because people rooted for a smallish bottom 6 guy to crack the roster, not because of where he ate.
And I thought Tom Soehn was a shitty coach.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 16, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Related — capgeek has the salaries for eveyone except A. Gordon. Anyone have any idea what he got?
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probably about $700,000. He made $660,000 (NHL) last year, per cap geek. His QO should have been 105% of that salary.
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Actually, 660,000 is the maximum number where the QO is 110%
less or equal to 660,000 110%
over 660,000 <1M 105%
1M or greater 100%
So, the maximum Gordon’s QO was for was 660,000*1.1 or 726,000; however, if that salary included some signing bonus money, the QO would be for less than that figure.
You mean, the minimum, not maximum, for the QO, right? The question was because I was wondering if he got something better than his minimum, like more AHL money. It will show up eventually.
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Sorry, I should have left that part out as it is confusing, but I did mean maximum, in the sense that basing the QO on the salary without the Caps offering a raise, the QO wouldn’t be higher than that number.
In other words, if simply calculating the QO based on his salary, that was the highest figure possible, but it’s possible it was lower if the 660,000 figure included some signing bonus money and it’s likely it did.
If we had the real salary number than yes, I would have said minimum in the sense that the team isn’t required to offer the minimum, they can offer more.
It is very possible he got a higher AHL salary and lower NHL salary as it appears may have been the case for some of the other guys that signed their QOs.
As to why it hasn’t shown up, either the CapGeek people simply missed it when they were loading all the RFA contracts yesterday as there were a number of them or the contract has an issue and the League hasn’t approved it; it happens and usually something small that gets modified and re-submitted. Nothing to worry about if that is the case (and no I’m not saying you are worrying; you pointed out the same that it will show up eventually.)
FWIW, Greentree’s contract hasn’t shown up yet in CapGeek either.
my mistake, I thought 660,000 was the 105%, and 659,999 was 110%.
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Actually, it’s one of the clearer parts of the CBA, if you read the actual CBA or leave it to crazy people like me…
(A)if the Player’s prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary is less than or equal to $660,000 for that League Year, 110% of the prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary.
(B)if the Player’s prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary is greater than $660,000, but less than $1,000,000 for that League Year, 105% of his prior year’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, but in no event to exceed $1,000,000.
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Well, one thing we’ll definitely find out about Bourque is his ability to play on a losing team. This stint in the KHL is key in that he isn’t exactly going from a winner to a winner. Mytishchi Atlant isn’t a success story. The following is their list of head coaches since inception in 2005:
Milos Rzhiga – 2005/06
Vorobyov – 2006/07 (to February 2007 inclusive)
Sergey Borisov – 2006/07 (from 28 February – by March 2007 with the rank of Acting)
Eugene Popihin – 2007/08 (from April 2007 to 31 December 2007)
Fedor Kanareikin -2008/09 (from 2 January 2008 to October 27, 2009)
Valery Bragin – 2009 (from 27 October 2009 on November 7, 2009 with the rank of Acting)
Nicholas Barshcheuski – from November 9, 2009
They don’t appear to sell jerseys, but they have a small selection of CafePress style offerings. The only recognizable names on the roster are Jan Bulis and Martin Gerber, who appears to split starts with Jan Lasak, a 1999 Nashville draft pick that didn’t pan out (cue Chris!)
The team was called “Chemist” prior to 2008. They’re now known as “Atlas”.
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It’s definitely a bit of a departure, to boot. I dig the water pipe monument.
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