At Development Camp, Keep an Eye on the "Other" Guys
When the Caps held their Development Camp back in July of 2007, fans flocked to get what was for most of them a first glimpse of Nicklas Backstrom, Karl Alzner, Semyon Varlamov and other key pieces of the franchise's future. The more die-hard fans in the crowd that week could probably have told you a bit about guys like Francois Bouchard or Andrew Gordon, Mathieu Perreault and Michal Neuvirth. Heck, you probably could have found a few folks who could pick Brett Leffler out of a lineup.
But you'd likely have been hard-pressed to get much information about an undrafted free agent taking part in the week's drills and testing who'd spent the previous season at the University of Alaska-Anchorage before finishing it up with the ECHL Idaho Steelheads.
Three years later, that player is once again a free agent, only this time he's a restricted free agent... with two Calder Cups and fourteen NHL games - including four in the 2009 Eastern Conference Semifinals - under his belt. That player is Jay Beagle, who signed with the Caps on March 26, 2008 while playing in Hershey on an AHL deal that he'd earned the previous summer. And while Beagle is still far from a household name, he's played a big part in Hershey's success over the past few seasons and shown himself to be a serviceable checking-line NHLer (albeit in a limited sample). In other words, he's done what some of his more highly-touted fellow Development Campers have thus far failed to do.
And Beagle isn't alone in his invite-to-contract story. Jake Hauswirth is described in the team's 2010 Development Camp Guide as "the poster boy for development camp," a 2008 camper who had a great week followed by a big season in the USHL and a three-year deal with the Caps. Zach Miskovic, also a 2008 free agent invitee, signed a one-year deal with the team in March of 2009 and played 65 games for Hershey this past season. Forward Michal Dubuc earned a minor league contract after standing out at 2008's summer camp. As Director of Player Development Steve Richmond noted last year of these mid-summer weeks:
"With the free agents, we get to spend a week with them, 12 hours a day. We get to know them on the ice, off the ice, their work habits. Instead of trying to guess what they’re like, are they good people, bad people, [we know what they’re like]. When they do become free agents or they are ready to turn pro, if you’ve had them in your camp and they got to know you, too, and they say, ‘They took a liking to me, they brought me in, they worked with me, they wanted to see what I was all about.’ When push comes to shove, we’re in front of the line waiting for them. It works both ways."
So when you're out at Kettler this week marveling at Marcus Johansson's skating or Evgeny Kuznetsov's skill or trying to hope Joe Finley into an NHLer, pay some attention to the guys whose names aren't even on the rosters being handed out, guys like local product Patrick Cullen or Andy Miele or any of the other kids listed here; you just might be seeing them again in the future. After all, for these free agents, hope skates on.
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Rec’d for a smart photo selection.
Look at this signature line. Notice the lack of spelling errors and self-whoring?
In case you’re wondering, the other skater on the ice at the time? David Steckel.
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was this a try out for the “Island of Misfit Toys”?
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I’m not big on Miami (OH) in terms of developing pros, but this Miele kid sounds like he is making things happen. Burt has also caught my attention based on the comments regarding his skating.
Great point about Beagle, he should get some looks if any checkers go down with injuries this year (and they will) and hopefully is ready to step in full time next year on the 4th line.
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I think that will be changing with the experience and exposure the players are getting and Blasi staying (for now) as head coach.
Historically, I guess the 2 biggest names out of that program currently playing in the NHL are Boyle and Greene.
Right, but the last several seasons they’ve been national powerhouses and that hasn’t translated to the NHL yet. For whatever reason, some programs can succeed on ice but haven’t translated to the NHL. I put Notre Dame and Miami in that category as of now.
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Cornell!
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 14, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
How did I forget them? Oh, right, they aren’t national powerhouses.
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Yet you include Notre Dame as a national powerhouse…
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 14, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Notre Dame has ben ranked high nationally for several years now; higher than Cornell for sure. ND has also had more high level prospects drafted than Cornell so the failure to develop looks worse for ND.
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by Rob Parker on Jul 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who'd ND play in the tournament last year?
For the past decade I bet Cornell and ND have been ranked in the top 15 and made it to the NCAA tourney equal numbers of times. Both have been very good programs consistently in the top 10 but never getting to the Frozen Four.
Notre Dame is a hockey powerhouse the same way they are a football powerhouse: in name only.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 14, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, ND has been ranked Number 1 nationally for large periods of time over the last 2-3 years. Cornell had a good season this year and was ranked top 15, but I don’t think they’ve had the same hype. ND might not really be a powerhouse yet, but you look at the prospects that have committed there/been drafted from there and you’d expect them to have a better showing at the NHL level.
FWIW, Fowler is committed to ND, I believe. I sure as hell hopes he just jumps to the NHL.
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Not sure how to find past college hockey rankings, but Cornell has been ranked #1 for times as well, and have been pretty consistently top 5 for the past few years, not just #1. ND has had great years then drop way off. I can’t remember consecutive years of ND being a top team in the past decade. And neither of them ever go anywhere in the NCAA tourney.
Fact of the matter is that neither is a hockey powerhouse, but if you are gonna call ND one Cornell deserves to be in the same category.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 14, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Cornell sucks and everyone knows it.
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Two NCAA, a dozen ECAC and 19 Ivy championships say they don’t suck.
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Man, that shit was back when the Islanders were even good.
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So does Notre Dame. Damn you for making me argue in support of Cornell.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jul 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
As you noted, “yet.”
There is the balance between wanting 4 year players and short-term success with recruiting a higher profile player, too, just seems to me that Blasi will have an even easier time recruiting due to the success and attention. And some Miami players are more likely to get drafted and/or signed in the future based on the success of the program and its players, but it doesn’t happen overnight.
No, not overnight, but they’ve been good enough for long enough that they should start seeing it happen in the very near future.
FTR, I’d probably tag Wisconsin as the best school for developing NHL talent.
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On that topic, did you read the Woods article by Leone with the elder Woods’ comments about Eaves/Wisconsin? If you didn’t, you might want to take a look, it’s a good read.
I agree there are several coaches/programs that are good at developing NHL talent, but there are also coaches/programs that are better at recruiting NHL talent. And then there are some coaches/programs that don’t want many players (I’m not saying they don’t want any) that from the start aren’t expected to stay 3 or 4 years.
Just read it, and it’s good to see Woods agrees. I wish he would have expounded a little bit more. I’ve heard several people say that Eaves uses the most pro-style systems of any NCAA team and for the most part the UW prospects that go to the NHL seem to do pretty well. Unlike Minnesota, who always has a ton of guys drafted, but they seem to have lots of guys that don’t pan out as well.
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somewhat related, I was a little surprised to see the younger Woods recruited by so many elite schools and go undrafted, even with injury.
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Better for him, in many ways, not to be drafted than to be drafted late. Now he’s a free agent and can sign at any point (and with anyone), rather than having his rights held by someone and that signing date delayed.
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As a practical matter it’s not an issue. He seems committed to Wisconsin so he can’t sign anywhere unless he’s willing to give up that eligibility. He may be drafted as an overage player next season, and I suspect he will be if he stays healthy and has a decent year. If nothing else, GMGM will grab him in the 7th.
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But if he’s having a great year, he could be signed prior to the draft (a la Miskovic), and those deals are usually worth a good deal more than lower round picks (by virtue of the fact that they’re free agents). Point being, he’s in more control of his future than if he’d been taken in the 6th or 7th round of the Draft.
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Agreed, but Miskovic signed after he graduated. If Woods wants to go to UW, that’s not an option. If he agrees to go to the CHL or straight to the ECHL or AHL then signing makes sense. It just depends what he wants to do.
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Good article...
I won’t be able to make it to the camp until Saturday…..but I’m pretty excited to see what some of these young guys can do.
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Anyone know why Godfrey isn’t at camp?
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Too old – he’d be the only 3rd year pro there, so he isn’t.
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So Finley stays because he was in the NCAA for 4 years instead of pro? He’s older than Godfrey and has seen these camps before.
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by Rob Parker on Jul 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So Finley stays because he was in the NCAA for 4 years instead of pro?
In a word, yes.
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Bouchard is kind of in the same situation as Godfrey. I’m not sure they are even “prospects” anymore.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 14, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not huge on Bouchard, but that’s selling him way short. Bouchard has 2 years of AHL experience and played for 2 Calder Cup winners. Godfrey… ECHL. Bouchard may not pan out, but he’s not as worthless as Godfrey.
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I didn’t mean to equate their talent levels. I mean only that they have already demonstrated what they are. Bouchard is no longer a prospect in the same way that Alex Giroux, Keith Aucion and Brian Willsie aren’t prospects. They’re all damned fine hockey players, just not NHL caliber. And I’m suggesting that Godfrey has peaked at the ECHL.
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by Gould Old Days on Jul 15, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to disagree, as each of the three guys you likened him to have demonstrated what they are at the NHL level, while Bouchard hasn’t had that chance yet. I still think the likelihood that Bouchard becoming a regular NHLer in the future, while small, is greater than the chances of any of the other three achieving that goal (in the future – Willsie has obviously been that in the past).
This is a big year for Bouchard. If we’re here a year from now and he still hasn’t had an NHL cup of coffee, I’ll likely agree with you on what he is/isn’t.
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He should probably get his cup of coffee this year, but if the Caps somehow miraculously escape injuries up front and he doesn’t get a chance, that’s not necessarily on him. What he needs to do, in my mind, is basically dominate the AHL. He needs lots of points, and he needs to be a key contributor for HER at ES and PP. If he can’t do that in the AHL this year, he’s toast.
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Right, but the Caps often hand out those cups of coffee as rewards, not necessarily based on needs, but I suppose every case is different. Totally agreed on him needing a big year in HER, but his coaches also play a part in that (i.e. how much good ice he gets). Certainly make-or-break time.
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With no Giroux I suspect the opportunity is there for the taking. Yingst is going to sign guys that can play, but I’m sure they’ll let the prospects battle for those top six spots. Bouchard is going to decide where he ends up playing.
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No Giroux doesn’t have a lot of impact on Bouchard in terms of position as Giroux plays LW and Bouchard the RW. I agree this is big year for Bouchard. His play in the playoffs was a positive sign and hopefully, he builds upon that this summer.
Whether Andrew Gordon makes the Caps out of training camp (I hope he does) or gets sent down to Hershey via waivers and the signing of Willsie should have more of an impact on Bouchard’s ice time with the Bears than Giroux’s departure.
FWIW the expectation right now, before completing the roster and chemistry factoring in to actual line combos, it looks like Greentree is expected to play in Giroux’s slot with Aucoin at center and the RW slot open for camp competition.
Thanks again for getting the organizational answer to that question :)
“Old” in pro years per the info provided, not in age. There are plenty of guys in camp that are older than him agewise.
And if that is the true reason that’s a team decision and not a League rule. For example, Corrente is participating in the Devils camp right now.
It is also worth noting that he had a tough year and it was an important year for him development-wise based on his development to date, place on the depth chart, etc. He returned to play 1 game in the playoffs for SC, returning from a concussion and it was his first game since mid-January. He struggled a lot and then sat out again for the rest of the series.
So our candidates for the long-shot guy that makes an impact are Burt and Miele?
Anyone else that’s actually seen the camp have anyone else to offer?
I do enjoy keeping an eye on the kids that have the odds stacked against them.
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I was hoping this thread would go in this direction at some point.
I haven’t been out there, but have heard good things about Cullen (hence his inclusion in the post).
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I imagine there will be more comments once the scrimmages start later today.
Beagle did stand out from day 1 in his first camp, but so much more to see in the scrimmage format and after all the guys have been on the ice for a few days.
Just speculation, but I figure the guys that follow Beagle’s path really have to light it up in Dev Camp – to an extent that even the casual observer sees it – to get noticed and signed?
So that would be a place to start for our observers.
I can add Cullen to the list of guys to keep an eye on.
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So, what, we gonna have an open thread for the scrimmage?
(I keed, I keed).
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Sure, I’ll throw one up there.
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