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What about your KHL contract? You have 2 years left, is it correct?

Yes, I do have two years left on my KHL contract. But I would really want to come over earlier. A compensation for my contract needs to be paid. It is my childhood dream to play in the NHL.

This makes me very happy. I was afraid after he’d said before that he wants to finish his KHL deal.

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

If memory (and Dmitry’s Twitter) serves, I think the player has to pony up two-thirds of the remaining contract value if he wants a buyout. Interesting if he wants to do it, but I don’t know if that cools whatever relations the K and N currently have with each other.

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by Bald Pollack on Jun 28, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the Bourque link

He’s still under contract to the Caps, but their GM George McPhee shrugged. "They (Russians) do whatever they want to do," he said.

Without a proper transfer agreement in place it’s all ad hoc solutions between khl and nhl so it’s hard to predict what will cause problems and what will be ok.

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by Malin A on Jun 28, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah, that goes without saying.

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by Bald Pollack on Jun 28, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a big loss if he goes anyway…oh well.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe GMGM and the Capitals can lead the way, with our own agreement: Bourque for Kuznetzov!

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by bagace on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

From everything I’ve read, Evgeny Kuznetsov seems to have a great attitude.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 28, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hilarious comment of the day (from the Muir article)

A few days earlier, the B’s GM dealt the 15th overall pick as part of a package that landed first-line winger Nathan Horton from the Panthers. That’s just solid asset management. Now if only new team president Cam Neely can light a fire under Horton’s slow-boil competitive instincts

Anytime you include the phrase “solid asset management” with “Peter Chiarelli” in the same segment, you’re doing it wrong.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

That Phil Kessel trade still looks pretty good.

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

With the Maple Leafs. I know GMBB is a good GM, but he got hosed.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup…basically ended up being Kessel for Seguin. Yowza. A bit of hubris on Burke’s part to think that they would be a playoff-worthy team this year, thus making a first round pick not so bad.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kessel for Seguin, Jared Knight, and Toronto’s first round pick next year.

Awful.

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be another lottery pick next year…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 28, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially after watching the Olympics. Who is buying Phil Kessel as a guy to build around?

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a LOT of people thought they would be playoff-worthy this year. I’m in agreement with next year’s first though. Two first rounders is pretty steep for most of the players in this league.

At any rate, Kessel is still only 22 years old.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t one of them – not that I’m such a genius or anything, I just didn’t get how stocking up on big, slow defensemen (who were made to look better thanks to much more skilled D partners) was going to get them to the playoffs.

Kessel is still young, it’s true. And he’s not awful, but he certainly doesn’t have the ceiling that Seguin does. Plus from everything I’ve heard from the Bruins side, he wasn’t the best teammate. Lots of comments about him not being willing to play hurt, etc.

…and I just always want to punch him when I see him. But that’s neither here nor there.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs a set up guy. Most def. Saw that much in the Olympics.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that he thought they’d be in the playoffs, but I think he was positive they wouldn’t be in the lottery. Even a 10 pick doesn’t look so bad (Boston could get McIlrath!), but a 2 hurts.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And anytime you follow up “first-line winger” with " slow-boil competitive instincts" you are probably ready for disappointment.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Willie Mitchell

I’d take him in a heartbeat – more Clarkson alum on the Caps is full of win. Although the last Clarkson grad that played here happened to have a pretty lengthy injury history as well…

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by snakegriffin on Jun 28, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Would love to have Mitchell on the Caps as well. He’s one on a very short list of players that seem to get Ovechkin off his game some. He’s got all the skills and would fit in nicely with the Caps as Poti’s partner, and would allow Bruce to not have to play Carlson and Alzner at 24 minutes a night (they’ll get there soon enough, but they don’t have to do it in their early 20s…)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also got this tidbit from the Horcoff link:
The Minnesota Wild liked Owen Nolan’s competitive fire the last two years but aren’t keen on bringing back the free-agent. He would like to finish his career in San Jose, where he has a home, although Washington or Pittsburgh, with a chance to win a Cup, would be better for him. It’s easier travel.

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by Steck It Out on Jun 28, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I know Nolan is a RW, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him replace Flieschmann on the second line.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jun 28, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Owen Nolan ain’t no 2nd liner anymore. Still, he may be a big part of what this team needs come playoff time. Laich – Belanger – Nolan is the kind of line that can do some serious damage in the playoffs.

I never realized that Nolan never won a Cup. He could be a great story next year if he plays for a contender.

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

And show Alex Semin how to really pick a corner.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 28, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Against an All-Star goaltender, no less.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m starting to get myself wound up thinking about this. Owen Nolan at about a million bucks would be a fantastic pickup. He might make every forward on the team better — including Ovechkin, since he’s probably one of the few forwards in the league that Ovi would listen to these days. And how awesome would it be to see Nolan finally get a Cup?

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’d be a healthy scratch most nights, sometimes filling in on the fourth. It only really works if we move a right wing (unlikely).

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’d be a healthy scratch, but the point underscores how little need we have for him. You don’t bring a guy like Nolan in to sit in a suit, and I don’t see which wing we give up. If Fehr or Flash get poached on a RFA sheet maybe GMGM looks at him, but that’s about the only way I see.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I remember AO saying Nolan was his favorite player before so he would probably listen to him a la grandpa feds

1 mill for Nolan. Get it done GMGM

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by Bman21212 on Jun 28, 2010 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I really liked the idea of acquiring Nolan this past season at the deadline. At this point, though, I’m not as sure. I don’t think he can give you second-line minutes at this point and isn’t really a third-line type player. Does Owen Nolan want to be a fourth-liner? Then what of Bradley?

Put another way,

Ovechkin – Backstrom – Knuble
Laich – ?? – Semin
Chimera – ?? – Fehr
Gordon – Steckel – Bradley

Where does Nolan fit in?

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your line up is also missing Flash. I know we all hope GMGM dumps him but I don’t see that happening

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by Bman21212 on Jun 28, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your line up is also missing Flash.

It’s my projected “Game 7” lineup, I suppose, not the “early regular season” iteration. Flash is in the press box.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Flash not in the line up? Guess the caps are getting a new coach haha

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by Bman21212 on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

See Game 7 vs. Montreal – even the current coach knew the guy was unplayable.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true but it seems like Flash had to be extra bad for that to happen so I’m not sure it would happen again

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by Bman21212 on Jun 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The important question is how long that realization lasts. I don’t think very long. He’ll convince himself that the off-season workout is all he needed and give him the long leash again.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or he’ll be hesitant to let history repeat itself and go with a short leash, as he did with JT60 come playoff time.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unlikely. He never really liked/trusted Theo so everyone knew Theo would never have a long playoff leash. He LOVES Flash and still thinks Flash can be a playoff player. You know I’d love to agree with you, I just can’t see it happening.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re right. For me, I like 3rd or 4th line guys to be “energy” guys or shut down guys, and he’s definitely not that player at this point.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

But our 3rd line is a scoring line that plays 10-12 a night. He’d fit perfectly on there.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who do you sit? Chimera and Fehr bring more to the table at this point.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. I’m not advocating bringing him in. I’m just saying he could fit on our 3rd because of how BB likes to organize his lines.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do we know if Laing is going to be re-signed?

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by CapsFan2020 on Jun 28, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

We do not know. Per Tim Leone last week:

Beagle, with his penalty-killing prowess and ability to play center and wing, may have the best chance to make Washington’s opening-night roster, especially if free-agent grinder Quintin Laing departs. …

If Laing can’t land an NHL one-way or an NHL-AHL two-way, Hershey would loom as a logical landing spot if he has to accept an AHL one-way.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always forget. What is the difference between one and two way contracts?

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by Bman21212 on Jun 28, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

A one way contract the player gets paid the same no matter if he’s in the AHL or NHL, two way contract means that Laing would get paid x amount in the A, or y amount in the NHL.

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by Chris Burton on Jun 28, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Different pay grades in the NHL and AHL. One way means you get the NHL money no matter where you are, two way means a discount in the AHL.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basically just the money – a one-way deal means a guy makes his NHL salary whether he’s in the AHL or NHL, while a two-way deal allows for different salaries at the two levels. (It’s important to note that EA Sports video games have no idea what the difference is and are dead wrong in their application of the terms.)

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was just going to point out the EA thing. Hopefully they’ll fix that in the next installment.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right – in EA, one-way means a guy has to go through waivers to be sent to the AHL, two-way means no waivers. This is flat-out wrong.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they just did that for simplicity’s sake? Would be nice if they had an option where you could do a real, genuine “sim style” management with all the current CBA rules, and another one with the simpler system they use now.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

They do have it. It’s called Eastside.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely the way to go, but it’s still not perfect: buyouts don’t count against the cap.

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the eff? Even NHL 2010’s buyouts count against the cap!

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

With nice fancy charts!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Line graphs rule, man.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno, everyone not on their ELC being subject to waivers would probably be more realistic than misapplying the 1-way/2-way standard.

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by apk3000 on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s wrong, but I can say it benefits me more as a GM in a video game than the other way around. I mean, what, my virtual owner is gonna get pissed that he’s got 30 million dollars in two way contracts stewing in the minors?

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

perhaps he sits in the press box during the regular season, starts working into the lineup after semin has been dealt and is fresh for the playoffs. a bit far fetched, but let me be the millionth person to say he’s just the type of guy this team could use in the playoffs. a typical deadline deal guy (i.e. the “bill guerin” guy everyone wants in march) that we just pickup a bit early and maybe a bit cheaper.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 28, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where does Nolan fit? First of all, I love Brooks Laich, but if he’s on the second line I don’t think this team is winning a Cup. Looking at the offensive depth of Chicago and Philly, I just don’t see Laich as that kind of player. He’s a great forward to have, but he’s no star.

Jason Chimera is a nice player, but he definitely is not a Bruce Boudreau 3rd line player. Manos de piedra ain’t going to do it for a team with cup aspirations.

Move Laich to the 3rd line. Slide Semin back to LW. Now you’ve got the RW slots open on the 2nd and 3rd lines. One of them is Fehr, the other is Nolan.

Ovechkin – Backstrom – Knuble
Semin – ?? – Fehr
Laich – ?? – Nolan

The bottom line shakes out however it does. I like Matt Bradley. But Nolan scored 45 points in 59 games two years ago, and 33 in a full season last year. I don’t think you ask what of Matt “10 goal career year” Bradley if you get the chance to add Nolan.

Nolan’s only 38. Mark Recchi’s 42 and going strong. Besides, what did we all think was missing in the Montreal series? Don’t you think Nolan alone could have made the difference there?

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Fehr ready for the second line?

I think he is, and irrespective of whether we sign Nolan or not, I like the idea of Semin moving back over to the left and putting Laich on 3L, and presumably Chimmer on 4L.

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by bigonetimer on Jun 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I far prefer Laich on the second, personally. He’s kind of like Clark in that he can be efficient on any line, but he’s not super old and declining.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I love his game in that regard. However, I would see a potentially better defensive second line with Sasha and EF (given we get a kickass pivot) with most, if not all, the offensive upside.

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by bigonetimer on Jun 28, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laich didn’t impress at ES this season too much, IIRC. I’m a bit hesitant.

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

hesitant with Laich at the 3L?

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by bigonetimer on Jun 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

My comment was more in reply to WM. Less ES TOI, more PP TOI and PKTOI for Laich, so 3W not 2W

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with this. During the regular season, Laich did score 4 more goals than Fehr (25 vs 21), but he played in 9 more games, averaging 6 more minutes and 7 more shifts per game. Imagine Fehr’s numbers if he had second line time.

And if we were to go with Matty P or Marcus J as 3C, Brooks would provide some vet leadership for the line.

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by bagace on Jun 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

so are we all assuming here that Belanger doesn’t return? I really like the guy, but we’ve got some younger and cheaper options like you said

And yeah, MP and MJ could probably play 3C, but i’d be disappointed if the Caps don’t pick any 2C up and let the youngins battle it out.

by hockeyman33 on Jun 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Caps would bring him back for 1 or at most two years, but he wants 3 or 4, which would not fit the Caps’ development timeline.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what I was thinking. He could be a solid 3C that brings some help on the PK. But I hope he ends up somewhere good for him, cause he’s got some heart.

by hockeyman33 on Jun 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The articles we had earlier about this (all from the French-Canadian press) indicated that he would also like to go to MTL. Dunno if that was just b/c he was talking to HabsNation media.

The gist of his comments was that, at 32, this is likely to be his last big contract and he wants to make it count.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he might get what he’s looking for, somewhere else than the Caps. Lots of teams could use a solid 2/3C in a year that has nearly none available.

It’s good to be a FA center this year, I think.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

MON might like him because he speaks French, but I don’t think it makes a lot of sense. They just traded for Ellar, and he’s at most a year from the NHL. They have Gomez and Plekanec signed forever. Why are you going to continue to force your new best prospect out of the lineup?

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The article(s) came out before the Halak/Eller/Schultz deal.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if MON is still interested.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they need more Quebecois, duh.

Seriously, some of the Montreal media were bitching because the Habs took – GASP – an American in the first round. Don’t have the exact link but one of the major Habs blogs, All Habs, talks about it here. Montreal MSM is disgusting sometimes.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Habs LOVE Americans in the first round. It’s hysterical. Komisarek, Higgins, McDonagh, Kriso, and I’m pretty sure Pacioretty.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, Max Pac was a 1st rounder – Kristo wasn’t, though, I believe he was in the 2nd round. But still.

Of course they also went on to trade 3 of those guys away…

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kristo was a 2 but he was their first pick that year.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the French media is in panic mode. Only 22 QMJHL kids drafted this year. 40+ from the W and high 30’s from the O.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

and not all those Q kids are French-Canadian. Must be further fueling the panic.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laich also spent a good chunk of time on the PP. I don’t think you can win the whole thing without guys like Brooks, but he’s by no means irreplaceable on the ice.

His BtN numbers are wholly uninspiring, especially considering how much time he spent playing with Semin and that he spent almost 3 minutes a night on the PP.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 28, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

His ability to play all three F positions (plus occasionally at D) is useful, but ultimately has kept him pinging around on different lines. And he went through that long dry spell mid-season.

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by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt he goes through many dry spells.

…oh, you meant on the ice. Right. Ahem.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not a good enough C or D to count that as anything more than an emergency factor.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m holding that dry spell against him, just like I’d hold it against everyone else.

He spent over 50% of his ES ice with Semin, regardless of who was centering them. Relative to the team, Semin was a +4.9 Corsi events per 60 on the ice, Laich was -3.5. AS28 is a first line talent, but BL21 may be better served on the third line.

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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 28, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Sometimes it’s our most flexible guys who have the most problem getting a stable spot,

Brooksie can do either the second line or the third and is productive on either one, but seems to function best as a left winger

Fehr can function on any of the 4 lines, as a right winger but is probably best on the 2nd or 3rd line.

Semin can function as either a left or right winger on one of the top lines although his natural position is left wing.

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by CapsFan75 on Jun 29, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Sloan can be an inadequate forward or an inadequate defenseman!

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by Rob Parker on Jun 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fehr was actually very productive on the 2nd line when both Knuble and Semin were out. And he was productive there last year.

I actually consider Fehr a second line type player.

Only one problem with moving Semin to left wing — Ovi takes extra long shifts so many times and Semin would get short shrift in the ice time department. Along with the fact that couldn’t put Ovi and Semin together.

That being said, I’d be curious to see what would happen on a line with both Semin and Fehr,

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by CapsFan75 on Jun 29, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd line Right Wing – Fehr to fourth line left, Gordon to Center, Steckel to Press box. Only snarking a little.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fehr is wasted on the 4th line, in my humble opinion.

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by CapsFan75 on Jun 29, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d agree but I don’t see Flash leaving and we have too many Ws as is. I love Owen Nolan, but I don’t see how it fits with the current team.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I recall correctly, the Caps inquired about Nolan last year at the deadline – he said he wanted to stay in Minnesota. Love the loyalty but I remember thinking he would have been a nice pickup, I really like him.

But like JP and others have said, not sure where he fits now. I would have taken him over Flash in a heartbeat but beyond that I don’t see a place for him.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Owen Nolan. None other than the guy Ovi admired when younger.

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by CapsFan75 on Jun 28, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Ridley Trade...

I think the trade of Ridley to the Leafs began the end of two eras. It certainly was the beginning of the end of Rids’ career as a player. He never was the same player after he left the Caps and wasn’t all that effective. It also might be the beginning of the end of David Poile’s run as GM of the Caps. He had built a good team in DC, but the team that was strong in the late 1980s and early 1990s was fading, and while the Caps had some success at the minor level (Portland, the farm team back then, was just coming off a Calder Cup championship), there were no results at the NHL level, especially in the post season. Part of that was the Penguins, of course, but one could say the high point of the Poile era was the 1994 playoffs when the Caps beat the Pens. The loss to the Rangers in round 2 wasn’t a surprise, the Caps actually played very well in that series, but they were playing the accumulated parts of the Edmonton Oiler dynasty as well as several players from the 1992 Blackhawks (who lost the Cup final) and of course the Rangers themselves. The Rangers were a better team in 1994.

Pearson didn’t do much of anything for the Caps, and Baumgartner never did much for the Caps either… all in all, not one of the high points in Poile’s career.

The saddest part of it all, was that Ridley was at the Caps season ticket holder draft party (as was I…) at the old Cap Centre to sign autographs during the draft. Unlike most players traded at the draft, Rids got a chance to get a round of applause and appreciation from the fans when traded at the draft… you could tell though that he was not happy about the situation…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Mike, I appreciate the historical perspective. I know about certain players and some big picture stuff about the Poile era, but I was born in 1981 and I wasn’t even sentient until the early 90s so the detailed perspective and the trends you highlight help fill in my 1980s Caps knowledge. I don’t have much to add, just wanted you to know it’s appreciated by at least one of the young bucks around here.

And yeah, that ’94 Rags team was scary.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. I pretty much wasn’t even aware of the Caps until around 1996 when I started going to games, and didn’t start really following the team until 1999.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jun 28, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So in summation, keep up the good work Mike.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jun 28, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Ghost and F&B. Will do. Being an STH for a quarter century has had it’s moments…

I am still hearing that ping off the post 15 years ago by Peter Bondra in OT in Game 5 up in Pittsburgh…if he scores that goal, the Caps beat the Pens 4-1 in that series (this was one of the 3-1 leads they blew) and who knows what the history of the Pens and Caps looks like now… probably very different.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

just keep telling yourself how much sweeter it will be when the Caps finally win it all.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn Mike you had to remind me of the Bondra post vs the Pens lol. Ridley was always one of my fave players with the Caps when he was here and I always loved Poile’s trade to get Rids and Miller here for Bobby Carpenter as one of my favourite of GMDP’s deals.

As a longtime fan like you, I always appreciate the nostalgia trips Mike. Keep em coming

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by Rather Bengt on Jun 28, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Ridley-Miller trade for Carpenter was the trade that moved my loyalties from the Rangers (I grew up in NY) to the Caps. I moved here in 1985, and seeing my favorite Ranger (Miller) come to DC… it was a no-brainer.

Of course, if Glenn Ford or Ted Turner buys the Flames in 1980 instead of Nelson Skalbania (who moved them to Calgary 30 years ago) and they stay in ATL, I might still be a Flames fan. Again growing up in NY, the Rangers were on pay-cable TV (you had to pay extra for MSG Network back then) but the Flames were on WTBS, all of the away games and about half the home games. I got to see 55-60 Flames games on TV and only 30 or so Ranger games…including their games in Atlanta. I would go the MSG to see the Flames routinely beat the Rangers as well. I’d be the only person there in the fire-engine red jersey with the big “A” in the front…

Ah well, now it’s Caps all the way… but I do check in on Calgary every so often. :D

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 29, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today kicks off a very busy week:

June 28: Qualifying offers due to restricted free agents Backstrom, Boyd Gordon, Eric Fehr, Fleischmann, Jeff Schultz and a handful of prospects.

June 29: RFAs who remain unsigned can begin talking to other teams.

July 1: Free agent signing period opens. After this year’s first round disappointment, GM George McPhee figures to be busier than he had anticipated. Also, Theodore, Joe Corvo, Scott Walker, Shaone Morrisonn, Eric Belanger, Brendan Morrison, Milan Jurcina, Quintin Laing (and Alexander Giroux) become unrestricted free agents if not signed prior to this date.

5: Deadline for players to request salary arbitration. (Hearing dates are usually held in Toronto in late July and August). Boyd Gordon, Schultz, Fehr and Fleischmann are eligible.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn’t shock me in the least if Giroux heads for the K.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Intriguing Tweet from Kettler Capitals Iceplex:

Proshop closes at 8pm tonight for inventory prep. Closed Tuesday 6/29. We will reopen by noon Wednesday.

Adding some new jerseys perhaps? Certainly marking down some old ones. :/

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fiscal year end of June 30th, probably.

Sorry, professional opinion there.

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps and the NHL operate on a fiscal year that ends on June 30, so that makes perfect sense.

Every retailer needs to do inventory at least once a year…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the pro shop is not owned by the Caps, so that likely has nothing to do with it.

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the Caps owned the rink and most everything with it?

Ah well, even then, it would make sense for the pro shop at the Caps practice facility to run their calendar the same as the Caps.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 29, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

reminds me, I need to buy a Theo shirt immediately!

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

You might wait until July 1 as he once he signs elsewhere they could go on a discount rack…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m terrified they’ll just get pulled from NHL.com entirely.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they had Huet shirts for $5 at development camp a few years back. Too bad they ony had XL and bigger though.

by hockeyman33 on Jun 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

From NHL.com yes, from the pro-shop and/or the store at the arena… probably not.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 29, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ive been hearing some talk that Fleischmann is looking to get Plekanec-type money.

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by Addison H. on Jun 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, “where are you hearing it?”, not “where does he want that money from?”

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

At the risk of being vague and or repeating idle chatter, I will say Im friends with someone who is close to the situation

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by Addison H. on Jun 28, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, his agent said Plekanec is a comparable…

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

His agent’s technically correct, if you’re looking entirely at their nationalities and numbers.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If Flash’s agent uses Plekanec in arbitration as a comprable for Flash, he will lose and lose big… there is a big difference to their games. The numbers are similar over the season, but if you look at the second half of last year….

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plekanec probably played in Game Seven, for example…

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t. If I recall from last year’s chatter, you can only use RFA signings as comparables, so no way can you use Plekanec’s 2009-10 season. Now, he 08-09 season, I guess you could use…..

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually that’s a reasonable question from both sides.

Where are you hearing it?
Where is Flash going to get that kind of $$?

Well played.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

From where? If he is, even I’m gonna go “Fuck that guy.”

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delusion isn’t just a river in Egypt, y’know.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s hard to believe he really thinks he’s worth that much. I don’t think he could be that delusional. Some of us tend to assign off ice behavioral traits to certain players because of how they are on the ice, and most of the time those situations have been proven completely false.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agents gotta do what agents gotta do.

Nobody ever made their client more money by offering less than what was available. What he’s asking for in June and what he’s signed for in October are completely different things.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine he’s looking for the 6 year, 30-million dollar contract, but probably closer to what Plekanec made when he was RFA last year: 2.75 million. And if it goes to arbitration, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get that.

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by Wheeler on Jun 28, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It would be a gross overpayment even if Flash gets $2.75.

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by ns on Jun 28, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, at least he had a good shooting %.

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by Bald Pollack on Jun 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can the Caps afford to pay him that much?

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by gotsparkly on Jun 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not, but an arbitrator doesn’t give a damn about the Caps cap situation.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but the Caps still have the option to walk away after the arbiter names a contract, right?

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by gotsparkly on Jun 28, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Caps want to go to arb, they are bound by the decision. They can walk away if Flash decides to go to arb.

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t know about that. Does an arbitrator have any sway on his RFA vs UFA status?

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Teams can walk away from a limited number of player arb decisions every few years. The Caps could walk away from a Flash arb decision. He’d become a UFA

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if it goes to arbitration, I can’t wait for the mock up.

More norrissey, less morrissey

by bigonetimer on Jun 28, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

sounds reasonable if by “plekanec type money” you mean flash wants to get paid in us dollars.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 28, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m still amused by GMGM’s wink at the Camera as he stood up from the draft table before making the first selection. Was that directed at the Camera, or someone behind it?

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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 28, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

do you have a link to this? I’d love to see it.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Video in the sidebar from aleand. —>

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks! and it was awesome

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I loved it. It also seemed so uncharacteristic for him.

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

George has a sense of humor and more importantly, a sense of honor. I can’t think of any other GM who would go into another team’s locker room to confront a coach about their team’s behavior during a preseason game.

George got into a fight, ended up with a black eye and a suspension, but he also ended up with a team of players that would run through brick walls for him.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 28, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the hawks gm was the one who ended up with the black eye. mcphee might have broken his hand. george is not big, but he didnt mind the fistics as a player.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 28, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

here’s a New York Times article. it was the Blackhawks coach, Lorne Molleken, who found himself on the wrong side of GMGM unleashing the fury.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

George took on anyone and everyone when he played with the Rangers (back when I was in college…) You should check out his fight card at hockeyfights.com

Here it is: http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/9980

In one playoff series in 1987, he went at it with Dave Brown and (wait for it) Craig Berube of the Flyers. In the 1986 playoffs he fought with Rick Tocchet and John Kordic. He also took on Tocchet twice during that regular season as well as Lane Lambert of Detroit twice in one game!

Some tough customers on this list…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

More...

Here’s a list of all of GMGM’s opponents on the ice:

http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/9980/fightcard_quickie

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe to his kid, a la the phone call during the ’06 draft?

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by Bald Pollack on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

by TFG on Jun 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I loved that whole sequence. From the wink, to the announcing the name really quickly and practically walking away from the mic mid-Kuznetsov…just very confident and loose and certain that we got our guy. It almost looked like he was smirking at the rest of the room, but not in a douche-y kind of way.

Basically GMGM > anyone else’s GM.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else feeling a little more suspicious after drafting these Russians that making a FA offer to Volchenkov is part of what the Caps have planned? There’s probably no relation between the draft and FA, but I do wonder if “what we’re doing in Ovechkin” (as GMGM said in explaining why the Caps are not afraid to draft Russian players) carries over to FA. I could also see a critical mass of Russians helping get these guys signed for a little less money.

I have a hunch that the Caps aren’t going to spend a lot to try to fix the 2C situation in FA. I’m not sure if they spend big on D, but you have to think the other Eastern contenders plan to with the way Hamhuis’ rights have been passed around.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Unlikely, in my opinion. With the way Hamhuis is bouncing around, I’d love to sign him on day one of free agency just to spit on both Philly and Pittsburgh, preferably for two years at dirt cheap.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

And as much as we like Hamhuis, we should all keep in mind that it’s not as if he’s the next Nick Lidstrom. He’s just the best of what’s available right now.

Plus the teams going after him were Philly, who just like to stockpile D because they have no one in net (and interesting that after Hamhuis’s rights went away they targeted Nabokov…) and Pittsburgh, who is really getting desperate for NHL-caliber bodies on the blueline.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Pittsburgh, it boggles my mind that Gonchar still thinks he’s worth 5 a year.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Five what? Rubles?

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by STLSpidey on Jun 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Five milly yo

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

all about the Benjamins, baby.

or, as G.O.D says “an agent’s gotta do what an agent’s gotta do.”

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 a year for at least 3 years, right? I think that was the sticking point, Pittsburgh only wants to give him 2 years.

Guy’s 36 and still thinks he commands that type of money and that term. Unreal. I actually want him to stay just because I think he makes their defense stronger if he leaves – addition by subtraction, you know. Of course, their power play will be in trouble if he bolts…kind of a toss up.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their PP sucked this year anyway. And he played 62 games, so its not like he missed most of the season.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. But I seem to recall it REALLY sucked when he was out – we’re talking Caps vs. Montreal in round 1 sucking.

…too soon?

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something like 6% without Gonch, 19% with Gonch.

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he had 30 pts on the PP.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That patented and oh-so-creative move of shooting as hard as possible from the point does work from time to time, I will give him that…

6% without him. Yowch.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I’m more making a snark against those guys. He’s likely not to be worth the cap it he’ll create.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. Snark-o-meter is on the fritz today, sorry :P

But no, he’s probably not worth what he’ll get. And hey, more power to him for going out and trying to get that big fat contract – like Huet 2 years ago, when is the next time someone like Hamhuis will be able to command top dollar as the best thing available? Capitalism, baby.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love that too, but when the guy makes unreasonable demands from Philly and a lot of hockey folks keep saying he’s going to take a discount to play for home-town Vancouver (who want another D and and whose GM made some cryptic “we’re not finished yet” comments about his D corps), there’s too much smoke there. I can’t see him signing with Pitt unless Shero loses his mind. Hamhuis to VAN seems like a mortal lock.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t hear he made unreasonable demands from Philly. I heard he just wasn’t willing to negotiate with them.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hating Philly though I do, refusing to negotiate with a team that just traded for your rights strikes me as a little unreasonable (though I heard he was asking for $5m/year – can’t remember where, but nothing super reliable – which is what I meant in my comment). I can see it if he just wants to be a FA and see what happens, but if you’re not even picking up the phone that suggests you have a destination in mind and Philly’s not it.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, that’s his right. it’s really no different if he had played for Philly all year and decided it’s not a team he wants to return to.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I heard at the Draft re: Hamhuis (check me out – big insider), Hamhuis is much more about his role than the dollars and that’s why Philly was a no-go – they wanted him to be a third-pairing guy and he wants more minutes. Of course, that might make it ultimately about the dollars – in a bigger role, his next contract can be bigger – but it doesn’t seem to be his primary motivation at present, and lends credence to the Hamhuis-to-VAN thinking.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting, thanks JP. It’s amazing that with the salary cap trouble Philly’s already in that they would be making that kind of offer to a guy to be a 3rd pair D. The Pittsburgh situation ought to test this theory out – you’d think he’d at least be a top 4 D on the Pens, whether or not they keep Gonchar.

If I’m Hamhuis, and the Canucks are willing to make a competitive offer and give some kind of NTC to let me play in my hometown, that’s a no-brainer. At least when the town in question is Vancouver.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly continues to amaze me in so many ways. They really need a goalie, but to go after Nabokov – who despite his flaws will probably turn out to be the best of the UFA crop and therefore the most expensive – is bizarre. If they manage to get him it won’t be cheap, and they for sure will have to move salary.

They could easily get any number of goalies cheaper who would at least be an upgrade over Leighton. Just wonder what Holmgren is smoking these days…not that I mind, of course.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They apparently contacted Turco. At least, front page of BSH says, linking to Hradek.

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw that…and he turned them down. Made me laugh.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fantastic.

Hoping they don’t try to go after Theodore.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting stuff JP.

From what I’ve heard (not nearly as connected, I’m sure) it does sound like Pittsburgh is almost trying to “recruit” Hamhuis. Shero’s talked to him and they’re going to have Bylsma talk to the player too — with the agent’s blessing — to kind of show him some love on how the Pens would have him slotted, give him details about what the team would do for him (Shero’s hinted at untapped offensive potential) and all that good stuff.

We’ll see if it works, it’d be a major coup to get him to sign before testing the July 1 waters.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My question is how is Pitt going to afford him. Currently, Pitt has 12.5 Million in Cap space and currently have the following signed: 11 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 2 goalies. At the minimum, they need to sign 1 more forward and 3 more defensemen. I’m also assuming they’d sign up 1 spare forward and 1 spare defenseman.

The free agent forwards include Ponikorovsky, Fedetenko, and Geurin. Note: that trio was primarily folks on our top 2 lines, so I would assume the “spare” forward would be one of the guys already under contract and, so they would sign 2 of the UFA’s at 2 Million apiece so that’s 4 million, even with no raise or just a token raise which leaves 8,8 million to sign the defensemen.

Let’s assume Gonchar does not resign so that’s 5 M eliminated. The incumbent FA’s are Eaton at 2 M and Leopold at 1.75. I would assume we sign up Eaton for at least 2 M and Leopold gets a raise, probably making 2 M. So that’s 4 more Million in salary. Mc Kee, the probable “spare”, currently makes .8 M and would command about the same, I’m guessing. Hence, there is exactly 4 Million left for Hamhuis. Essentially, they could afford him but only if no one gets a raise except Leopold and also if you only sign 2 out of 3 FA forwards and do not sign Gonchar.

 I’m making the assumption that 4 Million is Hamhuis’s price.

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by CapsFan75 on Jun 28, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing about the Penguins, however, is they show no worries about picking up guys on waivers, even after training camp to fill holes. They did it last year with Bourque and the defenseman (Bergeron?).

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Li’l bit o’chatter – Colby Armstrong to PIT. Guess Matt Cooke needs a playmate.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

After the Ballard trade I don’t see how Hamhuis ends up in VAN.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah they already have Ballard, Bieksa, Salo, Edler, Ehrhoff, Alberts and Rome under contract. Not to mention O’Brien (who’s restricted) and Mitchell (who isn’t)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been rumors of Bieksa being on the block. Though I can’t remember where in the media I saw that.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the JRR podcast Sat, Tarik said (in very convincing terms) that the Caps weren’t interested in AV at all.

"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."

by bagace on Jun 28, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was pretty surprised by that. I was also pretty surprised when he said that if the Caps were going to trade one of their young goalies, they’d trade Neuvirth before Varlamov or Holtby.

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by Wheeler on Jun 28, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which upset me. I’m maintaining Neuvirth will have the best career between him and Varlamov, and Holtby is unknown to me yet. I don’t know why you’re saying that anyway at this point, since Varlamov and Neuvirth are both comparables at this point, and Varlamov is likely to fetch more in return. Can’t remember if it was OTB or Habs Eyes on the Prize who went and explained why to trade Halak and keep Price, but it put things to me in perspective for a future situation we may be in.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tarik works hard, and I’m glad he’s our beat writer, but I don’t think he’s a very good judge of hockey talent.

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took that more as his opinion than any hard evidence.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He also said in the org there was some question to Neuvrith’s work habits and attitude.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took it as opinion, but I also took it as his opinion based off of what people in the organization are saying.

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by Wheeler on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he also said management was “in love” with Varlamov.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think by “management” he means Boudreau. I suspect McPhee has a much more balanced view.

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Bruce didn’t mess with the goalies?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

quick, someone tell ’Zilla!

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by bigonetimer on Jun 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he played any other position, I’d agree (regarding attitude). He’s come out and said “This guy gets press, but I’m better.” He’s maybe cocky, but he’s backing it up, and goalie attitudes never scare me, because they’re all fucking nuts.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Something about his cockiness makes me love him, I guess because he’s usually able to back it up.

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s hard to imagine a guy who, after a great win, said “It’s Theo’s streak, I’m just here to help” has a bad attitude.

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by bagace on Jun 28, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and he didn’t make a peep about the crappy situation he was in last season, getting yanked around and wondering where they heck he was going to be playing to next day.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Bruce himself openly questioned Varly’s preparation in his return from injury this season, so there’s that.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was really bored last night and read a bunch of stuff in the archives at Alex Ovetjkin. Tretiak was talking about Varly after his first start in 2008:

Simeon’s work attitude (and I saw him training in Yaroslavl) reminds me of Artur Irbe, who was 50% self-made goalie. I have flown to Irbe in San Jose to help him. He used to come to training earlier than any other team player, worked independently for an hour off the ice. He worked out like crazy. That’s why he was able to carry Carolina to the Stanley Cup finals. If at that time he wouldn’t have family problems I am confident that his team would win. Varlamov is from the same breed as Irbe. I was fortunate to get to know Hasek and Brodeur, even when they train, they wouldn’t allow more than 6-7 goals in hourly training. You can say anything about the statistics, but in this case it says a lot since those goalkeepers allow only one or two goals per game.

The rest of the article is interesting, it talks about how Varly was rough but then started working with the Finnish goalie coach and improved his skills a lot. Sounds like Varly is a very hard worker. He is always hard on himself in interviews so you can tell he expects a lot from himself. Not really sure what happened to Varly after returning from injury, but Bruce thought he wasn’t ready. But in general I think they are pleased with Varly’s work ethic. Perhaps Varly not being ready wasn’t due to him not working hard enough. Maybe he needed to play some more games in Hershey after being out a few months. Perhaps he wasn’t handled correctly.

by vtcapsfan99 on Jun 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think there were a few screw ups in the “handling the goalie” situation during that time frame. It would have been less likely to happen if not for the Olympics.

I personally think Varly needed another start in Hershey before being returned. Even after being brought up then, he was returned to action sooner than expected since Neuvy himself had gotten injured.

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by CapsFan75 on Jun 28, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was just going to point that out. Tarik seemed really, really sure that he wasn’t going to be coming here.

Kinda glad…I think someone’s going to pay him a stupid amount of money, and i’m glad its not going to be DC.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting, thanks for the info. Sounds like I need to check out the JRR with Tarik.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

… which is followed by a half-hour with a cripplingly hungover me.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I told you off the top you sounded like you didn’t want to be there. :)

by freakinandpeakin on Jun 28, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, I’m probably Mr. “Don’t Listen To Anything McPhee Says” around here, but even I believe him when he says the Caps aren’t making an offer on Volchenkov. It just doesn’t make any sense.

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly couldn’t say he was interested because it would have been considered tampering, but usually he’d say something like he’s not discussing FA in the press. So I’m inclined to believe him, but then again, there is that whole poker issue to deal with.

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure I read/heard somewhere that GMGM said he personally called the Ottawa GM and told him he wasn’t interested—he probably felt the need to call because of all the speculation going on.

by difer on Jun 28, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

linky

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by bigonetimer on Jun 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, that’s it. Thanks.

by difer on Jun 28, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know this has been posted before (I just forgot how emphatic GMGM was, though OTOH he’s a lying liar), but it certainly sounds here that, if anything, he’s thinking offense for FA.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Parsing George
and we have made it clear, that we are not going to make an offer there. It was in some reports and on the wire a month ago that we have denied and I have talked to the manager and told him we are not making any offers, so I don’t know where that came from but it is not true.

GMGM could have meant that the Caps were not going to make an offer to the Sens to get exclusive negotiation rights (a la Hamhuis). It would seem extraordinary to bother to contact Bryan Murray re: Volch for any other reason at that particular point in time.

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by bigonetimer on Jun 28, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

he must have been talking about an offer for his rights as there would be no reason for him to talk w/ the ottawa GM about aquiring him after July 1 since the ottawa GM would not have anything to do with those negotiations. either that or by “manager” he’s talking about volchenkov’s agent….again, doubtful as i think that would be considered tampering to talk w/ his agent w/out ottawa’s permission.

i do believe it when i hear that the caps would have no offer for volchenkov, but that’s at an assumed price/term he would probably get in the open market. if he would accept a $3M/year offer then the caps (or most any other team) would jump on that in a heartbeat.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seems right, but it’s hard to know. I guess what I was getting at when starting this thread is that it seems like the Caps can/should make some a low-ball offer in terms of dollars or years and see how much (if any) appeal playing with 3 Russians has for Volchenkov. GMGM explicitly endorsed that tactic when it comes to getting Russian draftees over here. We haven’t really seen it play out in FA yet (and it may never – it’s a different animal than trying to get some teenagers comfortable with making a trans-Atlantic move).

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s completely different because AV has already proven he wants to play in the NHL and that he can do it. If he doesn’t get the money he wants maybe he goes to the KHL, but it’s much less of a risk, especially as a UFA. If you can get him to sign, he plays for you. That’s not necessarily the case with a draftee.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love Sam Carrier's Lewiston Maineiacs Sweater.

The torn stick tape, the missing tooth…fantastic.

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by bagace on Jun 28, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I hear that when the Maineiacs party, they’re dancing like they never danced before.

Look at this signature line. Notice the lack of spelling errors and self-whoring?

by Bald Pollack on Jun 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

A member of the Maineiacs (supposedly) tried to pick up a friend of mine freshman year. She had no idea who the Maineiacs were before I told her.

I will have to try and make it to some games to scout Carrier.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

JT Bourne has a really interesting article about free agency and decisions to be made, from a player’s perspective.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting, but there’s a big difference between playing for $200/week less and playing for $500k/year less. The guy playing for $500k less is still getting several million over the course of his contract.

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tweet from Bob M.

Waivers, likely for buyout purposes: Cheechoo, Ott; Nokelainen, Vandermeer, Phx; Koistinen, Fla; Kotalik, Cgy.

I thought Kotalik had promise with the Sabres, and now he’s being bought out?

Huge flame out for Cheechoo after that one year in SJ, if my memory serves me right.

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by STLSpidey on Jun 28, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I got all excited when I saw Ott, ‘til I realized it was an abbreviation for Cheech’s team and not the player.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did the exact same thing. Sometimes I wonder if the McKenzie’s of the world toy with us like that.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Mac lives for our tears.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kotalik was godawful in NYR. I think they threw him in to make the cap numbers work in the Jokinen deal.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are exactly right. It shows you how systems and line mates can make a huge difference.

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by STLSpidey on Jun 28, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s still owed 3 million each of the next two years, (with a no trade clause!!!)

All for a guy who dropped a sweet 11/16/27 -18 in 71 games last year and 20/23/43 -5 in 75 games before that.

Here’s an interesting fact…Ales Kotalik has never finished with a positive +/- in his entire career. He’s -39 lifetime.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

College players and the draft

OK, I apologize for (a) asking what is probably a question that has already been asked here a few times over the last few days and (b) not taking the time to search any harder than I already have for the answer…but here goes…

How are NHL teams allowed to draft players that are still in college or planning to attend? I know the NCAA has very strict rules about players accepting any kind of professional contract, compensation or even endorsement deals, so I’ve never been sure exactly how this works. I know that in other sports, players who go into the draft lose NCAA eligibility.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

the college guys are drafted meaning the team gets their rights. they arent necessarily signed to a contract right away which preserves their NCAA eligbility. if i recall, it does impact thier ability to participate in summer camps as they would have to pay their own way. teams have a certain period of time to sign these guys or relinquish their rights.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as you have not signed with an agent, you’re still technically an amateur according to the NCAA (well, assuming of course you meet all their other requirements). When the NHL drafts you, they retain your rights for a certain number of years, unlike, say, baseball.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but that doesn’t explain the NBA and NFL. If you declare for the draft you are ineligible for NCAA no matter what happens, even if you aren’t drafted.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

different animals. nba and nfl have different eligiblity rules for the draft. nhl i believe you need to be 18. nba you need to be one year past your high school graduation or something like that. also, in the nba and nfl, once you are drafted you are no longer NCAA eligible.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 28, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, that’s my point and your distinction is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter how old you have to be for the NBA or NFL. The NCAA says “if you don’t take money, you are eligible” for baseball and hockey. But in football and basketball you can not take money and be ineligible simply by declaring for the draft.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s the NCAA. best not to try and make sense of their rules.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money sports versus non-revenue sports. Probably in cahoots with the leagues.

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably?

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so I was being nice.

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by gfcaps fan on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the key word is “declaring”. In football and basketball you declare for the draft; in the NHL and in baseball you don’t, you’re just draft eligible. By declaring you’re essentially saying “I’m a professional now”. In hockey you’re just eligible at a certain point; in baseball there are three different points you’re eligible, and it isn’t up to the player.

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That also makes sense…but then you have whole “chicken and egg” scenario, where basketball and football players need to be required to “declare” because the act of being drafted robs them of their eligibility.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. If a guy were picked and it were out of his control, I can’t imagine the NCAA would declare him ineligible – which is why baseball and hockey draftees can still play.

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your point makes sense, but the NCAA is so nefarious it’s a little hard to believe they have the good intentions when the top two revenue producing sports have different rules than everyone else.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 28, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe it’s the pro leagues who require players to declare whether or not they’re going to be drafted. If that’s the case, it’s the leagues themselves that are creating the different standards, not the NCAA.

And, frankly, I’m not sold on the “NCAA is the root of evil thing”. I’m not saying that it’s a model organization by any stretch, but “the NCAA is horrible and corrupt” seems like it’s one of those “everyone knows that!” things, like “Sidney Crosby only has so many points because of all his secondary assists”, “The Capitals don’t play defense”, or “Hockey in the Sun Belt is a bad idea.”

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not an “everyone knows that!” thing when its actually true. They’re an organization that claims this high moral ground to be all about how great their student athletes are, but constantly does things like increase the number of teams in the basketball tournament (in order to get more BCS conference teams in it), and lately with the football conference realignment that pretty much say its an organization that doesn’t care about anything but making money for its member schools. Not only that, but they make BILLIONS of dollars off these students names, likenesses, and abilities, but will hit a school with sanctions if someone buys them effing LUNCH.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that’s not even bringing up their outright collusion with the NFL and NBA in serving as a de facto minors system for both leagues.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the kind of thing I mean, though. What’s the collusion? How are they de facto minor leagues and, if so, what’s wrong with that?

Again, it may just be ignorance on my part, so if I’m mistaken, please help me understand.

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda explained above about the whole “mutually beneficial” agreements they all have in terms of keeping the draft ages high. Not only that, but the NFL doesn’t play on Saturdays because of College Football.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I don’t see the problem. Yes, it’s mutually beneficial, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong, does it?

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only in the sense of this sort of “fake morality” the NCAA cloaks itself in. Its disingenuous at best, and borderline criminal at worst.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

my problem with it is it means going to NCAA route is the only option. If you want to play professional basketball or football, you have to go to the NCAA. No other options exist. And while you’re in the NCAA, you can’t earn any money with your athletic talent, while the NCAA can potentially be raking in cash because of you.

In the mean time, the NBA and NFL don’t have in invest in minor leagues or other developmental leagues. The NCAA does all the hard work (and makes a boatload of money while doing it) and the professional leagues reap the rewards.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well now the European basketball leagues are starting to look like an option.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I were a top prospect now, that’s where I’d go.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too. Go hang out in Italy for a year or two…

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No question. Tons of life experience, making actual money, women that aren’t college chicks. Beautiful.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tons of life experience, making actual money, women that aren’t college chicks.

My guess is that those last two would result in more life experiences than you bargained for ;)

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure beats the frat house ;)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just ask Mike Richards and his Flyers posse.

by EmilyB on Jun 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

::applauds:: Nice.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. You can have an "everyone knows that!" situation even when something’s true. Look at the Blackhawks and the Flyers – everyone knew the weaknesses of the respective teams were in net, but a lot of people just repeated those facts ad nauseum and wrote the teams off rather than discussing the team’s overall strengths and weaknesses and whether they could be overcome. You could say the same thing about the Capitals and how the knee-jerk analysis was to question their goaltending and defense.

I fail to see the issue with the football conference realignment – though I really know very little. If the teams want to realign, what’s the NCAA’s role?

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s in the NCAA’s interest to have the Pac-10 and Big 10 expand to 12 teams. Now both of those conference have championship football game. think of all the extra money.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that, but the Big 10 made 66 million dollars in profits last year on top of 60 million in rights fees for the Big 10 Network. That’s an awful lot of scratch.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re the driving force behind it or that they’re doing anything wrong.

by David Getz on Jun 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It becomes wrong when they try to claim they’re an organization that cares so much about the “student” in student-athlete when its clear they’re just all about money. You can’t claim that moral high ground and then take actions that not only shut out smaller schools, but squeeze even more resources out of your students.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They get 3 or 4 huge “megaconferences” and then they can decide that a playoff is a good idea instead of trying to keep selling people the Bowl Championship Series (even going to the lengths of creating twitter accounts and webpages in order to sell the system’s merits).

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe it’s the pro leagues who require players to declare whether or not they’re going to be drafted. If that’s the case, it’s the leagues themselves that are creating the different standards, not the NCAA.

I could be off-base, but I guess my assumption was that the NFL and NBA sat down and worked out agreements with the NCAA. Wasn’t this the case during the recent rule change banning straight from HS to pros in basketball? I’m sure the NCAA puts the screws to the leagues to keep players around for as long as they can — and there’s nothing necessarily wrong with that, as it gives kids a chance to mature and also get post-HS education opportunities they otherwise wouldn’t take.

I’m by no means an eligibility expert, but it’s just a little too convenient to me that the NCAA would require a 3rd year football player to declare for the NFL (and forfeit college eligibility) where as they don’t mind say, NCAA hockey players have their professional rights claimed by an NHL team at any point during or before their NCAA hockey career.

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 28, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its mutually beneficial for both leagues. The NBA and NFL avoid having high profile kids come into the league and going batshit crazy (like Leon Smith), the NCAA gets to keep continuity in its teams and build stars, and it also helps the Unions because it keeps the kids out of the league and not taking the jobs of older guys.

Its still pretty messed up for a kid who’s family is eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that he can’t provide for them by going pro and making money.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

as it gives kids a chance to mature and also get post-HS education opportunities they otherwise wouldn’t take.

one-and-dones don’t exactly go to class. I despise that rule.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This probably isn’t the right point to interject this question, but how does this line of argument relate to the “No CHL kids in the AHL rule” that the NHL/AHL have agreed to?

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t get why the CHL has one set of rules, but every other feeder system has another.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its something that’s mutually beneficial for all parties involved, which I guess is enough these days.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

because the CHL thinks they’re special?

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, first off, they are special. The CHL is far and away the best junior league in the world. The other leagues are true pro-leagues so saying you can’t go from the SEL to the AHL makes marginally less sense than the CHL rule. At the end of the day, though, it’s all about leverage for the CHL. What would happen if the NFL tried to start a minor league football league that would compete with NCAA football? It would get shot down immediately.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t the CHL pretty much run itself as a de facto professional league? I know they have education programs, but the players don’t have to attend, correct? And they get their college paid for if they so wish?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a professional league, despite what anyone says. They all get stipends and anyone signed to an NHL contract gets substantially more. They have an education program but once you’ve crossed a time-served/money-earned threshold you lose your eligibility to it.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was one thing that always stuck out for me about Sean Avery in that interview he had with George Stromboloupolopolopolpolous where he talked about how he never really got to go to school and get an education. That struck me as very sad.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no ability to show any sympathy for Avery. Aside from being a total douche, he has all the money he’ll ever need if he wants to pursue an education. Maybe he could have taken summer classes instead of an internship for a fashion magazine.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen. Even Ricky got his Grade 10. /obscure reference

But seriously, the way some of these guys essentially get their education in hockey and nothing else is perhaps troubling. I won’t go further than perhaps because this is a widespread phenomenon outside of junior hockey, but it does make you wonder.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t get what you mean. Why is it troubling?

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I’m actually massively confused about this, so let me just boil my comment down to this: I would hope that a player in a junior league would have the opportunity, if they want to, to pursue a high school-level education and still play. So I’m referring to the 16 year-old Avery entering the OHL – I think his education shouldn’t halt there if he doesn’t want it to. Having said that, I assume it is possible to keep getting an education, so my comments were more or less just flotsam.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he can keep going to school if he wants to and if you don’t make it as a pro hockey player they have a fund to help pay for a college education. If you make it as a pro they assume you can pay your own way, so they disqualify you from the education fund.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the solid info.

by grapejoos on Jun 28, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also know that baseball players are no longer eligible once they sign a professional contract (which is really what it’s all about). NBA and NFL players are expected to be available to play for their parent club immediately, so they are in that sense different from baseball and/or hockey players.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

right, but you can also be drafted, not sign, and go back into the draft the following year with baseball.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, well based on replies below, it would appear that drafting teams maintain rights until that player exits the NCAA, which would make sense.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jun 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you could declare, but as long as you hadn’t signed with an agent, you could back out prior to the draft and remain NCAA clear.

maybe it has to do with the way the NFL and NBA use colleges as minor leagues? You can’t enter those drafts until you been out of high school, and let’s be honest that means playing at an NCAA program 99% of the time, for a certain number of years. MLB and NHL can both draft kids still in high school.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you lose eligibility when you declare but you may be right about the agent distinction. I’m pretty sure I remember an NCAA basketball player declaring but not signing an agent and still losing eligibility.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Vasquez at Maryland declared for the NBA draft last year and then backed out to spend his senior year at Maryland, but maybe he didn’t formally declare (I assume there’s paperwork and whatnot)

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t hire an agent. Once you hire an agent your eligibility is gone.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he did declare, right?

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. You can declare and not hire an agent and still go back, at least in basketball.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They work out for teams, to get a sense of where (if at all) they’ll be picked, and they usually will advise them to go back to school if it looks like they aren’t going to be picked very high.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

do teams cover the expenses of these draft-hopefuls to come work out with them? That alone would probably cost you NCAA eligibility.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think not since that would constitute one of them there “illegal benefits”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

NCAA kids going to rookie camp pay their own way.

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would. Related, when the Caps have Development Camp, any of their NCAA prospects have to pay their own travel, hotels, etc., whereas the other guys don’t.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. That’s why pretty much every school has an “NCAA Compliance Officer” of some sort to make sure the athletes are aware of that stuff.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once – if you’ve withdrawn from a prior Draft and then declare, you can’t withdraw again, your eligibility is simply gone.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't know that.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been cases, at least in terms of Mike Williams and Maurice Clarett in the NFL, of guys who declared for the draft, were found to be ineligible for the Draft, and weren’t allowed to go back to their schools.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Clarett was also found to have violated a whole slew of NCAA regulations. He also tried to declare a year early because, iirc, Ohio State was about to kick him out.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…he tried to challenge the age rule, and so did Mike Williams. Williams wasn’t allowed to return to USC, and it probably killed his football career. He missed an entire year, got drafted by the Lions, and I think ate himself out of the league.

Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett was suspended by his school following his 2002 freshman year. After being unable to gain reinstatement with Ohio State, Clarett made the decision to declare for the NFL Draft. However, since Clarett was only of true sophomore eligibility, he had to legally challenge the NFL rule that a player must be three years removed from high school to be eligible for the NFL Draft. After a court proceeding, a federal judge ruled that the NFL could not legally bar Clarett from entering the 2004 NFL Draft.

Williams, having completed his sophomore year and only two years removed from high school, made the decision to declare for the 2004 NFL Draft as well after hearing the federal judge’s ruling. Williams hired an agent and moved forward presenting himself as a legitimate first round pick (and most, if not all, NFL pundits and NFL personnel agreed that Williams was a first round choice). By declaring his intent to enter the draft, hiring an agent to represent his interests, and filing the NFL paperwork necessary to enter the draft, he made himself ineligible for NCAA reinstatement.

Still prior to the 2004 NFL Draft, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, overturned the Federal Judge’s decision allowing Clarett to enter the Draft. Additionally, the United States Supreme Court refused to hear a final appeal. Clarett and Williams were ineligible for the 2004 NFL Draft.

As Williams was ineligible for NCAA reinstatement, he was required to sit the entire 2004 football season and was not allowed to practice with USC as well.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote a sweet paper in law school about Clarett, eligibility and related issues.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both things are really tragedies. The NCAA is one of the most corrupt organizations on the entire earth.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

NCAA, IOC, and FIFA are quite the trifecta.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

But nowhere near FIFA

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you declare for the draft you are ineligible for NCAA no matter what happens, even if you aren’t drafted.

I could have sworn you could declare for the draft, but still remain elligible as long as you didn’t sign with an agent.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

never mind, didn’t realize how much further this discussion went.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 28, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it has to do with eligibility issues – MLB drafts high schoolers going to college as well. It’s a matter of if they sign, they’re done in college, I believe.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Contract != draft, maintaining rights until the guy exits.

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the replies, I do realize that being drafted and signing a contract are 2 different things, but doesn’t the drafting team only have a limited amount of time to get that player under contract? I assumed it was a year, but I could be wrong. If that were the case, it would make it hard to get a guy under contract who is still planning on playing NCAA hockey.

Regardless, I trust GMs and such know what they’re doing when they draft these guys and not just throwing picks away (or at least trying not to), but I just didn’t know how it worked with the NCAA rules.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jun 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s generally 2 years to get the guy under contract, but for Russians it is indefinite because of the lack of transfer agreement and for NCAA players you have until they graduate.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That really gives NHL GMs a LOT more to work with when it comes to taking chances on younger players, compared to other pro leagues! (they don’t have to worry about wasting a draft pick on a guy that will elect to stay in college). Thanks for the clarification.

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by PaintDrinkingPete on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per Hradek, Flyers also tried to contact Marty Turco. There’s a story up on the front page of BSH.

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

link to ESPN

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

what time is the deadline for QO to RFA’s?

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

There is a reason that most players who become unrestricted free agents end up leaving the Rangers every year; Slats does not have the advantage, he isn’t willing to pay the bucks, so the player takes off and gets that money elsewhere.

Yeah… Sather won’t spend money. Haha. Maybe the UFAs leave because he’s already spent the money on other outside UFAs and can’t afford his homegrown players. But sure, convince yourself otherwise.

For the record, I’d be in total favor of acquiring Staal for the right price.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

For the record, I’d be in total favor of acquiring Staal for the right price.

Ditto. Forget Hamhuis and Volchenkov, M. Staal’s going to be very good for a very long time.

by Becca H on Jun 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was that stat in the hilarious Pronger Norris snub thread, that the only guy with a qualcomp above .100 and a lower GAOn/60 than Pronger was Marc Staal?

Wow.

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s the only Staal brother I approve of.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record, I’d be in total favor of acquiring Staal for the right price.

I agree, but I also think in this hypothetical he would have to REPLACE one of Green, Schultz, Alzner, or Carlson; not be ADDED to that list. I don’t want a blue-line of entirely under-25 players and Poti. Gotta have some legit experience IMO.

by GusDaMan on Jun 28, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sensitive to the experience, but I’d rather have a quality player. While those guys are almost all young, Green, Schultz, and Staal have a lot more games and experience than their age would tend to suggest. The problem is I don’t know how you re-sign the 4 homegrown boys if you commit to Staal.

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by Rob Parker on Jun 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then there’s this pesky issue of compensation as he is a RFA.

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by CapsFan75 on Jun 28, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caps Qualify Nine

Kindly discuss the news here.

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by J.P. on Jun 28, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Ken Campbell writes that Donald Fehr will be interim NHLPA executive director through the negotiations for the next collective bargaining contract.

very very interesting. bears watching.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s a good thing. Incompetence was their biggest problem. At least that guy knows how these things go

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so, too. No one is eager for another stoppage, and Fehr is accomplished at getting favorable CBAs.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not a good thing if his presence leads to another labor dispute

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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 28, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tales from the Draft Floor (Earl Sleek, Battle of California)

Short version: apparently JP is pretty cool, systems are a bit funny

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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

hilarious read, and I’m only up to accidentally crashing the PHWA meeting.

I won’t go through what was discussed or who I saw there — it certainly wasn’t my business to be in the room, but there were a lot of “fucks” thrown around in that conversation, and I can’t help giggling every time and whispering over to Connie, “How unprofessional!”

fabulous.

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by RedBirdie on Jun 28, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inneresting. Did J.P. keep a journal?

by CapitalCentre on Jun 28, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Mike Knuble ($2.800m)
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

That’s a really good looking team. Good lord.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think Willie Mitchell goes for?

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by gotsparkly on Jun 28, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather Willie Mitchell, even if it meant dumping my favorite Lumberjack.

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by Whiter Mage on Jun 28, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Gould Old Days on Jun 28, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm. Prob out of our price range then.

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by gotsparkly on Jun 28, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here I was looking at salary instead of cap hit for Bergeron; I’d been throwing around the 5.75 number.

That’s going to make him even harder to get in trade with BOS, assuming he’s available at all. We’d probably have to eat significant salary, or give up a bluechip prospect/picks.

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