Saturday Caps Clips: The Caps Get Their Man
by EmilyB on Jun 26, 2010 4:38 AM EDT
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Your savory Saturday brunch links:
- Be sure to tune in to Japers' Rink Radio this morning at 10:00 to hear guests Tarik El-Bashir and our own J.P. live from Los Angeles.
- With a sly wink to the cameras and a wicked grin, George McPhee strode to the microphone in the Staples Center and used the 26th pick in the first round to select 18-year-old Russian center Евгений Кузнецов. [Japers' Rink, WaPo, NHL, Vogs, Caps Insider (again), PHT, Ed Frankovic, Corey, SBNation, RMNB]
- Interviews [Mahoney, McPhee, Kuznetsov]
- Mike Knuble was honored in his home state on Friday night by being selected as the final torch-bearer and lighter-of-the-Flame at the inaugural Meijer State Games of Michigan. [Grand Rapids Press, (Video One, Video Two)]
- Prior to the beginning of the 2009-2010 season, Alex Ovechkin spent a few days in Canada doing some promotional appearances. One of those was a private event for Energizer Canada. Part of his commitment for this promotion was to return to Canada to host a clinic for a local kids' team. The lucky team was chosen by lottery, and after many delays, Ovie was finally able to make good on his promise with a long journey from Las Vegas to Ajax, Ontario following the NHL Awards. He made a whole bunch of kids very happy. [CTV Video]
- Chris Bourque to the Kontinental Hockey League? Not so fast. [Caps Insider]
- Finally, happy 30th birthday to John Erskine.
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Wow everyone must be hung over from partying over Kuznetsov. Anyone else a little worried that the Pens will figure out how to sign Hamhuis?
They could sign Hamhuis, but it is insurance as much as anything (the premium being a third rounder). It is unlikely that they can fit both Gonchar and Hamhuis under the cap. They have about $47.5 million in cap space devoted to 17 roster spots. Only four defensemen are on that roster. They certainly cannot afford all of Gonchar, Hamhuis, and Leopold (all UFA’s). They could conceivably sign Hamhuis and Leopold, and let Gonchar go. But all this maneuvering with defensemen leaves unsettled the problem of not having any true first line wingers. And signing two of these three could foreclose that possibility. The good thing for the Penguins in this is that they do not have any prospects they will have to give raises to after this season, so they have a bit of breathing room on that score.
I have to give Shero marks for this move in that he’s preserved options for himself on defense. But the other side of that coin is that he is going to have difficulty shoring up the forwards, unless Eric Tangradi comes in and has a Calder-worthy season (or they obtain, say a Kris Versteeg at an affordable, but cap-bumping, $3.1 million).
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I don’t think they have the assets to acquire Versteeg, but I’m sure they’d love him. Tangradi is going to be on the big club next season and even if he’s not Calder worthy he’ll probably be better than what they’ve been working with. Hooks Orpik is operating under the dream that Paul Kariya or Ray Whitney will take a discount to go play for PIT (specifically Kariya because of his history with Lemieux). It’s possible, but I don’t know how likely. I wouldn’t want to rely on a veteran taking a non-home-team discount at this point. Though Kariya does want a Cup and won’t get anything near the money he had on his last deal, so maybe.
I waited all year for this?
Tangradi is pretty much PIT’s only notable offensive prospect, so I’m with you in the club that they wouldn’t trade him for Versteeg.
Signing a cheap FA is more likely.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Ray Whitney or Paul Kariya?
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I think it’d tear me to pieces if Kariya went to Pittsburgh. I’ve been a fan of his for a long time, and I have no logical reason why!
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I’m going totally with emotion and no hockey sense whatsovever here, for me it’s because of how he got decked the Cup final against New Jersey.
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That was a huge moment, but I loved Kariya ever since the Olympics when he and Forsberg had that amazing gold medal battle. Both of those guys became one of my favorite players in that game alone. I was also a Maine Blackbear fan when I was younger and that’s where Kariya played.
I waited all year for this?
I remember that vividly. Salo made a good save on Kariya
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 26, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always like Kariya as well. And like WM, I have no idea why either. I blame Disney marketing, and being an impressionable youth in the early to mid 90’s
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 26, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
there needs to be a support group: When I was 12, I listed “The Mighty Ducks” as my favorite movie.
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Anaheim is my western team for several reasons — no shame in that.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 26, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I generally like ANA as well. I hate Corey Perry but aside from that there are a lot of players I like on ANA. And now with them drafting Fowler how can I root against them? Throw in Etem and Gardiner and ANA is developing a nice core of Americans (of course, Ryan too).
I waited all year for this?
It’s common to have a big downturn after winning the Cup, in this salary cap era, isn’t it? But now they seem to be building themselves back up in a pretty intelligent way. And it is lovely to see Americans — even boys from the sunbelt — making their mark.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 26, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know how many teams have had a big downturn. You can look at DET and PIT and they’ve had staying power. CAR and TBL both fell off quickly, ANA was pretty good until they had to get rid of Pronger for money reasons. But yeah, moving Pronger has really allowed ANA to reload very quickly.
I waited all year for this?
OK, maybe not so common. But not wholly abnormal either. Whatever, I only keep half an eye on Anaheim most of the time — I paid more attention when they were making the playoffs and the Caps weren’t, so I’m not in a rush to go back to that.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 26, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think it’s too soon to know what the real trend is in the salary cap era. We’ll see how well CHI holds it together and whether PIT and DET rebound or not. I do think it’ll be very difficult to keep a team as a top contender for 5 or more seasons.
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by Rob Parker on Jun 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just think it’s too soon to know what the real trend is in the salary cap era.
It irks me when people say “oh, it’s impossible to hold together a team in the cap era” etc. We don’t know whether it is or not yet. Teams spent money on FAs in the first couple of offseasons like they did before the cap era (Redden, Drury, etc) and only now are getting off those contracts. We’ll see as GMs are more and more cautious about overpaying.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hooks Orpik is operating under the dream that Paul Kariya or Ray Whitney will take a discount to go play for PIT (specifically Kariya because of his history with Lemieux). It’s possible, but I don’t know how likely
I think they’d had 3 million to sign a vet, which is actually a raise for Whitney, so it’s not like they’d be asking for a huge discount. Or if they could get Versteeg for a first next year and a prospect like Jeffrey that could fill that too. Who knows, just throwing out possibilities.
$3 million for a wing, bring up Tangradi and then there’s $7 million for two defensemen, which means Lovejoy’s in the top six.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, it could work. I think moving that first for Versteeg is a huge gamble, and I doubt Shero does it. I also doubt Jeffrey is a good enough prospect to make CHI accept the deal. If ATL needed to move Morin for Buff, I don’t think they’d take Jeffrey for Versteeg.
I would walk from Whitney if I were PIT. He’s a 35+ and he wants 3 years (as of the trade deadline). If you could talk him down to 2 that would be a good deal, I’m just not sure he’d do that. We’ll see how the negotiations play out July 1 and how much choice Whitney really has in the matter.
I waited all year for this?
Whitney wanted 3 years but no one took him. He’ll have to bow to the market and I hope he realizes that realistically he needs to be a year-to-year type guy.
I would sign Whitney for 2, I think it’s a lot similiar to the Knuble situation wher he still has enough gas in the tank to make it worth.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 26, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. And his shortcomings, bad on defense and soft as tissue, are shortcomings that PIT can compensate for with the rest of the lineup. He’s great in the offensive zone so if you pair him with Sid or Geno he should be very productive. I’d say he might be at least as productive as Pascual Dupuis plus Chris Bourque.
I waited all year for this?
he wants 3 years
So does Eric Belanger. No thanks to either for that term.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s up with that picture of Kooz? Is he flashing his gang sign? Auditioning for Glee? Trying to fly away? Just too daggone happy?
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That photo makes me love him even more.
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by Jake Shapiro on Jun 26, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m in Yerevan (Armenia) for the weekend. I missed last night’s first round (time difference). My mom just turned on the TV and, lo and behold, TSN replaying the draft so far :)
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Nah, actually, I thought it was decent television.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I always like to hear the guys’ analysis on the spot and talking and stuff.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Bob it just would have been absolutely crazy if they announced Tyler Hall instead of Taylor!
Sorry, had to get that out of my system.
by TFG on Jun 26, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I could listen to BMac talk about hockey all day long. His love and devotion to the sport just do not seem to waver.
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by ThePeerless on Jun 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree. Was referring to a conversation from last night.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
My facebook news feed is hilarious. It’s like CI central. People are freaking out because McPhee drafted “another soft Russian” and not “the crease-clearing defenseman we need.”
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jun 26, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
I’m not a huge fan of the pick. But not because it wasn’t a S@H D. I don’t think the Caps need Semin lite.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. me too. Definitely not sure I wanted a crease-clearing D or Tinordi. Hopefully Kuznetsov will just mature and become a consistent player. There’s time yet..
I wanted Tinordi, but with him off the board, I’m ok with Kuznetsov.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. It’s not odd for an 18 year old to have consistency issues. I didn’t love or hate the pick last night but now I at least like it. He was by far the most talented and furthest developed player available. We’ll see if the consistency stuff can be cured, but even inconsistent he’s likely to put up numbers that rival or destroy those of the players picked after him. Hooks Orpik watched a lot of Team Russia at the WJC and he swears that Kuznetsov was easily the best Russian. That’s helped soften the blow a little.
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In 5 years, when he’s 23 and it’s actually somewhat reasonable to expect production at the NHL level out of him, I suspect they’ll have need of the scoring.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure they’ll need scoring, but I’d prefer a player that has a more consistent projection than Semin. Obviously things can change and we won’t know until then, but that’s just my preference. I was hoping for (at the time of the pick) someone like Etem or Nelson, who can bring a good amount of offense but don’t have the reputation of disappearing at times.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
From the little I saw in clips, I liked what I saw. He doesn’t strike me as Semin, looked more like Malkin (again, small sample size). We’re also projecting him as a center, where we’re really not that deep organizationally.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if he plays more like Malkin, he still has the reputation of dominating one game, and disappearing the next (also similar to Malkin, strangely).
I’d be willing to sacrifice a bit of offense for consistency and knowing what you are going to get night in and night out.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
No one is going to score one point in every single game.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It goes beyond points and goes into effort. With Semin you don’t know if you’re getting the one that dominates Carolina or the one that plays like Flash in the playoffs.
I’d like a player that you know you’re getting effort out of him and that he’s bringing something to the ice, even if it’s not points.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Semin and Flash are guys who if they aren’t bringing points wouldn’t bring anything to the ice anyway. With purely offensive skilled players, that’s all you get, except maybe some good defense. Ovechkin is a once in a generation guy, seeing as he also hits, plays decent defense, and is an offensive phenom. Bondra brought decent defense, but overall he was just a fast guy with a sweet shot.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I kind of hit post before typing the rest of my thoughts.
Yeah, guys like Laich are impressive, but they’re not really first round picks. I don’t know who else really stands out like Kuznetsov did in terms of skill and development that really fits the bill of being a gritty every day kind of guy.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think this is all accurate. There are a lot of guys that bring something else when they aren’t scoring, even talking offensive guys. If Parise goes into a slump, he’s still forechecking hard and playing D. Jeff Carter and Mike Richards are exceptional defensive talents. Ryan Getzlaf is a tough SOB that is hard to play against regardless of whether he’s scoring. Joe Pavelski doesn’t have the offensive flair, but he’ll do all the little things. Etc. etc.
I waited all year for this?
I didn’t explain it right – I’m more saying that sometimes there’s pure offensive guys who have good passing and shooting, and little else, and there’s a place for those guys if they can put up 35+ goals or 80+ points a season, and a lot of those guys are going to go in the early rounds.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And yes, Semin and Flash bring nothing but offense (though Semin can bring excellent PK if he’s used as such). But if they bring the offense in the regular season, then they shrink in the playoffs, there’s no use for them. If the choice is between an 85 point player that either dominates, or is terrible, and provides nothing in the playoffs, or a 65 point player that is consistent, doesn’t run so hot and cold, and his game remains flat (at least) in the playoffs, I’ll take the 65 pt player.
When they aren’t scoring they can be wearing down the other team’s D, or at least maintaining the puck, drawing penalties, and being a general pain in the ass. Players like Flash do absolutely zero of these things, and if I’m making a team, I have no use for them.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not our situation, but sometimes you need the regular season scorer just to get to the playoffs.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I say fuck off to players like Flash. With Green, Backstrom, and Ovechkin, offense is not the Caps problem.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
heck, the Caps were that team just 3 seasons ago. needed every one of those 65 goals to make the playoffs.
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And now they’re not. Players like Flash are not nearly as important to the Caps as he would be to almost any other team.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Which I have also said and agree with.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not advocating for Semin or Flash or Kuznetsov, but teams can go from high scoring to clawing for goals very quickly. Not saying that will happen to the Caps, and I’ll be pissed if it does, but in the three seasons immediately following the lockout, Buffalo was a goal scoring machine. These past two seasons, not so much. Heck, in 2008-2009, Boston was the second highest scoring team; dead last in 09-10.
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Boston went from 2nd in the league in goals in 08-09 to next to last in 09-10. Granted, they lost kessel, but that’s also why you need to have guys in the pipeline.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 26, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston went from 2nd in the league in goals scored in 08-09 to next to last in 09-10. Granted, they lost kessel, but that’s also why you need to have guys in the pipeline
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
not that I should blindly trust nhl.com, but it’s showing Boston as last with 2.39/game.
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Maybe its my mistake for using ESPN, who had Calgary listed with 204 GF and Boston with 206. Not sure how Shoot Out Win “goals” are factored into the team scoring.
Either way, they went from one extreme to the other
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 26, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm, maybe NHL.com doesn’t include shoot out goals? They have Boston listed at 196.
but, yeah, point made! Crash and burn in the goal scoring department is not unheard of.
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The huge difference is that the Caps have AO and Baxter locked up. Your point is well taken, and I’ve always advocated best player available. I just don’t think a scoring crash and burn is in our cards.
I waited all year for this?
I advocate best available as well. That jives with the point was that just because we have scoring now, doesn’t mean you purposefully overlook a potential scorer in the first round if he’s the best available.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 26, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But if they bring the offense in the regular season, then they shrink in the playoffs, there’s no use for them.
Kuznetzov has been at his best in his biggest games. He was captain of his U18 team. I don’t see any indication he’ll shrink in the playoffs.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Semin brings more than nothing when he’s not scoring. IIRC his playoff Corsi was fantastic, so while he wasn’t getting the numbers, he wasn’t a complete defensive liability either. I’d take that easily. Flash seems to shrink as the season goes along, but I don’t see Semin shrinking in the playoffs. He just seems to get frustrated when things don’t go in and his playmaking breaks down.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus I’m miffed that you’re lumping Sasha with Flash, since at least Semin plays dece defense and we can comfortably put him on the PK and even hope for a shortie.
/Semin lobby :D
Get over it. Semin is just like Flash, just on the extremes at both ends.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I did mention that you can get excellent PK/D from Semin if he’s used as such. My main point is that you don’t what you’re getting from him on a nightly basis. And they were just examples of players that brought offense in the regular season but couldn’t in the playoffs.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah my response was to WM’s original comment, and your reply showed up after I posted mine. To your point, I’d take the 65 pt player too, even if I love Sasha.
Is the 65 point player hypothetically created with Pavelski in mind? Seems the type.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t have Pavelski in mind, specifically. But certainly that kind of player.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Drafting for need at 26 is, for lack of a better term, ridiculous. Who are you gonna get at that spot who’s going to have any impact your current need? Guys are that point are years away – at 26, you take the best available player, and the Caps did exactly that.
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by J.P. on Jun 26, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Heh, you’re not going to find that cease clearing defenseman that’s ready to impact the team immediately at 26, and anyone who thinks otherwise should probably understand that the caps have been tremendously fortunate having Carlson, Green, Schultz etc. all develop moderately quickly for late first rounders.
Better off hunting via trade or free agency.
by TFG on Jun 26, 2010 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that the Caps got 3 top-4 defense men out of late first rounders is a little crazy. That Jeff Schultz appears to be the “late bloomer” of the bunch at 24 is insane.
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the Caps got 3 top-4 defense men out of late first rounders
Which one aren’t you counting: Green, Schultz, Alzner or Carlson ? < grin >
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Never mind. reading fail. Alzner wasn’t late.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
At the time, Finley looked like a long shot with a high ceiling. Best potential available?
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree. If you wanted a longshot with a high ceiling they should have gone for TJ Oshie.
I waited all year for this?
Well, a balance. And sometimes scouts are wrong.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Finley would be an NHLer now, but for the rules changes that make his specie of defenseman a dying breed. The ability to abuse opponents in the crease, clutch, grab, hold up opponents at the blue line, all gone. Finley was drafted for a different game altogether.
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by ThePeerless on Jun 26, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Go look at Luke Schenn and tell me whether you think you’re going to find that crease clearing D that is ready to impact the team immediately at 4.
The big mean tough physical stay at home crease clearing defenseman is the Holy Grail of hockey prospects. So much time, hope and energy has been spent searching and almost all of it fruitless.
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by Rob Parker on Jun 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t you just love those CI “we need a crease-clearing D” posts, as if an 18 year old is going to come in and play that role?
by pga3 on Jun 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think a lot of people forget that seeing how many of these guys have come in and made a first-year impact. They want a Tyler Myers or a Drew Doughty, forgetting that guys like that just aren’t going to fall clear to 26. I was shocked that Cam Fowler fell to 12th, though it was worth it see what the Ducks GM’s expression of shocked glee looks like.
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Those teams (apart from Edmonton and Boston) are really gonna regret passing on him.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Teams with the biggest regret will be FLA, CBJ, TBL, and NYR. Just my early prediction.
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This weeks show with Tarik El-Bashir and JP is now up on itunes.
by freakinandpeakin on Jun 26, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
I’m still holding out hope for Jarnkrok, the guy Ice Warrior mentioned earlier in the week.
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"It's not fair. He's just a pitcher." - Dave Jageler
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I was hoping he would fly under the radar but after this mornings tweets from Jeff Marek that want work.
The draft continues later today. And someone is going to get a very god player in Calle Jarnkrok. The Islanders, w/pick 30 were down to…
..him and Brock Nelson. Jarnkrok would be a great pivot for Taylor Hall at #31. Smallish, but great skill and plays hard. Point a game in
.the SEL as an 18 year old. Plus, coolest name in the draft – Jarnkrok translates to “Iron Hook”.
What can I say I’m a JP fangirl. I will follow him into the darkest and filthiest of alleys, even the comment section at Puck Daddy.
I know…I responded to him telling him to not reveal our secret weapon!
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
When does the second round of the draft start? I just want to see the first 10-15 picks so I can hope we traded Flash to get another quality prospect.
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1 PM ET.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
shoot, I have my day planned all wrong. I’m lazing around now before I head to BBQ at 1.
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So sad. I’d rather take a chance with one of these unproven prospects than continue to go with Flash.
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Sorry. The pragmatist in me coming out. Unless GMGM played a hell of a round of poker last night, nothing worth watching is going to happen with the Caps today.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Not for a while, anyway – the Caps don’t have a pick in the second round. Unless they decide to strike a deal with someone. Probably the best thing to do is follow on Twitter.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
By the time the Caps pick it should be about time for USA/Ghana, no?
"It's always good to have vikings."
By the time the Caps pick the USA will have won the Cup. In 2014.
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Jun 26, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s it… convince yourselves it was a good move. Ah, to be a Rangers fan.
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Hmmm. I didn’t think I was that bad but I’m not allowed to post comments there anymore.
I waited all year for this?
Wow…most polarizing SBN hockey commenter?
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess so. You’re in that thread. You can tell me where I crossed the line. I didn’t say anything that their own commenters didn’t say and I didn’t get personal so I’m not really sure what happened.
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To be honest I only saw a couple of your comments, though I didn’t see anything wrong. You’re kind of like SkinnyFish in that you comment towards extremes to prove a point, and people don’t get that it seems.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I also bring a lot of sarcasm that can be misinterpreted, but I didn’t think I was bad. The most edge I brought was in response to the statement that “MDZ is 5 times the offensive weapon that Fowler is” and that McIlrath is “ten times the enforcer and defender.” Those are ridiculous (and made up) statements so I think I was justified in calling them out. How would you even quantify that?
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Yeah, I’m banned for bashing a Rangers draft pick on draft day. That’s the message I got. So what about the 50% of the community there that also doesn’t like him? And how do you ban a person after you respond in the middle of an argument. Fucking Rags fans.
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He also hid or deleted all of your posts. What a freaking coward! I’d expect that kind of move out of OFB, not another SB blog.
I can tell you, I read the entire thread before the comments were gone. There was NOTHING there but some hockey analysis and a little ribbing. This didn’t come close to Canes Country or to the average MarioD exchange.
As far as I’m concerned, Fortunato or whoever did it is way out of line.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think it was Fortunato. I honestly didn’t think I was even close to the line, much less over it. The one commenter even said he appreciated my take. Yeah, I don’t like the McIlrath pick, but I wasn’t alone. There were Rangers fans there that didn’t like the pick and I just articulated it a little more forcefully, maybe. They can like McIlrath, but ripping on Fowler to justify the pick is wrong and stupid, IMO. He didn’t really refute any of my critiques either. I guess banning is just easier than arguing.
I waited all year for this?
(and what I just posted about it may have been a step too far, but I suppose I probably don’t have to worry about it since it’ll probably be hidden/deleted and me banned as well)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I wonder if they even respond. I wasn’t all that shocked when CC banned/warned/whatever’d me. This did come out of nowhere. I had my elbows and stick down, I just disagreed with their position.
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I’m not afraid to say I think you crossed the line at CC (but only after provocation).
I’m not afraid to say you routinely cross the line at BSH — and everyone loves it and gets a kick out of it. If not for the long established history, what you do there would probably be over the top. But it’s OK because everyone understands what’s going on.
This BB conversation was not even close to the line. Unless you said something just before you got banned that I never saw, all you were doing was disagreeing politely.
These guys are RANGERS FANS for crying out loud! I can’t believe they can’t take a little heat.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d agree that I was over the line at CC after things had escalated. I said I don’t like what that place brings out in me, and that’s why I don’t go back. But this wasn’t that.
And BSH is funny because I push that line specifically with MarioD. I don’t think it’s over the line if only because I’ve discussed it with Ben and Geoff and pretty much have tacit, if not explicit, approval.
I don’t think there was anything that was right before the ban. I went away for a few after the comment about not wanting to come off like a dick and my Joe Finley example. When I came back and tried to respond to their responses, I was banned.
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McIlrath is a fine pick… at 20. Even perhaps at 15 (we had him at 16). But 10th? With two more talented defensemen still on the board? It’s a reach.
The Rangers were in a place where they could take the “best player available,” given what they already have in their system on defense (Staal and Del Zotto on the roster, Sanguinetti and others coming up). If they thought McIlrath was the best player available…
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I think it was pretty clearly a “needs” draft and not a best player available draft. They looked at their young offensive D and figured they didn’t need another. They wanted that big mean crease clearer that everyone wants so they convinced themselves to overlook his skating, hockey sense, and puck skill deficiency. Reminds me a lot of us picking Finley.
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The big problem is that big defensemen take longer to develop than most. And it’s a painful development. Derian Hatcher, Brendan Witt, Hal Gill and even Zdeno Chara all had a very hard time breaking into the league.
Drafting a guy who might help you 4 years later “for need” is pretty dumb. Who can say what you’ll need then? It may make sense with a Nick Backstrom or Matt Duchene who is ready to help within a year or two, but not for a project like McIlrath
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that if you are drafting for need the guy better be able to come in and play within two years. McIlrath is not that kind of guy. I think putting McIlrath in the same breath as even Witt is premature, much less Chara and Hatcher. I’d also note that all of those guys were drafted and developed in the old era where size, strength, and toughness was more valuable. What is the most recent D that is in that class that you can remember? Luke Schenn and Dion Phaneuf maybe, but Phaneuf is an exceptional skater and Schenn isn’t exactly terrible.
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No, Phaneuf and Schenn are in another class. They’re solid defensemen who happen to be big.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. And even Schenn I think was overrated because of his physical reputation. But he’s not a bad skater and he has hockey sense. The three things that you hear about McIlrath are “tough,” “questionable decisionmaking,” “questionable skating.” I don’t know how you burn a 10 overall on that guy with the other quality on the board. Even if you don’t want a pure offensive D (if that is in fact what Fowler is) you can take the guy that was touted as being the best all-around of the 3 and go Gormley.
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Kiril Kabanov’s chances at becoming a solid NHL player just evaporated. Drafted by the NYI? No way he gets the structure or discipline he needs.
I know the current GM and coaches are not the same crew who screwed up Alex Yashin, but I don’t think they’ve improved all that much either.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
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