Capitals Select Evgeny Kuznetsov
by J.P. on Jun 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT
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With the 26th pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft,the Washington Capitals have selected Evgeny Kuznetsov, C, Chelyabinsk (KHL). From the team's release:
ARLINGTON, Va. – The Washington Capitals selected center Evgeny Kuznetsov in the first round of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, held Friday evening at Staples Center in Los Angeles.
Kuznetsov, a 6’0", 172-pound native of Chelyabinsk, Russia played last season with Chelyabinsk Traktor of the KHL. He tallied two goals and seven assists in 35 games last season while recording only 10 penalty minutes. Kuznetsoz represented Russia at the 2010 World Junior Championship and scored two goals in six games.
The 18-year-old pivot also played for Team Russia at the World Under-18 Championship in both 2009 and 2010. He captained Russia in 2010 and led his squad with five goals and seven assists in seven games. He also had a team-high 40 shots and a +8 rating as the Russians finished fourth. In 2009, Kuznetsov led Russia to a silver medal after scoring six goals and dishing out seven assists in seven games.
The Capitals enter Saturday’s proceedings – featuring rounds two through seven of the draft – with five selections: one each in the third, fourth and sixth rounds (Nos. 86, 116 and 176). The Caps also have picks No. 142 and No. 146 in the fifth round.
Some more info on the newest Cap:
- NHL.com profile page
- Capitals.com Roundup of Clips
- The Scouting Report
- RMNB
- Russian Hockey Fans
- Coming Down the Pipe
- Premium Scouting
- Russian Prospect
- The Cannon
- Sport-Express interview via Alex Ovetjkin
Kuzenetsov's first scrum:
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I’m stunned, stunned I tell you that the Caps took a Russian. That’s so unlike this team.
/snark
I really hope he pans out and is a stud 2C for us for a long time
by Beakers Lab on Jun 25, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think he is more a left winger….2nd line behind Ovie.
Could see a 2nd line of Kuz – Johansson and Fehr in a few years.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
ahh, he’s listed as Center which is why I said that. if he’s considered a top 10 talent except for the whole “I may not leave Russia” thing I consider this a steal. The Caps are probably the best team for a Russian who is hesitant about coming over.
by Beakers Lab on Jun 25, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He cannot leave Russia because he has 2 years left on his KHL contract. He has stated he cannot wait to play in the NHL…supposedly will finish the contract and then come.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 25, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Caps can’t negotiate around the KHL contract unilaterally. He seems to imply that he can get out of the deal after next season, but I’m skeptical.
I waited all year for this?
His KHL team may be willing to grab some cash to let him leave one year early. I doubt it tough. Let him play in Russia for 2-years. At 20 he can come over and crack the 2nd line.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
His KHL team can’t grab cash to let him go unless the NHL signs a transfer agreement (which doesn’t sound close). The Caps are not allowed to negotiate a cash transfer with the KHL or his team.
I waited all year for this?
Player Transfer? I know a bald swede needing a team next year.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Can they trade for him? I know there was talk this year about Nylander being traded to the KHL….could it not work the other way where cash is traded in return?
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a trade, it’s a loan. I don’t know what the KHL loan requirements are, but I assume they could loan him to the Caps if they wanted to. I just don’t know why they would want to. An interesting question is whether the Caps can negotiate a transfer in the guise of a loan. For Nylander, they could allow the other team to take Nyls on loan and then the other team would have to negotiate to compensate the Caps to some degree. I know it’s absolutely forbidden for NHL teams to unilaterally negotiate “transfer agreements,” but I don’t know if the Caps could pay Traktor as part of a “loan” agreement. I suspect that the NHL office would not be a big fan of such shenanigans, even if there was technically a loophole.
I waited all year for this?
I am extremely happy with this pick. Coming into this draft my top 3 (based on who I thought may be there) were McFarland, Kuznetsov and Kabanov (though I think we can get him later). Then with Elim falling I would have been happy that way. I love taking offensive talent…love it.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 25, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
Ha. Man, we could not be more opposite. The two guys I wanted no part of were McFarland and Kabanov. Talk about different wavelengths.
I waited all year for this?
i wouldn’t mind using a 3rd or 4th on Kabanov if we have picks to spare, but not a first rounder for sure. I like our pick, although Etem might also have been nice.
I don’t know if he’ll drop that far. He might go high third, but I don’t see him going 4th with the skill set he has. I’d still be surprised if he made it out of the second round.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know he won’t. But I wouldn’t use a pick on him any higher than that. I think he goes in the second to a team with just a stockpile of picks (I’m looking at you FLA.)
BOS and FLA have lots of picks and at some point they’ll take a flyer on him. I could also see PHX going for him just because they love to take the most NHL-ready player they can and they can afford to burn a pick on him.
I waited all year for this?
I think it is even more unlikely we take Kabanov (even if he gets to us in the third) after taking Kuznetsov
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know how you can really draw a conclusion. I didn’t think we’d take a Russian at all but clearly GMGM isn’t afraid to take one so if Kabanov is the best guy available I bet he takes him. I just hope he waits until the third.
I waited all year for this?
If he truly goes PBA like you are suggesting then I love it. I just think that he will balance the risk as the draft goes on. GMGM seems to have a one russian player per draft quota. Probably not true, but I do doubt they take another one. If Kabanov was there in the third…I would love him. Just love him.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve read way too much about him being a headcase to be high on him, but third round, I’d think about it.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Third I’d do in a second. You aren’t going to get a better option there. Even discounted for the headcase factor, he’s still more likely to contribute at the NHL level; and he’d be a better contributor than any other 3rd.
I waited all year for this?
That’s completely fair.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if GMGM targets Russians, or whether he just won’t avoid them. Since the lockout (and termination of the transfer deal) pretty much every Russian he’s taken has fallen below where they were projected. At some point you can’t let group think force you to pass a guy that is better than the rest of the options.
I waited all year for this?
by Rob Parker on Jun 26, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, and I love the fact that the Caps do not have a “no russian” policy like other teams in the league do. It only benefits us.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Having a “no-something” policy is usually a mistake.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt the Caps take Kabanov. Ted Leonsis is high on “character guys” – one of his big hard and fast rules is “no assholes in the dressing room”. I simply cannot see the Caps putting up with a guy who needs a full-time sports psychologist and is famous for it.
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I think if he falls enough they’d be silly not to take him. He’s one of the most skilled guys in the draft, and that’s one thing you can’t teach which he already has. Headcase or not, he could grow out of it enough to contribute, which is all you ask out of a mid round pick, right?
Round 2 though is still probably early enough that you pass.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know why you’re so high on offensive talent when that’s not the issue this team has facing it.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Then again, it’s the first round pick and you can’t think too much about where the team is now. Take the best player available and hope he contributes. If (hope!) Flash and Semin are gone in two years maybe we are welcoming his offense with open arms.
I waited all year for this?
I can buy that, but I see a d-spot being open on this team in two years more than I see a forward spot being open.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh. “Seeing” spots open isn’t really a fruitful exercise. If he’s a player, he’s a player. If MP and Mackan and Kuznetsov all pan out, then you trade one. You don’t hide from a guy because two years out you might not need him. If we lock up Schultz/Green/Carlznerson then all we are going to want is F help. I’m much more concerned about his inconsistency than his position.
I waited all year for this?
by Rob Parker on Jun 26, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m not saying hide from a guy – I’m saying only looking for top tier offensive talent potential is wrong if you have top tier defensive talent available. Not necessarily the situation, but the strategy.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily the situation, but the strategy.
I was more addressing his “I love drafting offense” and his telling me he hates drafting defensive defensemen in early rounds in an earlier thread.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah. I guess I glossed over that or I’d be full on with you. Jim Rutherford hates drafting D in the first round also, and CAR is in a tough spot with their D. They also just took a guy with skating issues instead of Cam Fowler. Fuck CAR.
I waited all year for this?
D are generally the safer bet (in terms of having a long NHL career) than forwards, but that doesn’t say whether the guys end up top pairing or 5/6/7 D. D seems to be good with NSH though, and cheap. They’d be scary if their owner removed their self imposed cap.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I am not thinking of the team now. I love offensive players. I would love to have 4 lines of offensive players…just what I like. I like watching that style of game. I never want to see the Caps draft the likes of Boyd Gordon again as he never had the chance of being top two line guy. In the early rounds I like taking shots at guys that have the potential of making the top 6/top 4/etc. That is just me. I also like taking the Russians because of bang for the buck. If they are 1st round potential and they fall because of uncertainty then I say take the value.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me rephrase the Boyd Gordan comment. I like Boyd, just in the 4-6 rounds.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, when they drafted Gordo he was a pretty decent offensive player at all levels – they probably thought of him as being a potential top 6 forward. There’s just really no way to tell how a player will adjust to the NHL, picking these guys at 18 is such a crapshoot.
This is pretty true, also consider Donald Brashear scored 66 points in the AHL in 62 games back in 93-94.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
All I remember from the TSN feed when Gordon was drafted was he was a very safe pick that could work his way to a ceiling of a third line player. I hated the pick. Then again, I loved the Volchov pick so what the hell do I know.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
TSN seems to have different opinions of what ceilings are. They were saying one of the picks this year was going to have to make it as a grinding 3rd line forward, but sometimes that’s what teams need, and they draft for needs.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not thinking about the team now either – looking at the pipe line, on offense we potentially have Mackan, Angus (longshot), MP, CBo(longshot), A. Gordon, Pinner (longshot), Kugryshev, among others. On D we have Carlson (already here), Alzner (here), and…Eakin/Orlov?? I just don’t see it.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure where you are going. Only MP and Mackan are possibly placing him out of the F corps, and the D corps is largely irrelevant. Eakin is a F too, BTW. Angus blows, CBo isn’t in that class, A-Gord is a checker, Pinner is a longshot checker, and Kuger is not in the same class.
I waited all year for this?
I’m not saying I don’t like the team, I’m saying looking at everything we have, I see more of a lull in defensive prospects – if there was a d-man prospect GMGM liked as much as Kuznetsov, I’d have preferred the d-man. That’s about all I mean.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess. You just don’t know what the draft chart looks like. And, as I said, if we lock up Green/Schultz/Carlznerson then all we need is to fill the bottom pair, and you don’t look to fill a bottom pair in the first round, unless you are NYR.
I waited all year for this?
Truth here.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not sure this is a strong defenseman draft. I think only 5 or 6 went in the first round. GMGM did say he thought the talent dropped of quite a bit from about 21 to 50. I expect that Kuz was in his top 20 list…so he is happy. I am as well.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say this was a defenseman heavy draft – I said to exclusively focus on offensive talent when there’s also defensive talent on the board would be a mistake. I’m not criticizing GMGM either.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, there were 7 but it’s about quality, not quantity. We’ll see what happens tomorrow and how many of these guys even pan out.
I waited all year for this?
To further my point – if Fowler was still available and we took Kuznetzov instead, I’d have probably been furious.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, of course. But if a top 5 talent falls to 26 then the league is insane. As is, there are several GMs that need their head examined and I suspect several people will regret their choices. Fucking suck it TBL and CAR.
I waited all year for this?
I like the way you call teams out.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
As would I. I like those offensive defenseman as well.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
But an NHL Ready defensive defenseman wouldn’t appeal to you at all?
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Got it.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is — finding an NHL ready defensive defenseman who’s NHL ready at the age of 18.
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Or even an offensive one. It’s a terrible strategy and it’s why CAR is struggling to put together a competent D corps.
I waited all year for this?
You could also argue (and this totally contradicts every statement I have made) that it is because Carolina never seems to take defenseman in the first round.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh? That’s my point. CAR doesn’t take D in the first round because Jim Rutherford doesn’t think it’s a smart use of assets; the exact same thing you’re saying. The last time he drafted a D in the first was Jack Johnson, and he got impatient and traded him. And yes, that’s a big part of the reason CAR has to cobble together a D corps right now.
I waited all year for this?
Exactly, the only top 6 forward prospects we have are Johansson and maybe Perrault. Kuger and Eakin may be able to get there one day, but I doubt it. Those guys are all centers, except Kuger. Kuz plays LW/C. On D we have more to 4 depth in Carlson/Alzner and Orlov. All those other guys are 3rd and 4th liners.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, again you are being fast, loose, and extremely selective with your characterizations. Eakin is at least as capable to move to W as Kuznetsov, and I’d bet more so. You easily dismiss the Fs, but have already penciled Orlov as a quality D.
I waited all year for this?
I just do not think Orlov will make the team if he is not a top 4 defensman. I do not rate him at that level yet. Those other forwards I do not believe were drafted with the expectation that they are likely of being a top 6 forward, with the exception of Johansson and probably Kuger. MP grew into that potential expectation. Actually, Bouchard was probably drafted as a top 6 but has fallen. Kuz has been drafted with that expectation (I believe).
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is why your entire approach and perspective is flawed. You don’t draft a prospect to be something specific. You draft the player that you think will be the best. Sure, sometimes at the top of the draft you have more freedom to draft for need, but you don’t say “this guy is going to play this role in this season.”
I waited all year for this?
That is what I agree with. I do not believe NHL GMs draft that way though, including GMGM. They cannot always take the BPA. They have to consider if they will have space on the 50 in time, they have to consider whether they need certain role players. I believe sometimes they target NCAA and International players because they get more time to see them before signing and filling a 50 spot. When they take a riskier pick (high ceiling pick) they can balance it. Sometimes they take that Della Rovere or Mitchell because of a role…not being the best.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish they would go all ceiling all the time…but I would be wrong if they did because there is not one team that does that and they know more then we do.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
GMGM has said before he goes BPA, right? If it’s close between two they can go right ahead for need, but I think it’s insane to let good players fall because they’re not what you want.
Skill is something you can’t teach. Playing defense, etc, you can teach. It gets gray when you have one-way offensive talents versus two-way players, but great defensive players can be made, and plus they’re generally veterans, not young players. I mean, Legwand, Koivu, Madden, etc; only young guy that comes to mind is Richards, and he has plenty of offensive upside.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This wasn’t the argument you brought before, or I’d have been with you.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I probably could have made my argument much much clearer. There was only one defenseman I liked in the top 30 rated prospects that I would have spent a first on and that is Fowler. All the other guys I liked are forwards.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Aaaaaaaaaaaand that’s all I need to hear. Glad Ted won’t give you the keys to the team.
I waited all year for this?
None of us will. We are all just guys who read what others write and maybe watch a little video and see a couple games with these guys in them. GMGM is going a great job…as long as he stays away from those NCAA players that he takes mid draft :-).
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard David Steckel was an NCAA player.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Dryden retired early to be a lawyer. NCAA players don’t have the staying value that juniors guys do.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
And he was a 1st rounder not drafted by Washington. I said mid draft NCAA players. It was more of a joke based on a thread Fehr and Balanced and I had before.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, but if we agreed then this board would be kind of boring. In the end we can have a little fun debating and one day have a blast celebrating a Stanley Cup!
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. Or any defensemen. Or anyone that isn’t sufficiently offensively spectacular. There’s one way to win a team.
#needsmoreflash
I waited all year for this?
Flash was great for his contract. He won’t be even be mediocre for his next one.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My point was more that he embodies everything that is wrong with CFS1979’s position. Sure, he’s got skill and offense, but he doesn’t bring a lot of other qualities that you need to win, even if they aren’t so sexy. If you never drafted a defensive player in the first round, your team would be brutal.
I waited all year for this?
Truth.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It does not mean I do not want defensive players…but you can develop defense much easier and you can acquire it much easier and for much cheaper. For example, if both Kaberle and Willie Mitchell were FAs. We probably all would want Willie Mitchell on talent and what he would bring to the Caps and he probably would cost half the price. Draft offense early, Draft defense and roles later, Sign/Trade for defense are my general rules.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree entirely on this entire post. I’d say it’s much harder than offense. When you carry twice as many forwards as d-men on a team, it’s more critical that at least 66% of your defensemen be solid as hell, and they’ll have to be a higher priority in certain situations. Developing defensmen DOES usually take longer, and it’s not as pretty in terms of being able to show your fan base you did something. Draft the best player early, potential needs late, and sign/trade for any immediate holes.
Think about Jeff Schultz – a first round draft pick. Nothing about him is flashy, and he’s just now coming into his prime, whereas Mike Green was making far more noise earlier in his career. I’d say Schultz was a better draft pick, looking back at it. I love having Green, but long term I think Schultz is going to bring more towards making us a winning franchise.
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This will be an argument that will be really hard to make. First, I will let you know that I coach kids at the highest level of hockey in Toronto (the GTHL) where a ton of these kids come from. That does not mean I know much…but I do know, that like most things, skill is taught (probably 70% of it) from the age of 6-13. From 13-18 you can fine tune the skill for that next 20-25% but alot of your time is spent on systems, positional play, strength and conditioning, etc. When these guys get to 18+ it is almost all focused on conditioning, eating habits, the knowledge of the game, how to really play the position. If you use Jeff Schultz as an example with my previou argument. I agree a defenseman takes longer then a forward to develop because so much of there position is based more on the positional play and thought process of the game where a forward is mostly based on skill (and heart). There are tons of other needs but I am simplifying. But not many of these players are really going to enhance the skill more…they can fine tune it but they will spend most of the time working on the other aspects of the game.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying that it’s easier to develop a d-man than a forward from 6-18 or once they get into the NHL?
My thoughts are that in the NHL, a scorers job doesn’t change in any complexity – he just has to score. Systems change completely for an NHL d-man once he leaves whatever junior system he was in where he had to defend against guys his age and his size – he’s going up against smarter, bigger, and far more seasoned forwards, and while the young forwards are too, they’re also not really changing their games – what worked before will either work, or it won’t. You’ll always have to adapt, regardless of position.
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No I am not saying that. I am saying that as a player gets older there is less time spent on skill and more time spent on all the other aspects of the game. They still spend time on skill, but when they are kids that is all they spend time on. My son is 10 and is a high level defensman in the GTHL. He practices about 15 hours a week in the summer and probably double that in the winter. 90% of his development is skill based and 10% is positioning/system based. As he gets older this will gradually flip and this flip will happen even faster because he is a defenseman and most coaches do not see skill as important for defenseman as other things are. This flip will be slow until he is about 13-14.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see then how this compares at all to defensemen being easier to develop at an NHL level, then, though I certainly wish the best for your son.
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He actually watched the draft with me today and said he would love to be drafted. If he is one day (which I highly doubt will happen) it will be as a stay at home defenseman. He is a fantastic skater and quite strong. His problem is he is not a strong stickhandler…which is why he is on defense. That, and the fact he is a very advanced backwards skater for his age.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it would be a mistake for a team to take him in the first…unless he develops that stickhandling game. He does have a decent shot.
In the end, I will just be happy that he has fun and learns how to commit to getting better, driving himself as an individual within a team. Great life lessons.
He is way better then I ever was at his age (even when I was 5 years older then him) and it is so much fun to watch.
One of his trainers the last few weeks is in this weekends draft but unfortunately he did not get taken tonight. Maybe tomorrow.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well part of that is because as he progresses the skill difference decreases. As you play with more skilled guys you have to work on systems to differentiate your players and your team. There’s also a natural diminishing returns effect so saying that your skills increase faster at 13 than 30 isn’t exactly a shock. I’m still not really sure what your point is. How does the skill curve change the drafting approach?
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but you can develop defense much easier and you can acquire it much easier and for much cheaper.
False. Your example really isn’t better. Dan Hamhuis is going to get 4+ and Brian Campbell got paid 7+. Volchenkov is probably going to get 5. There are examples all over the place. We are paying Mike Green, the NHL leading D scorer for two straight years, just 5 and a quarter. Carlson and Alzner are each under 2 mill. Schultz might come in under 2 mill. It is always cheaper to get a player through your own system than to go via FA.
I waited all year for this?
Agree. Dmen, especially good, young dmen are almost always overpaid on the FA market because they’re rare. Supply and demand. There are way more star offensive players that can be had on the market than star defense. Always cheaper to draft than to count on FA.
Draft your core, complement with the market.
by Vinn on Jun 26, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Draft you core..”, this I agree with.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
You can always find exceptions…but what is more likely, that Schultz gets $5M or that Carlson gets $5M. What is more likely, that you develop a mid round offensive defenseman or a mid round defensive defenseman.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Schultz’s price relative to Carlson is irrelevant. Schultz and Carlson would both be more expensive to acquire on the FA market than they have been since we drafted them.
What is more likely, that you develop a mid round offensive defenseman or a mid round defensive defenseman.
I don’t think either is more or less likely. If you’re suggesting that it’s less likely to develop a defensive Dman from the mid first round I think you have absolutely no basis for making that conclusion.
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You can teach defense, but not skill, right? (I think we all agree on that for the most part). Hence the wiser choice is to take the offensive guy, right? Let him grow into his defensive role. The defensive guy will have his own growing pains as well.
At least you can play defense with offense. The other way around doesn’t work. If you draft a defensive guy you want offensive upside. McIlrath looks like a bad pick, but at least he has a hard slapshot from the point like Weber or Chara.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
As I said above, defense and skill are not mutually exclusive. Schultz and Alzner are both skilled, but in a defensive way. They are very good at keeping the puck out of their own net. It’s not the flashy puck skill you generally think about, but to say “you can just teach defense” is patently false. If that were the case, you wouldn’t see any team in the league with defensive problems (except those with bad coaches).
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I’ll tag in with what F&B is saying. There’s no way you can say defense is teachable and not a skill. Yes, much of defense is a mindset (knowing when to react and how), but the fundamentals of it are skill and knowledge based, and sometimes you can’t teach that stuff. If it was so easy to teach defense, Mike Green would have a Norris right now.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
And Green isn’t even a good example of a guy that can’t be taught D. Let’s go back to McIlrath or even Joe Finley. If you can’t pivot and skate backwards, which were/are questions for both guys as of draft day, then you are not going to be able to defend NHL players. Skating is most definitely a skill, as is hockey sense, as is being able to make a good first pass, as is a lot of the more subtle stuff defenders do to keep the puck out of the net.
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And if you always draft defensive players and could spend to the cap, you’d win Cups, I bet.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
GMGM could have done it.
"It is hard to get great talent where we’re picking, and I think we’re doing a great job of it. Whether it was Marcus Johansson last year or John Carlson the year before or this kid, they are just exceptional talents. I believe when you are picking in the first round you swing for the fences and get the best talents that are there. You can get fifth and sixth defensemen and third- and fourth-line wingers later in the draft. When you’re picking here, you have to try and get difference makers."
And I agree with him 100% with what he’s saying here, but it’s not just offense.
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Looks like he accidentally forgot to mention recent first rounder Anton Gustafsson…
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, that would be swinging for the fences and getting a fly out instead of a home run.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Awww, cute. You think he actually made contact with that one. More like struck out swinging at a ball in the dirt.
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by Rob Parker on Jun 26, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Profile
Hey guys, here is Kuznetsov’s profile and some interesting quotes:
http://www.russianprospect.com/evgeny-kuznetsov
I’m going to play in Traktor for two more years. I will go overseas only if Traktor allows me to. I don’t want to argue with my native team.
If Traktor isn’t against it, I’ll skate in the rookie camp of the team that will draft me. I really want to see how they train and prepare for the new season. And then I’ll be back to Traktor.
Evgeny Kuznentsov on May 19, 2010
by Alexander Zaitsev on Jun 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
‘skill set comparison: alex semin’
ummm, ok?
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so 40 goal season then disappear come playoff time?
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by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well TSN also said he can dominate some games and disappear from others…
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Oh no!
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by twistedlogic on Jun 26, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the pick...
…hopefully he will follow the trend of another Russian first rounder…
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Think its too far to reach when there is a high likelihood he’ll never play away from the KHL
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by can't skate on Jun 25, 2010 10:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t think so. WSH is a pretty good place to be for Russians, and he’s said that he wants to play here, just wants to finish out the contract. The seasoning in KHL will be good for him to boot.
I’m not sure how much the KHL will help him. It’s not a developmental league and it’s very difficult for young players to get TOI a lot of the time. Maybe he’s good enough to play his way into the lineup, but almost any other league in the world would give him more opportunity to play and work on his game. He is playing against adults, and cracking the KHL before being drafted is impressive, but I don’t think it’s ideal as far as seasoning or development.
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You are just too low on KHL. There is a lot of skill and talent, not to mention about veteran star players. It is the second best league in the world and itis quite an achievement for an 18 year old to play there. I dont have any concerns for any prospect to play there as long as he doesnt stop to progress.
His entire argument wasn’t that the league wasn’t a good league, just that it’s a bad developmental league.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I don’t know where aleand is from but I’d bet they are European. I don’t have a problem, I’m just guessing because I’m use to Europeans giving me a lashing for my position on the KHL.
Regardless of how good a league it is, which is debatable, my main problem is that they don’t give young players ice time. Guys like Orlov and Kuznetsov get signed to KHL deals to keep them in Russia, but then they get buried on the depth chart behind more veteran players. Going to a lesser skilled league but playing important minutes would be much, much better for their development. That’s the reason NHL teams don’t keep prospects on the NHL roster just to play ten minutes a night. And I’ll just reiterate that Slava Bykov was supposedly one of the best coaches the KHL had to offer. Is that kind of coaching (which openly eschews the NHL/North American style) going to help a prospect get ready for the NHL?
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I understand, but when the kid plays, where is the problem?
What is average TOI for a prospect that had made the team directly after the draft in the NHL? On a good Team its not very high i suppose. It is not the problem for the KHL only. Thats why they made MHL in Russia.
But this is exactly the problem we’re raising. The issue is that we don’t like 18 year old whose rights are owned by the Caps playing in the KHL or the NHL. It’s not good for their development to get that limited playing time. Better to have them in a league that is designed for their needs.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s why what they’ve done with Alzner is exactly right. Better 30 minutes a night in all situations than 12 at ES on the team’s third pairing. I worry that Kuznetsov won’t get the special teams experience he needs because his team can’t afford to put him there.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Until you can take a regular shift, and if you are a top-6 guy earn some PP time as well, it’s not worth keeping a guy in the NHL or KHL for a full season. Playing hockey is much more important for players at that age than simply being named to a higher level team is.
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And this is why Radulov and Filitov are such headaches. Those guys desperately need to play in the AHL or juniors for the good of their development. It’s why I worry about Orlov and I’m glad Kugryshev is taking the path he’s taking.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And the MHL is fine, but I’d rather have him in the AHL or juniors. Better, deeper competition as well as better training.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 27, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Point taken! But you cant lump everyone together. For most of the kids it is a better way to develope, but would you send Ovie, Kane, Toews etc. to the minors if they are ready to play for you NOW?
If you aren’t playing on the PP or top 6 then you aren’t ready to play NOW. The guy isn’t a third line checker, he’s a skill player. Sitting on the bench for the majority of the game while older players take the quality ice isn’t going to help. AO and Kane stepped into the NHL and were immediately playing ~20 minutes a night or more. If Kuznetsov was playing ~20 a night it would be a different discussion.
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If he was that good and that ready to play, I’d be angry that he wasn’t here! The Caps could use a second line center…
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 27, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
You really think he would pass up the opportunity to play with the best player in the world that is RUSSIAN and on one of the top teams in the league just so he can play in the KHL?
Yeah, I think not. That’s why the Capitals can draft all these Russians: Ovechkin.
Gives them a clear advantage over the other teams as far as Russian draftees go.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 25, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a great point. I really think that Ovechkin gives us the chance to take good players that other teams have to pass on just because they are Russian.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 25, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Ovie, I wonder if he’s contacted the noobie yet.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Probably he’ll show up at camp to invite him home for pelmeni.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 25, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If the dacha has a sauna and steam room, vodka and zakuski, I’m there now.
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I thought he was at development camp last year. Didn’t the Russian kids follow him like puppies?
"It's always good to have vikings."
That was in 2008 when the kids followed Ovi like puppies. Varly had gotten Ovi’s cell phone number that summer. And in Dec, got the call from Ovi that he would get called up to Wash due to injuries to Theo and Johnson. (The call came deep in the heart of Texas when Hershey was on a road trip there.)
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Also Varly said that Ovie’s friends helped him buy his Lexus, so he could get back and forth between Washington and Hershey. Also that Ovie’s mom feed him dinner a lot.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jun 26, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
While Neuvy had borrowed a car from Flash’s GF last year for that purpose.
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I think I recall reading somewhere that Neuvy didn’t have a SSN for awhile (or whatever it is they give foreigners-taxpayer id?). Anyway he couldn’t even get a cell phone contract until the Caps helped him get that cleared up. Might of made it difficult to buy a car, too.
Or it could just be the difference in what Ovie can do for his friends vs what Flash can do:)
Play with Ovechkin, or play at home for a lot more money. Damn. Tough choice.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not buying that as a clincher.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Give him Mama’s borscht and he’ll grow.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that you put Svetlana Kuznetsova’s name in there. Possibly a relation?
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Kuznetsova is the feminine form of Kuznetsov.
Probably not related to Svetlana Kuznetsova, given that the name Kuznetsov is the Russian equivalent of Smith (or rather, Blacksmith.)
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Awesome.
It’s so interesting to learn the meanings behind names.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Smith, Kovalchuk is another variant of Smith. Essentially, it’s the Ukrainian form of Smithson. The equivalent in Polish is Kowalczyk.
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So he could be related to Jerred of the Predators! Distantly!
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Updated the post with a pic and a few links.
And read my tweets for what GMGM had to say.
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Great job on the Twitter updates, JP – really appreciate it.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 25, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Sunday's Washington Post
John Wall’sEvgeny Kuznetsov’s welcome to the District was like a homecoming for a triumphant hero. The WashingtonWizardsCapitals asked the 19-year-old toresuscitatejoin theirmoribundtop-scoring franchise by drafting him first overall onThursdayFriday night. And when he arrived at Dulles International Airport,WallKuznetsov was greeted with a Ford Excursion limousine and a police escort, which guided him directly to Verizon Center, where a black banner read: “WALLKUZNETSOV: Game Changer.”
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Forgot to cross off 1st and put 26 overall
by washfan29 on Jun 25, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And I think he’s still 18-years old as well.
I tried.
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Haha nah good job doing that and all more comments ;-)
by washfan29 on Jun 25, 2010 11:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Embarrassing, isn’t it?
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DP — it’s the best news source out there. I follow at least ten people who were in LA tweeting by the second with last minute updates about minutia.
I knew GMGM winked at the camera for several folks the instant it happened.
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cmasisak22 #Caps scouting director Ross Mahoney says Kuznetsov is more of a passer/playmaker than Semin was at that age.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 25, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
He looks exactly like Malkin to me on ice.
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Smooth skater, lanky. His reach looks ridiculously long.
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’ll be nice. I haven’t watched these Kuznetsov videos yet, but he sounds promising.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And wow…is he a diver too? No, I don’t mean soccer player diver.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 25, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Def. not, but he’s got similar stride and smoothness.
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 26, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what concerns me, going back to the post earlier today. We don’t have any big, physical forwards in the system. I would have thought GMGM would go the Brock Nelson route, but I guess seeing Kuznetsov still on the board while having him ranked 12th on his own board really enticed him into taking the guy.
I mean, Kuznetsov could have gone higher and all according to some mock drafts, and while I’m happy that GMGM was thrilled to have gotten him, it concerns me that we don’t have any “meat and potatoes” players like Knuble in the system particularly.
Maybe that can be addressed later on in the draft. At least, I’m hoping so.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
As has been the case over the last few years, GMGM seems to have gone with the best player available rather than a player to fill a specific need. We’re in good enough shape now that if he wants that big, physical forward he can package some prospects/picks to go get him – the theory being that you build up a roster of highly talented guys, then fill holes where you can when you can.
I understand that. Yet, seeing the Byfuglien trade lately, I just hope it’s not along the lines of any of those trades.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And I can’t argue. You don’t think PIT would like an explosive game breaking talent on an ELC? Even if we only get him for 3 years and then can’t afford him, he has the potential to give us a ton of contribution.
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Agree. Talent is much harder (and more expensive) to come by when you’re working the trade route – better to get those players cheap via the draft, develop them yourself in your organization, and fill the holes via trade.
There are more Matt Bradleys and Jason Chimeras floating around the NHL than Nicklas Backstroms, that’s for sure.
No doubt I love Gordo II for his heart and grit, but the guy’s 5’11’’.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
he also had
cmasisak22 Kuznetsov plays for the same KHL team/hockey school as Alexander Semin once did. Slava Malamud says the two are close.
My only fear is that he’ll be as inconsistent and as much of an enigma as Sasha.
And that he’ll show up at weddings wearing jeans and a t-shirt.
I’m very scared.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Ovi and Semin are close also, and they don’t play the same way.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 25, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The quote about his English is already more than Semin ever really gave us.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 25, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob McKenzie: Evgeny Kuznetsov is the stereotypical highly-skilled Russian forward who can be the dominant force in one game and then invisible the next.
I waited all year for this?
Hopefully.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He also referred to Americans as “paranoid” earlier…Bob McKenzie: the next Don Cherry.
(Kidding, of course, I love Bobby Mac. Usually.)
I see Bob McKenzie as pretty much the most neutral guy out there. He’s easily my number one guy I’d listen to in rumor mills.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
What was the context? I’m with WM; I pretty much implicitly trust Bobby McK.
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TSNBobMcKenzie
@cmasisak22 Or maybe it had something to do with Top 10 picks. You Americans are so paranoid. :-) about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter in reply to cmasisak22
He’s one of the few twitter guys I follow. I lolled.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
But also right. I’m firmly convinced that if Fowler was Canadian he doesn’t slide to 12.
I waited all year for this?
Fowler has dual citizenship, according to Corey, who refuses to count him in the Americans drafted.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I would too.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh. A little too sensitive, IMO. He’s clearly admitting that it’s the stereotype, but sometimes that is the best way to describe a guy. If Peter Holland was Russian, they would have said something similar; but just because he’s Canadian didn’t let him off the hook. The critique is the same, it’s just the particular form of expression you find objectionable.
I waited all year for this?
Russians aren’t the only players who are inconsistent. They just get credit for it.
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I think we’re at semantics. Maybe Russians get the credit as a group, but anyone can get called out for it no matter where they are from.
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Italians aren’t the only players who dive. They just get credit for it.
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They get credit, and Academy Award Nominations for such great acting.
That Torres dive today sickened me as well. I can’t respect players who throw themselves on the ground just for calls. Play the game right.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d take inconsistency/enigma along with 75% of Semin’s upside easily.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
TarikElBashir More GMGM: “When we got to our pick, it was unanimous. We think he can play center ice. We think he’s a very very dynamic player.”
bq, TarikElBashir GMGM on Kuznetsov: “If it’s about drafting talent and ability, we drafted a heck of a talent. He’s a very, very impressive player.”
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
Ah
block quote fail.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice ovie-esque body slam into the glass after his first KHL goal (RMNB embedded video).
As an aside, the snippet of KHL play was unimpressive—looked more like college hockey, or the NHL 30 years ago.
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That’s why CBo will fit right in.
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You…you MONSTER!
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by Steck It Out on Jun 25, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Kuznetsov interview on the Caps website.
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I guess I should just let the experts do the work :P
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by Steck It Out on Jun 25, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Just getting ready to post that. You have to think that this kid is ecstatic to play for the same team as Ovechkin.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 25, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a definite – he said he was surprised to be taken by the Capitals, but he’s happy. I wouldn’t assume he was super happy to play with Ovechkin, but I’m sure he’s not sad.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 25, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was because he expected to go earlier. He seemed pretty happy in the interview.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 25, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Ovi was lurking in the open thread.
by EmilyB on Jun 25, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just watched the clip of him with the kids in Ontario on Thursday. He flew straight home after that? And called at 7:30am Moscow time? Wonder if he’s slept at all in the past three days.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 26, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Nicknames, guys! We need nicknames!
I vote Kami-Kuze or just Kuz.
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I was hoping GMGM would move up for Tinordi, but I guess that’s tough without a 2nd rounder. I trust GMGM’s take on this kid and can’t wait to see what he can do. My immediate thought was long-term Semin replacement, but I’m excited about the Malkin comparisons and GMGM’s comments about him playing center.
I think I’m in the same boat as this.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Hooks Orpik isn’t a huge fan of the Pens’ pick and really likes our pick. That’s gotta be good, right?
Can’t say I’m completely excited about this. I harp on consistency pretty regularly, and while you never know what is going on with a 17-18 year old, I hate that his knock is that he can dominate or disappear. The Semin Lobby should be pumped, because this guy could very well be Semin 2.0. I’m glad he’s a C, but the KHL contract situation isn’t ideal and he really needs to improve his consistency. It could have been a lot worse, but it could have been better.
Hell yeah, USA. Way to set the record, even if it had to be with the Brockness Monster going to another team.
Please dear God let GMGM trade Flash for an early 2 tomorrow and pick up another quality prospect early.
I waited all year for this?
I didn’t want to touch Kuznetsov bc I read up on him and I just totally thought of Sasha. The contract situation I’m all right about. He’s not close to stepping into the NHL, and the 2 years in KHL will be good for him, or in NA hockey or wherever he finds himself. If he can do it, I don’t think there’ll be issues of him not coming because he doesn’t want to.
We’ll see how it all plays out, but I don’t think he’s all that far from the NHL in terms of skill. I’ll say I think his talent will let him play in the NHL before his contract will.
I waited all year for this?
I hate that critique. It’s not personal, it’s a general comment. We are talking about 17-18 year olds. How many of them don’t need to fill out? It’s just a silly critique. It’s like saying they don’t have a good enough beard or enough chest hair.
I waited all year for this?
Flash needs to fill out his frame.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
In another jersey.
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by Rob Parker on Jun 26, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe I’m not wording it right, but IIRC he didn’t do too well at the combine, and from what I’ve seen is not too strong on the puck. Against bigger guys in the NHL I’m not sure he can hold his own, that’s all.
Two years in the KHL will fix that right up!
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure he probably can’t right now. I’m just saying that’s normal. There are maybe 10 guys, and that’s very generous, that could handle themselves physically with NHL players. Maybe there are 5 more, again generous, that could skate well enough to obviate the physical confrontation. But the rest of the guys need more time to grow, develop, and work on their game. It’s not a weakness, it’s reality.
I waited all year for this?
and i agreed with you that his talent will let him play in the NHL before his contract will. I was merely saying that I think the two years that he’s tied up wherever will probably be good for his development. It’s not like we absolutely need him on the Caps. Pretty sure I never said his physical stature was a weakness that was unique to him, just something he should work on before he’ll be able to really play in the NHL.
Gotcha. I just don’t like the KHL as a development option. I’d prefer almost anywhere else. The KHL clubs do not generally give a lot of ice to the young kids and that slows their development. The coaching also leaves me wanting, if the Olympics are an example.
I waited all year for this?
Oh yeah, I’m not sold on the KHL. He’s not on a particularly strong club, if I’ve got my KHL teams right, so I think he’ll get his minutes. It’s a league I think is on par with the AHL though, and at least he’s playing against men. Ah well. We’ll see what happens. His biggest knocks seem to be consistency, attitude and undisciplined penalties, so here’s hoping for a really great coach in Russia. Or a really kickass mentor, ala Feds for Sasha.
Feds for Sasha doesn’t seem like it’s been working long term, but a good comparison short term.
But really, if he’s good enough to demand the ice time, he’ll get it. I guess that’s a good lesson to learn now, before he gets to Bruce Boudreau and loses it to some Czech firecrotch for reasons unknown.
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Interesting breakdown from thescoutingreport.org (which I’ve never visited before so I have no idea what level of credibility they have – grain of salt and all that):
Many have been quick to compare him to Alex Semin, as he’s a quick skater with a plethora of offensive tools that could allow him to be a big-time scorer in the NHL one day. He’s an elusive player with very good hands and a good shot, but also has tremendous hockey sense. He’s a threat anytime he has the puck, and is definitely a player that has the creative ability to manufacture offense.
His strength will be a concern for now, as he does need to bulk up. There have also been rumblings that his attitude could use some improvement, but it should be noted that he is a loyal player in that he has elected to re-sign with his hometown KHL club, despite some other potentially more lucrative offers available. His positioning and overall play will need work, but playing in the KHL should afford him that opportunity to become more of a complete player.
Nickname found!
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The Indian Carrier! Ted ought to buy it.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Admiral Gorshkov has not been operational since 1988 but, in January 2004, India signed an agreement to buy the vessel which is to be extensively refurbished with new propulsion systems, weapons and modernisation of the deck for the new aircraft.
The vessel is being sold for the price of the refit along with the purchase of 16 MiG-29K fighters and eight Ka-27 and Ka-31 naval helicopters for the carrier group. The vessel was formally handed over in March 2004. Gorshkov has been renamed INS Vikramaditya. The refit is scheduled to be completed in 2010 followe by sea trials and handover to the Indian Navy in 2012. It is expected to enter service with India in 2013.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
We can certainly come up with a name based on Aircraft carrier. Only the real Naval buffs would think of the sale to the Indians.
Rocking the Red since 1975
If I remember, 2004 was a pretty lean year for the Russians, who started fireselling a ton of military technology as the money was scarce in the country.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
2 Signs he's going to be great
Look at his name
1. The word NET is in the middle of it. We need more people who like being around the net, so we got someone with NET in their NAME. Way to go GMGM!
2. The last two letters, O V.
(If this doesn’t sound sarcastic it’s supposed to, I actually really really like this pick)
Poor Ranger fans at BB. They thought they were going to get Fowler. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the word WTF used so many times in one thread and this comment is just really funny.
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by Caerid112 on Jun 25, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
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You’re looking at this the wrong way. All this means is that OFB was vindicated — McIlrath really is the 2nd best defenseman in the draft. Rangers fans ought to be grateful that their team saw past the overrated characteristics like “skill” and “talent” of guys like Fowler and Gormley, and picked the guy with the best nickname.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Seriously if you have some free time tomorrow go visit their thread. Some of the comments are really funny (to me). Odviously, they are not amused.
you that fan confidence poll on the top left corner when u come to this site? i just clicked on zero
by NYRZombieDJP on Jun 25, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply
Lobbies: Green, Carlson, Orlov
A couple of Dmitry tidbits (for those who are still awake):
@dchesnokov: Just spoke with Kuznetsov. The kid is excited to have been picked in the 1st round; will attend #Caps rookie camp July 11.
@dchesnokov: Kuznetsov said that even though he has 2 years left on his KHL contract, he will try to come over earlier; willing to do whatever it takes.
by Becca H on Jun 26, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like that he wants to be in the NHL. Attitude this kid seems to have makes me happy.
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For sure. I’m looking forward to seeing him at rookie camp.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of, you obviously don’t have to have the kid under contract for him to attend rookie camp, right?
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No. And that’s how they invite the randoms. You don’t even have to have a rookie camp. It’s just a chance to get players in to take a look and teach them the systems and some lessons. I think the only rule is NCAA players have to pay their own way. There’s a gentelman’s agreement for the rookie game with the Flyers… but they’re the Flyers.
I waited all year for this?
What he said.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Are they doing the rookie game w/ the Flyers again? I’ve loved those, but hadn’t heard anything about it for this year – I went up to lovely Voorhees, NJ for the first one back when Nicky was a rookie, it was so much fun.
Everyone…been a blast, but I have to be up in 4 hours as I have 2 straight days of hockey coaching certification…great way to spend a weekend. 16 hours on the ice.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:28 AM EDT reply actions
u2, hopefully I can get on here end of day tomorrow and we can have some more debating fun. Hopefully we get to talk about the Caps getting Kabanov and a couple good defenseman.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And then he’ll draft a nine-year old Russian hockey prodigy. Because he’s Russian.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 26, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, I’m as big on Alexander Gretzkyov as anyone, but Darren Dreger says sometimes he takes plays off.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 26, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is highly skilled :-). If I recall he is from Belarus
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought AO was hooking up with Larionov’s daughter? (for a while at least)
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably makes sense since our three prospects are now in Washington and Hershey. It would be nice to have a junior that is a few years from Hershey. I suspect one of the three will be gone in 1-2 years.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Flop. Mid round NCAA path guy. Do not work for Washington :-)
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
A player will be a player, regardless of origins. Akim Aliu will prove you wrong. Gonna be the best Nigerian hockey player ever.
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That would be cool. My comment on the NCAA path is not that I believe it is a bad path. It is just that over the last five years the Caps have been horrible at selecting guys after the first round that go the NCAA route and have them develop into a player with potential to even make the NHL. They have done a much better job drafting post first round in the CHL and International. Again, I like the NCAA route…just think the Caps have either bad luck and bad data…or both.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Sample size too small.
4 years has them still in school.
Patience for your bias.
I waited all year for this?
When I get a chance I will take it back to GMGM’s first draft.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 26, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And I don’t mind. One goalie a year in the mid-rounds sounds right to me.
I waited all year for this?
score…..another hott russian hahaha
he sounds like a good player too
is it normal to have strange dreams of yourself meeting ur fave hockey players in sometimes life threatening situations?....I think no...crap
by frazyruskyluver28 on Jun 26, 2010 3:19 AM EDT reply actions
Before reading any comments, these ratings on Russian Prospects are encouraging -
Skating: 9
Stickhandling: 9
Defensive Play: 5
Scoring: 9
Hockey Sense: 8
Size: 5
Skating, Scoring, Stickhandling and Hockey sense are all hard to teach and most players will only see moderate improvements in each. Defensive Play is much easier to coach and Size, while of non-zero importance, is sufficient to play in the NHL. These are encouraging ratings.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 26, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
And I repeat myself myself.
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![Via Traktor Chelyabinsk's website, here's Evgeny Kuznetsov graciously accepting a handmade hat from some of his fans.
The Traktor fans were aware of the NA tradition of the hat trick,and in honor of his strong performance at World Juniors, they made him one of his very own:
"It is known that the ocean [overseas leagues - ed.] has a tradition: after the execution of a hat-trick fans throw on the ice caps. Hat-trick in a literal translation - "hat trick". Kuznetsov played in the World Cup just two such trick: in the group stage, he scored 3 goals in the gate the Latvian team, and in the semi-finals three times, struck the gate of Canada. These two points are noted."
More awesome pix at the link.](http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/235874/kuzya20130112_small.jpg)
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