Friday Caps Clips: Draft Day Dawning
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- On the eve of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, take a trip down memory lane and revisit 2004 with an ebullient and oh-so-young Alex Ovechkin on his draft weekend. Durham ain't no Staples Center™, but I think I like it. [Carolina Hurricanes Video]
- Related: Super. Star. [VirtuPoint.TV]
- SB Nation has geared up for full coverage of the draft - 14 writers, 2 days, 210 draft picks. JP is on the Caps beat, and check out all the other SB bloggers as well. Set your Twitter feeds to "Follow" and lay in a goodly supply of Red Bull, antacids, and weagle-shaped confetti. The future is now! [SB Nation]
- Mike Vogel sits down for a pre-draft chat with GMGM, who frankly looks like he needs a nap. [Caps 365]
- Tim Leone ponders late first round picks from drafts gone by. Most of those picks are currently patrolling the Washington
and Hersheybluelines. Could there be another defenseman in the offing? [Patriot-News] - Hey, Tim might be on to something. Puck Prospectus takes a look at the Capitals' holes and finds they just may need to plug in ... a defenseman. But by draft or by free agency? Decisions, decisions. [Puck Prospectus]
- At some point in this draft, the Caps are nearly certain to be confronted by "the Russian Factor." But will it matter? [Premium Scouting]
- Defiance! [RMNB]
- Lessons learned (and yet to be applied), pre-draft edition. [Storming the Crease]
- Local kid makes good, and a familiar name is set to be the highest NHL draft pick from the DC area - evah. [CSN]
- Allan Muir reviews the NHL Awards show: "High marks to Ovechkin himself, who spent the duration of the show cutting up like the class clown and proving once again that there is no one around this game who is having more fun than Alex. Yeah, he slips on the black hat every once in awhile, but the guy's personality is infectious. Every day that he's not the league's top marketing priority is a wasted opportunity." [Sports Illustrated]
- "Go ahead Ovie, eat your Hart out." The Van wrestles with its new-found fortune. Congrats to Henrik Sedin anyway. Well done, sir. [Vancouver Sun]
- For some reason, nearly every NHL superstar on Wednesday night seems to have preferred the threads of one particular designer. [bluPRintPR]
- In closing, all I can say is, there better be a chapter titled "The Mike Knuble Years". David Steckel does not approve. [Hockey Book Reviews]
- Finally, happy 36th birthday to Glen Metropolit.
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Friday is the new Saturday?
Well, either way the great thing is lots of reading goodness to partake in as we’ve come to enjoy every day.
And on that note, we humbly offer The Mockiest Draft You Ever Did See
If you've read this far...seek help.
Mike Vogel sits down for a pre-draft chat with GMGM, who frankly looks like he needs a nap.
Maybe it was all the Jif peanut butter.
If you've read this far...seek help.
So, is this Brock Nelson actually the kid that we want out of the draft? I haven’t been paying much attention to the prospects, so I really don’t know who I’d want, respective of the position.
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 7:33 AM EDT reply actions
I would like him better if he changed his name to “Brock Samson”
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He still will have awesome nicknames.
I'm gonna pain you dearly Woodhouse, when I peel all your skin off with a flensing knife, sew it into Woodhouse pajamas, and then set those pajamas on fire.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 25, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Would also settle for “Brock Landers” if we could also find a “Chest Rockwell”
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He's no Brock Landers
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory
by Rather Bengt on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
oops beat me to it YLM
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory
by Rather Bengt on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s no Buff Bagwell
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory
by Rather Bengt on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and then we could get Kimbo Slice to work along side him and finally call up Joe Finley. Scariest. Blueline. Evah.
/OFB’d
I waited all year for this?
by Rob Parker on Jun 25, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He's no Brock Landers
He’s no Larry Sanders, either
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jun 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Larry Sanders got drafted yesterday. By the Hawks, I think. Heeeyy-yo!
by bilspacecadet on Jun 25, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s “Hey Now”
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
For awesome nicknames, you can’t go wrong with Tim Leone’s pick of Moose Jaw D-man Dylan McIlrath, aka “The Undertaker”.
"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
We had a decent discussion about him yesterday: http://www.japersrink.com/2010/6/24/1533416/with-the-26th-pick-in-the-sb
Couple small favors
Any chance we could go back to the Caps Clips links automatically opening in a new tab? I’ve gotten used to that.
Also, could you list any CSN articles by Corey as “Corey,” or “Masisak?” I don’t bother to read anything else on CSN, but Corey’s a must-read. J.P. usually labels his stuff by name for that reason.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
So I originally asked this question in the Niedermayer retirement thread, but I really want to know what folks think:
List of active defensemen who have earned a spot in the Hall Of Fame:
* Nick Lidstrom
* [holding nose] Chris Pronger
Am I forgetting anyone? (For these purposes, Chris Chelios is not "active" unless he actually plays another NHL game)
RAL threw out there:
Gonchar probably isn’t good enough, right? Same with Chara?
I think Gonchar won’t get there, and Chara isn’t there yet but has a shot. Is there any one else out there who’s even halfway to qualifying?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
Gonchar definitely won’t make it. Chara could, but I don’t see it. He’s definitely not a lock. Maybe Rafalski, but I wouldn’t say he’s a lock either.
I'm gonna pain you dearly Woodhouse, when I peel all your skin off with a flensing knife, sew it into Woodhouse pajamas, and then set those pajamas on fire.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of the great ones today are still too early to tell.
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Names like Doughty, Keith and Weber would pop up in my head. But it’s so early in their careers. And while I think they have excellent shots to HOF worthy careers. It’s a bit too soon to be blowing that whistle.
I'm gonna pain you dearly Woodhouse, when I peel all your skin off with a flensing knife, sew it into Woodhouse pajamas, and then set those pajamas on fire.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
coughgreencough?
Yep, too early. Lidstrom really built his resume in his 30s, right, with the Norris trophies and 2 Cups (and Smythe?) ?
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say Green and Doughty have the best chances (Green based on improvement and Doughty based on potential for continuing improvement). Keith will need protracted success beyond this and last year.
But yeah, I think that’s it. It’s way easier to pick out future HoF forwards than D, and we’ve got two of them on our team.
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Sid, Malkin, Sedins, Iggy, et al.
It becomes really tough when you get to goaltenders. What happens after Marty? There’s no way Osgood gets in (and if he does, they should close the HOF forever and banish the selection committee), and I can’ t really think of anyone right now who looks like a future HOFer. Maybe Miller?
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the Career numbers for Goalies. I think Osgood should at least have consideration. At least more credit than you’re giving him.
Look at me, Dustin! I'm a F%^king Icon!
He’s awful. Always has been. Six times in his career he’s had save pct’s under 9.
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not convinced the Sedins are in. They took a pretty damn long time to even get to competent First Line status. They’ll need to stay healthy and play a long time to make it.
I waited all year for this?
I agree. I remember well when the Sedins were 3rd liners for the Nucks for the longest time.
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory
by Rather Bengt on Jun 25, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
if Green keeps up those crazy offensive numbers, he should be in the HoF. What he has done so far puts him in very elite company.
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Most of the ones that I grew up with (Coffey, Bourque, MacInnis, etc) that should be in there are already in there. Other than Lidstrom and Niedermayer, every great defenseman from that era is already in the HOF.
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The only one I would say missing (putting Philly dislike aside briefly) is Mark Howe,
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory
by Rather Bengt on Jun 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Rob Blake makes it, I think, and he was active until only a few days, ago :-).
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would have said Blake if he hadn’t already retired.
I'm gonna pain you dearly Woodhouse, when I peel all your skin off with a flensing knife, sew it into Woodhouse pajamas, and then set those pajamas on fire.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 25, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
john carlson…if you are talking about the US hockey hall of fame..
does sergei zubov (KHL active) get some consideration?
adam foote?
it is a short list for sure…
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Zubov I think has a strong case, but I’m not sure he’s active by G.O.D’s definition.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah — I’m looking for gentlemen who will play in the NHL next year.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Allan Muir one of the guys doing all that hand-wringing over how horrible, evil and dirty Ovie had become? I could be thinking of someone else…just seem to recall he wasn’t on my Hanukkah card list for some reason.
It was Kelley who went of the reservation and compared Ovi’s hits during his first suspension to some of the most terrifying acts of brutality in hockey. Not that Muir usually has nice to say about him, but Kelley IMO has some kind of vendetta against Ovi, complete with hyperbole and outright lies.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 25, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that’s what I’m thinking of – and I know Farber’s had some bad ones out there, too. But I could have sworn Muir wrote something particularly scathing that pissed me off…
Crap. This is going to bug me all day.
Now you’re just going to have to read through his archive. Which will probably hurt even more than the headache from it just bugging you. If I recall, Muir’s pretty much of a hack, too, and I was surprised he had something nice to say.
"It's always good to have vikings."
If you remember let me know. I pretty much hate SI now: bad with hockey in general but when they do deign notice they work hard to say as little as possible that’s complementary of Ovi.
But Kelley pissed me off enough that I actually emailed him a number of times to tell him to check his facts and remember how good of a journalist he once was. I was very polite but sharp, and told him he needed to take Leonsis up on his offer and actually come to watch the Caps and Ovi before venting in hate.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and he was there to witness them all in person, like the one against briere in buffalo…
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
One of Nate’s best moments with factoid tweets.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 25, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, like the press box lineup from that day showing he wasnt even there for that game in DC, much less in buffalo.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 25, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Some extra perspective on the Belanger trade — quoth the Tarik:
*In the estimation of McPhee and his staff, this year’s draft drops off after the consensus top two picks forwards Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin, then drops off significantly again in the next round. Edmonton and Boston hold the first and second picks.
“It doesn’t seem to a real strong draft after the midpoint of the second round, not like in past years,” he said. “That’s how our group feels. But we’ll keep scratching away hoping we can find a player.”
If he’s right, it makes that late 2nd round pick used to get Belanger a little less of a loss.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
So we’re going to just barely miss out on Parise and take Fehr right before Getzlaf? Jesus, that’s depressing.
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I am convinced that 2005 had to be a figment of our imagination. It certainly doesn’t exist as far as Caps hockey is concerned.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I don’t think anything will ever be as bad as that one draft where every single pick the Oilers made ever played a game in the NHL
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
1990…
Scott Allison
Alexander Legault D
Joe Crowley L
Joel Blain L
Greg Louder G
Keijo Sailynoja F J
Mike Power G
Roman Mejzlik
Richard Zemlicka F
Petr Korinek C
Sami Nuutinen D
…worst draft in the history of earth.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jun 25, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems like an awfully stupid grudge to cling to. Not much we can do about it now and he’s been successful since.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
I think you’re reading too much into my comment, as I’ve been a pretty strong supporter of GMGM throughout. And I have no power to hold a “grudge” anyway, so it’s moot. But when people look back at GMGM’s draft record and want to complain about Fehr or even Angus, none of that is anywhere near as egregious or damaging as his stupid size fetish in 2005. It’s not like he can say he drafted those guys for the pre-lockout era, either. Both were reaches and both failed spectacularly.
I waited all year for this?
I don’t know. Central scouting had him as the 31st ranked North American skater and TSN didn’t have him in their top thirty. Not a huge reach maybe, but a decent sized one.
Well, he IS huge and WAS a reach…
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
And I think most Caps fans agree that while Getzlaf is an awesome player, Fehr+Backstrom > Getzlaf+a later first-rounder in 06.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Jun 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we could’ve gotten Backs, since if I remember correctly, Getzlaf didn’t play in the NHL for a while. Alzner might be a stretch though.
Nah just wishful thinking. I can’t imagine not having Mean Lars and King Karl.
Getzlaf played in ’06, and did pretty well (39 points in 57 games with 12:35 ATOI).
Lucky for the Caps, things seemed to have worked out pretty well in any case.
TSN’s mock draft with McGuire and that other dude (25 min video on TSN.ca) have the Caps getting another Swedish center, I think, who McKenzie ranked 50th.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Oscar Lindberg he plays for Skellefteå in the SEL but mostly in the junior team. I would be very surprised if GMGM made that choice. I watched him in the playoff series between Färjestad and Skellefteå and saw nothing that made me believe that he would be worth to do a reach like that for. I’m not saying that he’s bad just that he’s not a first rounder.
If he wants a Swedish center pick Calle Järnkrok instead.
What can I say I’m a JP fangirl. I will follow him into the darkest and filthiest of alleys, even the comment section at Puck Daddy.
by Malin A on Jun 25, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
IW always coming with the Swedish inside info. I thought it was weird that they’d have a non-SEL guy above the SEL guy as well. I’ve said it many times, but I think being able to play and hold your own in the SEL as an 17-18 year old is incredibly impressive. I’m sure these other guys are quality players but I just don’t see how the guy who is in the SEL isn’t the highest rated Swede.
I waited all year for this?
It does, but that’s also a pretty self-serving statement. And did they already know that when they moved the pick? I suspect they had an idea of how the draft was shaping up but there’s always a lot of late moving and we’ve seen more than one recent draft go from shallow to deep in the last couple months before the draft. I don’t mind the trade either way, I just don’t necessarily buy what GMGM is selling (always a good stance). Now, if we can get someone to take Flash for one of those early 2nds and possibly get two players, I’d be ecstatic. There are a couple teams that could afford to make that move and have a need for a skilled wing, so hopefully GMGM makes it happen. I’m not holding my breath.
I waited all year for this?
I think the odds of Flash moving at the draft are pretty good. At least in the neighborhood of 50/50. I don’t see him coming back, and now’s the time those guys usually move.
I would love to see him not coming back, and the contract news made me smile, but I can’t bring myself to believe it will happen given his charmed existence in this organization. Call it a defense mechanism, but I just can’t get my hopes up.
I waited all year for this?
by Rob Parker on Jun 25, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Call it a defense mechanism, but I just can’t get my hopes up.
I don’t call it a defense mechanism. I call it being a long time Caps fan.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Jun 25, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That draft day of Ovi’s is rather sweet. He’s so excited and seems like he doesn’t want to miss a single bit of the experience. Love the video camera action. Reminded me of his flip camera action from the awards night. He still likes to capture those big moments.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
Draft Night Drinking Game
This does not have to be played with alcohol – but see what you guys think?
Take one sip:
* If Gary Bettman gets booed
* For every member of a draft team to speak on the podium for a single pick after the first
* If a GM congratulates Chicago for winning the Cup
* If a GM thanks LA for their hospitality
* If one of the commentators says a pick was “unexpected” or “a reach”.
* If Pierre McGuire says the word “monster” or “big body presence”
* If the camera focuses on a team logo on a draft table
* If a GM shouts out to his team’s fans back home
Take two sips:
* If a GM mentions his family or new puppy.
* If whoever is announcing the pick butchers the guy’s name
* If another team drafts a player you wanted your team to take
Finish your drink:
* If the commentator butchers the name of the draft pick.
* If Bettman gets cheered. Ever.
* If a current player who is not the draft pick talks on stage.
* If another team drafts a player you wanted your team to take – and trade
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
by gotsparkly on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Whoops, that last one should be “and trade up to do it”
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
* If Gary Bettman gets booed…drink a beer
* For every member of a draft team to speak on the podium for a single pick after the first…drink a beer
* If a GM congratulates Chicago for winning the Cup…drink a beer
* If a GM thanks LA for their hospitality…drink a beer
* If one of the commentators says a pick was "unexpected" or "a reach"….drink a beer
* If Pierre McGuire says the word "monster" or "big body presence"…drink a beer
* If the camera focuses on a team logo on a draft table…drink a beer
* If a GM shouts out to his team’s fans back home…drink a beer
* If a GM mentions his family or new puppy….drink a beer
* If whoever is announcing the pick butchers the guy’s name…drink a beer
* If another team drafts a player you wanted your team to take…drink a beer
* If the commentator butchers the name of the draft pick….drink a beer
* If Bettman gets cheered. Ever….spit out your beer
* If a current player who is not the draft pick talks on stage….drink a beer
* If another team drafts a player you wanted your team to take – and trade…drink a beer
If you've read this far...seek help.
You’d be passed out on the floor before the Caps pick :D
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Beer is not for wasting. Good thing Bettman has never received cheers.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, imagine if he announced he was stepping down at the draft. it could happen.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
One can only hope that he trips in doing so and does a face-plant
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jun 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
shot gun a beer for every mention of the “presidents trophy winning capitals who flamed out in the playoffs”…
tequila body shot off your significant other for every mention of the caps needing a “crease clearing defenseman”
red bull and vodka shot for every alex semin trade rumor…
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
One sip for every time “upside” is used, but that’s more a Hubie Brown thing.
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
“Tremendous Upside Potential”. Hubie should do every draft in every sport.
I never travel far....without a little Big Star...
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Just a reminder that tomorrow morning on Japers’ Rink Radio we welcome Tarik El-Bashir of the Washington Post live from the draft in Los Angeles where we will talk to him about the 1st round draft pick, any Caps trades (and significant NHL trades) as well as the upcoming free agency period.
If you haven’t listened to last weeks show yet, check it out for Karl Alzner’s draft day experience and TSN.ca’s Scott Cullen of Hall, Seguin and Jarred Tinordi.
by freakinandpeakin on Jun 25, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
Can you ask him what’s with the poma-rita/cosmo that Corey caught him drinking?
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Jun 25, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, very cool, looking forward to it.
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I’m looking forward to it. Love the guests.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bmo article (dont’t think I saw this posted anywhere)
LINK
this jumped out at me
“You can say what you like about how our season ended, how Montreal played, officiating, anything. But we were 1-for-34 on the power play and we went the whole series without making any adjustments,” said Morrison. “That’s just not going to work.”
That’s a pretty blatant smack to the face of the Caps coaching staff. Probably deserved.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Jun 25, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Much deserved. I appreciate B-Mo’s honesty
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory
by Rather Bengt on Jun 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good find. I always liked BMo. And I agree with his assessment of the streak. BB made no changes to the lineup even though near the end of the streak it was clear the guys weren’t playing with the same discipline. I could understand it—don’t mess with the chemistry if they are winning anyway. But wasn’t it the Habs who broke the streak just before the Olympic break? Harbinger of things to come I guess.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I will point out that the Habs would not have broken the streak if Ovie’s goal had been allowed to stand……streak remains live, Ovie winning Richard, Habs out of the playoffs…..
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I don’t supposed the same referee made both no-goal calls for Montreal?
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Not sure I want to know if it was the same ref.
I had forgotten about Ovi’s Hal Gill body slam landing everyone and everything into the net. What a difference a single goal/non-goal can make.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 25, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
“I hurt my groin late in the season "
That sounds like something we didn’t know. Or I have selective memory.
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One Last Call
I put up a FanPost the other day, trying to gather all the LA area Rink-ers who will attend tonight in person, and, other than the big man, have gotten no replies.
So again—anyone else going? Anyone else want to meet up to complain about Norris trophy injustice (one lousy fourth place vote? Come on!)? Let’s get some enthusiasm going for the 26th pick!
A bunch of friend of mine, and fellow Caps fans are attending the actual Draft. I’ll foward this over to them.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 25, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be with you in spirit!
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So apparently the Flyers offered Hamhuis a hair over 3M and he declined. Negotiations ongoing, but not much progress.
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So did I. Were I Philly, I’d try real close to 4 and see if he takes it.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 25, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that a 4 million dollar deal leaves them in pretty tough shape, and it’s almost impossible to keep Coburn and upgrade your goalie at that point.
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Hamhuis or Coburn for F&B, in a vacuum? In Philly?
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by Chris Burton on Jun 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
additionally
It was pretty obvious Hamhuis wanted a deal in that area, so why the hell did Holmgren trade for him if it would prohibit keeping Coburn and upgrading the goalies?
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by Chris Burton on Jun 25, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Pursuant to that, per Twitter:
@TSNBobMcKenzie Dan Hamhuis is not at all close on contract talks with PHI and at this point, all signs point to him going to UFA.
<.< >.> Pssst. Hey Dan. Washington’s just two hours from Philly.
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Exceeeeeeeeeeeeellent.
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and our fans don’t require any tasers!
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McKenzie:
While Hamhuis’s neg rights could be traded again pre-July 1, I have reason to believe it will NOT be to VAN. Not saying VAN has no interest
Just saying that the Canucks are more likely to use conventional means — negotiate on July 1.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 25, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And based on the first tweet, why would you trade for them? Screw Philly.
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And based on the first tweet, why would you trade for them?
The same reason Philadelphia traded for them: to get a leg up on the negotiating process. Hell, if the Caps could have a week of Hamhuis’ rights for a sixth rounder, I’d do that in a heart beat.
Hells yes. What is Hammer expected to be looking for contract-wise, though?
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Trade Parent and a pick for Hamhuis, sign Hamhuis, trade Coburn or Carle for a fair price. You’ve essentially traded Parent, a pick, and Carle/Coburn for Hamhuis and whatever the D who moves out gives you in return, and you come out ahead.
Makes more sense when you put it that way, I suppose.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You come out ahead as long as you do manage to replace the D. The issue with PHI is that they only had 4 D they could trust. Hammer is an upgrade on Coburn, to be sure, but that still leaves them with 4 D if they can’t keep Coburn. They need to find a third pair that can play at least a little bit, and continuing to go with a top-heavy salary structure isn’t going to solve that.
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Fooling around with Capgeek:
2010-11 WASHINGTON CAPITALS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Mike Knuble ($2.800m)
Alexander Semin ($6.000m) / * $5.5 Million Center ($5.500m) / * Eric Fehr ($0.900m)
Brooks Laich ($2.067m) / Marcus Johansson ($0.900m) / Mathieu Perreault ($0.717m)
Jason Chimera ($1.875m) / Dave Steckel ($1.100m) / Matt Bradley ($1.000m)
* Boyd Gordon ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
* $3.5 Million Defenseman ($3.500m) / Mike Green ($5.250m)
* Jeff Schultz ($1.750m) / John Carlson ($0.846m)
Karl Alzner ($1.675m) / Tom Poti ($3.500m)
John Erskine ($1.250m) / Tyler Sloan ($0.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Michal Neuvirth ($0.822m) / Simeon Varlamov ($0.822m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $60.011m; CAP ROOM: $0.239m BONUSES: $0.850m
(chose Marcus Yo and Matty P because they’re the most expensive forward prospects the team might carry next year. I think Andrew Gordon and Kyle Wilson also have a shot, but I think there are maximum 2 roster spots available.)
Seems to me that the Caps can definitely keep Semin and sign a center and a defenseman.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
For this year, they’d be okay. But next summer the goalies are RFAs, Alzner’s an RFA, and Laich’s a UFA. Plus you’d be eating in to bonus cushion.
It’s why it would be best to give the center a one year deal (or get Bergeron, who has one year left) and hope that Mackan or MP is ready to step into the 2C role next year.
I wouldn’t mind giving a defenseman a long contract. Tom Poti comes off the books next summer.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think they’d go get a $5.5 million center? Doesn’t strike me as in the plan. Or else not get the $3.5m defenseman. I can’t see that they’d willingly go all the way to the cap.
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This is demonstrative. Shows the max they could do. With that said, it wouldn’t have surprised me to see them offer more to Marleau. Nobody else on the free agent market deserves 5.5. Bergeron makes 5.75 and yeah, I’d take him.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve got the money, I just don’t think there are any FAs that make a ton of sense to sign within the rubric you’ve laid out. Lombardi is probably the best FA C on the market, but 5.5 is a massive overpayment and a long term deal doesn’t make sense because either Mackan or MP will probably be better than him in 2 years, tops. Michalek is very attractive on D, but will cost much more than the 3.5. Unless we trade for a C, I don’t know how it works. Lombardi could be signed as a 2C now and transition to 3C, but it will depend on the cost and term.
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You think Michalek will be more than $3.5? He only made $1.5 million last year, not sure I see him more than doubling his contract; Lombardi I could maybe see crossing into $4 million but again, he was only at $2.35 mil last year. It’s a shallow UFA pool but you have to think GMs will go all-in with higher level guys, not mid-level talent like this.
I think we’ll make a trade before we sign someone, but if we did go after those guys I could see either one (or both) being fairly reasonable and completely doable. For me it comes down to term – I’m okay with a bit more money but long-term for a center at least would be ridiculous for the reasons you pointed out.
Michalek’s never been a UFA or UFA eligible before, I don’t think, so last year’s salary isn’t indicative of what he’d be valued at on the market.
Nope, he hasn’t. And it’s a fair point…but I still have a hard time visualizing it. He’s such an under-the-radar guy, which is probably partly because of where he plays, that it’s hard to imagine him being this big money player.
I guess I’ll just look like an idiot (for a change) when someone pays him $5.8 million a year for the next 7 years or something.
Scuderi got $3.4 million for 4 last year. He had more exposure than Michalek but I think given what guys like Gorges/Gill did, Michalek could be in the Scuderi range.
Especially for the teams that bid and lose out on Volchenkov. Michalek makes a nice consolation prize and would be cheaper.
A lot of people seem to think he might join brother Milan up in Ottawa; which makes sense for the team too, since they’re probably going to have to replace Volchenkov.
Agree with all of this. Michalek doesn’t have the SCF hero tag, but he already has hype and anyone who is paying attention realizes he’s a pretty solid player. In such a thin UFA year I can’t imagine there won’t be at least one GM willing to push the limits just to get him.
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I think Mihcalek easily makes 3.5. I wouldn’t at all be shocked to see him make more than 4, but I probably wouldn’t pay him that either.
Lombardi shouldn’t make more than 3.5, and even that’s generous, but I can see some GM getting desperate and offering more.
I don’t see why you think GMs won’t go all in with mid-level guys. I guess it depends on what you mean by “all in,” but routinely the mid-level guys get very nice raises on the UFA market. There are the guys that are hysterical and notorious, like Finger, but also guys that were recognized as decent players but not elite, like Komisarek and Beuchemin.
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What if you switched it: 3.5 million for Lombardi at a reasonable term, 5.5 million for Paul Martin?
I would definitely do that.
"Ovechkin, what is good in life?"
"To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their captain."
I’d love Martin but the term and salary is probably going to be too high for us. Giving a D a 5.5 long term deal right now doesn’t appeal to me either. We have to re-sign Green, Alzner, Carlson in the next two years and still need to sign Schultz this off-season. Unless you want to start kissing goodbye to our D, specifically Green and/or Carlson, I wouldn’t get into the Paul Martin bidding.
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Will have to watch when I get home – I’m sure it’s cute, though, anything w/ Ovie is!
I will say that the hype is starting to drive me a bit nutty. I love Strasburg and I’m a big Nats fan and even that was too much; I’m not at all a Wizards/NBA fan, so the Wallmania is waaay over the top for me.
Of course at the same time i’m excited for DC sports, and I like seeing all these young phenoms kind of coming together to welcome each other, cute cute. Yay wishy-washiness.
So…yeah.
Ovie smiles, so of course it’s all worth watching!
I’m sure Wall-mania will chill when Strasburg (holy hell, that boy is the real deal! Unbelievable) has his next start.
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His gap-toothed grin was the highpoint for me too.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Aww, Ovie-smiles…I like Ovie-smiles.
It might. Or it might ramp up until Wall makes HIS pro debut. Which will probably coincide with the start of our season. Ugh.
Now granted, the fact that Strasburg is indeed the real deal is part of the reason I forgive a bit of the hype – especially since I like him and baseball. I’ll be honest, though, in basketball I wouldn’t know what the “real deal” was if it bit me in the armpit, so there’s that.
for some reason, this reminds me of something I saw in City Sports the other day: Lots of Redskins gear. A surprising amount of Caps gear (I mean, it’s June!). A couple of Nats shirts. And no Wizards apparel anywhere in sight. Maybe that’ll change now that Wall is here, but that seems to be an indication of team popularity, at least among downtown shoppers.
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It’s funny to listen to the radio chatter, because they’re all up in arms that he needs to pick a new number because the one he’s always had is retired. He’s taking his sweet time, but I’ll bet the team would like him to do it ASAP so they can start selling jerseys. He’s costing them money! :-)
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I’ve never watched basketball so I have no clue how good Wall is but he does seem to be touted as a potential superstar kind of talent. Strasburg thus far has lived up to his potential superstar hype.
I think the Strasburg/Wall hoopla is a much due to the Ovi factor. Ovi’s outsized personality coupled with his dominance on the ice has made sports beyond the Redskins relevant for DC area fans. I think both the Nats and the Wizards are caught up in the possibilities—draft a super-talent with good character, rebuild a team around that athlete, and the sky’s the limit with the franchise—much like the Caps.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 25, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re asking me if I missed something having to do with basketball?
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
Pens may be picking a wing for Sid. Maybe even trading up for a wing for Sid:
@tsnjamesduthie Crosby is here. Expected to be at Penguins draft table. Announcing the pick a la Ovechkin in Vancouver?
laaaaaaaaaame.
and I bet it doesn’t result in hilarious video footage, either.
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Signs are pointing to “skilled wing”: http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/2010/6/25/1537220/shero-looking-to-draft-a-forward
Some teams are said to be shopping their mid top-ten picks for roster players. Pens have a bunch of role-players they wouldn’t miss too much, I bet.
Uh… if PIT’s role players are enough to get them in the mid top-ten, then what does Flash get? As much as I hate Flash, he’d immediately be by far the best wing on PIT, and he’s a better trade option than anyone PIT has and would be willing to part with.
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But does PIT have anything we’d want in return? That they’d give us, that is.
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No, I’m not talking about giving Flash to PIT. I have no interest in helping them find a wing with talent, and I don’t think GMGM does either. PIT and DC don’t seem like likely trade partners for the foreseeable future. I’m saying that if PIT is going to be able to move up to an early first round pick by trading some of the flotsam that rounds out their roster, then Flash should be trade bait that gets us damn near the lottery picks. I get that some teams want immediate help via roster players. I don’t get who on PIT satisfies that need and would be remotely available.
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Flash would be the best secret weapon ever if he went to Pittsburgh. it would make is annual playoff disappearing act the highlight of my spring.
but who or what does Pittsburgh have to make a trade, that the Caps would want?
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gotcha. Can’t argue with your logic, either.
but, admit it, you’d love to see Flash self-destruct in a Pens jersey.
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Are you kidding? With our luck, he’d become Peter-fucking-Bondra for them.
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 25, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m trying this “positive thinking on Fridays” thing. As in, positive thoughts of the Penguins going out in 4 in the first round.
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great minds think alike!
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I don’t particularly care if they do or don’t use Sid to announce, but it’s not the same at all. Baxter was a bluechip lottery pick that was pretty much guaranteed to be AO’s C for the long term from the second Toews was taken at 3. Whoever the Pens get, unless they seriously trade up (which they don’t have the assets to do) is almost certainly not going to be in the NHL next season and would require a pretty incredible development boost to even be on the opening night roster of 2011-12. They may be looking for a wing, but where they are drafting it’s not a franchise wing and it’s not immediate help, in all likelihood.
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I had the same take on any potential draft pick making an upcoming roster, let alone turning into the elite winger Pittsburgh has been searching for. They’re going to have to trade for or get one on the FA market if they want an immediate impact. Which, of course, then brings up that whole debate about Sid’s ability to actually elevate the game of those around him.
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I think the bigger question a trade would raise is how PIT can make that trade with their farm in the state it is. It would have to either move a core player or kill their farm. Plus, if the player is that good how can they afford to keep him? For PIT it only really makes sense to try to string together a series of ELC wings that are capable of playing in the NHL and trying to recoup assets when they get too expensive. I have no doubt Crosby could produce with a high quality linemate.
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I guess it also depends on Pittsburgh’s philosophy. Do they go all in and try and win NOW, or are they looking to establish themselves as long-term contenders? Everything I’ve seen says the latter, but that also means having to rebuild the farm and accepting that the odds of an elite winger wearing black and vegas gold is almost zilch.
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The latter? What makes you think the latter? They traded Caputi for Poni, and a 2nd for Leopold. Both were relatively “win now” moves. Shero has been very active at the deadline for the last few years and that’s why their farm is in the shallow state it is. He seems much more inclined to go “win now” than win later. He has a nice core locked up, and I think he wants as many Cups as he can get while he can afford them. He’ll deal with the rest later.
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for “win now” I would have expected better than Leopold and Poni. I realize the trade market was fairly, um, unspectacular the last couple of seasons, but those two don’t scream “we’re all in to win now!” to me. Or maybe Shero’s just not very good at this trade-to-win-today thing and it’s left me thoroughly confused.
I guess at this point the Penguins can’t be a win now team, imo. They don’t have a lot of cap flexibility, the farm is gutted, and their role players aren’t exactly going to fetch a whole lot on the trade market. They have to rebuild the system, and for the next couple of years hope their core can keep them in the middle of the the East playoff pack. They should be thinking long term. (are they? no idea. obviously, we disagree on that)
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for "win now" I would have expected better than Leopold and Poni. I realize the trade market was fairly, um, unspectacular the last couple of seasons, but those two don’t scream "we’re all in to win now!" to me. Or maybe Shero’s just not very good at this trade-to-win-today thing and it’s left me thoroughly confused.
You can only acquire what the market will allow you to pick up. Shero hasn’t been shy about picking up the better players or moving his own assets, even if it doesn’t always mean a blockbuster.
Exactly. What else did you want him to do? Offer up all their picks for the next 3 years to try to pry an elite wing away? He looked at what was available, and he gave up an acceptable price. Giving up Caputi for Poni isn’t objectively bad; the problem is when you look at the rest of the farm and consider that he was their second best wing and they really only have one other guy that could be considered a potential top 6 wing.
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I’m sure they are thinking both; Shero hasn’t given up First round picks since the Hossa deal (which was worth it) so I think he realizes he needs some quality prospects. Shero has been a pretty good GM so I can’t really knock him too much. The main critique I have is taking Staal over Toews, but after that he’s been pretty solid. He adds what his team needs at the deadline and he’s assembled a core that is going to be a EC favorite every year. You say they have to hope the core can keep them in the middle of the East playoff pack, but that’s selling them way short. So long as Crosby and Malkin are on that team they are going to be one of the 3 best teams in the East. Honestly, pending what BOS does to un-fuck their cap I think PIT/PHI/WAS are the class of the East for the foreseeable future. We haven’t had the current success, but definitely have the most reinforcements on the way.
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Aw.
@RusHockeyFans: Ivan Telegin: “Any team is good for me, but I’d like to end up in Washington with Alexander Ovechkin”
Not a chance. He goes in the top twelve or so. He was a beast on Delly’s team. I was hoping no one else was paying attention.
The Predators could use a guy like him.
Yeah I agree. I wish Burmistrov or Tarasenko would fall but I just don’t see it happening.
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I’d love to have either one of those players, Tarasenko especially. But yeah, there’s basically zero chance either one falls out of the teens, much less to 26.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 25, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he drops to after 15 at least, but he goes then.
The Preds could use him, but I don’t see them taking a Russian after the Radulov fiasco.
Meh. Wary of Russians ;).
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by Chris Burton on Jun 25, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
awwwww. The Russian kiddies are just so adorable in their love of Ovie and the “Kepitalz”
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@Darrendregger – Dallas is listening to any interest expressed, but the Stars aren’t pushing Mike Ribeiro out.
Riberio had a slightly down year last year, only 53 points in 66 games, but was around a point per game player in the 2 years prior. Cap hit of 5 million through 2012-2013.
I’d probably say no thank you.
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crap, missed the block quote. Everything after “pushing Mike Riberiro out” was me.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely pass. I hate that guy so much. He may be a talented player but he’s a giant douche bag. I also don’t think he’s going to bring the consistent and tough performance we will need to win a Cup. I literally only have one playoff memory of him, and he’s rolling around like Cristiano Ronaldo in a Habs jersey. Fuck that guy.
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You mean
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 25, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
if Knuble really wanted to hurt Riberio, he wouldn’t have been able to show us his shitty acting skills.
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Good for Recchi. I like the guy.
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by Rather Bengt on Jun 25, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He's prettier than Ricci
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 25, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
that guy gives small children nightmares.
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I’m watching TSN clips, and James Duthie is talking about Taylor vs. Tyler at the Twilight Premiere. Apparently Tyler was ribbing on Taylor for ‘not having any idea what Twilight was about at all’ as opposed to Tyler, who’s read all the books/seen the movies. That’s totally another point in Taylor’s favor, that’s all I’m saying :D
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