Thursday Caps Clips: Viva Las Vegas
by EmilyB on Jun 24, 2010 10:29 AM EDT
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Your savory breakfast links (but please draw the curtains and keep your voices low, thanks):
- Alex Ovechkin will be the first name engraved on the spiffy new Ted Lindsay Award (and also the last name engraved on the Lester B. Pearson Award), as Ovi's fellow players agreed for the third year in a row that he is their MVP. [NHLPA] Plus reax, at TJ's place [Alex Ovetjkin]
- Jose Theodore was emotional yet gracious as he was named the recipient of the Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy one year and one day after the birth of his son Chace, and just ten months after his son's passing. [Montreal Gazette]
- Mike Green was >thisclose< once again to receiving the Norris Trophy, but instead joined Alex Ovechkin on the League's First All-Star Team for the second year in a row, and they became the first teammates to repeat as First Team All-Stars since...Gretzky and Coffey. Hmmm. [NHL]
- If you want to know how the voting went down, Mirtle can hook you up. [Globe and Mail]
- If you want to know how the Roenick/Ovechkin party went down, Lavo can hook you up. Congratulations to the happy couple! [Daily Fiasco]
- Finally, it was confirmed last night that Jose Theodore will not be returning to the Capitals' crease next season. We only recently learned of his great depth of character, generosity of spirit, and personal fortitude. He will certainly be missed "in the room" and in the greater DC community. Merci et bonne chance, Jose. We wish you the very best.
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I’ll just repeat the clips I threw into the off-topic thread here, too, in case anyone’s interested.
- More on Theo winning the Masterton [NHL.com, CSN Washington]
- Boudreau thinks Ovechkin and Green should have won. Yeah, he might be a bit biased. [CSN Washington]
- Ovie gives an endless speech – Steinberg is on it (and please don’t feed the trolls in the comments…) [DC Sports Bog]
- OFB covets a big, scary defenseman in this weekend’s draft. Natch. [OFB]
- A standard rundown of the awards… [CP]
- …and a better one from Peerless. [Peerless]
- And finally, check out Ovie with the world’s ugliest trophy and other fun sights in this Awards gallery [Gazette]
What if the Caps select the Undertaker at no. 26 Friday night and Joe Finley blooms late and Alexander Ovechkin returns to his natural wrecking ball ways?
Bwaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahaha. Still holding out for the Joe Finley development? Those guys are high-larious. Obviously AO will be a wrecking ball, but having any faith that Joe Finley is going to be anything is insane. Also insane? The suggestion that we should trade up to get “The Undertaker” when we don’t have a 2nd round pick this year or next year. Given that Tinordi is a similar kind of player, and there are plenty of other quality prospects, there is absolutely no reason to give up assets to move up a few picks.
I waited all year for this?
Yeah, just the basic premise that the Caps should give up assets to pick one type of guy while then holding out hope that he pans out AND Finley pans out…yeah. Hilarious in so many ways.
Last time I checked the Cup-winning Hawks didn’t have a big, scary defenseman on their roster…
Keith… Seabrook… Hjalmarsson… Sopel… Campbell… Hendry… Yeah, I’m not seeing it.
The Caps are in a position where they need to be very careful with our draft picks. Yes, our farm is deep, but that doesn’t mean you can ignore re-stocking it because those ponds have a way of drying up quickly. Once the goalies and Carlznerson come off our HF prospect list we won’t be looking nearly as pretty. GMGM just needs to bring in 1-2 quality players every draft, and giving up all your picks to trade up for one guy is a bad idea.
I waited all year for this?
Exactly. Sopel’s probably the “biggest” and “scariest” and he’s only 6’1", 205.
I don’t get why people still think a big, mean, slow defenseman is the key – sure, it (sometimes) works for Pronger but he’s a member of a very small group and these days, you have to be able to skate.
Totally agree on the draft picks. The party line with this organization has been that we’re creating a team that can compete for a long time, meaning you need to constantly refuel. Look at the Penguins, for instance – they have some good young players and they’ve locked up their core, but their prospect pool is pretty dry these days.
Right. And they moved Caputi for Poni and that didn’t work out. Now they pretty much need Tangradi to pan out and they need to find some young guys to develop fast. They are marginally in a better position on D, but really haven’t left themselves any margin for error.
I waited all year for this?
Disagree. The Pens have 10 forwards under contract (plus Godard) and 3 defensemen. (which doesn’t count Tangradi or Lovejoy)
So they’ve got a little north of $11 million to sign 2 top six wingers and 3 defensemen (only 1 top 4 role). That’s managable.
Tangradi will transition into full-time NHL by the end of next season, and Despres may get a 10 game October look. Then factor Johnson, Jeffrey, Letestu as guys with reasonable, though not game-breaking NHL potential. Defensively there’s still high hopes for Strait and Bortuzzo and college champ Carl Sneep’s joining WB/S.
I agree it’s tricky to maintain when you’re at the top, but I don’t think Pittsburgh’s as bone dry as you may think. Certainly not as stocked with 18-22 year olds as Washington is, but overall not bad considering who’s 25 or younger in the Pens organization that’s already in the NHL.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s probably somewhere in between – not sure you guys are bone dry but I don’t think the prospect pool is anywhere as deep as you’d like it to be to make sure the team stays competitive. Obviously that can change quickly, and there are other ways to build a team outside of the draft, (and I have more limited knowledge of your baby Pens than the baby Caps) but still.
And really, part of that just comes down to the fact that if you start to string good years together, your draft picks are going to go down in quality. I’d expect the Caps to have the same problem unless they replenish soon. We have quite a few guys under 25 in the NHL, too, and still have a decent amount of prospect depth, but F&B is right – once Carlson/Alzner/Neuvy make the jump it starts to get a bit more shallow. It’ll be interesting to see what GMGM pulls off.
I don’t think the prospect pool is anywhere as deep as you’d like it to be to make sure the team stays competitive
Of the 14 “core” players (top 9 forwards, 4 defensemen and starting goalie), the Pens already have 9 solid guys locked in; 7 of them 25 years old or younger. That’s a lot like the Caps number, I imagine. Once you have that many generationally great players under contract for years to come, I don’t think it’s vital to have a stocked farm system. Borderline impossible, really.
At that point teams have to use prospects/picks as chips to tinker and add on for Cup runs — like the Corvo or Ponikarovsky trades.
I’m with you both teams could use a good draft to stock up as guys come through the system, but in my opinion, it’s hardly pressing when you already have so many established awesome players tearing it up in the NHL and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
At that point teams have to use prospects/picks as chips to tinker and add on for Cup runs — like the Corvo or Ponikarovsky trades.
Agreed, but I think that the relative farm depth makes the Poni trade hurt you guys much more than the Corvo trade hurt us. Neither trade worked out nearly as well as their teams had hoped, but the Caps lost a more expendable asset than PIT. Caputi may not be the second coming of John Leclair, but he’ll be in the NHL within a couple years and he will probably end up at least a decent second line wing. That would be a great player to have riding behind Tangradi.
I waited all year for this?
We’ll see. 1 goal in 19 games in Toronto for Caputi, and he may have been dealt because the Penguins didn’t think he could be effective in the NHL. It hurts that the Poni deal didn’t work out period though.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know, Caputi hasn’t arrived yet. But he was playing for TOR, with like no help. He wouldn’t be on the Pens in 2010-11 but I bet he plays almost the whole year for TOR, if not the whole year. We’ll see how he turns out but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he was your second best F prospect. Osala was nowhere near our 2nd best forward.
I waited all year for this?
And Hooks, it’s way off topic for this discussion, but I wonder why you chose the guy you did for the mock draft. It seems like you went for the “high profile guy that fell a lot in the months before the draft” route with Angelo Esposito and it didn’t really turn out well. Wouldn’t you be weary of a guy that was on such a precipitous decline again?
I waited all year for this?
I batted around a couple of names for them to consider but wasn’t privvy to making the final call. I wouldn’t select McFarland.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops. Oughta ‘z’ down, next time.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Pittsburgh does not take him….I want him for the Caps. Need to have a contact to get those tickets on the cheap when the Caps come to Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit, etc.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Jun 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t pick him.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, Hooks – not related to this (directly at least) but who do you want your team to go after to skate on Sid’s wing this year? Or do you think you guys will stick with the status quo?
Honestly I thought he should have gotten more Hart consideration than he did, mainly because he had to take matters into his own hands. Amazing season, even I can admit it. But I’m guessing he – and you – would prefer that he combines his skill with someone else’s, a la Backstrom/Ovechkin, no?
I saw somebody a few days ago mention Kirill Kabanov for Pittsburgh, and thought that was an intriguing choice. He’s a gifted winger, with a rep as a headcase with daddy issues and who might be a flight risk back to Russia. And yet…the Pens’ org might have the best tools to counter most of those issues, starting withSid to show some leadership, Geno to neutralize the “Russian factor,” and three strong centers for Kirill to find a fit with.
Dunno how any team will deal with the “crazy stage dad” factor, though.
I don’t know. From what I’ve heard, Sid’s dad is up there on the crazy scale – they may be used to it.
Hah, he’s not bad at all. He’ll be at games but just kind of in the background. It’s not like he travels with the team 24/7 or anything.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but I’ve heard other stuff about what he’s like behind-the-scenes that was…yeah.
Could just be a rumor, of course, since obviously I don’t know what goes on out of the public eye and I doubt the person who told me this does, either – just didn’t sound good when I heard it.
Rumors tend to be trumped up. From everything I’ve seen and heard, I don’t think it’s a big deal. He’s probably no more over-bearing than Alex’s mom
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the impression that they are both ultra protective of and thin skinned about their respective phenoms but after years of guiding them through development and the beginning of their careers that always made sense to me. I also take with a grain of salt anything the media says about a sports parent of a high profiled player—there are certain story lines that the media loves and the bad sports parent is a favorite.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 24, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovie’s mom scares me, but I wouldn’t call her over-bearing.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Nor would I. Tho’ she does come across as intense and driven. Perhaps she’s also also charming—or maybe he gets that from his dad, the quiet one who’s at the practices and meets him at the airport.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 24, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
His dad isn’t quiet. LOL! He likes flirting as much as Ovie and chats to the people around him (especially the females). Ovie’s personality is from his father.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Ha, ha. Good to know. Ovi gets his flirtatious nature from his dad then. I clearly need to get to practices more—sans son that is.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 24, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting theory. After reading about the kid some, I feel like he needs to grow up, and it didn’t really seem like he was headed in that direction. Maybe a stint away from daddy in the military where he learned he had to follow the rules like everyone else would help someone like him
by vtcapsfan99 on Jun 24, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted we were all young and stupid at one point (or all points) but Kabanov seems to have rubbed almost everyone he’s come in contact to the wrong way and they’ve cut ties with him. That can’t be a good sign.
I’d wouldn’t mind seeing the Pens get a big d-man like Tinordi or McIlrath if possible. I don’t really like many of the forwards in the mid-1st round. But I’m no scout so who knows.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, McIlrath is a beast. Just nasty.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, Hooks – not related to this (directly at least) but who do you want your team to go after to skate on Sid’s wing this year? Or do you think you guys will stick with the status quo?
Ray Whitney is my #1 choice, but given his salary/length demands that may not be workable.
I’m also on a Chris Higgins kick, I think he might have a chance to be decent.
My pipedream is David Perron on a offer sheet but we all know that’s not happening.
I bet the Pens will be active in UFA. Whether or not they can pull of signings is another matter.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Higgins is a great choice. Grew up on Long Island and honed his skills alongside such notable hockey players SBN commenters as Fehr and Balanced and Killer_Carlson.
I waited all year for this?
Love Higgins. And Perron, for that matter. Whitney…not so much. The Pens can have him (although I’d be worried that he could legitimately be a good fit).
I know Hooks loves Perron, but I’m not as big on him. I definitely don’t think giving up the picks it would take (if PIT even has them) for an offer sheet is wise.
I waited all year for this?
That whole theory of mine is flawed anyways, because STL probably matches anything that wouldn’t cripple the Pens salary cap long-term. So it’s no-win and not going to happen.
But I’m just going to keep dreaming, thankyouverymuch.
Huh. Just went to look up Higgins (…and forgot he was in Calgary, went to the Rangers page first because I’m smrt like that) and I somehow overlooked that he’d be a UFA. Might be a decent addition for the Caps, too – although I’m not convinced he’s a legit 2C. Possibly.
In other words, keep your grubby Penguin hands off him ;)
The way I see it, the Pens can take a chance on some reclamation projects on their wings, whereas the Caps are going to be looking for the best pure #2 center that there is.
That makes Higgins a better fit to me in Pittsburgh, so hands off Miss Becca.
Yeah, you can have him. He’s definitely not the 2C we want and we are stocked on the wings. Good luck to him, I hope he gets his career back on track but he’s not a good fit here.
I waited all year for this?
Probably not…I just didn’t want him going to Pittsburgh because I really like him. Selfish reasons are okay, right?
(I’d be the worst GM EVER.)
Especially at this point in NHL history, I don’t think drafting late in the first round is an excuse. Every year there are high quality players picked in the 20s. That’s another reason I don’t like the “trade up” option. There are players to be had, you just have to be diligent about finding them. If GMGM can hit on the first round and 50% of his 2nd/3rd round picks that would leave us sitting pretty. It’s a big if.
I waited all year for this?
That’s a good point. There’s a reason there are so many rounds – the idea is that talent can come from anywhere.
If GMGM can hit on the first round and 50% of his 2nd/3rd round picks that would leave us sitting pretty. It’s a big if.
Throw in a smattering of late round diamonds in the rough, too, no? Stefan Della Rovere springs to mind…
Yeah, late round picks that work are awesome, but I wouldn’t rely on that (not even if I was DET). I would also point to MP as a late round gem before SDR. GMGM hasn’t shown a great eye in the second round, though grabbing Eakin and Holtby in the 3/4 certainly helps mitigate that.
I waited all year for this?
NHL Network has been running the drafts of the past few years this week. I happened to turn on the TV and caught a little of the 2008 draft this morning, so I made it a point to catch the Carlson selection. TSN guys liked the pick (it was right about where they ranked him, the way I heard it), but called him a “project”. To me, a project says he doesn’t hit the NHL for at least a few years. I don’t think a year and a half is a project, is it? Nice work, GMGM and Hunter.
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Johnson/Jeffrey/Letestu/Lovejoy are on the Andrew Gordon level, IMO. If we were relying on Andrew Gordon level prospects, I’d be nervous. I do like Carl Sneep, and trust BC almost implicitly when it comes to developing hockey players, which is why I said you’re marginally better on D. Depres is a good prospect but I just don’t like your depth. You’re right that you guys are loaded on the NHL level now, but I don’t see a lot of quality prospects on the way.
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by ThePeerless on Jun 24, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I know this is “Caps Clips”, but nothing today on “Buf” going to division rival Atlanta, and in light of that fact, a very low probability of acquiring Pat Sharp from the Hawks???
Nope – but feel free to chat about it here and throw in any links you can find, as always.
Atlanta just got a whole bunch nastier with that trade. Not that they were the most pleasant team to play beforehand, either, but it should make for 6 pretty interesting games.
And sadly Sharp was probably off the table before this trade was even made, per Pierre LeBrun…although I do think for a team that’s still scraping the salary cap with many guys left to sign, they should be careful saying anyone’s off-limits.
Oh, they’re not done. They still have only 13 players under contract, only three of them defensemen, and their only goalie on it is C. Huet (they still have to sign Niemi). With less than $6M in cap space left, I’m thinking Kris Versteeg has a big ol’ bullseye painted on his jersey.
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by ThePeerless on Jun 24, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I always thought Kris Versteeg would make an excellent center.
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"Ovechkin, what is good in life?"
"To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their captain."
by Wheeler on Jun 24, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like a lot of teams in the East have been active. Boston, Philly and Atlanta already. With Sharp off the table, what do we do now? Go after Saku Koivu? Patrice Bergeron?
Do you think we can realistically get him? The question I guess is Boston’s willingness to move him and our ability to unload Semin. Right?
Pretty much, but BOS has too many Cs right now, especially if they end up with Seguin. They’ll need to move pieces around to address other needs or have guys playing out of position, which I don’t think is conducive.
I waited all year for this?
They have a ton of Cs, true, but I’m not sure they’d trade Bergeron – not yet, at least. The leading scorer on a team that scores about 0.3 goals per game is probably valuable.
Just looked at Boston’s stats btw, and how crazy is this – Bergeron and Krejci were tied with 52 points each to lead the team; we had 5 guys who topped that, including 2 that almost doubled it. Ridiculous.
Savard I bet would have had 70 or more with a full season, but yeah, their offense was bad.
I think Boston will end up keeping everyone. There aren’t very many mid-tier goal scoring FAs out there, they just got Horton, and could easily put Seguin at wing early on a la Backstrom.
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by red army line on Jun 24, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about Savard – but yeah, even he was on a 20 goal pace. Ridiculous.
I pick on Tim Thomas a lot but I can’t imagine the pressure he must have felt last year. Imagine going into a game knowing you’ve basically got to allow no more than one goal to give your team a chance. It’s not like here, where any of our goalies could give up 2-3 goals and we knew the team could bail him out.
Whether they would or not is another issue, but at least the ability was there.
Imagine going into a game knowing you’ve basically got to allow no more than one goal to give your team a chance.
So I’m imagining that I’m Tomas Vokoun… now what?
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by Wheeler on Jun 24, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More like Tim Thomas, Tuukka Rask, or Ilya Bryzgalov.
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by red army line on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think putting Seguin on the wing is a bad idea, like it was for Backstrom. Dude is a center. Either let him get better in the OHL (not like he has anything to learn) or make room for him to play his own position in the NHL.
I waited all year for this?
I see lots of young centers have trouble in the NHL initially, so I could see that and maybe ship away Bergeron at the deadline. I can’t see a season or part of it at wing being detrimental to his development.
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by red army line on Jun 24, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I read word on Twitter just today that the B’s were shopping Savard. Forget from who, but I believe it was a Canadian media type, definitely someone respectable.
I don’t think it’s wise to move a C to W except in very exceptional cases (unless you are trying to permanently move him to W). It just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Yes, the NHL transition is hard. I don’t see how changing the player’s entire game, and giving him a new position, is going to make that transition easier. Seguin has trained to be a C his whole life, and is an elite prospect and future NHL C. Playing him on W is going to slow his development more than help. Can you honestly say playing Baxter at W did anything to help him (or the team)? I think that was one of the biggest mistakes Hanlon made.
I waited all year for this?
Boston isn’t moving Bergeron, I don’t think, short of a miracle. He’s really underrated. I’d keep him over Savard, for sure.
Now – Boston needs wingers, and Washington needs a Bergeron. Take that for what you will.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they locked up Savard and not Bergeron, so that tells you what they think about the respective players.
I waited all year for this?
Which would be misplaced, in my opinion. Which is why I’m not an NHL GM, I guess.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because an NHL GM disagrees with you doesn’t make them right and you wrong.
I waited all year for this?
Obviously, just saying. Especially Chiarelli.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not necessarily that cut and dry, though. Savard was going to be a UFA this year, if i’m not mistaken, and they signed him to an extension right before that happened.
Bergeron got his own 5-year contract extension that finishes up this year – I wouldn’t be surprised to see them lock him up at some point, too.
Someone at CBC or TSN just tweeted Savard is being shopped, hard.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Hmm…I’m not seeing it but I might not be following everyone. It’d be a surprise to me if they were, though, since all other things aside he’s got an NMC.
I see it now – Kypreos, that rumor-monger. Spezza I buy, since…duh. But Savard? Not sure about that one, I guess we’ll have to see.
Good luck moving that contract. It’s not a terrible cap hit but it lasts forever. Nice job, BOS.
I waited all year for this?
It’s actually a great cap hit for a team that needs help on the PP and a legit playmaking center. $4 million a season isn’t bad, at all, for the numbers Savard can put up.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think staying healthy will be Savard’s issue. When healthy, that’s a great contract for his numbers I’d say. Plus he’s pretty good in his own end to boot.
I always thought he looked lost in his own end, but I could be wrong on that. What I do know is that he’s an outrageously good passer, one of the very best in the league.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I’d call it great, but that’s semantic. He’s more valuable than the cap hit right now but won’t be by the end of the deal and it still remains to be seen how his dome is going to hold up.
I waited all year for this?
Pretty much – that was a hell of a concussion.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well what is Boston’s cap situation? And wouldn’t they probably wait til mid season to move a center before calling up seguin, or is he really that good?
by CarltonBanks on Jun 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Either Seguin is in the NHL or back in the OHL for almost the entire season (up till a certain point they can send him back to the OHL, I think, like STL with Pietrangelo). If his playoffs finish before Boston or Providence (baby Bruins I think) then he can play in the AHL.
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by red army line on Jun 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone have a video to Theodore’s acceptance speech for the Masterton? All I can find are post award interviews.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 24, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks for the link. I cried a little last night watching Jose during the ceremony. Cried a little again just now watching his speech again. I can’t even imagine the pain, but how impressive it was to see how he dealt with it. Best of luck to you Jose in the future.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jun 24, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I teared up too. I know it’s time for him to move on but I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Theo.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 24, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I shed a few years as well. Couldn’t help it. Your heart goes out to the guy.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 24, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
so… Semin is the 6th best LW and Ovy’s the 9th best RW and Semin always plays RW, which he’s 10th best at and Ovy always plays LW which he’s the best at and who says we’re stacked on wingers?
by Sjomin on Jun 24, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah I had the same question about Semin and the left wing/right wing thing. Then I went to the caps website and saw that he was listed as LW, but maybe that doesn’t mean much because Laich is listed as center. Then my head hurt and I gave up understanding.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jun 24, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
So lets play.. how many times can a person get cut off during an award show.
- First there was cutting off Ovie right after talking emotionally about his late brother.. epic fail
- Then when the announcer said “and now jeremy roenick and eddit olchyk” they cut to a commercial
- The straight up cut off Ryan Miller in mid sentence so they could cut to an award outdoors.
- The didn’t cut off duncan keith but they sure gave him the “wrap it up” music quickly.
Did I miss anything?
What’s awesome is that they were all cut off early so Versus could show the movie “Wildcats” immediately after. Wildcats? Really?
by JimCareyFanClub on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes Sedin clearly would of talked for a bit longer if they would of let him. Seems kinda odd to cut off the MVP. Good for Ovie sticking around to finish his speech so he could thank the organization.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jun 24, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It was hilarious to see him keep talking as the mic cut off – and then to cut to that guy from the Daily Line and see him in the background, STILL TALKING. I don’t know if he knew, either, but dammit he was not leaving the stage until he was done.
I almost thought it was funny until I remembered that Ovie was actually looking like he was about to cry
He was saying that the trophy was for his brother, admitted to everyone that he died and did the kiss the sky thing .. he was kind of chocked up and then as he started to talk again, they cut him off.
Lame
Poorly planned and produced awards show.
Sad. Didn’t even notice, although I do remember the shoutout to his late brother.
Good thoughts on that from our pals at SB Nation DC, too, by the way – he’s just such a good kid. It’s why it drives me crazy when fans of other teams go after his personality, calling him names or just referring to him as arrogant in any way. He’s more grounded than any superstar I’ve ever seen outside of DC, that’s for sure.
It’s why I don’t pick on Sid that way, either. He’s not my cup of tea and his interviews are stiflingly boring (generally through no fault of his own) but I’m sure he’s a good kid.
Off the ice. On it, I’m fairly certain he kicks babies.
by Becca H on Jun 24, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah. I’ve never made fun of Crosby. But of course I prefer Ovi—skill, heart, charisma, and a wicked sense of humor does it for me. Now he just needs the Cup.
It was a good speech by Ovi—honest and unfiltered as usual.
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by capsyoungguns on Jun 24, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
$6.9 for 4 for Marleau
$4 for 4 for Pavelski
Not bad I guess for SJ….Really needed to keep those guys.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Every contract that’s been signed in the last 3 years sounds about a million too high to me – which probably means that I need to adjust my expectations and that those contracts are right on the money…
Nah…you’re just fiscally responible.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 24, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that deal for Pavelski, but 6.9 seems a little high for a guy who’s on the wrong side of 30 and predicates his game on speed and skating. Patty is a great player, but I’m not sure he’s worth 6.9 much longer.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, but he’s been getting better pretty consistently for years. He has such a great natural skating stride that I don’t think he’ll necessarily decline so quickly.
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Plus it’s only a 4 year deal, right? I mean, we can say he’s “on the wrong side of 30” but he’s barely that, he’ll be 31 in September. I think it’s a good deal for the Sharks – especially since Marleau has been part of that team his entire career. Just from talking to the few Sharks fans I know the fans would have been really upset if he left.
I agree. I have no problem with that deal. I thought they’d make it longer and try to turn it into a retirement contract. I don’t really see why they didn’t. Does this contract take him through 35 or not? That’s a big issue.
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Oooh, good question. What’s the effective date for the age 35 rule? He’ll turn 31 this September, per Becca, so that would mean he’ll be 35 the September after his current contract expires.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The effective date for the 35 rule is the date the contract goes into effect. So it will be July 1 for the current extension, and July 1 or the signing date of his next contract, whichever is later. So he still potentially has one more contract at less than 35. That allows SJS to really go crazy with the retirement shenanigans if they want to, and if the CBA doesn’t close the loophole.
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4 years is an awfully long time to have a player locked up at that salary when they’re over 30. I know injury rates go up and production drops off pretty steeply when they hit the wall. That said, different players hit the wall at different points in their careers, Marleau could skate effectively well into his late 30s, but I view this contract as a risk.
I also wonder what it means for Joe Thornton going forward – he’s a UFA next season and they’re paying 3 centers $4 million or more. They can do that if they cheap out on the goalies and continue to get solid production from their RFA wings, but it’s still a pretty big commitment to keep up.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Thornton is a very interesting player to watch. If he fails to step up his game yet again in the playoffs, how do they re-up him for what he’ll cost? He’s a huge part of the team and what makes them so good, but can he really justify his market value when they have so many other needs and hasn’t put them on his back ever?
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The problem with that is Thornton has consistently shown to be a great regular-season player, and GMs will regularly reward that over playoff success.
And he’s scored 65 points in 91 playoff games. That’s not terrible.
It’s also not even close to his regular season production. 65 in 91 is decent 2C production, not decent production for a guy who’s presumptively one of the five best centers in the league and possibly its best playmaker.
For a guy with Thornton’s talent, I think you could argue that it is terrible.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t go that far. Pavel Datsyuk has 76 points in 110 games (close to the same PPG as Thornton) and it just took him one or two good playoff seasons to have people forget how mediocre he’s been.
And he was routinely killed for it before DET won the 2008 Cup. And while I think the Dats is the better overall player, Joe is clearly the better offensive player – those stats look much worse on a guy that brings more offense to the table as a proportion of his total contribution.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least Datsyuk has had 4 good playoff years, so it’s not exactly a negligible difference. And I think people do remember how bad he was early in his career, and he was definitely roundly criticized for it. But really, the big difference is that Datsyuk did it, Joe hasn’t. When Joe strings together 4 playoff years worthy of an elite C, then people will get off his back, and he’ll probably have a Cup.
And before you get too deep in statistical comparison, remember that Datsyuk is a far better defensive player and has been shutting down key opposition while he’s been putting up his offensive numbers.
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And it doesn’t tell the whole picture. He isn’t just not getting the points, he’s being shutdown and not taking his game to another gear. He regularly looks like he’s playing with less intensity and hasn’t shown the willingness to play with more aggression (taking the puck to the net, forcing the play instead of staying on the perimeter). It’s not a coincidence that his points are dropping, and it’s not just selection bias based on better competition. What’s worse, he has had individual games or moments where he has shown the intensity, when he seems fired up. But all too often, he’s Regular Joe, when they need Playoff Joe.
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they’re paying 3 centers $4 million or more. They can do that if they cheap out on the goalies and continue to get solid production from their RFA wings
’Round these parts we call that there “the Flyers model”…
Why would you give them the credit for that? I’d rather call it the DET model or CHI model and not give PHI any credit.
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That first part sounds like PIT too, until you get to goalies and RFA wings.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
How many watches has Alex gotten this year?
From the NHLPA press release:
In recognition of being named the 2009-10 Ted Lindsay Award winner, Ovechkin was presented with an elegant men’s watch from Breitling.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
My guess is Philly is trying to keep Coburn AND Hamhuis, and its not going to work.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ew.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Not ew. NOT EW. I’d take Coburn in a heartbeat – he needs to finally play for a not-evil team so I’m free to like him the way I always have. Secretly.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he’s seen the light and knows that Philly is not the place for him!!!
But seriously, I KNEW IT. I knew there would be problems. Everyone just assumed Hamhuis would sign right away and that him not having a contract would just be a technicality, but I had a feeling this would happen!
Granted, he could still sign w/ Philly between now and the 1st. Not saying he won’t. But the guy could be the best d-man on the open market and Philly’s tight to the cap – wouldn’t blame him one bit for seeing what else he could get.
He also really wants to play in Canada. And he’s from BC.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They always were. I predicted them from the start, and still do, sort of. They need a player just like him, he wants to go play at home. I betcha he’d sign for less there.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though Vancouver currently has only 11.9 in Cap space. They currently have 9 forwards and 6 D and two goal tenders under contract. Hence, they need at least 3 more forwards under contract to get to a day’s lineup. And then they should have one additional forward and one additional defenseman.
If they sign Hammer for, say 4 Mill, would there be room for them to meet their other needs?
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They’re probably going to bring up Cody Hodgson on his ELC (I don’t remember cap hit off the top of my head). And I think there are possibilities for other prospects. And the really need to round out the lower lines, so even with Hamhuis at $4, they could do it. Especially if they trade some extra pieces.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 25, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm. Puck Daddy has his story up about Marleau/Pavelski. He makes a good point – Belanger’s pricetag just went up due to scarcity at center. Ka-ching!
I wonder how many teams are looking for a 1C, how many for a 2C, etc. It would seem that the guys left are 2nd-3rd line centers – which is fine for our purposes, the pool is plenty full and if all else fails we’ve got guys who can (sort of) fill that role.
It’s the teams looking for a 1C that are in trouble. Marleau was pretty much it, although if Spezza is available via trade he’s a viable 1C. Apparently. Sometimes.
HA! Um, never mind, reading fail. I definitely thought it was $7.6 million per year, not $7.6M…per TSN. Because come on, THAT would be an overpayment. $3.8 mil/year’s not too bad, though.
Of course it’s also potentially a nice comparable for what Laich could be looking for next summer, no? 20+ goal-scorer, plays on the power play, comparable minutes…I’m not great at finding comp players but that sounds about right to me.
Yeah, 7.6 would be brutal but I don’t have a huge problem with 3.8. Especially for only two years; it’s a good tester contract for PHX and Wolski.
The numbers may be comparable, but the styles aren’t. Wolski is the guy you build a line around; a guy that creates offense on his own. Laich is a very nice complimentary player, but I wouldn’t build a scoring line around him.
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Got it. I admittedly don’t know much about Wolski’s game – I really need to catch more Avs/Yotes games (and other Western teams) next season, it’d be easier to make this kind of argument. But from the way you describe it I guess they wouldn’t really be comparable.
Wolski is very good, when he’s healthy. I’m putting him closer to Semin than Flash, but that’s a pretty wide gap.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a wide gap. I was more pointing that he’s a finesse guy who is capable of individually creating offense. When he’s not scoring, he doesn’t bring a whole lot more.
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And isn’t the most robust player in history. They seem like pretty good comparables.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
’tis the season for overpayment.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Fa-la-la-la-Backstrom, la-la la la…
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by red army line on Jun 24, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a discussion on BSB about the Caps having the need, space, and assets to offer sheet Marc Staal should it get to July without a contract. Link
I don’t normally go over there, but I’m so bored without school and want some discussion.
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I’d love Staal but I don’t see how NYR lets him go. It would be a terrible idea.
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Haha. My primary interest if for the Caps to win. I think the Staals are overrated and overhyped, especially Eric, but they aren’t objectively bad hockey players. I also find Marc to be the least objectionable, by far.
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Individual Staals not named Eric are easier to take than the full complement of Sod People. Marc would be a good, moderately priced addition to the Caps, but the Rangers’ defense is so lacking in… oomph, for lack of a better word, without him to the point that I can’t see them letting go of him in the near future. (But really, I’m not a good person to ask about this — were I a GM, my team would be filled with Swedes and they’d get daily practices throwing shade and absurdist quips.)
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by alex_k on Jun 24, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Rags D is a problem, but it’s because of the high priced FA guys they have. They actually have quite a few young D prospects that are ready or will soon be ready to step in with important minutes.
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Good to know. I knew the Rangers were drowning in all kinds of messy FA contracts, but haven’t paid much attention to their depth re prospects, to be honest. How close to NHL-ready are they?
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Well MDZ was in the NHL all year last year. Gilroy spent most of the year in the NHL. Sanguinetti has been >this close< for a couple training camps now but they keep bringing in other D ahead of him. He’s been decent in the AHL. Then they have McDonagh (formerly a top Habs prospect) and I’m not sure whether he is NHL ready but he just graduated from U-Wisconsin so I expect him to at least fight for a spot at training camp, depending on how many open spots they have.
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I’m not sure what NYR’s thoughts are on Girardi, but I know they should at least have one open spot, if you include Gilroy and DZ already on the roster. And Rozcival should be UFA soon right? in one or two years?
Overall their prospect pool is very very strong, per Hockey’s Future.
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by red army line on Jun 25, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I just finished reading all the comments on both the Schultz and Semin Rink Wraps.
I need to find something to mop up the brain that is leaking out of my ears.
Yeesh.
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Yeah, there was some serious weirdness in both sections. I still want to know the whos and the whys of the ballot stuffing for ShaMo and Semin.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Cullen has the Caps taking Kabanov
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There are better Russians in this draft methinks, especially if we’re thinking LW. I’m not feeling his picks too much. Doubt Burmistrov and Tarasenko are going so high.
Burmistrov was pretty much a stud playing on Delly’s team this year. I was kinda hoping no one else would notice. LOL.
Actually, I’d be stunned if Tarasenko fell that far, especially if he fell further down than Burmistrov. I’d also be thinking really hard about what it would take to move up and nab him – he’s a very, very talented player.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny how no one ever thinks Russians might want to play in Pittsburgh. What, I guess Malkin isn’t a fun guy to play with? (Not counting Gonchar here, seeing as he might not be a Penguin much longer.)
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by gfcaps fan on Jun 24, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Such is the draw of Ovechkin. Detroit never gets that, either, despite having a pretty decent history w/ Russians AND one of the best players in the League in Datsyuk.
Also, he has the Bolts taking Campbell at the 6th spot? With Yzerman as the GM? Not bloody likely if he hews to the DET model at all. I see any of the next five players listed after that pick as far more likely for Stevie.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Better to pick him at 11 than 6, but better still to not draft a goalie in the first round.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not buying it. Even PHX/DAL/CHI could all use more help than a G in the first round. Campbell isn’t anywhere near close to a lock for me to take him that early. Then again, MAF stunk his way to a WJC medal (and not even gold!) and still turned out to be pretty good, so I guess Campbell may not be the worst.
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Pretty good is pretty charitable – MAF is a somewhat above average goalie who’s had one good playoff run. Behindthenet pointed it out, but you can’t tell me that the Pens wouldn’t be a lot scarier with Eric Staal at wing next to Crosby and league average ’tending rather than the current cast of characters.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not getting into all that, but suffice it to say I was being sarcastically charitable with MAF. My position on him and Cam Ward is well known. But no, I don’t think PIT would be better off having to pay E. Staal and trying to keep the team together.
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For one thing, they’re not paying MAF and the difference goes to E Staal, who’s going to clock in at a lot less than his current K playing with the Pens and I bet Malkin does as well. So yeah, I think Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Staal is a better core than Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Fleury and I think the Pens increase their shot at another Cup pretty substantially.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. Who knows what they have in net and the discounts to Staal and Malkin are highly speculative. Staal, if he clicks with Crosby or Malkin, would put up pretty monstrous numbers, you would think. How much of a discount is he really going to take? He’s going to make over 2 million more than MAF makes even if he doesn’t get that franchise player bump CAR gave him. That would be a beast of a F corps, but that extra ~2 million Staal makes over MAF makes it impossible to have any sort of quality around them.
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