Dino Ciccarelli Elected to Hockey Hall of Fame
by J.P. on Jun 22, 2010 3:42 PM EDT
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Dino Ciccarelli, Cammi Granato and Angela James are the Class of 2010 for the Hockey Hall of Fame in the player category. In the Builder Category, Jimmy Devellano and the late Daryl "Doc" Seaman was elected. The vote took place Tuesday at the annual meeting of the Selection Committee in Toronto.
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A native of Sarnia, Ontario, Dino Ciccarelli played four seasons for the London Knights setting a team record for goals with 72 in 1977-78. An undrafted free agent, he made his debut with the Minnesota North Stars in 1980-81, played nine seasons with the Stars, leading the team in scoring five times. Overall, he played 19 NHL seasons with five teams recording 608 goals and 592 assists in 1,232 games played.
"This is a tremendous honor that I will cherish for the rest of my life," Ciccarelli said. "I really appreciate the support of my coaches, the fans and mostly importantly my family throughout my 19 year career."
In 223 regular season games as a Cap, Ciccarelli scored 112 goals and sits fourth in team history in goals-per-game.
More later, but for now, a hearty congrats to a fantastic former Cap.
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I guess now we know how long it takes to overcome pleading guilty to indecent exposure and spending a few hours in jail for hitting another player over the head with a stick.
Long overdue.
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Love this quote from the first link I just added:
“It’s just a matter of getting the puck on the net and getting traffic in front of the goalies. I don’t know why more teams don’t do it. I still believe 90% of the goals scored are ugly goals, 10% are pretty goals. You won’t find many of mine on the highlight films,” explains Ciccarelli.
Bet he could still get it done, too.
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No offense to Dino, Cammi, or Angela
But I can think of at least three players who deserved this honor ahead of them.
The HHOF really blew it.
Not sure I completely agree (especially on Angela and Cammi), but they really need to start making these HHOF induction classes bigger. It should have been done once a good percentage of the retired players had played most of their career in the expansion era.
Obviously not saying let everyone in, but there are guys who will have to wait decades to get their shot.
I'm on board with that
The pool of candidates is going to be larger when you start including female hockey players in it. And they ought to be in the pool.
It just doesn’t seem right that Granato and James keep guys like Gilmour, Nieuwendyk, Oates, and Burns out.
by Brandon Bibb on Jun 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Per the new rules, voters may induct up to four male players and two female players each year. So electing Granato and James did not, by itself, keep those guys out.
by Stephen Pepper on Jun 22, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed…of course your second sentence made me laugh, because if you think about it, guys like the ones you mentioned have been inducted over deserving women for years now ;)
But yes. Make the classes bigger – in fact I’d say that an 8-person class sounds about right considering the League has doubled in the last 30 years, no?
Cammi won Gold and Silver at the Olympics, and won gold or silver at World Championships 9 times. James won gold at World Championships 4 times. These two are the Gretzky and Lemieux of women’s ice hockey.
It wasn’t going to be a boys’ club forever.
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by iwearstripes on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They need to increase the number of players going in per year… there are more players playing at an elite level now than there were even 20 years ago. I’m not saying they should induct 10 players a year, but 5 would be appropriate.
Oates is the best player eligible for the Hall who is not in. He still is after this election.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Just another example of political correctness run a muck. Let’s go easy on the Gretzky/Lemieux comparisons though, they didn’t exactly grow the sport of women’s hockey to the point of it becoming at least quasi-relevant.
I’m ok with the men’s selection. All sports, all HOF are becoming more the Hall of Very Good. Dino was a dominant player for 3 teams over a significant period of time.
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by macvechkin on Jun 22, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they didn’t exactly grow the sport of women’s hockey to the point of it becoming at least quasi-relevant
Women’s sports are a long way off from gaining any sort of foothold comparable to men’s leagues – around the world, not just in North America – but that’s hardly their fault. They might not have been able to put women’s hockey at the level of the NHL, but they did give it exposure and a face. They became superstars of women’s hockey when most of the world probably didn’t even know women’s hockey existed.
There’s a whole generation of girls growing up having seen them play, girls who are now starting to play hockey themselves – that’s huge. How can you say that’s not on the level of Gretzky or Lemieux? It has nothing to do with “political correctness run amuck”, it’s the truth – well-deserved honor for both of them.
by Becca H on Jun 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
you said it way better than I was trying to put it.
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by CapitalCentre on Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say that’s not on the level of Gretzky or Lemieux?
Come on Becca, I know I’m an asshole and I do a fine job of making myself looking like an asshole. You don’t need to throw out bait like that. It’s not even close. Just because they are the two most important female hockey players doesn’t mean they jump to the “Gretzky/Lemieux” category. Ignoring for a second that they aren’t anywhere near as good as those guys, let’s look at the fact that while they racked up all those titles, they really only had one competitor. Women’s hockey is still USA and Canada. Anyone else even challenging those teams is considered a huge upset. So for the entirety of their careers, Granato and James were pretty much guaranteed to be playing for Gold. They should have bookcases filled with Gold and Silver.
I don’t begrudge them the HoF; that’s fine with me. What I am bristling against is your claim that men have been keeping deserving women out for years, and that it’s anywhere near accurate to put these women on the Gretzky/Lemieux level. Are you ready to start putting Lisa Leslie on Michael Jordan’s level? How about the best woman’s softball player and Babe Ruth? I’m all for the enthusiasm, but let’s temper the rhetoric and hyperbole.
I waited all year for this?
What I am bristling against is your claim that men have been keeping deserving women out for years
If Shirley Cameron were a man, she would probably have been voted into the Hall 10 or 15 years ago. Other possibilities include Hilda Ranscombe, Bobbi Rosenfeld, Erin Whitten, and maybe the entire Preston Rivulettes team.
Obviously there aren’t going to be as many great female hockey players as male, but I would agree that deserving women have been overlooked for quite a while.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 22, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t memorized the HHOF classes of the past several years. But every year there are discussions of who got snubbed — and hardly ever does someone say who they’d remove to make a place for favorite omitted player.
Also, please note that I kept Manon Rheaume out of the argument. You’re welcome.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 22, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha. You kept Rheaume out for your own sake. There are always omitted player discussions, but thats based around a much more manageable understanding. Should Oates be in? Well, we can look at the numbers that other similar players put up and the other people in that class. But how are you going to judge Cammi Granato against Adam Oates? They can’t even be the same category. Cammi Granato was more influential to the growth of women’s hockey than Oates was to men’s hockey. After that, what exactly are you comparing? Numbers don’t mean a thing. “Fame,” if that is still a prerequisite, is overwhelmingly in Oates’ favor. I just don’t see how you even compare them.
I waited all year for this?
Ha. You kept Rheaume out for your own sake.
Yeah, of course.
But how are you going to judge Cammi Granato against Adam Oates?
Well, I don’t think that’s what we’re asking for (see below).
And I’m honestly sorry the thread went off in this direction, because I certainly loved Dino (I have his and Pivonka’s autographs on a Caps shirt from when I was a teenager) and more former Caps in the Hall is certainly no bad thing.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 22, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t a one or the other issue.
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Read the comment that got me riled up.
What I am bristling against is your claim that men have been keeping deserving women out for years
That’s zero sum. I can buy that women have been overlooked by the selection committee, but it’s only relatively recently that there have been women that merited debate.
I waited all year for this?
Oh, I think I do see the problem now. For me (can’t speak for Becca), “men have been keeping deserving women out for years” refers to the old boys’ network of male hockey minds who never even thought of women as worthy to be mentioned in the same discussions. It does not refer to specific men—great players—whose inductions kept women from being included.
I think the guys got the right answer this time, too: adding a category for women (half as many, right?) instead of trying to judge female hockey leaders on the same criteria as the men.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 22, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
but they did give it exposure and a face
Fact: I lived in DC for my first 16 years, and I knew who Granato was before Bondra (ducks head).
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by red army line on Jun 23, 2010 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Must have read Sports Illustrated For Kids
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 23, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You apparently haven’t seen the numbers on growth of women’s hockey in Canada in the last 2 decades. It’s exploded. I think Gretky & Mario were the wrong comparisons. More like the pioneers in other halls.
Long overdue.
Now that the anti-female bias is being taken care of its time for the anti-North American one to be dealt with.
Have no clue how Burns didn’t get in. You win the Jack Adams with 3 different clubs in the span of 10 years you’ve got to be a HOF coach.
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I think Gretky & Mario were the wrong comparisons. More like the pioneers in other halls.
Well, it’s tricky in this case because it’s hard to be a superstar in women’s hockey over the last two decades and not also be considered something of a pioneer. In terms of their contributions to the sport in general, yes, they could be considered “pioneers” in other HOFs; in terms of their talent and skill and the accomplishments linked to their names, they are the Gretzky and Lemieux of women’s hockey, no question.
Hayley will fall under that category once she retires, too (and if she’s not a first ballot HOFer when that day comes, I’m leading a march on Toronto).
Neither is going to go down in history as true prolific scorers in their sport. I guarantee you 100 years from now they will be looked at as pioneers, not scoring superstars. I’d put Wickenheiser in that category before either of those two. And I’m with you, she had damn well better be a 1st ballot HOFer.
We obviously agree on their induction, I’m just saying that the analogy doesn’t fit in my mind.
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I don’t know, Angela James was pretty prolific in her time – and you have to remember, the pool of female hockey players was a lot more shallow when she played. And Cammi’s won everything under the sun,.
In 100 years, sure, maybe pioneers – but only because others have caught up to them and surpassed them since. For their time, though, I’d say the analogy fits.
That will take less time than you may think.
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True. And largely because of what they’ve done for the sport, so I can see your point – I still would make the analogy in terms of when they played, but we can agree to disagree on this ;)
We agree on the main part, they should be in HOF (should have been years ago).
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Women’s hockey stats are tricky to find but I knew Cammi’s numbers were pretty good:
Granato played 54 games [in international competition], scoring 54 goals and 96 points, both all-time records for women’s hockey.
Not trying to over-argue, CP, just thought that was a note worth sharing for those who don’t think she should be in the HHOF at all ;)
The point about calling someone Gretzky or Mario, or like F&B brought up Michael Jordan…is that there have been many, many stars and “greatest ever” players before them. These guys distinguished themselves against the entire lifetime list of players in their sports, which already had long established histories. I agree the proper label is probably more as pioneers than all time greats.
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by Davethecapsfan on Jun 22, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
“Let’s go easy on the Gretzky/Lemieux comparisons though, they didn’t exactly grow the sport of women’s hockey to the point of it becoming at least quasi-relevant.”
Though none around here, many would argue hockey, as a sport is only quasi-relevant.
I don’t disagree that there should be more players inducted to the hall, but their contribution to the sport was hugely significant. These are women who played a leading role in making women’s hockey an Olympic event. I’m not sure what it takes to make a sport quasi-relevant, but that seems like a pretty good start.
Are there many male hockey stars that should be in the hall but aren’t? For sure. But to argue that these two are undeserving is pretty ignorant.
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by iwearstripes on Jun 22, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats, Dino! One of my favorite players ever.
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Same! Partly because he came to Washington right around the time that I was starting to recognize players’ names, and I thought his was funny…but also for hockey reasons ;)
Am I the only one who remembers a t-shirt floating around with Dino from the Flintstones wearing a Caps jersey? I need someone else to verify this or else I’m going to start thinking I dreamed it up and am therefore quite brilliant – I can never seem to find a picture anywhere on the ’net.
Congratulations Dino..
Most impressive on his resume` is the fact that he was involved in a trade with two Hall of Famers (both going the other way, mind you) when he came to the Caps. While it probably wasn’t the worst deal of Poile’s tenure with the Caps, it didn’t help that Dino was traded by Poile for Kevin Miller, who had a very abbreviated career here in DC.
Still wondering why the player with the most assists in hockey who is not in the Hall of Fame didn’t get elected this year: Adam Oates. A shame he was not elected this time…there’s really no excuse for it.
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it didn’t help that Dino was traded by Poile for Kevin Miller
Right, but without that trade we never would have had the proud distinction of every Miller brother pulling on a Caps jersey! Come on, that’s worth it…right?
As soon as the Miller-Ciccarelli trade was made, I wanted Gartner back…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, though—that trade wasn’t made for Kevin Miller—it was to get Reggie Savage more ice time. Heh heh heh,,,
by bilspacecadet on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The sick thing is that the team that benefitted the most from that trade was…. Pittsburgh. The Caps and Pens were both going after Ciccarelli…The Caps landed him (and Bob Rouse) in exchange for two Hall of Famers (Gartner and Larry Murphy). Not one year later, the Northstars decided to let Murphy go along with Peter Taglianetti for Jim Johnson (who ended up with the Caps at one point) and Chris Dahlquist. Basically the Northstars traded one Hall of Famer and solid defenseman, got two Hall of Famers back, then traded one of these Hall of Famers and got nothing in return.
Murphy was one of about 8 Hall of Famers on Pittsburgh’s two early 1990s Stanley Cup teams.
After that Murphy ended up being traded to Toronto for Dimitri Mironov (yet another former Cap)…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Jun 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good for Dino. Congrats to him, Cammi, and Angela.
Really shocked that Joe Nieuwendyk didn’t get in, though.
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Not sure what is out there on Youtube, but the newer and younger Caps fans that hang out here at JR should really take the time to watch some highlights of Dino. He was pleasure to watch, as long as he playing for your team. Outworked the opposition every night and never got the credit for his hands that he should have while he was playing.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 23, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Just can’t stand them. Allergic, and also don’t see the allure of such an independent pet.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 23, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Congrats Dino! So happy for him. My first favorite player (along with Dale Hunter) that got me interested in hockey as a 10 year old. I loved watching Dino scrap, fight and claw his way around the front of the crease. He was also the first time I had to deal with seeing a favorite player traded away. I still remember where I was when my dad read about it in the newspaper. sniff.
I had all but given up on him making it, but the 608 goals finally weren’t going to be denied.
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Quick Hit Thoughts on Dino
How did a guy score 72 goals in a single season of juniors and not get drafted?
Who was the NJ Devil who broke his wrist in the playoffs—my memory fails me.
How many scandals did he end up embroiled in—I remember three: Sweatshirt and no pants in Minnesota, the Luke Richardson stick thing, and the Caps Limo Incident. Any others?
Also: My dad’s favorite player, back in the day.
Finally—yes, we traded two HOFers for Dino/Rouse, but remember, one of those HOFers kept choking in the playoffs to the point here he suggested skating on the fourth line. Poile had to do something.
He broke his leg badly in Juniors, and most NHL teams thought he was done. Minnesota took a chance on him as an undrafted free agent. Just another example of his hard working, never quit attitude.
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