Tuesday Caps Clips
by J.P. on Jun 22, 2010 6:42 AM EDT
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- It sounds like Tomas Fleischmann's agent fancies his client as a $3 million center. The Caps fancy him as a guy who was unplayable at the end of the playoffs. That's what's known as a chasm. [CI]
- The Caps will open the 2010-11 season at Atlanta on October 8 and return home the following night to host the Devils. Plan accordingly (with the rest of the schedule to be released later today). [Blueland Blog]
- Andrew Gordon submits his last file of the season (hopefully not last ever) for RMNB, and it's definitely a must-read. [RMNB, reaction at SB Nation DC]
- Ten UFA centers you'd actually want on your team... including one the Caps still have for another week or so. [Puck Daddy]
- Speaking of centers you'd actually want on your team... nah... but... nah. [All Things Avs]
- And speaking of free agents, Mirtle's ranked his top 100 UFAs. Bravo, Doctor. Bravo. [Globe and Mail]
- Nine goalies who could be on the move come July 1, including Jose Theodore. "Could be?" [NHL]
- Ed on the weeks ahead for the Caps. [Frankovic]
- Wanted: more grit. [OFB]
- The Caps are likely the D.C.'s next title team (though I wonder what the odds on "none of the above" would be if you limited it to, say, 10 years). [Bog]
- Plenty of Hall of Fame chatter surrounding the candidacies of former Caps Dino Ciccarelli and Adam Oates. [Russo's Rants, Hockey or Die, Gross Misconduct Hockey, PHT]
- Get your Caps Awards and Draft guides here (so you can spot the copy & paste members of the media). [Caps Today]
- Plenty of Awards predictions and related whatnot. [Caps365 (brilliant short film), Puck Daddy, THN, Red Line Station, Peerless]
- There are at least a couple of kids with Caps ties in this year's Draft. [Puck Daddy]
- Hey, look - the Caps could draft a guy with 3rd-line center upside in the first round, just like when they picked Boyd Gordon. [USAToday]
- A look at the best and worst #4 picks over the past two decades, book-ended by a pair of Caps. [From The Rink]
- Here's one... for the ladies. [Ladies…]
- I'm not a big Brooks & Dunn guy, but this is pretty cool. [PennLive.com, YouTube, TwitPic]
- If you're into collecting famous frozen water, this is for you. [Bears via OFB]
- Bangin' Panger is now into haberdashery. [The BanginPanger ThreadShop]
- Finally, happy 32nd birthday to Alexei Tezikov.
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With the Caps’ propensity to draft relatives of stars, guess who’s projected to be the 25th pick on Puck Daddy. Dave Christian’s nephew, Brock Nelson.
Link:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Ready-to-feel-old-NHL-legacies-live-on-in-2010-?urn=nhl,250193
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That article is already linked in Clips, just FYI.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
“Brock Nelson” could be one of the most awesome hockey names ever.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
From the Caps Awards guide...
After Washington’s first-round selection (No. 26), the Caps do not pick again until the third round at No. 86. The 60-pick separation is the largest for the Caps since 2003 when Washington selected Eric Fehr 18th overall and then waited 65 picks to take Stephen Werner at No. 83 in the third round.
Other than Fehr, only Stephen Werner and Andrew Joudrey out of that class made it as far as the AHL (there were six picks in that draft, just like this year), and Werner is out of the organization.
If you’re thinking 2010 will be a fountain of Caps prospects, well… better pray the Caps make trades to get more picks.
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Joudrey was also sorta out of the organization – they didn’t qualify him last year, then signed him as a UFA, if I recall correctly.
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Penguins re-sign Matt Cooke to 3 year deal worth $2m/yr. Ick.
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Overpayment, in my opinion. Longer than I thought he would get, more money than I think he’s worth. I bet they regret that contract before it’s over.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. (but not that I mind). Several other options do what he does (maybe better) for less.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s twice what Matt Bradley makes. Does he do twice what Matt Bradley does? I sure don’t think so.
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I guess a guy who can knock out the opposition with a severe concussion without getting a penalty is pretty valuable. (yes, I know in theory that won’t happen next year, but you never know….)
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That’s twice what Matt Bradley makes. Does he do twice what Matt Bradley does? I sure don’t think so.
I saw this way too late so know one will probably see it.
Anyways, Cooke’s contract is pretty similar to the one Chimera has, and I think that’s a better comp; in terms of production and role.
I’m fine with the deal: Cooke’s 1/3 of the best 3rd line in the league, he’s a 1st rotation PK’er for a Top 10 league-wide unit, he hits, he’s very consistent. I’ve been on record as blasting him for the stupid stuff, and he is a going to cross the line too much, but for $1.8, I’m fine with that.
If you offered me Chimera or Cooke right now, I’d take Cooke. Better PK’er. Chimera’s a faster player and perhaps even a more impactful hitter, but I think Cooke’s smarter positionally and overall has a better skillset.
1.8 is better than 2.0 for a player like that, for sure. And for anyone that’s skeptical about whether 200k makes a difference, remember that the Pens are going to spend up to the Cap and that anything banked is multiplied by ~4 at the trade deadline – 800k is pretty huge.
Cooke happens to be on an excellent third line, but that’s as much driven by the emergence of Jordan Staal as any other factors put together. You can plug in another winger with forechecking commitment and that line is going to do just fine – better than fine, as you point out.
1st rotation PKer is a much more meaningful distinction than his role on the third line, in my opinion, but the PK took off with Granato coaching it, no? Wasn’t Cooke also a 1st rotation Pker last season, when the kill wasn’t so hot?
Cooke is definitely a better defensive player than Jason Chimera because of his positioning, but he’s going to put you in the box a lot more, too. That results in goals against and carries opportunity cost in terms of ES chances you could have had if you weren’t killing penaties, as well as tiring out the team. I don’t think I’d take your trade.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 24, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If you didn't see this post by Ice Warrior yesterday...
It’s definitely worth a read today: a potential 1st round pick target for the Caps.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:36 AM EDT reply actions
Definitely a must-read for any draft dorks. She changed my mind about draft preference order (of the Swedes, at least).
I waited all year for this?
As a draft dork I really enjoyed this article.
What can I say I’m a JP fangirl. I will follow him into the darkest and filthiest of alleys, even the comment section at Puck Daddy.
I bet you liked it as a Swede as well. Modo pairs were probably the best sets listed.
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Tack.
I hope they choose him obviously but I don’t think they will. On the plus side for Järnkrok he’s a Swedish center from Gävle on the minus side no bloodline.
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Good point. Last year they took Johansson so it’s only fitting that they take Calle this year.
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by Malin A on Jun 22, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, thank you for taking the time to do this. I’ll pimp the hell out of any first-hand accounts of potential Caps picks.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. I missed that yesterday. High praise.
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim Rutherford: Next Season’s Payroll To Be Between $43 to $45 Million http://sbnation.com/e/1293639
Wonder if the ’Canes are gonna win the Division again this year, what with the Caps being primed for a fall and all.
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…that’s not cocky, that’s a process of elimination. The Southeast isn’t very good. It’ll be better, but Washington’s the only team with division-winning capability.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
As currently constructed, I agree with you, but (1) teams aren’t done signing and trading, and (2) that’s why they play the games.
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And (3) Steve Yzerman
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I know everyone loves Yzerman, but seriously, what are his credentials as a GM other than putting out the name tags for the most stacked Olympic hockey team in history. I could have picked that team and won the Gold. Maybe he’ll live up to his reputation, but now he’s got to wak the walk without his big brother Jimmy D. telling him what to do. As we’ve seen with Wayne Gretzky, stardom on the ice doesn’t always translate to success in management.
by b.orr4 on Jun 22, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what are his credentials as a GM
Women want him and men want to be him?
In seriousness, I listed him because he’s a wildcard. Carolina has basically no path to success. I don’t see any path for success for Atlanta, either. The Panthers are intriguing because they have such a good young core — with better luck (especially with injuries) they might compete for the Division. But Tampa already has the most talent of the bunch, other than the Caps, and Yzerman himself is a potential draw for free agents. Tampa is realistically the only team I see with any chance of knocking the Caps off the SE Division throne.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Stevie Y is a draw for free agents and the Bolts present the only real competition to the Caps in the SE. My beef is really with the Canadian media which has been falling all over themselves praising Yzerman as if he were the second coming of Bill Torres.
Its his aura of awesomeness, combined with Ken Holland’s dandruff, which has been known to cure most infectious Third World Diseases, cause ponies to sparkle, and even stop the BP Oil Leak
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
My feeling on the Bolts is that they underperformed hugely last year. At the beginning of the year, they had two really good scoring lines (between Downie-Stamkos-St. Louis and Tanguay-Lecavalier-Malone), a good powerplay (8th in the league in terms of success rate), and had improved significantly on defense (with the addition of Matthias Ohlund and Victor Hedman).
What I forgot is this: their bottom six is terrible, Ohlund was never that great, Hedman’s still a work in progress, and they still have no defense or goaltending.
It’ll be interesting to see what Yzerman does at the draft. Someone like Ryan Johansen could be good for his team (a good two-way center with size, and TSN and a number of others have him going at 6) or if they pick up another young defenseman to help bolster their blue line.
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Considering their goaltending at this point is the Mike Smith/Antero Nittymakki puu puu platter (and Nittymakki is a free agent), it really wouldn’t shock me if they went and signed a guy like Jose Theodore.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I would just like to note that this woman never particularly wanted Steve Yzerman.
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He doesn’t have much, agreed, but he did stay around in one of the if not the best run organization in hockey, went under tons of pressure and left off some “safer” picks like Stamkos to “make a team” etc. It’s speculation that he will be good, sure, but he did learn (we think) from some of the best.
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see why Stamkos was a “safer” pick. I’d say he was a more of a risk because of his youth. Guys like Staal were “safe” picks because nobody in Canada is going to knock you for adding E. Staal to a team.
I waited all year for this?
I dunno, I guess none was too big of a risk since replacement was always so good, but he left off the freaking Richard winner (who then must have been up there in goals). Maybe this whole “chemistry” thing—>with Stamkos he’d have to, to be safe, add St. Louis, and didn’t want to spend the extra roster spot.
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Stamkos won the Richard by getting hot in the late winter/early spring. He didn’t have all those goals at New Years when the selection happened. His age made him a gamble, and Stevie Y avoided it.
I waited all year for this?
Alright then.
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
More a comment on the ’Canes than the Caps, and a reference to a running joke.
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Given the relationship of Stanley Cup winners to spending as a percentage of the salary cap, that pretty much makes it a betting certainty that they won’t be making the playoffs.
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Would you have bet that Phoenix (or Nashville) wouldn’t have made the playoffs, then?
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Both of those teams have substantially better defenses and were getting more significant contributions from their RFAs/ELCs. The ’Canes farm system, while not completely denuded, is a lot less robust than either of your comparables.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The Yotes have a farm system? You could have fooled me.
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I would have. What losses I might have had would have been more than made up if I’d bet on the Islanders, Columbus, Atlanta, etc.
Of course, I would also have bet on Toronto, because… well, they’re Toronto.
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Actually, being a prognosticator, one could (or at least I could) look up who I actually thought would make the playoffs. Based on the beginning of the year predictions, I had Phoenix (15th) and Nashville (10th) missing out, but Columbus making it (7th). I did not have the Islanders (15th) or Atlanta (10th) making it.
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Interesting. FWIW, I had none of those five qualifying. The Blue Jackets are an extremely difficult team to peg.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew the Jackets were young at forward, but I wasn’t counting on Mason to have a sophomore slump and have his GAA jump by almost a goal a game.
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Not only that, but their defense is below par relative to the teams that qualified for the WC playoffs. Relying on Mike Commodore for a significant role is just a bad idea (at least, it was in the six games I saw).
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
They must be hemorraging cash or something.
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Jun 22, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, their owner has already come out and said he wants someone local to step up and buy half his interest in the team, so the financials can’t be too great.
Needs more Goomba.
I wonder if they try to move the Cam Ward contract at some point during this rebuild, that’s a lot of weight on the cap for a team that’s trying to keep costs down and trying to get into a good drafting position.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No chance. You don’t sign that guy just to move him. They’re obviously high on him and I doubt they think the contract is any worse now than it was a year ago when they signed it.
I waited all year for this?
It looks worse when you have a self-imposed budget as low as they do. When they were spending to the ceiling, you could kind-of, sort-of defend it (not really, but humor me). I think the bigger question is finding someone to take him off their hands for a return that helps them for the future. That, and putting asses in seats so that they can afford to pay the talent they draft near the top of the first round.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you do that? If you are moving a goalie because it’s a bad contract, how are you going to get someone to give you anything close to fair return? You think they can get a franchise type player if they are dumping salary? I don’t.
I’m not sold on Cam Ward, but I could see offering him that contract if you were (after all, he did carry you to a Cup). But if you are not spending to the cap, how on earth can you think that 6+ on a goalie makes sense with a self-imposed budget? He’s not so good that he’s going to win regardless of what’s in front of him, and now how are you going to put a team in front of him?
And their farm is middling at best, so you know they aren’t going to get a ton of ELC reinforcements right away.
I waited all year for this?
I was thinking more along the lines of picks, rather than a roster player for Ward. Possibly you could sell a Conn Smythe goalie at the deadline to a team that needs ’tender help and has some space.
Clearly, they have to retool their team – as currently constituted, it’s not going anywhere and E. Staal isn’t the player Rutherford thought he was. Ward is a slightly-above-average goalie, but definitely not worth his contract. That said, those two, when healthy, are good enough to pull them out of surefire top-3 pick range, which I assume is the goal. Build a couple of solid drafts, get the ELC help they need and then shoot for the moon while Eric is still in his prime.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How often do you see long term contracts move at the deadline? Not very. If Ward moves it’ll be the off-season and you have to bill him as the Conn Smythe winner to a team that is just a goalie away. Too bad for CAR, Niemi and Leighton just fucked that negotiating strategy.
You’re right about those two being able to keep them out of the draft lottery, but I don’t see how that is necessarily a good thing. They need one or two more lottery quality players. For sure, they can still find guys in the teens and (holding back snickers) possibly even the twenties, but it’s just going to be a slower process.
I waited all year for this?
I phrased that unclearly – CAR should be tanking for high picks, which Ward makes less likely. That’s my rationale for moving him; staying out of the high lottery is a bad thing for that franchise for the next couple of years, they desperately need the help.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Rich Evans - Dude, don't you be bogarting that stuff you smokin'...
RE: Fleischmann’s agent Rich Evans’ comments about him – clearly a likely vain attempt to negotiate in the press. Other than that I’ve pretty much made my feelings on the matter clear over at my blog: http://markb2260.blogspot.com/2010/06/hey-tomas-can-i-have-some-of-what-you.html
Personally, I think the words of that Sunday Morning Talking Head John McLaughlin sum it up best though: “BYE, BYE….”
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jun 22, 2010 8:13 AM EDT reply actions
I wonder how many guys at age 26 get moved from wing to center and flourish. I don’t have an answer for that or an example of a successful instance… I’m just wondering.
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I like Flash a lot, but if he hits the RFA market, I’m hoping for no offers or a massive one that the Caps can’t afford to match.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Peerless: I’m not suggesting he should flourish at all. WHat I am say is IMO Flash will never flourish as at Center in the NHL. I don’t hink as some do that he’s a natural center. To me Flash is a sniper/shooter not a playmaker. Also given that most NHL careers are all but over by age 32, and last season wa shis first 20+ goal season (to some degree because of the large amount of playing time he got as well as the situations he was put in, IMO), I feel the Caps could be better without Flash then with him. ….
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jun 22, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions
I agree with that opinion. If Fleischmann or his agent think that his path to success and a big contract is on a route marked “NHL center,” I think they’ll be disappointed. Being unable to recall a situation in which a player of Flesichmann’s age moved to the middle (even if he did play the position somewhere in his past) and was successful, I’m not seeing how this plays out successfully.
He’s been given just about every opportunity imaginable to become an elite offensive player (he will never be a defensive stalwart), and he’s gotten to where he might be a reliable 25-30 goal scorer (if he plays in 75-plus games) and a 60-point scorer (even if he hasn’t hit that mark yet). But his playoff performance has been underwhelming in the extreme, especially in his last dozen games (one goal, two assists). And at this point, it’s all about the playoffs as long as the Caps are in this window — for Fleischmann and for everyone else who has a few seasons under their belts.
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Its really amazing how much time Fleischmann has been given to prove himself. I wonder how he would have been handled by another NHL team? We watch so much of these guys play that we can’t but see their inconsistencies and drawbacks…
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by ns on Jun 22, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
P.S.
$3MM?? do. not. want.
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by ns on Jun 22, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Agents gotta do what agents gotta do.
It’s called marketing. How do you think agents get more clients? People remember this kind of thing — “Wow – that guy thinks he can get Tomas Fleischmann $3 Million. I don’t like my paycheck, maybe I should hire him.” They don’t pay attention to the fact that Flash ain’t going to come close to that salary.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hot air only goes so far, though. Very interested to see the final contract figures for flash, no matter where he ends up.
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by ns on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I keep re-reading that article and I’m missing the 3MM part—am I looking at the wrong link?
by bilspacecadet on Jun 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Every time I watch the video of Bellanger pulling out his teeth, it makes me want him re-signed to the Caps even more.
I like Belanger and I’d be more than happy to have him back. This team needs to get older at the center position, not younger. For my money, if the Caps break training camp with either MP or Johansson as their #3 center, then McPhee hasn’t done his job.
It’s not they need to get older/younger. They just need to get better.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Belanger wants a 3-4 year contract
Agents gotta do what agents gotta do…
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That was actually Belanger’s own words. His agent Joe Tacopina is a little busy right now – prior to his sports agent career, Tacopina was a high-powered defense attorney, and one of his previous cases is in the headlines. He represents Joran van der Sloot for the Aruba portion of his legal woes.
busy couple of weeks for Mr. Tacopina (does anyone else occasionally read it as “Tapioca”?), no? Wonder how that’s affecting negotiations.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 22, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
So pretty much all defense attorneys, and anyone that interacts with them, are suspect?
I waited all year for this?
Of course. Especially if they’re good.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty much.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 22, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Lawyers gotta do what lawyers gotta do
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey!
I resemble that remark.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jun 22, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a rare eye disorder that causes me to miss question marks at the end of sentences. It makes responding to interrogatories a bitch.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jun 22, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
From the Uniwatch blog ticker: Someone’s suing the Caps over the weagle
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jun 22, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The Ravens case was a lot more blatant. While there are certainly similarities between the 2 Caps logos, I think theres enough differences that you could reasonably see how they were created independently
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He also submitted his (unsolicited) drawing over a decade before the redesign and to a team under different ownership. Not sure how much that mitigates the matter.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jun 22, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the guy’s logo:
Funny — I remember the Penguins had ownership problems, but I never knew they were considering a move to DC…
Oh, and by the way, here’s a free tip for all you intellectual property fans out there: if you want to preserve the copyright in something, don’t send unsolicited copies of it out to people.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Good advice. At least in terms of the mail, anything you receive unsolicited, including merchandise, is your property
#NeedsMoreBradley
It’s pretty standard advice to anyone in the entertainment industry (including sports) never ever to use or even acknowledge any unsolicited logos, art, music or text. Even better to send the thing back with a letter saying you can’t accept it. Juries can get the law wrong (I’ve seen it happen) and decide that the artist is entitled to something for his/her effort.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like a black pigeon to me.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
If the Caps used that logo, I’d have been infuriated.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Caps lost the Weagle logo because of some silly lawsuit, I would be infuriated.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
They could just have Jay Beagle change his name to Jay Weagle and try to work it that way
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
While we're on the subject...
Other logos that might have been (and were presumably a lot closer):
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Like the top one….bottom one looks like the Philadelphia Eagles.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Top one looks like a baseball or football logo.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It would look pretty good as a shoulder patch
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Do not like. Besides, perfect shoulder patch (pretty much) is on the current sweater.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t that allegedly a Hilfiger design?
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by ThePeerless on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Given that he’s referring to actions from the 90’s, and given that I’m not a lawyer (I know there are several here), I can’t see that he has a case, unless correspondence was transferred in the sale in ‘99 to Ted’s group. I would think not. If I’m on the jury (and I would get tossed for lots of reasons, not the least of which is being a Caps fan), I’m voting for the defendant.
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As a lawyer, the article doesn’t make it sound like he has much of a case (though of course it’s always hard to tell from an article). Oh, and you’d never make it to the jury. My first voir dire question as the plaintiff’s lawyer would be “have you ever seen a Washington Capitals game,” and anyone who says yes would be booted from the jury.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’s really a Caps fan then where has he been since the most recent design. After three years he’s just now got around to suing….!
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He had to find it!
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I bet he’s a hoarder.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Flash wants $3 mil
hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha takes a breath hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Thanks for pricing yourself out of a Caps uniform next year and making GMGM’s decision that much easier. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.
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by Addison H. on Jun 22, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I love the guy now. Flash…3 isn’t enough. I think you should ask for 5.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s Clutch(ing his leg)!
FTFY
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by Addison H. on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Laugh all you want, there’s teams that’ll pay that much for a guy who can put the puck into the net 20+ times, and Flash can do it. He has talent, and I think used right rather than just thrown out in every possible situation he could flourish, especially under the right system.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Great, let those other teams have him.
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by Addison H. on Jun 22, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haters gonna hate.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
If he could score at the same rate in the postseason and not be a defensive liability then I’d agree with you. However…
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Not even just the postseason, let’s talk about after January. His agent is selling the short off-seasons for him, I’m not buying. It may have some marginal effect, but the bottom line is that I don’t think Flash is the kind of player that knuckles down and gives you what you need in the tough games.
I waited all year for this?
What system could possibly be better for Flash? And how would he be more effective with less talent around him?
I waited all year for this?
Not so much system, but I think if he’s in a situation where the coach doesn’t throw him out regardless of his play, he’s probably going to be a more accountable player, or he becomes a better Alexandre Giroux.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The Caps and 29 other teams want that guy. Unfortunately, the Hawks are one of them, and I don’t think he’s moving. I think they’ll dump Campbell in the minors before they trade Buff.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t see them moving Campbell to the minors. Huet is one thing, but Campbell is entirely different. If they do that they’ll be killing themselves on the FA market for years to come. Then again, that might not matter since they won’t be able to be players on the FA market for years.
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by Rob Parker on Jun 22, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Why, 29 other teams should be lining up offer sheets ready to go on July 1st to poach Flash from the Caps.
(GMGM and the Hershey kids say: Please someone give Flash an offer sheet.)
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Correct me if I am wrong but were there trade rumors early last season on big buff for nylander or did I just dream that up?
by CarltonBanks on Jun 22, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
that would have fallen under the Tallon braintrust, yes?
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by bigonetimer on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
lots of things got him fired.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorta.
Knowledge to be found here.
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Epic clips today JP. Thank you. I don’t think I’ll get any work done all day.
One addition — yesterday’s regular Old Barn Hockey Show was a good one, with the reactions to the Bears’ Championship.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
That youtube clip of Brooks and Dunn is further proof why Hershey is the best small town hockey community in North America.
I think /Hershey/ itself is a great community. I don’t know much about Brooks & Dunn either, but after 20+ years together, this is their farewell tour, and Hershey has apparently always been one of their fave tour dates.
Holtby was busy filming the crowd the whole time. He’s going to have quite the home movie this post-season.
Wanted: more grit. [OFB]
I agree with F&B’s post yesterday about this article. Sorry OFB, but if you think the guy who led all defensemen players in the NHL in +/- ain’t a top 4 defenseman, you’re just watching a different game than I am.
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Maybe we should give F and B a mug for his troubles?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks YLM. Does grabbing the link from the title no longer work? I guess we have to grab from the timestamp now
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I just grabbed it from the timestamp. Your link has everything on there except for the actual “number” of the comment, (40223909)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I note that someone commented there to ask for clarification — I’m not surprised that it hasn’t been answered. I’m actually surprised the comment itself hasn’t been removed.
by CapitalCentre on Jun 22, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably had a link to something about the Penn State Miss Virginia girl.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And, again, at the very least explain something. I think it’s evident that we are watching different games, but I’d like to hear the mechanics of the game they are watching.
Sorta related:
When I floated the idea of the Caps moving Semin, his initial response was "Trade for what? A 5th round pick? He’s a $6 million cap hit then an unrestricted free agent."
Ed’s source is OFB? I mean, seriously. No, Semin won’t bring a Phil Kessel ransom, but he would fetch something valuable. 6 million isn’t a giant overpayment and it’s not a term that would kill a team. If I had a first round pick below number 10 I’d move it for Semin.
I waited all year for this?
especially if there was a team in “win now” mode and wanted a sniper for a run next season
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 22, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Long story with a connecting point
I was out to lunch with my fiance yesterday, and we got into talking about the Caps and I mentioned Morrison and Theodore were probably going to be gone, and she asked why and how come it worked, so I started drawing an organizational depth chart on a napkin, explaining which players were free agents (and crossing out the ones I didn’t think should stay) and pointed out why there was a hole at 2C unless Mackan’s ready to step in immediately.
Anyway, I told her that I’d be completely willing to move Semin if it brought in a real 2C, and then showed her the effect it would have on lines (wrapping Laich + Fehr around a potential acquiree, having Flash on the third with Chimera and Belanger).
Basically, the conclusion I came to was that moving Semin for optimal return (Either a solid 2C or a combination of prospects and picks to our favor) wouldn’t hurt the team in my opinion.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, everyone knows I agree with that. I still wouldn’t want Flash in the picture though. I’d rather give Mackan the ol’ Nick Backstrom wing treatment or let one or more of the Bears fight for that spot.
I waited all year for this?
Yeah, I don’t necessarily disagree, that was just the list I showed her, and I tried to keep more RFAs, but I told her I wouldn’t mind giving him up depending on the situation/return.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you explain to her that everyone hates him except for you and a small but loyal cadre of fans that don’t realize that finesse isn’t enough? Oh, and BB.
I waited all year for this?
Yeah, I told her that, but she replied with “He’s still a Cap, why are people such dicks?” I told her it was the internet, but also they were kind of right.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
F&B- Legitimate source on the Semin trade info. Whether he is accurate or not remains to be seen but he has a good track record of predicting Caps draft picks. He tipped me off on Carlson, Alzner, Varly, and Neuvirth. Said they were all very good picks. Also was the one who was down on Little Gus when Washington took him and so far he has been accurate there too.
by Ed F - WNST on Jun 22, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, Ed. I was just busting balls about your source. I don’t know if you are aware but OFB said (I believe last off-season) that they thought the Caps could get a 5th round pick for Jeff Schultz. I was snarking on that history. I think a 5th is way too low for Semin, as I said. Your source clearly disagrees (and I don’t doubt his knowledge or connections), but I just don’t see 40 goal scorers who can’t fetch more than a 5th round pick. Yeah, Semin has some baggage and his contract isn’t exactly a bargain, but he’d still be the best Wing on the vast majority of NHL teams.
I waited all year for this?
No problem F&B. Was not aware of the OFB Schultz comment from last year. The source has over 20 years of NHL experience but by no means does it make him an expert on trade value, which is clearly valued differently by many teams. He could be correct or he could be way off. Noone really knows what is being offerred for #28 except for GMGM and his staff. Clearly if Semin is going to be moved Caps fans would like to see more come back in return. It will be interesting to see how this week plays out but the NJ and Philly trades this week certainly show that top players aren’t getting what one would normally expect on the open market (see Arnott and Hamhuis deals). It seems like unloading dollars from one’s payroll is becoming a bigger need rather than getting a player or a high draft pick in return. If the Caps unload Semin they now have $6M to play with. Using that to sign a Marleau or some other combination is akin to trading Semin for those players. At least that is the way I see it these days. And finally, as always, thanks for reading my stuff!
I don’t think the Arnott and Hamhuis deals provide much of an indicator of what kind of return Semin might command. Arnott is way past his prime, and Hamhuis is a top 4 defenseman in his prime. Semin, on the other hand, is a 25 year old 40 goal scorer and an elite talent. He’s going to command significantly more than either Hamhuis or Arnott.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jun 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Hamhuis’s return was even less because he’s going to be a UFA. Semin has a year left on his deal.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Jun 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly if Semin is going to be moved Caps fans would like to see more come back in return.
No doubt, but I’d note that getting his $6m off the books might very well be the same as getting more in return in that it would allow the Caps to spend that money in free agency (though they’d have to be very careful how long a commitment they made to any players signed). So while a couple of picks for Semin might not sound great, if it’s a couple of picks and the ability to sign Lombardi and Mitchell (for example), it sounds better.
Also, I’m of the mind that a one-year deal for Semin will actually be attractive to some GMs who are gun-shy about going all-in on Kovalchuk (I mentioned this yesterday). Semin is almost “try it before you buy it,” while someone will be making a big bet that Kovalchuk is Mr. Right for his team.
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Agreed JP. Freed up dollars to sign others is like making a trade for those players. Semin, as I wrote in my blog, could be the difference to some team between making the playoffs and missing it. Making the playoffs brings that club more than $6M in revenue in return so there are some teams that might vaule him more than the low draft pick the scout mentioned. It will be an interesting situation to watch this weekend.
Specifically I’d look at teams like STL and LAK. They both have money and need help on the wings. PHX too, if they can afford the payroll.
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I kinda doubt LA wants another Frolov on their hands, even though Semin is better.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He does. His contract is a little high but he only has 2 years left. I’d like him to be a little better at C but I know he’s been used there pretty regularly.
I waited all year for this?
I liked when Boston traded him to St. Loo and the headlines read like a personal in a NAMBLA pub: “Wideman for Boyes”
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I would point out that Hamhuis wasn’t signed and Arnott is old and breaking down, so there is a little difference. Semin is signed for a decent value and he’s a 40 goal scorer in his prime. But your point remains, the value of lots of players has diminished; that applies both to trade value and contract value. I think a lot of that has to do with the depth in the league. The talent pool is better than it has ever been so it’s easier for GMs to find adequate players without having to give up too much or overpay. The ones that overpaid are now realizing this and trying to dump salary as fast as they can. It’s pretty incredible that we are talking about a player as talented as Brian Campbell being sent to the AHL to hide his cap hit.
And I definitely agree that opening the 6 million Semin is due is an important consideration, but Semin is simply too good to just give away so we can get the cap space. I’m not even Semin’s biggest fan but I think it would be a mistake to give him away. Since last October I’ve advocated getting ~85 cents on the dollar for Semin. I’m not sure GMGM can get that kind of offer, but that’s what I’d like to see in return.
I waited all year for this?
Amazing that we get the volume of comments that we do and yet almost never get something like this:
I hope it’s not Jeff Shultz. He doesn’t even belong in Hershey. Until the Caps stop relying on players (cowards) like Shultz and Flash this team will continue to disappoint come playoff time.
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I’ll chalk that up to the one day waiting period before posting. Usually after that, the people who want to post that have forgotten their train of thought on them.
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No, that comments not from here (which was my point).
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WM was saying that the Rink does not get that kind of comment because the 24-waiting period gives folks a chance to a) cool down and b) get educated and c) become bored and pester someone else’s comments.
Thanks RMNB and A. Gordo
As usual so many great quotes from A. Gordo’s blog. I’m sad this is his last one—but hopefully only for this season.
My favorite and one that should be plastered everywhere when the new season starts:
HISTORY DOESN’T MATTER!!!
Nothing in the past affects you in the present unless you are too mentally weak to separate the two. Just because something happened the year before doesn’t mean it will happen again. Every season brings a different team with a different outlook and a different identity. No playoffs are ever the same.
That’s why I believe the Caps won’t have a repeat of what happened this year….I firmly believe that things happen for a reason. It may be hard to understand at the time, but I bet the Caps getting upset in this year’s playoffs lights a fire in them for years to come.
And finally, tho’ I wish the comment had originated with him, the statement is nevertheless so very apt.
"In sports, one of the hardest things to do is win when you are supposed to."
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
I’m pretty impressed he was actually able to use “too” “to” and “two” in the same sentence.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Should’ve worked Jordin Tootoo in there somehow.
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That, and would have gotten even more bonus points for working in a Jacques-Roger Booh-Booh reference.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
“Jacques-Roger Booh-Booh and Jordin Tootoo once told me that nothing in the past will affect you in the present unless you are too mentally weak to separate the two.”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing in the past affects you in the present unless you are too mentally weak to separate the two, like Jordin Tootoo in a tutu.
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by J.P. on Jun 22, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Needless to say, thats been photoshopped countless times.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay now I choked on my coffee!
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 22, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Et tu?
Nice
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d trade Flash for Tootoo.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d do that trade.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll tell GMGM, you tell GMDP.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Tootoo won’t be traded, ever. :(
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
GMGM says he wants all of your whistles and big ass cake just in case he calls Kyle Wellwood.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Truth.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
wearing a tutu
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by ThePeerless on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
A. Gordo writes two good for us too believe that he to needs an editor.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
by capsyoungguns on Jun 22, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite quote from that article:
I truly believe that– the way we played that game– we could have beaten the Leafs, the Oilers, and (for most of the season) the Hurricanes.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jun 22, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
excellent clips today, a welcome surprise on my first day back in Rink action. I’m ridiculously anxious to begin planning my winter once the schedule come out.
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Less than two hours! Here’s hoping the Preds come to DC. Doubtful since we played there last year, but there’s an off-chance Washington is a wild card for us.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
what, not going to make the trip for pre-season?!
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To see Andrew Gordon and Tyler Sloan, no thanks. ;)
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh. I’d enjoy it but not worth the road trip.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I read that comment and wondered…
If you had the Caps Top-Ten games on DVD and the Bears Top-Ten games on DVD, which would you rather watch… some opening nights and mid-season games on one set, or a lot of championships on the other?
Just a random thought that has nothing to do about anything.
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by ThePeerless on Jun 22, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually, I’ll be in Rome for most of the pre-season, so my tickets are in need of a loving home.
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Interesting…
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You’ll be putting them on the JR ticket exchange, right?
by CapitalCentre on Jun 22, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
likely, yes. Assuming none of my usual ticket adopters claim them :)
kinda bummed I picked Rome over Ireland, seeing as the Bruins will be playing a game in Belfast.
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I hope to catch the preseason tilt in NVegas…I’ll get used this eastern schedule quickly.
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by bigonetimer on Jun 22, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome clips
Clips are too great. I’ve got to get some work done around heah! Gotta save some readin’ for latah.
"I’m very happy to hear the news," Ovechkin said when he heard about Backstrom's longterm contract--"because he’s one of the top centers in the world, one of my best friends and we want to play together for a long time. He’s a guy who wants to stay in one place and be comfortable and win, just like me. We talk all the time about playing together, and we talked after the playoffs about how we can win in Washington."
Jason Spezza to the Caps? Too expensive? It’d be possible if Semin was moved. He’d look good in Caps red white and blue
He doesn’t produce enough to justify his production, imo.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
But what about to justify his salary?
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
He was talking about the duality of man. The Jungian thing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This. And also his salary.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He could have a 80-90 pt season on the Caps, and he’s Canadian. He’s kind of like Marleau in that you just don’t know what you’re gonna get from him. You don’t think we could get him for around 5.5-6?
Try 7 Million every year through 2014-2015.
Makes Nick Backstrom’s contract look even better, eh?
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
is there anything that makes Nick Backstrom’s contract look bad? Anything at all?
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by RedBirdie on Jun 22, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, if we never win a cup during the duration.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m just saying what would make Backstrom’s contract look bad. I’m not saying that’ll occur.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
No way. Marleau is way more consistent and reliable than Spezza, and he’s a better all around player. That’s a severe insult to Marleau. Marleau’s name has been smeared because of the SJS playoff failures, but almost every year you look back and Marleau was the best Shark in the playoffs.
I waited all year for this?
I’d rather have a Subaru Impreza
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
You can’t pay a second line center $7 million a year out to 2015 unless his name is “Malkin”
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by ThePeerless on Jun 22, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Scott Gomaz should have to give back his entire salary after losing a fight to Poti.
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I don’t think folks in Montreal — fans or management — are doing handsprings over the year he had.
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by ThePeerless on Jun 22, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure what else they expected. That was a traditional Scott Gomez year, and he was pretty good in the playoffs (at least defensively) so I don’t see how that trade could have worked out any better, and it surely could have been worse.
I waited all year for this?
Gomez was decent on offense, very good on defense, played very tough competition and outscored it. He’s not worth $7+ a season, but he’s better than a lot of people give him credit for.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is closer to right than his current $8.7 million hit. I don’t think he drives play in the same way that AO/Crosby do – if you put him on a separate team and asked him to carry the load, he’d be less effective than either of those two.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Spezza blows. I want no part of him or that contract. If we’re worried about matching up against the other Cs in the east, Spezza is the last guy we want. A huge part of the reason Crosby was able to dominate that first round so much was because Spezza is so damn bad defensively. No no no no no.
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I know it’s dumb, but I’m disappointed that I’m heading out to a meeting and will miss the big announcement of the schedule. Like it matters if I don’t see it for an extra two hours.
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Tuned in a few times. Boring as you might expect an NHL produced award show to be. Best parts have been the kid with the “Lindstrom” jersey and Datsyuk’s acceptance speeches.
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C’mon…the kinds love Joakim Lindstrom
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m kinda irritated that my mom scheduled our appointments fro 12:30 today, so I’ll be missing schedule announcement as well, unless it goes up right at noon.
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I don’t believe Sharp will be moved. Strategy seems to be to keep strength in middle – Toews, Bolland, Sharp. Expendables are wingers.
Also reports are CHI is so tight to the cap they can’t even qualify Ladd, expect him to be gone very soon. Guess Versteeg and/or Big Buff might be joining him, along with them “Nylander’ing” Huet if McKenzie’s thoughts are to be believed.
Crushing mine as well. I wanted Sharp something fierce given the FA market choices.
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Can Chi really afford to pay a 3C $3.375 considering their cap situation?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 22, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Sharp’s their 2C. Bolland would be the 3, I think.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, and Bolland is making $3.375 mil on the cap. And Sharp is at $3.9
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, ok. Thought you were referring to Sharp.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Bolland is underpaid. He was a beast this year.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, underpaid? He has been good but I can’t say 3+ is an underpayment for him. He still hasn’t found much of an offensive game.
I waited all year for this?
He just did everything they needed during the playoffs. A Bob Gould type. Kills penalties, gets SHGs, gets timely ESGs — he’s a stud.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 22, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Copper and Blue had lots of analysis on the SCF, and Bolland, to be fair with tough zone starts and competition, was simply owned with regards to Corsi and Fenwick yet somehow outscored his opposition.
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently they’ve put Byfuglien on the block
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that’s smart. His value’s probably never higher than what it is now, and everyone knows CHI’s in a crunch so maybe that’ll make a bidding war with all the potential suitors.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t mind having the guy here…depends on what it would take to get him though
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d trade Flash for him in a heartbeat, and hope to God they take it.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m generally a cautious sort when it comes to players such as Byfuglien. There is upside (he has the big ornery body the Caps need; he’s only a few months older than Mike Green), but as Hooks noted, his value is probably never higher than it is right now. By definition, that means you will overpay for him. The risk is, “how much?” If he turns all fat and happy about winning a Cup and/or gets a little full of himself over all the love sprinkled his way in the playoffs, then the team he lands with might be very much disappointed. But if he’s still motivated, he can be as close to a bargain as there is this summer.
If I was Chicago, I’d move Byfuglien before Sharp, too. Thats a no brainer.
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by ThePeerless on Jun 22, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
But … but Byfuglien was in the discussion for the Conn!
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, everytime I watched Buff I was really impressed. He threw bodies hard and after everygoal he had a big ol’ F#$% YEA face on. I dont see him gettin fat and happy with just a cup considering how old he is and his passion for the game.
by CarltonBanks on Jun 22, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You’d think they’d move Huet if they could. Lols.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
No one’s stupid enough to take that salary
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It all depends on what comes back as compensation for his salary. If CHI wanted to move, say, Huet and a first for a 7th, they could probably find a taker for him.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I expect them to dump him in the minors ala Nylander and eat the $5+ million
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 22, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t he have a no movement clause?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope…just checked. 5.625 each the next two years.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
can’t believe his agent failed in getting him a NMC and NTC for at least part of the contract. Considering Chicago appears to hand them out like candy…
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I expect them to dump him in the minors ala Nylander Lake Michigan and eat the $5+ million
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by ThePeerless on Jun 22, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They want to go the Pittsburgh route with a group of C that aren’t nearly as good as Pittsburgh’s (Or as expensive, but they’ve got plenty of wasted salary elsewhere).
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh’s not the only team that’s gone on record saying it benefits most to be strong down the middle.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
San Jose’s centers are damn good, too.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Detroit too when they split Zetterberg and Datsyuk
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Carter and Richards ain’t too shabby.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Carter might be the odd man out.
Briere needs to play in the middle to be effective and Giroux isn’t a good winger.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh so Briere and Carter can’t share a stand?
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard Hartnell’s already sharing with Carter……
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh soBriereHartnell and Carter can’t share astandwife?
FTFY
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by J.P. on Jun 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh lols.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Same joke at the same time for us, JP. Scary.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 22, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We are like-minded when it comes to our Philly hate.
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Adultery!!!!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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by HockeyGoalie29 on Jun 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know Pittsburgh isn’t the only team that goes with strength down the middle. But they are the poster boys of going on the middle and sacrificing the quality of the wings, which is what Chicago is going to have to do unless they eat a ton of salary or get really lucky with trade partners.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
But really, even back in the Red Wings glory days of the 90s, weren’t Fedorov, Yzerman, Draper, Larionov, and others actually all centers?
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
But Shannyhan, Hull, Lapointe, etc. weren’t.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
They had strong wingers as well, but I thought they were stronger down the middle than any other position.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But there was no cap in those days. No way could you have all those guys on one roster nowadays, Even if you somehow got lucky and did it would only last one season.
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, completely true, but positional strategy applied pre-cap world as well.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
But much less than it does now. Imagine MLB with a cap. Premium on pitching would be even higher than it is now.
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that Chicago has Patrick Kane, who’s leagues better than anyone PIT is dressing as a wing these days. Kane is their best offensive player, even if Toews is a more effective forward overall and Keith is the best player on the team.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hossa is a freakin’ monster two-way player. So yeah, while Toews and Sharp aren’t Crosby and Malkin, you couldn’t get Hossa or Kane by trading the entirety of the Pens’ wings. Chicago is still going to be good for a while yet.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
In my inbox today from NHL.com
TSN is offering a free trial subscription that comes with this Super keychain for Caps Fans as a bonus:
Way to be up-to-date, TSN (and way to check what goes out under your email name, NHL).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I played word scramble with you statement for another one – The Hockey News broke a long time ago.
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice!
How about
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Also good.
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by Carl Putnam on Jun 22, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If that turns out to be used in the WC uniform, they’ll look prophetic!
by CapitalCentre on Jun 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Schedule’s up. FanPost on the front page for discussin’.
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No link, lame.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
can someone tell me if these will work?
WSH – FLASH (OR SEMS) + NEUVY
to
SJ for Danny Boyle + Devin Stetoguchi?
I don’t know why either team would do that. We don’t get a C, they lose their best D and a high quality RFA.
I waited all year for this?
Much better explained.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno why you’d wanna trade Neuvirth. In my opinion, he’s the best of the three goalies we have. Also, Boyle doesn’t really excite me, and we need a center, not a winger (like Setoguchi). Just not really a feasible trade here in my eyes, and I dunno why San Jose would bite on Semin or Neuvirth, considering the want of them to get deep in the playoffs and Semin and Flash are both seen as one dimensional guys who can disappear.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just throwing it out there. Because we have three really great goalie prospects. (They seem like they need one) I don’t really want to trade him, but for someone like Stegs/Boyle I would. Because Semin is probably gone by next year and flash will have disappeared by then, we might be able to fleece them.
They have Greiss and Stalock. Stalock is probably the higher touted G but Greiss is further along the development path. Unless they think Neuvirth is ready to step in and be a legitimate Number 1 right now, there’s not much reason for them to try to bring in another young goalie.
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Mirtle's UFA Rankings
Am I the only person shocked that he listed Gonchar as #3?
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The UFA class this year is sparse as hell.
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by Whiter Mage on Jun 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but there are still several that are better than Gonchar. Just on D I’d take Martin, Michalek, Niedermayer, Volchenkov and Hamhuis over Gonchar at this point of his career and with his likely salary demands.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jun 22, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nieds is retiring, so you can cross him off that list. I expect Hamhuis to definitely sign with the Flyers. As much as I agree that Sergei looked pretty bad at times last season, given the lack of depth at the position in FA market Mirtle might be right.
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Sure, Nieds and Hamhuis may be off the list soon. But Mirtle has them on the list, and if they are going to be on the list they should be ahead of Gonchar. Even without those two I still listed 3 D I’d prefer over Gonchar, and there are other forwards as well. Gonchar is one of the better UFAs, but I definitely wouldn’t consider him top 5.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jun 22, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes. I thought you meant top 3 d-men. Just looked at his list. Yeah, no way he’s in that spot.
Not sure Nieds would have been better than Gonch. Both showed some age decline last season. I was on record saying pens would be crazy to resign Gonch unless he took a lot less money.
My D-man list in order would be
Martin
Hamhuis
MIchalek
Mitchell
Kubina (he’d be higher if he had more than one good year in ATL going for him)
Volchenkov
Talinder
Gonchar
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Nieds and Gonchar both declined last year, but Nieds was starting off at a much higher level to begin with. I probably wouldn’t rank Gonchar that low, I don’t think Tallinder is better and Mitchell is getting old and has a ton of miles on him.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jun 22, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Tallinder or Mitchell are better, its that you could get them for far more reasonable terms. That has to factor in to rankings in my mind.
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I am a fan of Willie Mitchell and how he plays the game but his injury last year and the pretty nasty post-concussion syndrome that followed it, makes me extra leery of signing him.
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by Rather Bengt on Jun 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And Mitchell hasn’t played since January when he was boarded head first from behind.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jun 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m biased, but Gonchar probably deserves it. When he’s healthy he can still play 25+ minutes a night, in all situations, and acquit himself decently against the other team’s top players.
Then offensively he’s probably still the best power play defenseman in the game*. I say that, because, he basically runs the Penguins power play. Gonchar rushes the puck up the ice almost every time, he sets up in the zone, he’s the one who makes the call on walking it towards the middle for a shot or directing it to Malkin/Crosby on the half-wall.
*Green’s more talented, but he’s less of a focal point with the way the Caps run it than Gonchar is with the way the Pens run theirs. And to that, Green has 96 PP points in the last three seasons; Gonchar has 92 PP points and has missed 60 more games. Green does have 14 more goals.
In my mind, there’s no doubt that Gonchar will add more on the ice to a team than Martin, Volchenkov or any other UFA d-man. The team that gets him will probably over-pay in years and term though, so it might not be wise in a few years, but that’s not the ranking.
I thought he showed some age decline last season. He didn’t seem to be able to kick it into high gear skating wise. No way I’d give a guy his age what he’s probably going to ask for.
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I’ll agree he looks slower to the eye and is definitely on the down-swing…
But Gonchar still finished 15th in the league in ice-time per game, and the closest Pens defenseman (Kris Letang) was almost 3 minutes a game behind him.
You listed some guys above him that are far inferior players. They might come with much more reasonable contracts, but Mirtle’s list wasn’t Most Signable players or Cap Friendliest players, it was Best UFA’s. And I still think Gonchar’s ranked appropriately.
He finished that high in ice time because your coach didn’t trust guys like Mckee.
Ok, take away contracts maybe, but his age and decline in speed should be atken into account.
Like KC, I thought Sergei played great for the Pens prior to last season. However, Gonch looked old last year. Chances are he isn’t going to look any younger from here on out.
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Well he would be higher up if you aren’t considering contract (although I don’t know how useful it is to ignore age/price in this kind of discussion), but I still wouldn’t take him over Martin or rank him that high. He has slowed down considerably, his solid defense that he showed in the 2008 and 2009 playoffs seems to have gone away, and his offense is slowly slipping as well. He may be the focal point of the Pens PP, but that label is a double edged sword with how much the Pens PP struggled last year.
And my comments are also more based on how much I expect him to decline, I don’t think he was worse the last few years than all the guys I mentioned. But I see his defensive struggles and lack of speed as more of a sign of things to come than a blip on the radar.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jun 22, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He may be the focal point of the Pens PP, but that label is a double edged sword with how much the Pens PP struggled last year.
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He may be the focal point of the Pens PP, but that label is a double edged sword with how much the Pens PP struggled last year.
What you don’t understand are the two edges of that sword:
With Gonchar in lineup: 19.8% PP rate
Without Gonchar: 8.9% rate of success
Fair enough. But with his declining speed and defensive struggles your getting a guy who is moving closer and closer to being a PP specialist. Sure, he still eats up a ton of ice time, but he isn’t nearly as effective even strength as he used to be or as you would like a 22+ minute a night guy to be. The Penguins D struggled big time this year, in large part because their top guy was suspect defensively. His underwhelming behind the net statistics support this. His even strength GAON/60 went way up and his +/-ON/60 went way down compared to the previous two seasons.
You can say that he’s not dropping off and that these are team effects or that he’ll bounce back, but I wouldn’t bank on it. You’re not getting the 2008-2009 Gonchar who was an offensive force while still playing solid defense. You’re getting the 2010 and beyond Gonchar who is still a PP stud but is increasingly becoming an adventure even strength.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jun 22, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I guess I was looking at it as more of a 3 year view point than simply a next seaosn view point.
Even so, Gonchar looked slow at times this past season, and only played in 62 games, and 25 games the season before that.
I’d have him slated around the 10 spot. There just seem to be a lot of question marks about Gonch in my mind.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jun 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But I see his defensive struggles and lack of speed as more of a sign of things to come than a blip on the radar.
This is exactly why his value plummets in my mind.
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I wonder if they go after Kaberle.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
GMGM sure as hell better not got after Kaberle.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jun 22, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Settle down, partner – I meant the Ducks. Bad wording on my part.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If you think my response was too aggressive you’re lucky F&B didn’t see this first.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jun 22, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha. I’d be delusional to suggest Kaberle to the Caps.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha. I was going to reply without even Z-ing through but my internet froze for a second so I had to wait.
I waited all year for this?
I’m not that insane, bro. ;)
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see why we need another d-man. Green, Schultz, Jurcina, Poti, Carlson, and Alzner form a damn fine defensive corps. If you sign another d-man, you’re effectively putting Alzner back in Hershey (which at this point is some bullshit) or you’re telling Jurcina goodbye, and there’s not a d-man I would want at the cost they would command over Jurcina.
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I could give up on Juice for a lot of players. Especially with Poti leaving next year that player would just take that spot in the depth chart.
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I guess, but none of these guys really appeal to me except Hamhuis. I’d rather just play this year with the guys we have – sign Poti’s replacement next year.
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Fair enough. I just don’t think the D we have is good enough. I’d rather get Michalek now, be tight for a year, and be set when Poti leaves.
I waited all year for this?
Some of that will go to Bobby Ryan. Outside of Ryan/Getz/Perry/Hiller, the Ducks need some re-tooling.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not good news at all for the Caps. More and more I believe a trade or two is going to need to happen for the Caps to get their needs adequately addressed.
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Looks like Nathan Horton to the Boston Bruins is a done deal. Working on details.
Wowsa.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Dreger confirmed.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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Players are being notified, but its horton and another Panther for 1 Bruin.
Wow, I woulda thought it’d be the other way around….
by bilspacecadet on Jun 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats strange.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s also their most useful center. Doubt it.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why I’ve been stumping for a Semin/Bergeron swap for a while now.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Tweets from Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie Horton and Gregory Campbell for Dennis Wideman, 15th overall pick and another draft pick. Done.
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Stan Bowman just said he’s spoken with every GM multiple times in the last week. “There’s certainly a lot of interest.”
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Horton and Greg Campbell for Dennis Wideman and 15th overall pick. Wow.
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so that means a lot of players will be getting suspensions the day before their teams play the Bruins, right?
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And another pick? Florida looks like they’re going to be set in that deal.
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Really? I like it a lot for Boston. Wideman was in a toxic situation and they have so many picks that unless it’s like the 32nd overall, I don’t think they’ve overpaid.
I agree with Hooks; looks like Florida got the raw end of this deal.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. Wideman was in my opinion Boston’s best defenseman, and adding to that a first round draft pick? I’d be happy. Maybe I’m undervaluing Horton – I’m not too impressed by him.
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Maybe you’re undervaluing Chara, too.
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When I watched the two play, Chara looked like he was enabled to do the things he does by Wideman. I think Chara’s great, but I think Wideman is why he was able to do a lot of what he could.
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Funny – I’ve seen it the other way.
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That’s fair. Regardless, the two played well together, and Wideman was a top 2 d-man guy with them, and before he was a Bruin.
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Wideman was pretty terrible last season.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Broken sticks everywhere, home fans starting to boo him loudly. Bad times.
Plus Johnny Boychuck’s emergence (and re-signing Seidenberg) help lessen the blow of dealing Wideman.
I think he’s still pretty good, and his cap hit is only 3.8 for the next two years. He may not be a Norris winner, but that’s a good deal for FLA.
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Their defense looks like
McCabe, Wideman, Kulikov, Allen, Ellerby, and Ballard. That’s who they have under contract at the moment.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston has Hunwick, Chara, Ference, and Seidenberg under contract at the moment. Boychuk’s Unrestricted, and Stuart, Bodnarchuk and McQuaid are restricted. Wheeler and Sobotka’s deals are up too (restricted), and as of now, they have a little over 4 million in cap space.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Very solid. And they’ve got the best goalie in hockey.
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As long as we’re comparing, Boston looks like they have the 2nd best. Rask had a better ESSv% than Vokoun this past season IIRC.
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not anti-Wideman, in fact it’s probably better for him to get out of Boston.
But the weaker team in that trade ended up trading the best player in the deal. That’s usually not a good formula for success.
If Florida can draft/develop a guy like Carter, Getzlaf or some stud they might find at #15, it’ll be good for them. We all know that’s a gamble though.
I guess you’re significantly higher on Horton than I am. Horton might end up the better player, but he hasn’t done anything more impressive than Wideman so far.
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20+ goals for 5 seasons in a row on the freaking Panthers isn’t bad. Put him with Savard, might hit 30?
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He might, and those numbers aren’t terrible. I just think he hasn’t come close to living up to his draft day billing.
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Really depends on who Florida nabs at 15. If its Emerson Etem, thats golden.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, the winner of the trade depends on that.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
True, you’d expect a top 3 pick to be like a Rick Nash type, and Horton hasn’t been that good….But consider his surroundings.
I don’t think he’s an elite player, but as Chris pointed out, he’s been a pretty good one already. Now with more weapons, he ought to shine.
Chara’s deal is up at the end of this year…so even if they’re totally godawful terrible this year, they can just deal him at the deadline.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends if he plays as he has the past few years or puts it all together with the help of a competent center. He has the tools. Though I guess that’s kind of a cop out when trying to evaluate a trade.
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Not real surprising. He’s getting up there in age.
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Modano To Caps? Like the guy but I sure hope not.
Mike Modano(notes), who has been in the NHL and with one team for 20 years, will likely be back for another season, though probably not with the Dallas Stars, according to the Dallas Morning News.
Modano told the paper that “the vibe I’m feeling” is that Stars general manager Joe Nieuwendyk doesn’t plan on re-signing him. But Nieuwendyk says the door has not been closed.
“We talk all of the time and we went golfing last week, so I think there’s an open dialogue there,‘’ the GM said. "That’s kind of just how we left it. It’s the same with Jere (Lehtinen).‘’
Modano, 40, has 557 goals with the organization says there is a 75 percent chance of him returning. At the trading deadline last season, three teams, including the then seemingly unstoppable Washington Capitals, made offers for Modano, but he didn’t want to be traded at that point.
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uhhhhhhhh. no thank you.
and Modano, after that farewell he got at the end of season, really should hang ’em up.
I really could not see him anywhere except Dallas.
Yeah, I agree. Regardless of my feelings about him as a current player, he shouldn’t wear another jersey.
I waited all year for this?
On the other hand – he wouldn’t be looking for a long term deal and he could be a pretty good mentor to an otherwise very young center corps.
Dammit. Plekanec re-signs with Habs for roughly $5/yr, per McK.
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Five??? As in “four-plus-one?”
ugh… that’s deal is going to tomahawk them right between the eyes.
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Yeah, now counting my blessings Poile didn’t get into that.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Good. Have fun with that, MON. You know who is on a longer playoff goal scoring slump than Alex Semin? Tomas Plekanec. He’s at best a 2C and now he’s making 1C money. Suckers.
I waited all year for this?
The Habs have never struck me as the savviest of organizations.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So with Plekanec and Gomez does that mean MON has the most overpaid 1-2C in the league?
I waited all year for this?
…those are 1-2Cs? Hahahahahaha.
In seriousness, yeah – I can’t think of any others unless you count Prospal/Jokinen for NYR who’s deals are up.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s still not close. MON has 12+ million in two guys that are both overpaid.
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LOL.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Plekanec but that deal blows…so much for home team/centennial/poutine discount.
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Hold on. I’m with you on Jokinen, hell if you pay him at all you are overpaying. However, Prospal was getting only just over a mil. Given what he gave them I’d say he was underpaid.
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops. I’m getting the numbers confused.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
HOF Class 2010: Dino Ciccarelli, Cammi Granato and Angela James; Jimmy Devellano and the late Daryl "Doc" Seaman
So much for Niewendyk…
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly liked Dino back in the day, but my massive girlcrush on Cammi Granato is ecstatic.
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Bullllllllllllllllllllllllllllshit.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dino should be in, but the overall class I think is very, very unfortunate.
(Not in the he-man woman hater’s club, just saying it’s borderline criminal to leave out Pat Burns, especially given his health condition and the fact that he’ll probably not live to see his induction….Which is going to happen).
There’s a post up on BoC about Niedermayer’s coming retirement, and in the comments they start talking about the future of their D corps. There’s some Eminger dislike.
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Haven't seen this mentioned, so
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Well, GMGM better make good use of that. You know the competitors are going to.
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By my quick calculations if the Caps jettison Flash, sign Schultz to a $2-2.5 million per year contract, sign Fehr to around $1.7 million, a third line center to around $2.5 million and up Gordo to around a million; they have about $6 million in cap room (and that includes keeping Semin). That’s about enough to get that top four D-man and a solid (not superstar) #2 center.
Yeah it definitely gives us options. I don’t know that I’d pay 2.5 for the 3C, but it’s always good to be cautious with these projections.
I waited all year for this?
Yeah, it’s all flexible but the good news is it gives the Caps room to move with Semin still on board. And if they move Sasha, McPhee can go after anybody. The bad news is it gives other teams the same room to resign their free agents. This is where the ability to win a Cup comes into play.
Yeah, the raising cap really makes it harder for the Caps. PIT has more money to go get a wing and some D. PHI can keep the team together and still make a moderate investment in goaltending. CHI won’t have to have the same firesale that people anticipated. DET and SJS will no doubt make use of the cap increase as well. There are going to be some very very good teams next season.
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For Winning-a-Cup to matter, FAs have to decide that their current situation is incapable of winning, or has a significantly worse chance than the Caps do. To poach a guy like Marleau, he’d have to be convinced to move to the Eastern Conference and that the Caps have a significantly better shot than SJS, which I’m not sure you can do, playoff chokes aside.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I flipped onto NHL Network for the Niedermayer press conference, and naturally Habs-Caps Game 1 OT is on. I managed to flip off before the OT goal though
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Listening to the Niedermeyer press conference. I wondered how long it would take him to cry. He made it almost to the end of his prepared text.
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Rec’d because I was thinking the same. A lot less crying than Joe Sakic I think, maybe since he had more time to think, kind of.
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing MON got Lars Eller in their deal with STL. Now… how the fuck are they going to get him in the lineup with Gomez locked up for 4 more years at 7.4 and Plekanec for 6 years at 5. Whoops.
How you feel about that salary cap negotiating by MON now, Knee?
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MTL is a bunch of idiots. I’m so confused by their asset management.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and after all you defended them on the Halak trade. Hard to say they are trying to carefully manage the cap after a contract like that. Maybe that makes Eller available…
I waited all year for this?
I still think trading Halak was the right move, but Jesus H. Christ, if you’re going to acquire a 2C two-way player, don’t re-sign Tomas Plekanac for a 25% higher cap hit than Marc Savard carries.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and I wasn’t even upset with moving Halak, it was the timing and the compensation. That move becomes all the more curious when you immediately lock your new shiny C out of the lineup for the next 4 years. Do the Habs really seem like a franchise that is going to play a rookie as 3C? Eller has the defensive acumen, allegedly, but I still don’t like the idea of using a great offensive prospect as a checking C to bring him into the NHL.
And yeah, Plekanec is about 20% overpaid. 4 million is probably the max I’d want to pay him, but anything over 4.5 is insane.
I waited all year for this?
Never again am I defending a Habs front office move by assuming that they know what they’re doing.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Odd that it took you so long to come around on that. Last year they managed to trade for Scott Gomez and give up a top prospect in the same move.
I waited all year for this?
i thought that was Gainey, not Gauthier, but yeah. Oy.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still not sure on the trade itself. I need to see Eller develop. I still think it was a good time to deal Halak.
I saw the Plekanic signing coming, but not for that much and that long. They sure do like older overpaid centers in MTL.
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Eller has killer possession stats (Corsi/Fenwick) in the AHL and was by far the best player on his Peoria squad (granted, that team was awful). I think he’ll translate fairly well, but I absolutely cannot figure out what MTL is thinking signing Plekanac to that kind of deal.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jun 22, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You look at Corsi/Fenwick in the AHL? Man, you are a dork.
Just a little qualitative adjustment, AHL D is not nearly as reliable as NHL D and so you need to keep that in mind. It’s probably more important when you look at goaltenders, because a lot of the goals/chances against are from egregious breakdowns, but I think it’s probably still relevant when discussing the broader defensive stats.
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Random Twitter rumor of the day:
@krufrank
As tweeted before: Kipper/Sarich to Wash. for Semin/Neuwirth – Flames then sign UFA Nabokov – it’s been whispered about for a while now
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for the Caps. I don’t know who krufrank is, but he needs to stop doing whatever drugs are making him hear these whispers.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jun 22, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’d say “nyet” to that deal if I were the Caps. At least this year.
Do not need old expensive goalie like Kipper.
Sarich seems like a pretty good defensemen.
On our goalies: Varly and Neuvy. We can make a decision on which one of them is the best option after next season.
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I don’t know what’s been funnier the Brodeur for Semin or this joke of a rumor. Why do these people making up stories believe we need an old goalie?
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