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Wednesday Caps Clips: More Numbers

Your savory breakfast links:

  • More depressing stats that basically boil down to "the Caps shoulda won" (and may not need much of a systemic change at all). [BtN]
  • Oh, and about Hal Gill and Josh Gorges shutting down Alex Ovechkin? Yeah, not so much. [mc79hockey]
  • Mike Green did a phoner on Elliot In The Morning yesterday. [EITM (audio), RMNB (transcription of the whole thing)]
  • Bruce Boudreau also did a couple of radio hits over the past couple of days. Really interesting listens. [The Fan 590, AM640 (h/t CapsFanSince1979)]
  • Steinz continues his mission to prove that the Caps are the pre-Cup Oilers incarnate... [Bog]
  • ... and he's not the only one making comparisons. [DCEx]
  • The players have Gabby's back. [DCEx]
  • Re-CAPSule: Brooks Laich. [Capitals]
  • Nicklas Backstrom, by the tens. [Peerless]
  • Gotta agree with Matheson - I don't think Alexander Semin is going anywhere. [Edmonton Journal]
  • Sergei Fedorov's old man dumps on the Caps' centers. [RMNB]
  • Worst. Year. Ever? [Steinberg]
  • Semyon Varlamov is likely going to be "the guy" for Russia at Worlds (if his equipment gets there); Ovechkin pees in a cup. [Examiner, Examiner]
  • Ready to buy that #15 Laich Team Canada jersey yet? [FanShot]
  • Steinz smakesdown Wilbon. Bravo. [Bog]
  • "Leads"? "Expects to win"? Huh? [Gazette]
  • The Boss hates losing. A lot. [Ted's Take]
  • "Is Mr. Ovechkin risking subconcussive, long-term brain damage [by celebrating goals the way he does]?" The WSJ should go back to not covering sports. [WSJ]
  • Hey, what have the Bears been up to? [Patriot-News]
  • Sure, I'll have a tall glass of Stefan Della Rovere Kool-Aid. [THN]
  • Uh oh... tell me he's not touching the Cup. [RMNB]
  • Finally, happy 45th birthday to Grant Jennings.

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I do think the Caps should at least look at what they can get for Semin, but I doubt he’s traded. And if he is, it sure as hell better not be for Souray.

And Backstrom’s consistency and growth is just ridiculous.

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 5, 2010 6:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I do think the Caps should at least look at what they can get for Semin, but I doubt he’s traded.

With you 100% here.

The reality is that no GM is going to trade an asset like that for pennies on the dollar (nor should they), which is what you’d be getting for Semin right now, as he a) is coming off two poor playoff series in a row, b) is injury-prone, c) is only signed for one year and d) hasn’t shown that he’s committed to staying in North America long-term (though the KHL’s financial woes might help make that decision for him).

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Btw, over/under on the percentage of threads between now and the draft referencing the possibility of Semin being traded: 85%.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean there’s going to be MORE than there were this year?

Oy.

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

We should just create an “Alexander Semin Trade Talk Open Thread”

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a crab pot to me – easy to get into, but once you’re in there, you’re stuck. And screwed.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

It would probably slip into some sort of evil vortex/ninth circle of Hell type of deal

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Anti-Seminite” is brilliant. Kudos to you good sir.

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Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anti-Seminic behavior has been observed and noted on the blog for quite some time. I believe Natty pegged the first appearance of the term as appearing August 11, 2009.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Sounds like a crab pot to me

Then perhaps the Discovery Channel will make a reality show about it: America’s Most Repetitive Blog Discussions.

"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."

by Laich It Or Lump It on May 5, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I've been there...

Groundsemin Day…

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Don’t confuse it with ground cumin.

(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)

by oldemystix on May 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Deadliest Blog Topics”

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Repetitive Blog Topics vs. Giant Shark vs. Giant Octopus”

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Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

“The Repetitive, Redundant, Recurring and Superfluous Send Sasha Semin Somewhere Show”

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Only if the opening song is “Sister Susie’s Sewing Shirts for Soldiers”

Sister Susie’s sewing shirts for soldiers
Such skill at sewing shirts
Our shy young sister Susie shows!

Some soldiers send epistles,
Say they’d sooner sleep in thistles
Than the saucy, soft, short shirts for soldiers sister Susie sews.

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Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sasha shoots slap shots skating shorthanded
If Sasha shot slap shots skating shorthanded
How many shorthanded slap shots should Sasha have shot?

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trading Semin doesn’t fit into my Patrick Sharp solution at 2C.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Discounting Rink Wraps and other player-specific posts, I’ll take the over.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 5, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe that author even lent credence to the thought that Souray would be a good fit for the Caps, regardless of what was going the other way.

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on May 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

“the Caps shoulda won” (and may not need much of a systematic change at all)

Winner winner chicken dinner.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 7:01 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The more reviews and stats analysis I read about the series with the Habs, the more it seems like there were so many things that felt apart at just the right time to give the Habs the win. If we one or two of those things not go wrong we would have won it 4-1. Reading the Backstrom review on Peerless, in games 1-4 Backs had great stats, but went 0-0-0 and -1 in the last 3 games, right around when his shoulder injury came. Same with the obvious performance struggles from Semin, Green, and Flash.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once you can kinda get past the initial “Oh Dear God we shit the bed again” and the inevitable melancholy that follows such a frustrating loss and start looking at things objectively (to where its not TRADE [insert player here] NOW!!111 and FIRE [insert coach/GM here] NOW) it seems at least to me, that it was a combination of factors that led to a “perfect storm” of sorts. I think there are definitely changes/tweaks that need to be made, but not as drastic as some are calling for.

Next year, though? If it happens again, time for some major shakeups.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grammar police alert!
systematic change

I believe the correct word here is systemic. definition here

Or maybe not, if I’m misenterpreting what’s really meant here. Yeah, I guess I’m crabby this morning.

Sig temporarily on hiatus to ease the pain.

by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Steinz smakesdown Wilbon. Bravo. [Bog]

He spelled “smackdown” incorrectly too! Looks like J.P. needs some more coffee!

"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."

by Laich It Or Lump It on May 5, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, that’s a Rink thing, It passes.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I wasn’t aware. I stand corrected.

"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."

by Laich It Or Lump It on May 5, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

No big deal. I also missed it when skimming the morning links. I can use bad grammar as well as the next person, usually intentially when I do, but some things just drive me nuts when I hear/see them. The above isn’t really one of them, though.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

This post are drove me crazy-like?

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or like mis-spelllings (intentionally, not intentially). But this is getting way OT.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Per the Glossary (which I get to reference now twice before nine AM):

Smakedown: A combination of the words smackdown and takedown, though community member Laich It or Lump It wasn’t initially aware of his invention. We knew smakedown had made the big time when it showed up on the Verizon Center jumbotron.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Laichitor is apparently still unaware of his invention…

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was doing my part to maintain the Kern-ian quotient of jackassery at around 80%.

"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."

by Laich It Or Lump It on May 5, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hee-haw.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just makes it more amusing that it’s Laich It or Lump It missing it. A Nylanderic conclusion.

"Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly, 'No chance you metal ba****d.'"

by apk3000 on May 5, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s also possible that I was joking from the start and am well aware of the term.

"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."

by Laich It Or Lump It on May 5, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice try.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 5, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s also possible that I was joking from the start and am well aware of the term.

"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."

by Laich It Or Lump It on May 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I changed it in an effort to make you happy.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, wasn’t necessary. But I’m impressed that I could have such influence. ;-)

Sig temporarily on hiatus to ease the pain.

by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

What his post doesn’t explain, however, is how a team that so thoroughly outmatched their opponent put themselves in a situation where a few lucky bounces determined the outcome of the series.

The Caps could have and should have dominated that series, but they didn’t, and there are aspects of the system (or the players’ execution thereof) that are certainly ripe for criticism.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt. And there were areas that would’ve been exploited if they weren’t playing a team that was so awful, generally, at five-aside.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. No one’s above legit criticism, but I don’t think its time to hit the “all is lost” button.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I, for one, am not hitting the “all is lost” button.

I’m definitely hitting the “this team has some fundamental structural issues” button though.

To be fair, I’ve been hitting it all year.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I knew I should’ve stayed away from all of this right after the loss for about a week. I was a buffoon with my ideas for change. I’ve come back to normalcy since then.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are still changes that need to be made. Not “blow up the entire team”-type changes, but changes nevertheless.

And my opinion about Semin has basically nothing to do with his playoff performance and everything to do with the fact that he’s a wasting asset that would be more valuable to another team than he is to us.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give that AM640 Gabby interview a listen when you get a chance. It’ll likely frustrate you to no end.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s impossible. I couldn’t be more frustrated than I already am. One week after the fact and I still wake up every morning and am genuinely shocked to realize the Caps aren’t in the second round.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had the same initial reaction, but I think it’s more what else can he say. Given that BB has to coach the guy, I’m sure he’s well aware of bad Sasha and probably could warm up pretty quickly to a new toy.

by Reckless on May 5, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not talking about the Semin parts, specifically. More the general, “Hey, what can you do?” vibe. When he talks about dumping and chasing – that it was their plan all along and it’s what they did all along – I cringed.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry, got it. Thought you were talking about the “we’ll have Alzner and Carlson next year and that’s all we need” part. With you on that “strategery” discussion.

by Reckless on May 5, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

More the general, "Hey, what can you do?" vibe.

That line is getting really old really fast.

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely not blow it up, but the team definitely needs to undergo some evolution for sure too.

We can’t play 82 games of pretty, high flying hockey and then expect to be immediately effective at playoff hockey where nothing is easy, you have to fight for every inch, and goal-scoring playes are more likely to start off random bounces in the corner than on a great outlet pass from the defense.

The team simply needs to be more versatile.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Versatile”

I like that one. Pulled it from your nether-regions, huh? Who, pray tell, are versatile players, if the Caps aren’t?

by Hawerchuk on May 5, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think we’re offensively versatile? I don’t.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he sees a “we” here in the first place. But maybe try to explain what you mean by “versatile.”

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess my starting point is how much the game changes in the playoffs. I hate to fall back on overly used narratives but I think they’re unfortunately true in the Caps loss to the Habs.

The Caps play a style of offense that is beyond dominant in the regular season, but isn’t nearly as effective in playoffs. So you have to have a team (and players) that can adapt when you run into a team like the Habs, that effectively clogs the neutral zone, clears out the middle in the defensive zone, and makes it hard to plant guys in front of the net.

I think there’s a reason we had so many shots on goal and so few goals. I think there’s a reason Semin had so many shots on goal and no goals. Playoff performances like the Habs will give you everything you want from the outside, while they pack it in in front of a red hot goalie.

So the question becomes, can you break this strategy? And our scorers and offensive system couldn’t. Especially Green and Semin who’s offensive skill sets are less effective in a rough, tightly packed offensive zone. To a lesser extent Ovechkin struggled too. Even guys like Fehr and Laich struggled to make life difficult in Montreal’s crease. (Flash isn’t even worth analyzing at this point.)

Fast moving, sharp shooting skills like Ovechkin, Semin and Green have (to varying degrees) are deadly, and useful in the playoffs and the regular season. But they’re not enough.

IMHO.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

but why isn’t it effective in the playoffs? Why shouldn’t it be effective? The game, technically, is played under the same rules, with the same rule book, called the exact same way it is during the regular season (or so some claim).

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that a tin foil hat I see hidden in your desk drawer?

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on May 5, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

hidden?! I’m wearing it proudly, Detroit style!

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps it’s cause you go from playing a different team every game, to playing the same one for 4-7 games at a time. Playing a series (and the time off before hand) gives you a chance to gear your defense specifically towards your opponent’s attacking style and exploiting it’s weaknesses, where as during the regular season you have to play more of a general style of defense since every game is a different attacking style.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying that a playoff series often reveals who the better coach is and/or just how good a given bench boss truly is?

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not necessarily, but which team/coach/players are better at preparing and adapting to face their opponent.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that preparation and adaptation are hallmarks of good coaching, but what do I know…

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree those are aspects of good coaching. No using it to determine who’s the better coach in the series, yes. Better coach in the playoffs, maybe. But I don’t think it would show who’s the better coach overall.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that preparation and adaptation are hallmarks of good coaching, but what do I know…

I agree, but in any sport I only assign so much blame/credit to coaches. I put more responsibility on players than on coaches.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do the exact opposite. If the gameplan is bad, it’s the coach’s fault. If the execution of a good gameplan is poor, it’s often the coach’s fault based on motivation, personnel choices, etc. It’s a very, very rare instance in which an entire team’s worth of players are suddenly all culpable.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

if the execution of a good gameplan is poor, it’s often the coach’s fault based on motivation, personnel choices, etc.

Really? Interesting. I would definitely describe my philosophy as talent trumps coaching.

Admittedly I started thinking this way with regards to football, but I think it applies to any sport.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

A coach should coach to his talent, IMO, not force guys into roles in which they can’t succeed.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree. I think that’s basically at the crux of good coaching.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps it’s cause you go from playing a different team every game, to playing the same one for 4-7 games at a time.

I think this is definitely part of it. I think another big issue is simply effort. In the playoffs it’s do or die, your season is a 7 game series, so I think guys do a lot more little things and it all adds up. Guys are more willing to block shots. More willing to take a big hit. (Or make a big hit.) More willing to use that last ounce of energy in your shift to chase a puck. I think these things happen consciously and sub-consciously.

I think there was a Scott Walker quote to this effect from around when we traded him.

The sum total of all of this, I think, is a style of play where it’s simply harder to do everything. Harder to get open. Harder to get a shot through. Harder to skate past a defender without another one waiting there to stop you. In essence, harder to do a lot of the things that make the Caps’ offense go. To a certain extent they just have to keep doing what they’re doing (being amazingly skilled) and sometimes those 5-1 victories will come. But more often than not they’re going to have to adapt and win games like the one the Pens won yesterday (where Sid won them the game with a screen on Halak).

Like I said, I think in the playoffs more goals come from plays that started with a random bounce that goes your way because you finished your check or skated a few extra strides at the end of your shift, than come from nice outlet passes or amazing Ovie 1-on-2’s.

So like I said, we shouldn’t blow it up, and I certainly think Ovie and Backstrom can get it done, I just think as a team, as individuals, and as a complete roster they have to be more offensively versatile.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

When did Jschon become President Harding?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d always pegged him as more Warren G. than Warren G. Harding. But that’s OT.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regulators…… Mount up.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

you gotta be handy with the steel

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

What frustrated me about some of the comments from “Getaway Day” was the “don’t blame the coaches – we just didn’t execute” notion.

If the coaches put a good gameplan in place and you as players didn’t execute it properly, it’s the coaches job to motivate you and, if that fails, bench you for someone that will execute the game plan.

With the exception of injury replacements, BMo’s yo-yo-ing in and out and the Game 7 benching of Flash, the coaching staff didn’t seem to be doing that whatsoever.

As the old saying goes, “you can’t fire the whole team.”

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, in fairness, the last thing I would expect is for this group of players to throw Gabby under the bus publicly. I agree with you substantively that there’s a lack of introspection and accountability coming from a portion of the organization, but I wouldn’t expect – or want – the players to be voicing anything in that regard.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I suppose it’s the vehemence of their comments that got me.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t surprised by the strength of the players’ support of BB, that so many took the blame upon themselves. The team has been a very tight, supportive group and players have been warmly positive about BB’s structured but demanding system. So to have finger pointing and blame played out in the media would have been excruciating IMO. Last thing I’d want to hear is the media has been given a new meme of bad locker room attitude and star player on outs with coach—the kind of stuff we read about other teams—not the Capitals. Maybe I’m giving McPhee too much credit, but I expect accountability and analysis of what went wrong to be discussed in private.

by capsyoungguns on May 5, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What his post doesn’t explain, however, is how a team that so thoroughly outmatched their opponent put themselves in a situation where a few lucky bounces determined the outcome of the series.

This isn’t as true as it seems, in terms of “outmatching” an opponent. This season, the Caps won the season series with a 2-1-1 record, but they scored 14 goals and allowed 14 goals in doing so. Only one of the four games was not a one-goal affair (a 4-2 win). Over the last three years, the Caps have a 7-4-1 record over Montreal, but four of the wins came in extra time, and Montreal actually outscored the Caps in the 12 games by 40-38. Including extra-time games, eight of the 12 games were one-goal affairs.

Should the Caps have won that series? Absolutely. But Montreal posed the worst matchup for the Caps of any of the bottom four teams in the Eastern draw.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Montreal posed the worst matchup for the Caps of any of the bottom four teams in the Eastern draw.

And that’s what makes this all so frustrating. The Caps post the best record in the league and their reward is to end up facing the worst possible opponent. And what makes it worse, The Pens fall into fourth and get the easiest matchup. Then Pittsburgh goes into the second round and Montreal’s best defenseman goes down in the first game. Everyone hates to use the word luck, but there’s a lot of it, both good and bad, that has to happen for a team to win a Cup. Should the Caps still have beaten Montreal? Yeah. Did they get the hardest path to the second round? Yeah again.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep. That sums it up nicely.

One of the worst parts for me is that had we beaten Montreal, I felt like we were well equipped to deal with Philly and that we’d beat Pittsburgh if we faced them in another series. We should have at least made it to the conference finals.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 5, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s things like b.orr4’s post that make me wonder what the Caps did to piss off every single higher being in the universe. It’s all just so unjust that it can’t just be random chance.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

That.

Also, how are things in the Birdie household this morning after that monumental collapse in Detroit?

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

subdued. Mr. B is at the point where I was after Game 6. “Please, just let the end come quickly and as painlessly as possible!”

I’m feeling the bad life choice I made last night, though. I figured with all those “Let’s Go Capps!” cheers from last night and the win, I could a a celebratory “shot woodka.”

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah — other sports curses at least have an event or person they can blame. I don’t know that I believe the Caps are cursed…but it would be nice to have a focus for it regardless.

by CapitalCentre on May 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am utterly convinced that the Penguins are the Scarlett O’Hara of the NHL, forever depending on the kindness of strangers… other teams to beat them senseless to get to the front of the line to select Mario Lemieux… winning a contrived lottery engineered (either by design or by happenstance) to minimize the competition the Penguins would get for the top pick in 2005… the league bending over backwards to give the club every opportunity to remain in Pittsburgh when the economics didn’t work (and they still wouldn’t, absent that 2005 lottery thing), and the blind stinking luck they’ve enjoyed in the draw through the first two rounds this year.

And I’m now convinced, given the coverage, that “NHL” stands for the “Nothing but Sid Hockey League.”

Bitter? Oh, a tad.

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by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

would you like to join us in the Tin Foil Hat club? membership is open, and we don’t judge.

correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Pittsburgh get the #1, #2, #1, and #2 overall picks from 2003-2006? I’m not sure even Darryl Sutter could fuck up that many gift-wrapped top picks.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

that would be correct, and they picked up (in order): MAF, Malkin, Crosby, and Staal

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by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Patrick and Shero got quality in those drafts also (Letang, Goligoski, Kennedy, and even got Carcillo and Moulson before trading them/losing their rights).

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by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carcillo was a Pens draftee?!

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, then traded to Phoenix for Laraque.

Let the hypothetical of him making the Pens roster sink in for a minute, but watch out you don’t grind your teeth to the root.

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by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

the thought is causing me to twitch uncontrollably.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, they traded up to get Fleury in 2003. Not by much, but it did cost them. And that’s the reason they didn’t lose a ball in the 2005 lottery.

Oh, who am I kidding? Give me a tinfoil hat, please.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

A small trivia note: in those two games this year they got to OT by scoring the tying goal in the last 30 seconds with Theolamov pulled.

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by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So you’re saying that Bruce should have played the entire series with his goalie pulled. I can dig it.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

At one point we were calling for BB to sit someone on even strength so we could go down a man. Our PK offense was smoking hot.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should’ve had someone run Halak – he gets rattled, Caps go shorthanded… win-win.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fehr ran Halak, sat in the box*, then scored on him.

Hmmm.

*Then while he was sitting in the box, Poti took a puck in the eye on the PK

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fehr sat in the box, and the rest of the team came out and shat in the box.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we should have called a time out for everyone to put on face shields, then go out and rinse & repeat

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by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I. Was. Joking.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Fehr tried that….didn’t really work.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which really points to the fact of how bad a matchup Montreal was for the Caps.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it should say “two of those games this year,” but that would be, you know, smart.

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by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Montreal also win the season seriesat 2-1-1?

by RPI93 on May 5, 2010 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, if Montreal was 2-1-1 with an OT win in there, guess who else was.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the season series was tied with both teams winning a game in regulation, a game in OT/SO, and losing 1 game in regulation and 1 game in the OT/SO. And for all those folks that argue the SO doesn’t matter, well our OT/SO win against the Habs this year was a SO win, so you could even argue we lost the season series.

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by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I should have put “win” in quotes.

by RPI93 on May 5, 2010 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Caps regular season record v. MTL: One regulation win, one OT (technically SO) win, one regulation loss, one OT loss.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Small point, but both teams were 2-1-1 so really no one won the season series

by gnuf on May 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Montreal posed the worst matchup for the Caps of any of the bottom four teams in the Eastern draw.

I’m sorry but I’m a little tired of hearing this. Yes, Montreal is a tough matchup. Yes, they can be a lock-down defensive team. Yes, they had some regular season success against the Caps. Yes, their goalie was out of his mind. But it’s the playoffs, and every team has some if not all of those elements working for it. Hal Gill and Spacek? Still considered by most to be worse than Zdeno Chara, Tyler Myers, Chris Pronger, Brooks Orpik or Volchenkov. Jaro Halak? What about Ryan Miller or Tuukka Rask or Marty Brodeur? Lundquist missed the playoffs, and we saw what he could do last year. Even Brian Boucher can stand on his head for five or six games. I’m just wondering, in a first-round exit against another team, would Caps fans still be saying “worst possible matchup,” or “hey at least we didn’t draw the Habs”?

The Caps should have won that series (and any series) on paper. But given their gameplan and execution, they absolutely should not have won. Mental lapses, bad penalties, 1-for-the series on the PP, and slow 1st periods are why they lost, not an unlucky draw.

by J.R. Howard on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know some of us wanted Montreal because of the lesser toll on the players’ bodies, helpful if the Caps would have advanced. Others wanted Philly/NYR/BOS because while those teams would play more physically, play less conservatively and thus are more susceptible to the Caps’ aggressive style than a team that completely shuts down offense for stretches to play D. The theory is that the Caps have little issue scoring goals on Philly, would do slightly better against NYR this season, and Boston…they might be tough, but the Caps have had success against them. Meanwhile, they’ve had trouble with the trap all season. All of two seasons now.

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by red army line on May 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of people thought MOntreal was the worst possible matchup before the series started.

Waiting 'til next year.

by wickedwitch on May 5, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vogel and Stretch among others were on record before the matchups were even set that Montreal was the worst possible pairing. Noone’s saying that the Caps shouldn’t have beaten Montreal. They were the better, more skilled team and should have won. Noone’s excusing them for losing the series. The point that was being made is that in this case coming in first proved no benefit in the first round. I’d have taken Ottawa in a heart beat with Elliot in goal.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but I disagreed with that sentiment then, and I still do. Going into the playoffs, I thought teams were going to have to score 4 or 5 goals to beat the Caps consistently, and the Habs just didn’t have the roster to do that. I viewed Boston in a similar light, decent forward talent, good stay at home D, good young goalie, but nothing exceptional. The Rangers didn’t worry me at all. The Flyers scared me a bit before Leighton went down, they clearly had the most potent talent of any potential first-round matchup, and sometimes I still wake up in a cold sweat screaming “LUPUL!” After the regular season the Caps had, I figured the only team that could be them was the Caps. Guess I was right and wrong at the same time.

by J.R. Howard on May 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree.

In hindsight I can see now why MTL was a challenging match up. But I don’t think any of the other teams would have been that much better for the Caps.

Like you said, it’s the playoffs. Great goalies are everywhere. Stonewall defenses are everywhere. If you want to be champion, you’re going to have to find a way around them.

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except that there were a ton of us saying that they were a crappy matchup well in advance. Hindsight has nothing to do with it.

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by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

my hindsight, not yours.

Either way, I think the difficulties of Montreal vs other teams are somewhat overstated. They were a tough match up, but far from unique in the playoffs.

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montreal was the single match-up I desperately did not want to see. When Philly won on April 11, it took all my self control not to hurl things at the TV and make a big scene in front of the in-laws.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to compare player to player — Hal Gill to Zdeno Chara — fine. But hockey isn’t all (or even perhaps mostly) individual matchups. Montreal (and we’ve beaten this point to death) was the worst possible matchup for the Caps because their specific strengths pointed right at the specific weaknesses of the Caps, most notably their power play against the Caps’ PK (although that was not a great factor as it played out) and the potential for a streaky goaltender, which Halak certainly is, of getting on a streak at the worst possible time for the Caps. None of the other three teams in the bottom half of the draw could deploy those specific strengths against the Caps the way Montreal could. Phily doesn’t have the goaltending (no, not even Boucher). Boston doesn’t have either Montreal’s power play skill, and Rask was an untested playoff goalie. Ottawa, who did play the Caps tough, didn’t have the power play abilities, either, and their goalie would have been coming in green to a playoff situation.

Again, should the Caps have won? Again… absolutely. But the Habs had the highest probability of the four teams in the lower half of the draw of pulling the upset.

Look at it another way… NJD swept the Penguins… the Penguins were 5-1 against Philly… Philly was 5-1 against NJD. Which of those teams would you expect to advance? It depend on their matchup. Philly beat NJD in the first round because they beat them like a drum all year.

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by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You touched on this, but the only thing that scared me about the Habs was their PP. That turned out to be a cause for concern at 6-for-29, around their season average. But how is Halak “certainly” a streaky goaltender? After a slow start, he was remarkably consistent this year, the only thing streaky about his play was whether or not his coach decided to put him in a ballcap in favor of Price. Rask was basically in the same boat with Thomas early on, but was also consistent all year once he got the job. But neither goalie had entered an NHL playoff series as a starter and were complete wild-cards.

And with the way New Jersey and Pittsburgh looked in their respective series, do you think the Devils would still be playing if they had drawn the Pens in the first round?

by J.R. Howard on May 5, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Halak is an 88% goalie in losses, a 95% in wins, for what it’s worth (give or take 1%). That’s kinda streaky.

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by red army line on May 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are pretty much in line with league averages for all goalies in wins and losses. Some notables:

Miller: .946/.900
Rask: .952/.906
Brodeur: .942/.876
Bryzgalov: .941/.884
Theodore: .930/.862

by J.R. Howard on May 5, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm…BtN wrong in statistical analysis? Sorry—just someone commented how he’s streaky (and compared him with Price) and no one corrected—I assumed it was correct.

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by red army line on May 5, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t checked out BtN’s recent analysis, will look into it. Halak (.948/.886 to be exact) does seem to have a slightly higher gap (.062) between than most, but it’s actually less than Theo’s (.068) and while he did have an up-and-down season, no one was more dependable down the stretch. So I dunno if streaky applies to either Halak or Theo, but you could make the case for both. I guess my point is almost every goalie is going to have a substantively better save percentage in wins over losses, so I’m not sure how useful those stats are in determining streakiness. (Is that even a word? Oh well.)

The whole thing reminds me of a stat I see a lot in baseball, breaking down starting pitcher’s ERA by inning. Getting into the 6th, 7th and 8th innings, starters typically have better ERAs than in the early goings, so the old adage is to “get to them early.” But if a pitcher doesn’t have his stuff that day and gives up a bunch of runs early, he never even sees the late innings, thus guaranteeing that when he does pitch into the 7th or 8th, he’s having a pretty good game to begin with. Just seems like a tautology to me.

by J.R. Howard on May 5, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

With respect to the Devils and the Penguins, I would have picked the Penguins to win that series, just on the basis of the respective skill levels of the teams. But I wouldn’t have considered it much, if at all, of an upset if Jersey won (I picked Jersey to beat Philly, too, and we see how that worked).

As for Halak, it is true that this year he suffered at the hands of his coach (mostly in November and December, but even after he got regular work in late January, he was on (Jan 22 – Feb 4) and off (Feb 6 – Feb 13) and on (Mar 6 – Apr 3) and off (Apr 6-10). He was mostly on, but he also could string together some iffy efforts in a row, or the three-in-four sort. In the playoff series, he was on (Game 1), off (Games 2-3), and on (Game 5-7).

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by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to lay the blame entirely on Carey Price. If he only had a minor meltdown, and not “EPIC MELTDOWN ON THE BENCH!” caught on video, it’s possible Halak wouldn’t have play game 5.

Like I needed another reason to dislike Carey freaking Price.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t have it, I already laid the blame on him! :-)

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

then I blame Hal Gill!

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame Brian Boucher, too! He had to win that damn shootout! (Or conversely, blame Lunqvist for losing.)

Oh, wait, that needs to go up in the bad matchup section.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we blame Toronto for beating Montreal the last game of the season?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

no no no, but you CAN blame Toronto for not beat Montreal in regulation that night!

Actually, as I said earlier today, I blame the refs at the Feb. 10 game. Had the refs not gotten their panties in a wad about something and overturned Ovie’s goal, the following things would have happened:

1. The Caps would have won the game
2. Ovie would have won the Richard
3. MONTREAL WOULD HAVE FINISHED 9TH!

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and yes, those ALL CAPS make my argument ironclad :)

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You left out that the streak would have gone to fifteen.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and the streak would have gone to fifteen!

and I might be a little bitter than my cable was out that day and the electricity was going on and off so I had to listen to to game on my battery-powered XM. The english-language Montreal feed, no less, which screwed up “Laich” about ten times.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Toronto was doing their part to keep Montreal out of the playoffs. :P

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched that game on HNIC and all through regulation I was hoping the Leafs would win so the Habs wouldn’t get the point to make the playoffs. Then overtime came and I changed allegiances and wanted MTL win so they wouldn’t finish 8th. Sigh

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by Rather Bengt on May 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe me, I was the first passenger on the “Montreal is a crappy matchup for the Caps” Bandwagon.

It still doesn’t change the fact that the Caps were the overwhelmingly more talented and, in most respects, better team.

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by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

SDR

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It ain’t ballroom dancin’. The folks in Hershey are going to love that guy. The folks here will love him, too, in 2012-2013.

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by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 7:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we see him early because of his skill set, he’s already developed into a pest and he isn’t going to be asked to put up 30 points.

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by JSchon on May 5, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought “There’s even the outside possibility he’ll crack the Capitals lineup” next season was a bit, um, optimistic.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think its going to be 2011/2012 only because the turnover in the roster that will take place just by eyeballing.

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by JSchon on May 5, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s certainly possible, especially since he seems likely to fill the “Bradley” position. Matt Bradley is a UFA after next season. Bradley could be re-signed (he be only 32 years old), but SDR would be cheaper. I don’t think there is any rush to move him through the system, though. If he debuts in 2012, he does so at the age of 22.

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by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

so give Brads a 1-2 year deal hoping he can pass on his knowledge to SDR

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by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bradley will ask for $1.5+.

SDR will be well under a million. A lot of money in 2011/2012 need to doled out to replace a lot of players or re-sign guys more important than a 32 yr old 4th line lifer.

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by JSchon on May 5, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember that after next year, the Caps have to look at whether/at what amount to sign Brooks Laich, Mike Knuble, Karl Alzner, and the goalie twins. Laich’s sitution is most problematic in that he is a UFA after next season (so is Knuble, but he would be 39 when he skated under his next contract…I’m doubting it will be as a Cap, if he doesn’t retire).

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by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have SDR play 4th line RW if it means we have enough money to re-sign Laich and/or Knuble for 1 more year if he wants to play another than keep Bradley.

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by JSchon on May 5, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

If ever there were a candidate for a player to give a “hometown discount”, I think it would be Laich. I think it would break his heart if he had to leave here.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on this. One question, of course, is how much of a discount? I think part of that probably will be determined by the length of the contract. And a lot of it is attached to Bruce as coach, too.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reality on Laich, though, is that this is really an ideal situation for him here. If someone pays him 1st-line money and throws him in a 1st-line role, I think they’ll end up disappointed.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

To me, Brooks is a Kris Draper-type player. A guy that every championship team has to have. Someone who can play big minutes on the second or third line, kill penalties, play a leadership role in the lockerroom and be the face of the organization in the community. I’m not big on long-term deals, but given his age and durability, Laich is a guy I’d sign to a 3-4 year deal. He’d probably give the hometown discount in exchange for the years.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really wasn’t thinking of it as first-line money, though. I just hope he doesn’t get caught as a victim of the salary cap. If he has another career year, what is he worth? At least Knuble money, maybe a little more? Is it in his and the team’s interest to get him signed to an extension soon after July 1st, after this year’s free agents (particularly the RFAs) are taken care of?

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

If someone pays him 1st-line money and throws him in a 1st-line role, I think they’ll end up disappointed.

Completely agree. Laich has been getting notice among the Canadian hockey good old boy network, so I am sure there will be interest in his services. He hasn’t exactly set the world on fire when given first line minutes, and I do agree that his situation with the Caps is a perfect compliment for his skill set, but it might be his best chance at a big pay day.

Laich’s heart and mind will (hopefully) tell him to stay here, but the wallet might overrule them.

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His World Championship summer vacation may show him there’s hockey beyond Kettler/Verizon.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think by next year, we’re going to be seeing a lot of sadness around here as guys are let go. In spite of any and all faults, I think we’ve grown pretty fond of this group, even when we’re skewering them for dumb moves. And as I see Peerless just noted, we’ve got major signings to deal with next summer.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Next year is a big year. Lots of changes afoot, especially if it ends badly again.

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Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

We may lament losing certain players, but change is an absolute necessity for a team to stay competitive. The Yankees just won the World Series and made a bunch of changes to upgrade their roster. The Patriots do it all the time. Loyalty has its place, but to stay at the top GMs have to be a bit cold-hearted and I think McPhee is fully capable of doing that.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Erskine/Sloan contracts make me pause.

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by Carl Putnam on May 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why? I’m cool with McPhee rewarding loyalty.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Erskine I guess I can live with because this team has no real toughness on the blue line. Sloan? I can name you about a hundred other defensemen I’d rather have. That deal makes absolutely no sense, even if it doesn’t cost much.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

But do any of those defensemen you want play forward too?

"Ovechkin is as subtle as a shot of vodka."

by i12swim on May 5, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

A one-year deal for Bradley sounds about right. I don’t want to stop using pics of him in that fight against Minnesota and stepping in for Ovie v. Downie just yet. Maybe we get to see a little of SDR next season the same way Perrault would come up for short stints this year, and he takes over Bradley’s role in ‘11-’12.

by J.R. Howard on May 5, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit Caps. Please win a Cup next year when everyone I adore is still on the team. As it is there’s a name or two that will be moving on even this offseason, and I will be sad. At least until a month or so into the new season, when I’ll have a new bunch of Most Favoritest Players Evar.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

when I’ll have a new bunch of Most Favoritest Players Evar.

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by Sombrero Guy on May 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also love that he is making an effort to improve his skating. Can’t keep up with people to be a pest if you can’t catch them.

Need to be able to skate if you want to be an impact player (there are most certainly exceptions).

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 5, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven’t you ever seen the Mighty Ducks? They had that one guy with the booming shot that couldn’t skate.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fulton Reed?

Too bad his football coach wouldn’t let him play hockey.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I learn all my hockey from the Mighty Ducks! You can clearly bring a lasso on the ice!

(I saw the snark, I just have a loathing for those movies).

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 5, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first one I enjoyed. The next two, in the words of Bill Simmons, “never happened”

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s how I feel about the Matrix and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle franchises.

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by Sombrero Guy on May 5, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget the stretch limo out on the frozen pond

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was that before or after Goldberg farted?

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol hei s fat

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does “Heavyweights” count as a spin off of “The Mighty Ducks” since a lot of the heftier cast members were in it?

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

both, I’m pretty sure Goldberg spent half the movie farting. And I think he farted in the car after it had pulled on the ice and stopped

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember it now.

GOOLLDBERGGGGGGGG!!!!

What?!!! It wasn’t me!!!!

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

rinse and repeat x50 per movie

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think, the Capitals need a winger as well. Viktor Kozlov, for example, would be helpful in the season and even more in the playoffs.

Ah Viktor Kozlov the noted playoff performer.

What can I say I’m a JP fangirl. I will follow him into the darkest and filthiest of alleys, even the comment section at Puck Daddy.

by Malin A on May 5, 2010 7:39 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Kozlov and Poti have similar playoff records, as to say, they haven’t done a thing of note.

12 points in 35 games for Kozy.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least Poti’s given up his body in the playoffs, whereas Kozlov was a body in the playoffs.

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Not sure “get bigger and slower” is an answer.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I’m a bad person. Poti gets his eye all jacked up and I find a way to criticize him after a decent playoffs.

I don’t care.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention a broken foot last year.

It’s OK man, him and Faisal Shahzad really didn’t talk to one another.

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t have to tell me that, Papa Fedorov though that’s a completely different story.

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by Malin A on May 5, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Papa Feds is certifiably batshit insane.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

that would keep us entertained this summer.

I’ve always fund it amusing that Feds, who moved away form home at 12 years old and then defects without telling his family, and is now a very successful 40 year old with houses and cars and bling, has such a stereotypical hockey dad.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

And which winger would Kozlov replace? Mike Knuble? Don’t think so. Brooks Laich? Uh, no. Eric Fehr? Probably not. Tomas Fleischmann…well, ok.

As for the centers, in hindsight Fedorov might have been a better fit than Morrison on the merits, but if the Caps had resigned Fedorov at what it would have taken to keep him, we’re having a whole other unpleasant conversation about why it is the Caps can’t do anything in front of the net (and why they got bounced in the first round by the Bruins), because they would likely not have signed Mike Knuble or Morrison because of cap problems (Nylander still being on the books at the time).

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s good to see that dads of skilled athletes are the same no matter what country they come from. He sounds just like the parents of the kids I used to coach in soccer who’d track me down in the parking lot saying, “If you had just played my kid instead of little Joey Balboni, we’d have won the game.”

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course you had to play Balboni – the kid’s ITALIAN!!!

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

SDR

I’ll have a Farm Report writeup in a few days, but it is my sad duty to inform y’all that Delly’s junior career has come to a rather abrupt and disappointing end last night, as the Colts were swept in four straight by the Spitfires. Stefan was sitting in the sin bin (for a mundane HHT penalty) when Windsor went ahead for good.

I’m as enthusiastic as anyone for SDR’s arrival in Hershey, but I was really looking forward to watching him compete for the Memorial Cup.

But I will give credit to Windsor. They were a very strong team and really outplayed the Colts, especially the last two games.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Bears out of hibernation

Here’s a John Walton video exploring the playoff facial hair stylings of Keith Aucoin and Alexandre Giroux. If you watch carefully, there’s a Cody Eakin and Dmitry Kugryshev cameo walkthrough as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36IrXYGpsJ0

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Related: didn’t like the discussion of Kugryshev in the Bears Clips’ story. Coach says he’s out of shape and doesn’t work hard enough. Not a great first impression.

by Reckless on May 5, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking about French and the Bears but you are right, a profile is building.

by Reckless on May 5, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait for July for the third volume in “The Kugryshev Chronicles”

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the question will not be “Will Kugryshev be near puking again?” but rather “From which side of the rink is Peerless shooting it?”

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Again.”

- Herb Brooks

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

“And then?”

- Chinese Food Lady in “Dude, Where’s My Car?”

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO MORE AND THEN!!!

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This year I’ll be smart and get a spot right behind him.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gross.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on May 5, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do like the discussion of Kugryshev since we hadn’t heard anything about him from the time of his arrival in HER about two weeks ago. He has been rehabbing a back injury he sustained in the Q playoffs, and it is good news that his back is healthy enough for him to skate in a practice now.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Mecca is in that direction.

(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)

by oldemystix on May 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

For the record, Remparts coach Roy may have reached similar conclusions, as he had his team skating “Les Herbies” prior to their playoff run.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

From @RusHockeyFans

Olli Jokinen to sign with Dynamo Minsk.

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

What a failure that guy was in the NHL.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No question. He was Mr. Trade Deadline Piece for a while there.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a long time, he had played the most games in the NHL without a playoff appearance. Might hold the record there for games played before first playoff game.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also Mr. Big Infant Head

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is one fugly dude.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

With, at times, the most bizarre ’stache in pucks (Carcillo included).

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s bizarre because infants usually don’t have moustaches!

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a good picture of Kesler either...

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets do this again.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

He kinda looked like a mixture of John Malkovich and an old west gunfighter.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fist in sight, they just want to wrestle.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least Skeletor's wife is kinda cute

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 5, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

She must have a strong mothering instinct.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looks photoshopped, even if it isn’t

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 5, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

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by Sombrero Guy on May 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cue 7 year, $44m offer for Marleau (by Slats) in 3…2…

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 5, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully, SJ will be playing a little longer at the expense of Detroit.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jokinen could be involved in the most one-sided trades of any player in NHL history

  • 24 June 2000 – Jokinen and Roberto Luongo traded to Florida in exchange for Oleg Kvasha and Mark Parrish
  • 20 June 2008 – Jokinen traded to Phoenix in exchange for Keith Ballard, Nick Boynton and a second-round draft pick in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft. The draft pick was 49th overall going to Florida.
     
  • March 4, 2009 – Jokinen traded to the Calgary Flames along with a third-round pick from Phoenix for Matthew Lombardi, Brandon Prust and a first-round draft pick in either 2009 or 2010 to be chosen by Calgary.

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However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Jokinen can generate these kinds or returns, has to make you wonder what Semin might command in a trade.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

PHX flipped Prust to NYR for Dawes and Prucha, correct?

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never mind that…i’m retarded.

Prust went to NYR from Calgary with Jokinen in the Higgins/Kotalik deal.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m retarded being silly at the moment

FTFY

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by red army line on May 5, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry for any offense.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s cool. I’m not personally offended, but others could be (and then me by extension, I guess).

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by red army line on May 5, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good. No chance of him coming here.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

McPhee hates Finns, so I think we were safe anyway.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Esa Tikkannen gave him a pretty good reason to

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

why do you say McPhee hates Finn’s? First I’m hearing of it.

by The Jade Donkey on May 5, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hated Finn’s what? His looks?

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on May 5, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a little joke. He traded the only two Finns in the system over the last year or so.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m aware, I was just poking fun at The Jade Donkey’s misuse of the apostrophe.

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on May 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was just explaining to him.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

Maybe he just hates Steven Finn?

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s how bad the Nords were in 1991. Finn was co-captain with Joe Sakic.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 5, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The team’s associate coach that year: Jacques Martin

And the roster was true motley crew of who’s who of the hockey world: Sakic, Guy Lafleur, Mats Sundin, Owen Nolan, Tony McKegney, the late Bryan Fogarty, Tony Twist, Tony Hrkac and as starting goalie Ron Tugnutt

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 5, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also a who’s who of hilarious names. Ha ha ha…Ron

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on May 5, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only way I remember Finn was from an early 90s edition of Rock Em Sock Em Hockey where on the blooper section Finn just picked up the puck with his hands in the middle of play and threw it off the ice.

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

No wonder he was co-C for the Nords. Leadership by example obviously.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 5, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Semin tried that once

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paenkt6wNrk

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by Sombrero Guy on May 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome video.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

an underappreciated sasha semin gem.

by Natty Bumppo on May 5, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a firing offense for GMGM, no?

Sig temporarily on hiatus to ease the pain.

by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He just so happens to be a C, and we need a C. I want no parts of Joke-inen

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just Say No to Jokinen. Hell No. Overrated. Like old incontinent folks, NHL players go to Florida to (watch their careers) die.

by The Jade Donkey on May 5, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jussi Jokinen is kinda cheap and might make a good depth wing if Semin and Flash are both gone. He’s UFA in 2011, same as Semin.

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by red army line on May 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s going to get paid pretty well by somebody.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

He usually seems to play well against us.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 5, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad if GMGM does. Would have loved to see Jere Lehtinen in a Caps sweater at some point.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 5, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The KHL: the league where un-motivated, underperforming, overpaid and over-the-hill Europeans go to play out the rest of their careers.

by b.orr4 on May 5, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

… once they’re done stinking up Manhattan.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me Ovie has no desire to jump ship and go to the KHL, especially if the NHL doesn’t allow its players to participate in the Sochi Olympics. I’d hate to think Sir Greatness will abort his NHL career in his prime to join this glorified beer, I mean vodka, league.

The KHL clique and the favoritism shown their players by Team Russia’s coach is IMO the main reason for their flameout in Vancouver.

by Ovietracker on May 7, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That might be the funniest .gif file I’ve ever seen.

4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...

by JSchon on May 5, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Related to Jokinen and Calgary, from Lambert’s twitter feed:

calgary has taken 34 players in the last five drafts, and they’ve played a combined total of 48 NHL games, & mikael backlund has 24 of those

How in the world does Darryl Sutter still have a job?

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sutter has replaced Don Waddell at the top of the worst GM’s in the league list.

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by Carl Putnam on May 5, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kris Chucko FTW!!!

However long the night, the dawn will break again

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 5, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even JFJ had a better track record at the draft, just ask Boston

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 5, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

That .gif never gets old.

John Carlson - Glory follows him.

by boutros23 on May 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll mail the KHL this then

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 5, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another classic. What an incredible source of derision the NHL is losing…

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to grow weed in space. I wonder how it would grow? Would the massive amounts of radiation alter it, and if so, into what? I need to know. Would imbibing it reveal a black monolith full of stars? When will NASA run that experiment? Does Canada even have a space program?

by The Jade Donkey on May 5, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Name’s a reference to a line from Trailer Park Boys

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I watched that like 3 weeks ago on netflix instant viewing. I don’t remember that line, though. Granted, twas not a sober viewing moment, still… I liked it for the most part, but some of the cliches werre a little much. Like the hot stripper who just moved to town and falls for his buddy, who has zero charm, is an excon, has no money, and lives in a trialer park. I don’t know about you, but all the strippers I stalked were interested in guys with money who frequented strip clubs, not the guys that nursed one drink for 3 hours and had no job.

Then there are the girls that date the bouncers or DJ. Always a happy couple. Happy couples don’t take kindly to stalking. Or night vision goggles.

by The Jade Donkey on May 5, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about you, but all the strippers I stalked were interested in guys with money who frequented strip clubs, not the guys that nursed one drink for 3 hours and had no job.

Maybe the movie was being ironic for the sake of comedy.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, happens all the time in movies and scriptwriting. I saw The Wrestler on HBO. They made a big deal out of the movie, and I liked Rourke, but the hooker with a heart of gold cliche was a bit much. In Trailer Park Boys they needed another girl (so they thought), added another hooker and had her inexplicably fall for someone she has no reason to fall for, because thats what the script says she does, not what the character would actually do. Shoddy writing, thats all.

by The Jade Donkey on May 5, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, ok.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

his agent is saying he’s definitely not going to KHL

by Sjomin on May 5, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got Feb. 10 circled on my calendar as “The Night The Hockey Gods Screwed The Caps.” things could have turned out so different.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Dont know about the rest of you

but i’m ready to sink my teeth into todays rink wrap…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on May 5, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Ironic choice of phrases, given today’s victim, err, subject.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep, not an accident. i almost posted that yesterday totally forgetting about who was next. duh.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

its time already?
Its like a daily beating.
We should be 3 games into the 2nd round today.

by The Jade Donkey on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only 26 minutes until your daily flogging.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aww i missed the Flogging :(

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or is our flogging a seasonal thing? Being made to watch the Penguins advance in post season every year while the Devils and Caps don’t advance.

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by CapsFan75 on May 5, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Onto the morning readings.
Why do they keep bothering Fedorov’s ole man? Are there no guards at the nursing home? How can you take anything the guy says seriously? He suggested we get Kozlov for the playoffs. Did’t we try that already? How did it go? Hard to remember, I don’t recall him doing anything special? I wonder why that is? Perhaps space weed. Oh wait, its becuase he didn’t actually do anything.
Leave the alzheimer patients alone.

Semin ain’t getting traded until the trade deadline, and if he does go before, its to NY.
After all these years, dude has learned little to no english. The NHL is a short term stop, KHL money troubles or not. He’s got one more year with the Caps. If he has a center and linemates that can compete, and ones that don’t go through Bruce’s revolving door, he’ll be fine.

by The Jade Donkey on May 5, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

don’t really want to encourage this type of play, but I wonder if something like this might have thrown Halak off his game?

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Fehr would like a word…

by DrinkingPartner on May 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Fehr, who’s that?

Signed,
B.B.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Our third line right winger and, if someone’s injured ahead of him, our 2nd line right winger, and if most of the fans here have their way, our 2nd line right winger for next year.

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by CapsFan75 on May 5, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do really want to encourage that type of play and wonder the same.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m almost positive thats the only contact Kozlov initiated in a Caps jersey, and it was that one time.

by The Jade Donkey on May 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty significant contact. He was very physical in the playoffs that year.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to encourage the Knuble/Laich/Fehr/Chimera style of play too, but above I was thinking more the Sasha on the Shootout style of play

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by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Awesome.

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by J.P. on May 5, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

toepickin’ right into Turco…..only Sasha.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

whatever legal (or semi-legal) method it takes to get Halak off his game I would have gone for.

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by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but I’m pretty sure that 10 out of 10 times right now they’re calling it a penalty. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many goalie interference calls.

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, the puck went in before he railed Lundqvist.

Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned

by jordanDC on May 5, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Faulty memory, then. Doesn’t matter, it would still get called. It’s the Caps [wearing the tin foil hat].

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by gfcaps fan on May 5, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The bigger question is why is anyone interested in anything Sergei Fedorov’s father has to say? Since when is he an authority on anything related to hockey, especially what the Caps don’t have and he thinks they need? Someone send him a case of vodka to shut up.

by Ovietracker on May 7, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Caps want to trade Semin they will wait until the deadline. He’ll put up some good numbers during the regular season to increase his value. Right now post-playoffs where he did nothing the Caps will get exactly that for him—nothing.

by Ovietracker on May 7, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good for Hockey?
"I just want to be a pest out there, try to get their good players off their game," Della Rovere revealed. "Give ’em a little shove after the whistle – nothing too noticeable to the refs – maybe say something…that’s my game."

I love that the Caps are the walking contradiction to the longstanding idea that this type of player has a place in the league, and that if you don’t have one or a few on your team, you are somehow giving up something significant… besides more penalty kills.

I was hoping that it was a franchise type mantra that this type of player is not valued as much as it is by other organizations. When it comes down to it, I don’t have as much of a problem with Avery and Downie (even though they are both absolutely mental) as I do guys like Koci and Janssen, guys who are literally useless outside of being a tough guy.

And as long as SDR can contribute without relying on that aspect of the game, I don’t have an issue, but I am just a little leery of this type of quote. And, to be honest, since I have the feeling that we do categorically devalue this type of player, it makes him ripe for a trade.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

And, to be honest, since I have the feeling that we do categorically devalue this type of player, it makes him ripe for a trade.

Really? I see far more people saying that they can’t wait for SDR because of that chippy attitude than I do saying that he should be traded for it. So many J.R. posters (me included) up his value because he brings something the Caps don’t have.

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 5, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, and I think I fall on the other side of it. I see Knuble and what he does for the team, and to a lesser extent Fehr, and I want. We need more of that grit in front of the net during play. But what I quoted above… the type of player who actually goes on the ice and part of his gameplan is to pest, which admittedly has some benefit, doesn’t appeal to me. Sure, once and a while you drag their stars to the box with you, but it usually just ends up in your team going down a man too often. It’s something I certainly don’t think we need.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And when I say “has benefit”… I definitely don’t mean net benefit. My point is these guys are a net loss. It looks like they are benefiting the team when they occasionally draw a call or goad the other team into doing something stupid, or “fires the guys up!” by winning a fight, but in reality they are taking stupid penalties and not focusing on more important aspects of the game.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not disagreeing with the premise that there are better types of players or that a pest can harm a team. Merely with the statement that he gets devalued because of the pest factor; I feel like it’s quite the opposite here at the Rink.

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 5, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure. But I would argue that the “pest” as an archetype will basically be extinct in 10 or 20 years, because people will realize that scoring goals is more important than shoving guys after the whistle to draw a call 20 minutes later. There’s so little value in it. GMGM is progressive and shrewd as far as GMs go, and he strikes me as just the kind to lead the way for the league by example by simply not signing these types of players.

You can feel free to think we need a pest, I would definitely disagree though. As long as we have a couple defenders like Brads, I think that covers our “tough guy” allotment.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope SDR ends up being more of the Bradley, Chimera, Walker style of player (but score more than those guys average), without becoming like a Knopka or Janssen

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by Elliotte on May 5, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would suck if SDR became a Knopka. Stecks in particular would suffer.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is neither big enough nor stupid enough to become a Knopka.

by Karl W on May 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delly’s teammates would skate through fire for him. I don’t think you can say that about David Konopka.

SDR is a smart guy and wants to win hockey games. He has a pretty good (not elite) scoring touch, but he thrives along the boards and in the corners. He’s really good at making time and space for the true skill guys to do their thing.

And he knows how to get his opponents off their game, plus he’ll drop ’em if need be.

He will certainly take the AHL by storm, and I hope he gets more than a couple of cups of coffee with the Caps.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is definitely the least skilled player to make the Canadian World Junior team — two years in a row. That says a lot about him right there.

by Karl W on May 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

His playoff performance this year was epic. Eight goals and most of them Fehr-style just-what-the-team-needed clutch goals.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

YNC, I think we definitely need another interview of him (and the other prospects as well).

by Karl W on May 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he’s on the right side of the line that pests usually walk. I definitely don’t know him as a player like you do, so I now I am more excited to see him. That quote in the article just caught my eye.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a rather stupid quote. If he has a control problem it seems to be with his mouth — witness the fury over the alleged racial comments (or whatever) to that dude in the playoffs. He’ll do well with some time in Hershey with some of the vets there. But considering he was a 7th round draft choice, anything he can do for the Caps is all gravy.

by Karl W on May 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I missed the racial comments, he was calling someone names? Hahaha. Well, to really get to the heart of the matter, I don’t really care what he does (minus any possible racial slurs..) as long as plays hard and doesn’t take stupid penalties. It’s just that that type of player and dumb penalties seem to go hand in hand.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zenon?

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

by HBK on May 5, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, Zenon. I think I was creating some Steckelnopka mashup.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Konopka can hold his own. He’s awesome at faceoffs and fights too. Throw in a bit less fighting and more solid Dzone play and that’s a good player right there.

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by red army line on May 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I now feel bad for including Konopka (or any other player) in comparisons with our prospect. It was out of place and uncalled for.

Stefan’s merits (and de-merits) stand on their own without needing to denigrate other players.

I am looking forward to the Della Rovere Era.

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

who said the caps feel this type of player has no place in the league? i think the caps feel that having a 4 minute per game guy who’s only value is dropping the mitts has no place in the league. i dont feel the caps have disdain for such players, i just feel that they want to make sure all of their players can contribute in some way to playing their system.

chimera, brads, and walker all play a tough game although i wouldnt call them agitators. i think we’ve seen that guys like crosby, malkin and gaborik can get off their game when being bothered by such guys.

if all SDR can do is give face washes and kidney punches after the whistle, then he’s not going to be much use to us. if, like avery and downey, he’s got some game outside of that then i think he’d bring a valuable element to the team.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on May 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that’s what I’m saying. I don’t mind if he turns out like Chim or Brads, that would be best case. Neither of those guys go looking to be a pest on a nightly basis as part of their routine. They are tough when they need to be tough. And they Caps make the statement by their roster that you don’t need an Avery-type to be successful in the league.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldnt mind having a player who plays with a bit more edge and can agitate the other guys top players. the problem is, guys like that are typically psycho’s (avery, downey, cooke) who cand end up hurting you through stupid penalties and reputation almost as much as they can help you.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on May 5, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea. You summed up what I’m trying to say. Without having any real evidence, I feel those guys hurts teams more than they help, in general.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on May 5, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love that the Caps are the walking contradiction to the longstanding idea that this type of player has a place in the league

The Caps aren’t contradicting anything with their playoff performances.

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on May 5, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

RMNB, good job transcribing that Green interview!

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Occasionally I check out the CBS Message Boards. There’s a nice thread going with some pretty good hockey jokes. I don’t know if you’ve heard them all before—I certainly haven’t.

Link

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by red army line on May 5, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

For perspective on why it is still awesome to be a Caps/Bears fan, read this:

http://www.litterboxcats.com/2010/5/4/1452875/players-leaving-the-panthers

by EmilyB on May 5, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

they do really good work at LBC. Such a shame the Panthers organization seems so bloody dysfunctional.

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re pretty lucky, aren’t we? Our current owner is almost universally loved, and the guy before that wasn’t too bad either. Not to mention some well-regarded GMs in our history.

by CapitalCentre on May 5, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Karl Alzner might not agree so whole-heartedly.

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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on May 5, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same can be said for Dominek over at Lighthouse Hockey as well.

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by Carl Putnam on May 5, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

let’s have a “ranking the SBN bloggers” fanpost!

by Natty Bumppo on May 5, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve actually mulled it over in my head but I don’t think it would be well-received. It would be taken as a shot at some of the other bloggers (and in some cases it might actually be).

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 5, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean Canes Country wouldn’t take kindly to our assessment that their ability to evaluate anyone objectively is the equivalent of Flash in the playoffs?

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by RedBirdie on May 5, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll stick up for Cory here. While they were a bit overoptimistic going into this season, no one thought they would be as bad as they were during the 1st half. As for the other person at Canes Country, my feelings on him are well known.

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by Carl Putnam on May 5, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t think any animus is directed at Cory. He at least had the stones to come over here and defend his position like an adult.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 5, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was a bill o’reilly quality call out.

by Natty Bumppo on May 5, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is one glaring omission on that list. Unless “big red chewing gum” is a clever nickname for Flash. Actually, that works quite well – he’s a soft ginger that gets chewed up in the grind of the playoffs.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 5, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

flash is almost too easy nowadays. honestly, thinking about him just makes me sad.

by Natty Bumppo on May 5, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking about his ice time just makes me sad.

You’re right, he is too easy. I’ll try to leave the poor guy alone.

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on May 5, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if GMGM and staff reverse ship on fleischmann this summer, i’ll perk right back up. but it’s like i’ve completely exhausted my anger by yelling at the TV screen at this point.

by Natty Bumppo on May 5, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Amazing job.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 5, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

the alternative: you can make a “best of the best” fanpost, just detailing your 5-15 favorites and why you like them. the omissions will be obvious without calling attention to them.

by Natty Bumppo on May 5, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s the best way to do it. I know what my list is but I’m sure everyone has their own list.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 5, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go for it.

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by Chris Burton on May 5, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, the Oilers comparison is incredible. I discarded the quotes because I think everyone says the exact same thing after a game, but the facts are hard to ignore. Maybe we’re missing Ovechkin’s Messier…Iginla?

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by Chaz-Capapalooza on May 5, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I would love Iginla …. He was amazing in the olympics … he doesn’t quit …EVER

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