Tuesday Caps Clips: Mike Green Speaks
by J.P. on May 4, 2010 6:30 AM EDT
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- Mike Green ducked the media on getaway day last Friday, but fielded questions yesterday, which is... something. [Caps365 (video), CI, CSN Washington, DCEx, Dump n' Chase,]
- Green also took some one-on-one time with Mike Vogel... [Caps365 (video)]
- ... and Vogs offers his take on the Norris Finalist's 2009-10 season. [Capitals]
- A look at your key dates for the summer. [CI]
- Nicklas Backstrom has guts. Still working on the "glory" part. [TSN]
- Larry Brooks weighs in in the aftermath of the Caps' collapse. [NYPost]
- Wilbon dumps on the Caps. Shocker. [WaPo, Bog (actually two separate dumps... sweet)]
- Follow-up to that second one. [Steinberg]
- The new "Meet The Press" set rocks a bit o' red. [Bog]
- Alex Ovechkin: still better than Sidney Crosby? One brave Canadian makes the argument. [Sun]
- Could/should the Caps be interested in Dan Ellis? No thanks. [The Hockey News]
- Hasta la vista, Jose Theodore, Brendan Morrison and Shaone Morrisonn? Sounds about right. [Edmonton Journal]
- In search of a second-line center. [A Capital Offense]
- Playing the roster game. [Homer McFanboy]
- A closer look at Stefan Della Rovere. [Rink Rebel]
- Joel Broda returns to Tri-City. [Flames]
- Weak imitation of a great old logo. [Moose Jaw Times Herald]
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If the Caps are going to go outside the organization for a second line center, I’d prefer Koivu if the Caps go for someone from the Capital Offense article. I’d also throw Lombardi’s name into the mix as someone who could play there for the year and given Perreault another year to develop.
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Is Koivu really that much of an upgrade over BMo at this point?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
He put up 10 more points without the same offensive talent around him. Other than that, they’re similar size, and Koivu’s FO% was .2% better. Not a significant upgrade, but an upgrade nonetheless.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 4, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Morrison was pretty awful for 3 months since the beginning of Dec on, and was pretty average after that. I do not want to see that again next season.
We need to stop hacking around bringing in bargains from the retread heap and either give the gig to a youngster and live with the results or stop f-ing around and get a legitimate solution at the 2C position, it will change a lot of things, for the better.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
I don’t mind the idea of trading for Bergeron as was discussed in the Iginla for Semin FanPost. I think he’d be a good fit for the Caps 2C woes.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 4, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Bergeron? The guy who put up 52 points this year and will make 5.75 next year? Plus, with his history of head injuries, the guy is one good plug away from being gone for good. Not that anyone isn’t, but the risk with him is pretty elevated.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
But that risk is over one year. It’s a one year of Semin-for-one year of Bergeron swap.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
But Semin gives you great defense, and much, MUCH more offensively, him being batshit insane sometimes aside.
I’m not sure i’m on the “trade Semin now!!!!!!!” bandwagon as of yet. Give the guy an actual center to work with instead of the puu puu platter he’s been given, and let’s see what else he can do.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Bergeron made team Canada, and it wasn’t for his good looks.
A good defensive center is always inherently more valuable than a good defensive winger.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on May 4, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does that change at all if the good defensive winger scores 40 goals and a point per game?
Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned
Does that change at all if the good defensive center helps his linemates each score 5 more goals than they would have otherwise?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Bergeron made team Canada
So did Dan Boyle.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The point is that Bergeron is excellent defensively.
He wasn’t on that team for his scoring prowess.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
The point is that Bergeron is excellent defensively.
So is Alexander Semin. He also pots 40 a year, which Bergeron doesn’t do.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
And? It doesn’t help if he’s a 2C who can’t create offense and has no one to set up, like an Alexander Semin. His career high in assists is 48, and that was the year before he got his concussion.
Speaking of which, Alexander Semin has 45 and 44 assists the last two years.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ve got these guys Brooks Laich and Eric Fehr who can score a little.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
It’s not like Bergeron’s wings will be devoid of talent. Some combination of Flash/Fehr/Laich/Chimera are probably on those wings, right?
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
None of whom provide the offense one Alexander Semin does. And Bergeron isn’t going to turn any of those guys into 40 goal scorers, which pretty much negates the point of trading Semin for him in the first place.
The value you get for Bergeron’s defense and lack of offense isn’t worth what you would give up in Semin.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Bergeron is 3C in Boston, right? Behind Savard and Krejci? I think in this system he’s close to a point-per-game. He doesn’t have the game-changing ability of Semin, but I like his (to my eyes) consistency (admittedly the only Bs games I watch are national TV ones). In terms of raw production, seems like you lose a bit offensively, lose a bit defensively, but C>W. I guess I (and others) weight the fact that Bergeron plays C (and can shift to W if needed, IIRC) more than you.
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Bergeron isn’t giving anything up defensively. They’re both top-flight in their own ends and excellent at puck posession.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’s a C with no one like Semin to set up or play with, what’s the point?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
For one, there’s no onus on Bergeron to score goals. He merely has to pass, win draws, and be defensively solid. When playing against a PIT, for example, and C going against C, then that becomes valuable, since Semin isn’t the one covering Malkin or Crosby—it’s the C with the D. And I guess looking at the SCC as far back as I can remember, they look solid down the middle. PIT of course, Detroit, Anaheim, Carolina, Tampa, and so on.
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Even though there’s no onus, he scored 19 for BOS this year playing in Julien’s defensive system on the 3rd line, shooting under 8% at even strength. He’d put up goals in this system and he’d put up points.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
If Semin doesn’t score in the playoffs, what’s the point of his 40 goals?
I’m not sure why you think Bergeron can only be good with a world class winger. Sure, the Caps may lose a bit of scoring (although when you look at EV scoring that drop is probably significantly smaller), but so what? I only care about which player makes the team better for the playoffs.
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by Killer_Carlson on May 4, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are missing the point here. The 2nd line was too soft to fight through Montreal’s collective defense, undersized forwards and marquee defensemen. Putting Bergeron, complete with a history of concussion issues, as the 2nd line pivot does not do any good for the playoffs, it just enhances the regular season. Big whoop. The Caps need to add size and muscle. If you aren’t going to do that, and just plug the hole with another question mark, you’re doomed to repeat history. The fix is obvious, there needs to be more physical prowess on the 2nd line to complement the less physical elements on the wings. That’s the center they need.
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they are big and physical enough.
They need a 2C to take the pressure off the 1 line offensively. If they don’t, they’re just a one line team.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
The Caps are one of the biggest teams in the league, I’m not sure how they can add more size.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
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by J.P. on May 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Why didn’t I think of that?
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C. Cooley
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on May 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not my bag, baby!
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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
You sound like a man who has been frustrated in his search for such a product.
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I wanna dip my balls in it.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on May 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no no no no, they are one of the tallest teams in the league, not the biggest. Steckel is not a physical force. Flash is not. Semin is not. BMorrison wan’t. Belanger wasn’t. Gordon wasn’t. Fehr isn’t. Schultz isn’t. Pothier wasn’t. Poti isn’t. Green isn’t. ShoMo is decent but he’s a mediocre blueliner at best. This is NOT a physical team.
Ov is. Bradley is. Chimera is. Backstrom is tough, but doesn’t play a physical game like the other guys.
They’re tall. Don’t buy into this ‘biggest team’ bullshit. They’re tall. Thats it. Montreal outplayed them physically. MONTREAL.
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re one of the biggest by weight, too.
Excuse me for being confused by:
The Caps need to add size and muscle.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
great. Big and heavy with marshmallow centers. they’re milky way bars.
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
So what you want is more physicality, more sandpaper?
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
for the love of god, yes! To play the Caps you should have to pay a physical price and there is no such price being paid. Montreal walked into game 5 feeling far to good about being down 3-1. If they had been physically assaulted for 4 straight games, game 5 would have been less motivating for them. Its been like this for years. There has never been a replacement for Witt, and i hated that guy; but Witt hit people hard. At one point, Klee and WItt led the NHL in hits. When you played the Caps, you paid for it. From the top line to the bottom defensive pairing, they played physical and hard. Now, we’ve got softer guys that don’t do that and it has to stop. Get a big, imposing 2nd line center, put him with Semin on the LW and Fehr on the right. Fehr is not Physical, he has a great stick and steals pucks left and right, but he doesn’t have the shoulder strength, nor the upper body strength, to be a punisher. He isn’t going to be imposing anyone with his checks, and neither is Semin. you put another guy like that in the middle, you are asking for a line that gets beaten by physical teams. Boston and Philly. SJ and even Chicago. Detroit. Nashville. NJ. on and on. Its about the playoffs, not the regular season. I can’t stress that enough. This is an ongoing issue that just isn’t being resolved properly and it stems from the Caps not paying for the right talent.
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
But then size isn’t the issue. Mentality is. Scott Walker is smaller than Flash (and a lot of other Caps) but would have been a much better lineup addition. Size is irrelevant. Mind set is where you need to be looking.
I waited all year for this?
by Rob Parker on May 4, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From 1985-1998, the Caps were probably one of the toughest teams to play against in the league.
Defensemen like Langway and Stevens used to patrol our blueline, while up front, guys like Konowalchuk, Hunter, and Kaminski provided forward grit.
How many Cups did that win?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Milky Ways don’t have marshmallow. They have nougat.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends. Most nougat is pretty chewy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
..
In the world of marshmallow/chocolate based treats, I believe you’re looking for either the Mallo Cup
Or the Mallomar
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m pretty sure Steckels insides are filled up with 6’5’’ of this stuff.
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Double That’s what she said
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
We weren’t dominated by the small Habs because we weren’t physical enough. We were dominated because we weren’t smart enough and didn’t play with enough fire. Size isn’t the answer. Have you watched any of the BOS playoffs? Bergeron has looked pretty damn good. He’s nowhere near as flashy as Semin but he’s more well-rounded and more reliable.
I waited all year for this?
Putting Bergeron, complete with a history of concussion issues, as the 2nd line pivot does not do any good for the playoffs, it just enhances the regular season.
I fail to see the logical connection between Bergeron’s concussion issues and an inability to play in the playoffs.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Now, I don’t want to go and get too anecdotal or anything, but Bergeron is having an awesome playoffs right now.
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by Rob Parker on May 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Both of whom have at least another week before they can work on their golf tans….
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by iwearstripes on May 4, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
There are many reasons to trade Semin, but I think the most important is the fact that he’s a luxury on this team and he’s already rejected a long-term contract.
He’s either gone this off-season or next off-season.
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See, I’m not convinced he’s a “luxury”. The guy puts up 40 a year (which not a lot of people do), and is great defensively. Put those two together, and the guy is a top 10-15 player, which i’m not sure Bergeron is.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Semin isn’t a top 10-15 player. He could be, but he’s not. I’m not even sure it’s that close. If you exclude goalies there are easily 20 other guys I’d rather have than Semin. I also dispute that Semin is “great” defensively. He can be great defensively, but doesn’t bring that every game (just like his offense). Bergeron isn’t a top 20 player either but he fills some serious holes on our team in a way that Semin doesn’t. Flashy beautiful goal scoring is not a hole we need filled.
I waited all year for this?
If the Caps do promote from within to plug gaps, how are all HER holes gonna be filled?
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by J.P. on May 4, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
It was a rather crude, juvenile running joke that apparently whiffed.
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Seen the man kill penalties? I beg to differ on his defensive acumen.
To bottom line this, with two players who are comparable defensively, i’m taking the guy who is much, much better offensively. And as i’ve been over, if you put him with average wingers, they’re going to stay average. We don’t NEED a 2C that’s simply a defensive specialist.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Bergeron isn’t simply a defensive specialist, but I don’t even care to argue that point.
Seen the man kill penalties? I beg to differ on his defensive acumen
I didn’t realize you had joined the Semin Lobby. Classic tactic. I didn’t say he’s not good defensively, I said he’s not consistent with it. Of course I’ve seen him PK, look who you’re asking. I also saw him fail to clear the puck about 10 minutes into game 5 when the Caps were dominating. MON scored on the ensuing PP and the entire tide of that game turned. That was possibly the turning point of the series in retrospect, but I wouldn’t expect the Semin Lobby to acknowledge that. I’ve also seen, and commented on, countless neutral zone turnovers, forced passes, and other bone headed defensive plays on his part. That’s why I qualify his defensive acumen.
I waited all year for this?
So one play in a playoff series, plus several plays that you have “seen and commented on” now force you to “qualify his defensive acumen”. Gotcha.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the point is that Semin’s defense – like his offense – is inconsistent and therefore unreliable. When he’s good at either end of the ice, he’s pretty fantastic. But when he’s not…
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PROVE IT!
Where is your sample size? You can’t prove he’s not consistent at both ends of the ice, he scored 40 goals!
I waited all year for this?
He’s been more consistent this season defensively I think, but he’s still maddening.
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by red army line on May 5, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious? Has this place really become an esoteric stat nerd haven? Am I not allowed to comment qualitatively on fucking hockey now? I can’t explain what actually happens on the ice, this has to be math club?
We’ve discussed Semin’s problems for years. Nothing has changed. I used the MON example because it was recent and poignant. I could go back and talk about those two Devils games. Or the NYI game in October. Or countless other examples of Bad Sasha. Trending Sasha means something for a reason. Why is this all of a sudden controversial?
I waited all year for this?
Has this place really become an esoteric stat nerd haven?
Was there a time where it wasn’t?
Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned
Where did he say you couldn’t comment qualitatively on hockey? Where did he insist you use esoteric stats? There is nothing wrong with using statistics to back up on-ice observations. I would say it is a hallmark of this site.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on May 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The entire point that discounts observations from what actually happened on ice is right from the “don’t use your eyes!” school of thought. It’s not like I’m pulling one anecdote on a discussion we haven’t had a million times before. Re-read YLM’s response:
So one play in a playoff series, plus several plays that you have "seen and commented on" now force you to "qualify his defensive acumen". Gotcha.
It’s pretty dismissive of observational evidence, and completely ignores the entire history of the Semin discussion. He characterizes my position as some ass hat who saw one play and is drawing conclusions. I’d like to think I have more credibility than that and that I don’t have to re-hash 2+ years of boneheaded Semin plays to make the point that he is prone to terrible defensive lapses and isn’t the kind of guy you nominate for a Selke. Plus, by the nature of it, you’re not going to get advanced stats that even address the issue.
I waited all year for this?
by Rob Parker on May 4, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But the premise you are still missing, IMO, is that you need the #2 line to be built around a C, not around a RW. We NEED depth down the middle a lot more than we need depth on the wings. THAT is why Bergeron would be an upgrade over semin (again, IMO).
Lets look at a hypothetical #2 line using this years stats:
Brooks + BMo + Semin = 77 goals
Brooks + Bergeron + Fehr = 65 goals
I would definitely take that 2nd group over that first group, and you are only giving up 12 goals
Of course then you have to replace Fehr’s goals from the 3rd line. Using how many goals a “line” would produce in the regular season means jack. I want to know how many they’ll score in key times come April.
I’m not on the trade Semin bandwagon yet myself. I’ve seen the guy play 2 good playoff series, and 2 bad ones. The 2 bad ones just happen to be the 2 more recent ones. I don’t think Semin’s perceived inconsistently (it’s there, but not as big a negative as some people make it out to be imo) or his performance in this year’s playoffs are as big a factor in the “need” to trade him as the value he could bring back and his lack of a long term contract are.
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by Davethecapsfan on May 4, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Caps can afford to shed ~20 goals if it means reliable scoring in the playoffs (and not the lack thereof).
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by red army line on May 5, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Between two guys with similar defensive abilities I’ll take the center who brings it consistently, game in game out over the winger who can’t rely on dominating like he can on any given night. Lot of good those 40 goals did against the Habs. Or the Pens.
Plus, looking at even strength production (where you are likely to see the biggest drop off in production on the Caps – with the talent on the Caps PP Bergeron and others should be able to replace much of Semin’s production there), the drop off is not huge. Semin had 55 EV pts and Bergeron had 42. That’s despite the fact that Bergeron was playing in a much more defensive system with much less talent.
The Caps can afford to take a small hit offensively in order to improve their consistency and depth down the middle.
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by Killer_Carlson on May 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you that Bergeron for Semin would be an upgrade but I’ll reiterate that there is no way that happens.
I waited all year for this?
Disagree. Both have one year left on their contract. Both are about the same age. Boston needs scoring. Washington needs a center. The salaries are close enough for government work.
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Nobody would ever trade Semin for one year of anything! Kessel gets traded for first round draft picks and you talk about Semin for Bergeron?
Ice Breakers>Goal Shakers....THE CAPS !!
You do realize that Semin has turned down a long-term contract offer from the Caps and that, after we re-sign Backstrom, Fehr and (sigh) Flash, there won’t be any money left over to sign Semin the following year?
Bottom line: I don’t think we can re-sign Semin. I don’t want to see him walk for nothing.
Also, Kessel was an RFA with club control years remaining. Semin will be a UFA after next year.
Please think, or at least do a modicum of research before posting here.
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So Semin is on the outs after next year,seemingly.Bergeron too has an expiring contract.I would think there could be a few teams Semin would agree to be traded to and be extended who could provide us a little bit of a better return than Bergeron.The situation isn’t all that different.And if you are trading him for Bergeron your more or less trading him for nothing,we need that second line center to feed Semin.
Ice Breakers>Goal Shakers....THE CAPS !!
You’re not trading him for nothing; you’re trading him for a more important position and a more well-rounded player.
I waited all year for this?
I don’t buy it.If Im tradind Semin its for pieces we can use and keep.
Ice Breakers>Goal Shakers....THE CAPS !!
If it’s a piece we can keep it’s a young guy that won’t help much now (or a draft pick). If it’s a guy we can use now it’s not a guy we are going to be able to keep.
I waited all year for this?
caught between a rock and a hard place.The possibilities are endless other pieces could be moved.Nobody knows what will end up with Semin but I think he sticks around till he hits UFA.
Ice Breakers>Goal Shakers....THE CAPS !!
I’m not even sure what your original argument was, but you have completely devolved from it. I don’t even know what we’re talking about now.
I waited all year for this?
I just dont think Semin for Bergeron accomplishes anything.You gain a center and lose the guy your getting him to help.You lose a guy who puts up 40 goals without a solid 2C and gain a 2C who wont make up nearly the production you just lost and he doesn’t have that talent around him anymore.It just doesn’t make sence.
Ice Breakers>Goal Shakers....THE CAPS !!
And a guy that would get more points than that playing with the Caps’ system and talent. Claude Julien definitely depresses offensive numbers with his system.
Before you throw the converse out there, that Julien inflates defensive numbers, Bergeron was the best defensive forward on the team and has a legitimate case for Selke this season. He was also the best offensive forward on the team by GVT, played against the highest QualComp on the team and lead the team in Corsi differential. Guy is really damn good and he’s a center.
It’s not like Semin is the most durable player in the world, either. They’re both injury risks waiting to happen and in any case, they’re on one-year contracts, as D’oh points out.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet again, Semin provides excellent defense, and 40 a year. I’ll gladly take BOTH over just one.
And speaking of GVT, i’ll also gladly take 19.0 and 3.2 over 5.3 and 4.6.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s provided 40 exactly once, playing on a historically prolific team. I’m not putting him down in pen for another one just yet.
I don’t like GVT as a cross-team statistic. I find that it’s much more useful comparing players from the same squad, since it’s a proportion of team production. For example:
5.3, 4.6, 9.9 vs. 9.1, 1.0, 10.1
You’d want the second guy, right?
The first is Bergeron, the second is Fleischmann.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And he put up 34/45/79 in 62 last year.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not really a fan of GVT. I think its a flawed stat.
But I don’t even question for a second that Bergeron is a million times better than Fleischmann. I was talking more about Bergeron vs. Semin. If the B’s were dumb enough to give up Bergeron for Fleischmann, I’d do it in a heart beat.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It was more an example of why I wouldn’t use GVT to compare across teams than anything else. I think it’s useful on the same team, at the same position, but you start losing efficacy as you change positions and especially as you change teams.
Semin and Savard make the BOS power-play terrifying – their best two wings right now are Sturm and Recchi. Nothing against those two, they’re fine players, but neither of them holds a candle to Semin. They have three centers that can play in the top-6, it’s need/need. Just based on the basic numbers, I think we can get more out of BOS than just Bergeron for Semin, but I wouldn’t be too upset if that’s all we got out of it.
Also, going forward, Bergeron is likely to be cheaper because of his concussion history, whereas Semin is likely to be more expensive. Having extension rights to a player we have a better chance at keeping is valuable as well.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Semin has much trade value at all. He’s not going to be a bargain with his salary. He’s not reliable. He’s got that “Russian enigma” stamp on him harder than any guy in the league now that Zherdev is gone. He’s a KHL flight risk. I just don’t see any NHL GM that is really raring to get their hands on him, and definitely not if the return is Bergeron (maybe MAB, but definitely not PB).
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Boy, you sure hate Alexander Semin. Did he stiff you for an autograph or something?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah. He gave me the autograph but 25% of the time I wear the jersey out nobody sees the signature so they think I’m a liar.
Seriously though, how can you possibly be reading this as a new development? I planted the flag of the 85 Cent club back in October. I think I even said he was dead to me then. I’ve been comparing him to Kovalev all year. This playoffs vindicated me and now there’s no going back. Semin is what he is, and that’s not a 6 million dollar NHL player.
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by Rob Parker on May 4, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed – I don’t envision a great market for Semin, which is why I’d bet decent sums of cash that he’s a Cap on Opening Night next season, and probably one on Closing Night as well.
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Why not? He’s not playing against terribly good talent. It’s the sort of situation in which he thrives.
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Exactly. And then we can talk about how big he is in International play and how he has WC gold medals blah blah blah. Even if he plays outstanding (here’s hoping Cam Ward got a call…) it won’t change how I feel about him.
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If Cam was called, he didn’t answer. Canada’s goaltending is…spotty…for this tournament. Word is Messier is looking to pick up a third canadian goalie from somewhere in the Euro leagues.
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I disagree. A half-season rental of Kovalchuk garnered ATL a significant haul.
Semin is not quite the scorer Kovy is, but he’s much, MUCH better defensively. If we trade him at the draft, the other side will get him for a full year.
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40 goal pace most years, discounting injuries.
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by Sombrero Guy on May 4, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If a player is injured practically every year, his pace is all well and good, but I care more about what the actual numbers are, since those are the ones that get counted on the scoreboard.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, but he’s only done that once, which was the point. I don’t care what your pace is if you can only play in 65 games a year. I’m only getting that pace in 65 games.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
79 points in 62 games is pretty freakin’ awesome.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
79 points is 79 points, which is as you say, pretty freakin’ awesome. But I’m not giving him credit for an entire season’s worth of games when he hasn’t shown the ability to play for the entire season.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
This, more than anything else, is the reason you can go all-in on a guy like Backstrom and not on a guy like Semin, IMO. Of course you never know what will happen, injury-wise, but teams underrate durability at their own peril.
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But we’re talking about Semin and Bergeron. Neither of these two can be counted on for health, so it’s a wash. So you have to start looking at scoring pace, which is something that Semin runs away with.
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No, you still have to look at aggregate over the season and that’s if you want to ignore things like system and positional value. The Caps are a lot deeper at W than they are at C. That you don’t know how many games you’re going to get from either is exactly what makes aggregate stats more relevant in this case.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m willing to take the risk on Bergeron. Or Savard. Or Sharp.
I know that there is risk there, but we can’t go into next season with a black hole behind Backstrom.
Additionally, think of this – let’s say we don’t acquire a #2C – how fucked would we be if Backstrom got injured?
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by D'ohboy on May 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he scored 40-4x-8x with lots of support. The raw numbers are what they are, the entire point of this sidebar is that those are the numbers that count, since that’s what you got.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
As you pointed out earlier, though, Bergeron also has a history of injuries, and particularly worrisome is his history of head injuries. I would probably take Semin over Bergeron anyway, but the fact that the next concussion he sustains could send him to Lindrosland seals it for me.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on May 4, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Hah, The Caps should totally trade Semin for an Iron Man player like Bergeron.
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by Sombrero Guy on May 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The Caps should totally trade Semin for a 2C and whatever they can get, of which Bergeron happens to be a good candidate, being that Cs are inherently more valuable than wings.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
But you’re not really doing that 2C a heck of a lot of good if you’re teaming him up with Laich, Fehr, Chimera, et al. Pittsburgh gets away with that because they have two of the top 5 players in the game, both of whom happen to be centers.
And anyone that could make those two into 30-35 goal scorers, you ain’t gettin’.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand this argument. A guy that’s going to be playing 2C for us was likely playing with roughly the same talent, if not worse, than he was playing with wherever he was before. Add in powerplay time (Which a 2C is going to get) with the unit we run out there and his numbers are going to jump.
I don’t expect anyone we have at 2C to go Thornton-to-Cheechoo. I do expect them to have a numbers uptick playing in a more offensive system and on a great powerplay. If he can keep those wingers where they are now (pretty good chance, because any of the names we’re tossing around are going to be better than any combination of BMo/Flash/Belanger) and keep it consistent, he’s going to be a net gain for the effectiveness of the team.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he would be a net gain if he played 82 games. He probably wouldn’t though, so I don’t think his 60-whatever games would add more than 60-whatever games of Semin.
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Against the center depth of the other SC contenders? He’s absolutely a net gain in the playoffs over Semin. Going up against Toews/Bolland/Whoeveroftheeightcentersthehawksuseat3C, Crosby/Malkin/Staal, Richards/Carter/Giroux, Zetterberg/Datsyuk, Thornton/Pavelski/Clowe, is more valuable than Semin.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The 82 or 60 games don’t fucking matter! It’s the games after the 82. We make the playoffs with or without Semin or Bergeron. We don’t need either to make the playoffs, so we should look at who is going to help us win in the playoffs.
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by Rob Parker on May 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But…40 goals!
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by Killer_Carlson on May 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed with everything you’re saying, but Bergeron is one regular season hit away from missing the playoffs. I’m surprised you guys aren’t more concerned about him staying in the lineup.
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Bergeron is one regular season hit away from missing the playoffs.
Any player is one regular season hit away from missing the playoffs.
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Because what Bergeron brings you offensively and how he plays with those around him isn’t equivalent to what giving up Semin would cost you offensively. He would HAVE to go Thorton/Cheechoo in order to make that deal even out, and that’s not going to happen.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Bergeron a step down from Semin offensively? Yes. Is he as far a step down as the raw numbers suggest? I doubt it, playing in Julien’s defensive system. Also, saying that he would need to make one of Laich or Fehr a 56 goal scorer to make that deal even out is a little bit hyperbolic.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a pretty big leap to assume his numbers will skyrocket in a new system. I’m not going to wager Semin on that, is what it boils down to for me.
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No one is suggesting skyrocket, but 70 points is absolutely not out of the question.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if you put him on Semin’s line he could really—
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by jordanDC on May 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No basis for that at all. He got 52 points this year, playing 3rd line minutes for Claude Julien and no powerplay goals. In Boudreau’s system and PP time, I don’t think there’s any question you see a 12-18 point bump in his production.
It’s not like he was playing with Alex Semin in BOS, either.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s no basis other than optimism for saying he’d produce more here, so I think we’re just going to disagree.
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So if we did a straight up roster swap, you think Boudreau’s new team produces the exact same number of points and goals as Julien’s team? Or that moving from 3C to 2C doesn’t increase likely scoring? Or getting PP time doesn’t increase scoring?
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Zero, we could stand to lose a few dozen if it meant more consistent scoring in the playoffs, too.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC he was point-per-game as 2C behind Savard, and no question DC 2Ws > 2Ws in BOS in recent memory (unless I’m forgetting some people).
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fehr/Flash and Ryder/Wheeler are the comparables, I’d say.
I don’t think there’s too much difference there.
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Unless you’re counting Laich as a first line wing, you’ve gotta drop Fehr or Flash.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, drop them. Ryder and Wheeler can put up as many or more goals than any two Caps wingers if you don’t include Ovechkin or Semin. Did B.Mo explode offensively this year? No, and I think his best season might have been better than Bergeron’s best season.
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And he’s on the wrong side of 30 coming off reconstructive knee surgery.
Also, that best year? That came playing between in-their-primes Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund, both of whom were at or near the top of their production categories that season. That was 71 points.
Bergeron already has 70 and 73 point seasons, never playing above the second line.
Ryder and Wheeler both put up 18 goals this season. Ryder put up 27 last year, with a 15% shooting percentage. Knuble and Laich are both more consistent goal scorers and both wingers for the Caps not named Ovechkin and Semin. Fehr could also put up those numbers if he was playing second line minutes instead of barely 3rd.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
But Bergeron isn’t playing with Ryder and Wheeler (and both players got fewer pts than Laich, Fehr, Flash, and Bmo, FYI). He spent most of the time in the regular season and playoffs with Recchi, Paille and Sturm.
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by Killer_Carlson on May 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Strongly agree that the Caps need a legit 2c. Strongly disagree that trading for a guy one hit away from a possible end to his career is the way to go.
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by Sombrero Guy on May 4, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
On a one year deal, I’m okay with chancing it. They both have a single year left on their contracts and I’m not thinking we’re going to be able to keep Semin going forward, with new deals for Backstrom, Green and Carlson on the horizon.
Really, any of Boston’s top-three centers would work at that slot and there are other guys that would work as well. Bergeron is a for-instance.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough. Like you (and many others) Its hard for me to envision Semin being a part of the Caps beyond next season, so I am ok with pondering potential trades. I’m just a little skittish of Bergeron.
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by Sombrero Guy on May 4, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Semin is gone one way or the other after next season.
Wouldn’t you rather trade him for something useful?
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and the “something useful” will be gone one way or another. I would be fine with trading Semin for something useful, but (broken record at this point) a guy with a concussion history makes me fear he won’t be useful very long
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Then forget about Bergeron. Replace his name with Savard. Or Sharp. The point isn’t the specific player, it’s the fact that we need to give up an asset to acquire an asset we currently lack.
Bergeron just happens to fit from a salary/position/trade perspective.
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Savard or Sharp is different than saying Bergeron in my eyes.
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by Davethecapsfan on May 4, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And when Bergeron is hurt he’s flat out of the lineup. It may blow, but he’s not also taking a jersey. Semin is notorious for the “healthy injuries.” He’s not banged up enough to sit out, but he’s banged up enough to be completely ineffective.
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by Rob Parker on May 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since the latter seems unattainable, i’m in favor of the former.
Time to give Perreault his shot.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I propose the latter. Trade Flash and a prospect and draft pick to CHI for Patrick Sharp. CHI will need cash and cheaper players next season. Sharp has 2 more years @ $4M. Sharp would be a significant upgrade.
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Can Sharp play center? Doesn’t help if he’s only a wing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He took 466 faceoffs and won 51.7% during the regular season.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He plays all 3 F spots, PK, PP (including on the point), and ES. He also has a great post-season track record for CHI.
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I see the Hawks getting rid of Versteeg, Byfuglien and Sopel before they trade Sharp.
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Thats still a band-aid on a gaping wound that is their salary cap situation.
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They have 57 million committed for next year already. And Niemi’s deal is up.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Marian Hossa will be making 7.9 million a year for the next 6 years, at which time he’ll be 36, and still making 4 million. Good heavens.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He wants to stay in Anaheim and will not demand a lot of money. Only way he’d become available would be if the Ducks didn’t want him. And that’s cuckoo talk.
I’ve heard their team doctor is a real quack.
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Koivu if we go aging UFA. GMGM needs to get creative with our assets and go find a trading partner and get us a real 2C with a expiring contract in 2011/12 when Mackan should be ready.
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I’d much rather go after Lombardi than the choices mentioned in the blog post. Modano and Koivu are like Feds and BMo. Older guys who are cheaper because they are past their prime. Don’t even get me started on how bad an idea it is to sign Jokkinen. Only problem with Lombardi is he’ll be looking for a multi-year deal. If Caps sign him then I wouldn’t resign Belanger and I’d give MP the 3C job.
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I could live with Lombardi but I’m not nearly as excited about him as some others. Ultimately I’d like to see a 2/3C guy like Belanger signed so that MP and Mackan can take turns trying out for the other C spot. If we still have a whole at the deadline, address it then.
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No. This year we tried Baxter, BMo, Steckel, Gordon. When Steckel showed he’s not a 3C and we had injuries we called up MP and we gave Flash a look. Flash might have been a legitimate long-term look, but MP was never going to be more than a cup of coffee. And Mackan wasn’t in the picture. I’d like to give those guys a legitimate chance to win a C spot. Not a cup of coffee. Not a “can he even play in the NHL” look. A chance to go win the job. That means you don’t get sent down after a couple bad games. That means you don’t force Flash into the spot every time you get a little antsy. Give them the full first 2/3 of the season until the trade deadline to figure out if either will work.
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Well, I think you are talking coaching decisions at this point, regarding who was inserted into the lineup and where and how, whereas my discussion primarily is focused on personnel decisions.
BMo = Belanger (borderline at best 2/3 center). we signed him with the hopes that he could fill that #2 center role, and if not we would use other players in the system to plug the gap. Same thing you are proposing, just different players. Then, when it wasn’t working, we tried to fill the #2 spot with Belanger at the deadline, which didn’t exactly work our either. Again, pretty much what you are proposing.
Having said all that, most of what you say I agree with. Lombardi is not the answer (which is where this started), but neither is Belanger IMO. I am firmly of the belief that a solid #2 C needs to come on board somehow (I really like both suggestions of Bergeron or Sharp), not a borderline guy like BMo or Belanger or Lombardi. I am also (like you) in favor of Mackan/MP/Steckel battling for the 3rd and 4th C spots. What I am NOT in favor of is trying to “get by” with an inferior #2 center like Belanger or BMo.
Yeah I can buy all that. Problem is we can’t get an established and legit 2C with Semin, Green, Backstrom, and AO all on the roster.
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And herein is the crux of the problem.
We’re not trading Green, Bax or Ovie.
Keep Semin and we can’t get a legitimate #2C.
Keep Semin, and we either need to go the internal route, or the “reclamation project” route.
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Sadly, I have to agree with you. I may have to swear off PTI. Tony gets me annoyed from time to time, but compared to Wilbon these days, it’s nothing.
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I haven’t watched PTI in a good three years. I have pretty much sworn off all sports talk radio and TV shows at this point. I just can’t deal with the talking heads and idiotic writers any longer.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Wilbon often talks about having once watched hockey, about being a hockey fan growing up. He also fairly brags about not having the time or the inclination to follow the game these days.
Well, shoot, I once followed pro basketball rather closely, but I haven’t seen an NBA game in person in ten years and haven’t seen one on TV in quite awhile. Think anyone will take me seriously if I opine that LeBron James isn’t much of a winner, that Kobe Bryant is by miles a better player?
Didn’t think so.
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I refuse anything to do with Wilbon, but has he really said/written this recently?! has he not seen the recent demographic numbers for the city?
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According to Census, in 2007 it was 36 and 55. In 1971 it was 27 and 71.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
1970, not 1971.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a link as well to the U.S. Census Web Site
It says that in 2008, Blacks comprised 54.4%.
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And considering how many white collar workers and executives commute to the city every day and work in it, that 36% number probably gets higher.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It think it would be more accurate to discuss the entire metro area. It’s not like because you cross the city line to a state, you suddenly stop caring about DC sports teams.
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This too. I would feel confident saying the vast majority of all DC sports fans don’t live in the District (I’m a PG County guy myself), much like most other fans don’t directly live in their cities, just in close proximity (unless you’re one of “those” teams like the Steelers, Yankees, or Cowboys).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to get off topic, too far, and I agree whole heartedly. I Just mentioned it because that man is completely out of touch, or stopped checking in on the city post Marion Berry round 2. He then tries to use his error in era as a “fact” as to why no one in DC cared that the caps lost.
If he doesn’t even know the city how can he claim to know anything about anything about the local fans.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on May 4, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions
Wait, so Ovechkin’s going to ditch the Caps for a mediocre team that’s going to wallow in mediocrity for another 50 years?
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The whole “comparison” of the two is so completely stupid/absurd that its like comparing pineapples to panzer tanks.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I like pineapples and I like panzer tanks … so maybe it’s not that absurd.
I have to go. But if I find one single dog hair when I get back, I'll rub... sand... in your dead little eyes. I also need you to buy sand. I don't know if they grade it, but... coarse.
by Steckel Me Elmo on May 4, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin = LeBron. Gretzky = Jordan. Crosby = um… Kobe? There is a one-to-one mapping. It makes sense!
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by Laich It Or Lump It on May 4, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
EVERYTHING MUST BE COMPARED TO THE NBA BECAUSE THE NBA IS GREAT AND IT HAS THE GREATEST PLAYOFFS AND IT IS THE GREATEST SPORT.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
GO 76ERS!
I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong.... except when someone else beats me to it.
by Backhanded Complement on May 4, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This caused me to spit my gum onto my pants.
I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.
by iwearstripes on May 4, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
So who does Toskalol compare to? Hoffa?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 4, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched a bit of SportsCenter last night after reading all the Wilbon shit. I was pleasantly surprised to see Tim Legler go off on how poor a night LeBron had. In addition, he said that the Cavs cannot win unless LeBron plays up to his potential.
Sound familiar?
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Does anyone have access to ESPN insider? Someone posted a “Mike Green to the Rangers” trade idea yesterday, and I need something to make me laugh.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
ESPN Insider Story
Here you go:
Here’s a trade idea, via the New York Post’s Larry Brooks.
Brooks writes: “Mike Green, caught in purgatory, is a blue-chip stock who never has traded lower. And OK, here’s a two-part question: If [Caps GM George] McPhee were to come calling tomorrow offering Green and maybe Tomas Fleischmann or Eric Fehr to the Rangers for Marc Staal and, say, Ryan Callahan or Brandon Dubinsky, what would you do and what would you have GM Glen Sather do?”
Now this is all purely speculative, but there have been angry fans and writers suggesting all kinds of Capitals trade after the loss to the eight-seeded Montreal Canadiens. Some of those ideas include Green, but Fleischmann and Fehr really could be dealt since they are restricted free agents this season and are in line for a raise.
Another Caps idea out there: Trade for Robyn Regehr, the Calgary Flames defensemen. So it seems there are several suggestions with the common theme of the Caps trading for a top-flight blueliner. But chances are the Caps won’t make any big moves, since this is the team, after all, that had 121 regular-season points.
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by STLSpidey on May 4, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Among the many, many questions I have about that, is how does it really help the Rangers? Don’t they already have Del Zotto playing the Green role?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Del Zotto hit the rookie wall pretty early in the season. He’s still a prospect.
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Michael Del Zotto has a great deal of potential. Green is a two-time Norris finalist. MDZ isn’t there yet. One day maybe, although, in a couple of years when he’s at his peak, he’s going to be behind Drew Doughty (along with every other d-man in the NHL…)
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by MikeL-Pivonka on May 4, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If someone offered us Staal, Callahan and Dubinsky for Green and Flash, I’d take it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
If it’s Staal and Callahan or Dubinsky, I say no. If it’s Staal and Dubinsky and maybe Sanguinetti, I say yes.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I can’t see them giving up Staal. Considering the other stiffs back there, if they dealt him to help themselves offensively, they’d be in much worse shape overall.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
We would have to resign Flash first for 5 years at 6.5 million per for Sather to take the bait.
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by RedRocka on May 4, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Love Callahan. Love Dubinsky. Too bad Fehr and Flash wouldn’t be enough to get them.
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
Giving up Fehr would be too much.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Fehr straight up for Dubinsky? I’d do that instantly.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on May 4, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That first paragraph’s in the NYPost article linked in Clips above, too.
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You got access to some other rumors? There was one on Flash, one on Turco to Caps, and I think one more recently.
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
i think many of us are a bit skittish about losing good young defensemen just entering the prime of their careers. to many visions of larry murphy and scott stevens lifting cups in other uniforms.
and why would you trade an asset when it’s at its lowest value? doesnt makes sense. barring some rediculous offer, which isnt coming, green isnt going to be moved.
he needs to be managed better late in the season and into the playoffs. no reason for him to be playing 24 minutes a game late in a season where nothing is on the line. no reason for him to think he needs to change his style of play so dramatically that he sucks at both ends of the ice.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on May 4, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
+1 for having sanity.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
So rec’d.
Oh, and “move him to wing” is a similarly brutal idea.
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That discussion provokes Wilbonian responses of frustration in me.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
wanting to trade Green is asinine. He put up the most points on the blueline in the entire NHL at 24 years old, playing in a tandem with Schultz, not Stevens, Not Lidstrom, not Neidermeyer. Schultz. tin foil hats people, tin foil hats.
Who the hell cares what Larry Brooks thinks? Larry Brooks is talking about trading Fehr, leaving Knuble as the only RW on the team that can play top 6 minutes, and he’s going to be 38. Brooks is talking out of his ass, as usual.
Pick up a high caliber blueliner to mentor Green, Carlson and Alzner and watch them become the creme de la creme of the NHL. They can’t get all their knowledge from Poti and Woods.
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
....
Pick up a high caliber blueliner to mentor Green, Carlson and Alzner and watch them become the creme de la creme of the NHL. They can’t get all their knowledge from Poti and Woods.
Hi!!! My contract just expired!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Pick up a high caliber blueliner to mentor Green, Carlson and Alzner and watch them become the creme de la creme of the NHL.
I’m a broken record on this topic. I couldn’t agree more. We need to look at veteran defensemen who are on the downside of their career and want a shot at the Cup.
]You can nitpick any suggestion as a bad fit, too expensive, under contract – but there are people out there like Rob Blake, Adam Foote, Matthieu Schneider, Scott Niedermeyer, Sergei Gonchar, Chris Phillips, Sean O’Donnell, Barrett Jackman, etc.
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its always about “too much money” and to a point thats true. Pronger was too much money. Ok, I’ll agree, he was a lot of money. And it was a really bad contract. I wasn’t on the sign Pronger now bandwagon, but as a good example I freely acknowledge that Pronger would have made an ENORMOUS difference on the blueline and would help out a lot with the numerous first round picks we have that are getting played a lot, especially going forward. Spend the money in the right places and it pays dividends. It hasn’t been done on the blueline and it needs to be. Its a priority going forward.
Its time to get that done.
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Sergei Gonchar maybe then? He’s still top-6 on most teams, and as long as he’s not going against top lines, he should be okay, and play the PP too.
Of course, my preference is Niedermayer. Or Lidstrom, but no way he’s playing in the NHL in a place other than Detroit.
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
For the love of God no on Gonchar. He’s a zombie at this point.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaains…. [Whoop, whoop!]
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
To my point above — anyone can nitpick any of these.
But think about them on a 1-year deal, maybe 2, with clear instructions to mentor Green, Carlson and Alzner. It needs to be someone they would respect. This guy is here for his experience and could be a #5 D.
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you get no argument from me. I’m begging for it. Just no Gonchar, unless its a ploy to bring him back and soapsock him in the locker room.
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Who Gonchar? He’s only a glorified PP specialist at this point (and yes, I did see our PP against Montreal, but Pittsburgh’s PP wasn’t much better this year)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He was in the exact same situation as Green about 8 years ago, right (but not as good at either end of the ice)?
Again, it’s preference vs availability. The preferable guys I think are all not going anywhere or retiring.
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
no to Gonch, no to Neids.
I’m guess Lidstrom may come back next season, but only in Detroit.
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I came to that conclusion months ago, just based on how all the contracts are structured in Detroit.
Holmstrom, Bertuzzi, Maltby, Lidstrom, Lilja and Lebda all expire this year. Osgood and Draper are up next year. I can’t see them bringing any of those guys back.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
What would you say to bringing in someone like Maltby? I doubt they let go of Lidstrom or Holmstrom just yet, but we need people who have won cups and can teach our young players not to panic in the playoffs.
who knows what Holmstrom is going to do. He might retire, he might come back. I think it will largely depend on how his body feels after the playoffs.
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Guy’s 36 and coming off major shoulder surgery. No thanks.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No Niedermayer? His +/- was horrible, I realize, but then again, he was in Anaheim trying to be a top-pair D when he no longer is. Is he good enough to be a third pairing D? I think so.
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
does he want to be a 3rd D guy? And is he going to take the huge paycut to make that work for the Caps? I’m doubtful.
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He’s not leaving Anaheim. If he even comes back at all.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s won everything there is to win, multiple times in the case of Olympic Gold and Stanley Cups. He’s got a Norris, he’s got a Conn Smythe, two Olympic Golds, 4(?) Stanley Cups, a Memorial Cup, what’s left for this guy?
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Sit back, collect a pay check, hang out on the beach.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
…mentoring a young perennial Norris candidate?
\crosses fingers
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If someone offers us Staal, Dubinsky and Callahan for Green and Flash, you’d turn that down?
Man. I’d hate to lose Green, but Dubinsky instantly solves our #2C problem, Callahan instantly improves our PK, and Staal is a damn good consolation prize for losing Green.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I’m taking that. Staal already plays against really tough competition every night and performs well.
F&B won’t like it though.
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by red army line on May 5, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. When I started reading that I thought that there would be no Mike Green trade that could make sense. But I could actually live with Green/Flash for Staal/Callahan or Dubinsky.
I waited all year for this?
Shocking that the suggestion came from the same guy who said that the Caps really missed Fedorov and Kozlov this year.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on May 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Larry Brooks mentioned the idea in his article.
Mike Green, caught in purgatory, is a blue-chip stock who never has traded lower. And OK, here’s a two-part question: If McPhee were to come calling tomorrow offering Green and maybe Tomas Fleischmann or Eric Fehr to the Rangers for Marc Staal and, say, Ryan Callahan or Brandon Dubinsky, what would you do and what would you have GM Glen Sather do?
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Wilbon again?
This is a guy who actually takes the NBA seriously. Why would what he say about the Caps even matter?
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
Come to think of it, why does he even care? Is he contractually obligated to talk Caps?
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
I think ESPN needs him to say one thing about the caps weekly. Just to be fair to hockey
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 4, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He has to mention the Caps in the Post, otherwise, if he only talks about the NBA, no one would read his column. The Wizards/Bullets/whatever are always going to be the #3 or #4 basketball team in town (Behind the Terps, Hoyas, and arguably George Mason).
The Caps are the only title conteder in town (albeit they have to wait until 2011) right now. The Nats are playing better, but they’re not going to the postseason (be realistic Nats fans). The Redskins are bad, the Wizards are worse, and United is off to their worst start ever… If Wilbon needs to be relevant, he needs to write about the Caps. If he wants to build a readership, he needs to do some research before he writes…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on May 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
My guess is that he’d get more money and a longer term elsewhere, and there would be cheaper alternatives in the event we needed a 3G.
They're coming.
No better than what we already have. Too expensive.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Right, he’s not better than Theo. He’s not worse and would be less expensive than Jose, though.
Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned
If we’re going to upgrade the rest of our roster and re-sign Backstrom, Ellis is a luxury we can’t afford.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
there’s your answer…
If the Caps think next year will be “The Year, II,” then I don’t think they go with Varlamov and Neuvirth as the goalies. Varlamov has barely 50 games of NHL experience (regular season and playoffs), Neuvirth doesn’t have half of that. I think the Caps will be shopping for a cheap veteran backup who can give them 20 or so games. It could be a Niittymaki (not a bad pick… he’s never lost to Atlanta in 17 decisions, and it would get him away from playing the Caps, against whom he’s been successful). It could mean a Johan Hedberg. If Jhonas Enroth is ready to move up behind Ryan Miller in Buffalo, Patrick Lalime becomes a possibility.
If Varlamov is your number one going into the season, and if Neuvirth is on-deck in some fashion, I would not think you want a backup who makes more than $2 million. The cap money could be spent more wisely elsewhere. Eliis is going to get something above $2 million (his current cap hit is $1.75M).
If you've read this far...seek help.
I’m not so sure Ellis will make much more than $2 million after we saw all the goalies sign for peanuts last year. So I guess that’s the island I’m on.
Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned
Well the two big names of this year’s group that are likely to move (Turco and Theodore) make 2-3 times more and are five years older, so maybe someone somewhere splashes the pot, as it were.
They're coming.
I have a feeling Philadelphia will try to move a contract or two in an attempt to sign Ellis. No proof, just a feeling.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 4, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re going to move a contract, then sign a big name free agent forward or defenseman. Then try and sign a goalie for dirt cheap
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 4, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
And the circle of life continues.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
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I just hope, for his sake, they don’t sign Theodore.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
or Vesa Toskala…
Well, he did shut them out this year
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
“Bob Esche” sounds like either a used car dealer, or a small town Southern Mayor.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Small town Southern European Mayor.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Rather Bengt on May 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
If Philly wanted to sign Theo for cheap and you think the Caps want a cheaper veteran backup, it would make sense all around for him to stay here. I believe it’s a given he takes a major cut in pay next year in spite of the fact he had a good year; too bad it’s going to be even less than you’d figure. Based on last year’s goalie-go-round, I’m guessing teams have figured out they don’t need to overpay for a veteran.
Sig temporarily on hiatus to ease the pain.
The Caps have to roll with Varly and Neuvirth.Both guys are ready for the big time.
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And they’re both still cheap.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but then one of them gets injured and what if the other guy falters? You’re using Holtby at that point.
Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned
Then you sign a cheap vet as stopgap.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Ellis had mediocre numbers on a team that’s generally accepted as being better defensively than the Caps and made $1.75m while doing so. I don’t see him as an upgrade, skill-wise, and certainly not enough so to justify a $2.5m+ contract (or whatever he’ll make).
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Furthermore, he wants out because he wants to be a starter, right?
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by red army line on May 4, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
There will be no avoiding the goalie questions in the press next year.No low level signing would take care of that.We are not going to take on a Turco and even if we did that wouldn’t make the question go away.The Caps have to stick with the youth in net that we have.Varly,neuvy and Holtby all have my confidence.Taking on a vet won’t helpand wouldn’t make any sence.
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From a financial standpoint, Varly and Neuvirth make sense. The question is since they’re both so young, if Varly becomes the clear cut #1 and plays 50-60 games, does that hurt Neuvirth’s development? I know the argument is that Neuvy has done everything he can do at the AHL level, but there’s the counter argument that goalies take longer to mature their game and playing 60-70 games in the AHL is better than playing 20-30 in the NHL in terms of their overall development. For example, Ryan Miller put in three full season in the AHL and was 25 years old before he became a full-time NHL goalie. That’s worked out pretty well for Buffalo. If the salaries could be managed, I’m not sure it isn’t better to have Varly playing the #1 minutes for the Caps next season with a vet backup and Neuvirth spending another year down in Hershey really refining his game.
Next year is a contract year for both Varlamov and Neuvirth, which complicates things a bit for the Caps. There will be only so long that the Caps can keep both on their roster if one emerges as the number one goalie. Then there is Holtby, who has two years to go before being an RFA. At the moment, these guys are bargains, but at some point the club is going to have to make a decision on which way they are going.
This might be the best battle of training camp (and boy, does it sting to use that kind of future tense).
If you've read this far...seek help.
Neither Varlamov or Neuvirth have any leverage, and both have enough questionmarks that they won’t have suitors banging down the door with offer sheets. We should be able to keep both until they are UFA, if we still want them that long.
I waited all year for this?
Concerned that he might be tweeting in the net?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 4, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Nashville, Tennessee
Chris Burton has checked in a couple times. He’s okay, barely. But a lot of folks there…aren’t.
...
The football stadium is flooded too
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Freeze that, and you’ve got the venue for the 2011 winter classic!
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 4, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Unhelpful.
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on May 4, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Winter Classic?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone wanna see some Flyers fans crying?
Read the comments of this DGB post
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
The best was Loser Domi’s comment on their comments. It never gets old.
looking at the comments, all I can think is GO FLYERS!!!1
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Has described his facial hair as a “child molestor’s moustache”, when it’s actually more of a “child molestor’s van dyke”.
Awesome.
However long the night, the dawn will break again
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
your mad cause he’ll knock any one out on your team
Yeah, with chloroform.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on May 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Gabe over at BtN does each game of the MTL WSH series by shot location
We’ve beaten why we lost to death, but these numbers make it even more frustrating for me. Just a slight uptick in screens, or getting to rebounds a bit sooner, or really anything and the Caps are playing Philly right now.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
To be fair, I think that the Caps did get some goaltending and luck of their own in the defensive zone – the defense, generally, was pretty bad over the first five games of the series.
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For sure, but the Canadiens had Halak playing insane when they absolutely needed him to.
Calder Cup gon' get Perreaultwned
...
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Luck’s such a fickle bitch. The Caps run into Halak the Wall, the Pens run into Andrei Markov blowing out his ACL early in the series. Le sigh.
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by J.P. on May 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don’t you just hate those people that say “you make your own luck?”
Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!
Sometimes it’s true.
But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.
by Steckel Me Elmo on May 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Meaning if we chopped at Markov’s legs repeatedly, he might have torn his ACL during the first round, instead of the second?
Every bursted bubble has a glory! Each abysmal failure makes a point! Every glowing path that goes astray,shows you how to find a better way. So every time you stumble never grumble. Next time you'll bumble even less!
Exactly.
Go all Bobby Clarke on him.
But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.
by Steckel Me Elmo on May 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to go step on a four-leaf clover.
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by Knee high to a duck on May 4, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I found a 4-leaf clover when I was out riding my bike the week we lost the series. It fell out of my pocket and broke when I was buying beer during the 1st intermission of Game 7.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
..
Is Luck’s fickle finger fate?
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Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
has it been confirmed as a torn ACL?
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
Per Tweets from Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie As to the reports of Andrei Markov having a torn ACL, consider it confirmed.
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You guys ready to Wrap Backstrom?
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Apparently my girlfriend is, according to his choice of shirting attire.
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Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m ready for another long, quiet moment when I count to a hundred or so. I’m not going to make it through the summer. this sucks. i still can’t believe its over. and that people are talking about trading green. Or getting Bergeron for center. or trading Fehr. make it stop
by The Jade Donkey on May 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It gets very, very hard to maintain enthusiasm when every MAY the only thing one looks forward to is the draft in JUNE and free agency in JULY, not another round of playoffs.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on May 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
totally agree on every point
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on May 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2010-nhl-unrestricted-free-agents-by-position/
wow…all I have to say is, SAKU SAKU SAKU
We need that number 2 C behind nicky here!
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on May 4, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
I enjoyed his sister KristyMc in the short lived television series Empty Nest
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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 4, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Delly
Number One on the Hockey News’ Hot List
1. Stefan Della Rovere, LW – Barrie Colts (OHL): When the Washington Capitals take stock of their early exit this season, they may want to look at Della Rovere as one possible remedy. Stocky, yappy and effective, Barrie’s captain can play that dirty game that often leads to victories.
"I’m an average-sized power forward and I think I work well below the goal line," the 20-year-old said. "I really want to work on my skating this summer, but things I do well are taking the body and controlling the boards down low."
Della Rovere has contributed eight goals in 16 playoff games for Barrie, but his overall grit is what makes him so effective.
"I just want to be a pest out there, try to get their good players off their game," Della Rovere revealed. "Give ’em a little shove after the whistle – nothing too noticeable to the refs – maybe say something…that’s my game."
Next year, Della Rovere is likely bound for Hershey and a spot on the juggernaut Bears of the American League.
"Next year’s going to be a whole new experience, I hope," he said. "If I can crack the AHL lineup, they have a great team there."
There’s even the outside possibility he’ll crack the Capitals lineup. In that case, he can make life miserable for a whole new class of opponents. Drafted 204th overall by Washington in 2008.
:)
I should note – that’s 16 goals in 15 post season games. He had 19 goals in the regular season.
Oh, and he could be playing in his final game as a Colt tonight. Do or Die time for Barrie, down 0-3 to the Spitfires.
Drafted 204th overall by Washington in 2008.
These are the kind of picks that made Detroit so successful.
I’m mostly with you but I think DET’s credit is WAY overblown and the differences among organizations aren’t as big as generally perceived.
DET got a couple high profile guys late in the draft, and won Cups. They are so awesome!!!!!!1
Nabokov and Pavelski were both drafted in the 7th round or later. Why don’t we hear about SJS being an awesome drafting team? Because they don’t win Cups.
I waited all year for this?
Further to the point, any late round pick that turns studly is at least as much luck as it is skill, from a drafting perspective – if the Wings had any real clue that Zetterberg would be Zetterberg, they wouldn’t have drafted Jari Tolsa three rounds earlier.
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They also seem to be able to hit the late picks, but not so much the early picks…only DET first-rounders in their lineup IIRC are Kronwall and Howard.
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by red army line on May 5, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that’s partially because they rarely have first round picks. They have only had three 1st round picks since 2000 when they took Kronwall. And two of those three were in 2007 and 2008, so it’s too early to say that they didn’t hit with those picks.
In that time the first players Detroit has taken has included Hudler, Flash and Filpula (2nd round, 2nd, and 3rd in 2002), Howard (2nd in 2003), and Franzen (3rd in 2004). Abdelkader was also a 2nd round pick in 2005 (their first rounder, Kindl that year hasn’t done anything yet). So it’s not like Detroit isn’t getting contributions from their early picks, they just don’t have as many early picks as other teams.
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by Killer_Carlson on May 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Another note: of those three 1st rounders since 2000, two are defensemen and the other is a goalie and none came before 2005 (they went from 2001-2004 with no 1st round picks). So it’s not surprising they haven’t made an impact yet.
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by Killer_Carlson on May 5, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Green’s point-per-game production, and the rarity of it, came up in the Mike Green finally talks to the press discussion yesterday (and into this morning). in case anyone else is curious, I was playing around at hockey-reference.com and came up with:
D-men ppg production since 1996-1997 (the year scoring really dropping off after the trap was widely introduced), min. 60 games played. Green twice, and Lidstrom once, all after the lockout changed the rules to encourage more scoring.
D-men ppg production for the past 20 seasons, min. 60 games played. It happened 32 times.
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shoot, forgot to finish my thought. So, there were 29 times a d-man finished with a p/g or better from 1989-1990 to 1995-1996. And one of those seasons was strike-shortened, so no one made my 60 game minimum.
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Potentially OT, but at least hockey OT.
Has anyone been watching any 2nd round hockey? …and if so how do you figure out what Versus is actually showing? Tonight, two games, one at 7 and one at 7:30. Can’t seem to find a regional map or anything helpful on the horrid Versus.com. Help? Can I know beforehand if I’ll be subjected to Crosby lighting it up against a Markov-less Canadiens team, or possibly get to see perennial playoff failures in the Sharks continue beating perennial Cup contenders Detroit?
by Caps Fan and a Texan on May 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
Well that stinks. How much further west/south do I have to go to avoid the Pens?!
Thanks :)
by Caps Fan and a Texan on May 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
WELLWOOD PIZZA FLAP
http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/bdgallof/15725/
Should I be offended that Mike Green wasn’t involved in this? Surprised? Happy? Not sure how to feel on this one.
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