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Wednesday Caps Clips: Ready for King Karl

Your savory breakfast links:

  • Karl Alzner is ready for full-time duty in Washington, and the feeling should most certainly be mutual. [Masisak]
  • It had been a few days - maybe even double-digits - since the last unprovoked Alex Ovechkin hit piece from north of the border, so this one (complete with standard "we like Ovechkin" disclaimer) was probably overdue. [National Post]
  • Same author, less-awful article (even though not completely accurate), this one on the risks of long-term contracts. [National Post]
  • George McPhee on his newly-signed Swedes, the playoffs and more. [The FAN 590, XM204 (mp3)]
  • Speaking of, what can the Caps expect from Nicklas Backstrom? [RtR]
  • More Backstrom reactions and comparisons. [OFB, Homer McFanboy]
  • This, from Worlds, is always a welcome site. [TinyPic (h/t YNC, and here's the gamer on the Russia win)]
  • Tom Poti, by the tens. [Peerless]
  • Re-CAPSule: Brendan Morrison. [Capitals]
  • What's Tomas Fleischmann worth? No joke here - too easy. [A Capital Offense]
  • Why a summer of excuses won't cut it. [MD Pro Sports]
  • We're down to number two on the "Top Ten Games of 09-10" countdown. [Live in Red]
  • Bruce Boudreau was on hand last night to watch two of the teams he formerly coached do battle in the AHL's Eastern Conference Finals. [Union Leader]
  • "The plans have been in the works for months now, but it looks like the NHL may finally be ready to announce next year's winter classic: the Penguins and Capitals at Heinz Field on New Year's Day 2011." Yawn. [KDKA]

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Are they gonna split the tix for the Winter Classic 50/50 like a bowl game or is it just going to be Pittsburgh people?

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 6:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Ted’s already trying to figure out how to block fans from southwest PA area codes and IP addresses from being able to order tickets.

…just kidding…

…maybe…

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

as an FYI…smart to reserve a room in Pittsburgh. i did a month ago at the downtown hilton for $110 a night about 6 weeks ago. can cancel up to 24 hours ahead of date with no penalty…

by KWclevpark on May 19, 2010 7:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Its a good thing that Mrs. YLM is from Pittsburgh. Would be nice to not have to pay for a hotel.

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marriott points!

Yikes, do I really have to think about this already?

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I got a room at the Doubletree downtown for under $100 a night. Might as well lock it in now before they start jacking up prices after it is officially announced.

#NeedsMoreBradley

by Addison H. on May 19, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

When we go there and have to use a hotel we stay in Monroeville.

Ironically enough, the hotel is right across the street from the Monroeville Mall, which was used in Dawn of the Dead

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

sister-in-law works for Hyatt, I’ll have to see if she can pull some strings.

New Years Eve in Pittsburgh is not exactly how I envisioned ringing in 2011.

#savethekittens!
Donation info for SAVES FOR KIDS 2010!! Make a difference.

by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Russia and Canada in another quarterfinal? Sorta like Crosby and Ovechkin meeting in a second round matchup… uh, wait.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 7:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Sid didn’t want to get overshadowed by brooksie doing good deeds on the side of the autobahn…understandable

by KWclevpark on May 19, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

If that National Post writer thinks Ovi is a farce now, imagine the field day he’d have if Russia lost to Canada again.

by b.orr4 on May 19, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did “A Capital Offense” really need to bring up Kiwi and Doig this early in the morning? I had been looking forward to my day.

by RPI93 on May 19, 2010 7:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ivan Majesky FTW

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see that Delly played last night and was -1 in a 1-0 loss. D’oh!

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by J.P. on May 19, 2010 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

That would be his pro debut, correct?

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crap…last night was Game 4? I really need to get my schedule together.

At least there’s a day off before Game 5.

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bleh

The Bears, who averaged league-high totals of 4.08 goals per game and 34.17 shots per game entering Tuesday, managed just five shots in the first period, six in the second, and seven in the third.

Hershey suffered its first shutout since a 5-0 loss at Wilkes-Barre/Scranton on Feb. 13, and not including shootouts, the Bears have now lost consecutive games for the first time since falling to Wilkes-Barre and Binghamton on Oct. 23 and 24.

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn that Jonaslav Bernielak!

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

No way they go three in a row, right?

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m getting a bad feeling about this series.

by b.orr4 on May 19, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shhhhhh.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bears have had to face little adversity this season. I’m curious to see how they react in game five. Let’s hope it’s better than the parent club did in their last series.

by b.orr4 on May 19, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

They aren’t up 3-1, which may be better for their concentration. But they are missing Andrew Gordon, which seems to be a pretty big hole. SOG last night by period: 5-6-7, the OT loss before that – 13-3-8 (1)

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

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by J.P. on May 19, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasted pick! He’ll never amount to anything!

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to explain to SDR that the Caps organ-i-zation takes that whole plus/minus thing deadly seriously. I did, in the OT hockey thread last night, but only after it was too late.

Also going minus-1 in that 1-0 loss last night with the Boss in the press box – King Karl. RAHJC knew better than to be on the ice for a goal against.

Another interesting if sad note about the series @Manchester – Andrew Gordon’s mom was all set to come down from Nova Scotia to watch her son play for only the second time in his pro career. But he got hurt in Game 2 and didn’t make the trip. :(

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Darn you YNC! ;)

Double posted at the bottom.

Twitter!!!1
Reppin' Team Tyler yo.

by Ovechwin on May 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Number 36, eh.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s ripping off Mike Eagles (hoo hoo)

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

OO ain’t coming back.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

He won’t be able to be 19 up with the caps.

At least for 10 years ;)

Twitter!!!1
Reppin' Team Tyler yo.

by Ovechwin on May 19, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thought he wears 84 up here?

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, but I doubt he keeps that if he gets the chance for a permanumber.

Twitter!!!1
Reppin' Team Tyler yo.

by Ovechwin on May 19, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He could flip it and go 91?

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that too.

Twitter!!!1
Reppin' Team Tyler yo.

by Ovechwin on May 19, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Know what would’ve been awesome? If this had actually happened.

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by J.P. on May 19, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Whoa, I thought that was the rumor this season, not last season.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn’t heard that rumor this season, I don’t think. But I have heard the rumor that a Nylander-to-Chicago near-trade got Dale Tallon fired there.

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by J.P. on May 19, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably finally made them realize just how badly he had mismanaged their cap.

I never travel far....without a little Big Star...

Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

So…Nyls to Florida for Nathan Horton?

They're coming.

by Bald Pollack on May 19, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, it’s probably just bad recollection. As we get older, time feels like it goes by faster, so it probably just seems like it was that recently to me.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Loved reading that for DMG’s line “These aren’t the Ivan Cierniks and Joel Kwiatkowskis of the world.”

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 19, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

File that under the title “Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make”.

by b.orr4 on May 19, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice legwork, and I’d definitely agree that there are teams – lots of them – to whom Flash would be more valuable than he is to the Caps.

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by J.P. on May 19, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that applies to Flash, imagine the number of teams that would line up for Semin.

by b.orr4 on May 19, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that the two necessarily correlate. One’s got a a $6 mil 1-year contract, the other is much cheaper. So when you add in the cap differences I bet there’s a lot fewer teams that would be interested in Semin and could afford Semin.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 19, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Salary cap-wise, your correct. Still, if the Caps make the determination that they can’t afford signing Semin to a new contract, I wouldn’t be shocked at all if they shop him before free agency starts. And given that the contract obligation would only be for one year, I think there are a number of teams that would be interested.

by b.orr4 on May 19, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree that there’d still be some teams interested in Semin. I was just saying it wouldn’t be nearly as many as there are on HateOffSeason’s list of folks that might want Flash.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on May 19, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree. “Value” has to consider production, cap hit, likelihood of bolting for the KHL, etc.

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by J.P. on May 19, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a single team that Flash wouldn’t be more valuable to than the Caps?

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve talked about this before, but keep in mind Flash’s offensive game is built to excel in a system like the Caps. His shortcomings might very well be even more exposed with other teams, especially if he is being slotted as a more primary scorer.

by cuqui on May 19, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shhhhhhhhh.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I worship at your altar.

by cuqui on May 19, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

A contract to look at with regards to Flash’s signing (or potential signing) is Raymond’s in Vancouver. Whichever player signs first could end up setting a precedent for the other one due to their very similar numbers.

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Capital Offense predicted a Brooks-Laich type of contract for Fehr, and now they’e saying Flash deserves $2.5M annually…

I really hope that’s wrong.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flash is not even close to sniffing being worth $2.5M. He would need to bring something more to the table or be more consistent for that to happen. He would also need to show up in the NHL playoffs.

I still maintain that the best option would be for the Caps to try and squeeze a pick out of a team that needs cheap offense (ATL, NSH, CLB etc).

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you on all these points.

I with GMGM were a better drafter, then I’d have more faith in the value of getting a pick back for Flash.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good, let Flash price himself out of contract renewal by demanding 2.5 mil. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

#NeedsMoreBradley

by Addison H. on May 19, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flash can’t “demand” anything at this point. The Caps can retain his rights by submitting a qualifying offer. Flash can either sign the QO, and that’s what his salary will be. Or he can refuse to sign and negotiate on a higher salary figure. If the two sides can’t agree on a contract, they go to arb, and whatever the arbitrator determines is the salary value. I think an arb contract is 1 year, but I could be wrong on that.

After the ShaMo arb, I feel sure the Caps want no part in an arb hearing for Flash.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neither does Fleischmann. If Mike Milbury made Tommy Salo weep, they’d have to put a suicide watch on Fleischmann. It would be brutal.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope you’re right. If Flash gets to arb, he’s walking out of there with over $2M.

If he’s on the roster for the entire year in ‘10 – ’11, I’m going to be peeved.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all in the contract. If Fleischmann does go to arbitration, and he does win an award north of $2 million, the Caps would have a devil of a time managing the rest of their cap with any maneuvering room in the spring. If he has a $1.5M or so price tag, he looks more attractive, IF… the Caps are going with three scoring lines, and IF they procure more edginess elsewhere on the roster.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Until Flash calls his head coach as his expert witness. Based on BB’s testimony Flash will be awarded 5.5.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beat me to it. Good thing I read all the responses first.

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think Fehr gets Brooks Laich money because of his injury history and the fact that he hasn’t played as many games.

"Ovechkin, what is good in life?"

"To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their captain."

by Wheeler on May 19, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand why people don’t want to pay Flash $2 million+, but it’s all about comparables. Of the 77 players who scored 23 goals or more last season, only 13 (including Flash) were paid less than $2 million a year. And out of those 13, only two were paid less than Flash. Another factor his agent is sure to bring up is that Flash scored his 23 goals in 69 games. Like it or not, he’s getting a big pay raise next season. The question is what team will be paying him.

by b.orr4 on May 19, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully not the Caps.

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The question is what team will be paying him.

What happens to Flash will show more than anything else if the team understands what it needs to do. He brings you little besides offense in the regular season and absolutely nothing in the postseason. If he’s on the roster this season I have a feeling next Spring is going to look a lot like this Spring.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

2-3 year deal worth $2.5 million per year

I feel my head exploding.

Choking since 1985.

by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good work HOS. I have seen Kulemin play a few times on local Leafs broadcasts and have a good feeling about the kid. Will probably be twice the player Flash ever will be.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

by Rather Bengt on May 19, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks. Yeah, another caveat to that post is that I have zero knowledge about whether there is young promising talent on NHL teams or in their systems coming up. While I enjoy watching hockey, I am a Caps fan exclusively (except for that NorthStars team that ran into the buzzsaw of the Penguins, 91?92?), who is in an area that only sees the Caps on semi-local channels and only see other teams when they play the caps.

by HateOffSeason on May 19, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

The interviews with GMGM were interesting. He really comes across as candid and honest , which is good if your job is to negotiate deals. Other items of interest:
Good: It was Backie who came to them saying he wanted to stay in DC for the long term, that he really likes the team and the city.
Not so good: GMGM is convinced that the only reason they aren’t playing anymore was that they came across a hot goalie, and that there was nothing else they could do.

"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."

by bagace on May 19, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

As with so much of what I’ve read and heard from the organization in the aftermath of the loss, I hope and pray that what they’re saying behind closed doors is markedly different and introspective.

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by J.P. on May 19, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

I suspect we’re going to get a good idea about what they’ve been saying by what they’ll be doing. Right now, the Caps have a roster with holes to fill by virtue of expiring contracts…

Ovechkin Backstrom Knuble
Semin (hole) Laich
Chimera (hole) (hole)
(hole) Steckel Bradley
plus one or two extra forwards

Green (hole)
Poti (hole)
Carlson Alzner
Erskine Sloan (unless, like me, you think he won’t be seeing much time in DC next year)

Varlamov
Neuvirth
(unless the Caps go for a vet backup or re-sign Theodore)

Decisions to make on Fehr, Fleischmann, Gordon, Morrison, Laing (remember, he did start the season with the Caps), and Belanger at forward

Decisions to make on Morrisonn, Corvo, Schultz, and Jurcina on defense

The Caps have the skill guys, but with so many contract holes to fill, they have a unique opportunity to adjust the underlying character of the team. Will they make they edgier? With more snarl? Or will they go with, well, last year’s character, which did not have enough of either?

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

For forward I’d say re-sign Fehr and Gordon. Maybe Belanger. Everyone else, trade their rights or let them walk.

On D re-sign Schultz. Ideally I’d like for them to try and upgrade with a decent FA (Hamhuis, Seidenberg, [in my dreams] Michalek; someone in that mold. Just say no to Volchenkov). If they don’t bring in an upgrade from outside, I’d say go for Jurcina.

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope and pray that what they’re saying behind closed doors is markedly different and introspective.

With healthy portions of f-bombs.

Choking since 1985.

by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I try and block out that season. he just looks so wrong in that uni. So so so wrong.

#savethekittens!
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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

I heartily approve of RedBirdie's response.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I prefer red, myself

Although I’ll rec you anyway.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I really should have proofed the photo; damn he was being scored on there.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

how 'bout this one?

#savethekittens!
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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much better.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

full picture

#savethekittens!
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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer the older unis where Olie is concerned. His time in net wearing the newer ones wasn’t exactly steller.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peerless wrote a wonderful post when Olie retired and what has always stuck with me was the observation that Olie was the only guy who every truly looked good in those black unis, like a shark circling his crease. Love it.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the black ones better than the blue ones. Of course, so did most people hence how the black ones went from third jerseys to regular jerseys.

I actually saw Olie play back at the Cap Centre during my senior year of high school. This was back when he was a young hot headed minor leaguer who got called up. Back then I never thought he’d become half the goalie he did.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since I prefer the red, white and blue color scheme, I probably should have looked longer to find an older photo..

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of unfortunately for him, it didn’t last very long.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That last point is something that has really frustrated me. They (especially Bruce) keep saying “What can you do? I don’t know.”

I’d hope you would know what you could do, Bruce. Or I hope you could try to change it up to figure something out when what you’re doing isn’t working. That’s your god damned job.

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is why I wanted the Pens to take out the Habs in 4 or 5 games. I think the Habs winning the next series fit right into the storyline BB & GMGM have sold themselves. Not good.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

They can point to it as being proof that it was a hot goalie and rock solid D but I think it’s for different reasons that each team lost.

To me, the Caps lost because everybody underperformed. Boudreau couldn’t get the secondary scoring started, couldn’t get the PP started. Didn’t make the changes that were needed to utilize the depth that made the Caps so dangerous during the regular season.

Pittsburgh simply didn’t have the same depth. Beyond Crosby and Malkin, they don’t have any players that really scare you offensively. So Montreal could focus everything on those two players. This also points to why Philly tore them up in the first two games. Philly has as deep an offensive corps as any team, so Montreal can’t just focus on Richards and Gagne; there’s still Giroux, Briere, Hartnell, and Leino.

Washington failed to adjust to use their strengths. Pittsburgh simply lacked the personnel to do so.

But grace can still be found within the gale. With fear and reverence, raise your ragged sail.

by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with a thing you said. However, I believe based on what I’ve heard GM & BB says and some of the stuff the PR staff have tweeted that the Caps org, not the players I might add, seem to have this thing in their heads that they ran into a “hot” team. Habs beating the Pens fits into that storyline. I never said that storyline is what actually happened.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree too. And if Bruce really doesn’t think there’s anything he could have done, and that it was just a hot team/goalie, then he needs to be gone.

(And really, the Caps shouldn’t be using the hot goalie excuse, they have Theo.)

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps shouldn’t be using the hot goalie excuse no matter what. They aren’t Boston, they can score on pretty much anyone. They lit up almost every goalie throughout the course of the season. There’s no way a goalie should be able to take the series from them. BB needed to adjust and he didn’t.

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by caps123 on May 19, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least BB has mentioned the failed Powerplay as a possible culprit (and so did Nicky in his recent interview on NHL Live). Watch Philly’s PP players move in and out, around and down, besides just moving the puck. Then watch the faces on the Habs PKers – they’re totally confused and start flailing their heads and sticks around, leaving positions.

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by bagace on May 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was a big problem I had with the Caps PP under Hanlon, and still see these days, though it’s not as bad (playoffs notwithstanding). The Caps make it too easy to defend and clog the passing/shooting lanes. The defenders are able to settle into a box around the net and block all of the lanes. Montreal did a great job of doing that against the Caps, so all the chances that got to Halak weren’t good looks or were one and done shots.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean my yelling SHOOOOTTTT!!! during the PP doesn’t help??!!

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

things that make me embarrassed to have my dad attend games.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here. I hate the “SHOOTTTT!!!” guy.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least my dad doesn’t pull the “HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM!” I hate the “Hit Him!” guys. yelling “shoooooooot” all the time is bad enough.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do think its charming when he gets mad at the refs and offers them his glasses.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

my dad actually whipped out his police badge at the March caps-Pens game and told me he was going to arrest the refs “for being fucking idiots.” My poor brother was horrified that he might actually attempt this.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s one thing to scream at a Caps game. It’s another to scream at club or HS hockey games.

I love the parents that scream “skate, skate” or “shoot, shoot” all the time. As if the kids aren’t skating or aren’t looking for an open shot. Candidly, half the time, parents scream things that are not in line with coaches strategy.

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by STLSpidey on May 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn’t even thought about that. Ugh. You’re a saint for putting up with that.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

One more comment before we go O.T. on hockey coaching —

Some of the parents take it one step further and use a stopwatch to time their kid’s shifts compared to the other players. Then – if they think there’s an inequity, the come talk to you.

To me, that’s just nuts.

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by STLSpidey on May 19, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can insert ‘every sport’ for hockey in that comment. It’s why I dislike going to youth league sports. The kids and the sports part are great. It’s that I need to wear earplugs and blinders on the sidelines.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I’ve seen it in all sports with my kids. Whatever happened to kids having fun and enjoying the physical activity they don’t get from Wii or XBox?

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by STLSpidey on May 19, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t get too nostalgic. The parent stuff was pretty bad back in the day as well.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s wonderfully impossible to yell at your child while she’s on the beam. Glorious. I never dealt with that sort of stuff.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What would you yell?

I can see a parent yelling “Don’t Fall!”

I’d crack up.

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by STLSpidey on May 19, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every once in a while I found myself starting to do that, but generally I’d keep any grumbling between friends on the sidelines and not yelling out loud.

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by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do it ironically! At the worst times!

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by Ovechwin on May 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps gave up 19 goals in seven games (not including an empty netter). 2.71 G/G should be enough for this club, even in the playoffs. One could say Semin didn’t do this, or Green didn’t do that, or Fleischmann didn’t do the other thing.

What the Caps DID do was do-do all over their own power play to the tune of 1-for-33. Ovechkin, Semin, Laich, Green, Backstrom, Knuble and Fleischmann…67 power play goals among them in 75 aggregated man-games (the average among them), almost one a game. They had one for the entire series

If the Caps had scored as many power play goals as their season conversion rate, they would have had seven more goals in the series and likely would have won either of Game 1 (0-3 in an OT loss) or Game 5 (0-5 in a one-goal loss), and we might be talking about how the Caps would match up with the Blackhawks in a rematch of their regular season game.

The Caps lost because their power play went dark at almost an historical rate of ineptitude. And, without doing the detailed research on shot location and distances, I’d bet it was a product of not paying a high enough price to get into higher probability scoring areas or adjusting their game to do so.

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by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

And a big part of that was BB failing to recognize he needed a drastic change, at least temporarily, and instead relying “they’re so due” logic.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not enough motion.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by red army line on May 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually don’t think the PP was “failing to pay the price.” Laich was set up on the crease, he was there and had some great chances that Halak saved. The problem was an utter lack of movement so MON could get in their box and clog all the shooting lanes and make the Caps play on the perimeter. MON would not let the Caps pass through the box so they just weren’t getting any quality shots.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seemed like the Caps could only pass along the wall and not even to the point. If they can pass like PIT and PHI have been able to then the series ends more favorably, I’d think.

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by red army line on May 19, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

PHI has been moving a lot on the PP. They like to cross two guys through the slot at the same time, with a man in front of the net, and that pulls the box all over the place. Then they find the open seems and create high quality chances.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compile video with commentary and send it to the Caps.

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t been able to watch that series (only SJS-CHI, because of time difference and stuff) but on the highlights seems like every good PP chance Philly gets has MTL’s box scrambling, out of position.

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by red army line on May 19, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key word there is ‘moving’.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, the Caps did run into a hot goalie. It’s just not the only reason they lost. They win that series against any goalie that isn’t out of his mind, but they still had other flaws that need to be addressed. Even winning that series, you can envision teams like PIT and PHI taking advantage of these weaknesses.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Philly shutting Montreal down speak to the shut down D issue at all?

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by gfcaps fan on May 19, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seemed to me that Montreal would focus on shutting down WAS/PIT’s top players, and wait for the lower lines to make a mistake, and capitalize on those. But since Montreal can’t focus on shutting down one line, they’re mostly on their heels for Philly (as far as I’ve been able to tell from highlights, and reviews, etc). From my limited view, that speaks more to Philly’s ability to keep Montreal on their heels than it speaks to Philly’s ability to stop a dynamite offense.

Philly hasn’t exactly had the toughest offenses to deal with so far. New Jersey is the best offense they’ve faced (19th in the regular season). Montreal and Boston are both pretty atrocious (26th and 30th, respectively).

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

PHI scored 3 goals on their first 13 shots yesterday. MON was completely carrying the play. PHI has gotten some really good chances but they haven’t been able to pin MON or dominate them like either WAS or PIT. It’s fucking frustrating.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except Montreal has actually outshot Philly both games. They were much further back on their heels against both the Caps and Pens. It seems that the Flyers took notice of Montreal’s ability to capitalize on mistakes from teams that are constantly pushing them, so they are beating Montreal at their own game. They are sitting back more and their D is letting Montreal get shots but not great chances and then the Flyers are capitalizing on their chances from MTL mistakes or PPs.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comes back to coaching, then?

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

To some extent. But the Flyers also have better personnel at D than the Caps so that they can sit back and prevent good scoring chances. How often do you see the Caps D able to let the other team control the puck in the zone without running around and giving up great chances?

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a rhetorical question, yes?

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh indeed.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The expectation is that a trailing team outshoots the leading team, and considering PHI got the lead early both games (right? A little foggy) then that’s no surprise. MTL of course had to open it up a bit more and PHI has the personnel, especially on D, to keep MTL at bay.

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by red army line on May 19, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The expectation is that a trailing team outshoots the leading team,

I understand the logic, but a) I’m not entirely convinced it’s actually true and b) MON was out-shooting PHI from the start. If Halak makes the saves he needs to make that game is totally different.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But in both games MTL has had the jump on Philly from the start, even before the first goal. Last night Montreal was controlling the play, then they take a penalty and Halak gives up a crap goal and it’s 1-0 Philly.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then MON continues to carry the play but can’t score, and takes another PIM and it’s 2-0 PHI. MON continues to carry the play and a soft Leino goal and that’s the nail in the coffin.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

PHI has not overwhelmed MON with offense. If Halak doesn’t suck eggs those games are entirely different. Against the Caps and Pens there is no way Briere’s goal or Leino’s goal go in. But against PHI those go in. It has nothing to do with what PHI has done. The one thing I’ll say PHI is doing better than WAS/PIT is controlling Cammalleri; he just hasn’t had the same opportunities. No shock considering how much better PHI’s D corps is.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is marioD feeling? well, he scored his first green comment ever by reveling in pronger’s obvious superiority to green.

by Natty Bumppo on May 19, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a douche. First, I’m not a Caps fan. Second, he wasn’t in any way vindicated.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s really his first green comment ever? Pretty hysterical. They really love him over there.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously I agree that Green wasn’t good in the playoffs, but that still is irrelevant to the Norris debate. And their comments on shot blocking make it seem like they didn’t even watch the series. The Caps weren’t one and done with blocked shots leading to break outs; we dominated the puck and had them pinned for long stretches. Even with the blocked shots we doubled their shots. The problem wasn’t the shots the D blocked, it was all the shots Halak blocked. If that guy doesn’t have a career month nobody is talking about MON upsetting anyone.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I wanted the Pens to take out the Habs in 4 or 5 games

Apparently Philly has this figured out.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Philly’s depth and willingness to go to the net is the reason they are crushing the Habs. Add in top 2 D-men pairings who can shut down almost anyone and Flyers should be winning this thing. Habs have nowhere near their forward depth.

Philly underachieved under Stevens. If they had been anywhere near decent to start the year they’d have been a higher seed. They were the EC team that scared me the most going into the season and it appears that fear was well founded. Minus their goaltending issue they are a team that is well built for the postseason. Depth, grit, and solid defensive play.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And it was one lousy shootout goal against the King that got them in the playoffs.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet MarioD is secretly bitter about that.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how he’s feeling. He spent all year trashing the team and saying they needed to give Pronger the C, and ditch Richards, and go to a trap, and blah blah blah they should have kept Randy Jones, Holmgren is the worst GM, blah blah blah. And now they are in the ECF and 2 wins from the Cup. No doubt he’s happy for his team, but they couldn’t have made him look worse in the process.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

WC "cover" and propaganda

Quite a lengthy article about those players who did and did not go to Cologne to play in the WC. Provides nice cover for Ovi and Sasha, but also takes to task Nicky (somewhat dismissing his injury), Sid, and many others. Obviously we understand that the willingness/need to play injured in the SC playoffs is more compelling than doing so in the WC, although the author seems to disagree.

by Seminrocks on May 19, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Its timing is unfortunate. With guys coming off playing an entire season + playoffs in a lot of cases, I can’t blame any of them for not going.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love when writers, not just hockey ones, think they have the duty to tell players what to do, especially when it comes to international competition. Each player has their own reasons why they play or don’t play. It’s the beauty of living in nations that allow for free will. After playing a mentally and physically grueling regular season and in many case some part of a postseason you’ll have to excuse guys for wanting/needing a rest. Older players typically have families who haven’t seen them much for the prior 8 months and see family once the season ends as the priority.

Side note – Playing the WC in an Olympic year is ridiculous in my mind. The Olympic gold medalist is the world champ. If the Russians hadn’t been totally embarrassed in Vancouver I wonder how many of those guys actually would have showed up in Germany.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what’s more hypocritical is that most hockey writers (and hockey people in general) take off the ENTIRE month of August. It seems like if the players take off even a week the writers are killing them in the press.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

After looking at the article again it appears the writer isn’t a MSM scribe or a blogger, but an IIHF employee. No bias there.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The attendance has been poor. Not enough stars. The Russian games are fairly well attended.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s in a country that isn’t a big hockey country to begin with. But the real issue is most likely the lack of star power. WC roster’s are always a mixed bag, but in a OLY year they are going to be “C” teams at best for the major powers. IIHF has only themselves to blame. If I’m going to an event this year with the initials WC, I’m going to the one in South Africa.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m always a little surprised at sports that hold world championships in olympic years. I could understand IIHF holding world championships for all its other divisions, but not its elite (or whatever they call it) group. Of course, Denmark didn’t play in the Olympics and is just rampaging their way through worlds, so they might be a little bitter….

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Denmark’s run proves the point that this World Championship is an even bigger farce than usual.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I often wondered if the Russian contigent were required to show up (unless injured, of course), specifically the ones who were given their early training through the state, similar to the “military” requirements that Semin had to deal with back in ’05.

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by bagace on May 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Russia puts a lot of pressure on their guys to show it if they’re available. They take worlds very seriously, as we’ve seen. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that guys get blacklisted if they skip out of worlds. And no one wants to be blacklisted with the next Olympics in Sochi.

But there’s also the fact that representing Russia is something the players themselves take very seriously. I don’t doubt for one second that Ovie takes immense pride in putting on a Russia sweater and he doesn’t see it as a burden. I see this in other sports, too; if Russia calls on you, you go, and their athletes take a lot of pride in being asked to do so, it’s almost a patriotic duty.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that Kovalchuk went to the Worlds as a pending UFA blew me away.

by b.orr4 on May 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He almost got hurt yesterday too. He was lying face down on the ice for a while and got up rubbing his neck.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do think the low attendance is partly behind the article (the stands have looked really empty for some games). However, for the Russians, particularly, I think there’s still a strong imperative to go support Mother Russia when called, if at all possible. This is not surprising given Russia’s recent political history and the prominence that’s always been placed on sports success ingrained in the collective Russian psyche.

Remember that Ovi, Sasha, and others were born under Communist rule, although they were very young children when it fell. However, the coaches and others in charge still reflect the language and often the mindset of the previous scheme (and certainly it can be argued there has been political regression).

While Ovi is a one-of-a-kind personality over here, and Sasha is eccentric, when they become part of the national team, their individualism does seem to disappear; they revert to the innate collective. They want to be there, as far as I can tell.

There’s a video of Sasha after the 2008 WC when he received an award from Krasnoyarsk. He looked absolutely exhausted, thin, almost gaunt, and was hoarse. That was after playing round 1 of the SC, but I don’t think he would have missed the WC for anything except still playing in the SC.

by Seminrocks on May 19, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You make many good points.

I think it would be good for Mother Russia to hear (and accept) ‘no’ periodically – good for the people/players to say ‘no’ sometimes too.

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was mentioned in a recent interview (Ovie’s?) that after the Vancouver embarassment the players made a pact to go to the WC to salvage some of the team’s honor.

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

all of them need to untwist their panties as far as I’m concerned. they’re all acting like a bunch of immature brats.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they have so little to write about due to the now boring playoffs and lop-sided star power in the WC.

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t make it any less legitimate, since IIHF is comparing a guy who’s placed a truckload of hockey over three years to another guy who, well, hasn’t.

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by Bald Pollack on May 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

IIHF would have been better had they brought up the fact that guys like Datsuyk and Gonchar have also played a ton of games the past 3 years and still went to worlds.

I think it’s stupid of IIHF to hold worlds in olympic years, but at the same time I get where their irritation at North Americans for skipping out (and its not an issue confined to Olympic years).

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they truly want NHL guys (not just NA born guys I might add) to buy in they need to go to a different set up including different dates and less frequency. Having the WC’s every year makes little sense. They should take a cue from FIBA and go every 4 years. This makes it much more special and you are more likely to get participation if guys are being asked to play every other year for their national team instead of yearly.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

How ’bout every other year? The year leading into the Olympics and the year after.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s how gymnastics used to do it. The year after the olympics was always such a crapshoot as programs rebuilt for the new quadrennium (not nearly as big an issue in hockey). The worlds prior to the Olympics was used for olympic qualification, however, so everyone showed up with their big guns and took it seriously.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is 3 out 4 years if you include the Olympics. I prefer the FIBA model. They go 2006, 2010 while Summer OLY’s are 2008, 2012. Makes it more special.

I know us puckheads like it more often, but when it comes to selling the game and being able to maximize impact of the event I think less is more.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

How big was the stadium they filled in Germany? Aside from the US and Canada I don’t see who is apathetic, and including the US and Canada I don’t see how anyone is getting hurt.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Swedes, Czechs, Fins, and Slovaks aren’t skating “A” teams either.

The product is what gets hurt. You use world championships, in part, to sell your sport. Especially, in today’s world this type of “championship” makes little sense.

As for the smaller countries, they are best served playing the best of the best. Long term that helps development more than winning some hollow trophy.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweden is doing a big internal survey of its players as to why they aren’t competing in Worlds and what it would take to entice them. A lot of the blame is being placed on Bengt-Ake Gustafsson for poor management. But this is his last int’l obligation for Team Sweden.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see no reason to limit the amount of international hockey. Sure, it’s not as big a deal to NAs, but it’s a huge deal for smaller hockey countries. Keep the tournament and grow the game. Who cares if it’s a JV tournament, it’s clearly turning some people on over-seas. The World Cup is once every 4 years, but there are other minor tournaments of varying degrees of importance all the time.

Plus, as an NHL player you never know when you’ll get a chance to represent your country. I’d want a WC every year to increase my chances of wearing my nation’s sweater. I could see going back to the Hockey World Cup every few years, but I like the option of a World Championship every spring. The timing could be better, but there isn’t really a better option. Sticking it right before training camp would be asking for all sorts of groin and fitness injuries.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, it’s not as big a deal to NAs, but it’s a huge deal for smaller hockey countries.

This. I dare anyone to watch the video of Slovakia winning and not get goosebumps.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You aren’t limiting international hockey. You are making sure you aren’t diluting the top level of it. People want to see the best of the best and right now you never get that at the World’s. I’m fine with all the other levels having championships yearly.

FIBA certainly hasn’t had trouble extending basketball’s reach by using the off OLY model and soccer/football is the most popular sport in the world and they only have a world championship every 4 years.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call it a World Championship, call it whatever, who cares. It’s not diluting the top level of international hockey because this isn’t the top level of international hockey. The Olympics is. World Cup years can claim that too, probably. But so long as a tournament is scheduled against the NHL it won’t be the top level of international play. Everyone knows it, and it’s alright. I don’t see what the “dilution” problem is. It gives the lower powers a chance to actually compete to win something instead of going home and saying “yeah man, we actually scored a goal against Canada.” I’d be fine letting the WC stay in Europe every year and pump up enthusiasm in those countries.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

. It gives the lower powers a chance to actually compete to win something instead of going home and saying "yeah man, we actually scored a goal against Canada."

Sorry, but that doesn’t help anyone, especially those lower powers.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who does it hurt? It’s about fans getting a chance to root on their country and a rare chance for European fans to see some of their players live or at least during normal hours.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

But for the most part they don’t get to see the guys they want to. They see the guys they can see all the time in the SEL, KHL, etc. Besides the Russians, none of the traditional powers is fielding a team with their superstars on it that play in NA. Unless you think Lauri Korpikoski is a star.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet they are still selling out the stadiums and getting pumped for games.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are selling out all of the games?

No way TV ratings are anywhere near what they could be if you had true Worlds. More eyeballs equals more money. And for development sake more little kids getting excited about playing hockey.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

soccer/football is the most popular sport in the world and they only have a world championship every 4 years.

Don’t tell that to the Special One. /OT

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by Bald Pollack on May 19, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, only one World Cup every 4 years, but they have other, less prestigious, tournaments annually. There is never a year without an international soccer tournament.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

they’re also not competing against the Olympics for crown of “Most Important Title In Our Sport” because participation in limited to those under 23 years old and a couple of “over-agers.”

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the US soccer fans here cared about the US beating Spain in that What’s-it-called Cup then I don’t see how we should be talking shit about the WC or dismissing the fan interest in European countries.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Confederations Cup. And hell yes I cared.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of those countries brought good squads to the competition unlike what happens most years in the Worlds.

Not sure how you get my opposition to current Worlds format is somehow dismissing the European countries. Quite the opposite actually. I want kids in Europe seeing the best of the best in a true competition and to be jazzed about hockey because of that. It should be appointment viewing like the Olympics are.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still reading through this whole thread, but just so you know I do care about Worlds.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

So do I. If I didn’t I wouldn’t be involved in this whole thread. It’s because I care that I get frustrated by IIHF leadership and their lack of vision.

We are extreme puckheads. We’d watch Saudi Arabia play Bhutan in hockey. It’s not the already converted I’m concerned about.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think caring about it is possibly too broad a term. I care about video games. I want to win when I play them. But I’m not losing sleep or bragging about what happens in them.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I’m pissed off at the US’ performance. I think the Olympics are more important; but frankly I’m embarrassed at our showing after lighting the world on fire in February.

I still don’t think, though, that this douchebag IIHF writer should call out guys for not playing.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is never a year without an international soccer tournament.

Aside from the actual World Cup matches, those competitions occur in-season, with the finals usually happen right after the season ends. There’s a difference between that and shooting your proverbial athletic wad in the playoffs, only to be asked to start up again a week later (or even barely 3 months after you’ve just played internationally).

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by Bald Pollack on May 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that’s why a lot of guys turn it down. But some of them are still in shape and want the chance to represent their country. I don’t get why people are so upset; is it because the US stinks without our A team?

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, its because every year, not just this year, that the Worlds are anything but a world championship. They could be a great stage for the sport if done right.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No they wouldn’t. They are never going to be a best on best. They are never going to have all the stars everyone wants to see. So you want to limit an inferior tournament just so you can hype it up… but it’s still an inferior tournament. Having it once every four years won’t change the fact that it has to be up against the NHL playoffs.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they truly want NHL guys (not just NA born guys I might add) to buy in they need to go to a different set up including different dates and less frequency.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different dates is a non-starter. The NHL won’t allow annual interruption (nor should they) and doing it in the middle of the summer or before training camp is a terrible idea. Too many guys would get injured.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the IIHF story it references talks about people who reach the professional level and exhibit the same behavior (Zetterberg, Backstrom, even Jagr), regardless of Olympic year.

The IIHF wanted them in Vancouver and got them, didn’t get the B team 3 months later and are trying to napalm the no-shows, only to come back in 18 months and ask to have them again in Sochi and I’m sure will bitch and moan in May 2014 when somebody else blows them off.

Seconded on CP2’s suggestion. Make it go every four years (or even every two) to increase the prestige and buy-in.

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by Bald Pollack on May 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having this every year (with a quasi-Olympic roster) is bull. Who the fuck cares about this event, really, except for self-delusional superstars or some upstart country that never wins jack.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Memorial Cupdate

For those of you who are curious -

Windsor beat Moncton in OT last night and has earned a berth in the Final. Moncton is eliminated, which means Calgary will play Brandon twice – once as part of the round robin and again to determine which of them will play the Spits in the Final for the Cup.

I think this means this next game is essentially meaningless and an open invite to try to hurt the players on the other team as much as possible, while the Windsor coach is tasked with trying to keep his teenagers focused and occupied for four long days.

Go Hitmen! (They beat the Wheaties 4 games to one in their Conference final, BTW)

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I haven’t been able to watch since the opening game. Taylor Hall got blasted by that guy on Brandon. Looked ugly as hell.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looked ugly, but not as ugly as the 9-3 beatdown Windsor administered as payback. And Taylor is fine.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he missed a shift or two, and like 4 minutes later it was 4-0 Windsor.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s also why i’m really not sold on the Taylor Hall Bandwagon. Guy pretty much plays on an All-Star team. They’ve got like what….6 first round picks on that team? (not counting Hall and Fowler, who will both be top 5).

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Three other than Fowler and Hall (Kassian, Ellis, Nemisz). There’s also some 6th rounders, 3rd rounders, and a 2nd rounder. That’s the best I could tell at a quick glance.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on May 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ellis, Kassian, and Niemiszszszszszszszsz are all 1st rounders. Fowler and Hall will be, so that’s 5 in toto. They also have 6 other guys (not including Fowler and Hall) who are draft eligible this year, so there could be a couple more)

The lesson is, as always, i’m a dummy.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Though Kassian hasn’t played in the Memorial Cup yet and I don’t know how much of the OHL playoffs he played. I’d love to see Hall bust but he’s not making that look likely right now. He’ll go number 1 and start the year in the NHL.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kassian has 3 points in 3 games in the Memorial Cup this year.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how that’s possible. I watched him get interviewed in street clothes during the Windsor-Calgary game. I must be thinking of someone else I guess.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was suspended indefinitely this year for this

But according to this, he’s played in all 3 games in the Cup so far

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that hit. Brutal. What the fuck was he thinking?

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely remember seeing Kassian out there in the Windsor-Calgary game.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the ice or in the press box? I must have been wrong, maybe he wasn’t in street clothes or it was a taped interview.

Nobody is beating Windsor.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the ice. Unless the announcers were repeatedly calling someone else Kassian.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hall is making a decent case for himself, starting with the OT game-winner he scored @Barrie in Game One of the OHL Finals. Grr.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

via Capgeek, the details of Nicky’s NTC:

Modified NTC (no restrictions until July 1, 2016; for 2016-17 and beyond, can designate seven teams he will not accept a trade to no-trade list and modify that list each September beginning in 2017)

The list of teams will be whichever ones Alex doesn’t want to go to. LOL.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

seems like this is finally up after some technical issues: Panthers hoping Tallon will make them Blackhawks Southeast

Is it bad that the first thing that sprung to mind is “They hope he’ll screw up their salary cap?”

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh boy. Watching him try to land a big free agent is going to be fun.

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by Wheeler on May 19, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it just me or does Tallon seem at odds with what Florida ownership had been saying? Yes, Tallon can draft, but he’s also “land a splashy free agent or three” guy. That seems to run counter to the “blow the whole damn thing up and start from scratch” message that I heard last in the season.

This will be interesting, for sure.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida’s trade deadline moves were at odds with what Florida’s ownership had been saying. They shipped out Dennis Seidenberg, Jordan Leopold, and Dominic Moore, all of whom had expiring contracts, but most (if not all) of the other moves were of little to no consequence. And this was only a few weeks after the new ownership group sent out a letter saying that they were going to need to make some serious moves in order to be successful.

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by Wheeler on May 19, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, Florida ownership doesn’t even know what they want. Great. That’s sure to really help turn things around down there.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feel bad for the people in South Florida. However, as a fan of a divisional foe, its all good.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a slightly different interpretation. The “significant moves” they need are trading away their tradeable assets, drafting and developing well, and then making a splash with FA acquisitions.

Tallon screwed up the cap situation in Chicago, but I think he did pretty well in the draft.

If Steven Weiss is available, you want him for 2C?

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I’d love that. Nathan Horton can play center, too, and he’d be great in that position. But there’s no way that they trade either of them to the Caps, sadly.

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by Wheeler on May 19, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see this as being at odds with what the ownership said, the serious moves didn’t need to be made at the deadline. The only major UFAs they had were Seidenberg, Leopold and Moore. Guys like Vokoun, Weiss, Horton, etc. all have at least one more year on their contracts so they can trade them this summer and still get good value back. Instead of rushing to trade those guys for picks and prospects at the deadline (when teams really didn’t seem to be willing to give up a ton) they can take their time and try to swing a deal that may include a player(s) that can step into the lineup this year.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, has the clock struck midnight for Montreal?

Sure looking like it.

I’m hoping they get swept – that would provide the biggest indictment of the Caps’ performance in these playoffs, imo.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I alternate between wanting the clock to run out on the Habs, and my stomach churning at the thought of yet another Pennsylvania team in the Cup finals.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philadelphia being in a position to win the cup would made me want to run a hot poker through my own eyes.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on May 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Philly loaded up for a run this year, and they hit the lottery.

They’ll pay for it, starting next year. They need 3 D, assuming you don’t want Bartulis taking a regular shift, and I would not if I were Philly. They need at least 3 F and a G. They have about $8.8M in cap space and the guys that they would be willing to trade have either NMC or NTC obstacles.

Finally, once they run into a team with the offensive depth to test Leighton, they’re screwed.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing is compared to their probable opponent in the SCF, if they beat the Habs, their cap situation actually looks good.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, funny. Chicago’s cap situation is so far beyond bad that it’s entered the realms of uniquely and totally FUBAR’d. Chicago is in danger of not being able to dress 20 guys if they don’t do some moving of parts; Philly will not be that bad off.

Philly is just going to have to sign a FA starting goalie (Theo?), which is going to eat the guts out of that cap space, or go back to a Ray Emery type solution and roll the dice.

If they sign a FA goalie, they’re going to be forced to rounding out their roster holes with marginal players. If they go cheap on a goalie, they can field a better team, but they’re really playing with fire.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest issues Philly has is Coburn (RFA, unless I’ve misread Capgeek) and the preferred parts to move like Hartnell and Gagne are NTC’ed.

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by red army line on May 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct about Coburn. And he’s going to get a pretty damned big raise, either through negotiation or arb. Philly surely wants to keep him, but if they jam $3M into Coburn and $4M into a Goalie, there goes their cap space.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still can’t believe Hartnell has a NTC. Say what you will about Walsh, but he’s negotiated some sweet deals for clients who in my mind are getting things above their skill level.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s like the Scott Boras of NHL agents. remarkable what he’s able to get out of teams.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that would also make him a c***sucker.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait to see what he gets for Halak.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given what he got for an average goalie like MAF, I’d be petrified if I was a Habs fan.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

When did MAF sign his deal? He was a little more accomplished than Halak is now. Cooling off so hard against PHI is going to take that number down a little.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he signed his current contract prior to the 08-09 season. 7 year, $35 million, limited NMC and NTC. via capgeek. feel free to correct me if I’ve misread something.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He signed it in the summer of ‘08 I think. 7 years, 35 million with a NMC and a limited NTC that kicks in beginning next season. For a guy with his numbers I’m not signing him to anything more than 3 year deal and no way in hell am I going to give him an NTC. The numbers in the contract go up over time. I beleive first 2 years were at 3.5 million

It’s not a ridiculous deal, but its definitely more than I would have done if I’m the Pens. He’s expendable in my mind.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t love the contract but I don’t hate it. He could easily have ended up with more if they didn’t lock him in when they did. I don’t think he’s elite, but he’s only a 5 million dollar cap hit. There are plenty of worse goalie contracts around. He hadn’t proven much when he signed it but he’s already made it worth it. Yeah, you could find a replacement, but having a little peace of mind in net is nice.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s certainly not as bad as I recalled. problem was the fact that MAF was signing a multi-year deal that shocked me.

My problem is I wouldn’t want to invest that much for that long in a guy like MAF. Too inconsistent and his numbers are average. I’m fine with the yearly pay as long as I’m not on the hook long term.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree he’s inconsistent and maybe after this post-season the Pens fans agree. But he’s also played some huge games for PIT and when he’s on he can be unbeatable. No goalie is hot all the time, and now more than ever I’m convinced that all you need is a goalie on his game for the playoffs, but MAF seems like a fine option. I hope GMGM can keep Neuvy/Varly together for the entire RFA period so we go into every playoffs with two goalies that could potentially get hot. If Boucher/Leighton can do it then so can Varlivirth.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are probably right. I just can’t justify in my mind having a guy like that being in a long term situation. He’s just so average.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he’s average. But he’s being paid less than Cam Ward and Cristobal Huet and Giggy and Turco and the same as Tim Thomas. His cost isn’t going up for 5 more years so especially by the end of that I anticipate his deal will look even better.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just named a bunch of bad goalie contracts. Boston & Chicago were plain stupid for signing those deals. I don’t remember where Giggy is in his deal off the top of my head.

I still think Ward’s is ok. He’s got better career numbers than MAF and before this season, in which he had injury and team issues, his numbers were only trending up.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think almost all the big goalie contracts are bad contracts. I just think MAF’s is less bad. I guess they could use that space to get some wings, but 5 million is going to be standard for any starting goalie going forward.

I just don’t know what you do about goalies. I’m not confident banking on the Boucher/Leighton magic playoff run, but I don’t want to pay 5+ for a 65 game starter.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m mostly with the BtN guys. The marginal talent difference between a journeyman and an average starter is small enough that it doesn’t make sense to contribute a big chunk of cap room to an average starter.

If you hit the lottery and draft a guy that turns out to be elite, then you’re golden. If you don’t, put a couple of cheap backups on the roster and split the starts, riding the hot hand where possible.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much, but how cheap are you willing to go? PIT is paying just under 6 mill for their goaltending. I think that’s pretty good. I’d rather it be split more evenly (like Varly and Neuvy both getting 2.8) but how many teams are succeeding and allocating much less than that to goaltending?

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points F&B.

Has anyone ever done Fanpost or even seen numbers anywhere in terms of how to allocate one’s salary cap? That would be a fascinating topic.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mirtle did on FTR last year. As expected, it’s top heavy. Lots of money to the top 2 D and top line, then some more to the 2nd line and pair, etc.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks I will look it up.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

F&B – I assume this is it?

It appears what happened in NBA and NFL is what is happening in the NHL. Middle class of vet players is getting squeezed out of the money.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Jermaine Dyes of the world getting put out to pasture, eh?

To keep it on topic, Dave Steckel should thank his lucky stars he’s got a longer term contract.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not wild about it either but it seems to me the Caps could move contracts like Steckel, Erskine and Sloan should be easily moveable, as long as we’re willing to take next to nothing in return.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erskine and Sloan are, contract considerations aside, valuable to have in the organization, given that you almost always need at least two fill-in defenders over the course of a year. I’d be happiest if their contracts could be stashed in Hershey, and thus off the books, but I definitely see the utility in having them (or their ilk) available.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to disagree on the Sloan value other than the fact that he can be a below-average to slightly below-average F OR D. Alzner should have gotten his minutes this year. Erskine I wouldn’t mind as a 7 or 8 D man, depending on where we’re at.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you need a guy like Sloan, who is capable of filling in as a replacement NHL guy. The average NHL team needs at least one callup from the AHL to play 20 games on D.

That’s where Sloan’s value is. He makes 700K and can fill in if need be.

I do agree with you about Alzner, though, and hope that KA plays a full year on the roster next year while one of Sloskine, and maybe both, ply their trade in Hershey.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

gun to my head, I’d keep Sloan over Erskine, and that’s not just because I’m part of TeamTyler.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sloan is cheaper, more mobile, and he’s sort of a “twofer” in that he can take a shift at wing in a pinch.

Erskine’s probably a marginally better defender, on balance.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

An AHL callup is still cheaper. You are only paying their NHL salary for those 20 games.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So stick one of Sloskine in Hershey, get their cap number off the books, allow the one who stays to be your 7th D, and maybe you can upgrade your 6th D somewhat.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can;t. They aren’t signed to 2 way deals.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless I misremember, a 1-way deal only means that they get the same actual salary whether they are in the NHL or the AHL. A 2-way deal means they get one salary in the NHL, and a smaller salary in the AHL.

Their cap number comes off the books if they are not on the NHL roster.

I think.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct, sir.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steckel maybe due to his f/o prowess. Not sure who would want Sloan or Erskine.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody’s got a Sloan or Erskine already and don’t want them.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s quite the case, especially for teams that need NHL bodies but are tight against the cap (relative to other teams). We’re not that tight.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago has Jordan Hendry. We have Alex Sulzer. Philly has Krajicek. MTL has Bergeron. SJS has Joslin.

See?

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is – their contracts are light, they’ve played games…wait and see if all 29 other teams pass on them ‘for future considerations’ before saying nobody else would have them. Only takes one.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, miscommunication then. I agree with you.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have lots of good young players that don’t make very much. That will allow you a mulligan or two with your overpaid vets.

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My gut tells me way less than that would be optimal. Say you have B. Johnson and Rolo for around $2M or something.

Look at Chicago, they’ve sunk a ton into goaltending, but it’s Niemmi who’s carrying them now.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve wandered over to the Btn camp over time, especially in this cap era.

One option is using a young goalie as one of the options, or in caps case this coming season two of them. This is similar to your 2 backup goalies structure.

More and more I think young guys are going to be used to fill holes. Entry level and even RFA deals are much easier to swallow and when the difference in numbers is so miniscule it makes sense much of the time.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too, agree big time, and agree even bigger time.

Having a steady supply of guys that contribute on ELC’s is going to be essential to the Caps going forward, as their stars pull in market-value dollars.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giggy is in the last year of a $6M cap-hit contract.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about the Wild’s Backstrom making just about what our Backstrom makes? How does that taste while Leighton/Halak/Niemi roll on?

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by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another guy that’s trending the wrong way. He really fell off the table this year.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Further proof you shouldn’t pay a goalie that much. Love what GMDP did with Rinne.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

2yrs, 6M. He’s obviously good enough to make at least that and more were it a long term deal but it enables us to allow for injuries and make sure he’s really the franchise goalie before coughing up a five or six year deal. Also Pekka is blooming pretty late.

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by Chris Burton on May 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had shown flashes of brilliance in ‘07 – 08, and the other goalies on that roster were Ty Conklin and some other guy, if I recall. And I think he played respectably in the playoffs and the Pens got to the ECF, right? I should go Wiki all this stuff, because I’ll invariably be wrong about the details. But at the end of the day he was young, had shown improvement all along the way, and Pitt didn’t have a lot of other options.

I recall at the time thinking that he looked like a good, solid #1 starter in the making. For a guy like that, , if that’s really what you’ve got, a $5M cap hit isn’t unreasonable.

He promptly followed the new contract by backing a Cup run, too. He just really fell to earth in a bad way this year. We’ll see if he can rebound.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s signed that deal coming off his best season so far. 2 years since then he’s not been as good and the numbers back me up.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you. At this point, he’s looking marginal as a true #1 guy.

I’m just saying that at the time he signed the contract, he looked like he was on a development curve to be a legit #1 guy.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a true #1 guy, be serious. Is he going to be a Vezina nominee every year? No, but that’s a rare goalie. He’s undeniably one of the top 30 goalies and I’d bet he’s at least top 15 on most peoples’ lists.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

.890 Save Pct for the regular season. .905 the year prior. .912 the year prior to that.

He’s trending the wrong way, in a big way.

So, yes, I have to say he looks marginal as a guy who’s going to get 60 starts and be the guy you lean on.

No?

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

next season will be interesting to watch.

.890. Wow. but the Caps are the team with the goalie issues….

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this year was horrendous. I don’t know what replacement level is here, but it feels like .890 is getting close to it.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

There just aren’t a lot of goalies that are locks anymore. I don’t know that there ever were. Outside that top elite group I think MAF is in that second category. He’s shown he can stay good enough for long enough to win a Cup. He’s not going to be so unreliable that he’ll keep PIT out of the playoffs, and he’s not killing the cap really. I’d love to hate on PIT more, but I think they can live with his contract.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, and this might be semantics, but part of being a “true #1” is the reliability factor; that you can pencil in 60-some starts for them, and figure they’ll have a Save Pct somewhere north of .910.

MAF ain’t there at the moment.

We’ll see if he can rebound. If he can’t, then he’s overpaid.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

By your definition there are fewer true #1s than NHL teams. I’m fine with that, but just acknowledge that lots of teams are signing guys that aren’t true #1s, including the Caps, Red Wings of the last two years, and 3/4 of the current conference finalists.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are, indeed, fewer True Number Ones than NHL teams.

Unless you’ve got that guy, I think it makes more sense to go cheap journeyman and throw your resources into the skaters, rather than overpay a guy who’s pedestrian.

I do think either Varly or Neuvy has a good shot to put together a 4-5 year run where they fit the criteria. Maybe.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The really only good consistent goalies I guess are Lundqvist, Vokoun, Thomas (going by sv%), and Luongo. Everyone else is kinda unpredictable year-to-year.

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by red army line on May 19, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Sjomin on May 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nabokov, Brodeur.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Nabokov is okay—has a really good season since the lockout, the rest is more his team in front than himself. Brodeur hasn’t been elite in a few years, from what I remember reading. Can’t remember about Kipper.

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by red army line on May 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

.891 was his playoffs save percentage. His last three regular seasons have been .921, .912 and .905.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oops, right you are.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevertheless, trending the wrong way.

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by caps123 on May 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but he’s also only 25 and the PIT D has been trending the wrong way as well. I wouldn’t put a ton of stock in it in terms of his future performance. I’d bet he’s hanging around .910 for his career. He’s never going to put up great numbers, but he’s not gonna completely sink a team either.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, I can live with .910 if a guy can do it for 60 starts. If you have any kind of halfway decent team in front of that guy, you’re going to make the playoffs.

We’ll see if he can bounce back.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot to add: In addition to the personnel problems with Pitt’s D, he also played a whole year in Bylsma’s system, which is much more pressure oriented than Therien’s was.

We’ll see how that plays out.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Crosby, Malkin and Staal up front that team should be able to generate enough offense to easily make the playoffs with Fleury putting up .910 for 60+ starts. Hell, Malkin had an off year and they still easily made the playoffs with a .905. Fleury is fine for the regular season, the playoffs matter. And while he isn’t always great there he’s shown a couple times he can play well enough for 2 months to win with that team.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

the MAF number that blew me away was the 8 times he got chased from the game during his 67 starts this season. 12% of his starts.

by Natty Bumppo on May 19, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many by the Caps? I remember one, at the last game.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

just once, iirc.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was coming off a SCF finals appearance, not just ECF. He had also missed a lot of time with injuries that regular season.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I finally went and looked it up. Conklin had a .923 Save Pct in about the same number of games as MAF, so that was a pretty good defensive team he had in front of him.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conklin was actually hot that year. He carried them while MAF was out, it wasn’t just a stingy defensive effort.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

After the 08 – 09 season, I think, and capgeek would tend to confirm that.

That, by the bye, is another example of a backloaded contract.

He’s getting in the neighborhood of $5M annually, which is about what a #1 Goalie gets these days. Of course, if you think he’s really a borderline starter, then he’s overpaid.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is that the contracts that are killing the Hawks won’t be as crippling as the bad ones in Philly. Kane, Toews, Keith and Hossa are all great young players (except for Hossa, who is still only 31), and while Campbell is overpaid he is still at least productive (and only 30). Huet is a bad contract but it’s only 2 more years. They’ll have to trade some guys, but the guys they have to trade aren’t their core and will still get them a lot back.

Philly has two defensemen in their mid-30s signed for over $6 mil a year for the next 3 years at least (3 for Timonen, 7 more for Pronger). Their play will decline and those contracts are untradeable. Briere’s contract is also untradeable, but that’s basically the equivalent of Campbell: bad contract but still productive. The guys the Flyers are gonna have to lose (like Gagne and Carter) are more important to the team’s long term success.

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by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Pronger contract is also an over 35, and I thought the NHL ruled that the Flyers are still on the hook for the cap hit, even if Pronger retires. What a cluster.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct about Pronger. There’s almost no way he plays out the whole contract; the last couple of years he’s going to be a dead money albatross.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dead money is the best kind of money.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, Ben.

Isn’t he off the books now?

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And PHI has all those NMCs that limit what trades they can make even if they want to make them. Can you imagine if Bolland and Sharp had NMCs? They’d be completely fucked.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be completely unfair to Knuble. The Hockey Gods shouldn’t be cruel.

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just can’t see any way Philly gets past either Western team. Like the Habs, at some point, their luck is going to run out.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly has gotten by with good defense against the minimal scoring threats they’ve faced, because their top 4 D are as good as anyone’s and they haven’t faced a team with the offensive depth to exploit their bottom pair and Leighton/Boucher.

That ends against either SJS or CHI.

All to say that I’m with you, the Western team ought to handle Philly pretty handily.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Flyers play Chicago in the Finals, remember this number — 22.

That is the number of goals the Caps scored in four games against the Flyers this season, largely because the Flyers could not keep up with the Caps’ forwards. Chicago will make them pay in similar style. Philly matches up much better against San Jose.

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by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

PHI is an entirely different team than they were when we faced them. I think CHI is better, but I don’t think there’s a ton to take away from the WAS/PHI season series.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t make too much of Philly. They didn’t exactly end the regular season with a bang (4-7-1), and they’ve benefitted from playing: a) a team they beat like a drum all year, and b) a team that couldn’t shoot the puck into the lake from the dock (and still almost got swept). Chicago is several steps up in weight class from any team they’ve faced in the East.

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by ThePeerless on May 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but they still have a lot of talent and are playing their best hockey of the season. Chicago looks unbeatable right now. I can’t wait for the sell-off.

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by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly poses an interesting matchup for them. Philly is as physical, if not more so, than they are.

If Carter comes back and can be effective it gets even more interesting. I still think the Hawks probably win, but they will pay a heavy toll to do so.

FWIW – Flyers won their only head to head matchup this season 3-2 at home back in March.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knuble’s number. Interesting.

It would pain me to root for the ‘Hawks, but I’d do it under those circumstances.

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I’ll continue rooting for the fiery asteroid.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might be a long wait. How about tainted locker room water?

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giant sinkhole. It could happen.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’ll work. what are we tainting it with? ebola?

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exlax, massive quantities of Exlax

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by Elliotte on May 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least he has a Cup!

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by red army line on May 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And isn’t named Marian.

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Now

yes i know it’s spelled differently…

Choking since 1985.

by macvechkin on May 19, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only Marion I ever liked played Mrs. C.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Them getting swept with Halak playing like shit won’t indict anything. People will look at the fact that MON has gotten more shots than PHI in both games and yet Halak has let in at least two soft goals in each game. If that Halak shows up 3 weeks ago the Caps advance. If that Halak shows up 3 games ago the Pens advance. This is just vindicating GMGM (and the attitude so many of us hate) when he says they just ran into a hot goalie. MON without white-hot-Halak is a pretty crappy team.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere, Allan Walsh sheds a single tear for his Client.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not even that. Hartnell’s one of his. He’s had guys on both sides in every EC series so far.

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by Carl Putnam on May 19, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t blame him, honestly. Why would he want to deal with that. If they want him to work on his game some more then they may as well let him do it at home.

I waited all year for this?

by Rob Parker on May 19, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It worked for Nicky, so why not. Plus it would help a bit with the Hershey log jam.

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by oldemystix on May 19, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t bother me much. Given the reports on his skills, if he’s not able to stick in the NHL it’s probably going to be due to physical maturity issues – stamina, strength, etc. He can work on those just as much at home as at the AHL level.

And the A can be a pretty physical game. If he can’t hack that in the NHL, why bother exposing him to AHL play? Let him get bigger and stronger in the SEL while he works on developing his other skills as well.

Or do you have a different take, YNC?

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No take in particular re: Marcus specifically, other than maybe I’d like to see him a little more excited about coming to North america, but a) the Swedes are so understated generally and b) he’s still young.

All the Swedes coming to the NHL will have that clause in their contract, and surely there will eventually be something similar for most of the other international transfer agreements. It may become more difficult to get Euros to play in the A.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should also be fair and note those are interviews for the hometown folks who naturally want to hear how devastated he will be to leave.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I’ll be very interested to see if he’s ready for NHL play at 19 (or will he be 20 by the time camp rolls around?). I tend to doubt he’ll be ready, to tell you the truth.

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by fat_daddyo on May 19, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that he’s not quite ready for the NHL, though Ice Warrior might know more, since she has actually seen him play. His team in Sweden, FBK, was very inconsistent from right about the time he came back (with a wrist injury) from WJC, played him at different positions on different lines, and was a worse team headed into their playoffs than they were at the beginning of the year, and went out in the first round (as I predicted). They’ve made some free-agent signings and trades for what look like more seasoned players, and maybe Mackan will benefit from their leadership.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

too funny.

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by RedBirdie on May 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely a “gotcha.” i like it.

by Natty Bumppo on May 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missing Gordo in Manchester.
And about the video….Now THAT’s how a Game 5 should go!

"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."

by bagace on May 19, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knew he was the key to the whole offense? Though the CBo-MP-Beagle line has been sorta MIA the last two games, which is odd.

Hershey, limited to 18 shots, began to look frustrated in Tuesday night’s 1-0 loss in Game 4. The Bears averaged 4.44 goals per game in the first two rounds; they’ve averaged 2.25 against Manchester.

The loss of first-line right winger Andrew Gordon, who exited in the first period of Game 2 with a lower-body injury, has been acutely felt.

Gordon’s absence has affected the top line, the power play and the fourth line, which Boyd Kane exited to move to the first line.

"We had found some chemistry with some of our forward lines," Bears head coach Mark French said. "Certainly, losing one guy has had a ripple effect with a number of the other lines."

In the last three games, Hershey hasn’t scored more than two goals during the 60 minutes of regulation play. Starting with the second period of Game 2, it has gone 1-for-10 on the power play. [Ed. note – AGord went out in the 1st period of Game Two]

"It’s frustrating just because it’s tough to get shots on net," Bears forward Jay Beagle said. "If you don’t get good, quality shots on net, you’re not going to score. They’re playing a good defensive game. We’ve just got to find ways to get it behind their D and work it down low."

The Bears did that in the final 10 minutes of Game 4. They hope to carry that into Thursday night’s critical Game 5 at Verizon Wireless Arena.

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by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joel Broda was a -1 in a 5-1 win. How the hell did he pull that off?

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on May 19, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

He had a couple of decent shots early that got stopped by the Brandon goalie, and after that, the Foucault/Bubnick line took over. In fact, Jimmy Bubnick is now the tournament’s leading scorer.

At any rate, it was a completely meaningless game, other than now Calgary will have “home ice” in their semifinal against Brandon on Friday. The winner plays Windsor for the Cup on Sunday.

by EmilyB on May 19, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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