"For the amount of superstars they have, they do a decent job, system-wise. Obviously, they spend a lot of time in the offensive zone, but, at the same time, defensively, they do a decent job, and sometimes people don't give them credit for that."
- Sergei Gonchar, disagreeing with R.J. Umberger (h/t Empty Netters)
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Gonch firmly playing the “let’ not piss ’em off” card.
"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP
Just look at how the Caps have played against the Pens the last couple of seasons as compared to how they have done against the Jackets the past couple of seasons. That explains the difference in opinion.
by freakinandpeakin on Apr 6, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
Orpik is kind of a little bitch, in terms of his vitriol for the Caps I mean. "Semin’s a baby, I have zero respect for him!!!!!’ after he lost the last game for the Pens by taking a penalty in OT.
Nevermind that he said that immediately after the game, while still fired up and later retracted most of it.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
Players should never, ever be held responsible for what they say in the moment!
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by iced on Apr 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
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Avery did this thing in the morning and actually called over more media members to hear him out. As usual, he knew exactly what he was doing.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
Yeah, that was not a heat of the moment thing. I’m still most upset that they didn’t just let him play and instruct the refs not to call an instigator on Phaneuf no matter what.
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
by Rob Parker on Apr 6, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When did he retract it and do you have a link or specific terms used?
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
I could dig it up, I know I read it somewhere but I’m a little too busy (read: lazy) to do it now.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
I got a chuckle that Gonchar, never given much recognition for the development of his own defensive game, is the one who gives the Caps a little credit it for their defensive game.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
Perhaps one who longs for greater defensive ability can best appreciate in others, while those who have it have contempt for all other defenders as being far weaker than their greatness.
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by souldrummer on Apr 6, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s not exactly what people here were saying after Umberger’s comments…
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Apr 6, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ironically...
During Gonchar’s first few seasons in his DC he was a defensive defensemen – and a pretty good one at that. It wasn’t until Ron Wilson came in and told him to “open it up” that he started using his god-given offensive talents.
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That’s, uh, not how I recall events.
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If anything I recall it being the other way around.
by Stephen Pepper on Apr 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe “defensive defenseman” isn’t the right term to describe Gonchar’s early years – mistake acknowledged. But he wasn’t an offensive defenseman at that point either. From his rookie season in ‘95 through ’98 he WAS responsible enough in the defensive zone and unwilling to take chances — even with Joe Reekie as a partner – as frequently as he did from 98-99 and on . (Up until 98-99 he wasn’t even the point man on the Caps PP – CalleJo and Phil Housley were.) After that he evolved into an offensive defenseman only, mirroring Kevin Hatcher’s evolution. And in both cases their respective defensive skills quickly whithered away.
I recall a WP article from the late 90s where Wilson asked Gonchar to start skating with the puck more aggressivley. Gonchar responded that his job was to play defense first and let the forwards score goals. I guess Wilson’s message sunk in for the 98-99 season.
Grimm's in. Jacoby's next?
Pretty much my thoughts exactly…I laughed when I read it because after watching Gonchar for years, I could see him looking at the Caps’ D and thinking, “hey, they’re not bad!”
Not that our D sucks as much as people think – he’s right, in my opinion. But it’s still funny ;)
also: playing for the Caps lessens one’s chances of being knee-on-knee’d while Ovie is boarding you and leaving his feet, that dirty SOB!
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Well, to be fair, shouldn’t you be listening to the most offensively skilled players to tell you which opponents have the best defense, and the most defensively skilled players to tell you which opponents have the best offense?
In other words, if Alex Ovechkin were to say “Buffalo plays phenomenal defense”, Sabres fans wouldn’t be like “pfft, what does he know about defense?”—they’d take it as a compliment from someone who would know best.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 6, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gonchar went on to add, “I think they are a great team, and would be happy to play there for 5.5 mil a season next year.”
You heard it wrong. He said, "I think they are a great team, and would be happy to play there for 5.5 mil a season for the next four years."
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by EmilyB on Apr 6, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
McPhee replied with “Thanks, but no thanks. Best not to give old relationships another go.”
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Chris Bourque and Milan Jurcina disagree.
"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war and there ain't no turnin' back. I mean, s---, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight."
they’re less-expensive dates :)
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by RedskinFan4Life on Apr 6, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know how many people caught the Mark French interview on XM/NHLN yesterday. He was talking about how the Bears play the same system as the Caps and approach the game the same way and also dominated the AHL. BB has won several championships and had very good teams with this system. After French hung up the hosts joked “I wonder if there’s an AHL Umberger that’s telling HER they play the wrong way.” Then they said that considering they are the defending champs, best team this year, and have two other recent Calder Cup finals under their belt it wouldn’t make any sense to level that critique.
That got me thinking. Is BB’s system something that can’t work in the NHL? Is it only suited to the minors? Or does BB just not have the personnel to run it correctly in the NHL?
I think it’s the latter. There are clearly good coaches and good players in the AHL. If there was an obvious flaw in this system it would have been exposed by another coach at a lower level. Hell, Dan Bylsma coached against this very same system in the AHL. I just don’t think we have the D that BB needs to make this system work. The good news? Mike Green, Jeff Schultz, John Carlson, and Karl Alzner are exactly the kinds of D that can make that system to work, and none of them are even close to their prime yet. Obviously I want the Caps to win this year, but I’m confident that as our D prospects develop we will play our system even better and be even tougher to score against. Now, if BB can’t fix the damn PK he may not even get a chance to see this process through…
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
by Rob Parker on Apr 6, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Pretty much every thing I’ve thought but just don’t have the hockey know how or patience to articulate. Well said, and I completely agree.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Apr 6, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Hershey running the same system as the Caps is one of the big things that’s helped the development of the younger guys coming up through Hershey. When you get called up on an emergency call or for a shot to make the big team, knowing how the system works is a huge benefit for the player and for the big team since they don’t have to retrain the player for a new system.
Scroll down to Ed Frankovic’s interview with Johnny Carlson here:
http://wnst.net/wordpress/edfrankovic/2010/03/25/theodore-leads-caps-over-pens-in-shootout/
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I definitely agree and lots of teams are doing it now. I know Buffalo was one of the first teams to do it and it’s caught on in a big way.
A pretty girl is like a violent crime.
Lowell games must be deadly dull, then.
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What aspect of BB’s system isn’t working, exactly? I think it’s working remarkably well, personally – took a dead-last team when he took over and pretty much instantly made them a juggernaut. Sure, the PK sucks, and there’s always room for improvement, but if he can fix the PK it seems like it’s all very good to excellent to me. I’d like to think the PK can be fixed somehow. It’s really the only major flaw that this team has.
by grapejoos on Apr 6, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vogel had a pretty good response to Umberger’s quote in yesterday’s pre-cap. If I remember correctly, it was that forcing the Caps to play in their own zone was precisely how the Pens beat the Caps last year and after the Blue Jackets game, BB called out the Caps forwards for not committing to defense, so Umberger has a point. We’ve seen the Caps when they’re fully engaged, however, and they’re more aggressive in every zone. I have to run, but I’m sure someone else heard it too.
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