Wednesday Caps Clips: Round 1, Game 4 Game Day
by J.P. on Apr 21, 2010 6:44 AM EDT
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Previews of tonight's Game 4 against the Canadiens from Vogs (and again), Peerless and NHL.com, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Habs Eyes On The Prize for coverage from the other side of tonight's match up.
- Notes, quotes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's day off (short version: the Caps' power play currently sucks (Bruce Boudreau's word, not mine) and the third D-pairing (Joe Corvo and Shaone Morrisonn) didn't skate but are hopeful to play tonight). [CSN Washington (Masisak, Masisak), WaPo (article, CI, pics), Dan Rosen (and again), Habs Inside/Out]
- Game 3's goals broken down. [EOTP]
- In praise of Semyon Varlamov's Game 3 performance. [Dan Rosen]
- Speaking of Varly, in case you missed it in the overnight, check out this translation of an interview with the Caps' rookie netminder after his first playoff start of the season. [Japers' Rink]
- At the other end of the rink, if Carey Price is in the Montreal net (as is being reported), several Caps have a score to settle. [CBC (and more on the Habs' goaltending situation here, here and here)]
- And not to be left out of the the day's goalie-heavy coverage, Jose Theodore. [Gazette]
- "Glory follows him." Sounds like something you'd embroider on a pillow with a religious symbol on it. Or what you'd say about John Carlson. [WaPo (and some fantasy Carly love - the safe-for-work kind - here)]
- Some love for F16, err, Eric Fehr... [Masisak]
- ... who is the "[p]layer the Capitals are vulnerable to losing via offer sheet." Doubtful. [Elliotte Friedman]
- The Habs' series-winning strategy? Lose Game 4. [D.C. Sports Bog (original screen grab here)]
- A look at the shot charts through three games. [Peerless]
- What we've learned through three games. [D.C. Landing Strip]
- Wyshynski, Smokin' Al and Alan May on WaPo Live. Good stuff. [CSN Washington (video)]
- Critiquing Joe B. and Locker. [WaPo]
- Some milestones to keep in mind. Already. [A Capital Offense]
- On Anthemgate. [D.C. Sports Bog, Ted's Take, EOTP, Jerseys and Hockey Love]
- "Backstrom is the most underrated player in the NHL by the average fan." Consider yourselves above average! [ESPN]
- Caps OT, Episode 6. [CSN Washington]
- You know it's Caps playoff time when... your site traffic is bizonkers. [Examiner]
- I guess it all depends on what your definition of "thorough" is. [SI]
- Horn Guy: The Interview. [RtR, who got some very cool accolades the other day - congrats!]
- Would the GVT Awards be the GVT-ees? [Puck Prospectus]
- Five Caps rookies made TSN's top 100 frosh for the season, including a trio in the top 33, a pair in the top 14 and one in the top five. [TSN]
- TV ratings, attendance and other such stuff. [D.C. Sports Bog, Puck the Media, From the Rink]
- "Slapstick." Okay... [Capitals]
- Nothin' like a good Dale Hunter interview. [The FAN 590]
- The Caps won the Presdients' Trophy with the first 120-point season from a non-Original Six team... and have the fourth best stable of prospects in hockey. Awesometown. [HF]
- Per the HHoF, on this date back in 1990, "Washington's John Druce scored a hat trick (with a goal in each period) as the Capitals won 6-3 over the Rangers, at New York in Game 2 of the Patrick Division Finals." The Druce was loose. Four years to the day later, "Joe Reekie scored two goals and goaltender Don Beaupre stopped 27 shots as the Capitals won 2-0 against the Penguins in Washington, in Game 3 of the Eastern Conference Quarter-Finals. Capitals took a 2-1 lead in their first-round series."
- Finally, happy 33rd birthday to Miika Elomo, happy 40th birthday to Stew Malgunas and happy 53rd birthday to Mark Lofthouse.
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I guess the Capitals seem to be set for seasons beyond this one.
And Previews of Game 3, J.P.? Looks like someone’s using a template! (Not that I have any right to complain about content here).
I have to go. But if I find one single dog hair when I get back, I'll rub... sand... in your dead little eyes. I also need you to buy sand. I don't know if they grade it, but... coarse.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Apr 21, 2010 6:49 AM EDT reply actions
nah, it’s not a template, JP just leaves a couple of errors in there to see if us up-waaay-too-early folks can catch them
Nah. I make mistakes because I’m subconciously sabotaging myself because I despise having to spend so much time doing Clips.
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by J.P. on Apr 21, 2010 7:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damned subconscious, always getting in the way.
I have to go. But if I find one single dog hair when I get back, I'll rub... sand... in your dead little eyes. I also need you to buy sand. I don't know if they grade it, but... coarse.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Apr 21, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Damnit. Sub-conscience. (That and Mozilla’s auto correct…)
I have to go. But if I find one single dog hair when I get back, I'll rub... sand... in your dead little eyes. I also need you to buy sand. I don't know if they grade it, but... coarse.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Apr 21, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh, am I missing a joke I don’t get?
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice – a typo in a comment about making mistakes. Off to a rip-roarin’ start today.
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I would love it if our fans wouldn’t boo the Canadian anthem for Game 5 Friday, but I think i’m being too optimistic.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 7:11 AM EDT reply actions
I have a better idea, like singing along with it.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
I would be ecstatic if they would just be quiet and respectful, but I fear the worst.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Request: Can we continue the discussion in yesterday’s Clips, where the issue was discussed ad nauseum? Yes, I know I included links here. But help a brother out, won’t you?
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Sure thing, Boss. I’ve said my piece, but if I have any more to say, I’ll send it over there.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Leaves more space here to talk about “1-2-3 it’s all your fault” and whooping.
"This guy is an android. He's not human....Oh my goodness."
I can’t recall Caps fans booing the Canadian Anthem ever at VC. Even in 1998 when the Caps played Ottawa.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to believe
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Young YLM learned about the cruel fate of sports that year, as everyone and their mother on that team was hurt by the Bruins series, and it was good night, Irene.
They wouldn’t have won that series anyway…too much firepower on the B’s between pre-Ulfie Neely, hitting his prime Ray Bourque, and Andy Moog playing out of his mind.
Craig Janney was nuts that year too.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Habs Inside/Out:
Tonight marks 50 days (!) since Price’s last victory, a March 2 win over the Bruins in Boston in the Canadiens’ first game following the Olympic break.
L’oof.
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But in his last six appearances, Price has a 2.66 GAA and .922 SV%. Throw out one awful period, and that’s 2.20/.936. It won’t be easy.
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It’s a pity, since Habs fans have been giving him grief since then (this game comes to mind).
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Would still be nice to see another couple of those awful periods.
by katzistan on Apr 21, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Am I not the only one who thinks that having Price in won’t be as good for us as people think? He was in for all the games this year, and he was stellar a couple of times. By no means do I think that this will be easy at all.
I suppose we’ll see what happens.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Scoring first is key. Get one early and the crowd will eat him alive; let him settle into a groove and it could be a long night.
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I’ve heard this before, but is “get scored on first” ever the alternate strategy? Is there any game you don’t want to score first in?
Check with Les Habitants’ PR staff.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Well, you’d have to ask the Habs web guys about that – they may have floated that strategy – but I think there are games in which it’s more important than in others. Score first on vintage Marty Brodeur? Big deal. Score first on Shaky McSeive? The rout is on.
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I was taking it as “get one in the first couple of minutes of the game” as much as “get one before they do”. JP, am I reading you right?
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Yeah, that too – getting one earlier rather than letting him get comfy would be a good thing.
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That’s what was good about the other night. I thought (going in) the atmosphere and crowd would rattle the team and it did, but they held the line and Gordon got the first goal to boot. There’s not much more to concentrate on other than getting one or two past Price.
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as I want the Caps to score first, I’d but a greater premium on keeping them scoreless in the first period.
My guess is that the Habs are going to come out, as they did on Monday, like bats out of hell and will test Varlamov. If he can stone them, they will get incredibly deflated. Jalak did this to the Caps in Game 1 and part of game 2.
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I see what you’re saying. I’m not really expecting a meltdown like the one we got last game – I have no doubt that Martin had some choice words about that behind closed doors after game 3 – but frustrating them is definitely a good idea.
That’s got two prongs to that, though – Varly stoning them and us smoking them when we feel like it.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
I think that jumping out to a lead will force them to open up a bit and lessen the likelihood of a great goalie performance from Price. I know that reads “Scoring on Price increases the chances that Price gets scored on,” but my point is that if the Caps get into a game of “next mistake loses,” they might just do that.
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Also, Montreal plays a bastardized trap when they can get away with it. Jumping out to an early lead stops that cold, which is a huge benefit to the Caps.
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Exactly my point. They were able to trap their way to a “next mistake loses” win in Game 1, but weren’t able to in Game 3. Game 2 was just a mess for them.
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Playing “next mistake loses” — a Hallmark of the Avs-Sharks series — is a terrible, terrible approach to the game.
Those who play “next mistake loses” often make the mistake.
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Playing "next mistake loses" — a Hallmark of the Avs-Sharks series — is a terrible, terrible approach to the game when you’re not facing Mike Green, Joe Corvo, Tom Poti et. al.
FTFY.
Kidding.
Sorta.
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Wow – somewhat pessimistic edits.
How about this as better:
Playing “next mistake loses” — a Hallmark of the Avs-Sharks series — is a terrible, terrible approach to the game when you’re not facingMike Green, Joe Corvo, Tom Poti et. al.Dan Boyle
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Don’t get me wrong – I’d rather be up 3-0 after 1 period than tied 0-0. I’m just noticing a pattern in game 1, game 3, and game 2 before the Caps woke up. The losing team was more of a “hare” and the winning team more of a “tortoise,” if that makes sense.
Let’s play our game for three periods consistently. Let’s not plan to come out stronger than normal or close stronger than normal. Our game, our speed the whole time. The Habs will go for a quick lead, get the crowd in and go from there. Let’s prepare for the 1st period onslaught, stymie them, play our game, and the goals will come.
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For me, tonight is a referendum on whether this team is championship caliber. You saw what Pittsburgh did last night in Ottawa. That’s exactly what the Caps need to do in Montreal; smell blood in the water, come out with a killer’s efficiency and quickly end any doubt that the Habs can play with Caps. If they do what San Jose did and allow it to go to OT or, worse, lose I’m going to start having some serious doubts about their makeup.
by b.orr4 on Apr 21, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know if it’s as conclusive as you make it sound, but I definitely agree that this is a huge test to see if these guys have that killer instinct I’ve been bemoaning.
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I may have over-estimated the importance of tonight by a tad, but after last night’s performance, Pittsburgh has to be the favorite in the East. That was playoff hockey at its best and, though I hate to admit it, Crosby was dominant. If the Caps are going to win the Conference, their level of play is going to have to be stepped up dramatically. The good news is that it looks like they won’t be meeting Pittsburgh until the third round.
Yes Crosby was good, but the Sens were emotionally spent early in the game and couldn’t stay out of the box.
I’m not ready to anoint the Pens as the favorites. We’re the #1 seed, best team in the regular season, and we didn’t lose to the Pens all season. As far as I’m concerned, we’re still the favorites.
The flip side of Crosby and Malkin playing well — where is the Pens secondary scoring? The Caps got huge props from Monday night with their secondary scoring. No one cared about OV or Nicky.
Don’t let all those NBC promos about Sid sway you.
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I agree that Ottawa was awful. Crosby was able to do just about anything he wanted with them.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
He is making Spezza look so bad. That is one thing I am enjoying.
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I think it was On the Fly after game 3 that said Ottawa had to get Spezza away from Crosby; those guys sometimes know of what they speak. :-)
Any specific reason for the Spezza hate?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I’ve always thought he was over-hyped and too soft. He has skill but he doesn’t work his ass off, doesn’t make the tough plays, and is a joke in his own end.
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Guys on the highlights call out his horrible backcheck on a Crosby goal. Ouch.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The Sens also dressed a guy that was basically told to leave and not come back (Cheechoo), due to injuries. Not taking anything away from the pens, because as noted above they clamped their hands around the jugular and squeezed, but it’s easier when you’re playing against a team that has such serious personnel issues.
The Sens are also a great matchup for the Pens to start with.
However, I do agree with the notion that it’s time for the Caps to show a killer instinct and put the Habs away now that they’re on the ropes.
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This is one of those times when I want to bring out my tinfoil hat, because I hate that Pittsburgh has lucked out twice in three years to get Ottawa in the first round when they’re falling apart with injuries.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
They got goals from Talbot, Kunitz, Staal, and Matt Cooke last night. That looks like secondary scoring to me.
Sid has been a beast, no argument. But that doesn’t really matter to me. It’s a team game and our team is playing better.
Sure, PIT scored at will on OTT. But everyone saw Elliott’s demise coming. I said OTT was smoke and mirrors all along. Throw in the fact that Michalek and Kovalev aren’t even dressing and Spezza is Thornton-lite and it’s not much of a shock. Pens are doing what they needed to (and are expected to) but I’m not at the “OMG the Pens are back” stage yet.
We’ve played the better goalie, the healthier team, and, outside the dismal PP, have looked every bit as good offensively. We also didn’t give up 4 goals to a team without two of it’s top 4 offensive talents.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Semin and the PP are the key. If they get going, then, yes, the Caps will be tough to beat. But, I’m of the school that the reigning champ is always the favorite until they’re beaten. Last night just showed me that the Pens are not going down easily. The regular season did show that the Caps are the better team and if they can handle Montreal tonight, I’m going to feel a lot better that they’ve learned their lesson of how to play in the post-season.
And don’t forget Poti getting 5 for fighting as our secret weapon.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
Yeah the reigning champ is the favorite. I agree. I just like our chances better this year. PIT was never going down easy though, that was a pipe dream.
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MAF – .867 Sv Pct last night. Against a team that is not running out of warm bodies, a legit NHL goalie and that isn’t soft as buttah, and they’ve got real issues.
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This year’sMAFPittsburgh team defense is defintely a step down from the Cup-winning version.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, but he’s shown he can turn it on at any time. That’s what I don’t like about him. I’m not scared of him and I don’t think he’s elite, but when he batons down the hatches he’s real tough. It’s just a matter of when that happens. Hopefully he waits until October.
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by D'ohboy on Apr 21, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ha
I am in an abusive relationship. I think. I keep telling myself it will get better and just when things are seemingly better, my heart happens to get cruelly ripped out once more ... in the playoffs. I am a Caps fan. Need I say more?
Win one. Do it fourteen times.
by Christoph J on Apr 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
My feelings exactly.
Also, Marty Brodeur:
2.98, .886 Ouch.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
People saw this coming, though. What I didn’t see coming was Brian Boucher.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait until Boucher plays a team with a real offense.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not like Boucher is facing a team that lights the world on fire in the offensive zone. The Flyers still have a very strong blueline when they can shield their bottom pair guys from the top line.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
You’d think New Jersey could, though. Parise, Zajac, Kovalchuk, and Elias aren’t exactly slouches.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they could in a system that didn’t require them to fall back into the neutral zone as soon as the other team touches the puck.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, seems to be a waste of resources.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Gagne broke his toe last night. Dunno if that’s a “play through” injury or not.
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Largely depends on which toe, and where it was broken… pinkie toe, probably can play through it. Big toe, maybe not so much (because that digit is integral to balance).
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Definite play through. If he can get his skate on he’s playing. Toes ain’t not thang.
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You know we’re talking about Gange, right?
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by jordanDC on Apr 21, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. But if you think he doesn’t play through pain you are fooling yourself. He gets hurt a lot but it’s not because he won’t play through. I like him a lot though so maybe I’m biased.
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The big question is can he get his skate on?
All they usually do for a broken toe is tape it to the next one over. But if it’s swollen to the point he can’t get his skate on, he has bigger problems than a broken toe.
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Remember how bad Poti’s foot was? These are NHL players. Tape or no tape they’ll get that toe in the skate.
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Carter’s foot was already broken so that’s less shocking. Normally if you can get your foot in the boot you can play but I guess Gagne broke his toe in a weird way.
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Yeah. Toes are tricky that way. If it’s a displaced fracture, and needs to be pinned, no way it’s going in a boot. Plus, the pain would be magnificently bad if it’s a weight-bearing toe…
I’d assume with a hairline fracture, they could strap you into the boot and it might even provide more support for general movement than they normally do for a fractured toe.
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Calle Jo had a busted, swollen foot and, if I remember correctly, had to cut the boot to get it on and off.
Too bad he was a playoff jinx. I loved the guy, but a puck was always going off his skate or pads at the wrong time. It was diabolical.
by The Jade Donkey on Apr 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhat related: Gagne is the longest-tenured pro athlete in Philly now that McNabb is gone.
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Oh. You mean Dr J retired? He is a doctor you know.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Update: Surgery for both Gagne and Carter. Simon out 3 weeks, Carter “indefinite”
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Uh, they’re fucked.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, I missed that. What happened to Carter this time? Or is it still the broken foot?
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He went to the bench directly after scoring his second goal and was really wincing…gonna guess that he reinjured the foot.
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At least they are limping to a victory if they make it. That will make the job a little easier.
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A little easier? How about a lot? You’d win games 4-0 or 3-0 all series.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not taking them lightly. Those guys are good but they aren’t carrying the team I don’t think. Their D is still going to make us work hard and they’ll play physical. Taking 1/3 of the top 6 helps though.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Shouldn’t take them lightly, true (Carcillo and Pronger ensure that) but they’re bringing a knife to a gun fight at this point offensively.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And Boucher is their body armor.
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Are you saying it’s going to be akin to the opening scene in Robocop?
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis says its Carter’s other foot. Too bad, I kinda like that guy.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, they’ve got lower-line guys like VrDyk and Giroux who can step up and score.
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JVR has sucked balls for quite some time. He’s hit that wall.
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If you lost two of your top forwards and you had to replace them with lower-line guys, you could do much worse. I mean, if you’re Pitts, NJD, Buff, Bos, etc, etc… You’re even more screwed.
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They’ll be OK. They still have Snidely Whiplash scoring OT winners for them.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha. Jordan totally called me out on that. Fucking Gagne.
Is that the same foot Carter hurt earlier in the year?
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Don’t know – it’s the one he scored his second goal off of, though, so it was a Pronger shot that did him in… (given Pronger’s primary “assist” on the goal…)
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Friendly fire, even better.
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Yeah… doesn’t sound like he’s getting that foot into that skate now, huh?
Owwies. Just. Owwies.
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Just makes the fact they are beating the Devils so much better. Just need them to squeeze out one more win and us take care of business tonight and Friday.
by Davethecapsfan on Apr 21, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they could in a system that didn’t require them to fall back into the neutral zone as soon as the other team touches the puck.
But Lou Lamarillo’s a genius. Everything he does is right.
Kovalchuk with the Devils looks an awful lot like Jagr with the Caps. Not for the mood swings, but for just looking like a really talented guy who is a really bad fit in that system.
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by ThePeerless on Apr 21, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope it makes him realize he shouldn’t re-sign there. Hope they gave up that package for nothing.
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Where does he sign, though?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a damn good question. I wouldn’t be totally shocked to see him back in the ATL to be honest.
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I would laugh so hard. If Don Waddell played Lou… that would shake the foundations of what we believe to be true.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t care. I thought he wanted to compete for a Cup but I don’t even know now. Maybe KHL. Maybe some team that throws a ton of cash at him.
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I really don’t see him staying there. If he’s smart, he’ll see the lack of a #2C (Zubrus? Please.) and Marty’s rapid decline and Lemaire’s stifling system and say sayonara.
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by fat_daddyo on Apr 21, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thought he looked entirely Jagr-esque when he drew a penalty on a semi break, saw the hand go up, and just skated away from the puck. “Well, I did my job. Could I take that puck and power behind the net and hold it while we get an extra attacker on? Sure, but that sounds like a LOT of work…so screw it.”
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Two of the Sens goals were 5 on 3, though. It’s tough to fault him on those — especially when the guys were so wide open.
It’s a good point – I watched only a minimal portion of that game.
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Actually, I got just the opposite opinion from watching Pitt play Ottawa last night – Pitt struggled to put an absolutely horrendous Ottawa team away. Even before all the injuries (Michalek, Kovalev, Kubina), Ottawa was the weakest team in the playoffs (-13 goal differential). They only really made it to the 5th seed based on one stretch of smokingly hot play.
If Pittsburgh is struggling this much against a team with an offense so anemic that they called up the Ghost of Jonathan Cheechoo, they’re hosed against someone like Philly.
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There you are. I wanted to point out that there are Nashville players averaging over a PPG!!!!11
/small sample size’d
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Kubina?
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Pssh. They wish.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I assume you’re still holding the position of head muckety-muck on that bandwagon?
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by Steck It Out on Apr 21, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I certainly am, but they’re not gonna sign him anyway this offseason. And he would probably want too much.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem being, we’re the team that’s going to get Philly (assuming we win our series and Philly doesn’t blow three straight elimination games). Pitt is getting either BOS or BUF and I don’t see them struggling all that much against either squad (although I’d love to see Savard come back and hero it up).
I think the chances of our getting out of series against the Flyers without significant fatigue and/or injured players aren’t strong, whereas PIT could stay fairly fresh against either of their potential opponents. Not something that makes me real happy.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
At least if they get BOS maybe Lucic and Chara spend 5 games exacting revenge.
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And Rask is far superior to Elliott. And Savard will probably be back as well. I’m kind of talking myself into wanting Boston to face Pittsburgh.
And the B’s actually play team defense.
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I think OTT plays team D, just not Spezza.
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Right now, I think just about anyone can score on MAF.
He’s like that girl at a party who keeps reminding you of how wasted she is.
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MAF is Eric Cartman’s mom?
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He’s also a hermaphrodite. . . have you ever noticed that you’ve never seen MAF and Lady Gaga in the same place at the same time…
Coincidence?
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You can’t prove it’s not. So it’s true.
But the sample size is too small. So it’s meaningless.
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Whatever. Everyone knows that MAF has a gaping 5-hole.
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So now AO is Eddie Murphy?
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s worth noting that the Pens really aren’t all that deep. WBS is already out of the Calder running (they got swept by Albany). Maybe it’s just me looking for hope, but their D doesn’t look the same as it did last year. It just doesn’t.
I have to admit that I’m still thinking about MTL, though. If this is going to happen, the sooner we can put MTL away, the better off we’ll be.
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PIT is not as deep on the big club or in the organization. Shero has played his hand to win in the short term. Long term… he’ll figure something out. He’s got one Cup so he doesn’t have to answer to anything but if we are looking forward I like what GMGM has built more than what Shero has built.
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I do, but hopefully we can win sometime. :)
That said, the Pens may land the easier draws, but the Caps are better stacked to handle that, I think. Yes, the Flyers look really scary right now, but bear in mind that they’ve had NJD’s number all year long (5-1 in the regular season). Whether it’s a style thing, Marty losing a step, or what, I can’t say, but we know they have. (FTR, I’m not surprised at the status of that series.)
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I’m not surprised at the status either. And I think facing tougher opposition might be good for this team’s mindset. Snap them out of whatever complacency they have left.
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Pittsburgh team is Pittsburgh’s team. They do not have much in the way of high end prospects in their system. They have perhaps one legitimate top-six prospect in Eric Tangradi; they do not have any sure-fire top-four defenseman prospects, and they do not have any goaltender who can count on a long career in the NHL.
That five year run of top-five picks is their team, for better or for worse.
Already having a Cup, one would argue for the “better” part.
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by ThePeerless on Apr 21, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Despres is a top 4 D but after that they need some help. Sneep could end up contributing but he’s not going to be an NHL stud and is still a couple years away.
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Which I think is what F&B was saying. Yes, they’ve already got a Cup, but it’s one Cup. Detroit has been in the playoffs for 19 straight seasons and has four Cups in that time. Now THAT is a dynasty.
Just sayin’.
What I’m getting at here is that if the Pens have to dip into their AHL talent due to injury, they’re in trouble. The Caps, less so, and because if their depth up top, there’s less of a likelihood that they’ll have to do so.
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That’s not even a dynasty. We want a dynasty so bad to talk about that we just label good organizations “dynasties.” Sorry, those don’t really exist anymore and I’m not willing to water down the meaning of “dynasty” for the sake of artificially spurring some debate.
/not just you, in general
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touchy steelers fans.
One too many words.
/walks over to OT
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
But the Pens’ best 4 players are all young (Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fluery) and they have to good young offensive defensemen under 25 (Letang and Goligoski). They may not have depth in the minors, but does it matter when you have a good, young core?
You need somewhat competent talent all throughout your lineup, right? They’ll have to fill out their lineup basically with cheap role players who’ll overacheive playing with Crosby, Malkin, and Staal.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it matters. Those guys can’t all be re-signed forever and I’m not sold on Goligoski yet. Letang has all the tools but still needs to take another step. Once their respective contracts end I don’t think you see Malkin and Crosby on the same team anymore.
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They’re all signed for at least 3 more years.
Look, I’m not saying that’s how I would’ve built my team and I’m not saying that it isn’t without many problems (mostly the injury issue). But this team can be sustained as a very good one for the next half decade.
Obviously it’ll be very good. If they keep Crosby and one other core player and don’t make ridiculous FA signings and draft picks they’ll be a good team. I don’t think anyone said they’d fall off the face of the earth. I just think they don’t have a ton of flexibility in case something goes wrong or they can’t afford to keep a guy.
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I’m not seeing either Letang or Goligoski as a top pair defenseman in the long term. They are going to have a fine time trying to replace Gonchar, even if he is at the end of the road there. As for Despres, he has years to go before he contributes, which means he has years to demonstrate he is — or is not — a top-four defenseman.
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by ThePeerless on Apr 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I could see Despres pushing for a roster spot pretty soon. He had a big year in the Q and he’s physically mature. Add in the lack of defensive depth and possible departures of several NHL guys and I could see him getting a look. I’m not really sure where he is at right now though in terms of development.
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I’m not terribly afraid of Philly, I think their success against NJ is more due to the fact that it is a great matchup for them than it is that they are a great team. They have the top-end D to take care of NJ’s minimal offensive threats and protect Boucher and their offense owns Brodeur. The Caps offense can much more easily expose Philly’s bottom pairing D and Boucher. The offense will give the Caps D more trouble, but the fact that the Caps O will be able to control the puck much more than NJ is doing will really help out the D.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He has an OT GWG, clearly he’s as clutch as Crosby.
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OTT is the worst team in the playoffs (and I was saying this before the season even ended). I put very little stock in the fact that Pittsburgh is killing them. Giving up 3 goals a game against an injured Ottawa team doesn’t exactly scream championship calibre D and goaltending.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I see this one playing out with the Habs coming out flying, but not for as long as they did in Game 3 (basically all of Period 1). Figure the Caps get out of the first with a lead and then put the clamps on.
FWIW, I think Montreal is done like dinner.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I have mixed feelings on it. We were definitely able to score against him (a quick take gave me an average of 3.5 per game), so if the team plays like they did on Tuesday, all should be fine.
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No one asked, but if it was me, I’d have gone back to Halak for Game 4 and then to Price if that didn’t work.
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Yeah, but think of the headlines if they win game 4. “The Price Is Right”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I’ll not link to any “Price is Right/Wrong” headlined articles or posts tomorrow. Don’t want to encourage that.
However, I’d likely dedicate a post to anything titled “Last Season’s Winners: Whitman, Price and Halak.”
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I’m waiting for him to get dealt to San Jose so they can run with the “Price/Greiss” combo.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No dice (though it would be nice).
/OT’d
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I’ll run it by my lawyer, who used to represent Heidi Fleiss.
/done.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Pull Stephen Weiss from the Panthers and you may have something.
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Gah, beat me to it.
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by ThePeerless on Apr 21, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I not the only one who thinks that having Price in won’t be as good for us as people think?
And don’t forget that Price has some history with some of these Caps players.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
More on that here (also in this Clips post):
Green would love to get a shot at revenge over that lost championship.
“Absolutely,” he said.
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A shot of extra motivation, perhaps?
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Or simply more bullshit talk from the guy who has least earned the right to flap his gums?
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Maybe, but that’s a pretty innocent answer to a leading question.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I know. I’m just tired of hearing quotes from Mike Green instead of seeing him walk it.
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I’m a Green apologist and he is beginning to annoy the crap outta me.
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by JSchon on Apr 21, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m with you. I’ve said he should win the Norris all season. Good thing the voting already happened because Doughty and Keith are stepping it up. Green…
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Dude, Keith has been invisible almost all series.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. I’ll go remove my foot now. I just saw his TOI numbers. I missed almost all of the series so far.
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No prob. Weber has been better than DK by a country mile thus far. He completely pwned Kane twice last night. I think Kane is still looking for his manhood.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Sullivan and Legwand made Keith look silly on that nice goal last night
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. If only Legwand played like this all the time. He’s been a monster this series. Best skater on either side.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Was amazed he only scored 11 goals during the season with how he’s looked
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Norris Voting
2009… Zdeno Chara, Mike Green
2010… Duncan Keith, Mike Green
2011… Drew Doughty, Mike Green
2012… John Carlson, Mike Green
2013… Alex Pietrangelo, Mike Green
I have felt your pain…
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by ThePeerless on Apr 21, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
2011… Drew Doughty, Mike Green
2012… Drew Doughty, Mike Green
2013… Drew Doughty, Mike Green
FTFY
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you’re not feeling Shea Weber or Ryan Suter for a Norris until at least 2014? Damn.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re good enough, obviously, and I’d love several, but they play in Nashville and will never, ever put up those numbers as long as Trotz is coach. It is what it is. Put Weber in Washington or Chicago and you have a trophy shelf, I’d guess.
But Doughty will be better than all of them. He’s got a better combination of tools than Green, Keith, Weber, or Suter.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless Doughty misses significant time or Green scores 40 goals one year it’s Doughty’s to lose.
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Pretty much, unfortunately.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
2010… Jeff Schultz Drew Doughty, Mike Green
2011… Jeff Schultz Drew Doughty, Mike Green
2012… Jeff Schultz Drew Doughty, Mike Green
2013… Jeff Schultz Drew Doughty, Mike Green
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by cobracg on Apr 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He’s over preforming!
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by J.P. on Apr 21, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, that isn’t a bad thing in any way.
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You guys weren’t happy with Green’s performance in game three? TOI leader, +2 and 1 assist doesn’t cut it these days huh
Read through the thread. That game was OK, it’s the gum flapping we don’t like. And really, that stat line looks alright but he is still not on his game.
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Also, the Caps were 0-4 or 5 on the PP, which falls somewhat on him.
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We like whatever D is the flavor of the week around here I guess. Seriously, we’ve thrown just about every D under the bus besides Schultz and Carlson.
Is that somehow undeserved? We even talked about how Schultz was disappointing in game 2. It’s not “flavor of the week” it’s “I want to win a fucking Cup and we need Green on his game to do that.”
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Green has underperformed thus far this series. I hardly think that’s “throwing him under the bus,” it’s just an accurate representation of his play.
To be fair, none of our defensemen have been consistently stellar – even Carlson has made a couple mistakes that led to goals.
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Fair enough. I do think the whole bulletin board material thing is more overblown than anything and is more for the fans than the players to talk about. I can see being a little underwhelmed with Green’s start to the series. I am still confident he’ll be fine though.
by Kolzilla on Apr 21, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not a fan of trash talking at any point, but if you’re going to do it, you had better back it up – and I don’t call one decent game backing it up.
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Well like I said, he played a pretty damn good game three. I think people were looking for things to criticize there. Our defense completely shut them down after the first and Green was a big reason why.
Damn near impossible for him to not be a +2 with how that game went. The assist was nice, but as I pointed out elsewhere it came after he bobbled the puck to botch a scoring opportunity of his own, so he dished it off to Laich who made the better shot. Green was fumbling pucks and missing offensive chances all game.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in Hershey for both games the Bears played against Hamilton that year, and here is what we wrote at the time….
Carey Price…he played two – count ‘em – two regular season games. Well, that was enough warm-up. He looked like he’d been in the NHL ten years. What economy of movement. He didn’t make a single move The Peerless could see that he didn’t have to. As Bruce Boudreau put it after the game, "I don’t know if he even sweats out there." It should have been recorded for teaching purposes. But The Peerless is troubled by one thing. When you look at Jean-Sebasitien Giguere, he has the look of the Michelin Man with his puffed up chest protector. But Price? He looks like freakin’ Jackie Gleason in pads. He has the widest backside in all of goaliedom. And his pants are falling off him to boot. I thought, either this kid stuffs his pants, or he’s carrying the biggest damned pant-load in the history of the AHL. Butterfly?…He looks more like “Butterball.”
He’s still the biggest pantload around, but he looks not so much calm as tentative.
If you've read this far...seek help.
God dammit, Green. “Price looks a little off these days”? Someone gag this man.
You had me at no problem.
Seriously. If he’s gonna keep playing like crap he needs to go back to jamming cheeseburgers down his pie hole instead of doing his best to fire up the other team.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that’s going a little too far. He did just fine in Game 3. Let’s see what he does in Game 4.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
I don’t think anyone would be ripping on Chatty McChubbyCheeks if he would just shut his mouth off the ice. I’d be mildly pleased with his improvement in game 3 if it wasn’t accompanied by every bulletin board material comment in the book.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Boy, you lot turn on players faster than anybody I’ve ever seen. Wow.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Do I? I could have sworn I was arguing for Green to win the Norris all year. I’m pretty sure I’ve supported the guy plenty. So maybe I should refrain from criticizing him. Just submit your list of guys that can’t be critiqued, so I know for future reference.
I haven’t even turned on Green. You ain’t seen nothing yet. I just have a very low tolerance for players that talk shit in the media to start with. There’s absolutely no tolerance for players that talk shit and bring their C-game.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Exactly.
You argue for Green for Norris, and then the minute he does something boneheaded, you’re on him like a dog on a big juicy steak.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You need to understand that we can simultaneously like and root for players while also wishing that they would improve.
For example, I’m happy when Flash scores, but I still wish he weren’t floating for 9/10 of the game.
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by D'ohboy on Apr 21, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No you either like a guy or you don’t. It’s all black and white. You are either in a guy’s Lobby and thus refuse to criticize him, or you hate the guy and he’s a bum that does no right. This goes especially true for the most skilled players that have the greatest expectations. You either acknowledge their contributions and skill or you criticize them when they don’t play their best. There is no middle ground, as a practical or logical matter.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you’re happy when Flash scores, why do I never see any indication of that?
“Wishing for improvement” is vastly different from the words I am reading here today.
Chatty McChubbyCheeks
Just. Plain. Rude.
Seriously. If he’s gonna keep playing like crap he needs to go back to jamming cheeseburgers down his pie hole instead of doing his best to fire up the other team.
Ditto. Jamming cheeseburgers down his pie hole? REALLY???
Those two stand out as being a bit over the top on the critic-o-meter and start going into personal attack.
“Green should really learn what he should and should not say in an interview; it would improve his reputation if he didn’t make comments like the one he made when he said, {whatever},” would be good, honest criticism, and one I actually agree with. Telling him to shove cheeseburgers down his pie-hole and calling him Chubby McChubbyCheeks or whatever? Not so much.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just. Plain. Rude.
More like funny. Loosen. Up.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Not funny at all to me.
I really do not like the name-calling that goes on around here. It IS rude, and that’s all there is to it.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
And I don’t like the defensive sensitivity like we are picking on your 8 year old son. It derails legitimate discourse and that’s all there is to it.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s no legitimate discourse in the phrase “Chatty McChubby Cheeks.”
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Not when you can’t take a joke.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK, fine. No, I can’t take a joke when it’s that style of joke. Having been the butt of those sorts of things for the majority of my childhood – oh, not fat jokes, but four-eyes, and klutz and stuff like that – no, I don’t like to see people putting other people down. So sue me.
Alternatively, I’ll ignore you in the future and let you have your little-boy name-calling fun to your heart’s content.
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They are adults though. If anyone was talking about a kid this way I would totally support where you are coming from.
I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life.
Very true, and I probably need to work on my knee-jerk reactions to this, but please recognize that it IS a hot-button for me, I don’t like it, and I’ll try and be more tolerant if I can, but if I think a joke went too far, I will probably still say something.
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If the joke hasn’t, the conversation’s well on it’s way to, before someone says something that REALLY hurts.
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think any of the players actually read it? How is it rude if nobody knows it’s happening?
The stained horizon
Dark rein and rider
The steed. . . Ovechkin
Does Crosby see it when people here call him Crysby? No, but we’re still asked not to do it.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Chatty McChubbyCheeks is way more clever than Crysby. And it’s only been used once. I’m sure if I made that a routine nickname people would want that to stop as well.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I don’t care anywhere near enough to argue this (and I love a good nickname [and comedy]), but that’s the coppiest cop out that ever copped out.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Nope. It’s perfectly cromulent and if you can’t tell the difference it’s on you.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
You certainly embiggened your position.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The context is totally different.
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Dark rein and rider
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by D'ohboy on Apr 21, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d suggest there’s a difference between being like every other Caps fan and being avant garde, and F&B was clearly on the latter there (as evidenced by my rec).
That said, neutral corners to all.
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You do realize this is the internet, right? Hyperbole is pretty much the norm in these parts.
Put it another way: If F&B really thought that Mike Green was a fat, useless sack of crap, then why has he been constantly lobbying for the guy for the Norris Trophy?
The stained horizon
Dark rein and rider
The steed. . . Ovechkin
Oh, I’m sorry – I’m just supposed to not comment on it when someone says something I consider out of line? Just let it all go; this is the Internet (upper-case I, BTW), and everything goes on the Internet?
Not the way I operate. Sorry. I call a spade a spade, and I call that comment rude in any context.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
lowercase internet is becoming increasingly accepted throughout popular media.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
You can comment on it all you like; I’ll just disagree with you.
Moreover, I’ve yet to meet anyone on this site who doesn’t regularly use sarcasm, hyperbole, or ribald humor.
The stained horizon
Dark rein and rider
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by D'ohboy on Apr 21, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think a lot of people that get defensive over the name calling here think of the players too much as their best friends or children.
It doesn’t mean anything. The players don’t care about the names or about any one fan particularity, we’re sort of insignificant.
You should hear the names they call each other. Chubby Cheeks isn’t anything…if D’oh or someone said that to Green he’d laugh and have a witty comeback in about 1 second.
I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life.
What was the locker room nickname they have for 28 again? <cough, cough>
I am in an abusive relationship. I think. I keep telling myself it will get better and just when things are seemingly better, my heart happens to get cruelly ripped out once more ... in the playoffs. I am a Caps fan. Need I say more?
Win one. Do it fourteen times.
by Christoph J on Apr 21, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Alexander?
I am in an abusive relationship. I think. I keep telling myself it will get better and just when things are seemingly better, my heart happens to get cruelly ripped out once more ... in the playoffs. I am a Caps fan. Need I say more?
Win one. Do it fourteen times.
by Christoph J on Apr 21, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice. I like the way you think
I am in an abusive relationship. I think. I keep telling myself it will get better and just when things are seemingly better, my heart happens to get cruelly ripped out once more ... in the playoffs. I am a Caps fan. Need I say more?
Win one. Do it fourteen times.
“Kid Hustle” sounds like a name of a character from Mike Tyson’s Punch Out!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re happy when Flash scores, why do I never see any indication of that?
Because it’s playoff time.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because it’s playoff time.
Bingo.
As the intensity and the fierce urgency of each game goes up, so does the critique. This is what we’ve been waiting for with all the players. It’s ultimately why GMGM acquired players like Knuble, Chimera, Walker and Corvo.
The experiment called the regular season is over.
I am in an abusive relationship. I think. I keep telling myself it will get better and just when things are seemingly better, my heart happens to get cruelly ripped out once more ... in the playoffs. I am a Caps fan. Need I say more?
Win one. Do it fourteen times.
by Christoph J on Apr 21, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I meant it more in that you don’t see people happy that Flash scored because he doesn’t score in the playoffs. But yours works too.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Green will never see that and it was hilarious. Sorry to jump in at the end, but I laughed.
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the minute he does something boneheaded, you’re on him like a dog on a big juicy steak.
With the amount of money getting dished out to him, it’s not entirely difficult to expect more from the guy. Show me the money? Show me the game.
I am in an abusive relationship. I think. I keep telling myself it will get better and just when things are seemingly better, my heart happens to get cruelly ripped out once more ... in the playoffs. I am a Caps fan. Need I say more?
Win one. Do it fourteen times.
by Christoph J on Apr 21, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Highest scoring D in the regular season, spent all year trying to rehab his image, leads off game 3 with “Just watch. That’s all I’m saying.” And comes out with a disappointing performance by his standards. It was his best game of the series and still wasn’t anywhere near what we’ve grown to expect from him. And like I said, I’d be mildly ok with the improvement if it came with silence. You don’t see Nick talking shit, and he’s been the best Cap.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I understand that, but sometimes that’s not an acceptable excuse.
That excuse sure isn’t working for Big Ben.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I really hate it when people go to other sports to make their points about hockey players, because I don’t know shit about other sports and it’s an instant conversation-ender.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
You haven’t heard a thing about Big Ben? That’s pretty funny. I was making a joke, not a real point.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
He rapes women or something. Doesn’t seem to equate to our trash talking junk food addict.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
No, he’s been accused of raping women because he hangs out at college bars and does stupid shit that makes a famous person vulnerable to such claims. The “it’s his personality/lifestyle” defense doesn’t work there even though he isn’t doing anything illegal, and that was the point of F&B’s comment.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it more of a cult of personality? Like Josef Stalin? Or Gandhi?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll tell you one and one make three.
The stained horizon
Dark rein and rider
The steed. . . Ovechkin
The cult of personality?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Vernon Reic’d
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he did just fine in Game 3. He needs to be much better if this team is gonna go far in the playoffs.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he does. Good call.
Speaking of AHL stuff – Giroux does a chat with fans, questions and their answers posted here.
He’s got a couple of rituals himself, apparently.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
L’oofa.
Got your back there, JP. ;-)
(Sorry, I know, miserable pun followed by another…but it’s Wednesday!)
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
So I’d never really looked at the GVT formula before, but the forward defensive GVT is measured in part by the amount of PK time they get? I get the idea that the best defensive players should play on the PK, but simply 4-on-5 TOI? That seems to measure less about actual performance on the PK (Steckel, David; Poti, Tom) and more about their role on the team or what the coach thinks of them.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 7:37 AM EDT reply actions
Strange.
Is offensive GVT measured in part by the amount of PP a guy gets? Would seem to have the same flaw.
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The more I read about GVT, the less I like it. That formula really needs to be tweaked.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Player Contribution blows GVT away.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Got a link where I can find that? I’ve never read up on PC. Is that a behind the net thing?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Thx. I’ve always been a fan of his brother Isaiah.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Not me. I liked C.C.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I became less of a fan once I seen what he gone done.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
(Actually, Google “alan ryder player contribution”)
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Or even just search the Japers’ Rink comments for Alan Ryder season review. I know Knee has posted it here before.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Found it and bookmarked it. Don’t have time to read that 60 page report right now.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally understood, but it’s a quicker read than it seems. Definitely worth it. The stuff on the defensive players is really eye opening. It looks like some of the numbers are skewed in favor of guys that get high ice time. It’s not a huge problem for me but it’s something to keep in mind.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
And the spreadsheets are fantastic too. Really well organized.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing GVT has over Player Contribution is that GVT is now on BtN, so it can be checked throughout the season. Player Contribution is an annual publication if I am not mistaken. Don’t get me wrong, Ryder’s analysis is indispensable, but GVT is a handy reference mid-season.
"He was the patron saint of quality footwear."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely agree. I’m just not convinced that a worse stat can be salvaged by mid-season updates. It helps but it’s a rough sketch.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
All stats are a rough sketch, IMO. There is no catch-all stat that can absolutely stand on its own. We value GVT differently I guess, but I feel it is still valuable used in tandem with other stats.
"He was the patron saint of quality footwear."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah good point. I guess my use of “rough sketch” was meant to demonstrate how much more skeptical I am of it. I like how Ryder breaks things down as much as possible and I personally am in favor of erring in favor of overvaluing TOI.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I need to see a player skate in at least 1000 games. Anything less is too small of a sample size to determine anything about a player’s contribution.
"He was the patron saint of quality footwear."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I also don’t like how GVT doesn’t take into affect QUALTEAM or QUALCOMP
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
QualComp and QualTeam both have their own set of problems though.
"He was the patron saint of quality footwear."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually don’t like anything that relies too heavily on Qcomp or Qteam. I’m highly skeptical of both stats because of how heavily they are based on plus/minus. There’s also a huge problem with translating the numbers for teams that match more than others, or guys that coaches frequently match against. BB doesn’t match so our guys have lower Qcomps, and that is compounded by the fact that other teams put their checkers against us. Checkers come in as low Qcomp but in reality they are some of the toughest players to play against (and especially to score against). I bet AO would have a harder time playing against Mike Fisher but I bet Spezza has the higher Qcomp.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Spezza sucks balls. Honestly, there is no more disappointing player in the league. I’d put Thornton up there, but at least he produces in the regular season. Spezza has size, passable speed, and all the skill in the world. If he had 1/2 the drive that Crosby or Ovechkin do, he’d be a superstar. Instead, he’s just a satin pillow.
The stained horizon
Dark rein and rider
The steed. . . Ovechkin
I can’t readily find that formula after a couple of minutes of digging, but I wouldn’t like that one, either. Would explain some of why Flash’s offensive GVT was so high earlier in the season, though.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Part 3 is where the meat of the formula is. I’ve read that article at least three times and I still don’t understand it fully.
"He was the patron saint of quality footwear."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, having a look.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Part 2 has a section on ice time at the very bottom that addresses PP and PK situations. I’m not sure what to make of it yet as it looks like I need a refresher in GVT as well.
"He was the patron saint of quality footwear."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Capitals boast the #4 farm system. Very cool.
Other notables…
Pittsburgh #24
New Jersey #26
Philadelphia #28
Our next 5 guys, after the top 5 of Varlamov, Carlson, Alzner, Neuvirth, Perreault, are Johannson, A.Gordon, Bouchard, Orlov and Kugryshev.
Any of those guys gonna definitely see top 6 action in the next 2 years? I’m hopeful but I have my doubts.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
Our next 5 guys, after the top 5 … are Johannson, A.Gordon, Bouchard, Orlov and Kugryshev.
I wonder where that set would rank put up against other teams’ top 5’s. Not too close to the bottom, I’d think.
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Johannson is rated a 7.0B
A.Gordon 6.5B
Bouchard 7.0C
Orlov 7.0C
Kugryshev 6.5C
Lets just use Pittsburgh’s (24th overall) next 5 after their top 5.
Sneed 7.0C
Johnson 7.0C
Bortuzzo 7.0C
Zabotel 7.5D
Velischek 7.0D
And #1 ranked Nashville
Budish 7.5C
Ellis 7.5D
O’Reilly 7.0C
Santorelli 7.0D
Josi 7.0D
and lastly Detroit, as they are the model of consistency…
Ferraro 7.5D
McCollum 7.5D
Mursak 7.0C
Nyquist 7.0C
Emmerton 7.0C
We do have 2 “B” players (more upside) but have 2 players with lesser current skill set (6.5) than the small sample size I provided. This doesn’t prove anything and lets not forget that John Carlson was not expected to do what he is doing either and especially so early in his career according to HF when he was drafted.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
by JSchon on Apr 21, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
And #1 ranked Nashville
Budish 7.5C
Ellis 7.5D
O’Reilly 7.0C
Santorelli 7.0D
Josi 7.0D
This is why I can’t hate David Poile.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that 7.5D Ryan Ellis? I can see the D with his size but he has so much skill I’d think he’d be higher rated.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Yeah.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Poile is a lot of things, but his top ability is to be able to find top notch defensemen is unparalleled in the NHL.
At one time he managed to have a defense with three hall of famers in their prime on the backline in DC: Langway, Stevens and Murphy. The only reason they didn’t stay was because the ownership wasn’t willing to match Stevens’ offer sheet, and the fans here decided Murphy wasn’t good enough…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
but his top ability is to be able to find top notch defensemen is unparalleled in the NHL.
It’s not that hard when you draft that position over and over and over again.
The stained horizon
Dark rein and rider
The steed. . . Ovechkin
Not fair. Weber was second round, and Suter wasn’t a lotto pick either. Blum and Ellis were both mid-round guys.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
He’s saying draft a defenseman, not what pick.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Since 2000, in 10 drafts they’ve picked a D with their first pick 5 times. Not as high as I’d have guessed.
Still, 2003 draft: 13 picks total of which 6 were defensemen. It did net them Suter, Klein and Weber, though.
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It did net them Suter, Klein and Weber, though.
Klein’s not exactly a player to boast about.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. We have seen a rise in good F prospects lately, however.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I kinda dispute your top spot in HF because a) two of your top 5 are going to be off that list when next season starts and b) you are so overwhelmingly stacked at D that not even all of them can make your team. You’re weakness at F isn’t really compensated by the strength at D (until you swap D for F… if/when that happens). But that applies to most of the top teams (I’d have LAK or STL top) to some extent as well.
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I don’t know enough about other teams’ farms to make a fair assessment, but I was pretty surprised at the top spot. Past Budish, Wilson, and Geoffrion (two AHL goals in his debut), we’re pretty slim at forward.
I’d almost consider it a detriment to Poile having that many top 4 NHL defensemen. Blum, Ellis, O-R, Laakso, Sulzer, Dietrich, Josi, are all NHL players. He better do something with them because at least half of those guys won’t sniff the Bridgestone Arena, ever; with the guys we have in front of them.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. At some point you need to develop the D and move them for help up front. At least you have plenty of chips to do that with.
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I already tried to make that happen.
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by Reckless on Apr 21, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You didn’t want a leftover D prospect, you wanted a legit minute munching NHL defenseman!
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that is a leftover for you. Those guys we are talking about are legit prospects, not leftovers. But in your organization they become leftover because of how many there are.
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Interesting. And yeah, those are just some folks’ opinions. Rec’d for the legwork, btw.
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Minor nit to pick:
We do have 2 "B" players (more upside)
The number refers to their potential, while the letter refers to how likely they are to get to that number. B is a pretty sure bet to reach close to the their numbered potential (I’ve never seen a ‘A’, which is described as a metaphysical certitude to reach their potential)
Great job pulling these down and organizing them, it’s nice and easy to digest in this format.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
And Braden Holtby is only 6.5C? I wonder – I guess we’ll find out next season whether that ranking is low or if he was simply overachieving this year.
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Considering that he’s not yet 21, I think we’ll have to wait a bit longer.
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Holtby has has a rough start to his playoffs. But (a) the Bears’ offense has been off, and (b) they are missing John Carlson on the blueline.
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Is Neuvirth in goal for them right now?
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Gee. Slow start, a change in goal, offense off. Dunno who that sounds like ….
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They played Neuvy game 2 and 3, platoon!
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They’ve been going back and forth with goalies. I think Holtby could have won his last game and they’d have gone with Neuvy anyway.
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They’ve been switching back and forth between the two…
Game 1 – Holtby (21 saves on 24 shots), 4-3 OTW for the Bears
Game 2 – Neuvirth (23 saves on 25 shots), 3-2 W for the Bears
Game 3 – Neuvirth (32 saves on 34 shots), 7-2 W for the Bears
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by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The Bears were badly outplayed in Game 1, and Matty’s last-second GTG (that sent the game into overtime) should have been disallowed.
I’ll add in one more factor – rookie head coach.
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In the next two years, I think one of Perreault or Johansson are going to play 2C for this squad, but I definitely see a paucity of wing prospects with legitimate top-6 potential.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for agreement and for the fancy-pants vocabulary.
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by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I think both Mackan and Eaken are well suited to move to the wing if they have to. MP probably could but it looks like they’re keeping him at C. Kuger is a W, Bouchard is a W. I’m not seeing the real problem on our wings, especially when you look at how many spots are spoken for on the big club.
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Kuger is a W, Bouchard is a W
I’m just not sold on either of them playing top-6 minutes in the next two years.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know a lot about the cap structure or building a system in hockey, but to be where the Caps are now at the NHL level and have an elite farm just seems like a remarkable accomplishment.
I mean, in baseball which I know better, the rules are to some extent structured to require you to cycle. And I’d think the ability to trade picks in hockey would only exacerbate, since teams trying to fill out a nhl squad aren’t forced to at least hold on to their top picks.
NHl seems to have basketball-like rules re picks and salary cap (even though unlike basketball you don’t draft guys straight to your top-level team), but a baseball-like development system.
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The thing that makes baseball totally different is the ability to sign foreign players outside of the draft. NY/Boston may always get crap draft picks, but they can just go down to the DR, throw money around like drunken sailors on shore leave, and come back with some talent. That option isn’t available in the NHL.
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And a highly ranked player can just hire Scott Boras. Small market teams will pass them over and NY/Boston will get them in the late first round.
would love to see baseball put a cap on entry level contracts. These top picks getting paid bazillions is ridiculous. I still remember Brien Taylor as the next big thing, getting signed to what at the time was huge money.
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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 21, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
But the Yankees haven’t really gotten that many good foreign players since Soriano. They barely even have a farm system, they just buy established players for the big club
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And please don’t get me wrong, I’m not being a downer here. It actually speaks more to our already loaded Caps team. The real spot I’m concerned about is at the pivot. We can always find a winger here and there to fill gaps as we develop our own. Chimera is great example. I really hope Johannson can get it done and like a lot of people who like Perrault, I think he is too small for the 2nd line and the minutes he’d have to play but I could be wrong there too.
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I’m thinking that Backstrom gets re-signed at whatever it takes, in the end, though it might be more or for less time than you or I might want. After that, we re-sign one of BMo or Belanger, but not both.
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Pretty sure I’ve seen enough of BMo to not be thrilled with the idea of bringing him back (though it would depend on the dollars, I suppose).
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Depend on the dollars and the medical reports. If he’s had a nagging injury I’d want to know that. Is it the kind that an off-season can heal or is this an “you’re old and breaking down” type of thing. He should be healed from his past rash of injuries, so either he’s basically washed up or he has something we don’t know about.
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That’s going to be a problem for the Caps. Who is next year’s second line center? I don’t really see Eric Belanger in that role (if he is retained), the Caps do not have anyone in the system ready to assume that role (Mathieu Perreault fans notwithstanding), and the free agent crop is thin (and probably not something the Caps want to do, given other signings they have to make).
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I’d guess it depends on the outcome of the playoffs, but can they get away with it the same as this year? They did pretty darn well through the season, and tried upgrading at the deadline.
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How bout making Eric Fehr a C?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d make a vote for Alex Tanguay. He’s going to be cheap after the crappy year he had, but he’s not that far removed from being a decent player. He’s younger, bigger and healthier than B-mo.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
OK. I don’t go back that far.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Came up through juniors as a C, often played C for the Avs when Forsberg was inevitably injured. Played some C with both Calgary and Montreal. Definitely a pass-first/shoot-second player.
At this point, him playing C might be a bit of a stretch since he appears to have lost a step, but he’s always been a pretty good defensive player, and I’m not sure that the C playing with Semin needs to carry the puck all that much.
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Do. Not. Want. He’s not the worst possible option but he’s not appealing to me right now. I understand he could be poised for a breakout year, but how cheap would he sign for?
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Didn’t we just try the “cheap guy who had a rough last couple years looking to rebound” thing?
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Better than the “expensive guy who had a rough last couple years looking to rebound” thing we tried the year before.
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by J.P. on Apr 21, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
speaking of Feds, anyone spot him around town yet?
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by Direction 87 on Apr 21, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. And I think it worked out ok. I’d rather not sign a guy for multiple years at a high cost, but I’m also not sure we’re ready to hand over the keys to the second line to MP or Mackan. And I know that I don’t want a full season of Flash at 2C. And I don’t see BMo coming back.
If you sign Tanguay for $1.5m (which is probably do-able, since he’s making 2.5 this year), you leave yourself with enough flexibility to go get someone else at the deadline, and you won’t feel all that bad about demoting him if MP or Mackan steps up.
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If you’re going to give that money to Tanguay, you might as well give it to Mo.
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Disagree. Mo will be 35 next year and is clearly starting to wear down. Tanguay’s only 30. Take out an injury-shortened year last year, and a couple years on terrible teams and we’re talking about a guy who was a point/game player only a few years ago.
Even during his Vancouver heyday, BMo was never a point/game player.
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And that was playing with Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund at their peaks. Before the lockout, those guys were certified monsters.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Said it once. Will say it again. Try to pry Patrik Berglund off the Blues for the 2nd line Center of the Future
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love it, but I don’t see that happening.
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Yeah why would they give him up and what/why would we pay?
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I don;t see it happening either. But it’s a pipe dream.
I would give up a package of a goaltending prospect (Neuvirth/Holtby) a 2nd or 3rd rounder and say Steckel (who I think we could replace with Gordon).
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
No chance they take that. They have a goalie prospect they like, a 2 or 3 does nothing for them, and Steckel is a spare part. It would take a first and/or a high quality prospect.
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Name a high quality prospect you would trade for him? Eakin or Mackan?
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Tomas Plekanec
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by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Too expensive, no?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Currently
Plekanec is making $2.75MM.
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Wouldn’t be shocked to see him make 4-4.5 in the open market.
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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 21, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on who walks and who signs for what, really.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but he’s going to get around 4, right?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea what he’s going to get. Coming off a 70 point season, I could see him getting more than that from a team that’s desparate for offense, or one GM getting a brain cramp and badly overpaying.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If he only gets 4, the Caps can definitely afford that.
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by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think MTL would go upwards of $5m to keep him.
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Would he take a $1m+ pay cut to play with a, you know, bigger better team (so far)?
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
If with that 80% I’m making $4 million, am on a short deal on a very good team, and can win the hardest trophy to win in team professional sports? Sign me up.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
But that $1 million difference may be over 4 or 5 years. At this point in his career, he’s going to for the best/longest contract.
Even better than.
He’s 27. With the offensive juggernaut that the Caps are he’d be likely to post his best season ever. On a short deal, I don’t see why he wouldn’t.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he could blow out his knee or have a sub-par, injury-filled season and get screwed on his next deal. These are the years he’s going to get paid — he’s taking the best deal.
Marian Hossa? 1 year, $7m with Detroit, as a recent example. He’s still in his prime.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
4.5 is about the best the Caps could probably do:
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Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / * Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($6.000m)
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Jason Chimera ($1.875m) / * Eric Fehr ($1.200m) / * Tomas Fleischmann ($1.200m)
Dave Steckel ($1.100m) / Matt Bradley ($1.000m) / * Boyd Gordon ($0.800m)
Mathieu Perreault ($0.717m)
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Mike Green ($5.250m) / Tom Poti ($3.500m)
* Jeff Schultz ($1.800m) / Karl Alzner ($1.675m)
* Milan Jurcina ($1.375m) / John Erskine ($1.250m)
John Carlson ($0.846m) / Tyler Sloan ($0.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Michal Neuvirth ($0.822m) / Simeon Varlamov ($0.822m)
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by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
No chance we get Fehr and Flash for that cheap. But there may be other ways to open up some cap space…
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Yep. Fehr and Flash are going to be closer to 2M.
Cap space, jettison Poti and Erskine.
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Obviously not but that’s different from being able to find a taker. I would have said nobody was beating down the door to get Chris Clark but someone wanted him. And that doesn’t even consider the possibility of packaging Poti with something to sweeten the pot if we really need to shed salary.
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Poti and Flash package!
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be the literal definition of Bill Simmons’ “Pu Pu Platter”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve got 2 PKers, a puck moving defenseman, a 20 goal scorer, a top 3 D, a top 6 W, a top 6 C, and a cost controlled RFA making less than a mill.
It’s a steal!
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What kind of beer you got?
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WHATS THE NAME OF SOME OF THEM OTHA BEERS?
UH….COORS….UH (milluh) MILLUH!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CBJ needs D help, no? How might Vermette look?
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Vermette is one of their untouchables. He’s good.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He still has the stink of Ottawa on him.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see a team willing to pick him up. Let’s say you give the Caps a 4th-round pick for him – you’ve got yourself a top-3 defenseman and if things don’t work out for you during the season, you can probably flip him at the deadline for a 2nd or 3rd-rounder.
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No. Just yirgacheffe.
But seriously, Poti is a serviceable top-3 veteran defenseman. He’s asked to do things for the Caps, such as occasionally play 25+ minutes, or kill penalties, that he doesn’t excel at, but he’s been quite passable 5v5.
A team like Boston, that’s hurting BAD for defensemen, who can stay healthy, would gladly give up something for Poti. And if Jordan Leopold can garner a second-round pick at the deadline, Poti can get at least that much.
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Not for what he brings, and the fact that he’s a UFA the year after makes him palatable as a possible trading chit. Grabbing him would be kinda like what Billy Beane does in Oakland, where he trades for guys in the last year of a contract, knowing full well that he’s going to trade them or let them walk and take draft picks as compensation.
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uh, you guys think about what happens when the goalies come up for their next contract?
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by ThePeerless on Apr 21, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Or John Carlson?
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Vinnie Prospal. Not the most defensibly responsible but cheap and i’ve liked him since he told Torts to shove it up his ass in the post-game interview.
Fun Fact:
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And ol’ Brash is on the hook for next year at 1.3.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He should have just given all that money to Jody Shelley for turning into the Unstoppable Force at the end of the season.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine what he would pay George Parros’ ’stache.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
But who is available and affordable?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love Lombardi if we could get him, but I’m thinking he probably wants a long-term deal that we can’t give him.
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I think he’d be an OK fit but he’s nothing special.
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I think he’s great. I’d love him on Nashville if we weren’t set at C.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a skating fetish. I still think Sean Donovan and Rico Fata were tragically misunderstood.
Still, the guy’s 28 and coming off a great season. This is his chance to cash in. I’m guessing he goes for nothing less than 3-4m over 4 years.
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Yeah, I just don’t think it should be with us. As not-sold as you are with Backstrom’s year, I’m twice as not-sold with Lombardi’s.
And you know I love skating too.
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Who’s available is meaningless until you try and get a guy, though. Someone like Booth from Florida was bandied about — send to very good prospects and John Erskine (to get rid of some salary) and you have your 2C for the next 4 years.
I’m too worried about Booth’s noggin. Two concussions like that in one year – he’s one decent head-shot away from retirement.
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And I don’t think a prospect and Erskine is going to make that deal happen. I can’t think of anyone I’d be willing to move that would bring back a Booth caliber player. We could maybe package a couple guys but that is more difficult.
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I’d rather not. Wait on the goalies until later, I think, and Alzner is probably worth keeping at least until his UFA years. Probably longer.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
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There’s been a lot of talk about the word “pivotal” around here this series. I say look for the real “pivotal” play tonight. My theory is that Game 4 is basically always the most important game in the series.
There are only two possibilities. Either one team goes into Game 4 down 3-0. In that case, the only interesting thing about the series is whether they’re going to get swept, and Game 4 is obviously the pivotal game in settling that question.
Much more often, Game 4 starts with one team down 2-1. And the difference between ending the game tied 2-2 in the series and ending it down 3-1 is the biggest swing that’s possible in any one game in the series.
The Habs can either tie the series up tonight, and make it a best-two-out-of-three, or they can end up facing three consecutive elimination games. As a Caps fan, I’ll never rule out the possibility of a team coming back from 3-1 down. But 3-1 is obviously worlds different from 2-2.
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by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Good morning. How is the air up on cloud 9 with the Preds?
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Not bad. To be totally honest, I’m not that surprised we’re ahead- its just the way we’ve gotten ahead. Rinne hasn’t had to be otherworldly as much as I thought, and we completely outclassed them last night in every facet.
Hopefully the MSM has learned their lesson, but I doubt it.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
What lesson is that? To stop predicting that 2-seeds can handle 7’s based on the 82 games that preceded their predictions?
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Nah, not that. Thats a perfectly legit prediction. I’m talking about ‘teh Preds trap; can’t score, Hawks in four’ that was rampant.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, in fairness, the Hawks were top-six in goals for and against, and the Preds weren’t in the top-13 in either and weren’t in the top-23 in either special teams category.
But I’d agree that people looked more at the 82-game body of work than how each team finished the season, which gave every indication that it would be a tough series.
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But I’d agree that people looked more at the 82-game body of work than how each team finished the season, which gave every indication that it would be a tough series.
Yeah, there was that, and the ad nauseum arguments that Antti Niemi is in Rinne’s league. I think Hawks fans were a bit deceived on that front. Anyway, we haven’t won anything yet. Have to stay realistic at this point, and realism still points to Hawks in 7.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Both Niemi and Huet are NHL-caliber goalies of not much particular distinction (thus far) being protected by an outstanding blueline and a lot of very responsible and capable forwards. Their GAA numbers and W totals per-game are very good, but that’s a function of their skaters, rather than native ability.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
…which is what I futilely tried to tell Hawks fans. I think the results speak for themselves. The difference, though, is in job description: Niemi has to ‘not lose’. Rinne has to be a god for us to win. So far, so good.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Rinne is clearly the best of that goaltending crowd. I could see Niemi getting in his class but the fact that Rinne has played with much less margin for error is a big deal in my mind.
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The Preds clog the neutral zone. That’s 100% equatable to the trap!
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To their credit, they had some reasonable people that were willing to think about it and weren’t ridiculous when I challenged them on that.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Oh, I know. It wasn’t the majority, though. Anyway.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Preds want to beat the Hawks, they want to run a trap to slow them down. The neutral zone defenese of the Preds so far has been outstanding in the series, and they’re getting the results.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, that graphic is really nasty.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
So rec’d. One of my all time favorites.
Substitute Marc Staal for the keyboard and you easily have the best Bongos cartoon animation gif.
I am in an abusive relationship. I think. I keep telling myself it will get better and just when things are seemingly better, my heart happens to get cruelly ripped out once more ... in the playoffs. I am a Caps fan. Need I say more?
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by Christoph J on Apr 21, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you lurk that thread?
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Yeah. I told you that at Bar Louie.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Must have been post-game…
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Nope, pre-game.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha. My bad. I promise I listen to everything you say and value your opinion.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Right. Take my opinions for what they are worth: about $1.95
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
So you can trade three opinions for a good beer? I want your life.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, that was OT.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw your opinion one time. . . Know what it asked me for? Tree-fitty.
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by D'ohboy on Apr 21, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is no other team, other than the Penguins, that I’d rather see get and early exit than the Blackhawks.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
For me, I’d like to see NJD early exit, but that’s entirely me.
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I’ll take Montreal.
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by J.P. on Apr 21, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Heh. I think we all would.
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That would mean we got Philly next round, correct? I’m all sorts of down with playing PHI next round instead of Pittsburgh.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Philly.
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It’s a shame that NJD can’t play PIT. Well, they could, but not the way it looks. I don’t really see them coming back from down 3-1. That would also require Boston to win, which they might.
Other than the Caps, I see them as the only team that could take the Pens out.
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It’s a shame that NJD can’t play PHI, from the looks of it.
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by J.P. on Apr 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buffalo… get Ryan Miller off the radar….
Also Phoenix, I don’t want to face Bryz…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love it too…but hell, I’d rather play Nabby or Howard in a series like that…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I am so torn about the Pens.
I desperately want them to lose every game all the time.
Then I realize that I’d also like to beat them on the way to the Cup to shut up all the anti-Caps folks out there.
Then I realize they are probably our biggest threat out there, so why would I invite such a matchup?
Darn. Brain cramp.
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Of the teams in the Eastern playoffs, the Caps went 4-0 against only one of during the regular season: Pittsburgh.
Just sayin’
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Need I remind you the regular season means Dick Jones?
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It does and it doesn’t. From the won-loss records of both teams and the head-to-head match ups, it shows the Caps are better than the Pens. The Caps didn’t do as well against Ottawa and were 2-2.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone feels the same. We want the Pens to lose early. But could there be a more glorious route to the Cup than to topple both Philly and Pittsburgh on the way?
You had me at no problem.
I think it’s always going to be this way. The Caps’ road to the Cup lies through Pennsylvania, in more ways than one. It goes through Philly, through Pittsburgh, and yes, through Hershey as well in a sense, because Hershey’s the key to it all.
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Only if it’s spelled Vengeance, but sure.
Of course, you know that means we’re likely to get Detroit in the Final.
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bring ’em on, let the Caps get some sweet sweet sweet revenge.
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11 years I’ve known the man and he’s had “1998!” to lord over me every single day. I’m relishing the prospect of watching the Caps lift that shinny silver thing above their heads while Lidstrom cries in the bowels of the Phone Booth. You know how most people say the greatest day of their life was getting married or the birth of their children? The above would be mine.
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by RedBirdie on Apr 21, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by SeattleCapsFan on Apr 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. I’ve often thought that the even-numbered games – like goals – are the big ones.
As for the odds (never tell me the odds), NHL teams that enter Game 4 on the road with a 2-1 lead and win end up winning 70% of all series (and 76% in which they have home ice). So there’s that.
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Maybe it’s too early and I’m being dense. If you’re on the road in Game 4, doesn’t that mean you have home ice for the series, and thus, you’ll be at home for Game 5?
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Yep – that should read “NHL teams that enter Game 4 on the road with a 2-1 lead and win end up winning 70% of all series (and 76% in which they have home ice).” Good catch.
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Ah ha. Got it, thanks for clarifying!
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Sorry, that’s not even right. I think it should read "NHL teams that enter Game 4 on the road with a 2-1 lead and win end up winning 70% of all series (and 76% in which they have home ice)."
I desperately need coffee.
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w/ baileys. so are you saying that we have a 76% chance of winning this series so long as we enter this game (vs. not showing up) regardless of whether we win game 4? that seems high, but i’ll take it.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 21, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to ignore the odds, because the Caps aren’t so good at them. See game sevens at home.
Just win.
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yeah, according to that whowins web site, the caps have the most losses of any nhl/nba team in round 1 serires (out of 4 round playoffs) where they have home ice. seven losses out of 10 although i dont know if that takes into consideration last years rangers series.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 21, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
A team with home ice and a 2-1 lead has a 76% chance of winning the series, yes.
Doesn’t sound high to me. Think about it – even if they lose, they’re better than 50% since they have to win 2 of 3 and have 2 of 3 at hime. If they win, 3-1 with 2-of-3 at home is a near lock.
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If they win, 3-1 with 2-of-3 at home is a near lock.
Unless you’re the Caps…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Fixed it.
If they win, 3-1 with 2-of-3 at home is a near lock.
Unless you’re theCapsCanadiens webmaster…
by b.orr4 on Apr 21, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i would have thought home ice in a best of 3 would be closer to 55-45 or 60-40, not 76-24, particularly if each team has won on the road so far (which i dont think is part of the analysis). i’m not complaining for sure, just surprised.
If they win, 3-1 with 2-of-3 at home is a near lock.
if it does get to 3-1, cant wait for all the rehashed history of caps collapsing after being up 3-1. of course, none of these guys were on the team the last time that happened which makes the statement moot, but always fun to read.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i would have thought home ice in a best of 3 would be closer to 55-45 or 60-40, not 76-24, particularly if each team has won on the road so far (which i dont think is part of the analysis).
Right – home ice in a best of 3 is one part of it, home ice with a 3-1 lead (i.e. only needing to win one of 3) is the other part.
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gotcha, combo of closer to 50/50 at 2-2 and significant advantage up 3-1…
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by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 21, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
So TSN Ranks Carlson ahead of Hedman. I agree, but if you’re Tampa Bay you’ve got to be thinking “What the hell? We tank to get Hedman and Washington still ends up with the better rookie defenseman.”
by b.orr4 on Apr 21, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Eh. Carlson’s a year older and was taken a year earlier.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Yeah. I’m not counting Hedman out. That said, Carlson could easily have been a lottery pick in any of the recent drafts, including his own.
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Hedman’s going to be good, probably very good but he was the #2 pick overall, so that’s expected. The point I was making is that Tampa had a miserable season and got Hedman as their reward. Meanwhile, the Caps were very good and drafted a kid at #27 who’s now ranked ahead of Hedman.
Yeah I understand. This kind of goes back to what I was arguing about with D’ohboy yesterday. You don’t know how the draft is going to shake out so you save picks and build through the draft as a philosophy. You don’t look and say “well if it’s not a top 5 pick we probably won’t get someone special so we can just trade them away.” Those picks are valuable and you want to take as many players in the first round as you can.
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Except it really doesn’t turn out that way when people have gone back and looked at it over the long run.
In most years (unlike, say, 2003 or 2008), there is an elite tier of players around 3-deep. These are the guys almost guaranteed to be good/great NHL players. Then there are about 7 guys who are pretty sure bets to be good NHL players. After that, it becomes much more of a crapshoot. Obviously, the odds go down as you move down the list, but outside of the top-10, it’s either exceptional scouting or a bit of luck.
This is why teams like Florida and, until this year, Edmonton were so mediocre for so long. They’d play just well enough to miss the playoffs, but not poorly enough to get one of the elite talents, so they were stuck drafting guys like Cogliano and Gagner who, while good, aren’t “franchise-saving talents.”
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Historically that’s basically right, but I think the prospect pool has been getting deeper and deeper for the past decade. That model you described is not going to hold for much longer.
And there is a lot going on in EDM and FLA besides not drafting well. Cogliano and Gagne are talented players that were rushed into the NHL way too fast. Both teams have had ownership issues. EDM has a problem attracting and keeping talent; FLA has a problem paying it.
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I think the prospect pool has been getting deeper and deeper for the past decade.
I was actually going to do a FanPost comparing demographic data to the depth of the draft. There was a dip in births from the mid 1970s through the early 80s, then you started having the “echo-boom/millennials” which represented a pretty big bump in the birth rate. My hypothesis is that this demographic bulge coincides with the huge influx of new talent – and the flipside is that the low birthrates during the dip coincided with the crap-tastic mid-to-late 90s drafts.
The only problem is that both Canada and the US fundamentally reorganized their youth hockey development programs in the late 90s/early 2000s, and that could just as likely be responsible for the shift.
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The only problem is that both Canada and the US fundamentally reorganized their youth hockey development programs in the late 90s/early 2000s, and that could just as likely be responsible for the shift.
So did Sweden. I think that’s the biggest factor. I’d love to see your numbers and it’s an intriguing point but I don’t know how you separate the impact from SWE/USA/CAN restructuring their youth hockey and control the variables.
Bottom line, there are more talented players that are more mature and better coached at 18 years old so the draft is becoming less of a gamble. I can’t wait for the day when a first round pick in the NHL is like a first round pick in the NFL.
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I was going to mention Sweden, but I couldn’t remember when they did their restructuring. I think the biggest thing has been shifting players away from constant games and toward more skill development.
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Sweden did it around the turn of the century. The definitely did more skill development and less systems play. They forced the youth leagues to trap for years and killed the joy so kids stopped playing. Then they changed the focus to skill and now you’ve seen the resurgence. Pretty remarkable and I love the indictment of the trap.
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Yeah. I wonder to what degree the resurgence there has been off-set by the complete implosion of the Czech and Slovak development programs. They used to pump out talent year after year, and now both their national teams look like “Just for Men” ads.
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Yeah they have fallen off, and Russia isn’t drafting as well. But I’m almost positive the gains made by Sweden, and especially the USA have off-set all that stuff and then some.
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Did you read about the possible “fines” that will be imposed on Swedish players if they choose to play in the America after being drafted? Something like $750k to get out of their SEL arrangements.
I heard something about that. It’s dumb and I don’t think it ends up being a major factor. These countries should realize it’s in everyone’s interest to have their best players in the NHL. I can see why they want them playing at home but it’s shortsighted and will only hurt.
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The biggest issue is that while the number of Swedish and Russian players being drafted has gone way down over the past decade, the very best are still being drafted.
I mean, in the 2004 draft I think only 8 players were Russian, but 3 were Ovechkin, Malkin, and Radulov. Ovi and Malkin are generational players and are spending 2/3 of their time in the US. That must hurt for the KHL.
Sweden has been going up.
The Russians are still being drafted but they are falling much further than normal and anyone that is marginal isn’t being drafted. But they are still creating players unlike the Czechs and Slovaks.
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Radulov’s a helluva a player. Fuck that guy.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually kind of OK with putting a price on getting out of a contract. Having a set buyout price might actually promote international movement.
750,000 strikes me as a bit high, but not terribly so. There’s no question the Caps would have paid 750,000 to get Backstrom out here. Why shouldn’t the Swedish hockey establishment profit a bit from developing players for North Americans to enjoy.
I think the pill would go down a lot easier if they called it a “buyout” instead of a fine. But that’s just words.
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by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the major junior or college teams in North America get money from the teams that draft/sign their players?
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No, but then they also aren’t professional leagues full of adult men.
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That makes the distinction I was thinking of then. The foreign leagues should not be whining about not getting money when they developed the players. Developing the players shouldn’t just get the money.
They should be approaching it as a contract issue, which I think they are. “Free agents”ish are “free agents”ish, players under contract are under contract.
The only problem I see here is a system developing where the foreign kids have no choice but to sign a pro contract to play, and then through whatever forces are there have no real say in the length of the contract. They are not exactly always in a position of bargaining power. Then you get a situation where an NHL team either has to shell out a large amount of money or wait a long time, which may hurt said prospects chance of succeeding in the north american game.
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by renstar on Apr 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is why teams like Florida and, until this year, Edmonton were so mediocre for so long. They’d play just well enough to miss the playoffs, but not poorly enough to get one of the elite talents, so they were stuck drafting guys like Cogliano and Gagner who, while good, aren’t "franchise-saving talents."
Sounds like the Caps from about 1990-2003ish
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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
But that ranking is based on long-term potential (the explanation of why Howard was ranked so low — presumably he’s closer to his top-side of performance at his position than, say, a Tyler Myers).
If you've read this far...seek help.
Both have tremendous upsides. Hedman is going to be the leader of the Bolts’ backline starting next year. He may be the 4th or 5th best defenseman in the Southeast division right now (along with Zach Bogosian, Mike Green, Jeff Schultz and Carlson)
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Can someone please tell Mike Green to SHUT UP
Re Carey Price:
“He was a confident goalie that was very relaxed and almost casual,” Green said. "He was always in the right spot. He never really made a big save, he was just always in the right spot to make the save.
“He looks a little off these days, but it is what it is.”
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Well Carey Price isn’t Ryan Miller or Marty Brodeur…but in the minors he beat the Bears almost singlehandedly in the finals in 2007…
Green should know better.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s a lot of animosity towards Price from that Calder Cup championship series. Hershey was by far the better team and Price flat out stole the series from them. I think guys like Green and Steckel and Schultz really want to beat him tonight.
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Seriously, what’s a goalie going to do about some trash talk? Take a run at somebody? Make a save he wouldn’t make? Anytime you can get a keeper thinking even a little about something other than his game, that’s a good thing. And frankly, anything Green says hasn’t already been said a thousand times worse by the Montreal press and the radio call-in shows.
Goalies are all mental. Talking smack is not wise. They won’t run you over, but they might just shut you down.
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This. Seriously.
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Reekie Really!!!
I was at that game in 1994, and it was great. Reekie scored on a point shot that eluded the Pittsburgh goaltender and the Caps led most of the game at 1-0. Then with about 30 seconds left, with the goaltender pulled, Reekie is facing from the Pens net and just lobs a backhanded clear as far as it will go…right into the empty net.
After the game, one of the reporters there asked Reekie if was aiming to score on the empty net. His reply “Yeah, I practice 180 footers all the time.”
Consdering he once went nearly 2 years without scoring a goal (but was among the Caps plus minus leaders those years) that he had two in one game (a playoff game no less) was great.
And that was the year the Caps beat the Pens… :D
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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 21, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
DC Landing Strip won me over with What we Learned. Good eyes, guys.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
We need more of that insightful commentary here. ;)
by S h a g g y on Apr 21, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. I wish I had seen those points before.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Flash’s greatest contribution to the series so far: that humorous picture J.P. posted yesterday.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Gracias. I didn’t include anything about Carlson because I don’t think we’ve seen anything we didn’t already know.
I can’t tell what’s stronger: my hate for Flash or love for Carlson.
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Probably my love of Carlson, but I’m sick of Flash. The sad part is it’s mostly BB’s fault I hate Flash, so Carlson’s love is also more deserved.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Flash could be used only as a power play specialist and I’d be perfectly happy. I like him behind the net on the man advantage, but that’s about it.
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Using him on the PP is one of the things I hate the most. I’d rather have any number of guys out there instead of Flash.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I’m ok if he’s the 2nd unit’s half-boards replacement for Semin. Otherwise. . .
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Meaning no Semin on the PP or no Semin on the Caps? I’m a little confused.
Also, it kinda depends who is on PP1.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
If the first unit is Ovie and Green on the points, and Bax, Semin and Laich up front, I’d be Ok with Flash being the guy on the second unit who replaces Semin on the shift change.
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I could live with that. It’s just :30 anyway. Then I’d have Carlson/Corvo and Knuble/Fehr.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Flash being FlashUsing him on the PPis one of the things I hate the most. I’d rather have any number of guys out there instead of Flash.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
The PP is the only place his defensive ineptitude isn’t completely exposed.
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But winning loose puck battles is one of the keys to having a good PP. Not floating around on the perimeter. We have skill. We have guys that can make you pay. Flash isn’t so talented that we can’t replace him.
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I don’t know, I’d leave Flash on the PP. Do you really want to change things when it’s clicking so well. Just look at the looks they are getting!
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. Can’t disrupt the top PP in the league. The MON series is too small a sample size to say our PP isn’t good. If you look at the sample size from our entire season you’d see we are the best and we should keep doing this. Oh… wait…
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
my issue with flash on the PP is who they need to sit for him to receive time. AO, backstrom, semin, green all musts……then give me a knuble or laich down low.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d take Fehr over Flash. I’d like to see Carlson and/or Corvo on the points more often. There are at least ten guys I want on the PP over Flash. With AO and Green usually playing all 2 minutes I don’t see how he gets on there.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Given his knack for glory, I’m surprised BB hasn’t given Carlson any PP time. He has the ability to get pucks through and he’s a great skater who ca chase down pucks and short handed chances.
by Direction 87 on Apr 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
BB doesn’t seem to be a guy that trusts rookies a lot. I’m OK with that approach, but at some point he needs to reward Carlson for how damn well he’s played.
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I can count on one hand the defensemen I would not trade straight up for either of these kids – Mike Green, Duncan Keith, Dan Boyle and Drew Doughty.
Dan Boyle? Really? I know we are biased and all, but how is Dan Boyle on that list? Weber/Suter are both above Boyle and I’m sure I could find a couple other guys. I don’t get it.
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Where’s that from?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The Dobber fantasy hockey article about Carlson.
The two kids are Carlson and Karlsson.
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It’s fantasy hockey. Boyle puts up big fantasy numbers.
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Beat me to it. As I mentioned above, neither Weber or Suter will ever put up big numbers. 6 will get you 15-20 goals, though.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Boyle sucks!
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
He also puts value in thinking Greener is gone by the time Carlson’s ELC is gone.
Okay…
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually don’t mind that. I could easily see that happening if Green can’t take the next step.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Attributing it to salary, I’d say no. 3 players can probably be kept around.
What “next step” do you write of?
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing consistently in his own end.
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Doesn’t he do that already? I mean, solid enough considering the value he brings offensively, and I feel like the only person who is consistent in his own end and great offensively at the moment is Lidstrom, maybe Doughty.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And considering the raise he’ll be looking at that’s what I want him to do. He has the skill, I want the determination to be the best.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I know its been said, but I think Mike Green needs to be in the right system for Mike Green to be Mike Green. Put Green with a Hitchcock or Lemaire coached team and what happens to him? Because of this, I think the number of teams willing to toss silly money at him when he becomes a UFA might be limited.
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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see him show some more maturity. I’d like to see him play ore consistently. I want him to be able to give his solid defensive efforts without having to sacrifice his offensive threat. Some of the “I’m in my 20s and rich!” bullshit rubs me the wrong way but I admit I have no idea what kind of work ethic he has behind the scenes. Looking like you got punched in both eyes and went to sleep at 5 AM last night every single day doesn’t make me feel great.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looking like you got punched in both eyes and went to sleep at 5 AM last night every single day doesn’t make me feel great.
This is where I am with Green. He looks like he’s got lifestyle issues. No concrete proof, but I can’t think of any other reason he’d look pale, puffy and baggy-eyed all the time.
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I suggest you ask him.
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I look that way and it’s not like I’m a party animal. Some of that shit can be genetic.
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by Direction 87 on Apr 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m more than mildly concerned that Green is, in fact, a party animal.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I think it’s kinda pointless to worry about what guys do away from the ice, since we don’t and usually won’t ever know.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
It’s not pointless to worry about and I think there are times when people do know. How they act off-ice directly relates to how they play.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
How about Bruce Boudreau? Extremely talented, not committed, out of shape, loved the lifestyle. Never reached potential. There are tons of guys like that (Dan Cleary is another). Green is talented enough to overcome some of that but he won’t be able to once his metabolism slows down. He needs to develop good training and lifestyle habits now. I’m not convinced he’s acutely aware of that.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
So would it be fair to say that as it stands Green’s window of elite-ness is smaller than say, Duncan Keith?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean? I think Green has the potential to be as good as anyone in the game, including Doughty. I’m just not sure he’ll reach it.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
That Keith will be elite for a long time, but Green won’t be as soon as he loses his speed/strength/youth advantage.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. Keith or Suter will have Lidstrom-esque (not the same, obviously, but similar paths) careers, but it seemed like you were saying Green would tail off quicker:
Green is talented enough to overcome some of that but he won’t be able to once his metabolism slows down
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Without commitment and work ethic. If he has it, awesome. If not, he will tail off faster than those guys. It takes a ridiculous commitment to staying in shape once you hit your late 20s, even for an NHL player. He’s got the smooth skating stride so he could do it. Now he just has to actually do it.
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See? This I agree with.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh really? That’s all I had to do? I’ve finally demonstrated an ability to be level-headed and rationale amidst my sarcastic sniping? Weird. Glad I finally found the equilibrium that satisfies you.
Seriously. If you can just spot when I’m joking you’ll be much less offended.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Seriously?
93% of communication is non-verbal.
In a text-based medium, you lose that.
Could I have taken the comment as a joke? Sure, I could have, but what about someone new on here who doesn’t know you as the snarkmeister we all know you as?
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You aren’t new here and you’re the one getting upset. If someone is new and they don’t like it, they can call me out on it. It’s happened before and no doubt will again. I’m more concerned about the people that are established regulars that I talk hockey with on a daily basis. I understand that some tone and jokes will be lost on newcomers; it’s part of the learning curve. I’m willing to take that risk for the sake of my comedy. But you’re not new so it’s moot.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The thing that really scares me is that he’s already lost a step (and a half) since his first couple seasons. He used to be the fastest guy on the ice fairly consistently, and he’s not even close anymore.
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Is it that, or is he simply not skating as quickly, (not unable to do so)?
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He used to be the fastest guy on the ice fairly consistently, and he’s not even close anymore.
That’s only because we picked up Chimera.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
that can be said for anyone that gets by on their natural abilities. at some point they have to get it together between the ears. intelligence and wisdom are the key to long successful careers, not strength and dexterity (and i guess constitution).
(no one cares about charisma..)
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I agree. It’s not just a knock on Green. I’m just saying that I’m more concerned with Green.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
If a player doesn’t have the tools Green does, there’s more onus on staying in shape and competing and working hard outside of the games to compete better. I worry Green may realize this a little late.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Precisely. Getting by on being more talented can be a curse as much as a blessing.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Because it only lasts so long.
The two best players in the NHL — Ovechkin and Crosby — both work very, very hard. They are passionate. They rarely take shifts off.
A lack of drive can crush talent (see Daigle, Alexandre).
Or Kovalev. I totally agree. There are players in the league that on skill alone can compete with AO or Crosby, but I don’t see anyone else that brings it as hard as they do as consistently as they do. That’s why they are in their own class IMO.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Yeah, I don’t see Green in that boat though. He seems pretty driven. I just think he needs to grow up a little, but we’ve gotta remember that the kid is only 24.
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I do think he’s driven, I’m just not sure he’s put it all together mentally. Wanting to be awesome isn’t enough.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I do think he’s driven, I’m just not sure he’s put it all together mentally.
if there was anyone ont eh Caps who could probably benefit from a good sports shrink, it’s Green.
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I think he just needs to get married.
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well, I know a lot of women who would be happy to volunteer….
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As I recall from his book, part of Bruce’s coaching motivation/mantra is for a player to make the most out of their talent and youth, to not waste their early years by partying hard and by relying only on talent to get by on ice. Seems to me that Bruce would know if one of his players, particularly one he knows as well as Green, was coasting and not giving his full effort.
I’m thinking that Green’s non-dominant playoff efforts thus far are perhaps more mental, in that he’s trying to be more “balanced” in his overall game, thereby leading him to think too much when on the ice.
by capsyoungguns on Apr 21, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He did say that a light went off in his head after the Olympics, and he’s trying to play a more complete game as a result. Overthinking may well be a part of the issue… that and/or nerves. Yes, he’s been in multiple playoff games before, but that doesn’t mean he can’t still be nervous, does it?
24-year-old males are prone, occasionally, to bravado, which tends to bring out the chirping from time to time, even when it isn’t entirely appropriate. And Green is not the only Cap guilty of chirping at others during this playoff run.
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What? He said in an interview he’s on a strict diet and deals with the nutritionist all the time this year.
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Ok, that’s a huge step up from gaining 30 pounds mid-season but forgive me if I’m not convinced. And I’m at least equally concerned with his alcohol consumption as I am with his nutrition.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Do we have any evidence that he drinks a lot other than he has eye bags?
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None that is valid in this forum.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I have seen him and Backstrom binge drink while guest bartending before, so there is one piece of first-hand evidence. That doesn’t prove a trend though.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Apr 21, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Green may be one of those athletes who is just not clutch, makes poor decisions when the pressure is on, and generally underachieves in a playoff environment, but remains a regular season stat animal. I think he has plenty of company in this group from other teams.
by Direction 87 on Apr 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he has plenty of company in this group from other teams.
dude save the redskins talk for OTOT.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And how would you know if a Redskin was a playoff choker?
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mcnabb. response to both of you guys. if you’d like to debate mcnabb as a choke artist, i’m willing in OTOT.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Green, CAPS PP Quarterback, meet Donavan McNabb. Please take this time to discuss why you both cant seem to get it done in the playoffs.
by Direction 87 on Apr 21, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a little too early to put that label on Green. He was a stud against Philly, then looked injured last year. So far, he’s been mediocre this year. Give him time.
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I love mike Green and will give him time but I think im concerned because the weaknesses in his game become more apparent in the playoffs and his strengths seem to fall away.
Lets hope he really starts turning it around tonight.
by Direction 87 on Apr 21, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not willing to throw that on him yet. I was hoping he’d disprove it this playoffs. He was great for HER and against PHI so it’s not like he hasn’t come up big in big situations.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
He was good against Philly, but expectations for him have skyrocketed since then and, for whatever reason, he’s not getting it done, and looks like a completely different player than regular season.
by Direction 87 on Apr 21, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing to base this on but experience, he could have bad allergies (cue the Poti jokes now). While bags and circles can be signs of too much partying, they also are hallmarks of seasonal allergies. My middle son looks like that a lot, especially in the spring, but all year something bothers him. I also think Green appears genetically predisposed to dark circles. Could be a combo, though.
Yeah. I’ve thought the same thing.
At the same time, there have definitely been whispers that he enjoys the nightlife a little too much.
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And there are whispers that Crosby is gay. Do we listen to them? Just as credible in my opinion (not very, just so we’re clear).
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personally, I think Crosby is asexual.
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by RedBirdie on Apr 21, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats good news. Also, rec’d.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Asexual?
Crosby is Earl Douglas?
It's all happening
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hushed, furtive whispers in the bushes outside a highway rest stop on I-79?
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by D'ohboy on Apr 21, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just taking a pee.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I actually think it would be awesome if Crosby were gay, and I mean that in a totally un-snarky way. It would totally revolutionize people’s perceptions.
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Yeah it would. He’d get ripped on from the overly-macho segment but everyone who is tired of that could say “yeah he is, and so fucking what?” I just don’t think we are anywhere close to the day when a high profile athlete comes out.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
If Sid was to come out he could just invite the world to have a cup of STFU and also to eat a fucking porcupine.
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by EmilyB on Apr 21, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If Crosby ever actually used the words “Eat a fucking porcupine” my respect for him would instantly skyrocket
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by RedBirdie on Apr 21, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree D’ohboy
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was waiting for the “no proof” card to come out, which almost always is accompanied by the “awww, he just has chipmunk cheeks” card and/or the “I look like that and I’m in GREAT shape” card.
Just compare his face to the guys on the ice around him. Green looks like shit a lot of the time. What other reason can you come up with for that?
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He and Semin get targeted for abuse more than anyone on the team. But because of Green’s position, he just has to stand up and take it a fair amount of the time.
Oh, and he plays 30 minutes a game. Stuff takes its toll.
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by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s been hinted that Green has a history of disordered eating. That can not only do screwy things with one’s body and metabolism, it also tends to be a vicious cycle that can very quickly spiral out of control. Add in a metabolism that is no longer allowing you to eat 3-4,000 calories a day and it can be a recipe for disaster.
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He’s never been the same since the senior girls were mean to him.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s not exactly fair. Half the people I know who had eating disorders were wrestlers who had to drop a ton of weight right before their matches. Good habits can prevent having to do that, yes, but try telling that to a high school kid whose parents feed him a steady diet of hamburgers.
"Ovechkin, what is good in life?"
"To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their captain."
Totally. A. Joke.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
And it was understood as such. But jokes about eating disorders hit a nerve with me, as they can be unintentionally harmful.
Though, I admit, I can sometimes get a little preachy. Sorry if I come off that way. I’m trying to take a pretty measured and non-holier-than-thou tone.
"Ovechkin, what is good in life?"
"To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their captain."
No it’s cool. We have lots of sarcasm and ribald humor. At some point nerves will be hit. Not trying to offend you or anyone, just amusing myself.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
lol.
but Green does that the personality for it. As airheaded as he comes off sometimes (most of the time….), he’s a perfectionist, he’s eager to please, and he all too frequently defines himself from the feedback he gets from others. All traits consistent with people who demonstrate eating issues.
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yesterday one of the hockey pundits (can’t remember which one) said green needed to stop trying to change his game to please everyone. He tried to appease Team Canada (fail), then tried to appease the Norris voters (we’ll see). Now he’s stuck taking slapshots from the blue line that are getting nowhere near the net.
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Eliot said it in the 30 thoughts I believe. To a large degree I agree with him. You do have to play your game. I just wish Green could show that same defensive awareness without having to go too far to the extreme.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
exactly, he’s ALWAYS trying to please someone. Except unlike 99.9% of us, he’s trying to please international media and hockey “expert” contingents, in addition to his coaches/parents/teammates. It doesn’t matter who you are, if you’re trying to please the world, you’re never going to be good enough, someone is always going to be saying something negative.
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The only person he needs to be pleasing is Bruce. He’s being paid by the Caps, and he needs to be helping them win. If he tried to change anything for Team Canada, it had better have been with Bruce in agreement. Otherwise, someone needs to sit him down and explain the fact of life to him.
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by gfcaps fan on Apr 21, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody expects you to be in the same kind of shape as a professional athlete. If Mike Green has the same look as you, it’s a problem.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some people just have fat faces and dark eyes. It happens.
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reminds me of the family guy clip where they cut to “2 people who always look tired, starring Susan Sarandon and Vince Vaughn”
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Apr 21, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as we’re psychoanalyzing Green, one more factor is that in juniors he was the only good player on a historically bad team. His only real championship/playoff experience is with Hershey and then what we’ve seen. He may be pressing more because he has less postseason experience than others. It may be a steeper curve for him.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve stood up for Green’s post-season play all along. I’m not holding 3 games against him. He has time to turn it around.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Green was great in the Caps Flyers series as well. At least from what I recall
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by Sombrero Guy on Apr 21, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s my main point in the arsenal. PHI outright said the guy they had to worry most about shutting down was Green.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
When I talk to other goalies about Marty, they tell me they would see him make the save in an extremely close, pressurized, intense situation and marvel at how he’s able to do it. He’ll do it just going down on one knee. For those other goalies, that’s a moment where they’d drop and just block all the area. But Marty is able to retain his focus, wait for the moment of release and then use his reflexes to react where everyone else has committed to blocking a certain area.
And that’s why he isn’t nearly as good anymore. You can’t be 37 years old and rely on your reflexes like you were a kid. IT was amazing that he was so great playing that way. But those days are gone.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Is anyone else's allergies kicking them hard today?
My throat’s really sore, probably allergy-related, and I feel like crud on a stick. I will be most put out if this isn’t allergies… :-/
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn. Told you my allergies were kicking me hard.
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by IRockTheRed on Apr 21, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
how had i never thought to refer to fehr as F-16? that’s awesome.
F-16: versatile; maneuverable dogfighter; workhorse bomber; looks best painted red white and blue.
F-14: out-dated; looks fancy with those moving wings, but in reality a slow and stubborn aircraft worthy of only the imperial iranian air force; boasts famous co-stars (tom cruise, alex semin, etc.).
cluster, d’ohboy, fat_daddyo, etc., feel free to correct me.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
I don’t know shit about planes but I’ll feel free to cor-rec you.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Same here, but I like the post.
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They’re really different aircraft altogether. One’s a ground-based single-engined fighter, the other is a carrier-based interceptor.
Personally, I’ve always loved the 14 for its range (the F/A-18 doesn’t have nearly enough), and its ability to carry ordnance.
If this JSF buy gets any more expensive, we may see the USAF buying updated versions of the 16 though. :)
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I’d say that the JSF is one of the biggest clusterfucks in the history of military acquisitions, but the fact that it isn’t is even sadder
Aim for the head baby Jesus
F/A-18 — kind of a tweener. Not the best at anything, but pretty solid all-around. Very fast and maneuverable (there’s a reason the Blue Angels fly them). Quietly effective overall.
Yup, sounds like Belanger to me.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line, everything other than F-15A/C/Es are jacks-of-all-trades-masters-of-none. You want a superior air-to-air bird, call in a C model. You want bombs on target on time, call in a Strike Eagle.
Of course, I may be a bit biased.
If you want to do it without getting blown to smithereens by a SAM, you call on a F-22 or a B-2.
But yeah, if you’re beating up on goat-herds, by all means use legacy aircraft. :)
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Sadly, neither Knuble nor Pothier really fits with the Raptor or the Spirit.
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Knuble: UH-1D
Not fast, not young, nothin’ to see. But the closer to the crud you’re going to fly, the gladder you are to have it. (And the D-model, like Knuble, was first to really pull its weight in that role).
Hey let's go, today is going to be our night
Su-27: Good plane that was quickly superseded by newer variants
ALZNER!
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Paper Airplane:
Can get on fire easily but also non durable, doesn’t do well in corners and is not a good long-term investment.
FLASH!
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well done.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That can't be well-rounded paper,
so it must be rec’tangular. and maybe crumpled down the middle.
Hey let's go, today is going to be our night
The SA-3s and Rolands that had my name on them didn’t scare me.
And we’re talking fighters only. Don’t bring bomber weenies into this conversation. I acknowledge the awesomeness of the F-22, but let’s see it build a body of work over the next three decades before annointing it as anything else.
Don’t be knocking the F-14. My granddad helped build a bunch of ’em.
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Also, the F-14 is no longer on active service.
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it is in iran, though. ship F-14 overseas!
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
F-4 Phantom. Outdated design that is completely lacking in any built-in weaponry (it doesn’t even have a gun).
Yup, sounds Erskine to me.
(this is fun)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re the Washington Capitals.
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
By having offensive personnel mostly suited to an attacking, puck pressure and possession style of play, and three of your starting D-men that are bad at preventing shots at ES. In other words, an unbalanced roster that is compounded by having a system at odds with the top-end personnel.
That’s my take on it, anyway.
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Apologies if this was discussed before, but anyone listen to the PPP podcast, then talking about the Caps potentially firing Boudreau? Around the 10-20 min mark of the most recent episode.
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Did not listen. Why do they think that?
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They think the caps need someone who will ‘kick their asses’ I believe.
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I’m not entirely sure they are wrong but I don’t know how you can tell from outside.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I wonder. I think there’s more asskicking in BB than we get to see.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Except when it comes to actually taking ice time away from people.
Players eventually tune out a yeller. They can’t tune him out if they’re stapled to the bench, though.
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121 regular season points wasn’t good enough?
I think it’s a testament to how good a coach Boudreau is that people constantly think his teams can/should do better even as they’re doing extremely well by all objective measures. You think these games win themselves?
The guy coaches a high risk style. In my opinion, most folks in the NHL are too risk-averse, and Boudreau is just taking the advantages he finds available to him. It makes for a team that’s easy to criticize the whole time it’s kicking people’s asses.
Here’s one example: Ovechkin on point generates a lot more PP goals than SH goals against. Last time I checked, what really matters is outscoring the other team. Or would you rather the Caps played “RJ Umberger Hockey?”
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by Gould Old Days on Apr 21, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
perspective! Thanks. And you’re right. 121 freaking points and I still hear, “They should have won more games!” 121 freaking points! They’re, what, 7th or 8th team in history to get at least 120? The only non-Original Six to do so. Bruce can coach however the hell he wants, as far as I’m concerned, as long as the Caps keep making the playoffs. There’s good, there’s great, and then there’s “Did I really just witness this past season?!” (in a good way, because I think we’ve all been there in a bad way)
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as long as the Caps keep making the playoffs.
Not. Good. Enough. Not anymore.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this year, and probably next yeah, yeah, I’ll be disappointed if they’re not sporting some bling come June. But the playoffs are a weird creature and total EC domination for the next 10 years, while fun to watch, probably isn’t entirely realistic.
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No, domination is not realistic. But with this talent we should be an EC contender/favorite every year for a decade. Given that, just making the playoffs isn’t good enough.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
If we are ever in a situation in the next 7 years where we are not a top 3 seed in the East. I’d be disappointed.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
With the state of the other SE division teams, I would be too.
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ok, so yeah, the Caps should win the SE for the foreseeable future.
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Of course I wouldn’t. You know that. It’s not that 121 regular season points isn’t good enough. You can definitely look at it that way and be satisfied. For me, I ask whether the team could be better? And specifically whether the deficiencies could be solved by coaching. I think we can be better. And years of being a Caps fan in the playoffs have made me feel that we need to be better. If there is a weakness on the Caps, the playoffs exploit it. It’s infallible.
I hope BB can continue to improve the team and address some of the problems. I think he’s definitely earned the chance. Until we win a Cup I won’t be satisfied with a team that even looks beatable.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I think one problem is that the high risk style BB brings to the table means that when a team has an off night, they REALLY have an off night. So losses seem worse than they really are.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Apr 21, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
like ron wilson? please.
wonder how they know how much ass BB kicks or doesnt kick?
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say it’s less that and more speculating on how much longer the players buy what he’s selling. If it doesn’t happen in the next year or two, the odds are long that it will.
They're coming.
by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Caps don’t win it all this year and we struggle out of the gate next year, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go.
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agreed. I just can’t imagine, under any circumstances, the BB gets fired after this season. NONE. McPhee absolutely loves the guy, and when GMGM starts displaying emotions, you know it’s for real. The players are all loyal to the point where I wonder if they’ll all drink kool-aid at center ice if that’s what Bruce asked them to do.
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Hypothetical:
We flame out in the 2nd round. BB is out-coached by the opposition. We start out next season playing like crap and some of the younger players (Alzner, Carlson, Green, Varly) start to regress.
Would you be surprised if he weren’t gone by New Years?
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Not really. Players like BB, unlike Penguins and Therrien.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What if GMGM thinks that the players’ cozy relationship with BB is part of the problem?
I’m not saying it’s going to happen, I’m just saying that I can imagine the hypothetical pretty easily.
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I could imagine it too, but I wouldn’t exactly be surprised either way. Some GMs like to stick with the coaches for a long time, some a bit longer when things get rough, some pull the trigger right away.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? I heard the opposite.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Apr 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Flyers are a team full of insomniacs, I am sure his steady monotone and cardboard personality worked wonders.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be, NHL coaches don’t last forever. That said, BB has earned the right to stick around as much as anyone. If he can’t get the Caps over the hump after this year, then I think he’ll be in “warm seat” mode, but it would take a serious dropoff next season or another early playoff exit to get the axe.
It’s worth a listen by the way.
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I wish they’d put Russ Thaler back on WPL. While Ivan Carter is likeable and has a certain camera prescence, I don’t think he’s very good. And while he’s from Minnesota, he just doesn’t seem to know enough about hockey. Maybe it’s just because he spent his Post career covering basketball.
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I was telling my girlfriend the other day that I don’t mind Ivan Carter. He doesn’t seem to know much about hockey, but he also doesn’t claim or pretend to. He seems to me to be very willing to learn and be exposed to the sport, and that’s fine.
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Carter is probably a very nice guy and he does try to give hockey its due. The point is that Thaler knows far more about hockey, gave it more exposure on WPL and is a true professional broadcaster. He never should have lost his job to Carter.
Is this another instance of us not knowing what goes on behind the scenes?
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Sure, and at the risk of taking this too much OT, at the time, they treated it like Thaler was getting a promotion. He’s probably involved in a lot of stuff we don’t see, as it was supposed to include website product. Maybe’s he’s the one responsible for Corey having a contract there at the moment.
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he is a very nice dude. Literally ran into him at Poste after a game, and not only was he extremely gracious about it, he invited several of us to join him for drinks, and just shot the breeze about the Caps for an hour or so.
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Fehr
He’s not going anywhere. His play since the trade deadline has solidified his value and surely answered the question “Flash or Fehr”, at least for myself, and I imagine the Caps. (I hope Boudreau has nothing to do with this decision)
He reminds me of a younger Johan Franzen, in play, size, and clutch ability. I can see him being our “Mule” in the upcoming years.
If you want to survive out here, you've got to know where your towel is.
I don’t think he skates as well as the Mule or is as versatile but I’d love to be proven wrong.
If BB has enough input to make GMGM sign Flash and let Fehr leave then we need a complete overhaul.
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Fehr has so much more potential then Flash does and i really thing Flash has hit his peak.
by CAPFan4Life on Apr 21, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think of him as a better-skating Andrew Brunette..
"Ovechkin, what is good in life?"
"To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their captain."
Hands and hockey sense are probably not as good as Brunette, but he has a better shot, better skating and a better frame, which makes him a better forechecker.
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What you see with Flash now is what he’s going to be for the rest of his career give or take a few goals. That’s not bad, it’s just not great. Fehr has shown continued improvement from his second to third year at every level he’s played. He’s a big body with a sniper’s shot and could easily develop into a 30-35 goal scorer based on past history.
The role he is expected to play though, is invaluable.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is invaluable?
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Fehr, for size, forechecking ability (at least, what is expected), nice shot, and going to the front of the net. He and Laich (but moreso Laich, I think).
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha. I’m not sure Fehr is invaluable per se, but I agree you need those tough grinder type guys that will score dirty goals. It’s nice that Fehr has a sweet set of hands while he does it. The more time he spends around Knuble, the better.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
He definitely shouldn’t be invaluable, but one needs to have a Fehr to balance with a Flash.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Luongo being the captain helping or hurting the Canucks?
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Well, he doesn’t seem to be leading by example, if that’s what you mean…
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know how anyone can know whether or not it matters if they aren’t in that room. Having your goalie pulled, especially if it’s a guy like Luongo, always sucks. I don’t know whether the C makes that any worse or not. Does anyone really think Luongo got the C without the support of the team? You can’t rely on the “players used to vote” card because you don’t know if they did or didn’t. I think a lot of teams still have the player vote so it’s not all meaningless.
The bigger problem is that Luongo isn’t playing well and their PK is terrible. The C issue is a red herring.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I agree with you, and to clarify, I wasn’t espousing my opinion on the subject. I do think having a more consistent player who doesn’t risk getting benched would be nice.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
D'oh/F&B
2010 2C UF/RFAs: (using ‘2C’ rather loosely)
Cullen, Matt
Jokinen, Olli
Plekanec, Tomas
Marleau, Patrick
Lombardi, Matthew
Pavelski, Joe
Hanzal, Martin
Koivu, Saku
Beyond that…not much.
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Marleau will be too expensive. Jokinen could be good — put him in a situation where he doesn’t have to be the star, and he could shine. Lombardi… meh. Koivu’s too old, Pavelski’s a nice player, if a bit undersized.
Nolli Goalinen.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Jokinen is poison. No thanks.
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C’mon. That’s a little harsh.
If he is signed in DC, he will not be looked to a) carry a team (like he did in Florida) nor b) be a savior (like he was when traded to Calgary). He’ll just be a 2nd-line center that will get some PP minutes and hopefully net 20-25 goals.
Where hasn’t Jokinen underachieved? He got the benefit of the doubt in FLA because they weren’t any good, and maybe PHX, but he was a disappointment in CGY and NYR.
I’m not in any of these locker rooms so I don’t know for sure, but when so many rumors all surround the same guy about his ability to mesh with a locker room it’s a least a red flag. No need for us to spend so much money on a guy with red flags and zero demonstrated ability to help us get over the hump we need to clear.
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His best seasons in Florida were 91, 89, 71, and 65 points — that’s not underachieving. That’s playing really well for a shitty team. He scored 50 points this year between Calgary and New York, two teams whose offenses sucked.
I’m not saying he should get $3M for 4 years, but he is a definite improvement over Belanger/Morrison/Perrault.
My own eyes would protest if Skeletor were playing for the Caps.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Then convince your team to sign him. Do. Not. Want.
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He gets outclassed by Marcel Goc and Jerred Smithson in head to head matchups on a regular basis. You don’t need that.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t touch Jokinen with a ten foot pole.
What I wouldn’t give for Pavelski, though…
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
If he were moving I’d be in on that in a second.
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Obviously but who doesn’t that apply to? For anything reasonable I’d love Pavelski. He’d be a great compliment for us.
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5 years, 4 mil too much?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say so, since we’re going to have to pay some young goalies inside those 4 years.
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It’s probably a fair deal but I don’t know that we can even afford that. We’d need to open some space. It might be doable but it means Semin is gone and we are going to have to rely on some cheap talent.
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Call me crazy, but were I Washington Pavelski is more valuable than Semin.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s crazy but Pavelski isn’t a slam dunk either.
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No, but he’s proven to be a guy who can stick in the 2C position on an elite team. Not often you run across someone with exceptional hands, great faceoff skills, and good defense. Washington doesn’t have one of those guys outside of Backstrom.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
And he’s American, which is nice.
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Obviously.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re almost fucked worse than Chicago. Setoguchi, Marleau, Nabokov, Pavelski all up (maybe more).
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Jokinen can’t play if he’s not the go-to guy, apparently. No.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And I’m not sure we can really afford any of the guys I’d even want. I guess Koivu is the most likely because he might take a short term deal but he’s not the greatest choice. Marleau would be awesome but will be expensive. Pavelski is going nowhere. Plekanec can eat a dick. Etc.
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So basically its a crapshoot as far as the Caps are concerned?
The RFA kills your chances on Pavelski, but I’d pay him a shitload were I a GM. Which is why I’m not a GM, among other things.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we need another veteran 2/3C like BMo and let Mackan and MP fight out a spot. We’re deep enough that we can survive until the trade deadline and then take stock of what our weaknesses are. I wouldn’t hire a bunch of vets and place our kids out of the lineup immediately to start the season. It’s time to see what these kids can do. Of course, that approach is easier to stomach if we win a Cup this year and don’t have crushing pressure next season.
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I’d almost dump Morrison and sign Hanzal on the cheap for a year or two. I’m guessing the Coyotes are going to value Wolski and Lombardi over him.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Hanzal is an RFA. They won’t let him go. He won’t be that expensive and he has plenty of upside. It’s not realistic.
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Probably. He just seems the most palatable on that list, to me.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Of those, I think Cullen is the only one I could see coming here. Jokinen sucks too much for how much $$$ he’ll want. Plekanec is looking to cash in. Marleau is a #1C on most teams and will be paid like one. Lombardi will probably be looking for too many years/too much money. Pavelski isn’t leaving SJS (if they’re smart). Hanzal might interest me. Koivu looks like a #3C at this point in his career – not an upgrade over say, Belanger.
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Matt Cullen’s going to be 34 in November. If you don’t have to get a long-term deal, he might be good, but you have to worry about his age.
Definitely. He’s Bmo 2.0. All things being equal, I’d rather take a flyer that Tanguay can play C.
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He wouldn’t add more value that what we already have in Flash and he’s going downhill.
If you want to survive out here, you've got to know where your towel is.
I’d take him over Flash in a second. If only it were possible.
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Seconded. I’d also take Cullen over Flash in a hot…flash.
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you take Sloan over Flash? Even if Sloan has to play center? I want to gauge the exact vitriol over Flash.
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50% of the hate for Flash is the obvious favoritism that BB offers to him at the expense of better and more responsible players.
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Yeah, definitely. I’m just wondering what happens when worlds collide vis-a-vis Sloan and Flash.
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Even Flash’s biggest detractors wouldn’t say that Sloan is better than Flash, although he probably floats less.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Apr 21, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That, and Matt Cullen’s production is maybe 10 points more than Eric Belanger, but for some reason he makes about $1M more. I’d rather resign Belanger for about what he’s currently making, thank you very much.
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Yeah. I wouldn’t mind seeing Belanger stick around, but I think it’s pretty clear by now that he’s not a #2C.
Does anyone think that if the 2nd line continues to struggle, the team might consider calling up MP?
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Re. the 2nd Line, it’s hard to produce much when your personnel package includes one enigma, one guy playing a notch above his abilities and the Incredible Disappearing Czech…
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Would love to see MP get a shot at 2C if it means Flash takes a seat, even at the expense of Stecks moving back into the lineup at 4C and Gordo to 4L…
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From what I’ve seen, Hanzal is a really solid two way guy. He’s only 23 and is 6’5. 33 point year, I’d guess you could get him for 2.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Would love to see Pavelski in a Caps uniform… he might be had for a decent number if the Caps go deep in the playoffs…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Pavelski would solve the 2C problem plus in an emergency he could overachieve up on the first. He’s cheap, too. San Jose sounds like they need Poti and Flash. They’re proven playoff capable players, just what that team needs.
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I almost responded to this until I saw the playoff-capable players thing. Then my Snark-o-Meter™ went off.
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It’s food for thought though — the Caps need a player like Pavelski who is responsible but with an offensive upside. Plus iirc he’s top 10 or better in faceoffs. If the Caps could somehow get him, though. He’s an RFA and definitely looking for a raise since he’s $3 something now.
Given Nabokov being shakey, maybe a goalie trade could be done. I’m not sure what else San Jose needs other than not having Thornton.
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The problem is that if SJS trades us Pavelski, they’ve just filled our #2C hole while creating one for themselves. Why would they do that? (Unless they plan on re-signing Marleau instead, which they don’t.)
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On a trading note…Jeff Carter?
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Too much $$, Flyers not trading.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what…Sutter said about Phaneuf? I remember something we’d thought of, along the lines of Neuvirth + a 1st/2nd for Carter. If it’s between Semin and Carter, I think you go with Carter.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s C vs W, and I think Carter commands a bit less and is less maddeningly inconsistent. Semin brings the higher upside, no question, but Carter is no slouch. I guess it’s close, but C takes priority over W.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I’d rather have MP and Mackan (and Eakin) fight it out for 2C than bring in Carter.
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
realistically, are any of those three going to be battling as a 2C in the next year? I don’t see them (except MP..maybe) for 2 years, maybe even 3
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Thats assuming they think Neuvy is that good. Yes, Carter > Semin; which is why I don’t think they trade him for a risk like Neuvirth.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. It’s just impossible for it to happen as far as I can figure without it being an RFA deal and there’s no way Pavelski is worth the 2 or 3 picks or whatever it works out to be. Sucks, I really thought he was one of the better forwards during the Olympics.
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Just curious, JP, if you don’t mind me asking, what is the traffic like these days compared to the regular season?
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I think there was something on this on April 1 Clips. In fact, March 1 too, I think.
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Spacek out, O’Byrne in per Vogs.
Interesting.
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by Steck It Out on Apr 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wow. Spacek must be injured, since he’s been one of their best D-men all series.
I’m kind of shocked they haven’t benched Bergeron yet.
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They need to score. Especially on the PP. Bergeron can’t sit.
Spacek has been overrated all series. I’m not shocked at all.
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Speaking of generally overrated guys, thoughts on Hamrlik this series?
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by Bald Pollack on Apr 21, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s not overrated, he’s just old.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s been alright but they can’t rely too heavily on him. He doesn’t move like he used to and I don’t think he can skate 25 minutes every night anymore.
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No Spacek, who was solid in Game 1 and O’Byrne is error-prone. I am predicting a big game for OV
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Nicky’s gonna make OV look real good tonight.
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We need more bromantic moments!
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The only reason O’Byrne is in over Spacek, is because Spacek is hurt bad…. O’Byrne is a big step down…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
And Spacek hasn’t done squat since her seminal performance in “Carrie”.
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My brother who is a big Habs fan shows the same vitriol towards O’Byrne that Scotty Hockey and some members of the Rink have towards Poti
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, O’Byrne and Bergeron both in the lineup…which means that either Gill or one of those guys is taking second pair minutes, and the bottom pair is one of O’Byrne/Bergeron, Gill/Bergeron or Gill/O’Byrne.
I guess they pair Hamrlik with Markov and ride them 32 minutes ATOI?
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The goal breakdowns over on EOTP are excellent. Definitely helps an idiot like me who never played hockey understand the game a little better.
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
Ah, the pitfalls of losing to Nashville.
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Wysh summed it up well, though. This result isn’t THAT surprising:
A lot of this criticism is hyperbolic, based on the preconception that the Blackhawks were a predestined Western Conference finalist and that the Predators were a pushover outside of Rinne.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
So many complaints Canada side about crease crashing. My opinion: If you want our players to stop tackling your goaltender tell your defense to stop pushing us into him.
There’s pretty much no other reason a player will ever end up literally on top of the goalie or plowing into him unless there are outside forces on him. Goalie interference is generally called when you drive into him on a breakaway or rush and had the opportunity to veer away, aka unsafe play, or your push him as a shot comes. Neither of which have really been happening in this series.
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When shove comes to push
I posted that animated gif in a thread on another forum (non-hockey forum but has a thread about the playoffs). Canadiens fan chimed in with:
What you see here is Gill starting his motion to shove Knubble out of the way not actually pushing him.
I couldn’t come up with a good response, so I just posted an avatar of Kool-Aid Man.
I believe in JC.
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I think tonight is the night for the PP to comeback and go at least .500. The boys needed a game 3 to remind themselves how good they can be. Varlamov in net has to give them a certain amount of confidence that Theo just can’t or couldn’t make happen. They can play a little looser tonight and hold onto those sticks just a bit softer.
I’m calling 2 for 3 on the PP.
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Hahhahahhahahahahahaha……….
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Hahhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhaaaaa
I could not think of a stupider, more ridiculous thing to spend NINE MONTHS on.
You’ve never met my brothers.
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by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well they had to do something after the first one was so disappointing.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ooooh
I am in an abusive relationship. I think. I keep telling myself it will get better and just when things are seemingly better, my heart happens to get cruelly ripped out once more ... in the playoffs. I am a Caps fan. Need I say more?
Win one. Do it fourteen times.
by Christoph J on Apr 21, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah. They had the first and was like “this is my new favorite. I want more.” And then the next three were skunked so they gave up.
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Just like with goals and games, the even children are the most important.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? 7 is an even number. I guess you need advanced statistical analysis to come to that conclusion. I’m a mere lawyer, I cant be expected to comprehend such complex mathematical equations.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
Hey, I don’t make the rules, it comes from the man on top. A real lawyer.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure he’s a real lawyer? Or is he a J.D. that managed to escape being a lawyer?
(That actually hurts my argument because you’re even smarter if you can get out.)
First goal of the game is the most important. 7th game is the most important. And as Locker always says, a two goal lead is the worst lead in hockey.
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I think we can both agree that the last brother was the one that convinced them that getting any more good children was a futile effort.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally.
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Wow that’s just not even fair. Jerks.Well after I had gone to sleep.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Apr 21, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like my parents
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by ThePeerless on Apr 21, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So it looks like at least Corvo is good to go tonight, if not ShaMo. At least Erskine doesn’t get in the game. At least I’d assume Sloan is in first.
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You know what they say about assume.
I really don’t know who is first. Do we have any prior similar situations?
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Know the flaws of both guys,. do you really want the one who’s slow as molasses out there? I’m yelling “faster, faster” at Erskine in a game where he plays well.
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Against MON I want Sloan.
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Lady Bing finalists
Datsyuk
B. Richards
St. Louis
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Marty’s my choice here. He gives great effort every night for a not-so-good team and does it clean.
I think Datsyuk wins it though…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Apr 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I will admit when I saw the list of last names-only, my first thought was “How the fuck did Mike Richards get nominated for the gentlemanly play award?!?!?!”
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I think it’s because he texted Booth “hope you’re OK. Keep your head up.” Very gentelmanly thing of him to do.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
by Rob Parker on Apr 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From PD: “Somehow, a bunch of Flyers media thought that Mike Richards was nominated for the Lady Byng. Which, if true, probably would have been the catalyst for David Booth to fly to Vegas, buy a ticket and smash the trophy into several dozen pieces.”
now, THAT would convince me to fly to vegas for the awards show.
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Honestly, who gives a flying f about the lady bing? (no slight to you redbirdie). I don’t give a damn about gentlemanly hockey awards. Richards (the Philly version) crushed Booth with a cheap blow, and there was no punishment, etc, and they want to give an award to someone else for being nice and avoiding as much physical contact as possible? Don’t penalize the brutality, give awards to passivity, it doesn’t add up. Its just another jackass award to hand out at the awards ceremony. The NHL is a lesson in schizophrenia.
by The Jade Donkey on Apr 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i’d love a player that could put in quality minutes, put up quality stats, and finish the season with hardly any PIMs.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Japers has discussed the Bada Byng trophy, for low-PIM bashers, in the past. I’ll take Clutterbuck.
Hey let's go, today is going to be our night
in a heartbeat. Beats watching Steckel pass up on hits in the post season.
by The Jade Donkey on Apr 21, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Since you mentioned it
Brooks and Brads bring teh funny
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
nice…thanks!
I will now proceed to hunt the internet for the video of this, as surely there is more to that interview
I've often thought of becoming a golf club
Fabulous! The Caps comedic duo. Loved too the way Brooksie had to get a little serious and explain the joke, but Brads remained true to his dry wit. The listener either gets it or doesn’t. Brads has already moved on to his next quip.
by capsyoungguns on Apr 21, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And since the thread also needs more #brrokslaichisstillpracticing, this:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/4/21/1434195/laich-a-native-of-tiny-wawota-sask
Back off, PPP.
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he’s ours!!!!!!!!!! The Rabbits are not very much inclined to share Brooksie.
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I was wracking my brain trying to think of a player that Mike Green would be like if he doesn’t “get his act together”.
A little bit of a slow start to his career, but he quickly became one of the best offensive defensemen in the league. He won the Norris in ’81 as a 24-year-old, but as he got older, slower, chubbier (and balder), he became a nice player but never one who could dominate like he did early on.
Green has to be less Carlyle and more Leetch.
I never saw Carlyle play so I can’t really comment as far as their styles but the parallel seems accurate. You know you’ll get no argument from me on the Leetch front.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
By the time I was a hockey fan in the late 80s, Carlyle had become a power-play specialist in Winnipeg, a nice player who would have his Norris trophy brought up every game by the announcers. “Well, Randy won the Norris…” and I’d scream at the TV “IN 1981!!!”
Oddly, the TV did not answer back.
Must be those old TV sets you have.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
They then transitioned into having Phillip Francis Housley for 3 years in that role
/shudders
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
God in the mid 80s, the Sabres had two of my least favourite NHL players in Housley and Tom Barasso
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Foligno could be annoying too, if only for his odd helmet that DGB described as something he “made out of an old salad bowl”.
They did employ the Immortal Darcy Wakaluk though, so I’ll give them credit for that
It's all happening
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And that annoying jump from Foligno. Ugh.
In the 90s, the Sabres had Darren Puppa, which is a pretty great name.
Not as good as early 90s Leafs goalie Peter Ing, which of course led to plenty of puns in the local media.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Took this off Montreal's Website
“With 23 of 35 points in the series coming off the sticks of the likes of third and fourth liners, the Habs will have to pay closer attention to players not named Ovechkin, Semin and Backstrom heading into Game 4.”
That would be a huge mistake…I mean, if you want us to score 6 goals a game go ahead, be my guest.
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Apr 21, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
and there is the “problem” with the Caps. If you spend all your time focusing on the Alexes and Nicky and Grandpa, then Matt Bradley and Eric Fehr and the rest are more than happy to score lots of goals.
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God I love this team.
Every time the Swedish Swashbuckler scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Apr 21, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stop Talking Please!
This is the 3rd year that Caps players have said things to the press to feed the other team. Isn’t there a team wide mandate to shut the fuck up and not talk about the other team, not give them any locker room material, because there should be. Why do these guys talk to the media so much? We don’t need information, we need results. Thats all I want. Don’t say “Price hasn’t looked too good,” or anything of the sort. Just shut up, get ready for the game, and stop talking. If a reporter says “are you ok to play tonight?” say “go talk to the coach. I just work here.” Don’t send contrary messages, don’t spill who might be in or out, get on the same page. Why is this so hard? There in the same room, the same hotel, same plane, so keep the same message. I really hate that. Its not misinformation, its transparent. If Morrisson says he’s game time and the coach says he’s fine, does it make a difference? i don’t know. I don’t want to know. Just hush.
I hate the media. I really really do.
by The Jade Donkey on Apr 21, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you think ours is bad you should check out montreal’s. They’re telling the Canadiens to lose game 4 because we have a history of blowing 3-1 leads.
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Apr 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I read that too. That’s why I never pursued work in the media industry, besides periodicals. The day to day media sources are constantly looking for something to write (i thought it was interesting that Steinberg mentioned it in his bog post) and that’s why there is so much crap out there; people just doing their jobs, when their jobs happen to be completely useless.
Imagine if all the effort spent on writing useless stories was focused into, say, finding missing children. Never gonna happen. That’s why I’m praying for an asteroid or truly amazing seismic event.
by The Jade Donkey on Apr 21, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I’m praying for an asteroid or truly amazing seismic event tie-breaking Boyd Gordon playoff shortie on the road.
Hey let's go, today is going to be our night
I think the asteroid odds are higher…
by The Jade Donkey on Apr 21, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be nice, but then again scoring a PP goal would be pretty nice as well, someone enlighten us with the last time we scored one please>>>
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Apr 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Too awesome
(s/t to Kukla and WaPo’s Marc Fisher for pointing me that way)
John Carlson - Glory follows him.
by boutros23 on Apr 21, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
Interesting! I wasn’t sure if it was William Faulkner in question or someone else (present day), then I hit the link and found an article from 1955.
Then the individual players would emerge. They would not emerge like the sweating barehanded behemoths from the troglodyte mass of football, but instead as fluid and fast and effortless as rapier thrusts or lightning—Richard with something of the passionate glittering fatal alien quality of snakes, Geoffrion like an agile ruthless precocious boy who maybe couldn’t do anything else but then he didn’t need to; and others—the veteran Laprade, still with the know-how and the grace.
I love that comment about Richard! (In 1955, it could have been either one, since Henri also joined the Canadiens that season, but it’s going to be about Maurice.) I’d love to see what words Faulkner would use to describe Ovechkin, Crosby, Backstrom… today.
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awesome! like the rapier. who says the South can’t appreciate hockey.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This playoff bracket is woefully wrong, right? We’d get the next lowest seed in the next round, right? Not Pitt, automatically?
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Yes
the teams are reseeded. I guess they used an NBA or NCAA template and will switch it around in due time.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I thought, but I wanted to make sure…
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re nearing 1,000 comments on this thread. Has that happened in a Caps Clips before?
You had me at no problem.
no worries, i think it was closer to 10 pm when we hit 1,000 yesterday
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These threads get bogged down and laggy any time the near or break 1,000 comments.
Pictures or not, SBN needs to remedy this if they are going to continue to grow.
We had to have what, 4 different threads just to handle game 3?
As the Rink, and SBN grows I think they need to streamline this, and find away to keep things quick and responsive.
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Agreed. Once I see a thread with 1000+ comments, I don’t even attempt to open it. That seems to be the magic number, and it doesn’t matter what computer I’m on. Weird.
yea, and I am not on a netbook, or mobile or anything.
SBN just gets bogged down, its odd.
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well no in the individual threads, but once i tried to access multiple open threads at once, it sometimes freezes up all together
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To echo Jordan, Adblock and Flashblock are your friends.
It's all happening
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Apr 21, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure if you’ve tried chrome…i rarely have any problems no matter the comment count, and i’m on one of the slowest internet connections in the free world.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I use Chrome and I’m fine even though my laptop is on it’s last legs.
I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care.
I use Chrome on a, comparatively, badass desktop, and I have SBN trouble all the time.
by DrinkingPartner on Apr 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I use SATELLITE internet which is between dial up and modernity, and I have no issues at all.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I use SATELLITE internet which is between dial up andmodernityeternity.
The stained horizon
Dark rein and rider
The steed. . . Ovechkin
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
via Puck Padre, Ovie attempts to buy tickets from a scalper.
I’m not able to listen to the video because I’m a work, and I’m not particularly confident in my spoke French these days, so I’m not sure if I could provided a better translation. anyone up for giving it a shot?
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Thats…funny.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanna know which Captain is making some poor rookie go scalping for tickets.
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Its the curse of being a rookie. That said, I can see Arnott making Wilson do it.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 21, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible that’s Varly in the grey next to Ovechkin, or am I seeing things?
Haha, Alex Semin, completely incognito in his no. 28 ski cap. He wears that thing everywhere, doesn’t he?
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Apr 21, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, just watched the video (sans sound) and it’s clearly “Washing Russians go scalping for tickets” day! I can’t imagine the hilarity than ensues when those three guys go tromping through Montreal; wonder if they know any French?
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Would be just like Semin to be at least conversational in it and never tell anyone.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Apr 21, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, absolutely would not surprise me at all.
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“He can speak French-in Russian.”
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We only work here.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
haha believe me I wish I could check the page all day
by Davethecapsfan on Apr 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you. I am always sneaking on here during the 9:00-5:30 shift and hope the boss doesn’t need me and the phone calls are to a minimum. Trade deadline day is the worst in that regard.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to take off for deadline day so bad. Instead I had my brother and friend texting me every update, rumor, and actual trade. My boss gave me the same look Nabakov gave Boyle at the end of Game 3 with the noise my phone was making all day. Didn’t care.
by Davethecapsfan on Apr 21, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
trade deadline and day one of free agency might as well be complete lost causes when it comes to working. I just sit here all day, click refresh on TSN like a maniac, and check every hockey-related twitter feed I can find.
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We have a damn good blog....
I now follow the Habs for playoff purposes and realize we are one impressive group of people… almost 1000 posts for this thread alone…. the Habs blog only has 38 posts for their main thread that was started at 7 am…. you should check out the break down of each goal…. it’s impressive work..
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Apr 21, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
No wonder NHL players want to get out of the Montreal spotlight
The media is outrageous. Puck Daddy posted a “story” by one of the French stations showing Alex and Alex talking to a scalper, now Team990 (Montreal’s sports radio station) just spent 20 minutes re-hashing the Steriod story, including quotes that Ovi, BB, and Matt Bradley made over a month ago.
Puck drop can’t come soon enough.
"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
The post that The Jade Donkey made somewhere above I thought was perfect.
Shut the fuck up, let BB do the talking, nothing from Ovechkin “Halak is nervous”, nothing from Green “They have nothing”, nothing from Theo “Jagr”, nothing from anyone. I personally loved the Russian lockdown at the Olympics.
Keep it inside the locker room, make your postgame comments, tell everyone “it was a team effort” even though Backstrom scored 3 goal.
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The only time I will care if Halak’s hand is shaking on the ice is after the game Friday night at the Verizon Center.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Scott Burnside I think wrote today that it in a way is nice to see Ovechkin be himself again, signaling a return to normalcy in his game. I couldn’t care less what they do, as long as they don’t incur suspension and have results on the ice.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Linky McLink?
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Can’t find that, but I did find a couple of quote-worthy Tweets from Burnside:
# Don’t know if Semyon Varlamov likes a martini but guessing he likes his shaken not stirred.
3:33 PM Apr 19th via web
# At least if Alexander Ovechkin is making them for him.
3:33 PM Apr 19th via web
and
# Love Mike Knuble but he’s still got a bit of Flyer in him, no?
6:29 PM Apr 19th via web
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I really have no idea, besides that I read it today. I’ll keep looking.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
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by red army line on Apr 21, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
merci!
You’d think it was a novel idea or something…
by The Jade Donkey on Apr 21, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Injuries - listed on TSN
Corvo 2010-04-21 probable for Wednesday’s game against Montreal – undisclosed
Morrisonn 2010-04-21 probable for Wednesday’s game against Montreal – undisclosed
Sloan 2010-04-21 questionable for Wednesday’s game against Montreal – upper body
Spacek 2010-04-21 probable for Wednesday’s game against Washington – undisclosed
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Thanks. I think Sloan should be changed to “never in a million years”.
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I knew someone was gonna say something smart about Sloan….. :-p
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Only if they exceed capacity for the building, but I don’t think they do. They’re up behind the last row in the section they’re in, and don’t block an exit, AFAIK.
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Tonight's Zebra Corps...
Referees
Dan O’Rourke (9)
Tim Peel (20)
Linesmen
Steve Miller (89)
Mark Shewchyk (92)
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Here’s hoping #89 isn’t The Joker tonight.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
No. He’s just there to take the money and run.
Donaghy’ed
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the pompatus of love?
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the info. Can you provide us with the number of missed tripping calls?
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This Would Seem to Make Flyers More Attractive Opponents in Round Two
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PHTonNBC New PHT – Simon Gagne, Jeff Carter both to have surgeries
Story here.
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sucks for them. Broken feet are never fun, but to need surgery? sucktacular.
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They are still good enough to win one more game vs the Devils?
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
If Boucher can hold them to one goal again, my guess is that Richards, Giroux, Carcillo and Pronger can get two. Perhaps Hartnell will even show up.
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I agree. Philly has enough to get it done. I’d love to take on Philly sans Carter and Gagne.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
When you have Snidely Whiplash scoring OT winners for you, I suppose anything is possible.
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by Rather Bengt on Apr 21, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
TEB has a Q&A with Irbe up, to help pass the next couple of hours. Goalie coach on Varlamov: ‘The sky is the limit’
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Morrison and Corvo ain't playing tonite
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and sure enough your uncorroborated bullshit ended up being uncorroborated bullshit. good thing you used the bold subject line so we’d all take note that kevinE is full of crap.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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