Armstrong Suspended Two Games
"NHL suspends Thrashers' Colby Armstrong for two games for hit on Capitals' Mathieu Perreault."
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by jordanDC on Apr 2, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pleasantly surprised!
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wait, Wheel O’ Justice landed on a semi-reasonable answer?!
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Good deal. If Ray Ferarro (sp?) had blistered him on the air, he’d have gotten 3, but 2 is good enough.
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Perfectly reasonable
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In terms of making Armstrong answer the bell the way Matt Greene made Tanner Glass pay after his hit last night on Jeff Halpern.
So since the league determined (rightfully) that what Armstrong did deserved a suspension, what should happen to the two refs who somehow didn’t even think the hit deserved at least a roughing call? How can the NHL stop those kind of head shots if there’s no immediate damage to the offending team during the game? The NFL will immediately suspend refs if they make a blatant mistake, why can’t the NHL do the same?
That’s what competently managed leagues do…which leaves the NHL out, yeah?
The state of NHL officiating is a disgrace. But even MLB managed to get their umpires in line a teensy bit, so there is hope.
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How do you know whether these refs have or have not been disciplined? I thinkevery ref is graded after each game and I’m sure one ir both of these guys will get a bad mark for that. But it’s not like the NFL would yank the ref off the field immediately after such an incident. And they would not get suspended for that but it would mean that perhaps they don’t get a playoff assignment.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re right. I have no idea if they’ve been disciplined, though I have to assume that since there aren’t a lot of NHL refs, if one or two of them disappeared for a week somebody would notice. The point is the issue of transparency. When an NFL ref messes up, the league publicly comes out and tells the world that a mistake was made and that said ref will be punished by sitting out a game. For me at least, that generates a belief that the league recognizes the error and is trying to correct it. The NHL never does anything like that so you get the impression they don’t think their refs are making mistakes eve when it’s obvious to everyone that they are.
I don’t recall NFL refs being called out like that but I do agree that they are more transparant than the NHL. For me, so long as it’s clear that these guys get reviewed after each game I don’t need guys to be called out. So long as playoff assignments are handed out based upon performance unlike MLB where it’s a “your turn” playoff assigment process.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 2, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In the NFL, at least the refs apologize.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3594778
You had me at no problem.
I’m not sure if its a new-ish agreement with the Officials’ Association, or just a new policy by the NHL, but in the past, NHL officials have been fined for certain screw-ups on the rink. The fines weren’t cheap either, usually $1,000+, and the refs don’t get paid like the players, a senior referee who gets a bunch of playoff work, might make $250k a year, a rookie linesman makes less than $75k.
Of course, I discussed over here what I suspect contributed to the missed call on the ice. I think most people overlook the fact that the on ice officials get one look at the play, at real speed, that may or may not be obstructed by the presence of any of 12 huge dudes wearing a ton of padding.
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I agree completely with your assesment from your fanpost. I remember watching that wondering how on earth the refs missed this one, and then watching the replay, it became clear that it was one of those freak things that 18,000 plus people saw and yet the two guys that matter just happened to be directly in front o,f and directly behind, the contact between the two guys, in such a way that each of their bodies completely blocked the punch/elbow. It was just pure (bad) luck.
More surprising is that the league actually popped him on this one. That’s 1 for the league’s side of the ledger. (making the current total 27,394 to 11… NOT in their favor)
like you I tend to give any ref a break (and try to keep my own grousing in beer league games to a minimum) except for when they are being lazy. (which happens to be the scourge of beer league officiating — that and the lazy even-up call. But hey, it’s not like they’re getting paid to be out there, they’re doing it out of… What’s that? They are getting paid? Lazy bastards!)
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by Chris meet Alex on Apr 2, 2010 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good thing the Thrashers aren’t in the middle of a desperate run to get to the playo…oh, right.
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I would have rather of had a power play. Yeah he probably deserves to sit but I’m more upset at the refs and even the other Cap players who didn’t feel the need to make him pay right then and there. Cap fans should be happy about this why?
“Paying right then and there” is overrated and poor sportsmanship…perhaps one of the reasons that hockey is relegated to the D list when it comes to sports in the US. I agree that an extended power play should have been the result, but at least this is an indication that the NHL is doing more than just taking crap seriously now. An actual predictable pattern is emerging in terms of justice and when some team inevitably tries to pull this crap on us later, we’ll know what to expect. Soon this behavior will be rare because justice will be swift and predictable.
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I disagree. Poor sportsmanship is not standing up for a teammate who was put in harms way. Was it poor sportsmanship when Knuble took Craig Adams to task for boarding Ovechkin? If I recall there was no penalty on the play or later suspension yet we had to kill off an instigator penalty. I guess we can look at this as an indicator but I’m not holding my breath. Maybe I’m just biased because I root for a team that leads the league in game misconduct penalties but I fail to see much consistency in how these things are measured.
There’s other ways of standing up for your team mate than with a closed fist. Not once have they even checked to see if their team mate was ok, they just fly in and start punching. I’d also consider that being a good team mate rather than a good sportsman. I consider sportsmanship to be more of the players holding themselves with a high code of conduct where they intend to follow the rules and are out to play a game rather than injure someone. Where injuring another player is not a strategy and you still give that same respect to your most hated foe because it’s all about competition, not boxing on skates. Nothing frustrates me more than when I hear people talking about hockey like it’s just a fight on ice kind of like how people watch nascar for the car wrecks. When hockey gets rid of fighting it might start to claw it’s way out of the WWE level entertainment tiers.
Name one other team sport where throwing down in the flow of action is a good thing. Even in the most violent sports (excepting hockey) hitting someone with a closed fist is grounds for expulsion and probable suspension.
Anyway, taking this judgment along with other recent suspensions I’d say that everytime we’ve thought there should be one, one’s been laid down. if this continues through next year I’d say we have some consistency. The on-ice officiating will continue to be a problem as long as there are only two refs, the game is as fast as it is and there is no sort of video replay.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
Consistent inconsistency. Perreault wasn’t injured, yet here we have a suspension.
You had me at no problem.
If we’re assuming the suspension is determined by the result, Armstrong is damn lucky Perreault saw him coming (not to mention how lucky Matty P is). If he got two for being stupid, he’d be out until some time next year if there’d been an injury on that move.
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by bigeugene on Apr 2, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There wasn’t an injury on Green’s hit, yet he got three games. Of course, he plays for…. No, I’m not going to say it.
Are you saying you’d have been ok if C. Campbell had announced this afternoon that there would be no suspension because Perreault played the rest of the game? No thank you!
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by SeattleCapsFan on Apr 2, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
They made the right call on this for a change. I’m glad that they took some action against an intentional elbow that didn’t result in an injury. Maybe they’re ready to grow up and get serious about head shots…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Apr 2, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe there is consistency. This could be a subsection buried in Campbell’s Wheel-of-Justice code.
“All effort will be made to make sure that the player is eligible to play in the next game between the two teams, so that extra publicity will be generated for the match-up.”
Washington-Atlanta on April 9 is a potential VERSUS game, too, per Puck Daddy. hmmmmmm.
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Echoing the sentiment of the crowd. I am mildly surprised and delighted that the NHL handed down a fair and just punishment for intent to injure… aka being a tool.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Apr 2, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
Actually, I don’t think he should be suspended. As angry as I was last night, that was as much because Colby Armstrong is a consistently dirty player and the refs missing the call as anything else.
The lack of consistency in these disciplinary hearings really bothers me. They’ve handed down decisions on results of plays, decisions on intent, and no-decisions on plays that really should have had supplementary discipline attached to them (Cooke springs instantly to mind).
What I saw was an nasty play, where he really reached out to connect with his arm, he basically skated at Perreault and used the momentum to punch him in the face when Matty tried to duck out of the way. What I didn’t see was a premeditated attempt to injure. I actually believe it when Armstrong says he made a stupid play and just tried to get a piece of Matty when he went by, because Matty is a shifty little guy and made him miss. I think he had Perreault all lined up, then all of the sudden, he didn’t have him all lined up and he panicked.
On the other hand, they’re judging based on the act, instead of the results. The judging by results infuriated me in the Oveckin/Campbell incident, so I guess I can be thankful for that. I just don’t think the act warranted the suspension and I dearly wish they’d apply their rulings with some kind of consistency.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 2, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
remember they put through the new head shot rules and, in my opinion, Armstrong clearly led with his elbow to MP’s head. I don’t think Cambell had any choice but to suspend Armstrong.
I completely agree that the decision making has been maddening when it comes to discipline and I can only hope that we start seeing things judge on the actual act and not the result.
The new headshot rule doesn’t apply here, it’s only for blindside hits. There’s no explicit proscription on head-on hits that result in headshots.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 2, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
…which, imo, is inherently part of the problem with this ‘new’ rule. Headshots, from the front, back, side, flank, whatever, need to be banned. Period. The other part of the problem is, of course, Colin Campbell. And a toothless PA.
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There is and has been a rule against elbowing, which should have been applied in this instance. Particularly with the renewed emphasis on head shots.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Apr 2, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They put in a new rule for blindside hits because they wanted to crack down on head shots and there was no rule against blindside hits to the head with a shoulder. There is a rule, however, against throwing your elbow or arms at a guy’s head during a hit. So while the new headshot rule doesn’t apply, I think this ruling does fall under the broader umbrella of cracking down on headshots.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 4, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re talking about cracking down on headshots and they’ve legislated in a blind-side ban, but I have yet to see anything about other forms of headshot. What Armstrong did was elbowing, so if they’re going to start suspending blatant elbows consistently, then awesome. But I have yet to see anything like consistency on that front.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 4, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he should be suspended. . . I actually believe it when Armstrong says he made a stupid play and just tried to get a piece of Matty when he went by, because Matty is a shifty little guy and made him miss. I think he had Perreault all lined up, then all of the sudden, he didn’t have him all lined up and he panicked.
I agree with everything here except the first part. Armstrong definitely had him lined up, and MP’s shiftiness definitely made him miss and he panicked. That’s still no excuse to reach out and clock a guy in the head with your fist/elbow. Not under any circumstances. The fact that MP didn’t get injured is one part luck and one part his ability to get the hell out of the way.
Armstrong deserves what he got. I’d have preferred 3 games to match what Green got for what I thought was a less-blatant elbow, but at least the NHL didn’t totally screw the pooch.
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I can see where you’re coming from vis-a-vis Green, but I don’t think he should have been suspended for that one, either.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 4, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he had Perreault all lined up, then all of the sudden, he didn’t have him all lined up and he panicked.
Not sure I get where that still isn’t suspendable.
Assuming Armstrong didn’t intend to hit MP in the head (which I don’t buy anyway…he did), why is intent the deciding factor? If you don’t mean to high-stick someone, but do, it’s 2 min. If you unintentionally spear someone, you still get a major. If you “panic” and swing your fist and elbow at a guy’s head, you’re still responsible for your actions, even if the result wasn’t something you intended.
In our newly charged atmosphere regarding headshots—even thought the new rule doesn’t apply—this is a suspendable offense.
If you high-stick someone intentionally and that’s clear, you can bet on getting suspended. The suspension process is, for the most part, totally subjective and even the mandatory suspensions get tossed out come playoff time (See Malkin’s automatic instigator suspension being rescinded against the Wings).
You’re still responsible for your actions, but the supplementary discipline is going to be different based on intent. Usually. If Colin Campbell woke up on the left side of the bed.
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by Knee high to a duck on Apr 4, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a dirty hit but the guy had no prior history. 2 games seems like the right call to me (finally). Glad MP didn’t get hurt – if he had been we’d be out for blood right now.
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In addition to the injury that your offense created, it appears the league factors in your post-game quote regarding the incident. The more boneheaded the comment, the longer the suspension. Pretty sure “up in his kitchen” was responsible for 1 additional game.
by Whiskey_Robber on Apr 2, 2010 7:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m rather surprised and quite happy with this news.
Make no mistake I wasn’t “outraged” by the hit, I thought it was purely accidental contact to MP’s head that Armstrong was going for an open ice hit and was aiming high and did not mean for the outcome, but it was a headshot nonetheless. I hope this possibly means an ushering of more stern and consistent reviews from the NHL about any kind of headshot.
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