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John Carlson: The Case for Keeping Him in DC for Good

Given John Carlson’s lack of experience, the way the Capitals have handled other prospects with kid gloves and the risk of burning a season of cost-controlled salary, the common logic has been that Carlson’s 2009-2010 stay with the big club would be brief. But it’s starting to look like Carlson is up here for more than just the standard cup of coffee.

Following Thursday’s win over the Lightning, Carlson had started each of the last three games in favor of Tyler Sloan and/or John Erskine. Why? Because he’s been awesome, at least if you believe the Behind the Net statistics.

Take a gander at the rankings among Caps defensemen:

+/- On/60

1) John Carlson – 3.25

2) Jeff Schultz – 2.64

3) Mike Green – 2.17

 

GAON/60

1) John Carlson – 1.39

2) Jeff Schultz – 1.72

3) John Erskine – 1.76

 

GFON/60

1) Mike Green – 4.81

2) John Carlson – 4.64

3) Jeff Schultz – 4.36

 

Corsi Rating

1) John Carlson – 2.25

2) Jeff Schultz – 1.60

3) Mike Green – 1.16

 

The numbers suggest that Carlson deserves a shot at keeping his starting job. If he’s already head and shoulders above the other third-pairing options and continues to perform at this level, he can help the team win NOW.

Some argue that if the Caps are going to go with one of the youngsters on D, it should be Karl Alzner, who is more seasoned and has already forfeited a cost-controlled year. The problem is, Alzner is dead last in every one of the above statistics among Caps D except for GFON/60, where he is ahead of only Joe Corvo (who hasn’t been playing with a historically-great offense all season).

Is it really that out of the realm of possibility that Carlson is ready now? He has dominated every single level he’s played including the AHL. Also, while most rookie D struggle at first, there are exceptions to every rule. Just look at Tyler Myers in Buffalo.

The Capitals clearly have their sights set on the Stanley Cup this year. They forfeited draft picks and a prospect to go for it now. Giving up a cost-controlled season of Carlson would be another small sacrifice to make for the chance to improve the team this year.

Keep the kid up. He has at least earned the right to compete for a starting job in the playoffs.

 

Poll
What do you think? Keep Carlson up and let him compete for a spot or stash him in Hershey and save an RFA year?
Yes, keep him in DC.
159 votes
No, save the cost-controlled year and send him back to Hershey.
55 votes

214 votes | Poll has closed

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first off: excellent effort. the stats are definitely eye openers. maybe add a poll to this one?

to me, no statistical advantage would be enough to lose a year of john carlson’s restricted free agency. bring him up for the playoffs and give him a chance then, if he’s indeed a clear improvement over shaMo/juice/erskine. but just “for a chance to improve the team this year,” i don’t think the benefits match the cost. going for the cup this year and building intelligently for the future shouldn’t be mutually exclusive.

by Natty Bumppo on Mar 5, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the feedback, poll has been added.

I see your point, and there is certainly a valid case for bringing him up for just the playoffs. Two things though.

I don’t think this would be a “lost” year either way. There are still 18 regular season games left which, let’s face it, don’t mean much in the standings. It’s the perfect chance to let him develop at the NHL level.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops, second thing: throwing him into the heat of the playoffs might turn out to be a disaster. I’d prefer getting him more acclamated to the NHL before doing that.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

me too. i think if he goes back to hershey, he’s destined either to stay there or sit in the press box when he comes back. if we hadn’t just picked up corvo and juice, i think i’d be more open to the idea.

by Natty Bumppo on Mar 5, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My first thought was that during the 9 games he’s played this season he had a favorable schedule, which would skew his numbers. For those 9 games we only had 5 wins, and outscored the opponents 34-25, which is slightly under our pace for the whole year.

There is definitely a huge sample size issue, but he definitely didn’t get the cupcake matchups.

by psuscott1 on Mar 5, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed. The opponents he’s faced:

Bottom Feeders: Toronto (twice)
Not-so-good: St. Louis
Playoff Contenders: Montreal, Philly, Tampa Bay
Good Teams: Buffalo, Ottawa
Cup Contenders: Pittsburg

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 6, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I love him getting the experience, but I’m just not sure its worth giving away an FA year. If he was bringing outstanding defensive presence maybe, as that is the one area this team is really lacking.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on Mar 5, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

It’s a really tough call. Keep in mind that I’m also the guy who’s always in favor of making a big splash at every trading deadline. Our farm system would be barren if I ran a team (though we’d have a banner or two hanging from the rafters!).

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a fan of doing a cost/benefit analysis before making any move. To me the costs outweigh the benefits of keeping him up.

You progressively build teams for years. You fill holes here and there through FA signing and at the deadline. I’d rather others make “splashes” while my team wins Cups. Leave the “splashes” to guys at Redskins Park.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on Mar 6, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey guys, im new here but have always been a big fan of the site.
I like Carlson and I would be against keeping him up if he wasn’t playing but I think Bruce and the management are going to give him the opportunity be a regular on that 3rd d-line pairing. Bruce has already said he will be in there for the Rangers game.
If you are saying that Carlson needs more seasoning and should help the Bears in the playoffs there is truth to that and Carlson is not close to a finished product at all, but as those numbers show above and from what I have seen of him, he is head and shoulders above our other options. I would like to see him and juice paired in the playoffs. Just from watching him the last two games you see a few mistakes here and there but a nice, tape-to-tape first pass. SOrry for the long post. GO CAPS

by Jj10 on Mar 5, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome! You should probably think about getting an avatar before Bald Pollack gets here.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

BP is never going to let anyone live it down, after all the top grossing movie this year was named “Avatar”.

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 6, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

All in, baby. Keep Carlson up.

by cuqui on Mar 5, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

I’m a bit torn on the matter, but my gut tells me he should be in DC for the rest of the season, for a few reasons.

1) The kid can play. He’s talented to the point where he deserves to play in the NHL, and he looks better every game. If a young player with his skill set was on the trading block on Wednesday, we (and many other teams) would have tried to get him, and we would have been willing to pay some serious coin for him.

2) If we’re going to have him on the roster for playoffs, I’d rather he have 25 games under his belt than 9. That would give BB time to feel out which defensive pairings work best, and let JC get comfortable with his defensive partner. I’d rather get the kinks and NHL jitters worked out in a meaningless (to us anyway) April 9th game against Atlanta, then in the first round of the playoffs, potentially against the same team. While we have a great program in Hershey, nothing prepares you better for playing in the NHL like playing in the NHL.

3) He looks way better in red than maroon. Though he’d look even better in a non-retarded number (maybe next year).

Yes, we’d lose a year of RFA, but maybe we establish some goodwill by giving him his shot. I also think that’s a small price for building the core of our team in a year where we’re hoping to be more than a contender.

I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.

by iwearstripes on Mar 5, 2010 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

that’s 2 minutes on iwearstripes for violating the standing japers’ rink R-word rule.

by Natty Bumppo on Mar 5, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

His avatar is calling the penalty as we speak!

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 6, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I just want them to give him a legitimate number so I can buy a jersey.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

What’s wrong with 74? It is the year the Caps were founded, and Goat wears it with pride. :)

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 6, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I LOVE 74. I think it would be awesome if that ended up being his permanent number. I just get the feeling that it won’t be.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 6, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo to keeping him up. Yay if I’m proven wrong.

"First Lady, I'm sorry I pimp slapped you into that china cabinet."

by Bald Pollack on Mar 5, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

exactly the same thought I had. Each year going forward is going to be that much more difficult, save it while you’ve got it and add some extra seasoning it won’t hurt him in his development to finish out the season in Hershey and aid them in another run.

I work with 7 penguins fans and this is really getting old....

by kurlNdrag on Mar 5, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

These stats he has right now are good but are very limited sample size.

He looks absolutely brilliant at times except in his own end. He makes a few real bone headed plays each game that aren’t even due to time or space issues.
If those go away in the next few weeks then super.

I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life.

by zephyr on Mar 5, 2010 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

I think at some point we gotta learn if he’s going to sink or swim. I don’t think we’ll ruin him or the team by giving him a chance now. It makes sense, if he plays well now and for the rest of the season he could be helpful in the playoffs this year.

And this could be the year.

by Be All You Can Berube on Mar 5, 2010 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

If he can help us win the Cup, then keep him here. Stanley Cup > a RFA year

Even atheists believe in Matt Wieters

by wickedwitch on Mar 5, 2010 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t see how it makes sense now. His numbers are good but he’s being very carefully managed by BB. If they were going to roll with him in the playoffs I would have rather they called him up earlier. If they do burn that 10th game, they had better do it to keep him up. Overall I just don’t think they handled him or Alzner well this year, and I hope it doesn’t come back to bite us. Delaying his FA years would have been extremely helpful, but there’s also not much doubt that he’s better than Sloan/Erskine for sure. So until Juice is healthy Shamo/Carlson is the best bottom pair we can do.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Mar 5, 2010 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

Is 10 games the number that loses an RFA year?

If so, and BB is playing Carlson tomorrow as he said, you may as well keep him up at this point.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 5, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s “more than ten.” So if he suits up for an 11th, then we know the idea is to keep him up long term.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Mar 6, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright, thanks for the info!

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 6, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

His numbers are good but he’s being very carefully managed by BB.

To that end:

ES TOI/60

1) Mike Green — 16.90
2) Joe Corvo — 16.02
3) Tom Poti — 15.95
4) Jeff Schultz — 15.93
5) John Erskine — 14.61
6) John Carlson — 14.36

QualComp

1) Joe Corvo — .075
2) Tom Poti — .067
3) Jeff Schultz — .036
4) Tyler Sloan — 0.0
5) Mike Green – -.001
6) Shaone Morrisonn – -.011
7) John Carlson – -.012

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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 5, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s face it. After he became the Great American Hero, I’m sure his agent is on full alert. Is it possible that keeping him up is a “goodwill” attempt by the club hoping that once they do offer him a contract, he’ll be more agreeable to stay (at a more reasonable rate) even if it is a year early?

"We'll just reload our weapons and be ready for the second half of the season." - AO

by bagace on Mar 5, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s wise (or likely) to make personnel decisions now based on the presumption that a guy will have good will and take a discount later.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Mar 5, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

"You ever use smelling salts, every time you type a bad blog?" Brooks Laich

by Carl Putnam on Mar 6, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s up because he has the opportunity to play with the current roster/injury situation. If he’s going to be playing every day, then he is going to be up here. If there are six better than he is, then he goes back to Hershey. He’s not going to stick around here and be the 7th D-man. There’s no point in him sitting in the pressbox eating nachos….

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 6, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t imagine a scenario where they let him burn an RFA year then stash him on the bench/send him down. If it happens, then I’ll be extremely pissed. However, I understand their rationale with the Carlznerson management this season. This was supposed to be the year that Alzner earned a spot and he failed to do it. Carlson did well in limited playing time and Boudreau stuck with him because he succeeded in that role.

I can understand if you think they could have been more patient with Alzner, but the simple fact of the matter is that Carlson has outplayed him.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlson’s numbers look better, that’s true. But he’s played fewer games, so I’m not convinced that the sample size is enough. Remember, Alzner’s first ~20 games were his best. I also think Alzner got thrown a little bit more into the fire. It looked like he was getting put out there in tougher situations and with worse partners than Carlson has gotten. We’ll see how it plays out, but I’m not happy with the situation we have. Carlson is going to burn a year on his contract but may not have enough games left to get ready for the playoffs. It’s not like Carlson has played so well that you can’t take him out of the lineup. The gains over Alzner are marginal at best, and the loss of an RFA year is by no means marginal.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Mar 5, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

A matter of lefts and rights

Maybe it’s rust as with the rest of the team, but seeing Carlson in a tense situation of puck indecision in both the Buffalo game and in person at the Tampa Bay game where he couldn’t get the puck out, and it caused a flurry on the goalies, it’s best to keep him in Hershey for the playoffs unless for injury call-ups.

It’s smart for Boudreau to use him now to boost confidence and gain familiarity with his teammates in case he needs to be called up in the playoffs. Alzner may be having a tad of a down year, but I think it’s a matter of his left-handed stick that’s keeping him out more because of the coach’s desire to get that left-right balance. Heck, we even picked up another righty in Corvo to maintain that balance, losing a righty in Pothier.

Also notice that analysts have said that Alzner’s play was better when paired with Jurcina, who is, yup, right handed. Say, you know who is left handed and could use to take a few more seats? Erskine. Couldn’t resist.

by chockster on Mar 5, 2010 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

Right now...

The Caps depth chart on the back line looks like this:

  1. Green
  2. Poti
  3. Corvo
  4. Schultz
  5. Morrisonn
  6. Carlson
  7. Erskine
  8. Alzner

Jurcina, when he comes back, probably slots in after Morrisonn, so at that point Carlson may go back to Hershey. If Juice slots in after Carlson, then Carlson will stay. I strongly suspect Juice will get a game or two in Hershey for conditioning after he gets healed up during the regular season. A sports hernia is something you have to test in game conditions…

For now, as long as Juice is out, Carlson is an NHL defenseman.

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 6, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Double sports hernia surgery means I don’t think we see Juice again this year. He’s already slow and that would be a nightmare to recover from so fast and then get into NHL playoff action. If the Caps play Carlson for the rest of the regular season just to send him to HER for the playoffs I’ll be utterly baffled. I think and hope this means he’s here to play until the Caps are eliminated.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Mar 9, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The last 2 teams Carlson has been on have won their tournaments. Carlson must have some good juju going on so if the Caps at least keep him as juice boy in the locker room, the Stanley Cup is in the bag. #Carlsonwinscups

by J.B on Mar 6, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Brian Burke could have used a true American hero recently...

CИДHИЙ KPOCБИЙ: АЛEKCAHДP OBEЧKИH, OH CEЙЧAC TBOЙ ПAПA

by red army line on Mar 7, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s actually the only part of the clip I don’t like – can’t leave a teammate hangin’ like that!

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by winterion on Mar 7, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Bullshit. He was already going into his celebration when the guy came over for a lame high five. That’s a gold medal goal. You celebrate that with a hug, not a high five.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Rob Parker on Mar 9, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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