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Rink Roundtable: Trade Deadline 2010

"I like what we did – we got better and deeper and didn’t give up our future to do it. We also didn’t take on any bad contracts to do it. I was really pleased with the way it went." - George McPhee

Heading into this year’s trade deadline, the general sense around the league was that it would be a relatively uneventful one at best. The lethal combination of multiple teams being in the playoff hunt, a shallow crop of pending unrestricted free agents, and some "desirables" moving weeks before the deadline led to a situation where guys like Raffi Torres became highly prized commodities. And it didn’t disappoint, with many calling this the most boring Deadline Day in years – despite a record 55 players finding new homes by the time the dust had settled.

For the Capitals and their fans, however, Wednesday  was anything but boring as George McPhee and company added Eric Belanger, Scott Walker, Joe Corvo and old friend Milan Jurcina to the lineup, sacrificing a handful of picks and just one roster player in the process. They may not have been flashy, but the moves definitely sent a message to the rest of the League that the Caps are ready to contend.

Becca H: It will probably be a few games before we really know what we’ve got in our new players; no trade can be judged solely on the paper transaction itself. In the afterglow of their debut, we break down the trades and weigh in on a highly eventful day here in CapsNation.

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Question 1: First impressions - overall, how successful do you think McPhee was in addressing needs within the Caps' lineup?

David M. Getz: In a word, "very".

In my opinion the Capitals really needed to acquire two assets: a second or third line center who would move David Steckel to the fourth line and provide more options if Brendan Morrison continues to slump and a top-four defenseman who could take some pressure off the current defense corps and move some guys down on the depth chart. I think the team got that in Belanger and Corvo.

The additions of Jurcina and Walker were almost icing on the cake. What they do is give the Caps more options in terms of depth, which could very likely become key in a playoff run. As D'ohboy pointed out on Wednesday, last postseason the Caps had a significant number of man-games played by guy who, frankly, aren't solid NHL players. That shouldn't happen this year (knock on wood).

J.P.:  I agree with D, for the most part. When we talked "needs" before the deadline, strengthening the center position was at or near the top of the list, and they did that. So was beefing up the blueline, of course, and while the team didn't add a "shutdown" or "crease-clearing" blueliner, they did upgrade the position by adding Corvo.

What we didn't talk about as a "need" was depth, and the additions of Walker and Juice add just that. Overlooked in the loss to Pittsburgh was the fact that the team was down to basically three lines of forwards and had a badly beaten up blueline by the end. That won't happen again. The Caps are well-equipped to face the rigors of a deep playoff run.

Stephen Pepper: Initially I was a bit underwhelmed, having been gleefully drawn into the hype of possibly nabbing the likes of Dan Hamhuis or Tomas Vokoun, but I've warmed to the furious deadline day results for the Caps.

Belanger possesses obvious skills -- face off winning and penalty killing (the latter of which on account of McPhee's deadline day say-so) -- of which this team can always use more.  As DMG points out, the team now has a viable backstop for a slumping Morrison, or if Tomas Fleischmann suddenly unravels from having to shoulder the burden of a scoring line pivot in the post-season. Scott Walker is a clear upgrade over Quintin Laing on the depth chart (even if he barely tallies two more goals for the rest of the season), as much as we all love Q's heart and determination.

Corvo, while having a checkered off-ice past (from which he's hopefully long since moved on), possesses some dangerous puck moving and PP point-shooting tools. I agree that he may prove to be a vital back-up plan for eating up minutes of some other top four D who is inevitably going to get banged up at some point during the playoffs. He's also, perhaps, a second-unit option on the PP if and when Mike Green needs a rest there (not to mention being a second point option in place of Alex Ovechkin up top, who has been known to promote anxiety and heartburn with a few instances of coughing up the puck at the line with a man up).

Finally, from the beginning of this season, we've noted that team toughness may be an issue with the Capitals. With the additions of the "new" three yesterday, these Caps just got a lot grittier. Nastier. A loose cannon to get opponents a little more on edge, and another center to wear down opposing D. Somewhat in the way that the Pens' additions of Chris Kunitz and Bill Guerin improved their "team toughness" at the last trade deadline. And I have to say -- that's the part that excites me most going into post-season play.

JP: One point on Belanger - everyone's quick to praise his penalty killing, but he was one of Minny's worst PKing forward (this year and last) when he was there. Hopefully he works out a bit better here.

BH: As the others have mentioned, the key with all of these acquisitions is depth, depth and more depth.

Every position got a boost, which as J.P. points out will be increasingly important down the stretch and into the playoffs. If there’s an injury, added depth allows the Caps to turn to NHL-caliber talent - instead of having to use players whose talent level falls short. If a player slumps, there are guys behind him able to step in and pick up the slack. It gives the team and the coaching staff options they didn’t have before, and that makes this team harder to figure out and harder to defend against.

What shouldn’t be underestimated is the gritty, veteran presence this team now has. While Knuble and Morrison have partially filled that role, the fact remains that this is still a young team with a lot of emotion and a lot of inexperience. Three of the four new players are in their 30s, seasoned vets with playoff experience who will all be hungry for their first shot at the Cup.

 The consensus seems to be that, overall, GMGM had a very successful day - but at what cost?

Question 2: Were there any trades in which you felt McPhee overpaid? And on the flip side, who do you feel was the biggest bargain?

JP: The knee-jerk reaction would be to say that he overpaid on Corvo, giving up a top-six defenseman in Brian Pothier, a big-bodied prospect in Oskar Osala and a second-round pick. But Pothier's health is always a question mark, Osala's skating is suspect and he hasn't come along as hoped (though one wonders if that was a product of the logjam in the organization and his handling in Hershey), and next year's draft is apparently gonig to be the worst in over a decade. So I think that's a fair price on Corvo. If there was any overpayment, it was for Belanger and it wasn't eggregious; time will tell on that one.

Walker's a steal. With all due respect to Andrew Gordon and Stefan Della Rovere, seventh round picks aren't typically worth nearly what Walker can be expected to bring to this team. Great move.

BH: That was my initial reaction on the Corvo deal, too, but you nailed it on the head – giving up three pieces for one sounds like an overpayment, and sometimes it is, but in this case it’s looking like a pretty fair deal for both sides. I’m not even sure that a 2nd round pick for Belanger is much of an overpayment. It’s likely to be a late 2nd round pick, and addresses a specific need: skill and faceoff ability up the middle.

A 7th round pick for Walker is absolutely a steal. He’s never going to be a top 6 forward (at least not on this team) but the intangibles he could bring – combined with the potential for unexpected playoff heroics – make this a low risk, potentially high reward move.

I’d maybe throw in the Jurcina reacquisition as a bargain as well, mostly because it makes the Chimera trade from earlier this year seem like an even better one. That has essentially become Clark and a 6th round pick for someone who fits better and produces more than our ex-captain, all while shedding a bit of salary for a few weeks.

DMG: Same. My initial reaction was that McPhee had overpaid for Corvo, but I admit that part of that was that I was underrating the guy. I basically saw his as a marginal improvement over Pothier - a second-pairing puck-mover as opposed to a second/third-pairing puck mover. I'm happy to say that I'm now pretty sure I was wrong.

By the numbers, Corvo's simply a very, very good player. Alan Ryder's analytical analysis from last season(PDF warning) had Corvo in the top fifteen among defensemen in terms of overall player contribution and 20th in defensive platy contribution, in the same range as guys like Chris Pronger, Robyn Regehr, and Duncan Keith. Now the methodolgy's probably not perfect and numbers don't tell the whole story, so maybe he's not a number one guy. But he's clearly a number two or three. He has a reputation for turnovers, but this season he only has 16 in 34 games - one every other game while playing over 25 minutes a night.

I liked both the Jurcina deal and the Walker deal from a price standpoint. Sixth and seventh round picks have such a low success rate, and each trade addressed the team's need for depth. That's giving up very little to gain something that wind up being very important.

Pepper: Let's also not forget how much of a gamble even a second round selection has been in the past, even through "strong" draft years. From THN, just 30% of second round selections from 1980 through 1999 managed to play in at least 200 NHL games (or 100, if a goalie).

And regardless, if there is a time for this franchise to gamble a bit on the future..., well, "Get Ready, It's Our Time," right?

JP: I'd agree. But I see some places saying GMGM "went all-in," and I just don't see it. I mean, yes, he played some chips. But he by no means pushed his stack into the middle of the table. At the end of the day, this was not a lot out, but a lot in return.

DMG: Yeah, there's no way McPhee went all in (not that he should have). You walk away with Karl Alzner, Marcus Johansson, the goalies, and all your first round picks, that's not all in.

Pepper:  Right.  All of the "untouchables" - Alzner, John Carlson, the trio of young 'tenders, and Johansson, stayed put.

BH: Question 3: We’ve touched on this a little, but talk about the trade for Joe Corvo as the only one involving a roster player - is your initial sense that Corvo is an upgrade, a downgrade or neither over Brian Pothier?

JP: Clear upgrade, and that's over a healthy Pothier (which is never a certainty). Corvo is more physical, better offensively, and, as D pointed out, probably underrated defensively (which is a common theme now among the Caps' much-maligned top four).

BH: Upgrade. Just based on raw numbers his offensive output was similar to Pothier, and that’s without a bevy of high-scoring teammates to boost his numbers. And to be "just" a -6 as a top 4 defenseman, on a team that has allowed far more goals than its scored, isn’t bad.

Aside from probably being underrated defensively, he also provides another option on the power play – Pothier was never really able to step into that role and the burden often fell to Mike Green to carry the entire two minutes. He’s an upgrade simply in his ability to step in and help manage Green’s ice time while providing a highly capable point man on an already lethal (at times) power play.

Pepper: He's an upgrade in that Pothier, as much as I loved him, never quite blossomed into the offensive threat from the blue line that McPhee envisioned when he signed him to a four-year deal. Obviously the devastating concussion, courtesy of Milan Lucic, in 2008 contributed.

Corvo appears to marginally improve the offensive skill set of the D corps (if not directly addressing the Caps greater defensive need of managing the crease better).

DMG: Clear upgrade. Better shot, better skater, and better defensively.

BH: So we've touched on the new Caps - but there were many other names on the move, and more notably, many other names not on the move.

Question 4: Given the number of buyers versus sellers this year, were you surprised that a few "big" names rumored to be moving (Vokoun, Hamhuis, etc) ended up staying put? Were you surprised by any of the players who DID move?

DMG: I'm slightly surprised on Hamhuis, mostly because I thought the acquisition of Denis Grebeshkov was a precursor to a Hamhuis move. I'm not at all surprised about Vokoun. Florida really should probably deal him, but the summer will let more bidders get in on the action and give the teams more time to work something out.

As a whole, the day was about what I expected. For the most part the trades involving "name" players that were going to happen had already happened.

BH: I was really surprised by Hamhuis as well – I just can’t see the value of his rights being higher than his value at the deadline, and Poile’s not usually one for losing guys for nothing. And I was somewhat surprised at the Wolski-for-Mueller trade (mostly for the inclusion of Wolski), although it seems like a move that will benefit both teams and both players.

JP: I'm not surprised that Hamhuis didn't move. The thing people tend to forget is how much revenue a team brings in per playoff game and how much that might mean to a team like Nashville. Keeping Hamhuis, maybe even winning a round in the playoffs, and then deadling his rights in June are likely worth more to the Preds than what David Poile was being offered in return for a rental D (albeit a good one). Similar logic for teams on the playoff fringe.

As for Vokoun, with another year left on his contract, Florida can look to trade him this summer when there might be more buyers (with more flexibility) and they might get a better return for him.

So no, I wasn't surprised to see the big-name guys (especially those with No Trade/Movement Clauses) staying put. And no one that moved really shocked me either.

Pepper:  Big names -- Dion Phaneuf, Jean-Sébastien Giguère, Ilya Kovalchuk, all moved well before the Olympic break, which suggested that big moves, if they got done at all, didn't need to wait this season until the deadline.

But the Ryan Whitney for Lubomir Visnovsky deal was an interesting one: you don't see many top 4 D-for-D swaps straight up (more or less -- with a sixth rounder to the Oilers) like that.

BH: Sticking with the guys who did move -

Question 5: A record 55 players changed teams at the deadline; of the 51 who went elsewhere, which ones would you have liked to see the Caps pick up (if any)?

JP: Alexei Ponikarovsky and Jordan Leopold. Duh.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure that I thought, "Damn, I wish the Caps had gotten him" once on Wednesday. What a dud of a Deadline Day League-wide, eh?

DMG: None of the other players that moved do much for me. I could see Steve Staios or Derek Morris if the Caps hadn't acquired Jurcina, but I'm not sure their marginal value is as high as what it would have taken to get either one.

BH: Same. I'd actually say Morris was a downgrade over Jurcina, but that's just basing my opinion of him on getting absolutely undressed by Ovechkin in the playoffs last year and a less than stellar performance with the Bruins this year. I'd take Juice over him any day. Other than that, there just weren't many names that interested me - at least of the guys who moved.

Pepper: I agree. Comparing McPhee's deadline haul only to the universe of players who switched teams yesterday, I don't see a clearly superior option either at F or D. I would have been happy with Seidenberg as well.

BH: Last question - The Caps now have 25 players on the roster and only 20 jerseys available each game. How do you see lineups / rotations shaking out the rest of the season? Who sits, who plays?

DMG: I think Sloan, Erskine, and Laing will consistently be scratches and Gordon, Walker, Bradley, and Steckel will rotate in and out.  Of course, that's if everyone's healthy, which they won't be most of the time.

JP: More important than who's sitting might be how they're handled. We saw that Matt Bradley spoke with media before his own coach yesterday when he found out he'd be one of the scratches, and seemed none too pleased about it. So you'd like to see a bit more communication from the top down to try to keep everyone happy.

That aside, I'd look for Boyd Gordon to lose time to David Steckel and to see some rotating among Bradley and Walker, maybe Chimera too, with Eric Fehr getting some healthy scratches when he does whatever it is that he does to get into Bruce Boudreau's dog house. Laing shouldn't see another minute, you wouldn't think.

On the blueline, I think it's obviously Erskine and Sloan, maybe Mo if Juice ever gets healthy.

BH: Laing and Sloan should both be way on the outside looking in - beyond that, I'd agree that we're going to see a rotation of those 3rd/4th line guys down the stretch, barring injury (which we know will never happen). I think it actually gives the Caps an interesting dynamic. Ovechkin, Backstrom, Laich, these are not guys who wear out easily, although more capable bodies will help manage their minutes more. The guys we should be concerned with and the guys who will likely set the tone for the playoffs are the grinders, the shot-blockers who wear their bodies out.

Oh, and Mike Green.

Definitely agree on the importance of how this is handled. No one wants to sit but Boudreau needs to approach the scratches with more tact than he's used with the goaltenders in the past. We want everyone to understand that they're in this together, even if some guys are sitting every other game.

Pepper: I can't imagine Sloan getting another sweater unless its in a back-to-back game not against the Penguins, and/or the D corps is decimated by injuries.  Erskine's largely in the same boat, but for his once-in-a-while sharp outings, he'll probably get a few more opportunities.

As for forwards, I agree that Laing is clearly on the outside, as one-dimensional as he is.  Gordon and Steckel's stock will rise and fall in relation to Belanger's PK performance and ability to win key draws (he won 2 of 4 in the D end last night, incidentally, and 1 of 3 against Vincent Lecavalier), and vice versa. 

I can see Walker and Brads essentially splitting time for the role they play.  Can't ever see both dressed on the same night, barring injury.

It's going to be fantastic to see so many roster battles, with teammates pushing each other to crack the lineup.

BH: The aspect of teammates pushing each other is huge; I'm not sure this team has had that dynamic heading into the postseason in recent years. Imagine playoff intensity combined with fierce competition on a team this deep and talented - no one will want to take a shift off, ever.

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I like when you guys do this. Solid work.

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by boutros23 on Mar 5, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Would have liked to see Lubo Visnovsky on the Caps. Corvo brings a similar game, and cheaper, so I can live with it.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

Would have liked to see Lubo Visnovsky on the Caps in 2005.

by Yoshietree on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Would have been great then, too. He’s been the only bright spot on the turd known as Edmonton all year.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I should have expanded. I would have loved to see him in DC in 2005, but have no interest now. He’s too expensive with too many years left on his contract.

by Yoshietree on Mar 5, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Edmonton has now one of the worst, if not worst, defenses I’ve ever seen in the NHL. Can’t think of any team that has ever had a worse D corp/goalie combination ever.

I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.

by Area 51 Forever on Mar 6, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

In re: Sloan, Laing and Erskine never getting another sweater — I’d love for that to be the case. Unfortunately, we’ve seen too many instances of Bruce dressing someone “because they haven’t played in a while and need to stay sharp” to think that will necessarily happen.

Game-Over Green? Canada-Over Carlson!

by Scott in Shaw on Mar 5, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

I hear you, but I hope that past instances of that were required because those guys were the only injury backups. Now the team has even more depth at both ends.

by Stephen Pepper on Mar 5, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially since we have a bit of a cushion.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont have a problem with this. guys need to play to stay sharp so that if called upon, they can step in at nearly full spead. lets face it, we are going to make the playoffs and likely to win the conference, i dont have a problem rotating erskine in there to take some miles off some of the other guys. if the PK keeps struggling, i wouldnt mind seeing Q in there for a game if only to send a message to the other guys.

i dont see BB doing a lot of this in the last week or so before the playoff start.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

As overrated as Belanger’s PK prowess is, Q’s is much more overrated.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Recs Grossman.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

so he could make them worse than 25th on the PK?

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, if you’re not dead last there’s always room to fall…

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Even when you are dead last there is always room to fall

/weeps into Wendel Clark jersey

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not swapping it out for a Kessel one yet, huh? ;)

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Jerseys are expensive!

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But the Kessel jersey has a super power. It can make you invisible.*

 *Offer only applies in international contexts

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

So it has the same superpowers the Russian jersey had*

*In your face!

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We didn’t waste two first round picks for our super invisible man.*

 *No yours!

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope just Eleventy Billion Dollars :P

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

(What do you think of Caputi so far? I didn’t watch last night but it looked like he made a real solid play on the Bozak goal.)

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Decent start. Good effort on the Bozak goal. Should have had a clear breakaway but he’s a little slow and was gassed.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Seeing as the Pens gave him up I hope he’s the second coming of Cam Neely.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too!

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Shouldn’t you be buying sweaters up there?

Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.

by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i suppose there is no argument for that. my point was that putting in Q you may show some folks who arent getting the job done, there are others available. whether or not those others are necessarily better is sort of besides the point…in fact, it might emphasize the point.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know. Just felt like being a brat ;)

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

not at all. i like the line about being dead, especially since i have some employees to review this week. that line may come in handy.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Q has the worst GAON/60 at 5-on-5 of the guys who’ve been here all year, so yeah, at that rate, giving him more minutes would make the team worse.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

you with your stats and all…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

do you know whether these type of stats get considered by coaches and/or whether players are aware of how they rank in these situtations?

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve never heard any references from any players or coaches to advanced statistics like these, but I’d be shocked if front offices aren’t using them and other non-traditional metrics to evaluate player performance.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember a THN story Mike Smith wrote about how only a handful at most of teams ever got back to him about the advanced stats he was trying to sell. Minnesota has a guy dedicated to doing it but I don’t think it’s as wide-spread as you would think.

From the Leafs perspective, Brian Burke was asked about it once and he said that the team gets approached about once a month by PhDs and math whizzes with their personal all-encompassing stats but he has yet, after rigorous analysis, found one that he likes.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Minnesota has a guy dedicated to doing it but I don’t think it’s as wide-spread as you would think.

Yeah, that guy’s really smart. He must have gone to a really good college…

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I have a feeling he might be an exception to the rule about that school….

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Until someone “wins” cosistently with a formula like that I don’t think GMs will be into the advanced stats game. I would say its like Moneyball, but that’s a different situation because hockey doesn’t have the massive economic imbalance that baseball has.

But there will ALWAYS be skills that are “undervalued” in any market, and I think the best GMs are the ones that find those and use them to get good players cheaply.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But there will ALWAYS be skills that are "undervalued" in any market, and I think the best GMs are the ones that find those and use them to get good players cheaply.

Exactly. And the other thing is that a lot of these metrics used to measure a player’s game can be seen by someone with a good scouting eye.

For example, we use a buttload of complicated stats around here to prove to disbelievers that Schultz is a very good defenseman. But if you watch him with a discerning eye (i.e. the way scouts/GMs watch him and most fans DON’T watch him) you see the things those stats spell out.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s so positionally sound…like he never gets caught out of a position and he’s very infrequently in a spot where he has to chase a guy down. What more could you want out of a defenseman?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Pick up the guy in the slot just a little more frequently.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Schultz is awesome. But he should work on improving his bat speed. When he winds up his slap shot, I can hear the slugs in my backyard laughing.

ah-VEECH-kin

by renhoak on Mar 5, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll tell him to get with Juice about it.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Juice, my blunderbuss called. It wants its accuracy back.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

McPhee called up Howson and said “Hey Howson, the Us Store called and said we’re running out of Juice!”

GMGM is not a funny man.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s nice to have Juice to kick around again.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I Lol’ed aloud in the office. Good thing it’s a Friday afternoon. A rec to you FD

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by Rather Bengt on Mar 5, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That is brilliant. And probably quite true.

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by boutros23 on Mar 5, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor Sarge :P It’s not his fault, he’s just so very tall – the neurons have a long way to go from the brain to his limbs, you know?

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I do love him, the big dopey son of a gun.

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by boutros23 on Mar 5, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

so, he’s kinda like a dinosaur?

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by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Schultz seems to decell

In games when he takes a shot from the point, anytime where he’s not in perfect ballance (or the pass isn’t right in his wheelhouse) he seems to do what an unsure golfer does, he decellerates. It’s really weird to watch, and often means really poor shots. He’s had a few he’s really got his weight behind lately, so hopefully he’s getting better at it (not to mention more confident… A huge deal).

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by Chris meet Alex on Mar 5, 2010 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Dave Tippett has a system he uses.

Tippett established years ago a way of assessing players’ performances, a modified plus/minus system that looked at a player’s involvement in scoring chances for and against, hits, turnovers, takeaways. He and his coaching staff tabulate things like double-driving the net, where two players are driving the net to try to create scoring chances or getting back into the play to disrupt an opponent’s scoring chance.

The system takes into account each player’s role on the team. An offensive player, one who logs power-play time, should have a significantly higher “plus” rating under Tippett’s system than a player who is a stay-at-home defenseman or defensive forward. But within the system, each player can be graded and have their effectiveness tracked over time.

The system reinforced to Tippett that he should use his Czech players — Martin Hanzal, Petr Prucha and Radim Vrbata — against other teams’ top lines. It might not look right on paper, but statistically, it has proved successful.

Every 10 games, the coaches will look at the results of the system to see whether changes need to be made based on successes or failures and discuss those positives and negatives with the players individually. After each game, a separate analysis is done, with each coach providing a grade of a player’s effectiveness in that contest and his impact on the game given his specific role.

For what it’s worth.

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by Wheeler on Mar 5, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

It’s worth a playoff spot and a Jack Adams.

I thought he was crazy at first to use the Czech line as his shutdown line. Hanzal was the only guy with a rep as a defensive guy out of the three. Vrbata has been the biggest surprise. he was known as a streaky scorer, not a Selke candidate. Radim has made some amazing defensive plays this season.

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by CP2Devil on Mar 5, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s great stuff, but definitely not practical for league-wide analysis. No wonder Tippett is such a successful coach.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, because it’s a blend of statistical analysis with incredibly good empirical analysis — the type you can only produce by being so close and spending so much time watching a group players.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 5, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Great stuff Wheeler. Thanks for adding this. Great read.

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by Rather Bengt on Mar 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats GMGM’s bluesteel.

by JSchon on Mar 5, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

i prefer boyd gordon—and his ability to play C or W, win a huge percentage of faceoffs, play the PK—over brads/walker in a situation where steckel is the 4th line center. the belanger 4-on-5 numbers concern me, but they downright frighten me if gordon’s the one pushed out of the lineup.

by Natty Bumppo on Mar 5, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

I know it’s one game and the guy didn’t even have a practice yet… but Belanger’s inability to win a faceoff killed us last night on more than one occasion. I came away from that game thinking to myself, Stecks and Gordo should never sit if healthy, even if only used for faceoffs on the PK. (part of me feels like stecks should be tossed out on the PP in certain situations).

I would love to see some small bubble rotations. By that I mean.
4th line of ____/39/15, with 10 and 24 filling those slots.
3rd line rotation between 14, 16, 18 and 25.
I feel like having a rotation like that on the 3rd and 4th lines keeps guys more fresh. If we need grit, maybe brads or walker get promoted and someone from the 3rd line sits, but our key faceoffs were bad last night and it cost us 2 goals that I don’t think happen, or happen as fast with 39 taking the first PK draw. (Plus, he could piss of Vinny and send him home crying to his mommy)

by FFSEnough on Mar 5, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

hate to be that guy that replies to his own reply, but one thing that’s overlooked in the depth we picked up is BB can now match up with other teams. We can put a grit lineup out there if needed, or a finesse lineup that can skate around the opposition.

Anyone else know how tiny Walker was? on SKATES, he’s barely taller than Smokin’… Smokin’ ain’t tall.

by FFSEnough on Mar 5, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that’s why he got compared to GMGM a lot.

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by Wheeler on Mar 5, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s keeping that tiny, tiny #24 jersey warm for a certain swarthy French Canadian.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Le Reque, oui.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

As in a certain hirstute fellow who’s last name was based on an old Latin word for rock.

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by CapsFan75 on Mar 5, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

btw, rec’d for another excellent roundtable. it’s like reading through a comment section without all the forced one-liners (for good and for bad, depending on one’s mood).

by Natty Bumppo on Mar 5, 2010 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

this.

{ducks}

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

always the rebel, gouldie.

by Natty Bumppo on Mar 5, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Superb coverage. Thanks.

BB’s lack of tact re: TOI seems to me a great hole card. In the next few weeks he needs to communicate a very short leash while collecting a ton of data (G) and integrating new staff in key roles (everywhere else).
There’s not much handholding to be done at Caps’ present altitude.

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by redlineblue on Mar 5, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Minor nitpick, I think the 2nd rounder for Corvo was a 2011 pick, so the weakness of this year’s class doesn’t really bear on it. But if you’re one who discounts a pick by a round for every year in the future, then it’s really a 3rd, so there’s that. If GMGM could flip Eminger for a first I’m thinking he can get a better pick back and then some.

Let’s give Belanger more than one game before concluding he can’t win a faceoff. The PK thing is a bit worrisome though.

by grapejoos on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Ah, the same confusion arose in the actual roundtable. I believe JP is referring to the 2011 pick when he says “next year” – 2011 is supposed to be a really crappy class, although you’ll have to defer to draft geeks around here for confirmation of that.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed – by “next year” I meant “next year.”

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Got it, thanks. Is this year’s draft thought to be especially good or bad?

by grapejoos on Mar 5, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially good if you took the Leafs’ first round pick in a compensation package for Phil Kessel. Otherwise, not sure.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what you get for showing up, PPP.

by grapejoos on Mar 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

When we have a pick it’s a (Leafs’ Pick #) – 1 deep draft. Now, of course, it’s one of the deepest drafts ever 5 months after being terrible.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously though…we’re predicting the strength of the draft class 15 months from now? Things change a lot in 15 months.

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by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

More than anything, the Caps can now match the “next six” forwards to opponents. I suspect Bradley and Walker will be swapped in and out, Steckel and Gordon being the other pair exchanging sweaters.

On defense, there are going to be teams I absolutely would not expect John Erksine to play against, but frankly there are those against whom Jurcina playing would concern me.

In the end, though, juggling a roster of skaters to find 18 sweaters for 23 bodies might pale in comparison to the fact that Boudreau has 18 games to get a clear idea about his goaltenders. That decision was supposed to be, in a perfect (ie. without injury) world, made by now.

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by ThePeerless on Mar 5, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

I think the decision is made.

I think it is Theo.

I think he has a short leash.

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree. If Varly had looked like his old self in his last couple of starts, it would be tougher, but he hasn’t. So Theo on a short leash it is.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll see. Not very fair to expect Varly to be in top form after missing so much time.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but until you’re sure that it is just because of rust and not a step back in his development as a #1 guy, you have to go with the guy who is performing like one – especially this close to the playoffs.

I do think Varly will regain his form eventually, fwiw, and I think it’ll come just in time for the postseason. But only knowing what we know and seeing the results we’ve seen, the feeling has to be that Theo is The Guy. For now.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Right on, Becca.

by cuqui on Mar 5, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. And this is why the next few weeks are crucial. Varly needs NHL starts to get sharp again. Theo needs to get into a groove. In a way, I’m not at all upset about the compressed schedule — especially with the F and D depth the team just acquired.

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, Varly was injured at this time last year. Yes, he was out most of Feb and March with an injury, which is why Neuvirth was up with the Caps to begin with.

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by CapsFan75 on Mar 5, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it’s more or less unprecedented, but I’d like to see the goalies rotate until one clearly is the man, even if that extends into rounds 1 and 2 of the playoffs.

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by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I always find it funny that more teams don’t rotate goalies in the postseason that often. I get that you want to establish consistency and a “go-to guy” but teams are often judged on how good BOTH goalies are – teams w/ a decent starter and a mediocre at best backup are seen as being weak in net.

Unless you’ve got Brodeur (in his prime, not Brodeur circa 2009), the backup should be able to carry some of the load. Can’t help but think Varly doesn’t get tired out last year if they did that here…not sure it would have helped the team that much since they were out of gas by the end but still.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

But even Canada rotated out Brodeur and won gold because of it (proving your point)

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by CapitalDominion on Mar 6, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Two Things

Re: Belanger’s PK abilities

I wonder what the PK sv% was when he was on the ice. (ie someone do the work for me)

Re: “next year’s draft is apparently gonig to be the worst in over a decade”

They used to say that about this year’s draft too until the Leafs traded their first round pick away. Since they don’t have one in 2011 you can look forward to hearing about one of the best draft classes in decades by next October.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, Gabe posted on SH SV% today and Backstrom The Lesser was his poster boy.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Outsider's perspective

I think Ponikarovsky was the best forward moved at the deadline and he improves Pittsburgh’s top 6 and maybe their PP too if he can be bothered to screen the goalie.

As well, I think the Caps are a pretty good team to begin with so I don’t know that they needed much tinkering but depth at the bottom will play a big factor in the playoffs. “Uh Oh” Corvo has his defensive problems but he also helps ensure that the Caps don’t go the way of the Sabres and leave you guys crying about injuries.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

He absolutely was – and your point is the point I’ve made, that when you’ve already got a good top 6, getting the “best” guy at the deadline means filling the little holes and not trying to fix what isn’t broke. It’s why I question people saying the Pens did better than the Caps. Obviously we won’t know until the playoffs who actually “won” deadline day but at best I’d say its a wash. Both improved areas they needed to improve on, both got better and both remain two of the top teams in the East.

I’m inclined to believe the Caps have the slight edge here (in my completely unbiased way, as usual) because they started out with a better group going into the deadline. Poni was the best guy available, for sure, and he might do really well alongside either Crosby or Malkin, but I’d still be more afraid of the Caps’ top 6 if I’m the opponent.

Don’t even get me started on Jordan Leopold. This comment is long enough.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer Leopold only because I’ve seen enough of Corvo to know that he’s Ian White circa 2006 (which is pretty bad).

Big shot, no defensive acumen, easily over powered, prone to turnovers because of shying away from contact and/or mega brainfarts.

Of course, that’s from when the Leafs played him 8 times a year. He definitely adds offensive potential.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a fair point. I seem to recall him playing us pretty tough with the Canes, but maybe certain teams just bring it out in guys – also, he’s not coming in here to be part of the top D pair. Being asked to do too much can be a problem, as it was for Pothier in his first season w/ the Caps. But I think as a poor man’s Mike Green, Corvo’s perfect. Adds more offense from the D, which we actually need – take out 52 and it’s an area that’s lacking.

Leopold is a decent 2nd/3rd pair D but I don’t believe he’s what they need to fix a pretty weak blueline and he’s certainly not as good as people want to make him out to be.

Last night on NHLNet they highlighted “a great defensive play” by Leopold where he was being pressured behind the net and he passed the puck the other way to a teammate 3 feet from him. The play ended w/ a Pens goal, but it’s such a stretch to say a standard defensive play that even Erskine makes in his sleep is why they scored – but oddly enough, that’s what they were trying to say. Annoying. /rant

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like you are just basing your opinion on high profile gaffes. I had the same opinion, as did (apparently) DMG and several others. How do you square his numbers in Alan Ryder’s analysis with all that? Looks like he’s getting the job done somehow…

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What would the effect of Vokoun being amazing have on Leopold’s stats as well? He stops a lot of shots that would probably go in with a lesser goaltender.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s also played in Calgary in front of Kiprusoff. FWIW.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

But looked dreadful in COL before they got Anderson…. hmmmm….

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Brilliant!

Wait, was he there when Jose was there? I forget. I want to say yes…

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they got him at the deadline Jose’s last year there

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s just what I was thinking…I guess the other extreme would be the Colorado years under the three-headed Raycroft/Budaj/Theodore monster.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Just 8 games a year for 3 or 4 years which is a small sample size. If the numbers are different they look at a lot more games than I do.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep forgetting he was in Ottawa and that’s how you saw him 8 times a year. I seriously was like…wait, TO’s not in our division. Hmm.

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by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The stats indicate that Corvo has been much better the last couple of years than he was in Ottawa.

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Corvo fills a major, underrated need here, and that’s for more offense from the backline. I’ve pointed this out before, but if God forbid, something happened to Mike Green, there would be NOTHING back there in terms of offense.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yesssss.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

God forbid nothing – we saw it happen to Mike Green last year. I doubt we’ll see a repeat but you never know, and I’d guess that was at the forefront of GMGM’s thinking.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Pittsburgh beat the holy hell out of him last year…and all our D.

I think it was one of Pittsburgh’s D who pointed out after one game that by the end of it the Caps’ D was just gassed from being beaten up all game.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is from a random google search to find that quote, but this could be the greatest headline ever

http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2009/02/washington-capitals-mark-green-sets-new-record-for-defensemen/

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

MARK GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!

by DrinkingPartner on Mar 5, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

#goodGrief52

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by redlineblue on Mar 5, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

woulda been better if it were an ESPN headline

by Gr8Laichs on Mar 5, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Wolski would disagree with you. But of the FAs to be, agreed he was the best.

by Reckless on Mar 5, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what? In terms of long-term potential definitely. For right now I think Poni shades him.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wolski’s Polish. That gives him the edge.

by Reckless on Mar 5, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Ukraine is not weak

Poni wins

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ukraine is game to you?

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by Sombrero Guy on Mar 5, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

How bout I take your little board and smash it!!

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by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff, guys. After reading this, I feel much better about the deals. What kills teams every year in the playoffs is injuries. So when you have head and shoulders the league’s best team, it makes sense to hedge against losing guys rather than trying to plug what may or may not be holes.

Personally, I’d rather see 15 get a regular jersey than 39. Great guy, no question, but other than the faceoffs, I don’t see what Steckel really brings to the team. He’’s got by far the worst shot on the team (ok, maybe tied with Schultz), and no nose for offense. Gordon doesn’t score a lot, but he can shoot and pass when the opportunity presents itself – he’s not a dead offensive weight on the line like Steckel is. Would 15-24-10 work as a 4th line? Sounds great to me, and I don’t want to see Brads sit much.

by katzistan on Mar 5, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

If you asked GMGM

I think he would say the Corvo deal was the toughest for him to make. What is the marginal value of Corvo over Pothier? It’s significant, for sure, but he’s a rental. And we gave up a 2nd round pick and an average prospect merely for an upgrade, not a straight addition which clearly is more valuable.

I’m guessing Corvo was not the first guy on his list, and he because other deals didn’t get done, GMGM stepped out of his gameplan somewhat to get this deal done, knowing he had to make some addition to the top 4 blueliners.

Not I think he significantly overpaid, but strictly speaking, I would say Carolina got more value.

Despite that, I am happy with the trade because of our above average abundance of prospects in the pipeline.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 5, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Martin Skoula was pretty cheap…

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Would he play in our top 4? I’m not very familiar with his skill set.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure he’d be in Hershey’s Top 4.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I was being facetious. J.P.’s got it right.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

If every other defenseman on our team got food poisoning and couldn’t play – and none of the callups could make it in time for the game – and Stretch wasn’t available…then yes, yes he would.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think CAR’s value entirely depends on OO. I doubt that second ends up being much, and we needed to move someone to make room for Corvo. If you still think OO is going to make it, then CAR got value. If you think his skating will never be good enough then we got a steal.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think OO will do very well for Carolina* and IM largely uninformed opinion the overall excellence of the Hershey/Caps organization is actually hindering the development of its young players. Not enough ice time, possibly not even enough adversity, and definitely not enough room for upward advancement.

*Also, no reason he couldn’t come back to the Caps via a trade or FA down the road.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know if that’s all true. Even Bouchard, who many were already expecting to bust, made his way above the 4th line for HER. Sure, it’s tough to get ice there, but if OO couldn’t beat guys like Gordon, Pinner, and Bouchard for ice then maybe he’s not that good. With his size and hands he should have gotten above the 4th line this year.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes but. There’s always gonna be that element of “our top lines are doing so well we don’t want to tinker too much.” I think a change of scenery might be good for him. And if it isn’t, well, heh.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Give him a wide open chance with little competition. If he doesn’t seize a top 6 spot in the AHL and produce now, well, that says what we need to know. He certainly has no competition in the CAR farm.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s also worth mentioning that Giroux and Aucoin both saw a lot of action with the Caps early in the season, and Chris Smith was on vacation in America’s Most Popular Tourist Destination. OO had plenty of opportunity with some of Hershey’s best players gone.

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Very good points.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess 9 games is a lot for those guys. Needless to say they seemed horribly out of place when they were up here. They were the poster boys for the types of guys that don’t translate from the AHL to the NHL. Aucoin is a good team player with average skill but a glaring lack of size and ability to maintain composure under real NHL heat. And Giroux just seemed hopelessly out of the flow of play the entire time, and despite his size couldn’t seem to execute any semblance of the game that he plays in Hershey.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 5, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

How pleased am I that Kyle Wilson, Jay Beagle, Keith Aucoin, Alex Giroux and Chris Smith will not be on the roster during the playoffs (knocking on wood)?

Very pleased. So very pleased.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. McPhee is clearly bearish on OO, and I guess I am evaluating it based on OO eventually adequately filling a 3rd line PWF/GRN role.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 5, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Leino was good in Finland too.. then one of the best GMs in the NHL let him walk. Hmmmmm.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He also traded Tomas Fleischmann ;)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

For the league’s leading scorer at the time. But you’re just funnin’.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasn’t producing in the NHL???

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Finns are no good in the NHL. It’s the logical deduction.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

also, Babcock hated him.

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by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And they got someone nice in return—-Bartulis? OKT? Can’t remember.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

OKT, who I believe was subsequently waived and demoted to Grand Rapids.

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by Wheeler on Mar 5, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

immediately demoted, because they needed to clear room from Franzen and Lilja to return. Leino was half salary/roster dump, and half “Babcock hates you and you suck, so we don’t want you”

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by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Btw, Corvo looked absolutely lost last night. I’m sure that’ll change with practice, but I swear every time I saw him, he looked like he was saying “this way? that way? what the hell am I supposed to be doing?!?”

by katzistan on Mar 5, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

He had moments on the PK where he looked like that. I also thought he looked great at other times. It’s clear that he’s a damn good skater who can usually cover his own (or someone else’s) you know what when mistakes are made.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s clear that he’s a damn good skater who can usually cover his own (or someone else’s) you know what when mistakes are made.

Handedness be damned — I think Green-Corvo and Schultz-Poti should be the top two pairings.

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t you rather spread the offense around a little by splitting up Corvo and Green?

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

52-55 and 77-3 makes much sense

by Gr8Laichs on Mar 5, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The issue is being paired with Green brings out the worst in Schultz. Schultz doesn’t have the skating ability to keep things under control if Green is away from the play.

by sydtron on Mar 5, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. “spread the offense” is a perfectly logical rationale, but I’m not going by logic, I’m going by instinct and observation. Schultz-Poti has been a very solid pairing. Schultz-Green has been disappointing, and Poti-Green is worse. That leaves Green-Corvo as something to try.

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It could potentially work. I see Corvo as more of a bomber while Green is the rushing guy. Knowing Bruce, we’ll see it sooner or later.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I also like the idea of ThugPairing. I have to imagine they’ll lead the league in tattoos.

(Off the point of the pairings, I get the sense that Corvo may be able to teach Green a few off-ice lessons so Green doesn’t have to learn them the hard way. I get the sense Corvo has come a long way in his career. Could be a good roommate for Green.)

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They also lead in bad haircut per d-pairing.

Out of curiosity, besides the conditioning thing, has Green had any off-ice issues? I don’t remember hearing about anything, but I might not have been paying attention.

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by Wheeler on Mar 5, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice. If Corvo can get Green to settle down off the ice, that would be a huge plus.

And, based on the photo, Corvo looks like he knows how to lay off the second helpings at the buffet line.

Another potential plus.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Interestingly, Boudreau was Corvo’s coach in November 2002 when the restaurant incident/arrest happened. So if Bruce wanted the guy, I’m sure it’s because he knows Corvo has grown up since then (he was 25).

I would be very interested to find out who rooms with whom during the next road trip.

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

JP could probably find that out. Mine his inside connections, etc.

He might not publish it on the blog, but I bet he’d email it to you under condition of non-disclosure.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont necessarily see the disappointment in Green/Schultz. The team has been pretty successful with them paired and they are not scored on much.

by Gr8Laichs on Mar 5, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, the Wings put Lidstrom and Rafalski together, and it works pretty well.

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by red army line on Mar 6, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that he looked off early in the game, but he came around. I thought he made pretty good decisions when it came to who to cover down low. He stuck with one of the Lightning forwards up into the high slot in one instance and disrupted a potential scoring chance when the puck made it’s way into that usually softly covered area.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

There were a few times I can recall when he was at the point in the offensive zone and other Caps were darting all around him – it seemed like he didn’t know when to jump or where to be. But there were more times where he made a nice outlet pass or unleashed a credible shot from the point that got me pretty excited.

by grapejoos on Mar 5, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree that he looked lost. There were times when he was in doubt about where he should position himself, but overall I was very pleasantly surprised. He’s clearly a bit of a risk-taker, but if he understands that with Green on the team he can reign in that aspect of his game, he may actually become a better defenseman.

by b.orr4 on Mar 5, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s also possible that he may see GreenLife52 doing his free-lance thing and think “hey I can do that, too”. Will be interesting to see how BB/Woodsy decide to utilize him.

by cuqui on Mar 5, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing is, he can do that pretty well, and better him than Shaone Morrisonn.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

No question. He’s had some highlight reel goals to be sure.

by cuqui on Mar 5, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the roundtable discussions, great stuff.

My question is – why is everyone relegating Erskine to the bench so quickly? Jurcina is hurt and we don’t know when he’s coming back. Corvo replaces Pothier’s spot. Erskine is competing with Carlson and Sloan right now, correct?

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

And Mo, presumably.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually thought Mo had quite a good game last night (although I may have just been seeing things in my giddiness at being back at VC) – looked like a man who, oddly enough, knew his job depended on it.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Made a supremely good play against Vinny one-on-one.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If we’re assuming Carlson sticks then he’s competing with Mo. So I guess Carlson’s “emergence” is what has forced Erskine out of the lineup rather than the deadline additions. By the way, the Behind the Net stats say John Carlson has been awesome.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He’ll be great once he gets used to the NHL game speed as it relates to defensemen stepping up near the red line.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

To protect his eligibility for rookie of the year next season, he can’t play more than 16 out the Caps remaining 18 games. So he should sit out a least a couple of games.

by b.orr4 on Mar 5, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t worry about ROY unless you’re polishing it for Nazem Kadri.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The Caps will lose a year of Carlson under entry contract after one more game, correct? He’s played in nine.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

or Tyler Seguin of the Bruins

by Reckless on Mar 5, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m waiting for him to be christened “Begin the Seguin”

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You think he’ll be ready for the NHL next year? I’ve been following his career because I want to see him do well, but a year in the A seems better for him long-term, purely for confidence and size issues. I guess it depends on if the Leafs can afford to wait?

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by HolyJumpin on Mar 5, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He has some flaws (junior moves, size) that he needs to address but it wouldn’t shock me to see him make the team. The style of game he plays he’ll need to hit at least 200 to be effective I think and he tries too many cutesy plays.

A year in the AHL would be great and the Leafs can definitely afford to wait. I would actually think they could follow the same route they did with Bozak, Stalberg, and Hanson which saw them play almost an entire year in the AHL to get used to the pro game.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So John Carlson still gets the RoY?

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

On a team that can’t play defence? :)

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

But he’ll get like 60 points. Calder is about numbers, baby.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder what, if anything, Carlson’s emergence (I totally fucking called it 6 months ago!) is doing to Alzner? Is it pushing him or discouraging him?

by DrinkingPartner on Mar 5, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well…first it made him sad, then happy, then sad again, then happy, then sad…

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea, but I’m clearly in the “Alzner is mentally strong” camp. I think he can handle it. If anything I think it makes him bust his ass harder in the off-season. Alzner just needs to get stronger so he can battle with NHL players. He doesn’t have Carlson’s size of physical maturity so he’ll need this off-season to get ready physically. Once he gets to camp he just needs to relax and play his game and I think he’ll be fine. I hope both of those guys are given solid roster spots to start next season so a) we can see what we have with them and b) we can bank some cap space for the deadline. But let’s go win a Cup first…

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Did anybody catch his joke on Caps Red Line a couple weeks ago about not knowing his way around DC but being an expert on the route from Hershey to DC?

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by Sombrero Guy on Mar 5, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it a case where their roles (52:55 : : 74:27) are different enough to minimize friction? Alzner’s job, thanks God, is not to out-American the Hero.

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by redlineblue on Mar 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No one who wears the other three numbers could out American John of anything.

by DrinkingPartner on Mar 5, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Especially since Karl is Canadian :-)

by b.orr4 on Mar 5, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean a team that can kill penalties. We’re a pretty good 5 v. 5 team.

by JSchon on Mar 5, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the answer. In his NHL debut he seemed perfectly capable, but I’m hoping for more, so I’d like to see him in the A. Good to hear Toronto can give him the time.

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by HolyJumpin on Mar 5, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Erksine is finally going to get to play the role on the team that he is most suited to play. 7th defenseman, playing rough minutes against rough teams when we need some extra muscle, but not playing much otherwise.

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 5, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rectangular.

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It means he “rec’d” your comment.

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by Cluster on Mar 5, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

My question is – why is everyone relegating Erskine to the bench so quickly? Jurcina is hurt and we don’t know when he’s coming back. Corvo replaces Pothier’s spot. Erskine is competing with Carlson and Sloan right now, correct?

Can’t speak for anyone else, but I was looking at it from a “if everyone’s healthy” point of view.

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Carlson: I can do anything you can do better; I can do anything better than you!
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Yes I can.
No you can’t.
Yes I caaaannnnnnnn!
 
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Carlson is Ethel Merman?

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 5, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Bruce Boudreau: Yes he can, John.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I was looking at it from a “Erskine’s not very good” point of view. Against slow, grinding teams with little dynamism to their attack, he can be a reasonable option for a bottom-pairing shift. But against a fast attack, he just can’t keep up well enough not to be a liability.

I like him as an insurance policy. I like him in a few, select matchups.

But I don’t like him as an every day sort of guy.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He was effective against NYR. Who, not coincidentally, feature the most ham-n-egg attack of all the playoff teams.

He was lost against the Pens.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The depth strength that the new guys bring can not be overemphasized. If The Pens do win their diivision and set up an Eastern Conference Final between them and the Caps, sooner or later the fatigue from a third consecutive deep playoff run will start to wear on Pittsburgh, particularly older guys like Gonchar and Guerin and Olympic guys like Crosby and Orpik. With the Caps ability to interchange fresh bodies on the third and fourth lines and on defense, you have to believe that all that pounding and energy those lines can bring eventually could mean the difference in a third round matchup.

by b.orr4 on Mar 5, 2010 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

I question the effect of this “fatigue” on a young team overall like Pittsburgh. They do have their vets, but their core, aside from Gonchar, is pretty young and I’d think they’d be able to handle it.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonchar is a huge part of making that team work, as anyone who’s paid attention the last two years knows. He also looks muuuuuuuuch slower this year. He and Pronger hit that old man wall this year, IMO. I think Gonchar’s drop is going to be a big factor. I also think Shero knows it and that’s why he won’t commit to him. I hope Gooch can extract a rich contract from PIT…

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He’s slower and as a result has stooped to playing dirtier. Never seen him hit from behind or throw cheapshots as much as he seems to be this year, it’s a bit unsettling.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And wasn’t there some incident where Gonchar’s knee was hurt or something?

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, well…it’s a well-known fact that Ovie’s as dirty as they come. And he doesn’t pass or backcheck.

Maybe he transferred some of his evil powers to Gonchar when their knees collided. That must be it – he’s certainly got enough to go around.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

More like Golf Lyers.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hooks Orpik told me he hasn’t been the same since. But I think he was just trying to rile me up.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

So just tell him “good”

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by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha. That’s better than whatever I did say.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I read the Gooch contract talks are stalled over length, not price.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Both are 35 years old so it makes some sense. For whatever reason a lot of people assume that NHL defensemen are going to keep playing at elite levels through their late thirties, even though every other athlete at every position in sports starts to decline in their mid 30’s.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Curlers included?

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Lidstrom set a tough precendent to follow and defense in hockey is so much about smarts and positioning, things that wouldn’t be hurt too much by age.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

And Nieds for that matter…

by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 5, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

conversely, such fatigue might also affect the Caps olympians. OV and Semin don’t look anywhere near their dominant selves. They need a few days of r&r.
you make a solid point, though. Look at Detroit this season. A few years of playoff runs, a few deep, and the injuries start coming and the bruises get deeper…
Truth be told, I don’t wanna see the pens in the post. Let someone else help pave the road. The finals will bs tough enough vs either SJ or Chicago, maybe Van. If Van, it means Luongos on fire and that’s something I’d rather not see.

by The Jade Donkey on Mar 5, 2010 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They had a fair amount of R&R after Russia got eliminated. They need to skate and get back into synch with their linemates.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Crying and drowning oneself in vodka is not restful or relaxing.
That was funny. I made myself snort.

by The Jade Donkey on Mar 5, 2010 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And I’d rather it not be a california team. The Caps have had horrible games in Cali this year, and AO in particular ineffective. I have no idea why, but most of the eggs he’s laid this year have been on the West Coast.

And a return to VAN in a Finals would either be Redemption or the seventh circle of hell.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that trip out west is brutal, first class or not. Suddenly, you’re playing at 10pm and finishing at almost 1am. I don’t think that’s always the case, but it doesn’t help.
I see SJ going deep this year. Chicago too. Unless either play Anaheim. Then, all bets are off.

by The Jade Donkey on Mar 5, 2010 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’d think SJ falls to Detroit or Nashville, because of their failure + those teams’ solid lineups + travel is brutal.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Kings, baby! Just keep OV away from the Russian vodka bars in Hollywood.

by Ginga on Mar 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

AO for healthy scratch!

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Stealthy Scratch or Wealthy Rash.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure the Olympics are a factor here. The Pens had just as many guys playing in the Olympics as the Caps did (if not more) and they played deeper into the tournament, too. The Alexes are definitely showing rust but I don’t think it’s going to affect them for long.

I don’t want to see the Pens in the playoffs either, but odds are we will as long as the Caps take care of business. As for the Finals, they could play the 84 Oilers for all I care – I just want them to make it there first.

by grapejoos on Mar 5, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

But you can’t deny Ovie and Backstrom have looked like crap for the past two games. Relative to their normal selves.

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by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Backstrom looked fine last night, you just didn’t notice because guys weren’t finishing off his passes.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That didn’t help his stat sheet but he also turned the puck over and was generally un-Backstromlike.

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by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You must be talking about Niklas Backstrom.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Indeed. The one with the c for cup FULL OF BALLS had a great game.

by DrinkingPartner on Mar 5, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The C is for Capital—-izing on not being the shitty of the two NHL Backstroms.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

AO wasn’t lighting it on fire prior to the Oly break, either.

Which is just fine with me. Because he won’t be dormant for long, but if he’s going to go through a cool stretch, now is the time.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovie’s looked a bit tired but Nik has been great. Not quite sure what you saw last night that led you to see otherwise.

by b.orr4 on Mar 5, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He took another bad penalty and he didn’t look as crisp with his passing. He didn’t register a SOG either and Ovie only had 3. That duo has just looked a little snakebit and a little out of sync the past two games, in my eyes. Also victims of their own awesomeness.

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by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually would agree, at least early on in the game – massively insanely awesome PK effort aside, I thought he looked a step off. Now whether or not that was a product of his linemate(s) being a step off is another question.

He definitely looked the best of the Olympians, though.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Semin had his moments.

Which means he was back to his normal self.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Semin has looked like crap the past 2 games (relative to how he normally does). Ovie I think has been a little off, but he’s also had a few good shots that were saved, several that were blocked, and many bouncing pucks with scoring chances. Backstrom has looked fine to me. I’m not worried about any of them though.

by grapejoos on Mar 5, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

When this team goes through a stinky period at 2-1-2. Wow.

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by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Walker certainly endeared himself to Caps faithful last night….But it pains me not to see Brads in a sweater…or drenching the ice with his blood

by Gr8Laichs on Mar 5, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t think I’ve seen this mentioned yet, but the healthy competition for playing time might also benefit the Caps ability to stay motivated down the stretch.

Last year, we saw quite a bit of coasting after their playoff fate was sealed. I think both the win streak, and now roster competition, will help the Caps avoid a similar attitude this year.

by Stormblue on Mar 5, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

FWIW, they’re trying to stave off CHI and SJS. Maybe extra motivation there.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d agree with this. This year, the Eastern Conference is theirs but not sewn up, but the President’s Trophy is within reach. They’ve got more to play for this year and against tougher opponents down the stretch.

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by gotsparkly on Mar 5, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Lock box.

/SNL’d

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Strategery.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well played.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

all in for mcphee

I told a friend McPhee went all in, because for him that’s what it was. It’s kind of a crap metaphor, because it’s apples and oranges, but my meaning was that gmgm was basically saying “I think we can wit all this year if I patch a few cracks.” Usually, the guy says “I fold”. I’m glad he took care of D instead of the crease. I like the additional grit. I still think having flash and fehr on one line ends up with a little too much softness on the wings, but that’s likely to change too. The soft lines get terrorized and neutralized in the playoffs.
They didn’t add a Blake type dman, but really, where the hell where they gonna get one?
I’m getting a little concerned for Alzner. He and juice actually played ok together, but he was often on his own out there when riding with Erskine. Seems like he hasn’t gotten a good enough pairing to excel. Know what? He seems to excel with Carlson in Hershey so maybe that’s a pairing we need to see more of.
In closing, this was about as much of an all in that you’re gonna see from McPhee, but it’s the message I’ve been waiting to hear from him. He believes, and he’s a tough sell (& an even tougher buy).

by The Jade Donkey on Mar 5, 2010 2:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

but my meaning was that gmgm was basically saying "I think we can wit all this year if I patch a few cracks." Usually, the guy says "I fold".

I don’t think that’s true. Post lockout the Capitals have been in the position where they’d like to be buyers three times. Last year they couldn’t afford to add anyone. In 2008 they added Huet, Fedorov, and Cooke.

by David M. Getz on Mar 5, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Two years ago was an exception; Huet fell into his lap and he’d have been dumb not to grab him; Fedorov was there to mentor the young Russians and learn em something; Cooke helped get rid of Pettinger. I think that was all about getting the boys into the playoffs for the experience. This year was his projection for competing for a cup. I don’t think he had enough faith last year, and that’s why he didn’t pony up. But you’re allowed to disagree with me, once in a while, just don’t make it a habit. : ) I kid.

by The Jade Donkey on Mar 5, 2010 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And the years before that, he was selling (the rebuild, Witt, etc.). I don’t think GMGM has a deserved reputation as one who sits out trade deadlines.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to clarify, you’re not saying that GM has a reputation as a guy that sits out trade deadlines, right?

You’re saying he neither has nor deserves that rep. I think.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I’m saying. If he has that rep (and I don’t believe he does, but I’m not attuned to every circle that discusses such things), it’s not deserved.

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by J.P. on Mar 5, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Myself, I think of GMGM as a guy that focuses (sp? I can never remember how that one’s supposed to look) on winning. Period. Winning now, and winning later.

It’s my favorite thing about the guy.

I def. don’t think he’s too conservative. But I don’t think he’s profligate, either.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

if I were a team owner and could have any GM I wanted, McPhee is certainly on my short list.

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by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He has the advantage of playing for an owner that doesn’t have to worry about money, which helps. He has a long leash, so he can play for the long term without worrying about his job. That helps more.

His draft strategy has raised my eyebrows a couple of times. He has doled out a couple of contract extensions that are complete headscratchers. So he’s not perfect.

But he has had a plan, stuck to it unwaveringly, and executed it consistently, and the plan is about winning. That’s outstanding.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

not perfect, but better than 80-90% of the other GMs out there, imo. not that being better than Sather and Waddell and the rest is really all that hard.

Polie, of course, is the guy you want when you’re operating on a shoestring budget. He’s on my list, too.

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by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we don’t have a shoestring budget, and Poile wouldn’t have a clue how to handle a team with so much offensive talent so he’s off. (Joke, sorta)

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

But not really.

I’d hire Poile to “consult” on the drafts, though. I really like his personnel evaluation. But he’s not the guy I’d want to run this particular show.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Poile is ambitious

tries to make a team that’ll win games 0 to -1.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha. The other team has to score an Own Goal.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Polie wouldn’t be a good fit in DC. But my theoretical exercise is more along the lines of “if the NHL hands you an expansion team tomorrow, who’s on your GM short list?” If I have a limited budget, Polie. Got lots of money? McPhee or Shero (if I don’t want wingers, of course). Burke if I feel like making every night Fight Night On Ice.

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by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Brett Hull if you’re somehow making money on failure.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy in Detroit (can’t remember his name but I can picture his face).

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Ford?

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Holland?

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Holland.

I’m curious to see if he can pull Detriot out of this little disaster. As far as I know, they don’t have a bunch of young talent waiting around, the system is so bare they had to use Nylander as their center in Grand Rapids. Ouch.

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by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

They’ve got 16+ million in cap space next year (although only 12 bodies under NHL contract) so they’ve got the potential to get right back into it. The way they pick up guys out of nowhere to become good contributors, I don’t fear for them too greatly.

I really like the way they decided they were going to bite the bullet this year and maybe be mediocre, in the hope of not wrecking themselves long term.

Good management.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They’d be solidly in a playoff position if they had Franzen healthy all season. They lost a lot of goals when Hossa and Hudler left. Understandable for them to struggle when the guy they expected to lead the team in goals goes down to injury in the first game.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That Lamoriello guy isn’t bad either.

by grapejoos on Mar 5, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, its a bit of a conundrum, to sketch up McPhee at the deadline. Sure, there’s the fire sale, which means he wasn’t a buyer. Looking at the times he did buy, did he buy anyone that really made a difference? 98, when they ran for the cup, he picked up some aging vets and it worked out. Other years, he picked up guys like Sergei Berezin, who was a non factor before, during and after that pick up. Other than 98, two years ago was the only time he picked up quality for the stretch run. Of that pick up, Fedorov made sense for the young team, and the russians; Huet was a gift; Cooke allowed him to get red of Petty, who has faded away (always thought the Caps were giving him too long a chance).
I guess ultimately, I think he looks at his hand, looks at the flop, looks at his chips, and says "i fold’, meaning he has no intention of paying out picks and prospects unless he really thinks his team can make a serious go of it. I didn’t get he impression that he thought so last year. Does he sit out trade deadlines? Well, he doesn’t partake in stupidity. But he also doesn’t have a history of pulling off exemplary deadline deals (Bellows was fortuitous, but not exemplary at the time). he is a master of turning nothing into something (he poached Philly for Oates) and frankly I dont know what these other GM’s are thinking. But as for deadline, he doesn’t want to overpay, good, but he also doesn’t like to give anything up. Sometimes, you gotta give to get. Unless of course you keep doing what he does.
We will see just how well he did come April and (hopefully) May.

by The Jade Donkey on Mar 5, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope I can say this without sounding like a dick, because I’m not meaning to.

I don’t see much difference between the actions this year and the ones the 2 other years you mention. In all cases, the man was trying to upgrade the club. It just so happens that this year the club has a much higher reasonable ceiling than the other years.

As has been noted before, going “all in” would have been scrapping the future in a full “win now” mentality. The Caps certainlly had the cap room to go all in in that sense. The fact that they did not unload any of the untouchables for Vokoun makes me see this as a garden-variety deadline upgrade gambit.

For the record, getting Feds for Teddy Ruth and Huet for a second were very shrewd moves. So I’m hopeful for these moves…

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

this years moves are very reminiscent of two years ago. gave up only one roster player (pots this year, pettinger two years ago), one prospect (oskar vs ruth) and picks (second/sixth this year, second two years ago). in return he got guys who will not be a salary cap burden next year as all guys are UFA’s at years end. i just dont think you will ever see GMGM go “all in” by trading significant NHL roster players or picking up someone else’s bad contract.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing we can be thankful for is his business savvy. Some of those contracts out there are terribel. I’m glad has the sense to stay away from the Philly idea of business.
That said, he has gotten bitten. jagr. nylander.
regardless, I think he’s a good GM. He turned the drafting around a few years ago, notably after changing the scouting dept. He won’t be great until the Caps do some damage in the playoffs. Since 98, they’ve been past the 1st round once. I was never much of a Kozlov fan, and its roster moves like that that always left me rubbing my head. (Poti still makes me cringe sometimes; he’s a #4 guy).
Its starting to sound like I’m poopin on him. I’m not. I don’t think…

by The Jade Donkey on Mar 5, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Depth

Great post. I’m reminded a lot of what Shero did last year. BTW, I saw Juice last night walking up 6th street about twenty minutes before faceoff. “Juuuice! We’re happy to have you back.” Nice guy.

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by turnituptoeleven on Mar 5, 2010 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Not the kind of depth we needed

I’m not nearly as high on the moves as most everyone else, it seems. Depth sounds good, but all we really did with the forwards was add another 4L winger and 2.5L C.

As for Belanger, he does not address the need for a 2L center. He’s a ‘tweener, just like BMo and Laich. Hell, I still think Flash is the best 2C on the team, which isn’t saying much given his FO skills and lack of consistency. So that hole was not fixed.

As for Walker, sure more grit sounds nice. But he doesn’t add much beyond Bradley/Laing, and it’s possible that their benchings might lead to strife.

Yes, the team added depth at forward, but it was middling depth that didn’t address the hole at 2C. It reminds me of the depth the team has had all year at 3d-pair defensemen. The depth sounds nice, but in reality, it’s just alternating a bunch of scrubs.

by Ginga on Mar 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Walker may not add much on Bradley, but he’s a huge upgrade over Q. Huge. He’s also meaner than Bradley, if that’s your thing.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I suppose he is. But 4L was not a hole I saw much of a need to fix. Unlike, say, in goal.

by Ginga on Mar 5, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The only clear upgrade there was Vokoun. Too expensive.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. And right now we have too many guys, but someone will get hurt and then we’ll be glad that we don’t have Jay Beagle sitting on the bench.

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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Georgia Tech’s team name is the Ramblin’ Recs.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

4L wasn’t a problem once we added a 2C or 3C. Adding Walker gives us additional depth at all 3 forward positions.

At this point, if one forward goes down, we have an NHL caliber forward we can move up in to their position. It makes sense from that point of view.

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by Wheeler on Mar 5, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The basic idea is that it shores up the positions we already have and gives us more options, both down the stretch and into the postseason. One of the biggest issues this team had in the playoffs was running out of gas; the other was the coasting into the postseason, which can be prevented by creating competition internally.

Plus I think GMGM did very well considering it was an extremely shallow pool of available bodies. Look down the list of people traded yesterday and try to find the names of those people who would be a great 2C on this team, or a great top 4 D on this team – there isn’t anyone.

And there was no upgrade available in net. The only goalies who moved yesterday were Toskala and McElhinny. I’ll pass.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

“Depth will be our friend in rounds 3 and 4.”

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by macvechkin on Mar 5, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

the other was the coasting into the postseason, which can be prevented by creating competition internally.

Ooooooooh. Lookin’ at it from a whole ’nother angle.

Seriously, that’s a fantastic point.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Competiton? What Competition?
During last night in Washington’s 5-4 win over Tampa, the healthy scratches were forwards Matt Bradley, David Steckel, and Quintin Laing and defensemen John Erskine and Tyler Sloan. Not coincidentally, all five were among the last to leave the ice Friday.


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by UnleashFurry on Mar 5, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I was due ;)

But seriously, I’m really just building on something Pepper alluded to in his final argument of the roundtable – how fun it would be to watch the roster battles. From my perspective, that keeps the drive going into the playoffs and makes it so no one dares take a shift off. Hopefully. I’d love to see it.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s looking through the telescope the other way ’round. Yowza.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The basic idea is that it shores up the positions we already have

But only on the 3d and fourth lines. And we already had plenty of 3-4 centers (Steckel, Gordon, Laich, even BMo). The hole at 2C was not addressed. I agree that there wasn’t much out there to address it, but just adding a bunch of third and fourth liners doesn’t improve the hole that was on the team leading into the deadline. Again, the comparison to the depth the team has at bottom-two defensemen is appropriate.

by Ginga on Mar 5, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m probably alone here – and I’m not including his performance last night – but I think B-Mo is fine at 2C. He’s not scoring goals but he’s been picking up assists lately and I actually really like him with Laich in general. I think they work well together. And barring that, if we can teach Flash how to take a faceoff maybe he’s an option. And if not, Belanger can fill that role.

And if nothing else, the “scrubs” we’re using to fill the holes at the bottom of the lineup are still infinitely better than the guys used there previously. Walker > Laing, Sloan, Bourque, Giroux. He adds grit, speed and veteran experience (and the occasional goal). Belanger didn’t look great last night but I’d imagine coming from the Wild to here is a shock, it’s a completely different system.

Also, Corvo? Not a scrub. Potential top 4 D, pushes the other guys down to their rightful places.

by Becca H on Mar 5, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I like the Corvo deal. No complaint there.

by Ginga on Mar 5, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pleased, except I’m getting Corvo and Corsi confused.

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by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll disagree with you here.

Stecks is a 4C, and is the most miscast of all the players when asked to play 3C. Second is Flash at 2C. Belanger shifts Stecks back to where he’s most effective and gets Flash back to wing, where he belongs.

I agree that neither BMo nor Belanger is the perfect 2C. But I think the team is a lot better now than they were before the deadline, so I’ll take it.

I also think Corvo is a legit top-4 guy. Again, it’s not perfect, because with Poti, Corvo and Schultz they have 3 guys that are 3.5 on a really good depth chart. But it’s better than it was.

And given what was out there, I’ll call this deadline a win, at least on paper.

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by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreeing with you on both.

Steckel had his chance at 3C and couldn’t make it stick. He’s still one of the best 4Cs in the league though, so it’s not a loss that they couldn’t fit him in on the 3rd line. He’s still a go to guy for the playoffs against the premiere centers in the east and he can help run one very stifling penalty kill.

As far as 2C, I just hope someone can teach Flash how to play defense and for him to practice with the rest of the centers on the dot. If or when he makes the transition, the Caps would end up with a 2nd line that is damn near as deadly as their 1st.

by sydtron on Mar 5, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You say that as if it’s a bad thing.

by Cluster on Mar 5, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Way meaner. And I think it has to count for something. The “difficult-to-play-against” quotient just got quite a bit higher, which is a plus when it comes to a playoff series.

Corvo adds in this area, too.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve said for a while that it’s cool that we have guys that will play in the tough areas, but I want guys that make tough areas.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t count on it. Corvo had 18 PIMs in 81 games last year.

On the other hand, he has 18 goddamn PIMs in 81 games last year! That’s unreal for a 25-minute a night defenseman. Jeff Schultz tends to be regarded as the best d-man at avoiding penalties on the Caps — he had 24 PIMs in 64 games last year.

How the hell does Corvo keep looking better the harder you look at his stats?

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He’s going to really benefit from the Caps’ Grade A PR team. He clearly has had the wrong publicist all along. Alan Walsh would never have let him become so underrated.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoever said it here had it exactly right: McPhee is going to forget more about hockey than we’ll ever learn. Deal just looks better and better and better.

by sydtron on Mar 5, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The 2nd line center issue has been marginal. They still lead the league in goals of every catagory except 2nd period. What they need is more defensive responsibility. Belanger offers that. (I didnt say gives it).

by The Jade Donkey on Mar 5, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

GMGM Conference Call

anyone else going to dial into the conference call w/ GMGM at 4pm? i think i will join in and would be happy to try and get anyone’s question answered, if they will put me through. I was on one of these w/ BMo and Knoobs a while back. they screen your questions. mine was actually hockey related so i didnt get put through. only folks from minnesota asking the guys whether her son should play goalie or wing got through. lame.

thinking i’ll ask GMGM if after the trade deadline he sits down with a snifter of brandy and reads through all the rumors and “its going down” trade reports and has a healthy laugh.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Ask him how important it was to get players that he or Bruce were familiar with, and if that took precedence over getting guys that might have been statistically better.

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

excellent. i’ll see if that one gets through. just in case, i’ll tell the call screener my question is how i can become a great NHL GM one day.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, tell Steve Kolbe I said hi.

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

that question is in the queue…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

asked the question…he said it was very reassuring…big part of it.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Great insight.

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask if he calls up Shero at 3 in the morning and offers to trade Backstrom for Staal, before shouting “PSYCH” and hanging up the phone.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

McPhee has Shero fax the paperwork to Ted’s office and then secretly videotapes the heart attack that follows.

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting, he said that if jurcina doesnt play for the caps this year, we dont owe columbus a draft pick. didnt know it was conditional…

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask him whether or not he can confirm that the Juice is, in fact, loose.

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I heard about that (though not with details) from Howson on NHL Home Ice yesterday.

I wonder if the idea is to let Juice sit.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he mentioned it was no risk but he did like juice and poti as a shutdown pair. also, juice contract is covered by insurance since it was in the olympics.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

A “shutdown” pair? Bwahahaha!

by Kolzilla on Mar 5, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t make me defend Potijuice.

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

just repeating what he said. i think its all relative.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

They were pretty solid in last year’s playoffs. Let’s just say, they ain’t the reason we lost.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Mar 5, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

To let him sit until he’s healthy, and then evaluate him for a potential return for the playoffs, i would have to think. He’s at least a better option than Erskine and Sloan, i.e., more and better depth.

And I like him better than ShaMo, so if he’s able to practice a bit, I could see him getting a regular sweater.

Damn, that is a great deal.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Great deal. Fuck that hater in my section yesterday.

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by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

was he wearing a number 4 caps jersey?

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha.

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll give you potentially nothing for something that potentially helps us. How’s that?

Great, I’ll fax you the paperwork.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

oh and thanks for taking that big salary off our hands to boot….

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Damned good point. I hope McPhee at least took that poor SOB to dinner first.

Mind boggling.

It’s either Clark for Chimera straight up. Or it’s Clark plus a 6th for Chimera and a playoff infusion of depth.

Awesome.

"You want to start being part of the Rink? Fine, but more’s expected of you than John/Jane Cap Fan. Carry the cause of informed discussion to the unwashed masses and don’t crap in the yards of other SBN sites if you decide to go over there. They’re passionate about their teams too, no need to troll elsewhere and/or be a sore winner." --BP

by fat_daddyo on Mar 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That deal was highway robbery. GMGM was drugging people that day.

by Davethecapsfan on Mar 5, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like GMGM had asit down w/Brads today after last nights game. didnt mention who by name, but did say that one of the players who sat last night had a talking to. gotta believe it was brads based upon his comments yesterday. said the players responded that he is all about the team and winning and would never be a problem even if he’s sitting out.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Or Sloan’s getting a little too big for his britches!

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you’re joking, but Sloan (and Laing) are probably perfectly content to draw a big NHL paycheck and not have to ride the bus anymore.

Kung-fu Rink Rabbit
The Blood Cult of Matt Bradley. Tune in Wednesday when Japers Rink offers their first burnt offering to Matt Bradley to give him an endless supply of the blood for his strident ways.

by RedBirdie on Mar 5, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. They’re limousine riding, jet-flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin’ n’ dealin’ sons of a gun!

My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.

by jordanDC on Mar 5, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I still want to know if it was Erskine or Poti that thought they didn’t stink in the first game against PHI this year.

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.

by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 5, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Watched the locker room interviews after the game last night…so impressed with Mike Knuble. The guy is just the pro’s pro. I hope he speaks up more in the locker room to let the guys know that there are no more easy games…we might feel comfortable and let up where we’re at, but none of these teams we’re playing can afford to.

by Davethecapsfan on Mar 5, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

Spot on. IMO Walker Red will bring the same. Hungry vets aware that the Cup is not preordained and the opportunity of a lifetime.

by cuqui on Mar 5, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Gramps didn’t just come to crash the net.

Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.

by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He came to bring the Gaga.

I have a C on my heart.

by boutros23 on Mar 5, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Great stuff JP, BH, et Davie Getz, always enjoy the roundtables.

My only question: How do I get quoted like D’ohBoy!?

My only concern is with the players having to sit out. It is certainly an awesome asset to have during the season, especially the playoffs; however, I think it may be a bit disenchanting when you have to chill in the press box all the time.
I don’t know how Q does it, I dont see Steckel being cool with it, and I cant imagine Bradley ever liking that

Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!

by kingzman264 on Mar 5, 2010 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe they can deliver the Chipotle burritos, or lead a scavenger hunt in the VC or something.

Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.

by EmilyB on Mar 5, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

hah, Scavenger hunt around VC, ending at chipolte!

I would go to every hunt if Bradley or Stecks led it

Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!

by kingzman264 on Mar 5, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot one of us, so that’s one way to not get quoted.

by Stephen Pepper on Mar 6, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

a little surprised at the anti-gordo talk Thought once he returned from injury I thought the PK improved more than marginally(though I’m sure numbers didn’t hugely improve). Idk maybe I just think hes an underrated grinder who plays D pretty well.

But I then have to think who to sit for Gordo. Can’t lose Stecks a whole lot with him being on the best in the FO%, and Bradley is another good grinder who is clutch and pretty chippy.

Would hate to be Gabby right now. He’s not so much trading in rock for scissors, or scissors for paper, but scissors with TNT vs rocks with jet packs.

"We have a Malkin and an Ovechkin, so it's hard not to talk about 'The Show,' but I agree with you, I like to think our team is here to do a job and play well and play in harmony and find that fine balance among ourselves and within our lineup."
-- Russia center Sergei Fedorov

by breaklance on Mar 5, 2010 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

I agree completely, I think Gordo is pretty underrated. . .numbahs arent everything

Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!

by kingzman264 on Mar 5, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the statement you are making with that avatar. I think I might bust out a custom “This is my avatar” logo.

Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.

by macvechkin on Mar 6, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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