The Washington Capitals at the Deadline: Roundup
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 4:09 PM EST
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An hour after the NHL's trade deadline and with the dust starting to settle, attention turns to trade evaluation and analysis. As many of you no doubt noticed, we've been tracking the Caps' dealings all day here at Japers' Rink. Of course, reacting to the trades individually and reacting to the day's dealings as a whole are two very different things. With that in mind, we thought we'd take a brief look at the big picture.
That said, here's a look at what assets the Capitals brought in, and which ones they moved out:
| In | Out |
| Eric Belanger Joe Corvo Milan Jurcina Scott Walker |
Oskar Osala Brian Pothier 2nd round pick (2010) 2nd round pick (TBD) 6th round pick (TBD) 7th round pick (2010) |
The "In" column is slightly underwhelming. Four useful NHL caliber players to be sure, and an effort to generally address some of the team's needs both in style of play and on the depth chart, but not the shiny bauble some fans undoubtedly wanted. The good news is on the "Out" side of the equation. Second round picks have some value, but with a solid farm system in place the Capitals don't need them as much as some other teams, and only one NHL roster player was moved (and one who was replaced, on paper at least, by a comparable yet better player).
Full analysis is going to take time, and realistically speaking seeing even a couple of games with the new guys is going to go a long way towards determining their value. Still, it's only natural that we, as fans, start the evaluation process right now.
And of course, don't forget to check out SBN's trade deadline hub for reaction to all the day's moves:
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any of the newest Caps play tonight?
If you want to survive out here, you've got to know where your towel is.
Doubt it. Most likely they’ll play tomorrow at home.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
I’d say Juice is the most likely, just in that he’s really not that far from BUF, but I doubt any of them play.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
juice is out for the reg season, bet on the entire season..i had a hernia, its a bitch to even walk after a few months..
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 3, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
My Friend In Carolina on the Corvo Deal
“All my Canes friends LOVE this Corvo deal, which means you’re right. Hope you like inexplicable turnovers!”
Your friend in Carolina is just bitter that his team sucks ass.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
by jordanDC on Mar 3, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Weak. Carolina’s doing fine and Hartford would be an awful NHL market.
by David M. Getz on Mar 4, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Will they love it after Potsy is bonked on the head and done for the season?
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 3, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
No it’s not. But it is reality.
I could have also said something about OO’s terrible skating ability.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 3, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I will be pissed if he starts as a Hurricane and, with playing time, quickly realizes his potential.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
ehh to the first part since the Canes suck, agree on the 2nd but don’t see it happening.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 3, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Right, the Canes suck, which is why I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility for him to get playing time.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
And therefore I won’t be pissed if I see him playing there immediately.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 3, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, gotcha. I didn’t mean that I’d be pissed if he started, just that if, by playing with their big boys, he exploded because of playing time.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I feel the same. But good for him if it does happen.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 3, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
well urhockey i hope you enjoy our burned out prospect
and injury/turnover prone dman. your team sucks. good day.
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
by Area 51 Forever on Mar 3, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
This response would be pretty rude to a visiting Canes fan. It’s a lot worse since urhockey is a Caps fan who’s been seen around these parts off an on for quite some time. (Note the reference to a friend in Carolina and the use of quotation marks to indicate that the thought is not his own)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
(and look at urhockey’s avatar…)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
And weren’t all the Columbus fans telling us to get ready for endless off-sides with Chimera? I haven’t seen it.
no he gave us “try and make a back hand move on the goalie when a point blank one timer is staring you in the face” instead :)
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 3, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Corvo has only 16 Giveaways this season to 17 takeaways. Unless they do fuzzy math in Carolina, I don’t see a problem. He easily has the best ratio among Caps defensemen.
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by Marshall Pirate on Mar 3, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe people are complaining...
A) we didn’t really need a big push of trades for the cup… I seem to recall winning quite a few games recently
B) these were all good moves individually, except maybe the corvo move
C) Bringing juice back means we traded clark and a 2nd round pick for chimera… that’s ridiculously awesome
Combined I feel like this was a great day… although you know, we could have gone for Ryan Miller…. ^^
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oh… 2nd rounder was for corvo?
confusing day, and i was in class for most of it :/
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Assuming we enter the postseason healthy (which is rarely the case, but bare with me), how do all the forwards fit in? Walker seems like one of the odd men out to me and then, as much as I hate to say it, so does Brads. Gordon is more important on the PK and Chimera gives us more size, speed, and grit. Nobody (even Lainger) gives me heart than Brads, though, so who knows how that would effect the locker room.
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Between Fehr, Bradley, Chimera and Flash somebody is going to have to sit when all are healthy. Can’t tell if that’s a good thing or not. Much as I love Brads, he has to be the odd man out of that group most night.
Flash will never sit. Fehr will only sit if he’s in the doghouse. I wouldn’t want them to sit Chimera because I love his speed and his penchant for physical play, but they might have to resort to that at some point.
I guess it’s a good problem to have.
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No. Walker will sit if need be. He’ll be happy to get out of suck-town.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Even if Walker sits, one of the above will have to as well. The Walker battle is between himself and Boyd Gordon.
Walker is an old dude, he’ll be likely to sit some during a busy schedule. I have to think that we will have enough minor injuries in general such that healthy scratches really won’t be common, and Boudreau likes to rest guys anyway.
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the caps did the right thing…they have stockpiled players of all ilk and will suit up the players that best match up with who they are playing…if we see the flyers, expect to see more walker and brads…its smart…if we can carry them on the roster and , as it is my understanding they do not have to be subjected to waivers after the trading deadline, then we rotate players and keep them healthy…depth is key to the grind of the playoffs…would still like to see Carlson to get ft duty for rest of season and Alzner too…The shuttle back and forth for 2 years seems to be wearing on him mentally.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 3, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's a GOOD thing.
This post included “which is rarely the case, but bare with me” for a reason…
Clearly we just built ourselves to be a LOT more injury proof.
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Yeah
No illness-injury Mike Green playing shutdown for 20 mins a night anymore, hopefully
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Mar 4, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Right – the only hesitation I had on the day’s trades was how the chemistry in the locker room will be effected by adding 4 players and removing just 1.
Belanger is certain to bump someone who has played regularly to the bench, but if the Caps play Walker, and it seems likely they would want to get him some games at some point, guys like Bradley or Fehr are going to have to sit.
I’d say the best possible. We’ve even added new-old chemistry. The new guys will take less time to adjust than it would had we lost more players, IMO.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone know what the locker-room reputations are of the new guys?
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Most hockey players don’t (a) beat up women in restaurants and (b) punch opponents with their arms down after the whistle.
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(b) punch opponents with their arms down after the whistle
And that’s the problem with the game today!
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by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sorry about Hamhuis, guys, apparently Poile had his head up his ass till 1:59.
How is everyone feeling about all the Caps acquisitions today?
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Good, though none of them are moving me toward jersey purchase.
My wallet approves.
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Thank God we didn’t get Oshie, right?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Oshie is basically just as good as Steve Downie.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
But with a higher ceiling, more rational behavior, and size.
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Glad you agree with me. That wasn’t my take on those two.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not really sure how to feel quite yet but overall McPhee seems to have upgraded the roster.
I was convinced we were getting Hamuis once we picked up Walker. I’m still thinking McPhee and Poile spent hours negotiating until the last minute and were unable to strike a deal.
I thought the same thing, and we still may hear that it happened. I think Washington definitely upgraded and y’all are really gonna like Belanger. Not sure why Walker was necessary.
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Not sure why Walker was necessary.
Realistically every team wants 14 NHL caliber forwards. He helps give the Caps that.
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
He also provides some snarl we’ve lacked.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think they’re legitimately worried about the wonkiness of Gordon’s back/Chimera’s groin/Fehr’s shoulders/Bradley’s face.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Bradley’s face is like Wolverine’s body, only bloodier.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much. Walker is that depth guy you hope isn’t necessary, but often becomes necessary n the playoffs when injuries hit. Last year that guy to fill in was Jay Beagle, this year it’s a guy with 850 NHL games.
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by Marshall Pirate on Mar 3, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love it. We have a top line player on the second line. Second line players on the third line. Third line players on the 4th line. And 4th line players in the press box. That’s some nice insurance.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m more than happy with forward situation overall.
Defense, however…
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We could be the Oilers :). As per their blogger,
Oilers defense tonight: Gilbert, Strudwick, Chorney, Peckham, Motin & Arsene. Kane might be going after Sittler’s record
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
In contrast, here’s Nashville’s defense across their organization:
Weber/Suter
Hamhuis/Klein
Grebeshkov/Boullion
Franson/Sulzer
Laakso/Dietrich
Ellis/Blum
Josi/Olivier-Roussel
Holy CRAP.
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And yet they chose not to parlay that into anything of value today, when teams were most desperate.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
I think Poile badly overplayed his hand(huis).
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by D'ohboy on Mar 3, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We did get value…just not want fans wanted.
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That was Poile’s MO in WSH, too. You should have seen some of the bluelines in the mid-eighties, early nineties. Scott Stevens (1st ballot HOF, one of the all-time greats), Larry Murphy, Rod Langway (another 1st ballot guy, I believe), bunch of other all-star level defenders and not much by way of offense.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Its not like we don’t have any skilled offensive players, we do. If Arnott, Dumont and Sullivan start producing regularly then I’m putting money on a playoff series win.
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Yeah, but your defense, both in the big club and organizationally, makes the offense pale in comparison. The WSH clubs weren’t totally bereft of offense, but they sure were defense first.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. The ratio of elite defense to offense prospects alarms me.
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If nothing else, he moves Steckel to line four.
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a good skater, and solid leader. He’s better on D than BM for sure, and I think he’d be better centering Laich and Semin.
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How good a skater is he?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s great. I saw him a lot when I lived in Atlanta.
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Awesome. that’s what the Laich-Semin line has been missing. someone who can keep up…
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
And he’s great at face offs. I’m not counting on a lot of goals from him, but with his wings he won’t really be counted on much.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Belanger-Chimera could have some real chemistry. Strike me as potentially similar players.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I love it. But neither of them are great at creating their own offense. I feel like they can be great compliments to talent, but aren’t making it happen. That’s why Flash might make that line dangerous.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with you about Flash to the third line. BMo is probably playing a tick above where his natural level should be, but Belanger looks like a hell of a good 3C, so I’ll take it.
I don’t like Flash at C, and the second line needs the size and physicality that Laich brings.
Chimera is a left wing. period, so if Flash is at 3W, you are looking at Chimera on the 4th line.
But what the heck, there’s 20 game to sort all this out.
At the end of the day I’m going to hop on board the Gouldie wagon, and say that the club got the best D to move at the deadline, and vastly improved the depth without gutting the future.
Win.
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no way...belanger almost decapitated chimera a while back
keptin kremlin will have to iron out their differences over a bottle of vodka first.
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by Area 51 Forever on Mar 3, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
More defensively responsible is the word I’m hearing on him.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Good defensively. Decent on the PK. Fast. Great faceoff guy.
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So If Belanger is on the 3rd with Chimera—imagine the speed. Yikes
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I’m mucho excited about the 3rd line possibilities. That line is going to bring the pain come playoff time.
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so does this mean BMo is on the 4th line now? still trying to sort this all out
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by RedskinFan4Life on Mar 3, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I was convinced we were getting Hamuis once we picked up Walker
That was pretty much my reaction. Very disappointed to get Corvo instead.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
And then I read Gouldie’s thread and felt shame.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. I was happy with it, but Gouldie made me downright pumped.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Far cry from how you felt when all you got was Jurcina on D, huh?
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Yeah. Corvo’s Ryder numbers last year were really, really good.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Far. I was pissed because we know Juice is not a top 4 guy. You can complain that Corvo isn’t a shutdown D, and he’s not, but he’s undoubtedly a top 4 guy. He can handle the minutes and be reliable. He’s very good offensively, and after Mike Green we don’t get much from the D at all. This is going to make our forwards so much more dangerous. He makes good outlets and gets pucks on net. Hamhuis would have been great, but for the price (Flash/Fehr for Hamhuis) I’ll take Corvo.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I feel great. Addressed what we needed to address and didn’t give up much from the future. How about you? Are you in better shape to win a playoff series?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the thing….I’m not sure. Dustin Boyd is an upgrade from Ryan Jones for sure, but thats about it. I don’t want to bump O’Reilly, Wilson, or Tootoo out of the lineup, so he looks to be a permascratch.
As for Grebeshkov, he looks good but now Cody Franson is getting reassigned which sucks. Franson’s incredible offensively. It could definitely work, and Poile is as sly as a fox, so I’ll wait and see.
In summary, we’re a better team today than yesterday. Not as much as I’d like, though. We made an offer for Ponikarovsky.
How do you feel about Corvo (considering he’s your Hamhuis equivalent this deadline) and Belanger?
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Yeah, you guys will be tough to score against. If you can get your PP clicking you will be dangerous. Probably a lot of games where the first team to 3 wins.
I’m excited about Corvo. He’s very good offensively, skates, and is very underrated defensively. He’s already played with BB so you know he’ll fit in with the system and the coach. It makes most sense to play him with Green but I’d rather share the wealth a little bit.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
George showed a ton of guts today. Yesterday, the people in Pittsburgh were probably sitting back smiling that they had written their ticket to the Finals again. Now, after seeing what the Caps did, they realize theye’ve got a fight on their hands. I’m loving it.
Agreed. But PIT is still the champ and they have some serious skill and you know they can do it. They won’t go down easily but I think yesterday was about playing catch up for them.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Take a deep breath...
…and remember that:
The Caps gave a sweater to Jay Beagle for four playoff games last year.
The Caps gave a sweater to Tyler Sloan for two playoff games last year.
The Caps gave a sweater to Michael Nylander for three playoff games last year.
The Caps gave a sweater to Donald Brashear for four playoff games last year.
The Caps gave a sweater to Chris Clark for eight playoff games last year.
The Caps gave a sweater to John Erskine for twelve playoff games last year.
The arrival of Corvo, Belanger, Walker and return of Jurcina mean that the Caps won’t be forced to rely on AHL call-ups or marginal NHL players to fill out their roster. This, in itself, is a big deal.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 3, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions 48 recs
The arrival of Corvo, Belanger, Walker and return of Jurcina mean that the Caps won’t be forced to rely on AHL call-ups or marginal NHL players to fill out their roster. This, in itself, is a big deal.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. What the team needed more than anything else was depth to ensure they wouldn’t have to play marginal NHLers and they wouldn’t have to play guys more minutes than they should be getting. They got that.
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
And one defenseman to push everyone down the pecking order. They got that too.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
IF Corvo is a legit Top 4 guy, and I haven’t read Gouldie’s post yet, but it’s next on my list, and IF Juice can play in the playoffs on the bottom pair, then the situation looks loads better.
I do like the moves made at F. A lot. Serious depth at forward now. Deeeeeep depth. And that’s the best kind of depth.
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Wow, very well said. When you put it that way, we’ve improved by a wide margin.
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From the P*ttsbugh Post Gazette regarding the Corvo trade
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/archive/2010/03/03/capitals-acquire-corvo-03-03-10.aspx
They basically call it a terrible trade for the Caps (lol), but this line caught my eye the most:
Osala is a prospect who projects as a first or second line winger as a power forward.
ahah hahaha .. ahhh hahahahhah
I don’t think so, unless he has a real epiphany on his skates. He was godawful slow and unquick in Hershey on Saturday.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
GMGM doesn’t let too many good prospects go, historically speaking. Even if Osala makes the NHL, I would be stunned if he turned into a 2nd line winger.
Lepisto hurts a bit.
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We hate Finns, for some reason. And, I do honestly believe that OO could still turn into a Knuble-clone. With skilled teammates, that’s a 1 or 2W, right there.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
We can always get him back at the draft.
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We have 5 or 6 drafts where we can
alwaysget him back at the draft.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see a first line job ever in his future. He could be a second liner in a career year or on a bad team, but the more I hear about his skating, the more he stinks.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Why should the Post-Gazette have an opinion on other teams? Thanks for telling us what you think we need. Worry about your own team, you shitty journalist.
his own team that doesn’t appear to have addressed the huge problem of have a shitacular power play….
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Im curious how does everyone see the lines and d pairings playing out now my guess
8-19-22
14-9-21
Beast-Belanger-Fehr
15/walker-39/10
52-corvo
55-3
4/sloan/23/26
no idea how far off that is but makes me woner
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I don’t see Green and Corvo playing together.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Agreed. I imagine ‘D’ as
Schultz-Green
Poti-Corvo
Mo-Juice
Erskine
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s the right pairing. I’d like to see that. But then, apparently me and Alan Ryder are the only ones who think he’s a solid defenseman.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, I don’t see Gabby having two righties on his first pair and two lefties on the second.
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
And I’d also like to spread the offensive wealth. But I don’t really like Schultz watching Green’s back, and I know I don’t like Poti watching Green’s back. So how do you arrange it? Those guys are the top 4, do you really split them and have one on the third pair?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Green/Corvo
Poti/Morrisonn
Schultz/Carlson?
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I’d doubt it. Schultz won’t play third pairing minutes and Carlson probably won’t play second pairing minutes.
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
What year are we talking about? Carlson is going to be in HER for the playoffs.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Beats me. I was just using the same personnel.
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
So are you guys going to ask Canes Country give us an inside look at the guys we just got from them?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
haha
Snark?
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here’s my stat dump, AKA why I think Corvo is the best defenseman who moved in the last couple days
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
How does Leopold measure up?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
In other words, he’s no Joe Corvo.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
What about Hamhuis? And where are you finding these? I just see the final report and it only gives you the top guys.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
47/14/33
You need to click on the Player Contribution Data, opens a whole Excel file that has everyone.
Got it, thanks.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
And damn, Corvo is blowing people away. This guy is seriously underrated.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Phliers went after him and lost! (Corvo)
HA! HA! HA!
Corvo and Green play a pretty similar style. Makes sense to split them up and pair them with stay-at-home types.
Err, where’s 28?
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I was about to say.
8-19-22 (duh)
21-9-28 (don’t wanna break up the Semin/Laich chemistry, at least not now)
14-Belanger-16
25-39-15
Bench: Brads, Walker
DC Landing Strip - Waxed and Ready to Go
Holy Jesus, that’d be a wicked 4th line.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
The best 4th line in hockey just improved!
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer Brads over Gordon if Belanger can do good things on the PK and is as good at face offs as they say.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
He’s good at faceoffs.
Looking at the PK numbers for Minny at Behind the Net, he looks like he’s used on the PK, but behind Koivu (duh) and Brodziak.
His on-ice/off-ice plus-minus on the PK and his Goals Against per 60 are not that great.
So, he’s killed penalties, but not that well, if I’m reading the numbers correctly.
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I think you see Chimera on line three and Fehr on line four.
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see:
21-18-16
25-39-15
and keep Flash with Semin. There are too many pieces!
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Do not like Semin/BMo/Flash. They’ll get pushed all over the ice.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
And Fleischmann does a lot of his damage on the PP.
Laich to line two, Fleischmann to line three?
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. With Belanger and Fehr/Chimera. That line will be able to be a good checking line, but have enough skill to hurt you if you don’t respect them. Isn’t that the goal? Laich/Belanger/Fehr/Chimera is going to end up being a pure checking line. Who’s going to gain the zone, create space, and get the puck to the net?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Why not Chimmer/Belanger/Fehr?
Flash/Laich/Semin?
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
Flash/Laich/Semin has no centers. Chimera/Belanger/Fehr doesn’t have enough offense.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I meant Laich/Flash/Semin,
I think Chimmer/Bel/Fehr would have enough offense. . .as a third line, imo, they would have more than most.
Fehr would have to step up his game slightly, but i think Chimera would be a good offensive spark for that line. He has the speed and the shot
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
Laich/Flash/Semin has no center…
I just don’t think that third line is creative enough with the puck to make it dangerous.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
=.= I think the Flash experiment should continue. . .cut it off abruptly if more practice doesnt help his FO%
Like i said below, if Belanger can play 2C then the lines will be fine
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
Improving FOs takes awhile
Backstrom, one of the top-10 if not top-5 centers in the world, has been working on draws for two and a half years in DC and still hasn’t cracked 50%. Crosby only cracked 50% in his 3rd or 4th season. Probably would take Flash even longer.
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Mar 4, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Laich’s better on the wing. Plus what do you do with B Mo?
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sloan may now safely be removed from ALL NHL depth charts.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
:)
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by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll probably have a permanent place in the press box.
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we’ll just have to take field trips over there and gaze at his sad face.
(honestly, sad face my ass. Dude has the potential to go from golf course to name on the Stanley Cup. He can’t be that sad)
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Yea, I thought back to meeting him at caps con and got kinda sad.
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agreed. he moved his family to DC year round, this has got to suck for him.
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That makes 2 guys at the “first day jitters” panel, experiencing first day jitters firsthand.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
Is it just me, or is anyone else just waiting and hoping they will finally announce Vokoun to the Caps deal? We curiously have several extra forwards…..
Some people are like Slinkies, not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Sure, I’d love it. But I don’t see it 90 minutes after the deadline.
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW…Vokoun named the starter for FLA tonight…this could possibly be posturing by FLA,,,just saying!
I went to a fight, and a hockey game broke out!
Against the Flyers, who supposedly were courting him. Priceless.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 3, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sloan contract continuing to baffle.
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Carlson replaces Pothier better than Alzner does.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Somewhere in Ohio, someone is pissed they just bought a Jurcina Blue Jackets jersey the other week.
"My face is my mask."
by jakeshapiro on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
As are the Caps fans who got rid of their Jurcina Caps jersey 3 months ago.
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by Green_with_Envy on Mar 3, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
All both of them.
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by jordanDC on Mar 3, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think many Caps fans get rid of their ex-Caps sweaters, considering the number of Nylander jerseys I still see at games.
"My face is my mask."
Have to agree. There is still a Brash jersey hanging in my closet. My wife said I could have it after he got released.
Some people are like Slinkies, not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
by Green_with_Envy on Mar 3, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Getting rid of a jersey is one of those things that should only happen after at least a year of the player being gone. And then only if you’re mad about it, otherwise just put it in the back of the closet.
hey now, I still wear my #37
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Jurcina will switch to 68 in an effort to boost jersey sales. evil grin
by TFG on Mar 3, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Jagr’s old number. Yuck.
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by Green_with_Envy on Mar 3, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know. Someone track it down!
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Found where it was posted, but they took the entry down.
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I almost feel like we should make them “MILAN RELEASED…..TO WASHINGTON!” t-shirts
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I wouldn’t say those we picked up are “underwhelming” at all.
Belanger is currently 7th in the league in faceoff %; having two of the top 10 centers (Stecks at #2) as far as faceoff percentage goes will be huge in the playoffs.
Corvo still has a bad rep from his Ottawa days, but the vast majority of ’Canes fans will say that he a very underrated d-man.
Juice will knock people on their asses in the corner; another good thing to have in the playoffs.
Walker adds needed grit and boatloads of playoff experience.
Overall I think GMGM did a solid job improving they team (despite maybe overpaying for Corvo)
Suddenly, we don’t need to trot out Steckel’s slow ass to take every single defensive-zone PK faceoff. HUZZAH!!!
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If you think his skating is slow, watch his wristshot release!
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Heeeeeeeeeeerrre coooooooooooommmmesssss aaaaaaaaa wriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist shooooooooooooooooooooot!
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Draws the puck back, looks up, looks at the puck, looks at the defender, looks at the puck, looks at the goalie, looks at the puck, looks at the goalie, puck stolen from his stick, tries to shoot anyway.
And this is always at like.. the top of the fucking circles.
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Seriously. I absolutely LOVE Steckel, and I LOVE that Boudreau trusts a 3rd/4th liner in that type of situation, but a team with this forward depth shouldn’t have to do that.
by TFG on Mar 3, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Belanger – 30 playoff games 2 goals
Walker – 29 playoff games 1 goal
Steckel – 21 playoff games 4 goals
Who were their linemates, and on what teams?
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Well, given we have to go back to 2000 to see when Belanger scored the first of his two playoff goals that sounds like a great research project for someone interested to find out.
Walker's Only Playoff Goal
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2008030217
Q: Your rival, Sidney Crosby: dislike him?
Ovechkin: "I love him."
Q: You send him cards on his birthday?
Ovechkin: "I send him cards every day."
by Marshall Pirate on Mar 3, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I really know very little about these two honestly. but I’m mostly concerned about Belanger out of the box here, mostly on over-reliance in the playoffs without much cause other than “here’s a center we can use”.
Total speculation.
Belanger's First Playoff Goal
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/cup01/games/2001-04-18-detla.htm
Q: Your rival, Sidney Crosby: dislike him?
Ovechkin: "I love him."
Q: You send him cards on his birthday?
Ovechkin: "I send him cards every day."
by Marshall Pirate on Mar 3, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
(Ian Laperriere and Adam Deadmarsh)
Seems like with these two as your assistants (and the two below) a person could find a way to score a few goals. My earlier point lost in the thread floods, was that their stats all head south come playoff time (cept Stecks who goes up).
My root point isn’t so much a direct comparison to Steckel though, it’s more about wanting to be able to put weight on people who show they’ve got some playoff mettle.
And how foolish it is to do so when Steckel is the comparable?
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You realize that “winning” and “losing” are things that teams, and not players, do?
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by D'ohboy on Mar 3, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Belanger's 2nd Playoff Goal
With Atlanta vs NY Rangers, 4/12/07
Powerplay goal assisted by Niclas Havelid and Keith Tkachuk.
Q: Your rival, Sidney Crosby: dislike him?
Ovechkin: "I love him."
Q: You send him cards on his birthday?
Ovechkin: "I send him cards every day."
by Marshall Pirate on Mar 3, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
taking a moment out from trade frenzy: remember to post in the Saves For Kids Donations thread so you can get in on the action!
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by RedBirdie on Mar 3, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Any word on the Jurcina Hernia?
Bob McKenzie reported on that, how does that affect his availability, and is it true?
Q: Your rival, Sidney Crosby: dislike him?
Ovechkin: "I love him."
Q: You send him cards on his birthday?
Ovechkin: "I send him cards every day."
I’ve wondered myself and I guess we’ll have to wait to hear from McPhee. That’ s a 4-8 week injury if he needs surgery.
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Corvo for Pothier,Osala and a pick
Joe Corvo, D, Carolina Hurricanes (Age: 32)
6’0, 204, Shoots: Right
2009-10 Salary Cap Hit: $2.625 Mil, UFA for 2010-11
2009-10 Stats: 34 GP, 4-8-12, -6, 10 PIM, 25:13 TOI/G (4:38 PP, 3:23 SH), 19 Hits, 45 BkS, 16 GvA, 17 TkA, 76 Shots
Pros: Joe Corvo plays a ton of minutes in Carolina and has been a 37+ point defenseman since the lockout and has scored 13 or more goals three times in the last four years. He logs a ton of special teams time, and is another right-handed shot for the Capitals, and he doesn’t take penalties. At 32, he’s in his prime, even if he is on a struggling team this season. He has good size and is very good with the puck. He shoots a lot, and with 4-2-6 on the powerplay this year, he’s still making use of his time. He has good playoff experience, going to the Stanley Cup Final with Ottawa in 2007 and the Conference Final with Carolina last year. His career totals are 468 GP, 66 Goals (30 PP), 212 Points, +43, 184 PIM. His playoff totals are 38 GP, 4-12-16, 10 PIM.
Cons: He is coming off an injury; Karl Alzner sliced his ankle tendon in a game against the Caps and he has missed almost half the season. He’s not very physical, he’s only logged 19 hits.
I did not think George McPhee would make a deal of this magnitude for Corvo, within the division. Corvo is very, very good, and I think ultimately he was worth what we paid to get him, especially considering the climate. He is an obvious upgrade over Pothier for about the same money, and a second round pick is justified here, but I didn’t see McPhee trading away such an experienced defenseman. Carolina is not going to the playoffs, and Pothier was a way for us to shed salary, so Carolina wanted something else, and the got a pretty good prospect in Oskar Osala. Osala was supposed to be our next power forward and had been struggling to adapt to the North American game somewhat, but with a 23-goal, 37-point AHL rookie campaign to go with a 6-goal, 10-point Calder Cup Run, and 15 goals and 29 points this season, he seemed to be doing pretty well. I didn’t think we would give up Osala at the trade deadline. I’m sure he was a demand from Jim Rutherford since he probably could have gotten another nice prospect from another team for Corvo. I didn’t expect us to be willing to go this high for him, which is why I considered Zidlicky a more likely pickup, (an equivalent talent), because I would have expected us to trade Francois Bouchard their direction, a prospect I didn’t see panning out with us. I guess when Zidlicky signed with Minnesota, McPhee had to go another direction and had his hand forced by a talented GM within the Southeast. Overall, a good trade, but we’ll see what the subtraction of Pothier will mean.
Q: Your rival, Sidney Crosby: dislike him?
Ovechkin: "I love him."
Q: You send him cards on his birthday?
Ovechkin: "I send him cards every day."
I like your posts, but some paragraph breaks would help them be more readable. As is, they’re kinda just big blocks o’ text. :)
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by D'ohboy on Mar 3, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry about that.
Q: Your rival, Sidney Crosby: dislike him?
Ovechkin: "I love him."
Q: You send him cards on his birthday?
Ovechkin: "I send him cards every day."
by Marshall Pirate on Mar 3, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I’d add to the cons that Corvo does make the occasional boneheaded mistake (there’s a reason the fans of his two previous teams make jokes about him). He’s a risk-reward defenseman going to a risk-reward team, so in that sense, Corvo could be a good fit.
Sorry, but I don’t take anything a Canes fan says seriously and Ottawa fans never seem to be fucking content.
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And every D makes mistakes and gets railed for them.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus, still more small moves coming in.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 3, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Someone needs to tell Phoenix to calm the hell down.
by mch on Mar 3, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to make a shirt
Caps logo on the front, Jurcorvalkanger 23772418 on the back.
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Pretty hard to say. I think the big thing is that GMGM didn’t really send out anyone major.
That being said, Jurcina was widely reported to be a very popular guy in the room.
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i was gona say that the defensive chemistry broke down some when we traded Juice to the jackets, with him back, and an experienced corvo on the second or third line, chemistry shouldn’t be a problem, and defensively responsible centers should mix well anytime. not sure where walker fits in
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Mar 3, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Then again it always could be worse...
Read this line from the Oilers Blogger…
Oilers defense tonight: Gilbert, Strudwick, Chorney, Peckham, Motin & Arsene. Kane might be going after Sittler’s record
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
Arsene toiled on the Hershey blueline for a long time. I’m glad he’s getting NHL ice, even if it’s Edmonton ice.
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I still think the Bears could tool that team.
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The Bears don’t have anyone that stacks up with Penner. He’d rampage through the D in HER. While Cogs and Gagne have been a bit rushed, they’re still head and shoulders above most AHL players, especially in hands and speed. Gilbert is better than anyone the Bears are going to ice as well. Maybe Hershey has better talent at the bottom, but it’s still clear advantage EDM among the guys who’re actually going to get ice.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
You think Tom Gilbert is better than either Alzner or Carlson? Really? Really?
Personally, I think I take Alzner and Carlson vs. EDM’s top line. After that, it gets a little tighter, but I don’t think EDM’s D will match up will with HER’s ability to roll 4 lines. And I think Hershey has better goaltending, particularly if Neuvirth is playing.
Honestly, HER is filled with fringe-y AAAA players (Giroux, Aucoin), and guys who are good, but too young/blocked from the NHL (Alzner, Carlson, Perrault). Likewise, EDM has some good NHL players, but they’ve got an ass-ton of guys who probably shouldn’t be getting an NHL sweater, and wouldn’t be, if they weren’t playing on the worst team in the NHL.
Throw in the fact that Neuvirth/Holtby is probably already better than whomever EDM’s throwing in net these days, and the fact that HER actually seems to have chemistry and play a system, and I don’t think this is as ridiculous as you believe.
One of the things that’s impressed me over the years about the AHL/NHL divide is the number of NHL players who’ve gotten demoted to the AHL who have been far from dominant. This has become particularly clear in the salary cap age, as expensive older players get sent down. Many of those guys might get an NHL sweater if they had a lower cap hit, but instead they toil in the AHL, and they’re not exactly lighting the league up, either.
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Brendan Witt got dominated by HER.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
You think Tom Gilbert is better than either Alzner or Carlson? Really? Really?
Right now? Really. And it’s not even close.
Gilbert has the best ES GAON/60 on the team except for Ladislav Smid and he’s playing against QualComp with lower QualTeam.
Gilbert has the lowest GAON/60 on the PK, the only guy under 8.00 (granted it’s 7.99).
He’s awful on the PP, which makes him no worse than Carlznerson there — they weren’t getting it done against Bridgeport.
He’s a full-on NHL player who’s probably overpaid by 65% and a legit top-4 by the numbers. He’s playing as a 2/3 in EDM, so that doesn’t help, but yeah. He’s better than Carlznerson as it stands right now. That may change next season and it will change the year after that.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, but if you go by BTN ratings 4v5, both Carlson and Alzner come out ahead by a long, long ways. 5v5, Carlson comes out far ahead of Gilbert, with Alzner trailing behind. 5v4 is a wash, since neither Alzner or Carlson really get much PP time.
Also, you should know better than to extrapolate one game (Bridgeport) to suggest that Carlznerson are bad on the PP at the AHL level, when all other signs suggest that Carlson, at the very least, is outstanding.
Basically, a 27 year old guy with four years in the league is putting up essentially equal stats to a guy who just left his teens and another guy who can just now legally buy booze in the US.
Call me a blatant homer, but I’d take Carlson over Gilbert right now in a heartbeat. Alzner, I can see an argument on.
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Stop hating on Alzner, dicknose. He’s more polished than Carlson right now in the NHL. He isn’t as strong but he has more poise with the puck under pressure and makes the little play better.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Look fartface, I’m just calling it like I see it. I think Alzner’s going to be good-to-great, but Carlson just plays the game at another level, and his AHL (and NHL) stats bear that out.
I don’t hate Alzner, I just think Carlson is better. I very much want a top-4 of Green, Schultz, Carlson and Alzner going forward, maybe as soon as next year….
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Stats are going to be 100% the worst way to evaluate those guys. Everyone knows Alzner is D first and Carlson is the offensive guy. That’s no surprise. Alzner erases opportunities like a silent assassin. He doesn’t show up on paper, because he doesn’t even want you to know he was there. Loose puck in the corner and a forward on the hunt, I trust Alzner to make the safe play.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but when I watch them with the puck on their stick in their own end, I trust Carlson to have the ability to outmuscle someone if he needs to eat the puck along the boards.
For all of Alzner’s steadiness, they both make mistakes (as they should given their age). Carlson’s ability to skate with the puck and his shot simply make him much more dangerous offensively and make his mistakes easier to tolerate.
All stats aside, Carlson is stronger and faster – and you know that if one of them got traded today, you’d have preferred it if it were Alzner…
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Yeah Carlson is bigger and physically more mature. But Alzner is going to fill out so I’m not really concerned with that right now. He’s better in his own end and he’s gong to continue to get better. I ranked Alzner number 1 on my list, so I don’t know how much more clear I could be about how I feel.
And I didn’t want either of them moving unless we were getting a stud in his prime back. I think they are both going to be great.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe that particular iteration. Maybe. That D is shameful.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Lol @ Caps Mobile Alert:
“Juice is back!”
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by what Juneau about that? on Mar 3, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions
Yay sports hernia!
Milan Jurcina is out 6-8 weeks with a sports hernia.
Via TEB.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
Good thing we also got our plan C, Corvo.
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by jordanDC on Mar 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So for the rest of the regular season and into the playoffs.
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Getting healthy just when everyone else is breaking down. He might contribute.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
OK, so here is where DC United needs to talk with the Caps. They’ve had a ton of guys go down with a sports hernia over the past few years and they always send them to some doctor in Germany who has a way to do the surgery so the player is good to go in 3 weeks. I think someone even had the surgery on both sides at once and was still back faster than 6-8 weeks. Couple this with hockey players returning from injury far faster than most other athletes and it is a no brainer.
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Um yeah, except playing hockey is a little more demanding that running around like a sissy in shin pads.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
by macvechkin on Mar 3, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Soccer is pretty demanding, especially on defense with lots of stop/starts/jumps/slides, but yeah, hockey is heavier on the ankles by far.
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Mar 4, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Correction on TEB's part:
Correction: Milan Jurcina is out 4-6. Either way, won’t play until playoffs.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
Nothing like a rusty Juice heading into the playoffs. This trade makes less and less sense.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
Yea, as much as I’m excited for Juice, this has me scratching my head.
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I’d bet it’s posturing to get a chance to re-sign Juice. The sixth is nothing. If he heals in time to replace an injured guy in the playoffs, great. If not, GMGM can start seeing what he’s asking for. We’ll need to keep someone, may as well have some options.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I guess. That would put him on track to come back during, what, the second round of the playoffs? And you wanna throw him into that pressure cooker after two months of no hockey? Sounds like we just wasted a 6th rounder. Not a huge deal but also a slight blunder by McPhee IMO. Otherwise today is pure win IMO.
I’m not saying he gets a jersey the day he’s healthy, and the second round would be optimistic. You know that someone will get hurt, especially the way Shamo and Erskine play. Having a guy that can replace them if need be in the later rounds is a luxury.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
We gave up hardly anything for a guy who’s better than the guy he’s replacing any way you slice it and is hugely popular in the locker room. I don’t get the hate over this deal.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 3, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Prodigal Juice
Dealt away on the day he was named to Team Slovakia, returning on the first day after the Olympic Break.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
Sounds like maybe Juice was a “return” from Columbus? With his injury, I’m sure Columbus didn’t want him and was just happy to unload him. so the Caps took him back.
just a shot in the dark.
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by RedskinFan4Life on Mar 3, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ponikarvovsky? Not familiar with either guy too much.
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Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
Did the Caps just get the best C and the best D who moved at the deadline?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not if you consider Wolski a C, which he has played on occasion.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
I don’t since I probably wouldn’t play him there on the Caps…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
besides, its not about gettin the best, its about gettin what fits in the system. corvo and belanger will be great penalty killers
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Mar 3, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Easy to fit a guy with a lot of talent…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think you may be right. That makes it even better.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
More TEB:
BB says Eric Belanger will be the third line center.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
Until Bmo slumps and then they get flip flopped every 3 shifts.
I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life.
by zephyr on Mar 3, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Minnesota Beat guy on Belanger
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/86269847.html
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
As per Friedman
Toronto also got D Matt Jones from Phoenix in Stempniak deal
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
Seems a bit steep, but Jones has gotten some opportunities and hasn’t produced. He may yet be a good D-man though.
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Never been a Stempniak fan. Any thoughts CP?
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
I’ve always thought he’s a bit soft. However, I liked what I saw initially in St. Louis. If he can get his scoring touch back he’d be a huge help to the Yotes. Even before Upshall got hurt the Yotes were lacking scoring from their forwards. Yotes have enough grit that adding a rather soft guy shouldn’t hurt much. The issue he’s going to have is how he plays in his own end. Tippet will bench him if he doesn’t play both ways.
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So, anyone else coming out of today looking forward to more trades with CBJ? GMGM oooooowns that franchise.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions
Francois Bouchard and a 1st round pick for Rick Nash, per @TSNBobMcKenzie
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 3, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Vermette and Umburger for Fehr and Fleischmann! Make it happen!
by David M. Getz on Mar 3, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Roster clear-out
Does anyone know if the new guys count on our roster immediately, or only after they report? Either way, the Caps are going to have to clear some guys out to make room.
"We take the shortest route to the puck and arrive in ill humor." - Bobby Clarke
23-man roster limit didn’t exist anymore after 12:00 AM this morning. The 50 contract limit still does. We’re under the second, which is what matters.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
Assume Juice goes to IR. Then you’ve only added two more people to roster if you swap Corvo for Potsy. That means you’ve got 24 guys. Not sure about 23 man rules after deadline. I’m hoping Sloan gets sent down regardless of the rules..
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by what Juneau about that? on Mar 3, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions
My bad with the no-subject line
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by what Juneau about that? on Mar 3, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I like about the Corvo trade: he has a heck of a slapshot. It’s hard and fairly accurate, and he unloads it a lot. He was tied for 6th in the league for shots by a D-man last year (with Dan Boyle, incidentally), and he’s been in the top 20 every year since the lockout. The Caps offense doesn’t revolve a lot around having big shots from the point to generate rebounds, but it can’t hurt in helping set up deflections and rebounds.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
could make for nice chemistry with Knuble
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Cap position of all 30 teams for 2010-11 after trade deadline based on March 3 rosters
http://www.capgeek.com/charts_index.php
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
i almost wish I didnt see that. With the trade deadline just ending my head is now spinning with possibilites that the Caps could do with $20 mil. of space this summer (re-signing Backs is #1 of course)
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My Thoughts/First Post
(I know, I know, I’m supposed to lurk and figure things out first, but come on, it’s Hockey Christmas…apologies if I goof in, say, more than 2 ways here)
Overall, I like what we did. Without giving much up, we added significant depth and some toughness at forward, and (hopefully) ensured Sloan stays in Chocolate Town longer. We have some nice flexibility with forwards now in case of injury or poor play, though I guess we won’t see the same lines for 14 straight games again…I do seem to recall some good things happening then, but you don’t need to win 16 straight in a few months.
Now, I know we measure everything against the Pens (hell, we did before last season too), and I’m firmly in the “we started a year or two behind pittsburgh, with less high draft picks” camp, so I’d be curious what a statistical comparison of our team, pre-deals, looked like against the Pens, pre-deals, last season. Maybe focusing in particular on the D pairings and depth players. I’m horrible at recognizing which of those #‘s are relevant, but I kind of think we’d stack up well.
Obviously, last season, pitt got Guerin, played well when it counted and got the bounces any champion needs. Couldn’t we look at our team, say that adding Knuble, Walker, and Belanger (and subtracting certain players getting bounced back to the AHL) trumps Guerin, and, to quote Philly baseball fans, ask “why can’t us?”
I know we didnt make the big splash, but I think we’re better and deeper today than yesterday, and we didn’t drop out of the talk of teams that could do well in the second season.
And thus ends my first post…I’m sure my remaining/occasional posts will be shorter and dumber :)
by pspaster on Mar 3, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
I agree with 2nd paragraph.
We will have to see how the trades pan out to compare ourselves against the Pens
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True enough, and we won’t really know for a while how they’ll come together. I just figure that there are bound to be people screaming that we didnt do enough, and that one the patented statistical analysis that drew me to Japers, along with the game recaps (nothing wrong with sucking up a bit), could prove that we’re on the right track.
Came with an avatar and a well-thought-out post? Rec for you, sir.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 3, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Those were my two takeaways from reading the glossary 2.0. Oh, and that “Go Flyerz!” will be one of my favorite sayings
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by what Juneau about that? on Mar 3, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone watching TSN? Keenan and Peca giving their 3 players to watch, 3 of the first 4 were Caps. And the other was Jeff Halpern.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions
Yeah. That was pretty good. On the other hand, I’m a little worried that Keenan likes what we’ve done so much. It’s sort of like a bizarro compliment.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
True. Always have to keep in mind that Keenan is an ass.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
But he haz a Cup!!!!!!1
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
i always thought keenan was a great coach, but only if you had just the right set of players…the type that improve when you scream at them.
I think it’s just that he has a 3 year shelf-life. First year he gets his program down. Second year you are good and disciplined. Third year the players hate him but if they are contending he stays, if not they quit and he’s fired.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
But not as funny.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Keenan has won exactly one cup, despite having talent most of the places he’s gone (with the obvious exception of FLA). At some point, people need to realize that NY in 94 was an aberration – that team was just stacked.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Paul Holmgren still tried, though. He tried to get Dan Hamhuis. He tried to get Tomas Vokoun. He tried to get Dwayne Roloson, Raffi Torres and Joe Corvo. In the end, he was either outbid by another team or just didn’t have enough to give up.
Corvo deal looks even better to me in that light…….
Sucks for Holmgren. . .team is on the verge of some really good stuff and he didn’t get to make any moves
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Thats what happens when you throw that much money at someone like Briere. It’s hard to create cap room. I have no sympathy for Holmgren. Knowing that the Flyers wanted Corvo makes me so much happier we got him.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 3, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not just the money, but all the NMCs. Hartnell, Briere, Gagne. The guys anyone would want can’t go anywhere.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, and the only one who’s movable, Carter, he’d be crazy to move. He’s boxed the Flyers into a corner for a while, and I can’t be happier.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 3, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
So the only draft pick that’s conditional is the Juice pick, right? Does anyone know what the conditions are?
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 3, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions
i assume this means that Sloan and Laing are being waived again. I question the logic of bringing them up on Sunday (unless they had to because it was deemed conditioning) as the likliehood of them passing through waivers at this point is less likely as team have holes to fill now.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Mar 3, 2010 6:23 PM EST reply actions
Why send them down?
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
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Are you not limited to a 23 player roster and with one (Pothier outbound) and 4 inbound do we not need to send 2 down to clear roster space.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
i assume this means that Sloan and Laing are being waived again.
Not necessarily.
I question the logic of bringing them up on Sunday (unless they had to because it was deemed conditioning) as the likliehood of them passing through waivers at this point is less likely as team have holes to fill now.
In any case, you can’t just leave them down there on a conditioning stint forever. If you want them to go down, you have to send them through waivers. If you don’t, you don’t have to. Nothing to see here.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Really guys why on earth would you hate on the corvo trade?
we gave up a washed up prospect, a draft pick we didnt need at all, and a not as good injury prone dman for a guy who would play on the top pair on a shitload of teams, plays more minutes per game than green (yes i know its hard to believe), can point the 2nd PP, can pick up the slack if green decides to not show up for the playoffs, and has an absolute dagger of a slapshot. How can you not like that trade? Walker trade was good because we gave up nothing for something, and he makes us more injury proof and gives our already sick forward corp even more depth. Belanger is a sick nasty trade because we get someone with the speed of chimera and the faceoff prowess of stecks to center the semin laich line and finally keep up with them. some may point to his similar production to Bmo, but flat out he is a better fit, FO guy, and PK-er. Also getting Juice back initally produces a WTF reaction, but the fact is that he pushes stiffs like sloan and erskine off the roster, making our bottom 3 much stronger. Overall, GMGM found that 2C or 3C we were looking for, the top 4 dman we were looking for (even tho some haters don’t want to admit it and he wasn’t the flashy more impact grab like hammer or neidermeyer), and as a bonus we got more depth with walker and further imporved our D corp with juice back. Even sweeter is that we virtually gave up nothing as the only NHL caliber player that left was upgraded, the prospect we gave up is washed up, and with our amazing farm system the picks are not needed, and half of the picks are essentially worhtless anyway. Good job GMGM. Good trades all around. We are a noticeably better team now after the dealine than we were before it. Wished we could’ve gotten Hamhuis and Vokoun but the asking price was probably way too high. In the end we should all be happy with the trades made. Just because it ain’t flashy doesn’t mean it ain’t effective.
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
this team is going to need draft picks. with big big money at the top of the lineup, the caps will depend on cheap homegrown talent to fill out the roster for the foreseeable future. i don’t dislike the corvo trade, but i certainly object to “a draft pick we didn’t need at all.” same goes with the belanger 2nd rounder. i like the flexibility the caps are left with, dealing exclusively for 2010 UFAs, but shipping out a top pick for a rental 3C like belanger isn’t doing it for me.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 3, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, definitely risky to deal away picks. Right now it seems like future 2C is hinging on Perreault or Johansson, and if neither of them are good enough it’s a FA. It’d be nice to have a constant stream of cheap talent with the occasional stud to keep the team moving along with a small core of players staying put.
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Mar 4, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Osala, washed up? At 22? That’s pretty harsh.
by David M. Getz on Mar 4, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s the thing — I think as a collection, these guys are good bunch and will improve the team. But I really thought that they should’ve gone out and gotten a first-pair defensive defenseman. They would’ve likely had to overpay, but the Caps are very deep prospect-wise and could afford to give a little more.
Corvo’s pretty good, and he very may well be the best guy that was moved today, but I don’t know if he’s the type of guy that the team needed. They have Green and Poti and, if needed, Carlson. Why Corvo, too?
Carlson isn’t ready for a playoff push. Poti hasn’t been the offensive defenseman he made his name as since before he became a Cap. And Corvo is seriously underrated defensively. I agree a more typical shutdown guy is preferable, but those guys just weren’t moving today. GMGM would have had to seriously over pay to pry one away, and that’s not his style. The more I look at Corvo the better he looks. According to BtN and Alan Ryder he’s much better defensively than commonly recognized.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Why not overpay? I’m not talking about giving up Carlson or a first (though even that wouldn’t be so terrible this year), but some combination of Perreault or Gordon.
The Caps are so deep in their system, they can afford it.
But they choose not to. Which is why their system is deep.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
And they’ll need guys like Gordon and MP to step in within the next couple years as they re-sign their core players. If they don’t bring in guys on cheap RFA contracts then they have to continue to sign guys to 1-2 year deals but those are just going to be mediocre options. I’m pretty happy with how this played out. I question if MP or Gordon would even fetch a top pair defensive D. We’d have to throw in a 1 with that as well and I’m not a huge fan of that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 3, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Perrault and Gordon don’t get you a top pairing defenseman.
by David M. Getz on Mar 4, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see how they could have gotten a top pair Dman without giving up Carlznerson and/or a first.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 4, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
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