Tuesday Caps Clips: The Gang's All Here
Your savory breakfast links:
- Alex Ovechkin is back on the job and - wait for it - talking with the media. How about that? [Corey Masisak, Corey Masisak, CI, Alex Ovetjkin]
- Ovi: "I must admit, I want to win." Good to know. [Alex Ovetjkin]
- Jose Theodore talks about losing his son. Heart-breaking read, to say the least. [WaPo (with "Saves for Kids" charity information here)]
- Theo and his teammates are now focused on the weeks - and months - ahead. [Corey Masisak]
- Nicklas Backstrom's Olympic performance draws rave reviews. [Puck Daddy]
- "Ovie, on the other hand, folded like an umbrella during the quarterfinal against Canada." [The Hockey News]
- Along those lines (but completely detached from reality), Michael Wilbon on February 10: "Ovechkin is the best player in the NHL right now." Michael Wilbon on March 1: "Right now, Ovechkin would need a telescope to see Crosby, who's that far ahead in this race." Reactions to Wilbon's over-the-top and inaccurate bloviating (yes, there's more... much more) from Peerless, D.C. Sports Bog, RMNB and in this FanShot.
- Shaone Morrisonn doesn't like Sidney Crosby. There's a pretty good chance that Sidney Crosby doesn't know who Shaone Morrisonn is. [D.C. Sports Bog]
- "A lot of guys call me Sniper, because of my ability to score." - Matt Bradley (who also goes by "Mr. Offense") [DCist]
- Bruce Boudreau has been one tremendously successful regular season coach in the NHL so far. [Puck Prospectus]
- Looking ahead to the stretch run... [Homer McFanboy]
- ... one featuring a favorable schedule for the Caps... [On the Forecheck]
- ... that opens with an interesting March. [RtR]
- And what would the stretch run be without Rage's Eastern Conference Playoff Tracker, an annual rite of spring of Stravinsky proportions? [FanPost]
- Puck Daddy has a prediction: "Alex Ovechkin will edge Sidney Crosby by one goal for another Richard Trophy." JP has a prediction: If that happens, this will be the most popular page on NHL.com. [Puck Daddy]
- Hey, power rankings are back, with the Caps holding the top spot at Sportsnet and CBS Sports.
- Lightning blueliner Kurtis Foster dislikes the Caps more than any team in the League (good) and calls the Verizon Center the toughest arena to play in "because of the fans" (great). [Raw Charge]
- Owner's Corner. With the Owner. But no corners, really. [Caps365 (video)]
- A Q&A with George McPhee, in which he reveals exactly whom he's targeting at the deadline and what he's willing to move in return. Right. [CI]
- A look at the Caps' trade deadline options and an argument for not trying to upgrade the team down the middle. [DCEx]
- The Flyers are lookin' to deal and may be interested in Milan Jurcina, "a tough-as-nails d-man." I guess there are less accurate things you could write about Juice. [CSNPhilly]
- And speaking of Jurcina, "[b]elieve it or not, one of the teams thought to have interest is the Washington Capitals." [BJX]
- On this date back in 1992, the Caps acquired Paul MacDermid from Winnipeg for Mike Lalor so, um, there's organizational precedent for a March 2 trade.
- "Absurd Goalie Monday" featuring Jim Carey. [The Strangest One of All]
- A nice keepsake from Mike Knuble's appearance in Baltimore. [FanShot]
- Hammer + nail head = Duhatschek (for today, at least). [CTV]
- Great pics from the Bears' "Capitals Night" jersey auction, including Braden Holtby looking like someone who should be doing your taxes (and/or complaining about someone stealing his stapler), not stopping pucks. [Caps In Pictures]
- Happy 48th birthday, Peter Andersson.
- Finally, last evening I did a phoner with Mick Kern that will air on XM204's "The War Room" today some time after 11:00 AM. Check it out to see what I sound like with a massive head cold (two words: dead sexy).
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Braden Holtby looking like someone who should be doing your taxes (and/or complaining about someone stealing his stapler)
He looks like he’s going to play “Stork” in the remake of Animal House. No wait… and extra in the TV show, “Glee”… no wait, the new “Todd” from SNL (“that’s a stunning housecoat you’re wearing, Mrs. Loopner…”)
If you've read this far...seek help.
Pinizzotto… “bid on this shirt, or I’ll kill you”
Miskovic… “open an account today, and you get this free gift”
A. Gordon… “Hey, ma… look whut I found down at thuh feed store”
Perreault… “Is this the audition for the remake of ‘Love Story?’”
Alzner… “PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME!!!”
Amadio… “ok, am I holding this right?”
Giroux… “the last puppy in the litter…”
McNeill… “she’s cute…”
Wellar… “I’m happy to accept this gift as salesman of the month…”
Bouchard… “Winner of the Bobcat Goldthwait Lookalike Competition for the fourth straight year!”
Bacashihua… “look, it’s even spelled right!”
Dubuc… " ok, go ahead…release the bull!"
Bourque… " they woke me up to hold a SHIRT?!"
Laing… “Bond…James Bond”
Carlson… “I know, I know… I’m cool”
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Mar 2, 2010 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sloan… “I’m pretty sure a #5 Caps jersey with my name on it is a pretty eggregious jersey foul, but whatevs.”
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by J.P. on Mar 2, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
was that his jersey number or his rank amongst the six hershey dmen? they really need to retire that number on all caps related jersey’s even if its his number in hershey..
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Crosby looks like a baby seal in that pic…
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Mar 2, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions
In all seriousness, do you guys ever get tired of Steinberg working Crosby into his articles? It’s mind-blowing how often he makes it happen. The guy thinks the hockey season starts in January (when the Redskins are done playing), and then he mentions Crosby in 75% of his articles. I don’t know why you give him the time of day.
Same reason The Pensblog mentions AO in 75% of their posts. Its entertaining.
Speaking of Pensblog, I like how they referred to John Erskine this morning as “Joel Erskine”….very Chris Jericho.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
Who is Joel Erskine? Intentional mistake?
I have a love-hate relationship with the Pensblog, as I have explained in the past. I just have a hate-hate relationship with Steinberg. It just bugs me that this guy doesn’t mention hockey even when the Caps are tearing up the league, unless the Redskins are done. Oh well. Whatever keeps the hits coming, I guess.
Right. Combine him with Wisebon, and you’ve got three sports writers who overlook/neglect the only team in town doing something, the latter two apparently like to tweak the fanbase of said team. The lack of coverage past the beat tells me how much they think people truly care about the team. I don’t need to go back there! when much more quality stuff is being done elsewhere.
! = except for DC United stuff.
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Its still a “Redskins Town” unfortunately in terms of hits and popular perception. I’m sure you can empathize being in Pittsburgh during Steelers season.
Seriously…Mike Shanahan can fart and it would make the front page of the Post. And its why Larry Michael has an entire show that airs every day on Comcast Sportsnet, even during offseason, where its just him sitting around talking to Rick Doc Walker for a half an hour.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
and there is no company man like Larry Michael. He’ll say the sky is burgundy if he thought it had something to do with the skins.
Its cute when Sonny comes out and predicts the Redskins will win every week. Michael is pure evil.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
That’s true. I am actually very impressed with the coverage the Penguins get in the Pittsburgh newspapers, even during Steeler season. However, that won’t change the fact that it is still a “Steeler Town.”
Although I did catch an interesting Caps show on Comcast Sports Net last night as I was flipping through the channels. I could listen to Brooks Laich interviews all day. That guy is hilarious.
Just curious, how long did it take for the newspaper coverage of the Pens to get to the current level? I imagine it wasn’t at the same quality in 2003-2004, and I’m guessing it gradually built up as the Pens got Crosby, got out of the basement, then became contenders and won the Cup.
If that is the case then there may be hope for Washington papers as the Caps are currently on a similar, but lagged, trajectory.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 2, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing it gradually built up as the Pens got Crosby, got out of the basement…
I thought he was still in the basement??
/cheap shot
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by Scott in Shaw on Mar 2, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you’re questioning why Caps fans bother reading him, I’m really curious why a Pens fan reads him.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
because Steinberg is like catnip to them?
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
Or rub their heads on the floor?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else find it weird people drug their cats?
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
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We have to. He’s got bad asthma and he only has 3 teef left.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
mine likes beer. keeps trying to shove his face in my mug.
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
My cat will try to drink anything left unattended.
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my mom’s cat will maul you to get bacon. I once caught her with her face shoved into a can full of bacon grease.
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
Mine too, although they’ll then turn up their nose and walk away if it’s carbonated.
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Yeah.. she’s mainly after water and milk. It’s gotten to the point where if you leave the room and don’t take your cup, you probably should just get a new one when you come back.
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Sometimes its the only way to catch them to get them in a carrier. Once they know your trying to take them somewhere they will hide and run, and a cat that doesn’t want to be caught can pretty much disapear, so its easier to just spread catnip on the floor, lure them out and get them when their stoned.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
I’m such a dog person, cats are too sassy for me.
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too sassy for you?
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
I can’t deal with the excess sass, I have enough of my own.
Also I like that dogs poop outside, that’s just me.
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My cat became my all-time hero when he pooped during my wife’s spanish class.
My wife: “I’m…i’m sorry…did Tommy just fart?”
Kids: “No! He pooped!!!!!!!”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Bog’s driven by page hits, and apparently nobody wants to read about hockey during football season (paraphrasing his words). So this guy isn’t going back to the Bog anytime soon.
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Eh…I still check it out from time to time just for headlines. I like Steinberg.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
About as tired as I get of Seth Rohrbaugh ripping Caps at every turn, which is to say, yes, it gets tiring.
That said, I think the “guy thinks the hockey season starts in January,” etc. stuff is unfair and inaccurate. Dan does a great job, but he also has a base he plays to at times.
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Other than the Mike Green comments, I don’t think he does it that often. Maybe I just haven’t been reading as much lately. Really, the worst thing he has said about the Caps is his “Paper Champions” rant, which was just in response to Uncle Ted’s gloating. But that topic doesn’t really pertain to this thread, as it is over 2 months old already.
He kills Ovi, Green and Ted every chance he gets. It’s a shame, too, b/c he’s really good when not sucking up to the PensBlog crowd.
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I will have to look for that more. Truthfully, I haven’t read his stuff too much. He was my go to place for news roundups, and would always have them posted by 6 or 7am. He has been slipping. By the time he posts them, I have already gotten my fix.
Definitely true – it’s mid-afternoon and it’s a huge collection of AP Photos. Sweet, I guess.
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Dan does a great job, but he also has a base he plays to at times.
and during hockey season, it’s Pittsburgh fans who take the bait every single time and click on his stuff a bazillion times and post countless rants in the comments. In a page view count driven world, he’s found his golden ticket for January-April.
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
There’s something to people being played like fiddles that is both amusing and disturbing.
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, it’s Pittsburgh fans who take the bait every single time and click on his stuff a bazillion times
Bingo, insult Pittsburgh during the hockey season and the page counts explode.
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a gut punch. Just horrible.
BTW, here is the info on how to donate the Theo’s organization, Saves For Kids.
by RedBirdie on Mar 1, 2010 7:16 PM PST
I may donate something soon. I have a very close friend whose son was born premature and with other very serious problems, and the kid is now a normal 5-year-old. Amazing how randomly things like this can strike, and how random the outcomes can be.
If y’all wanted to put some kind of benefit or contest together to raise some cash, I’d definitely be in. Not sure what it would be. The 10¢ per post on a GDT has been done — it’d be fun to come up with something new and creative in that vein.
Perhaps we can do "60 for 60?" — get 60 people to pledge a certain amount or something like that?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 2, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
How ‘bout a price-per-save by any Caps goalie during their 5-game homestand that starts on Thursday? BB is going to get both his netminders some game action, I’d imagine. And we’re all part of one team.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
sounds like a great idea. People can decide what level they’re comfortable with. Like, person A might say “I’m donating 50 cents for every save” while Person B say “I’m in college and broke, but I can swing 5 cents per save.”
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
And let’s make sure it covers both goalies. No reason to take away from the charity when Varly gets a start.
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by Gould Old Days on Mar 2, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
What Theo’s been able to do this season at a position that requires 100% concentration has been remarkable. I’ve got a buddy who lost a son two years ago and he’s never been the same since. When Theo went into that tailspin around Christmas, I wondered if the loss of his child was a major factor. Looks like it was.
ok, gang, FanPost for donations is up. make sure you rec it so it can stay on the front page as long as possible.
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
Steinberg making Wilbon look foolish makes me happy.
by Battenburg Baron on Mar 2, 2010 7:42 AM EST reply actions
At some point, even attacking him FJM-style, it just gets tiring. I’m so over the whole Crosby-Ovechkin thing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
So am I. To me, trumpeting that Crosby has a Cup and a medal and Ovechkin doesn’t, therefore Crosby is better, is a slap in the face of the teams Crosby played with. Hello, this is a team sport, and Team Canada was absurdly stacked. Crosby’s had all the luck so far, bluntly.
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by gotsparkly on Mar 2, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as annoying as it is to hear the arguement, its a valid one. And one we won’t hear the end of until Ovie brings home some team hardware.
I don’t think it is for the reasons stated above. You’ll hear it anyway, but I don’t think it’s all that valid. Crosby doesn’t have any of the individual awards – to me that points to him having the good fortune to play on better teams and that he by himself has less to do with that.
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by gotsparkly on Mar 2, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol crosby maeks his team better thats why they won gold n cups lol
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t go to college, but if you’re comparing individuals , should not individual achievements be mentioned? Pearson, Hart, Ross, Calder. They must be pretty close in those, right?
Or, if you’re comparing individuals by team results, why not highlight crosby’s Conn Smythe trophy last spring, and show how he was the tip of Canada’s spear throughout Vancouver?
Oh. Nevermind.
by redlineblue on Mar 2, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
There is something to be said about players who do win championships and Olympic golds though. It’s not a tiebreaking who’s better argument, but it does, for example, make a guy like Scott Niedermayer a HoF lock lock.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
John Elway had to watch Joe Montana win four Super Bowls. Peyton Manning had to witness Tom Brady win three.
While those two athletes crafted incredible careers, they always had to answer questions about the team accomplishments of their rival. Fans of Elway and Manning would always point to statistics and individual awards, but Montana and Brady supporters had those Super Bowl rings.
This was a good perspective on the whole “but Sydney’s got a ring” argument at this stage in their careers. Elway lacked the supporting running game and Manning lacked a defense for awhile and that colored their performance in the playoffs while not taking anything away from their individual merits.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, no matter what A.O. does, they’re always going to find some way to claim that Crosby is bitter…er…better.
Notice how after Canada stomped Russia in the quarterfinals people stopped talking about the lousy, two-bit, no-talent hacks Crosby had to endure as his linemates?
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Reading that Wilbon column, I’m trying to figure out which of his comments is more delusional.
First, there’s this one:
All these folks writing and talking about the Winter Olympics and I haven’t seen a word of criticism directed at Ovechkin, famous as he is.
Ah, Mike, what alternate universe have you been living in these past 14 days? But as ridiculous as that Wilbon statement is, I thought this one was even more outrageous:
Ovechkin is damn lucky he’s not black and playing basketball; my brethren in the national (and local) media would have put on their Sunday church robes and preached him to death by now. We’d have read about “those thug basketball players” and such.
So now it’s all about race, Mike? How sad Wilbon’s life must be that everything has to be viewed through a black and white prism, even when it involves a Russian hockey player.
Wow. That skirts dangerously close to a racist remark.
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I don’t even understand what the hell he’s trying to say there.
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Me either, I don’t see a premise or a conclusion.
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Mike’s pointing out how pushing a camera in Vancouver, bringing guns to the locker room, shooting yourself at a nightclub with an unlicensed handgun, and buying land to slaughter dogs all are roughly equivalent, except the camera-pusher is white.
I can’t stay here and explain every little thing. Jeez.
by redlineblue on Mar 2, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It always seems to be about race with Wilbon, even when it isn’t. What’s ironic is this is a guy who grew up in an upper-middle class suburb of Chicago, went to private schools and graduated from Northwestern. I’m sure he’s experienced his share of racism, but it almost seems like he’s trying to gain street cred within the black community by constantly ranting on the subject.
I think I do, but he’s off the mark, as he is with the whole argument. There was no fight involved, there were no guns (legal or illegal) involved. Blowing off the media isn’t against the law, or even bad sportsmanship.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
That’s the funny thing about what Ovechkin did. That is tame compared to what football/basketball players do. Since it is hockey, it seems so much worse than it is.
Right, we’re in good shape if this is the big controversy of the day.
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Of course, there’s a real possibility that Wilbon is bored and looking for hits since the Wizards blow as badly as they do.
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Wilbon is clumsy at making a potentially valid point. Ovechkin’s behavior should be compared to his true equals: the faces of the sport in the other major sports. I feel that he’s getting just criticism that will quickly blow over for something that Peyton Manning or Michael Jordan would not do. LeBron James does do stupid stuff some times and I think he is fairly criticized when he screws up. Leaving the court after last year’s playoff loss, whining about refs sometimes, and his failure to man up and enter the dunk contest after he pledged to are sometimes when he’s taken minor media flak a la Ovie in this case.
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As a black Caps fan, I have to say that this kind of comment really reinforces how little Wilbon pays attention to hockey and how out of touch he is with the sport. Judge individuals by individual behavior, Wilbon. Caron Butler from the Wizards had heart and was a worthy player to root for and carried himself in a classy way. To me, it seems that he got a lot of praise for that and his career was not adversely affected by being black. “Thug basketball” players get called thug basketball players when they brings guns into the locker room.
I do feel that there is a real difference in the heart and caring between basketball and other sports, but it’s mostly due to the star driven nature of a 5 on 5 sport where players can play the whole game to the more team nature of other sports and has little difference with racial makeup. Consequently, basketball’s youth leagues can be about wooing physically freakish stars or guards with ridiculous speed for AAU and private school leagues rather than on developing the character and skills necessary for success and maturity. You get 1 LeBron James on your high school team and the whole program blows up and is branded. There’s also the issue of illegal professionalization that creates an air of dishonesty and distrust about prep basketball. OJ Mayo situations seem less likely to happen as a result.
To me the biggest racial disparity is that white baseball players and tennis players are presented with a choice to legally earn money in their sport as soon as they are able while black basketball players who in many cases desperately need money are required to play in a skillfully cost controlled system in college and lack a quality paid minor leagues. I love March Madness but there is a real plantation aspect to it in this way.
I get the sense that hockey development systems leagues don’t work that way and that the physical demands of playing the sport create character challenges and team trust that elevates the game and the players who participate. I think more than anything this is what has attracted me to hockey as a relatively recent convert.
I am very curious to know at what point in their careers youth hockey stars start making money. When do youth stars overseas and in America begin to earn money playing hockey and how much does it impact their career decisions?
Yes, Ovie is great and produces highlight reel goals. But NBC and their Sidney vs. Ovie pumping fail to show how as much as anything the Caps success this year has been more about increased responsibility and team trust as they settle into roles and system. How tough work to clear the puck or keep it in the zone can be as valuable as a superstar on many nights.
Didn’t mean to go on so long at this point in the arguement but I hope that more Americans of all colors will learn to appreciate hockey for the great sport that it is and that it’s success can rival the heart and passion of so many of its players.
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by souldrummer on Mar 2, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 26 recs
Terrific post (and rec’d), thank you. Many great points. I hadn’t thought about this but IMO you’re on to something here:
I get the sense that hockey development systems leagues don’t work that way and that the physical demands of playing the sport create character challenges and team trust that elevates the game and the players who participate.
Holy crap that’s awesome. A rec for you, sir.
It really, really varies from star to star. What team they’re on, the team’s need, their financial situation, and more all play into that. ECHL’s minimum is I think $400 a week? AHL is where salaries start becoming close to decent.
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Thank you much. It’s hard for me to contribute to the always outstanding discussion due to computer access sometimes (No laptop, computer in TV in different rooms) and wanting to make sure that I have something credible to contribute. Guys like Wilbon, Stephen A. Smith, and Stuart Scott bother me sometimes in that they suck a lot of the oxygen out of the room for credible black sports coverage from the major networks, and I felt that I had to respond to this because a lot of people are going to justifiably blast Wilbon.
What age do you have to be to start making money as a hockey player? What leagues are available to you? One of the things that’s been confusing to me about hockey is that I don’t fully understand the minor league feeder systems in the way that I understand basketball and football prep situation.
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Great post SD. Keep on keeping on.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure you can get into the AHL at 19. You can be in the NHL younger if you’re real real good or a crappy team needs you. There are also chances to play in Europe, but I know even less about those.
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I thought you could play in the A at 18 if you weren’t in the Canadian major juniors?
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Sounds right, yeah – I’m pretty sure that’s what kept SDR out of Hershey this year.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Which league is SDR in right now and do you have any idea how much he makes?
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SDR’s in major juniors (OHL I think – he plays for the Colts still, yes?) He played for Canada in the WJC.
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So hockey’s a full-time professional gig in major juniors? Where are hockey draft picks getting there money from?
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I’m no expert on the intricacies of daily life for a player in the OHL/WHL/QMJHL but they’re not paid (I’m pretty sure). Many live with host families and attend school where they play. I think. Don’t take this as definite fact.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 2, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think they get a minuscule stipend of like $90/week or something.
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Yeah, the CHL pays the players a very nominal stipend. Thats why players who play in the CHL can’t go on to play in the NCAA.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 2, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sorta OT, there’s also an educational assistance fund that players are eligible for until they play like 3 years of pro hockey.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
The CHL teams pay a basic stipend but the money that comes on top is from the NHL teams that sign them to a contract. So Eakin and SDR have their stipend from the CHL teams and then whatever the Caps have agreed to pay them on top for the time being.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I knew they got something to cover basic expenses, but not something which I would consider being paid a salary or making money.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 2, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Not everyone gets that though.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
The rules for control are also key too. Aren’t there NHL draft picks who play college hockey and remain under team control? That’s different from baseball.
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I think teams retain rights for 2 years. Used to be 4 years. I’m sure its in the CBA and I’m just too lazy to look it up.
the rules for baseball are complicated, as it depends on when you are drafted and if you’ve been drafted before. Trust baseball to make something as straightforward as a draft incredibly complicated.
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
If you draft an NCAA player you keep their rights until they graduate (or would graduate, I believe). If you can’t sign them after they finish college you get a compensatory pick. That’s what happened with Blake Wheeler.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure you know how it is the Swedish league!
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I’m pretty sure you can play in the SEL as soon as you’re good enough. There may be some age restriction, but it’s at 16 or younger if there is one. Plenty of 17 year olds have played SEL. Ice Warrior could clear this up I’m sure.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
If you are good enough to play you get to play. The youngest SEL player so far is Fredrik Möller (he never played in nhl) he was16 years old + 29 days. Bäckström is right up there with 16 years 10 months and 26 days.
The youngest player to score a goal is still Calle Johansson and he did it in his first game too, quite impressive.
by Ice Warrior on Mar 2, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
NCAA you can’t get paid at all. Except for the Canadian Major Junior leagues (OHL, QMJHL, WHL; collectively CHL) the Junior players don’t get paid. In the CHL the players get a stipend but the guys that are drafted and signed pro contracts get significantly more money than the guys that are nobodies. Guys like Tavares were being paid since 16. Guys that go NCAA don’t get paid until in their 20s.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hence why the european option is becoming more and more appealing for some basketball players.
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Right, and as those leagues get more competitive it won’t be so frowned upon by American scouts.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
But depending on your draft stock some guys get paid in the CHL. Some get paid much more than the ECHL guys get paid. I’m pretty sure Cody Eakin is drawing a nice check right now.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
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Thank you very much and I’m interested in where the “heart” from hockey players comes from. Is it inherent to the game itself or is it more a cultural product of the communities that give us hockey players?
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for many, leaving home at an early age & having to bond with strangers in a living arrangement. Much travel & long bus rides. I have always thought the road to hockey professionalism is more arduous than for other sports; the path does not seem as linear as with football/basketball to me.
As the parent of 3 hockey-playing sons, we have spent an inordinate amount of time devoted to the sport compared to when they play baseball, soccer, tennis or basketball. You cannot just go outside to a concrete pad, down to a school gym or out to a field to play. As we all are too aware around here lately, ice rinks are too few and far between. Therefore, we travel a lot, even in house leagues. We’ve stayed in many hotels and eaten hundreds of meals with other parents & the teams. On any Sat. or Sun., we often spend 6 hours or more getting to and from a single game — allowing for travel time each way (often more than an hour), pregame warmup (an hour early), the game itself, a meal (usually have missed a major meal in the process), and travel home. This is in a addition to 2 practices a week.
Lots of time for bonding & rehashing good/bad calls, terrific/horrid plays, etc. All the kids dream of becoming NHLers, but obviously very few will make it. But, the experience has been good and kept them out of trouble — we are with them most of the time. The lessons about teamwork, responsibility, disappointment, etc. have been invaluable (as can be true with any sport). Finally, the volunteers in the sport are the most AMAZING. Without many parents & even those without kids, but who love the sport, the clubs would not exist.
by Seminrocks on Mar 2, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks much with this (and Rec’d). This is something that I’ve been reflecting on a lot. Your thoughts on the high barrier of entry are particularly pertinent. IMO, hockey’s biggest barrier to growth in this country has been it’s high barrier of entry for youth sports. I want alternatives to football (too many injuries and physical trumps skill with specialized positions at pro) and basketball (AAU + diminishing public school is bad) for youth and high school sports. But I’m not sure if it’s cost effective for resource strapped communities to devote more resources to hockey in today’s funding environments. I get the sense that hockey may not be as strong as golf’s First Tee or baseball’s RBI program attracting underserved populations to the sport.
It sounds like from what you’re saying the limited resources and facilities create a bond of brotherhood and sense of community that is priceless.
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well, the barrier issue is real; you’re right. Hockey is logistically & financially challenging. When we first started I was astounded that it literally cost 10x the fee for baseball, not to mention the required gear (all bought second-hand at first).
You mentioned football: I would not let my sons play it, even though I’m from TX & it is king. My brother & his sons had too many injuries for my taste. People thought I was crazy I’d let them play hockey. I was opposed at first, but let them try it it hoping they would find it all too much trouble. Wrong. They are pretty well protected & we’ve only had 1 broken wrist & 1 possible concussion, plus minor sprains, etc., in 9 yrs. I think in football it would have been worse. However, one son has been on 2 teams with 2 femur breaks; teammates with various other arm/shoulder injuries & concussions through the years .
Our 2 older sons have worked with the Kids on Ice program at Fort Dupont to help kids learn to skate & play hockey. More programs like that are needed. They have a lot of used, donated equipment. But, still, getting to the rinks is the first challenge.
Our high schools in Fairfax Co. won’t touch it due to the cost & liability. Some schools have clubs, and others just say no.
In an email I suggested to Uncle Ted 2-3 years ago when AOL was in Rockefeller Plaza & NBC was broadcasting the NHL that they should have Mites on Ice (or Squirts, Pee Wees, etc) periodically during the Today Show to highlight & showcase youth hockey. At some point they did do something like this once & it included Mark Messier, but that was it.
Man 10X baseball is extremely pricey. That almost feels like lacrosse on ice.
So, in your opinion the limited number of rinks in the US is the biggest issue more so than the equipment? What are the ages of the kids int he Kids on Ice program and how far have kids recruited in the program gone in local hockey?
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Money and access to ice are huge barriers. Access isn’t just locak rinks. Kids in cold weather areas have ponds and backyard rinks. Kids in warm weather areas have none of that.
I’d add culture as well. This represents a broad range of things. Local culture, but also the culture/cultures the kid’s family comes from. Much tougher to get kids interested in a sport that their family or friends aren’t in to. It’s not impossible because I’ve seen it, but its much harder. This is true for almost any sport any place in the world.
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The issues are all related; one leads to the other. Building/owning/maintaining ice rinks is expensive, which means buying ice time is expensive. I am not involved in that for our club, but I believe it varies from $250-$400 per hour, with Kettler often the priciest. Our home rinks are Mount Vernon in FFX, Fort Dupont, & Tucker Rd. in Oxon Hill.
So, with fewer rinks, there is less ice time available, which makes it more expensive. Consequently, there’s less exposure & opportunity to play. Right now we are without the double rinks in PW Co. due to the snow, which is where our sons have played spring league & we play their travel teams. Fort Dupont is talking about cutting back this summer on their community programs, which would be a travesty. Now I hear the rink in Charlottesville may close; we play Blue Ridge there, too.
So, the registration fees are high compared to other sports, and the equipment costs are an added barrier. Hockey families are great at recylcing equipment, passing it down & around to get all possible use out of it. Still, kids grow & need bigger skates, pads, etc. And sticks break!
The ages for Kids on Ice are 5-18. I do not know how far the kids have gone in local hockey, but as with most youth sports, including the ones in which we are involved, the main idea is to teach life lessons, have an outlet for physical activity, keep busy, and learn to do something you can do for the rest of your life.
They have an intro to hockey program here in PHX that they’ve been doing for a number of years. Great way to have kids try out the sport. It’s called Kids First.
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It’s not just the number of rinks. Seminrocks names a bunch of local rinks below, and there are even more. Where I grew up playing (Long Island) there were three rinks within half an hour drive. And another 3 within about an hour. The bigger issue is that Long Island has ridiculously high energy costs and humid air. Humid air makes it very hard to maintain the ice so even if there were enough rink for people to get ice whenever they wanted, the cost would still be high just because of maintenance.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Great take, but I dispute the plantation comment. The vast majority of NCAA basketball (and football) players never get to play pro, but still get their education. It’s not like they get nothing out of the deal. Plus, if the NCAA wants to remain amateur I don’t know how else you go about it. I agree that there should be minor professional leagues for the NBA and NFL, but that’s a separate issue and I don’t think it’s fair to indict the NCAA system because of it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
why not? The NCAA doesn’t want to see the NBA and NFL get viable minor leagues. The best players would go to the professional minors, not the NCAA. The NCAA stands to lose absurd amounts of money if that were to happen.
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True, but until you hear about the NBA and NFL actually trying to establish minor leagues and the NCAA somehow blocking it I don’t think it’s their fault. They have self-interest, but haven’t even had to act on it. To my knowledge the NFL and NBA have never really tried to establish minor leagues. The NBA has the summer league, but that obviously doesn’t compete with the NCAA. Maybe the NCAA is blocking it behind the scenes, but I have no reason to think that. And you know I’m about as anti-NCAA as anyone so I’m not just giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Plantation is an inflammatory word and you’re justified in disliking how I’m using it. I just get so upset that basketball players don’t have choice. The NBA does not want a minor league because Isaiah Thomas ran the CBA into the ground and said minor league would have to compete with NCAA and loyal alumni. The NBA cannot figure out a way to develop players while they are on NBA rosters. And European teams are not about developing high school players adjusting to culture shock. To me, it’s a very big problem, one that Stern has failed on and one that the NCAA profits off of. I think that the NHL system works so well because it offers choices and allows the market to make those choices. Also, it seems to me to be fairly consistent and with open access to players internationally.
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There are definitely avenues for Europeans to play in North America in both the CHL and NCAA. I think you’re dead on with the market choices aspect. The CHL isn’t for everyone, and NCAA isn’t for everyone. Some guys just need some time to grow and develop their game before turning pro, and the NCAA allows that. I don’t follow the NBA at all so I had no idea they had talked about a minor league and chosen not to do it. I have some friends from LSU and they swear that the NFL will never be able to get a minor league because the NCAA alumni base would revolt. That’s ridiculous IMO.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
They had a minor league. Isaiah Thomas ran it into the ground as he did the Toronto Raptors, and Indiana Pacers, and New York Knicks. Now they have a Developmental League that’s sort of a minor league except that you can’t bypass college to go into the D-League. In the bargaining agreement you have to wait one year after you high school graduating class to play in the NBA or its pro affiliates. We know why they did this. Minor Leagues are expensive (baseball’s works because major league teams pay many high end salaries) and the straight to NBA path was creating players who were an embarassment to the league and improperly developed.
But the flip side is that college teams have to choose between being quasi pro entitites that pay coaches not players and getting the best players for a short time or being system oriented programs that embrace at least development of players and in even rarer cases development of men.
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Alex Ovechkin is a fun, dynamic guy and all, but based on Olympic outcomes, in what scenario do the Capitals beat out the Penguins in the East? I guess as a Caps fan you just hope someone else knocks Pittsburgh out before a potential rematch of last year’s classic tilt.
In the scenario that:
- Crosby is not on the most stacked team in decades
- Ovechkin’s not surrounded by non-NHL talent (players or otherwise)
- Ovechkin’s on a team that is coached by someone more competent than FDR’s tax policy.
- Bykov is not involved.
And the shootout is not clutch.
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Oh, and a situation where the shootout is not involved.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 2, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
Even if they lost in a SO, they’ll still get half a win.
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
You’re missing the first step!
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by Scott in Shaw on Mar 2, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I love how many people here have caught on to that. Hysterical.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be thrilled if someone else knocked out the Pens, but I can imagine many such scenarios. The most obvious one is where these teams, and not the Caps and Pens of last year, play each other. Another would be where the Caps have a healthy defensive corps. And those are just the two completely obvious ones.
The only one’s I could see knocking the Pens out before we’d get a shot at them would be the Sabers or Devils. I know Elliot has been playing well lately, but I have this feeling that when the Sens get to the postseason they are going to fold like a pair of deuces before a royal flush.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 2, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I think the Devils could do it – not so sure about the Sabres. I’d love to see either of them get a shot before us. I’m not really sure what to make of the Sens, but I’m inclined to agree.
I didn’t think the Sabres could do it, until I saw how out of his mind Ryan Miller played in the Olympic tournament. If he has gas in the tank I think he can do it to the Pens again. Unfortunately that also means I fear he could do it to us too.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 2, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
We’ve done pretty well against Miller this season. I’m less worried.
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True, but I’m not so sure Miller couldn’t turn it up another level. The reason the Sabres don’t worry me as much as other teams though is that they can’t score. If Miller plays well I have confidence we can take a series from them where the average score is 2-1 or 3-2.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 2, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Miller is a great, great goalie, the best in the game today. At the same time, I think both the Pens and the Caps have enough scoring to beat him and the Sabres over 7 games. I like our chances a little better due to the PP issue but either way, his skaters will have to step up and excel to win a series against either PIT or WSH.
If the Caps get matched up with the Pens...
…the Pens go down this year. The Caps are a better team than the Penguins right now. The won-loss record, the stats, the head to head all show that. It will be which team stays healthiest if they meet, and if the Caps are as healthy as the Pens, then the Caps will be the team advancing.
It won’t be an easy series, but all things equal, the Caps are better right now.
Let's go Caps!
well, all things equal (that is, no injuries) there is no excuse for losing to Pittsburgh this year. The Caps are simple better — better offense, better power play, as efficient in goaltending (in terms of goals against), as good a defense, and they are likely to have home ice again
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It certainly did for the D corp. The injury toll among them read: Green (mono and shoulder), Poti (broken foot), Erskine (broken foot), Morrisonn (can’t recall but he was playing hurt). Schultz (was out in the Ranger series). We’re talking over 2/3. No wonder we had no team speed — with 2 guys with broken feet.
In spite of Gonchar playing hurt, I somehow doubt that the Pens had the same amount of injuries on the blue line.
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The Caps were probably a better team than the Pens the day before last year’s deadline, too.
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Exactly. Complacency is a killer – the Pens have been anything but at the deadline in recent years and have had a lot of playoff success. If the Caps don’t do anything (or anything beyond getting a guy like Sutton), after clearing all of this cap room and holding all of these moveable assets, I will be baffled.
I still say if 1) the Caps were healthier, and 2) they hadn’t just played a grueling 7-game series against NYR, Game 7 would have had a much different outcome (not necessarily a Caps win, but def not a Pens blowout). The Pens didn’t win that series because they were the better team, they won it because the Caps were just dried up.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 2, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Based on Olympic outcomes, in what scenario does Team Russia beat the Capitals? Maxim Afinagenov isn’t a top 6 player on the Caps. Our D isn’t really any worse than the Russian D. The way that team was coached, the Caps could probably have beaten Team Russia even if we gave Russia Ovechkin or Semin.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hey look, Evgeny Artyukhin is back in the Southeast. FWIW.
As for Crosby not knowing who ShaMo is- ShaMo could fix that and I would thoroughly enjoy every second of it.
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Maybe Waddell still thinks they can make the playoffs? Not sure what Artyukhin brings to the table to make that reality though.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Artyukhin brings a very large body to the table, and everywhere else he goes. He’s also as strong as an ox, but really doesn’t have a clue when it comes to how hockey is played. If he ever figures out what his role is (which should be go to the front of the net, arrive angry) then he might be a salvageable player.
Let's go Caps!
Not that they’re on the same level, but Chara was like that his first few years in the league. Big, lumbering guy that just needed to learn how to use his body in the NHL.
I can’t remember how good of a skater Artyukhin is, but I do know Chara worked summers improving his skating sometimes.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Chara didn’t have rocks for brains and didn’t have an NHL ready skill set immediately. Artyukhin doesn’t have to get physically better, he’s got the tools. He just needs to put it together in his brain, and I don’t see that happening.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think he could be a great player if given third line minutes. He’d just have to stop running guys and focus on using his size and surprising speed. He has the touch to score, but is usually too worried about slew footing guys and yapping at the bench.
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Plant him in front of the net and let him score off his hockey haunches.
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He’s easier to move than AO’s or Knubie’s haunches are.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
To move Ovie’s haunches you just need Russian Techno playing.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 2, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
these articles make it seem like there has been a 10 year long series of beat downs by crosby’s pens and ovie’s caps. when in fact the two guys teams have met once in post season play, a series that went all seven games where both guys played well and the pens prevaled.
in the olympics it seems folks forget that half ovie’s team were non NHLer’s. Non-NHLers for a reason. If the Pens played the Caps but they Caps had 9 guys who should be in Hershey, would folks say Ovie choked or that he was on a flawed team?
not getting the connection between ovie’s olympic results and the caps playing the pens. gonchar was on the russian team too…
this seems to be the downside of being a gregarious fun-loving, larger than life guy. folks are looking for you to fail to bring you down a peg. if you are milquetoast like some others, folks seem less likely to want to pounce on your failures.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
This is also because of the internet age. Everything in the present is blown way out of proportion as the biggest thing we’ve ever seen. Bird lost to Magic the first two times they met, but Bird’s time came and history remembers a great rivalry. I fully expect the same to happen to Ovie.
by kman8924 on Mar 2, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This goes at one of my pet peeves. The overemphasis on individual athletes in team sports. A number of athletes across the team sports spectrum were criticized early in their careers for not having more success in the playoffs. I remember when MJ and Stevie Y were getting blasted early in their careers for not winning titles. It was ridiculous. It’s even more ridiculous because they play in team sports. If you don’t take into account a player’;s experience, their coach, and their teammates then its not discussion worthy IMO. Take the Magic vs Bird thing. If they weren’t on teams with guys like Worthy, Kareem, Scott, DJ, McHale, and Parish they wouldn’t have won squat.
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by CP2Devil on Mar 2, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So much of this has to do with the real purpose of sports in America: translating the joy of victory into the branding of products. Team’s don’t attract advertising dollars individuals do. The one thing that’s a slight thing about this now is that with free agency individuals with certain power can choose their teams to some extent and choose how much they value winning, stability, and duckets. Shaq leaving Orlando to get rings is an example of this. Jordan influencing the Bulls direction for complementary players through the veiled threat of departure if they don’t win is similar as well.
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I disagree, both teams and individuals attract ad dollars. Depends on how the brands(teams and individuals) are doing and have done historically. I always think networks do a poor job promoting sports by emphasizing individuals too much. It can hurt brands and TV when this happens. See Tiger Woods. PGA & networks ridiculous emphasis in both marketing and in event coverage on one golfer has now put them in a bad spot. What is funny to me is that never has the tour had a more interesting assortment of characters since the days of Chi-Chi, Trevino, Player, Palmer, and Nicklaus.
Free agency certainly helps a star player force deals that may help them win championships. Your Bulls example was an excellent one. See Cleveland this season as well. However, it doesn’t guarantee a title. Winning titles is still a combo of ingredients no one person can control. Ask anyone who has won a title on any level and they’ll tell you some luck was involved. Whether it be an official’s call, a season with very few injuries, coach’s health, etc.
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by CP2Devil on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How do teams attract ad dollars? How do those dollars compare to those that individual earn? I guess that this is related to the luxury box issue and branding issues and visibility opportunities for winning teams like the Caps vs. sad sack organizations like the present Nats who can’t get a name for their stadium.
By the way, I do agree with your overall point in that I prefer great teams and the synergy of the Caps to the Gilbert as savior that the Wizards sold us before this season. Also, I’m enjoying watching the Nats go about building their team brick by frustrating brick.
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They attract ad dollars by the value of that team’s brand. Redskins are a great example of this. The Phoenix Suns, where I live, are another great example. They both do a great job selling their brand, as well as having large fanbases. Some teams do a better job of marketing their brand than others, as well as looking outside their traditional market. Cowboys and the Raiders have always done this well.
Most of the focus on individuals is supposed to help lure in the casual fans. I find this somewhat amusing because these fans, many of whom become hardcore fans down the road, could also be attracted by a number of ofther things. Marketing individuals become the rage after MJ’s marketing explosion in the 80’s. It’s not like there wasn’t individual marketing of sports stars before that, but that is when it exploded.
You can sell a rebuild if fans trust you. Think O’s in mid 80’s. If they don’t then its extremely hard. Think O’s currently.
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Football is always an outlier in team marketing to me and doesn’t compare but so well to other sports. There’s the helmets, the fact that it’s a separate offense squad, defense squad, and special team’s squad.
Phoenix is a really powerful example, though. You mean even with two-time MVP Steve Nash they do a good job of pushing their team over Nash?
I have so much respect for the Suns and I really believe one of the tragedies for the NBA is that they haven’t broken through and won a championship so that other teams would try to copy them. Instead, Boston won and now it’s “how can we get a Big 3?”
Similar thing for the NHL with the Caps. Bettman has got to be a Caps fan in so many ways because it’s a rare case of a growing market. The NHL is fortunate that a great player got placed in a market that is on the cusp of being a hockey town. It has enough loyal fans and tradition to make it authentic but enough potential new heads to make it potentially blow up. Contrast that with a Kovalchuk in Atlanta (too pathetic a market for him to grow) or a hypothetical Ovie in Montreal (hockey crazy to begin with) and you see how both DC and Bettman are blessed to have Ovie with the Caps.
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Suns have always pushed team and players both. I think people who haven’t lived here don’t appreciate what a brand it is. People in this town that aren’t even hard core basketball or sports fans are apt to know the names of some Suns role players. People like and appreciate Nash, but their loyalty, like most sports fans over the age of 10, is to the team not the player. Sure everyone has their favorite player/s, but when push comes to shove its team first.
You can always grow a market if you are savvy about it. Certainly you can’t lose forever, but if you run a decent franchise and understand how to build relationships with businesses and the community you can market well.
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Never been to Phoenix so I didn’t know about that. Will always remember how the Knicks almost single handedly rebuilt the Suns in the awful Marbury trade.
As a hockey fan in Phoenix who roots for the Caps(?), what is your stance on the Coyotes?
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Suns fans will be eternally gratefully for the Knicks taking several players off their hands. Not just Steph, but Quentin Richardson as well.
Coyotes are the other team I root for. They will always have a special place in my heart as I met my wife because of a Yotes playoff game back in ’97.
A group of my friends, including me, had season tickets for a number of years starting with the year they arrived in town. However, between the poor management of the team once Gretzky’s group arrived (not that it was run great beforehand, but there was a difference) and the move to Glendale the group, which by that time was really only 2 of my friends, disbanded.
Coyotes have done an uneven job marketing the franchise over the years. The last 2 years under Moyes were horrible. This year the NHL has definitely upped the marketing budget and has tried to better engage people here in town with a much better ad campaign and more innovative ways to get people in the seats. Part of this is due to the harm done to franchise last summer.
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Your comments on Gretsky’s group are ominous for those who hope that MJ will save the Bobcats.
Got to believe the rise of the Cardinals has sucked some of the oxygen out of the room for the Coyotes as well. Weren’t the Coyotes mentioned as getting a post Olympic uptick in ticket sales? Is that true? Due to the Olympics or focused marketing post break?
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He won’t save them unless a lot of luck is involved based on what I saw with the Wiz. Why people think just because someone is good at one thing (playing a sport) means they’ll be good at another (management) befuddles me to no end.
Cards hurt a bit recently, but I have always thought the Suns hurt more. They are the biggest name in town and play at the same time as the Yotes. Other sports in town don’t help either, but the Suns are the 800 lb. Gorilla (no pun intended).
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Nashville had a 10% bump in ticket sales.
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Contrast that with a Kovalchuk in Atlanta (too pathetic a market for him to grow)
I disagree. I still think the ATL market has a ton of potential, and the market isn’t the problem. If ATL didn’t have one of the worst ownership groups, riddled with in-fighting, leading to the worst GM in the league, the ATL story would have played out very differently. They need to settle the ownership dispute and fire GMDW before we can even begin to fairly evaluate the ATL market.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t know enough about the ownership situation to fully comment on that. It just seems to me in general that ATL lags on support for their teams and isn’t that passionate a fan base given how the Braves won. Now they have one of the greatest goal scorers in the NHL and they still can’t draw when Ovie comes to town. Don’t know how you make it work there.
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Regarding your Hershey point, they’d say Ovechkin choked.
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Who/what is everyone following for deadline stuff? I’m sticking with Dreger and McKenzie’s twitter feeds
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:33 AM EST reply actions
Just refreshing tradecentre every once in a while.
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That’s really awesome they are covering the entire TSN Trade Spectacularrrrrrrreeeeee on NHL Net tomorrow. I wish I could be home to watch it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
They stream it online I think (did that last year @ work, er…)
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Few things on TV are funnier than McKenzie furiously working a computer in the background while his colleagues are talking on air.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Basically the only site any computer I’m on for the past several years is allowed to show on deadline day.
This year I’ll have Tweetdeck open too.
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Boss has been away last 3 trade deadline weeks in Carolina on vacation. i couldn’t be happier.
I rotate b/w McKenzie, Dreger and the TSN feeds. Especially Bob McK
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Nice. Allows for focus on what is truly important.
Bob McKenzie is the gold standard for hockey reporters IMO.
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Totally. Level-headed not bombastic. And rarely jumps to premature conclusions.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
And if you are talking prospects at the draft you’re a fool if you listen to anyone but him. I remember when people thought the Caps were way off the board with Mackan but when McKenzie gave his approval (even if not completely glowing) I felt confident. This year that pick looks even better.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Dreger is @darrendreger? I already got McKenzie. I think this’ll be enough for me, too, since a lot of the rest of what’s out there will be rumor. Figure have Dreger, McKenzie, and @washcaps sent to my cell via SMS ought to be enough.
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Yup on Dreger’s twitter.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Official Caps tweets @washcaps will be well behind others if history serves as a guide.
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I’m keeping Corey on standby.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but t hat doesn’t bother me so much. I’m not likely to be able to be up to the minute given my work situation and I’d rather it be reliable than fast.
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Then just
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Well, that’s because they can’t tweet anything until it’s official. The rest of the world has the unofficial version long before that.
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Sure. I’m personally okay with that, because I’m going to be limited in what I can get due to work constraints unless I’m really lucky. I’m looking for a high signal-to-noise ratio in my Twitter feed for the deadline.
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If I’m at my desk, which I may not be. I am today, but I’m starting a new contract that is a startup and an unholy mess, so I may be away from my desk for a lot of the day on deadline day.
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Gotcha. Today could be crazy, anyway. Nashville has 24 NHL players right now and I’m guessing somebody goes before puck drop tonight.
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I was stuck at work deadline day 2 years ago well into the night. I tried to check Tradecentre as often as I could, which at times wasn’t very often, but had a friend text me about any reported Caps deals.
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I ran out of work early when we got Huet and Fedorov.
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danced in the street? screamed uncontrollably in a fit of joy?
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
“SERGEI FUCKING FEDOROVVVV! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!” and then I tore my shirt off and the people at work were very confused.
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by jordanDC on Mar 2, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
seems like a reasonable reaction to me.
especially since at the beginning of the day i was saying to a friend that we had someone like Huet in net we could make a serious run. and then it happened. and the SFF (Sergei Fuckin’ Fedorov), one of my favorite players, was acquired for nearly nothing.
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Just to clarify: "Sergei Fucking Fedorov "is not related to “Fucking Tom Poti.”
by patred48 on Mar 2, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Teddy Ruth is 8th on the CBJ depth chart for D prospects. Rocking a beautiful 6.5C.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I was stunned. I couldn’t stop grinning. Someone at work asked why I was so happy and I explained that the Caps got Feds, Huet, and Cooke. They had no clue what I was talking about.
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I’m with you CP, I remember a co-worker mentioning the Caps got Huet for a 2nd rounder and I was stunned and smiling. And then we got Feds and Cooke. Pure rosterbation bliss and afterglow.
Then came last and how excited I was the night before when TSN reported that the Caps were on the verge of attaining Guerin from NYI and being in shock when the Pens snagged him instead. I kept hoping we would get a D-man like Leopold or Montador and nothing happened.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Nice. I figure between Dreger, Mirtle, washcaps, and McKenzie, I should be able to get the goods without killing my phone, and that will be enough.
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Who/what is everyone following for deadline stuff? I’m sticking with Dreger and McKenzie’s twitter feeds
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:34 AM EST reply actions
And double posting
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Twitter really does seem to be the way to go for the deadline.
I’d follow these guys if I were you, they’re all hockey journalists in the know or player agents. I’ve bolded the must follows.:
mirtle</strong>
@kuklaskorner
@PHTonNBC
@reporterchris
@Russostrib
@walsha
<strong>kausatoday
adater
<strong>CraigCustance
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d'oh
That should’ve been preveiwed, thats f-d up.
Just follow these guys
@mirtle
@kausatoday
@CraigCustance
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Good heavens….I think your post melted.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville...
makin’ moves! Grebeshkov from the Oilers…
the HamHouse (h/t SteckelMeElmo’s) wheel turns and turns, where will it stop?
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Heard that one late last night. I’ve actually got a strong suspicion that it might be Washington, based solely on the silence. From what Chris Burton said, Poile loves silence as much as McPhee does, so that’s a rumor-frustrating duo made in heaven.
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Yeah, guess how much anyone heard about the Grebeshkov deal? Zero, zilch, nada. I heard about it on Twitter about 10 minutes before the press release.
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Rumblings out of Canada that Hamhuis to Flyers deal done but not announced. “Not true at all,” says Flyers GM P. Holmgren this morning
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We all know about GM speak, though. I don’t believe much of it.
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i cannot put into words how much i hate the Flyers.
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
As much as the Nazis?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope this doesn’t go down, primarily because I don’t like to see the Flyers improve their roster and because I don’t want to have to hate DH.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Not buying it. I can’t remember a deal happening after so much foreplay.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Thats sure as hell what it looks like, though the GMs are playing poker right now by saying we needed Grebeshkov anyway…which I think is BS. Grebs is a 2nd pair player who does what DH does, just not quite as well. He’s 100% the type of guy we needed to trade Dan.
We’ve got 24 players on the roster right now, so something has to give before they submit their rosters for the game or whatever it is they do.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 2, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
And you got credit you didn’t deserve to boot!
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 2, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I bet we end up with somebody completely unexpected at the deadline. Like Lucic.
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if he wasn’t always getting hurt, he might be worth the $$. I could see Boston trading him for more pure offense, however.
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta replace floaty Ryder somehow.
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i heard this guy Sloan we have is pretty damn good. he’s floaty and swingy.
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno if anybody else was there yesterday, or if it’s been mentioned, but Backstrom fucking DROPPED Sloan in practice yesterday. It was one of those sneaky counter-hits in the corner where it looks like Nicky barely flinched.. put Sloan down violently. Sloan looked pissed and embarrassed, and Ovechkin howled approval.
Laich and Steckel also got into a brief dust-up regarding a hit in the corner.
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by jordanDC on Mar 2, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope the edginess carries to their few games
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahahah. Ovi and Lars playing “anything you can do, I can do better?”
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This is Nick’s way of asking McPhee to send Alzner back
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by wickedwitch on Mar 2, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ovechkin howled approval
Nice to hear about Ovi being Ovi again, all this Ovechkin negativity was really starting to get to me.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 2, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Floaty Ryder would make a good band name
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
shawty got low low low low low low low low
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by Scott in Shaw on Mar 2, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Ovie’s empty net goals, I don’t remember all 4 of them, but at least 2 were amazing plays. One where he shot it all the way down ice from the devensive blue line, and the other where he out-muscled Pronger a-la Kessler in the Olympics.
You had me at no problem.
Plus if you’re on the ice in the last minute you have to mind the defensive end a little. Sometimes I half-jokingly call him Empty Net Alex, but to be in that position speaks well of him.
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When facing a 5-on-6 late in the game, what a team should do is have on the ice their best PK unit as well as their most rested scorer. The PKers will hopefully provide enough D, and the scorer will be able to bury the puck in the empty net.
Always remember kids: An Empty Net Goal = 2 Points in the Standings.
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Right, he doesn’t get his ENGs by sitting at the red line leaving his team 2 men down in the D zone. He gets them by getting control of the puck in the defensive zone, getting it out of the zone then putting it in the net.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 2, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
At the end of game 1 against PHI he was out with the PHI goalie pulled. He didn’t score an ENG but he won a puck battle on the wall, cleared the puck, and laid Mike Richards flat on his back. I’m not sure any other person on our team could have made that play. Against CZE he out-dueled two players to get the puck clear so Datsyuk could ice the game. He won’t win a Selke but he can still make plays defensively. (Or he can watch Shea Weber blow by…)
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda want Jurcina back, but in one regard, he had an even +/- on a team that had a generally high +/-… but I liked the way he played in Vancouver, and I was sad to see him go to CBJ in the trade.
If they oculd bring em back for a 3rd or 4th rounder, I wouldn’t mind seeing him back in red.
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by jordanDC on Mar 2, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s the only way I’d be ok with taking Jurcina back.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 2, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Friends: I’m in a deep fantasy league and have Neuvirth….Should I keep him? With Varlamov and Theodore healthy it doesn’t appear Neuvirth will be back any time soon.
Safe to drop him? Should I hold onto him until after the deadline just in case?
I have other goalies (Fleury and Brian Elliott) but I have guys coming off the IR so I need to drop someone. If Neuvirth isn’t in the NHL, he’s no good to a fantasy owner.
(This isn’t a keeper league or anything).
Thanks for the help/advice.
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Drop him. If one of our goalies gets moved, it’ll be a surprise to most of us.
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Yeah, I’m not expecting that either….I think the reason to hold him for just a little while, like Jordan said would be to make sure that Varlamov is all healed up
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Yeah, but isn’t Elliott a #1 also? Seems a little overly fretting, especially if you’re doing well in G numbers, and I’d guess even if Varlamov re-injures something (or injures something new), Neuvirth isn’t going to magically take the starting torch over full-time.
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It’s a league of some SBN bloggers, so everyone’s finger is on the pulse….Just wanted to make sure I didn’t look like a fool by dropping a guy who could get some games in.
This won’t make or break me, I just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss any news or anything
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Gotcha. I’m trying to use fantasy football logic on this anyway, and I haven’t used that in a couple years.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 2, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I’d also guess that Theodore gets the first crack at maintaining the starter job if Varlamov does go down again, given his play during their winning streak. So all in all I think it’s going to be tough for Neuvirth to get a significant number of starts in the last 20 games.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
The Caps are very unlikely to move a goalie in the coming days unless another goalie comes along (i.e a deal for Vokoun…). Neuvy will get some time if Varly is still hurting. I don’t think he is, since he played a conditioning game for Hershey over the weekend and looked pretty good.
I would hang onto him for now, but if nothing changes for the Caps, he can probably be let go.
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by CP2Devil on Mar 2, 2010 9:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just saw on a Pittsburgh sports site that the Flyers are trying to land Hamhuis today. Apparently, they are giving up Parent and Coburn in order to land Hamhuis and sign him long-term.
Not sure how much validity is in this rumor, or how much sense it makes, but it is the Flyers…..so you never know.
if that is who they’re willing to give up, they are f’in mad.
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Link please. I’m going to stick a pencil through my eye if its Hamhuis for Parent and Coburn.
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wouldn’t like this deal? really?
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville wants all the D. The other team can’t win if they can’t ever score!
Poile is a fool if he trades Dan’s HamHouse for a 2 more D when he already traded for Grebeshkov. Nashville needs O.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 2, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
sure, but
You don’t win games 0-0, and thats what they’d be if we iced Weber, Suter, Klein, Franson, Grebeshkov, Coburn, and Parent.
Gaaaaahhh.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I can understand if you missed it, but sarcasm my friend. Nashville’s problem is getting the puck in the other net, not keeping it out of theirs.
While they win on talent in that deal it’s still a very dumb move by Poile, unless he plans to flip 2 of those D for better offensive packages.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 2, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Even if it was sarcasm, your point still stands because all Poile seems to want is defensemen, in the draft or otherwise and its beginning to piss me off.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
The sarcasm wasn’t so much towards the tactic as it was towards the implication that the tactic could work.
I honestly don’t know what Poile is thinking. As is well known and documented, their D is young, and it is awesome. Their O … well, that’s an entirely different issue.
Seems to be a strange move from Philly’s perspective. I won’t claim to be familiar with their prospect pool, but as far as I can tell, they’ve got a plethora of offensive talent, and past a few blueliners they don’t really have much on the back end. And then there’s D.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 2, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
See, it seems like they already have a solid top 5. Pronger, Timonen, Coburn, Carle, and Parent are a great set. This is just incredibly confusing.
Yeah, when your forward talent pool starts with Giroux and JVR, you’re in good shape. I wouldn’t complain if one of those guys was sent our way, but as we know thats pretty doubtful.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
And Coburn and Hamhuis are both FA, but Coburn is cheaper now and RFA so he should be cheaper to re-sign than Hamhuis. It makes no sense. Coburn is also younger so you expect him to get better.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Poile has always been a “defense first” GM. When he was the GM here in Washington in the 1980s the teams were noted for their all-star defensive corps: Langway, Stevens, Murphy were all three hall of fame defenseman on the roster at the same time. Toss in Kevin Hatcher (not Hall of Fame, but he was an All-Star several times). Also he had several other good defensemen at any given time: Rouse, Tinordi, Iafrate, Reekie, Gonchar… the guy knows how to get good backliners.
Of course, when you trade two hall-of-famers in one trade, there’s an issue… in 1989 he traded Larry Murphy and Mike Gartner for Bob Rouse and Dino Cicciarelli. BIg trade, but it didn’t help the Caps in the playoffs, as they went out in round 1….
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He also turned those first round picks from Scott Stevens into Gonchar, Brendan Witt, Nolan Baumgartner, Miika Elomo and Trevor Halverson.
In other words….BLAH.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
You can flip us Coburn for Flash…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Link please. I’m going to stick a pencil through my eye if its Hamhuis for Parent and Coburn.
Actually, if its Parent alone, I’ll stick a pencil in my eye.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
There’s a guy in Pittsburgh who’s like an Eklund-lite. (I won’t advertise his site by mentioning the name). I’d be leery of this report, if it’s coming from who I think it’s coming from his success rate is about 0% for Penguin news, let alone NHL news.
Wayne Gretzky had it wrong: 100% of the shots Gary Roberts doesn't take DO go in.
I do follow his site, but he does throw a lot out there. I am always leery of what he reports. However, on the past two trade deadlines, he has been on top of things. Often, I heard what went down from him before anyone. You can never say that about Eklund.
The best thing about Eklund is how whenever Wyshynski mentions him, he also links to that Fanhouse post about him. Hysterical.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Dregar’s trade blog says Parent is the asking price for DH. They’d be dumb to give up Coburn unless they think they have no chance of signing him in the offseason.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
dellis39 Chelios might be back in the league with ATL. Congrats to the Greek god
I have to say, the guy is amazing. Good for him if he can still play.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 9:59 AM EST reply actions
Bizarre. Anything to keep him out of the PA offices, I say.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 2, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Ensure sales skyrocket in Fulton County
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by ThePeerless on Mar 2, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
‘Ensure’ in a post about Chelios seems awfully fitting.
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Well… it Depends.
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by MikeL-Caps on Mar 2, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wow. i was sitting here for a good 4 minutes trying to think of an appropriate “adult diaper” joke.
and u beat me. Well Done lad
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They also have to make sure they make room on the plane for his girlfriend, Geri Tol.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Hope this doesn’t offend anyone, but Fulton County is a wasteland. Spent most of my life around that area and getting out was the best decision I ever made.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I hate the Braves.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Hate their dominance of the Nationals, you mean?
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
If I hated everyone for their dominance of the Nationals, i’d hate every team in the NL. I’ve always hated the Braves, but this is also OT.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
nah, you wouldn’t hate the Mets. they have some sort of severe hang-up about the Nats.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
That would explain hating the entire league, not the Braves in particular.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 2, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Horrible, horrible sports town. They’ve had some really really good teams get horrible attendance in what is a large and fairly wealthy market. The Braves dominate the south baseball-wise, and they have TBS, so they do well financially, but almost any other sports team in that market is going to do horribly
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Actually (and meet me in OT if you want to pursue this further), the college teams do quite well. The Hawks field an excellent team, but get poor attendance, the Falcons are competitive, can’t get a new stadium, and the Braves have maintained a winning culture since the early 90’s but still can’t fill the stadium.
Several ATL teams had awful ownership problems, too. I don’t understand how good teams can do so poorly off the field/ice/court in such a huge city.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Why do the Falcons need a new stadium? The Georgia Dome is only 18 years old, and was just renovated in 2006
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
He owns Home Depot. Tell that knucklehead to go do some shoppin’ and build his own stupid arena.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, does this mean they can move another defenseman? Like Kubina? To the Caps?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, the Kings have enough young assets to make that deal happen. And it’d be a good deal for them too (if they can get him to waive his NTC).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Then they could get rid of LOLderi
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His GA/60 is actually slightly better than Doughty’s is, against tougher competition, but that Corsi is cringe-inducing
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
It’s Don Waddell..More likely Bogosian to the Caps.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
i’d poop my pants and be ok with it
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I’d eat my hat
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Going to school. . .
Here’s to seeing a solid blue-liner or veteren center when i get back. . .
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 2, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
STOP REC’ING THE POT!!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
anytime
I figured y’all’d like that one, these rumor guys love the vague stuff. “McPhee in talks with several teams over roster tweaks” or “Poile talking to Philly. Parent may be involved, may not”.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Locker on Mike Wise right now
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Sorta mildly related to Locker:
@capsmedia Tomorrow’s game at BUF will be on CSN in the DC area, MSG in the Buffalo area and VERSUS elsewhere.
@capsmedia VERSUS viewers will get Joe B and Locker’s call as they pick up the CSN feed.
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I thought that might make the nationwide Caps fans happy.
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Blue Jackets and Isles swap AHLers
The Columbus Blue Jackets acquired center Greg Moore from the New York Islanders in exchange for defenseman Dylan Reese.
(via TSN)
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boooooo
"Three teams have made offers on Hamhuis, and they have not been accepted," said a source close to the situation. "Dan wants to stay in Nashville. At this point, it looks like the Predators are going to keep him."
The sources said that Poile told three clubs – believed to be the Flyers, Boston and either New Jersey or Toronto – that unless someone "knocks his socks off," he would not move Hamhuis.\
C’mon DP…show me something. No reason we needed Grebs for this shit.
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uh, quote fail
quotes close after “move Hamhuis”
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, rats, but why did they acquire Grebeshkov, then? Nashville needs scoring, not more D.
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exactly
I’m still convinced that he goes, but this stuff is making me antsy. CSN Philly doesn’t seem to be the most accurate group of journalists. You’ll note not a whisper out of any Nashville camps.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
The Philly hockey coverage in general is terrible. The boys at BSH will be the first to tell you that. I wouldn’t pay much attention to anything coming from there.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Aw shit is Poile wearing socks again.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
i don’t get why either NJ or TOR would need him
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
maybe they’re worried about Martin not resigning? UFA after this yr…
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
NJ could use another sniper
Bradley for Martin?
Will players do you think be less drawn to NJD as Brodeur’s time comes to a close? Will Lou Lamoriello step away soon?
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just saying it now, if Lou steps away it should seriously take away from his legacy. The guy has done some amazing things, starting way before he got to NJD, and he won those 3 Cups, but leaving when Marty gets old and leaving your successor with an out-dated system, a poor prospect pool, and a precarious cap situation is a sucker’s way out.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As much as I want Hamhuis in a Caps jersey, I can’t believe Philly doesn’t give up Parent, another prospect, and a scoring winger to Nashville for Ellis and Hamhuis. Philly needs what Nashville has an excess of. And I worry that if Poile wants a young D-Man, the best the Caps can offer is Alzner/Carlson which is too much IMO.
by JimCareyFanClub on Mar 2, 2010 10:55 AM EST reply actions
For what it’s worth, Home Ice just reported that the Flyers have put Emery on the long-term injury list freeing up some cap space.
That’s bad news. Philly would be dangerous if they can swing a deal of significance in preparation for the playoffs. Would prefer that they were on the sidelines this year in the playoffs. Do they have quality young talent to trade after the Pronger deal, though? Doesn’t Philly’s regression this year justify some of GMGM’s decision to stand pat last year?
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The Caps didn’t have the cap space to swing a deal last year without moving a roster player. I agreed with the decision to stand pat, but I thought it sucked.
This year, I’m hopeful they can pull off an upgrade.
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Agreed with this. I certainly want them to make a move because the goal isn’t to be a perennial regular season success but a playoff champion. I just remember last year wanting them to make a Pronger-like move and the satisfaction in seeing the Flyers make that move and suffer under increased expectations has been very gratifying.
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And they put Riley Cote on waivers.
The Flyers are definitely up to something. With Emery on LTIR, you have to think part of it at the very least involves a goaltender.
Whether it’s Ellis [+ ???], I don’t know.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Theodore for Coburn?
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Just read PuckDaddy’s 5 predictions.
I must say, I’m shocked DiPietro is injured again. Islanders fans should start chanting “Shit Knee” instead of “D-P”
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DP works as a chant given what his injuries are doing to the franchise.
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Something something something Mike Milbury Alexei Yashin.
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the fans have spoken: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=60980&cmpid=fb:wallpost:allstar
green, ovechkin east all starts, semin first in line
Given how poorly fans tend to vote in these types of things those two teams aren’t bad. Habs fans must not have heard about the poll.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Keith not starting for the West, and Semin over Backstrom???
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m assuming there’s been no trade news, thus far?
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Malkin to the Caps
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Because Pens signed Jagr
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
(I heard, may happen)
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty quiet so far.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
You didn’t read my post above of the blockbuster Blue Jackets-Isles trade I take it.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
If you’re a reporter nowadays, and you haven’t made a tweet in 17 hours, that’s a problem.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
The only way I like seeing Jurcina back in red is if we move twice as much dead weight at D to clear up the log jam.. but that’s not gonna happen.
All the hints are there that Jurcina will be traded though:
“CBJ’s Milan Jurcina not expected to play tonight against Vancouver”
http://twitter.com/tomba19/statuses/9879917579
It could be just resting him from the Olympics, but Saturday was ages ago and I’m guessing he didn’t fly to Columbus just to fly back to Vancouver.
Any trade rumblings out of Carolina today Cory?
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
On that note tho, I think Whitney, Corvo and Ward will all go … maybe Walker too if someone wants to take a chance on a guy who will play for the first time in a long time tonight. Also some rumblings that someone signed to a contract that doesn’t expire could go … maybe Alberts.
by Cory Lavalette on Mar 2, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
What have you heard about Whitney dealings?…Lots of buzz Pre-freeze but not much since the Olympics have ended
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I’d think best bets are Pitts and LA. Thing is he wants an extension from LA (presumably b/c they’re not a Cup favorite and he’s trying to get to a team that has a better shot this year). I think it’ll be the Pens … I just wonder what the return will be. His NTC makes it a little harder.
by Cory Lavalette on Mar 2, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
any online replay available?
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
They would probably put it up on their blog if you ask them nicely.
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by J.P. on Mar 2, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Geez, there JP goes, calling us attractive again.
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Whoa whoa whoa. He just said better than average.
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Tarik tweets
Sources tell me the Caps actively seeking depth on the blue line and are have shown significant interest in 6-6 Isles’ vet Andy Sutton.
FAIL
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The asking price for Sutton is a second rounder. But there are other teams involved in the mix, which could drive up the price.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Let them overpay. Sutton is awful
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously….if the only move GMGM makes is getting Andy Freakin’ Sutton, i’m going to do the Captain Picard facepalm
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
You and me both YLM. Would be majorly pissed. Aim for Jackman not Sutton.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
He’s pretty bad. He’s not what the Capitals need, as JP profiled a couple of weeks ago.
A 2nd rounder is not all that far off the price of better defensemen.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Grebeshkov and Leopold have both gone for 2nd rounders, right?
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yes
And you’d be pretty accurate to say that Leopold and Grebeshkov are a ways better than Sutton.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Better than Erskine, but a second-rounder is too much.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
His GVT says he’s the equivalent of Erskine.
DO NOT WANT.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve said it before, and i’ll say it again.
I’d rather have Don Sutton.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Their defensive GVT is identical, but overall Sutton is clearly better than Erskine, as indicated by this post:
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Um, link fail. Here it is: http://www.japersrink.com/2010/2/17/1311323/2010/2/17/1311323/andy-sutton-big-body-big-upgrade
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
That’s like exchanging one turd sandwich for a slightly less turdy turd sandwich
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
From Tarik
Tyler Sloan is ill and not practicing today.
Ill or packing his shit up because he’s on the way out the door?!?!?!?!
Or injured by Nicky yesterday? lulz
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions
The Fourth Period
Don’t know much about these guys, or the reputation, but they just tweeted Philly has a deal and will be consummated shortly, FWIW
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Word on the Tweets is that that Toronto is about to deal Jeff Finger to Chicago for Huet, the Hawks will then make a play for Vokoun.
Via @KuklasKorner
RT @am640Brady: Rumours swirling about Leafs moving JFinger to Chicago for Huet. IF true, Hawks will go hard after Vokoun, Leafs flip Huet.
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I hope the Hawks don’t get Vokoun…thats our likeliest playoff opponent.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Chicago — already in a financial bind — ever pick up Finger who has one of the worst contracts out there?
IMO they do it because they would be getting rid of Huet…who also has one of the worst contracts out there. Not sure on the numbers of each though.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 2, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
And why the hell would Toronto take Huet? They’ve already got Giguere for another year.
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This is what is more baffling to me too.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 2, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
It’s speculated above that TOR would try to flip Huet. Not sure who might be interested in taking him, though.
The ’Hawks with Vokoun would be a beast.
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Could PHI be interested in Huet as they did put Emery on long term IR today?
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Mmmmm, good point. Could be.
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I dont understand why teams are so willing to take on these ridiculous contracts from other teams. I’ll be glad if GMGM stays out of other teams’ messes
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Teams only swap bad contracts. I.e., you take one on if you have one to give up.
I have some quibbles about the contracts of some current Caps (Erskine, Sloan), but other than Nylander, they don’t have anything that is really bad.
So I would not expect the Caps to have to take back a bad contract.
Which means no Shawn Horcoff, thankfully.
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I cannot see Brian Burke doing Chicago any favors like this. Finger’s contract sucks, but not nearly so much that he would take on Huet’s and the difficulty of flipping him…makes no sense ’tall.
Chicago with Vokoun would be lights out in the West.
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by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
My life just changed.
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by snakegriffin on Mar 2, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of waiver moves today, too. Bob McKenzie’s tweeting that Brad Lukowich (Vcr), Ryan Oulahen (Det), Enver Lisin and Aaron Voros (NYR), Anders Eriksson (Phx), Chelios (Atl), Ryan Jones (Nsh), John Grahame (Col) were put on waivers.
The Predators have got to be going after a forward. And it looks like Rangers are making room for bodies, but those two don’t free up much cap space.
I like the look of that Lisin kid—he can really fly…I doubt he’ll clear
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Lisin went on waivers? Shit, I’d pick him up if we had a chance.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Any truth to the rumor that Voros was so upset, it caused Bradley to bleed spontaneously?
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Gaborik Injured?
Via Bob Mckenzie and in turn via NYP_Brooksie, Gaborik will not play tonight. Mckenzie notes that Gaborik was “struggling to get around the ice” during the Olympics.
The first casualty of Vancouver 2010?
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he suffered that cut on his leg prior to the Olympics. it never healed, as I understand, because he went and played in Vancouver.
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Ah, right. That’s a horse of a different color.
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Bondra was explaining that they were trying different ways of taping the leg. Egad.
But he injured something else too, I think. Before the loss to Finland.
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Yup. XM said it was his groin. Can’t say I’m shocked but it does suck.
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saw something that he injured his groin because he was trying to compensate for the cut. what a disaster.
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
A disaster of the predictable variety.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
via Dreger on Twitter
The Leafs say “no chance” to the rumour of Huet to Toronto.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
What’s Burke’s track record on these sorts of things? If he issues a flat denial, do we believe him?
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Burke isn’t stupid, though, and that deal makes no sense. I believe him.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think they are very happy with their goalie situation in TOR right now.
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Huet’s contract is MONSTROUS. Burke didn’t all of a sudden morph into JFJ
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously…the guy is owed 11 million over the next two years.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
But when is TOR realistically going to be competitive? He can take that deal on and it won’t be a Cup obstacle. Why he’d take it? Because like a 17th century European wedding it’s all about the dowry. CHI sends Huet and a high pick to TOR for some nonsense.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 2, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
no way in hell
Jonesy clears waivers. This had better be for a forward, because Jones is pretty decent.
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Per Garrioch, NSH keeps Dan and Dan and adds Poni.
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grain/salt
Wouldn’t surprise me, but hold on to your horses…
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Agreed – just throwing it out there in the interest of, well, throwing it out there.
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Ponikarovsky can certainly be acquired outside of Hamhuis. I just wish they had waiver-ed Wade Belak instead.
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CSN Philly again
About the Flyers/Nash. trade, Predators desperately wanted a forward. Did not feel like Hamhuis/Parent deal would benefit them. #NHLtrade
Uh, DUH! Glad to hear it, though.
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Why would this even need to be said, and how did so many people think this deal made sense?
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You’re guess is as good as mine, I’ve been marking it as BS for 18 hours. The Philly media seemed to chasing shit. They don’t have very good deduction skills, apparently, or don’t read any Nashville newspapers where Poile said “SCORING HELP”.
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As with all things in life, it is 100% fair to just blame Comcast and walk away.
by mch on Mar 2, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
if only the sale had gone through sooner and we could blame them for the olympics
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Well, the potential NBC/Comcast merger is enough for me to blame Comcast for that, too!
by mch on Mar 2, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nashville has newspapers?
/Philadelphia city slickers
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Would explain why they put Jones on waivers.
Would make the Grebeshkov acquisition slightly befuddling
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In a perverse way, it’s this sort of thing that makes me think the Hamhuis for Parent rumor is UFB (utter f’ing bulls…). Philly didn’t put Ray Emery on LTIR to do a swap of low priced young D for top-pair older D. They made it to go after Vokoun. It’s the biggest weakness on their roster.
If you've read this far...seek help.
UFB, of course, is not to be confused with OFB.
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by J.P. on Mar 2, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does he get a free mug?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
Note my above comment. I think any Philly/Nashville swap has been scuttled.
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YO
Andy Sutton has been traded, per Isles beat writer. More as it comes.
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Just saw that, anybody else getting a sinking feeling in their stomach?
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 2, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve heard some rumblings that it may be Ottawa
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
yep, to the Sens.
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I do this so you don't have to...
much more coming but this is breaking… * Vokoun may be on the move it is down to Chicago or Philly.
Which means, Vokoun will be starting for Washington tonorrow night.
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According to Islanders' Point Blank
A league source tells Point Blank that Dwayne Roloson is at the top of the Philadelphia Flyers’ wish list to solve their goaltending troubles.
"Roloson’s number ($2.5 million) for next year is not a hindrance in the Flyers’ view," said the source. "They’re looking at a few goalies, Marty Biron included, but Paul Holmgren is very interested in Roloson."
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Saw that myself after I posted above. It would make complete sense that the Flyers brain trust would value Roloson more than Vokoun… they haven’t made a good decision about a goalie since Gerald Ford was president
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That Hextall guy was pretty good
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Not to mention takes that last turn a little easier.
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If you’re not on Puck Daddy’s Hockey Insiders tweet tracker, you oughta be. Its sweet.
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thanks for the link! its like crack
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
I know
I can’t believe Sutton is worth a 2nd. Poile stole Grebeshkov.
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Every time I see a picture like this I simultaneously laugh and feel like I got kicked in the face.
by Battenburg Baron on Mar 2, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
@DNFlyer:
I think something is close, but with Nashville, not Florida.
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Zidlicky resigned...
3/12m
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Smart move. Smarter than CGY’s Stajan extension.
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I always read resigned as quit, as opposed to a new contract. Drive myself nuts. Don’t know if it’s a big deal, but I always use re-signed so I know the difference.
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I should, and my bad. I of all people should be using grammatical shortcuts.
If we could just stick a hyphen in “misled”. I mispronounced that for years.
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he really worth $4mil??
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by ns on Mar 2, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Elliotte Friedman’s always thoughtful blog and 30 Thoughts. This week? NHL must go to Sochi in 2014
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
Slava Bykov – who speaks fluent French – was apparently a legitimate contender for the Montreal Canadiens’ coaching job. Bob Gainey’s top three choices were said to be Bykov, Jacques Martin and Jacques Lemaire (in no particular order).
Holy crap Bob Gainey is an idiot. Figures that he’d be drawn to the guy for speaking French.
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As per Bob McKenzie
Colorado’s Wojtek Wolski is in play and the Phoenix Coyotes are one team that has shown some interest
Any thoughts CP?
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russostrib:
I do believe there’s a very good chance Owen Nolan will be dealt.
Cross your fingers, Ovi.
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McKenzie Tweet:
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Never wanted him anyway…too old. Doesn’t fill a need.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I noted your note about noting my note ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
He’s old, but he can still play. He’s not what he was, but he’s still better than all but 1 of our D. I don’t see how he doesn’t fill a need. He’d be way to expensive, but he would definitely make us better.
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As per Bob McK
Carolina’s Ray Whitney may not get dealt at deadline unless the L.A. King scenario gets revived. It’s his call but Pittsburgh appears out
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New open thread for all trade talk.
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Something different from the WWL
I have no idea who this guy is, but he’s a local, and a bandwagon fan and proud of it. It’s a nice read targeted to the general audience.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=mergler/100302&sportCat=nhl
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Watching the Marion Barry censure hearing…and they just moved on to a resolution on Winter Classic in DC.
So ESPN has been talking about “Should Ryan Miller start?” all day. Now, their level of analysis isn’t great, but they’ve talked more about hockey than I can remember in years (not counting the gruesome incidents where they make the game out to be a thug sport).
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![Via @Mastro72, great video of an incident during today's scrimmage between goaltender Braden Holtby and forward Evgeny Kuznetsov. Bruce Boudreau had this to say about it: "I think we'll have a word with Kuznetsov. Because in North America you can't taunt or make funny moves. When he did that, he was having fun maybe, but he gave a little taunt to Holtby. After [the goal], he sort of went, 'Ooooh' and laughed him. That's not going to go well with North American people. ...And I'm going to have a little chat with Holtby."](http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/131751/2_small.jpg)






























