The Washington Capitals at the Deadline: A Look at Potential Targets
by David Getz on Mar 2, 2010 11:30 AM EST
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PrintThe NHL's trade deadline is now barely more than a day away, and the Capitals posses a rare combination that makes it likely they'll be a major player: prospects and salary cap space. That the team is already a legitimate Cup contender doesn't hurt either.
With that in mind, we thought we'd take a look at the Caps' most pressing needs, and who they might look at to address them.
A second/third line center
The Capitals second line center situation doesn't get talked about nearly as much as the team's other perceived needs in part because it's an area the team looked like had addressed when Brendan Morrison came roaring out of the gates, scoring eight goals and adding eleven assists in his first twenty-seven games with the Capitals. But Morrison has slowed down as the season's gone on, and has only one goal and eight assists in twenty-two games since Christmas. Attempts to plug the gap with Tomas Fleischmann yielded mixed results. Although playing the pivot gave Flash a chance to utilize his offensive talents, he has been one of the Caps' worst defensive forwards this season and frequently struggled in the faceoff circle, especially away from the Verizon Center.
Things aren't much better further down the depth chart because, with all the respect that he's due for his faceoff and penalty killing prowess, it's hard to see David Steckel as a third line center in the NHL with the offensive production he offers. The Caps adding a second line center in effect nets them a third line center as well, pushing Morrison and Steckel each down a line. If that's not a viable option, it probably makes sense for George McPhee to start looking down a tier and putting in calls to find out about the availability of third line guys.
Saku Koivu seems to fit the bill here: he has experience, plays solid defense, should help on offense, and is a free agent at the end of the year. Jason Arnott in another candidate, bringing a well-rounded game and size to boot. Unfortunately his $4.5 million cap hit, which runs through next season, should be enough to give the Capitals pause.
[Ed. note: Players whose contract expiration years are marked with an asterisk will be restricted free agents. The rating column considers how attractive a player would be for the Capitals, taking into consideration ability, age, and contract status. It does not take in to consideration what the Capitals would have to give up to acquire the player.]
A top-four defenseman
The story all season long - especially in the mainstream media - has been the Capitals defense, and although the team's blueliners are better than they often get credit for, it's hard to argue the team's Stanley Cup prospects don't go up if they're able to add quality to their defense corps.
Of course, quality is exactly the issue here. Plenty of NHL defensemen are expected to be available, and quite a few should move in the next twenty-four hours, but how many address Washington's most pressing needs? Is a guy like Aaron Ward or Andy Sutton a big enough upgrade to make a difference? Is there really any value in adding a Tomas Kaberle or Sheldon Souray when they're not likely to see very much powerplay ice time? Probably not. The idea of not just making a trade, but making the right trade is as applicable now as ever.
The ideal targets here are Nashville's Dan Hamhuis and Atlanta's Pavel Kubina, both experienced blue liners who play solid defense and would get top-four minutes on the Caps. If the asking price on those two is too high, Steve Staios or Dennis Seidenberg would provide an opportunity to at least round out Bruce Boudreau's defense, and put the team in a situation where they don't have to rely on Tyler Sloan or John Erskine in the postseason.
A goalie
The Caps goaltending has been a hot topic all season long, as pundits have opined that it's a major obstacle the team will need to overcome to compete for the Cup, and Semyon Varlamov's overall stellar season has been interrupted by injuries. As with defense, the issue here is quality. If McPhee has the opportunity to a guy like Tomas Vokoun, he's putting the Capitals in a better position to win the Cup. If not, it's hard to imagine he solidifies the team's backup plan any more than Jose Theodore and Michal Neuvirth already do.
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David
Whats the purpose/meaning of the “rating” field on the far right of your tables?
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IThe rating column considers how good a fit the player would be for the Capitals, taking into consideration ability, age, and contract status. It does not take in to consideration what the Capitals would have to give up to acquire the player.]
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 2, 2010 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep. I’ve changed the language a little now (to “The rating column considers how attractive a player would be for the Capitals”) in an effort to avoid any future confusion.
Minor nitpick
In the defenseman paragraph above the chart, it says “Saios” not “Staios”
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
lol
DUH. My bad, and thanks.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent post. I agree with you on the need for a 2C and the fact that there may be little upgrades available in goal and on defense. I would like to make a move to help the team, but we do not need to make a move just to make one
Free Eric Fehr!
I don’t quite get the desire to replace BMo with Koivu, who has scored only two more goals, three more assists, but whose +/- rating is 6 points lower. BMo has a better +/- rating by far than anyone on that list and his scoring is comparable. The only place I can see where he lacks compared to Koivu, et. al. is in SOG (which means that he’s a more efficient scorer than his potential replacement).
Yes, he’s slowed down since Christmas, but I’m not sure that’s an indicator that he’s washed up.
Bmo has better teammates than Koivu does, so I’d take that +/- with a grain of salt.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind that unless the Caps want Flash or Laich to play center in the postseason (and perhaps they do), they’ll need both BMo and someone else to avoid having Steckel play 3C. Maybe that someone is already in the organization, but there is a need for centers even including BMo.
Why Koivu specifically? He brings a ton of intangibles to the table along with defensive responsibility and playmaking skills. I think he still could have something left in the tank. Worth a flier depending on the price.
Koivu started very slowly. He didn’t really start producing until Dec. so his production arch is opposite BMo’s.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Koivu kills penalties and would be a reasonable option to take a regular shift at 3C, as well.
I’d be pleased to have him on the team.
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I dreamed of having Koivu in red before the season started and when I saw BMo signed I thought ‘well that’s a similar signing.’ Now the idea of having Lars, Saku, BMo and Steckel in center sounds fabulous.
Hamhuis
I agree on Hamhuis (depending on the price), but I believe he’s a lefty (which the picture above shows). Still he’s definitely the best option out there and I think he would definitely upgrade the Caps D.
FYI, he wasn’t mentioned on this list, but ESPN Rumors (take it with a grain of salt I guess) is reporting that the Caps might be interested in re-acquiring Juice from Columbus.
I’d say no thanks, but he’s still an upgrade of Erskine.
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I have to say, even if he is a slight upgrade, trading to get Juice back would earn a giant WTF from me. This team needs significant upgrades to make a big Cup push and I hope GMGM doesn’t stand pat (or make a lateral move) as all of the teams around the Caps make meaningful improvements.
GMGM might not agree that they need significant upgrades to make a big Cup push, though. In that case, you’re going to be disappointed.
Having said that, I think they make a giant, unexpected move that will leave us all shocked and impressed.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
And he might be right. It’s my opinion. But I think GMGM would be very foolish to look at the standings, look at what the teams around him are doing, and conclude that the Caps are in as good of shape as they could be.
Times like these I should probably close Twitter and trust the man who got the team here :)
Having said that, I think they make a giant, unexpected move that will leave us all shocked and impressed.
I disagree. I think the only guy on the market that the Caps would acquire in a blockbuster deal would be Vokoun. And I really, really doubt he’s headed our way.
Although I guess if it’s an “unexpected” move then there’s really no use speculating…
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Would love to land Hamhuis. Earlier in the year I really thought the Caps should pursue Scott Niedermayer, however, after seeing him in the Olympics I am not all that impressed and don’t think it would be worth what we would have to give up.
Anyone else hear the Panthers are shopping Horton? I don’t know if they would trade within the division but I would love to see him with the Caps. However, he is hurt now so I don’t know how that will affect things.
Horton and Weiss would be great but they would cost a steep price. I’m sure FLA doesn’t want to move them, they would only do so if their socks got blown off. I suspect it’s the same with Vokoun and I don’t think GMGM is the kind of guy to blow some socks off.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Excellent post
As a more recent convert who is focusing on learning the Caps, their minors, and their enemies first, this is really helpful in distilling what to root for at the deadline.
erskine has scored...now i can die in peace
Jan Hejda?
Plays big minutes against top competition in Columbus, is a big body, good skater and can move the puck. Just $2 million per through next season.
Howson said not trading him yesterday
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
JP has it in the Clips, actually
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by Chris Burton on Mar 2, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
How is Howson’s rep? Is he a Sutton-Phaneuf type GM?
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
idk
He’s not really a big splash type of GM, from what I can tell.
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But does he ever renege on his word, a la Darryl Sutter (sorry for the confusion) “I’m not trading Dion” to two weeks later “Hello Ian White!”
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t really know, in the time I’ve followed the BJs they haven’t made any huge trades. Vermette for Leclaire was kinda lame.
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What do you give up for Vokoun…a top 5 goalie in virtually every metric, who’s had the misfortune of playing on horrible teams. What if he brings that .917 career SV% here?
no…to much for a guy who will not be here past next year. maybe you trade flash and neuvy/holtby to make that work, but not part of your future on the blueline.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
i might toss in the first if i have to, sure.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
actually, you would probably have to throw theo in to make that deal work…
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Then Varly just sits on the bench next season?
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i think that’s part of the problem with a goalie trade. what does that do to varly’s head? he still very young, so i would hope he would get some valuable experience out of it.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Varly
Has to realize he’s not just going to be given the job. Play better than the other guy, and you’ll play.
Exactly. If trading for another guy is going to mess with his head then he’s not cut out for the NHL anyway.
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or move theo somewhere else…
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I would assume that you’d keep Theo through the end of the year as the backup. His contract is up after the season so that won’t matter.
Or you move him so you have money to get more pieces.
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We can already take on 18+ mill of annualized salary. Unless GMGM is going nuts he won’t need all of that anyway so moving Theo probably won’t be necessary.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
sure. i’m just saying if you dont move theo as well, you’ve got a three goalie rotation again unless you send varly down to hershey…who’s got a pretty crowded crease too…
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Given Varly’s recent injury track record, do we really want to hand him the keys quite yet?
by Murshawursha on Mar 2, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
What if he’s still having injury problems after one more season?
by Murshawursha on Mar 2, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
That’s gotta be one of those “cross that bridge when we get to it deals.” If he’s still having injuries that’ll make 3 seasons in a row…you have to start to wonder…
Fair, but at the same time I’d consider that grounds for hanging on to Neuvirth unless Holtby’s been seriously impressive (and for all I know he has, I haven’t been following Hershey).
by Murshawursha on Mar 2, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
right. i’ve lost myself in the trade talks. if you move neuvy then yes, you could keep theo and TV up and varly/holby down.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
well, i wouldnt give him away. he’s got some value. playing well but most importantly a ufa.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think while goaltending isn’t the biggest priority, Vokoun to the Caps would be a Roy to the Avs-type gamechanger. The Avs that year, if I remember correctly were going with Jocelyn Thibault and Stephane Fiset. They were good enough for a high-powered team, but Roy made them historically good. Vokoun might be able to do the same thing for the Caps, but no other backup goalie would.
I’m with everyone else on Hamhuis and Kubina, but not sure why the Thrash would want to move the latter. They’re still in the playoff picture.
by katzistan on Mar 2, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's what I'm thinking
Do you use the “go big or go home” attitude? If you spring for a Vokoun, you can more than likely ditch your top-4 Dman trade. But then again, you probably no longer need one if you are picking up a goalie who’s top 5 in the league.
FWIW
To the best of my knowledge (meaning, I’ve only gone back about 35 years on the research), no team has ever won the Stanley Cup after trading for a goaltender at the trade deadline.
The last team to win the Cup after acquiring a goaltender during the season was Colorado in 1996, but the Roy trade happened in early December of 1995.
While there can certainly be some questions of correlation and causation here, I feel pretty safe in saying that if we have to acquire a goalie, we’re probably already screwed. My theory is that it takes goalies and teams a while to adjust to one another, and that the 15-20 games remaining after the deadline just aren’t enough to adjust.
Alternatively, this could also mean that teams who think they’re just “a goalie away” are actually much further away than they think…
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by D'ohboy on Mar 2, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Excellent point. Frankly, this “let’s trade a big chunk of our future for Vokoun” talk makes me queasy. I understand that the Caps goaltending could be better, but I’m thinking an upgrade on the blue line is a considerably bigger priority. And, who knows…a little help on the blue line may just help improve the goaltending.
by mechanicsville on Mar 2, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
Because that one game in which he surrendered 4 goals was key to their Stanley Cup victory…
Barrasso was their starter…
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Oooooh, starter! You didn’t mention that in your post.
Clearly, Wregget’s subbing in for Barasso – most likely in one of the games in which the Caps were dominating the Pens – gave Tommy B the rest he needed to help the Pens overcome their 3-1 deficit in that series. Which would become a Penguins tradition, btw.
For context, how many Conference-leading teams traded for a goalie at the deadline?
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Usually teams that are contending already have the goalie part down. The Caps are a bit of an anomaly in that regard.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
That’s kinda my point – what has or hasn’t happened in the past doesn’t mean all that much to this specific situation.
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And also alternatively it could just confirm what common sense suggests: that game changing goalies don’t move all that often. How often are there goalies that are that good but not in a playoff spot? And how often are teams willing to pay that price to pry a goalie like that away?
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
And how often do cup contending teams feel the need to trade for a new goalie? There’s no reliable conclusion that can be drawn from this data, imo.
Philadelphia Flyers from Hextall until now.
Ottawa Senators (albeit not at the deadline).
Arguably, the Caps two years ago.
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The Caps were certainly not “cup contending” 2 years ago. And if they don’t get Huet they may not make the playoffs at all.
And if they don’t get Huet they don’t make the playoffs
They only made it in by one or two points and they had to win what, 13 of their last 14 games (?) to make it in? Huet was pretty amazing and saved them a few games. Kolzig and Johnson certainly couldn’t have carried them the way Huet did.
11 of 12. Kolzig dropping the one game I think.
Then again, the Caps team defense during that period was pretty nasty. Nasty as in devilishly good.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
And devilishly as in mercilessly executed with near flawless execution.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Not as in a trap.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Yeah, “devilishly” was probably the wrong adjective to use.
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by red army line on Mar 3, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions
How often are there goalies that are that good but not in a playoff spot?
Which, if you read between the lines, is kinda what I’m saying. If you don’t already have “the guy” you’re probably in trouble.
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You’re probably right, but the Caps resemble that Avs team more than any other I can think of when it comes to adding an elite goalie, deadline or not. I am not a hockey player but I think you’d be able to work in a goalie in the remaining regular season games. I think the lesson is that it’s an unprecedented situation.
Andrew Cogliano
I would put our interest in him as “low” to “very low,” especially considering we’ve already got a speedy, small, playmaking center with a left-handed shot who is a year younger, under contract for one more season, and has a lower cap hit.
Does Cogliano have more NHL experience? It’s tough to answer that question. He’s playing for a team that sure is playing like an AHL team.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
Factor in that Cogliano can play in the NHL right now and next season, while Perreault might now, and that Perreault may end up a wing at the NHL level, and I don’t think he’s enough of a reason to not have interest.
Perreault on the wing reeks of concussions to me. If he can’t stick at C, I’d sooner shop him than watch him get killed.
Not really. Nobody can escape the boards in the NHL. In his own end MP will be all over the boards, and it’s not like the C isn’t in the corners in the offensive end. Really, the only time it’s relevant is in the neutral zone and that’s the least dangerous area of the boards. MP is going to have to prove he can play in the corners and behind the net no matter what position he plays.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Think he’s done a pretty good job at the NHL level so far.
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I agree. He’s shown the balls and the ability to win battle on the boards. I definitely wasn’t questioning that, just stating that there is no “safe” position for a guy that doesn’t want to get crunched.
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Matty described his first NHL goal:
“I just got on the forecheck pretty hard and took the puck away from the D-man…”
Right behind the Panthers’ net. And then came round the front and stuck it in, unassisted.
Clemmensen was in the crease that night.
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Are y’all saying the main difference between C and W is who reports to the dot? Or does one of the two have more responsibilities in the middle of the ice, where Perreault’s advantages are bigger and his disadvantages are smaller?
The faceoff is big, the defensive responsibilities are different, for many teams the neutral zone responsibilities are different. The positions require different skill sets, but among those differences “not having to play on the boards” isn’t one of them. The nature of hockey at the NHL level is such that every single player has to be able to win battles on the boards and take a hit. If MP couldn’t do that it wouldn’t matter what his nominal position was, he’d fail. It’s true that through the neutral zone he’ll have more space and be further from the boards, and that helps him get the most from his puck and passing skill, but at either end of the ice he needs to be in the corners winning pucks.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
I get all that
and still think 85’s more useful, for more minutes, and more games, at C. I never said anything about “not having to play on the boards”; and am in the MP lobby because of his craft when cornered. But just as there’s a difference btween navigating a traffic jam and working road construction, seems to me there’s a difference in volume and nature of boardwork by C and W.
at either end of the ice he needs to be in the corners winning pucks.
I had a coach who always said ‘wings gotta win; centers gotta steal’. Course, now that you mention it, neither of us quite made it to the
Yeah I agree he’s better at C, just not because he won’t have to be on the boards. His speed and movement through the neutral zone and his passing ability is much better used in the middle of the ice. I think GMGM agrees or the Caps would have already transitioned to moving him to W.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
And that no matter how much we like MP, Cogliano is indisputably further along on the development curve and probably has higher upside. He’s a better player now and going forward.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Now and going forward? I know we have beer-goggled-Matty-glasses, but I’d argue MP has a better chance of being a better player, eventually, than Cogs.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
They’re the same age but Cogliano is in his 3rd NHL season and MP is in his second AHL season. Maybe MP catches Cogliano, but I’m not counting on it.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Grant Matty a few more inches (yeah, I know, tired argument), and he’s likely in a similar spot. MP’s skill set seems to be more impressive.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, but there’s no way to do that. Cogliano is bigger and won the fastest skater competition at the NHL All-star game. MP has skill and speed, but does he really have more speed than Cogliano? And even if he has more skill, is it enough to overcome Cogliano’s advantages and developmental head-start?
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
Now, absolutely not, but going forward, anything could happen. That said, realistically, I don’t think MP becomes St.Louis#2, but he’s got a shot at being a more-slippery Bmo, who doesn’t have THAT much of a height advantage on him.
But Bmo in his prime is still better than what Cogs seems like he’ll do. But that could be a matter of teammates.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s hard to pin Cogs’ ceiling down. It looked real high at first but I think EDM has botched both Cogs’ and Gagne’s development. It’s hard for me to tell if they’ll both rebound or not.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
That’s kinda what I was getting at with “teammates.” There’s no way in hell Bmo does what he does without Naslund and Bertuzzi. Perhaps that’s all it would take for Cogs.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Cogliano and MP are pretty similar in size (both are listed as 5’10, though that’s generous for MP, and Cogliano is maybe 10 pounds heavier).
Moreover, Cogliano’s production has declined every year he’s played. He is in a huge slump this season and isn’t producing anything, and I don’t want the Caps to take on a rehab project at the deadline.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
Too bad about Hejda…I had missed that clips post.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions
Um, what? Are we seriously talking about some 5-6-7 D-man we traded away 3 months ago being the answer to our defense issues? I like the guy, seriously, but we did the Jurcina thing already.
No, we’re talking about a bottom pairing defenseman being someone who could come up in trade discussions with the Caps.
If nothing else, he could play with Alzner on the bottom pairing if one of the top-5 get traded.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
what about...
Anton Volchenkov? 2.5mil cap hit, UFA next season… Physical, minute- and puck-munching defenseman? Just a thought, provided Ottawa was willing to move him.
No way Ottawa moves Volchenkov.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ottawa is going to the playoffs barring a complete collapse (they’ve done that before), and if they are Volchenkov will be a key part to any post-season success they may have.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
would love him, but can’t see Ottawa moving him
by Garyland1177 on Mar 2, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Negotiations between OTT and Volchenkov are not going well. I saw something yesterday (no link, with my sincere apologies) where their GM says they met several times with his agent in VAN and they are close to an impasse. The GM sounded very disappointed.
AO and Semin spent a lot of quality time with AV in Vancouver. The Pens are also rumored to want him real bad. Dunno if Malkin and Gonch also spent a lot of quality time with him.
AV – feelin’ the love.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
Even if they know they can’t resign him, they’ve got to keep him for the playoff push. Then they could trade his negotating rights, a la JayBo, in the off season.
Can’t see anyone landing the Volchinator for this season.
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They might be better trading him for a killing then getting Kubina or someone like that. It’s a step back, but it would be better than losing him for (almost) nothing after the season.
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I hear you, and it makes sense. I just don’t think OTT can afford to do it in terms of politics with their ST holders.
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Maybe, but I don’t know enough about that and don’t know enough about OTT STH politics. It’s Canada so I’m sure the ticket demand is relatively inelastic. OTT has also been a heartbreaker for years now so I don’t know why this one trade would be the final straw.
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On the other hand, trading Volchenkov would likely mean blowing up this season. He’s the anchor of that defense, and the Senators have an outside chance at putting a long post-season run together this year. If you lose him for nothing then I guess that’s the price you pay for taking a shot now.
You’re right, at some point you just have to take a shot. But if they trade him they’ll get a huge return. They could then take some of that return and get Kubina. It’s not the same position as they were in, but it at least keeps you competitive now and gives you some pieces to build with. Plus, with their goaltending I’m not convinced at all that they are primed to do anything.
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Regarding discussion on the need for a C: Brendan Morrison has a pretty decent playoff record to review. That record says he doesn’t avg as many points in the post-season as regular season.
But I am willing to put my money on him as one whose numbers rise a little thanks to the Olympic break. He’s a smaller guy who probably gets worn down over a season more than the avg NHL player.
And coming off injuries he may not have been as strong as he had been in the past. He did get a full off-season but after missing almost two years his legs had to have been significantly weaker.
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Florida: Reinprecht/Vokoun
Is probably not someone who might be on a lot of teams radar, but he would be a good fit here. He’s a 40 point guy on a team that’s not loaded with offensive talent, and would step into the second line with ease. He’s probably a 50-55 point a year guy if he’s got Laich on one side and Semin on the other.
Vokoun is a game changer. If the Caps bring him in, they immediately step to the front of the Stanley Cup class. He’s signed until 2011, of course, and the good news is that Theo is up at the end of this season, so there’s no cap issue going forward. Package a goalie (Neuvy), a defenseman (Carlson? Alzner?) and a couple of draft picks (2nd and 4th) and the Caps might land them both.
Let's go Caps!
I agree. If Vokoun can be had in a way that doesn’t totally cripple the Caps’ future, you do it, IMO.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I kind of hope that we stay put in goal because I’d like to see us go to the dance with the one that brought us. Theo overcoming his personal tragedies and returning to the stellar goaltending of the streak would be uplifiting. Varly rising to the challenge would be the berth of a perennial Cup contender even if we have some losses due to salary cap issues as some of our supporting players get more expensive.
I’m hoping more for the upgrade at than anything because the D play of Sloan, Erskine and friends is what is more likely to have me screaming at my TV set in rage and pain in the playoffs. Goaltending could be rough on the heart but I think that competition will allow the situation to settle.
If Canada can with the gold with the often shoddy goaltending they had in a one and done tournament like the Olympics, I have faith that there’s a path to the Cup with our present goaltending.
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What you mentioned in the first paragraph would be heartwarming at all, but such considerations shouldn’t enter into the equation if you really want to make your team better.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed with that. The goal is to win the Cup not win the marketing or greeting card contest. I do think, though, that some of the bonds between teammates is what makes your own guys valuable to you in some cases than to others. I think our goalies depth and skill may be undervalued by the rest of the league (especially because only we know the most truth about Varly’s health and psychological fortitude). So some of what I’m talking about is team chemistry.
How does team chemistry relate to goaltending? Is trust between D and goalie that important or is a shutdown goalie a shutdown goalie?
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I don’t think Reinprecht is a good idea for this team. He scored all his points early in the season and has done absolutely nothing for like two months. He’s getting like 12 minutes a night now.. in Florida.
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Honestly, I think part of the reason is play has been bad is due the environment where he is. The Panthers are a team that was in the same position as the Caps in early 2004, not exactly an upbeat place to be. It wears on you. I’ve been at a company that was going through a horrible fall and it’s not fun. But, unlike hockey players, I didn’t have a contract, so I left and got another job.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno. He’s hit 50 points once, a long time ago, and I don’t think he’ll do it again. I think we’d be able to get close to his output from Hershey, and for less.
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I don’t think either is likely. Really I only see MP competing with Reinprecht’s production in the final year of Reinprecht’s deal.
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Maybe one day, but not in this season. Aucoin isn’t that guy. Perreault may be, but he’s not there yet.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Roger. Reinprecht is, at the very least, an upgrade over MP right now. He’s probably a better defensive center than Flash, and better on the dot.
I would put him in the category of a minor upgrade.
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Can anyone explain to me why the Panthers would even want to trade Vokoun? They already did the “trade-away-a-top-goalie” thing with Luongo, why would they do it again?
If I remember right, Luongo demanded a trade out because of issues with the coach at the time… Mike Keenan maybe?
by Murshawursha on Mar 2, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Keenan did trade Luongo. Amazing, a player actually having difficulties with Iron Mike…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
…and a goalie at that.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Vokoun is much older than Luongo was when they dealt him. The owners have already publicly thrown in the towel. So from my view that makes Vokoun pretty expendable, b/c by time Panthers are ready to compete Vokoun will be old and ineffective. See Kolzig, Olaf, Washington Capitals 2008.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 2, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Plus they have Markstrom coming up.
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And they still have Clemensen, who did a helluva job last season for Jersey
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
When the Panthers were given a franchise, someone overlooked the fact that the target market of people over the age of 70 in South Florida would eventually die…
by SA-Town on Mar 2, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like Hamhuis doesn’t want to leave Nashville and it doesn’t look like he will……also Chelios to Thrashers?
Rumors..
per kukla’s retweet, leafs trade finger to chicago for huet. hawks will try and get vokoun. they are already over the cap next year w/ huet and vokoun makes the same dough. shorter deal though. makes sense given that chicago probably has to win this year before they bust that joint up.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Why would Toronto trade for Huet when they already traded for Giguere? That makes no sense whatsoever. Also, per Bob McKenzie, the Leafs emphatically shot down the Huet rumor.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 2, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Now “NHLSources” on Twitter saying Flyers are getting Vokoun. That would bite.
NHLSourcesSay
Source: “Flyers/Panthers close – Vokoun”, could this be the deal the Flyers are close to finalizing? Vokoun would have to waive NTC.
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Flyers have no cap room. Not gonna happen unless Briere or another albatross contract goes the other way.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 2, 2010 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
they have about 860K of full year salary available. they would have to move gagne or carter to make that work. no way fla is taking briere or pronger.
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I don’t think that number takes into account the amount they freed up with Emery on LTIR and Cote on waivers, though.
By my calculations (always iffy) they free up $2.05M with those transactions.
Still not enough to absorb Vokoun’s $5.75M cap hit. They’d still have to move a roster player to make it work.
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Kaberle
Agree with just about everything. Nice work!
My one quibble – unlike Souray, I’m not sure that Kaberle’s only value to the Caps would be on the PP. In addition to moving the puck, he’s solid defensively, and would be a clear upgrade 5-on-5 as well. He can also kill penalties and would like get some PP time as well. His contract is also eminently affordable for next season.
The only problem that I foresee with trying to acquire Kaberle is the likely cost – I’m sure Burke would demand a king’s ransom. Giving up a ton for Kaberle would probably be a mistake, but I still think he’d be a great fit for the Caps!
I think he'd be redundant
Green already will play 3/4 of the PP and can move the puck. Caps are probably looking for someone cheaper, with a better playoff or at least physical history, and better defensively. I have to think that Green, Schultz, and Poti are already better penalty killers than Kaberle.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he’d be a little redundant, assuming Green is healthy and productive, but I guess I don’t see having 2 elite puck moving defensemen on the roster as a big problem.
Also, I do think you’re underestimating Kaberle’s defensive/PK game quite a bit. I suspect he’d probably jump in and become one of the best PKers on the team.
I like physicality, but not at the expense of, you know, talent.
The big problem last year was that Pittsburgh was able to control the puck, which pretty much renders ineffective any puck-moving skills on the blueline. Plus, he has a $4+ million cap hit next season. Not horrible, but there is better bang for the buck elsewhere considering the makeup of the team.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Part of the problem we never had possession was because we didn’t have a puck mover. We just turned it over when we had pressure in the corner. A guy that can skate and pass would definitely have helped.
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What I saw from Canada and the US was a forward coming back for a short outlet, and that player would carry the puck up the ice. I see Backstrom doing that, not so much the other players. Offensive zone play though, if you give it to a bad puck handler on the blueline, it’s just asking for a breakaway against.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
What are you basing Kaberle’s PK prowess on?
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I’m guessing the same place one might find the assertion “that Green, Schultz, and Poti are already better penalty killers than Kaberle.” Thin air!
Those three Caps all do a competent job and, you know, actually get PK time. I hadn’t realized Kaberle got so little, but then again, come to think of it, I’ve never seen him on the PK in the first place.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Except that you can go to Behind the Net and pretty easily substantiate your hypothetical claim. I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m really just curious what you saw that convinced you Kaberle was any good in his own end.
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by Rob Parker on Mar 2, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s actually terrible defensively and doesn’t kill penalties. The only TOR D that spends less time on the kill is Jay Rosehill. TOR PK is -18/60 with Kaberle on, -8/60 with Kaberle off. Guy is a liability in his own end.
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I still find it hilarious that Rosehill has an NHL job. This is a guy that played 3 minutes a night in NORFOLK two years ago.
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That's gawd-awful
18GA/60 while SH? That’s barely cracking 50% on the PK.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
No, -18 +/minus per 60 minutes of PK time while he’s on the ice. But when he’s on the bench the TOR PK is only -8 +/minus per 60. His PK contribution is such that 10 extra goals go in per sixty minutes of kill time.
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Alright, brain mistake
But I think that stands, TOR only having 3 SHG so far this season. Well, in hindsight, he hardly gets any PK time, so small sample size. Wow though. That’s an atrocious rate.
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but the small sample size isn’t a coincidence. It’s because Ron Wilson realizes Kaberle is a liability on the PK so he tries to avoid playing him there. The numbers were a little better last year but still ugly.
While we’re on it, Joe Corvo actually makes the CAR PK better, though he makes the ES D worse.
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All I know is that GMGM better not get closed out this year. Last year, it seems we had Guerin in our grasp and for some reason that fell apart, and he goes to the Pens to win the Cup. I just don’t want the Flyers or another Eastern contender ending up with Hamhuis or Vokoun. It’s time we won some of these negotiations.
For me standing pat last year was kind of a push. Flyers and Pens have inflicted playoff pain. By standing pat we seem to have pushed ourselves ahead of the Flyers but behind the Pens. For me, we have to beat the Pens this year at the deadline. Either we have to make a no trade when they make a bad trade or make a better trade than they do. Or have we already fallen behind a little bit with Kovalchuk going to the Devils? With Kovalchuk’s performance at the Olympics and the Devils still being significantly behind I’m not stressed by that deal yet.
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Last year, we were limited by cap space, which won’t be an issue this year. Guerin is a perfect example of why you don’t want to go overboard to “win” a player auction. He ended up costing Pittsburgh just a 5th-round pick. The Caps should be looking for similar bargains, not shelling out picks and prospects to prevent the Flyers from acquiring people.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Man, they got Guerin for just that cheap. Didn’t realize that. Yikes!
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He was cheap, but we didn’t need Guerin last year, we needed Knuble. We have Knuble now (and Chimera, whom I don’t think anybody realized we needed until we got him), and I think we could use Hamhuis, but I don’t think we need Hammer to go further than we did last year. But for a couple of bounces and a couple of unlucky deflections, we’d have been in the ECF. We’re “good enough” to win with what we’ve got.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Knuble and this years Shultz is a BIG improvement over the team that lost last year
Aim for the head baby Jesus
We’ve got to do something though to impact our PK, right? Our PK is atrocious and goaltending or D would address that. Are then any low cost moves that we can make to address the PK?
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Honestly, a lot of our PK woes, IMO, has to do with our system, not our personnel. We’d need Cogliano, Eric Cole, Chimera (hurray!), and… uh… another ridiculous speedster to bring our PK up.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Would you say PK is BB’s biggest weakness as a coach? Why is that? What about our system can I look for to compare it to more successful PKs?
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F&B did a Fanpost on this a while back. Summary: our box is too passive.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 2, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too passive and too collapsed: it takes too long for our Ws to reach the points to actually try to pressure the puck carriers.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d like to see a little more Gordon and a little less Steckel.
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I thought you said you had work to do…?
by mechanicsville on Mar 2, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah last year was on the cusp of making the ECF but we want to win the Cup. That’s why it seems to me why we can’t afford to lose ground to other squads in the conference at the deadline. I trust GMGM, though, to make prudent decisions to stand point and to move forward and will not be pulling my hair out either way.
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My theory is that you can “control” things until the Conference Finals. After that, it’s usually a bit of a crapshoot.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
And I think we are controlling it well. I mean, comparing this year’s team to last year’s team is nearly impossible: we’re that much better. GMGM has done well.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC, they had the deal with the Isles all set up, but had to try and set up a corollary move to move a roster player in order to free up the cap space. They couldn’t, and so Guerin wen to the Pens.
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There was something about the contract limit too, right? Like they wouldn’t have been able to get someone off LTIR or something?
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by red army line on Mar 2, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Andy Sutton has been traded
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Interested to see price. Breath, now.
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Whew….
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Deep breath…I need the head of the Kubina lobby in full possession of his faculties right about now.
by mechanicsville on Mar 2, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hey…don’t worry ‘bout me. I’m long, strong, and down to get the friction on
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Nice. Way better than here.
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Yup…Mirtle just RT’d it…oh dear God…
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Why the upset?
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I posted that before it broke he was headed to OTT
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Second rounder (San Jose’s) according to Mckenzie
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Good deal for them if they only gave up a low second round pick
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
For the (more or less) same price, I like Leopold better than Sutton, but I suppose Sutton upgrades OTT’s blueline some.
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Grebeshkov and Leopold both better than Sutton. Thats pretty steep.
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Damn, I forgot that Grebeshkov moved for a second.
What you said.
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YES!
Don’t want to root for buttholes….
by bilspacecadet on Mar 2, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Peter Mueller
He plays left wing this season in Phoenix and isn’t very good on faceoffs (43.9%). If he were a center and could win draws, I might be interested in him.
Q: Your rival, Sidney Crosby: dislike him?
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Q: You send him cards on his birthday?
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What are his stats? TSN crashed on me when I went to look.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Stats
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473526#&navid=nhl-keymatch
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by Marshall Pirate on Mar 2, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch. Still, I’d take him as a 3C with the hopes that he improves.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Earlier Rumors
What happened to the previous rumors that GMGM was talking to St. Louis about Barret Jackman? Has anyone heard?
The difference between ORDINARY and extraORDINARY is that little "extra"
I’m not so sure he was talking to them about Jackman.
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by Marshall Pirate on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think he just likes his brother Hugh
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Played for the Wolverines in college didn’t he?
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jackman
Who would we be interested in out there?
The difference between ORDINARY and extraORDINARY is that little "extra"
Not if they want to actually win playoff games.
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by Marshall Pirate on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
According to Islanders' Point Blank
A league source tells Point Blank that Dwayne Roloson is at the top of the Philadelphia Flyers’ wish list to solve their goaltending troubles.
"Roloson’s number ($2.5 million) for next year is not a hindrance in the Flyers’ view," said the source. "They’re looking at a few goalies, Marty Biron included, but Paul Holmgren is very interested in Roloson."
http://www.islanderspointblank.com/
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This would be absolutely consistent with Philly’s tradition of bringing in old, proven non-performers to solve their deadline goaltending issues. (Sean Burke, TWICE, really???)
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 2, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“Proven non-performers?”
He’s been pretty decent this year. Not lights-out, but decent. And, uh, Edmonton. 2006.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
But Roloson was real good for EDM and you could credit him for stealing games, series, and carrying them. Emery was on a stacked team that didn’t face any adversity until the SCF.
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Roloson played the Caps pretty solidly this year I thought.
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What…you no likey Sheldon Souray? (snark)
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If he had two hands, he’d be ok….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Chelios
NHL.com; Chelios a Thrasher.
The difference between ORDINARY and extraORDINARY is that little "extra"
No way. They still want to make the playoffs.
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by Marshall Pirate on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Who the hell knows at this point…Don Waddell is a child.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
It’s kind of true, though. He makes Alzner instantly more contributive.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Care to provide a reason?
He doesn’t preclude the team from making other deals, he’s better than some of the guys on the roster, and his contract’s up after this season.
Because trading anything of value (3rd round pick?) for a minor upgrade rental to our 5-6 defensemen is not GMGM’s style. Let alone when the player in question was previously on the team this year, traded in the type of unagitiated deal that gives you the sense he was clearly not valued very highly by the front office in the first place.
Because trading anything of value (3rd round pick?) for a minor upgrade rental to our 5-6 defensemen is not GMGM’s style.
But this doesn’t take that in to consideration: “The rating column considers how attractive a player would be for the Capitals, taking into consideration ability, age, and contract status. It does not take in to consideration what the Capitals would have to give up to acquire the player”
Let alone when the player in question was previously on the team this year, traded in the type of unagitiated deal that gives you the sense he was clearly not valued very highly by the front office in the first place.
I disagree. The Capitals wanted Chimera and they wanted to move Clark. The fact they had to move Jurcina to make it happens doesn’t mean they don’t think he has value.
Fair enough. I just cannot picture a scenario where we make a deal for anything less than a top 4 defenseman, therefore anyone below that threshold is basically useless in drawing up a list of targets (to me. I’m not saying you were wrong to include lesser players.)
Juice speaks to the dead?? O.O
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind that. Seidenberg for a 2 seems to fit the market and it definitely makes us a little better on D. I like him playing top 4 minutes better than Shamo or Erskine.
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Via @TPanotch (paraphrasing): does not see how Flyers can afford to acquire Vokoun’s salary.
FWIW, I agree.
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plus, he’s actually a quality netminder, which just won’t do in Philly.
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More from @TPanotch (via PuckDaddy’s twitter tracker thingy):
Flyers are NOT close on any deal with any team. Looks like they are regrouping. Prices high and they lack picks … Picks necessary
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Flyers = screwed?
No extra picks, no expiring contracts that are not essential to the team, no goalie and no cap room…
That Pronger contract is gonna look even worse two years from now.
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That Pronger contract is gonna look even worse two days from now.
at your service…
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Bust a move
Got no money
got no car
got no woman
and there you are
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by EmilyB on Mar 2, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
straight from the horse's mouth
``In terms of what I’m hearing from coaches and management, they are saying they want to have the best team possible and that we’re buyers, not sellers this year. We want to make a run at the playoffs, and if that’s having me in the lineup to make our team better, that’s what they want to do. If there’s a trade that will make our team better that I’m part of going the other way, that could happen, too. But they said they don’t want to just get rid of me for draft picks. I think they understand that the team has a good shot at doing something really good this year and you don’t want to pass up on that.’’
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This pretty much fits in exactly what everyone has been saying around here right? A trade for Hamhuis would include a 1st/2nd line scoring winger and a prospect. I don’t see this as saying anything either way for how the Caps and Preds may or may not do business. In fact, it probably limits the buyers that could be in on Dan.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
I do think that a Flash for Hamhuis trade makes both teams better. That sounds like classic Poile to me.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
To bad Bruce has threatened to quit if Flash gets moved… GMGM is up against it.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
Did he really? I honestly cannot tell if this is snark.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
A joke.
I debated going more over the top with something like:
“Bruce has threatened to kill GMGM’s gold fish if Flash gets moved”
but figured that might be a bit much.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
But I’d have gotten it :-). I definitely could see BB saying something jokingly to that effect.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
It does make me laugh that we are so conditioned to the BB/Flash love-in that we can’t tell if Bruce really might quit if Flash gets traded.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
Hamhuis would be a splashy move. I’m beginning to think that we don’t get a splashy move, but more of a “tinkering around the edges” move. A Bill Guerin type move, if you will.
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In fact, it probably limits the buyers that could be in on Dan.
That’s the best thing I see in that comment.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
With the waiving of Jones, it looks like we have to wait till 11:01 CST tomorrow for a Nashville trade for a forward.
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As per Bob McKenzie
Wild have signed D Marek Zidlicky to a 3 year extension $12 mil
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I just don’t see him as a $4m guy now, much less three years from now.
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Didn’t Ott get a similar deal, but 4/12m or something? How does that work? Is he really worth 3m/year?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Apples to oranges, but yeah, the money sounded high on Ott to me, too (especially given Dallas’s financial situation).
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Money’s nearly the same, which is the only reason I brought it up.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 2, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
You look at Alex Burrows making 2 mill and wonder how the hell Steve Ott is 3 mill. Not apples to apples obviously, but I still think DAL overpaid by a good bit. Ott had 19 goals last year, a career high, when DAL was ravaged with injuries and Ott got top 6 ice and PP time.
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Yup. And Ott’s a suspension-waiting-to-happen on every shift.
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As per Bob McKenzie
Colorado’s Wojtek Wolski is in play and the Phoenix Coyotes are one team that has shown some interest
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Don’t see him filling a big need here, though I’d certainly take him if they traded him for pennies on the dollar. I’d imagine he’d bring back a significant return, given his RFA rights, production, and age.
Fun fact about Wolski
He currently leads the league in all-time shootout goals percentage.
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Is he the next Jussi Jokinen?
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
hmm…like him. Slick mofo for a big guy. can play some C. Plus, he has an awesome name
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My opinion: Vic Kozlov redux.
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can't say I disagree
interesting read on him here
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He'd Need a new Number...
- is available here, last I checked….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Freakin formatting...
I meant to say Number 8 isn’t available here, last I checked…
muttergrumblemutter[Lemieux]muttergrumble[Avery]mutter[Gretzky]grumble
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Holding my nose typing this, as I am not a fan at all but
Bob McK tweets…
Toronto’s Alex Ponikarovsky likely to fetch a second-round pick and a good prospect. L.A. one of many teams interested
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Don’t know enough about this kid to not be a fan. Why do you dislike him?
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Poni used to only be able to score against Olie Kolzig. He learned how to score against other teams over the next couple of years.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Russo says Nolan will be traded, fwiw.
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Nolan would be a great addition to the Caps….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like your Bill Guerin-esque tweak.
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Exactly… adding him to the Caps would be like adding Guerin to the Pens in 2009….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like Nolan and all…but he’s a RW, correct?
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also per McKenzie:
I throw this out there only because someone is bound to report otherwise—Anaheim is not trading Scott Neidermayer. Not even on their radar
also, Emery may be done, per Kukla. His hip injury is similar to the one that ended Bo Jackson.
Kung-fu Rink Rabbit
On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
No, he had to retire due to a really bad hip injury…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Serves him right. He murdered enough people in Tecmo Bowl
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 2, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Mark Grace died?
Game-Over Green? Canada-Over Carlson!
by Scott in Shaw on Mar 2, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah, the other Mark Grace.
rec’d
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 3, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Not an Emery fan...
…but that sucks. Hate to see an injury end a career.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was just about to write that. You hate to see anyone’s career ended by injury.
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Carolina’s Ray Whitney may not get dealt at deadline unless the L.A. King scenario gets revived. It’s his call but Pittsburgh appears out
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Looks like he’s not getting traded, then. Kings don’t want a long-term deal with him, and his asking price would probably be too high.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
Maybe they can interest him in the Michael Nylander Senior Achiever Program for those later years.
by grapejoos on Mar 2, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for all the fans in Grand Rapids and Helsinki
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 2, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Best part is that he clearly was campaigning to be traded to Pittsburgh, but Carolina wasn’t letting him have his say unless they got their price for him. Maybe even “above market” because it’s what the guy wanted. Glad the Pens wouldn’t oblige.
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New open thread for all trade talk.
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Get Vokoun and Hamhuis and we are set.
neuvy, theo, and 2nd rounder for vokoun. shamo (or whatever non essential dman of ours they will take), matty P, and 3rd for hamhuis. I don’t know about the center situation though. Do you guys think those trades would work?
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
No. Florida’s not going to want Theo, and Neuvirth probably doesn’t hold much value. His price is more like a near blue chip prospect and a first rounder. The Predators probably don’t love the idea of Mo, Perreault’s an okay prospect and a third has little value. Someone will offer the Predators an NHL caliber player for Hamhuis and they’re likely to want that kind of offer.
you are understating neuvy's value
theo is an expiring contract and they need someone to play goalie. why don’t we give them poither instead of shamo and make it a 1st rounder instead of 3rd?
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
wow reply fail
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
by Area 51 Forever on Mar 2, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
they need someone to play goalie.
They have Scott Clemmensen for now and Jacob Markstrom and Alexander Salak for the future.
I don’t think I’m understating Neuvirth’s value. Goaltending prospects don’t generally get traded because they’re so volatile and Florida already has goaltending prospects they like.
I don’t think the Preds want Pothier. I think they want young, NHL caliber forwards.
Nope, I wouldn’t make that deal as the Caps either. Just seems like a stalemate. Panthers get a potential scorer and we get good goalie without any improvement on D…but we already have a good goalie. I WANT SAKU
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Mar 2, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
vokoun is way better than any "good" goalies we have right now
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
by Area 51 Forever on Mar 2, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but the panthers have/had a good D, we don’t. Varly carried our ass to game seven of the second round, and our D was even worse last year, we don’t need a goalie, we need a defensive veteran
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Mar 2, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
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|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Florida
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50 | 24 | 15 | 11 | 59 |
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Washington
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51 | 27 | 20 | 4 | 58 |
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53 | 24 | 23 | 6 | 54 |
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50 | 22 | 23 | 5 | 49 |
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Carolina
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53 | 19 | 25 | 9 | 47 |
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