Tuesday Caps Clips: Caps @ Panthers Game Day
Your savory breakfast links:
- Previews of tonight's game against the Kitties from Vogs, Peerless and NHL.com, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Litter Box Cats for coverage from the other side of tonight's match up.
- To refresh your memory, this is the sixth and final meeting between the Caps and Cats on the season, with the Caps looking for the season sweep after taking 4-1, 7-4, 6-2, 5-4 and 4-1 decisions
- If you missed Pepper on Rink Side Radio last night, check it out here.
- More reaction to the Alex Ovechkin hit on Brian Campbell... [Ovechkin's teammates, Damien Cox, TSN, THN, some idiot with a computer, Brian Pothier and Erik Cole, Tim Gleason]
- ... and the resulting suspension. [Vogs, Puck Daddy, Ted's Take, Damien Cox, Scott Burnside, FanHouse, OFB, FFODC, Globe and Mail, mc79hockey, Empty Netters, A Capital Offense, Examiner, Nigel Dawes and Mike Babcock]
- Fresh power rankings are out, with the Caps holding the top spot at The Hockey News, TSN and CBSSports.
- "24 NHL coaches, pro scouts and color commentators" have spoken, and they think that Jeff Schultz is a pretty solid blueliner. Welcome to the club, gents. [FanHouse]
- A few Caps notes in Elliotte Friedman's weekly must-read. [CBC]
- Caps/Hawks did lousy ratings. [Puck the Media]
- The Caps are pretty much a terror when they're down a goal, but you knew that. [BtN]
- Mike Knuble has been a great pickup for the Caps (but apparently not blurb-worthy). [Sportsnet]
- Several Caps are moving up the single-season franchise leaderboards. [A Capital Offense]
- Scott Walker is happy to be a Cap. [NHLPA]
- The value of one Caps' defensive prospect is on the rise while that of another is falling. Yeah, you can guess who's who. [Puck Prospectus]
- A bit o' Bryan Helmer love. [RtR]
- Bear Tracks! [LDN]
- Down a level, the Farm Report. [FanPost]
- Olie Kolzig finds his way into a Post article today... on arthroscopic surgery. [WaPo]
- Per the HHoF, on this date back in 1995, "Dale Hunter picked up 7 penalty minutes in a 5-1 Caps' loss at Florida to give him 3,044 PIM and move past Chris Nilan into second place among NHL career penalty minute leaders." Good times.
- Finally, happy 32nd birthday to Brian Willsie and happy 39th to David Harlock.
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Interestin’ pic of Greg Campbell, there, JP…
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You trying to imply something there?
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nah
Just found it humorous. But I’m currently coffeeless-which is never good.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I kicked the habit. Mornings are so much nicer.
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Mornings are nicer minus coffee? Oh my.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
See, this comment and every one after it take the thread off-hockey and need to stop. This isn’t a chat room, it’s a hockey blog. Thanks for efforting to keep it that way.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 7:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
My bad- I know better.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
No worries – just try to be better in the future. That’s all I can ask.
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Not unintentional – thought a Cap beating up a Campbell would go over well today. Good catch by you.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 7:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And yet the Caps may sweep all six. Surprisingly, the Caps are still a good team without him and the Panthers are, well, not a good team period.
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A lot of people thought they were going to be pretty decent this year. They finished out last season fairly strong, and though they lost Bouwmeester, they still had a pretty solid defense corps and a great goaltender.
Still, it turns out that you can’t win games if you can’t score goals.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
I was one of those guys. I really thought that they were ready for the next-level jump.
Although in my defense I also predicted the Carolina collapse.
I really thought Tampa Bay was going to be a lot better this year. They seemed poised to make a big jump up in the standings much in the same way the Kings did this year, or the Caps did in ‘07-’08. Lots of young talent, some great goal scorers and playmakers (St. Louis-Stamkos-Malone and Tanguay-Lecavalier-Downie seemed like a pretty legit top 6), two healthy goaltenders (instead of a constant rotation of AHL-caliber rookies like Mike McKenna and Karri Ramo) and a much-improved blue line. Instead, they’ve been better, but still aren’t good, and wouldn’t even be challenging for a playoff spot if the rest of the east weren’t so miserable.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
TBL definitely has more teeth than last year, and they’ve played us well this season.
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Their defense has still been pretty toothless. Hedman hasn’t been the huge stud everyone thought he was going to be when he came into the league (then again, neither has Tavares). The goaltending has still been questionable. Yeah, they’ve been better, but when you finish dead last and then last in the league, you have nowhere to go but up.
I had them finishing sixth in the conference this year. I really thought that the Habs, Rangers, and Sens would all finish behind them . Shows how much I know.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
thought a Cap beating up a Campbell would go over well today.
You’re suspended for five games for intent to injure. No wait, you’re fined $1000. Check that- no fine, no suspension. Hold on, you’re fined and suspended and we’re taking away your keyboard. On second thought…..
by b.orr4 on Mar 16, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is clearly a headshot to the Panthers, but due to the lack of an established rule, we’re going to fine you a cold beer on the Thursday after next season begins.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
As did Caps media, who used the same photo in today’s “Caps Today” email.
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by Scott in Shaw on Mar 16, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Taking a few minutes to read the twitter stream from last night, I’m under the impression that Vogel is implying that Colin Campbell is a bit of a xenophobe, and it’s affecting his disciplinary decisions. Anyone else see it that way?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Yup. Pretty damming history the guy’s got with Russian players. And pretty good investigating reporting by Vogs. Here’s his tweet for those that can’t get Twitter:
Seems like one C. Campbell might have had some prior issues with Russian players: http://tinyurl.com/yfhlad6 and http://tinyurl.com/yhvk3rg
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"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
by bagace on Mar 16, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like he’s not too crazy about the Quebecois, either.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Well, Quebec doesn’t exactly fit in with the rest of Canada. Quebec was once talking about secession from the nation.
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It will be interesting if any other media types run with it today (RDS?).
I also thought his blog brought up an interesting point about how, after the hit, no Hawk player tried to start something on the ice, as opposed to Knuble immediately going after the Pens when Ovi was hit back in Feb. You could argue that they knew it would only result in a penalty so they showed restraint, but they did engage in chippy-ness after Laich’s hit on Kane. Veddy curious.
"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
that hawk tried to get at ovie after he left the box, had to be re-directed by the linesman. But there was certainly not an immediate reaction (during play) by anyone on the hawks.
Burish also went pretty crazy at the end of that period.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There are many questions about the way C. Campbell makes decisions. This current Ovechkin suspension being one of them. Possible xenophobia, outside influences, gross inconsistency, the appearance of conflicts of interest, and changing his mind on holding a hearing due to pressure from someone in (?) the Blackhawks organization.
I give Campbell a “no confidence” vote.
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This will be so until the NHL has the gumption to make meaningful change to the way it does business, until it tears down the Star Chamber and replaces Colin Campbell with a more effective, more transparent form of justice, one the players and coaches and fans can understand and accept.
I think the bottom line is that this needs to happen, no question about it. I’ve been watching hockey for less than a year and it’s obvious to me that the way the NHL handles discipline cases is a joke and drastic changes are needed. The comments CC made for his decision not to suspend Gonchar for his hit on Clutterbuck were simply outrageous and deciding not to suspend Cooke or even have a hearing for Downie’s hit on Crosby in my opinion was plain stupid. I know he has a very difficult job to do and must be under a lot of pressure to get it right every time but that is exactly why one person alone should not be responsible for making the decisions and at this point he is just making matters worse. I suspect that from now one every one of his decisions will be questioned even more than before and at what point does the league realize enough is enough and a better system is needed?
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by CapsFan2020 on Mar 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On Campbell, I read an article calling for him to be fired. For his case, it’s like him being the coach of a losing team that’s out of control that needs to fire the coach.
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Here‘s a pretty strong call for just that (it’s the FanHouse link in the reactions-to-the-suspension bullet)
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And here is the money quote of Chris Botta’s article…
Although the league did not hand Ovechkin an automatic one-game suspension because his last misconduct penalty was more than a half-season ago, it still chose to dock the game’s most exciting superstar two games and $232,645 in salary. Worse, the league has given a vital part of its brand a record and a reputation.
I’m not generally a conspiracy theorist (although I do not subscribe the single-bullet theory of the Kennedy assassination), but if I was…
This sums up a dark narrative that seems to be winding its way through the hockey media. Drama requires a hero and a villain. The NHL has invested quite a bit in marketing one player as the face of its league. It adds to the aura surrounding that player if there is a villain worthy of the name to serve as his foil.
On the one hand, we have the humble, the modest, the well (and certainly not controversially) spoken hero of the Canadian maritimes, complete with Stanley Cup and Olympic gold, the very personification of Canadian values (whatever those might be). On the other hand, we have the dark knight of the underworld (ok, Russia) who personifies strength bent to evil aims — he’s reckless, he’s dirty, and now has the offiical NHL imprimatur of such a player fixed to his back. I read of even one description that all but likened him to the worst caricature of an NBA thug, out and about with torn jeans, a cell phone pressed to his ear, and posse at his side (that would be the Spector article). Every time he hits a player, there are going to be the muffled voices saying that Ovechkin is once more trying to injure players. And if they’re injured, the muffled voices will be a full-throated roar calling for a five, a ten, or a 20 game suspension.
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I’d wonder if it all isn’t just an effort to emasculate Ovechkin and render his game impotent. When Ovechkin’s Capitals were a comedy on ice, or even when the Caps became entertaining (if not a real contender), Ovechkin was merely “Ovie.” But now the Caps are a bona fide contender, and Ovechkin — Matt Cooke with a wrist shot — could display his toothless grin while holding the Stanley Cup over his head. This isn’t in the narrative.
At some point, he might always be looking over his shoulder. At some point, he might say, “I don’t need this, I have Russia.”
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 22 recs
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I find it pathetic, really, that people tag OV as dirty. He hits people. Hard. Yes, it could hurt them. Shea Weber hits people hard, and he’s bigger than Ovechkin. Is he dirty? No. Dustin Brown and Ryan Callahan throw themselves around, and both of ‘em are equally likely to hurt someone. Its the nature of the beast- when grown men skate around at high speeds hitting each other, it might damage something. I don’t even think hitting like Ovechkin does is reckless- I’d call it commonplace.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’ve been thinking this since the Olympics. Ovi is being set up as Crosby’s foil to make marketing the rivalry just a bit more sellable to the general public. And you’re not the first person who’s mentioned being worried that Ovi could just decide he doesn’t need this crap and return to Russia.
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At this point, between the way he’s been treated, and his distaste for escrow, i’m not sure I would blame him.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I’m sure I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t fault him in the least. I probably would in his shoes.
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I kind of have to third this. Not saying he couldn’t be a little more careful about some things. But the more I see of that hit, the less I think it was a penalty. Interference for being slightly late — maybe.
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I thought it was hilarious that the Vs. crew (incl. Keenan) all thought that he deserved more time when Milbury and McGuire called it a hockey hit. I really am having a tough time reconciling everything to everyone in this situation.
Also, what does Ted think? What is GMGM doing? Why doesn’t BB speak out and get himself suspended for a game or two, in a show of solidarity? I mean, what the fuck?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
GMGM asked the league to rescind the 5 minute major
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by Sombrero Guy on Mar 16, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure what he did was more involved than that, but that seems like the least he could have asked for.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a master lip-reader, but I think Boudreau let his feelings be known at the time of the incident.
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Sure, but call him out afterward. I’d rather see Gabby suspended and fined than go quiet into the night. This is going to be a recurring theme unless someone gets vocal about it.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think that if the Caps lost that game then the league might’ve lessened the sentence (since they’d see that the Caps “needed” Ovie)?
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all, and, frankly, Bruce might’ve been more apt to respond with a public fit of rage…
Which is what I would’ve liked to see.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted’s thoughts are on his blog. GM issued a statement saying they had no problem with Alex finishing his check and (I think) that they disagreed with the suspension but would have no further comment and Boudreau’s comments are in a 6 minute video on the Cap’s website with some additional comments on CI with Tarik.
Ted I think goes too far with the whole Alex shouldn’t be suspended because he’s the MVP which kinda negates any reasonable argument against suspension.
I think Boudreau can tend to get a bit too overzealous in his defense of his players but he’s their coach so I kinda get that. I also think he has to be a bit weary of another comment like the reckless one after the Gleason hit and suspension being turned into another TSN poll as to whether or not Alex is reckless and dirty and the whole see – even his coach thinks he’s reckless (….and dirty) meme that has become quite commonplace.
On this one, I like GMGM’s response the best.
by Ames on Mar 16, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just as a matter of course, I want to know that my coach has my back in public on stuff like this, even if I get the reaming of a lifetime behind closed doors. I’m okay with BB being overzealous here.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i had the most baffling conversation with a pens fan friend over the weekend, where he repeatedly insisted BB was a “whiner.” but when i pressed him to be more specific, he cited examples of BB defending AO. i agree with you, i don’t know what player wouldn’t expect his coach to have his back to the press. i know expect it of BB as a fan.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 16, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems like it’s time for someone upper management to call out the suspect nature of the suspensions/non-suspensions.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not the way the NHL works. I’d liken the NHL management to ostriches, if something controversial happens, they just put their heads in the sand and hope that it goes away. They’ll never call out one of their own and I’d imagine before anything is made public they are all made aware of it so they can stand out there with a straight face. It’s a bit of a paradox because it makes them strong looking, unified, but the decisions are so bad that it makes them look incredibly weak.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
I meant upper management in terms of the teams (President/GM/whomever). Someone needs to make noise.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
He cannot return to Russia until his contract with the Caps is up — the KHL (as much as they’d love to) would not take him.
For a guy of Ovechkin’s caliber? I wouldn’t be shocked if they made an exception.
Until there’s an enforceable formal transfer agreement in place, I’m not sold on any restrictions on jumping ship. The KHL took Radulov with open arms, what’s changed since then?
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If the KHL accepted AO he would be disqualified from Team Russia. I think that’s enough.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Ask Radulov about that…
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The IIHF has changed their rules since then.
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by wickedwitch on Mar 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s entirely subjective on my part, but the Ovechkin narrative seems to have taken a harder turn to the dark side since he was named captain of the team.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by jordanDC on Mar 16, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Love that thing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, it’s blocked on my new network. (Oddly, so is tsn.ca. Weird stuff.)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps more applicable to us all

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by jordanDC on Mar 16, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Strut, eagle! Strut!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec, sir. That’s a keeper of an image.
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Is that Slapshot, or Slapshot junior (who needs a new name). Personally, the name I’d give to the second mascot is “One-Timer” as in he’s there one time, and then gone…
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I thought a “one-timer” was the result of an unprotected one night stand?
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by iwearstripes on Mar 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if that has anything to do with the Olympics? I’ve noticed it as well.
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Not to get too “tinfoil hatty” but his strongest critics yesterday seemed to come from guys in the Canadian press, like McKenzie and Dreger.
Then again, Burnside ripped him then, and defended him yesterday.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Who act as if they’d never have expected to see a hit like that in a hockey game before.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
And then Bob McKenzie dropped this nugget yesterday afternoon:
Truth is the Ovechkin hit on Campbell, or some form of it, happens in almost every game, but if there’s no injury, there’s no penalty.
Which leaves me unclear as to his point of view – should we be handing out two-gamers roughly once per NHL game to get these types of hits out of the game because they’re so awfully dangerous, or are we only punishing results, which will ultimately have far less of a deterrent effect?
The NHL system of justice – as well as most of the people that comment on it – are so effing broken.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It happened late in the Det/Cal game last night.. I believe it was against Kronwall but he got right back up and play continued.
"the other day on sportscenter they said something along the lines of "the capitals score so much tiger woods is jealous" haha had me laughing hard while i was eating my cereal"
Nice ambiguity there on his part. Not to mention, his theory is completely blown out of the water by the fact that guys who HAVE injured people with questionable hits this year (like Cooke and Richards), got no puinshment.
Jokes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
/Punishment.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I found this especially odd in McKenzie’s argument, because he steadfastly maintained that while “morally repugnant” (I think that was the term he uses), Cooke’s hit on Marc Savard was within the rules implying that Savard’s injury did (and should not have) played a role in any decision. Then he went on to Tweet that in Ovechkin’s case, the nature of the injury would play a role in the decision, because (more or less) that’s life.
Which is it?
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
If I had a nickel for each maddening inconsistency surrounding these hits, I’d be a wealthy man.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If I had a nickel for each maddening inconsistency surrounding these hits, I’d have a shitload of nickels.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If I had a nickel for each maddening inconsistency surrounding these hits, I’dbe a wealthy manneed to spend them to get the floor of the house replaced after the collapse….
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on Mar 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was completely confused about that statement from him as well. I generally think McKenzie is one of the more reasonable commentators out there. He’s always seemed at least consistent in his views. So I read that statement yesterday and thought, hey, that’s reasonable, surely then there should no suspension. Then 2 tweeets later he says “Both (Lapierre and Ovechkin) deserved a suspension. I don’t have a huge a problem with discrepancy, tho it wouldn’t have bothered me if Ovie got three games” and I was left dumbfounded.
If anything, Ovechkin’s dizzying highs and worrisome lows only serve to maintain the anti-hero persona that has arisen around him. Whereas the battle for the hearts and minds of hockey fans between Ovie and Sidney Crosby originally came down to who would be the better player, there’s a very intriguing theatrical element to the storyline that has organically evolved.
This isn’t meant as an indictment, but it’s all very pro wrestling.
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“Organically” my foot.
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by jordanDC on Mar 16, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you’re saying the theatrical element is staged?
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So Ovechkin is now Stone Cold Steve Austin? How long before he’s shotgunning beers and flipping off Commissioner Bettman?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t be from that era or wrestling.. too much gray area.
Ovechkin is the Earthquake to Crosby’s Hulkster.
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Iron Sheik?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the sort of adverb that reveals the lie. Part of Ovechkin’s charm — when he wasn’t threatening to actually win the Cup — was that he was a “throwback,” a player who conjured the tough but skilled players such as Maurice Richard (think Richard wasn’t above the sort of hits Ovechkin has laid on guys that have been called “dirty?” or Gordie Howe?)
Now, he’s a sideshow joke? A cartoonishly evil thug?
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He’s the white Snidely Whiplash.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Give the people what they want.
Kill ’em all and let Gary sort ’em out.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Weird that the good guy in every movie is American..
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Kind of makes you wonder what the Russian “good guy/bad guy” movies were like during the cold war
But Mr President! You’re going to allow Ovechkin into the war room? Bu bu bu but he might see the big board!!!!!!
Big board? You’re concerned about the big board? There is no big board as far as you’re concerned! How did you find out about the big board? Did your commie intelligence tell you about the big board?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
over my dead precious bodily fluids
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes Ted the “Gorbachev” guy and George McPhee the manager with the bad Russian accent?
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Actually, I think Bruce would play Gorbie in the movie version:

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I feel as if (after reading the spcktor article) that the image that they are creating inspires teh thought of Russian great boxer Ivan Drago….as Ovie stands over the listless Cambell, he declares without remorse “If he dies, he dies..” (insert russian accent there)
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by OviWankenobi on Mar 16, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn! i should have scrolled up first…now i look like a poser.
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by OviWankenobi on Mar 16, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I’d wonder if it all isn’t just an effort to emasculate Ovechkin and render his game impotent. When Ovechkin’s Capitals were a comedy on ice, or even when the Caps became entertaining (if not a real contender), Ovechkin was merely "Ovie." But now the Caps are a bona fide contender, and Ovechkin — Matt Cooke with a wrist shot — could display his toothless grin while holding the Stanley Cup over his head.
I think the part I bolded helps answer the question some have been asking. To paraphrase: Why has Ovie been singled out more this year? Why so many incidents?
Ovie has been big in the league since his first season. The Capitals have only been a contender in the past two (two and a half) seasons. They are no longer the underdogs, but a rival. More people are seeing the Caps, are talking about the Caps, and are analyzing the Caps. In turn that has put more scrutiny on Ovechkin.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
I could see that since Ovie knows that
that maybe he’s just trying a little bit harder, going for that extra hit, driving the net after a shot, a little more often.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t buy the theory that Ovechkin is being targeted because the Caps are a contender now. His hits have gained more scrutiny because he has issued more borderline hits in a shorter time period than he had in previous years. It was easier to ignore the Briere hit and Heward hit when they are several months apart. But the hit on Gonchar in the playoffs riled up a lot of attention, then the misconduct on the Kaleta hit (as undeserved as the misconduct may be, it was still a borderline hit) put people on notice. He follows it up with another misconduct in short order, and all of a sudden there is a pattern, every questionable hit in the past gets brought up and every hit in the future gets extra attention. Like it or not, he has built up a pattern of questionable hits, and he has lost (and will continue to lose) more of the benefit of the doubt with each passing hit.
His hitting also gains so much more scrutiny also because of his status. It’s rare for a star player to be involved in so many questionable hits so it is a legitimately big story line when Ovechkin dishes out a questionable hit. Pronger’s dirty plays gain a lot of attention for the same reason, but he has been quiet for a while and he’s never been the superstar and media magnet Ovechkin has been.
Ovechkin’s hits gain scrutiny because of his status and his style of play more so than because of his nationality or jersey.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Mar 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with almost all of this but I will vehemently deny that there was anything wrong with the Kaleta hit. If that hit was “borderline” or “dirty” then every single player in the league has carte blanche to put themselves in a vulnerable position the moment before impact. Kaleta saw AO coming, didn’t get tight to the boards, and then turned his back to AO. Should AO have approached that hit assuming Kaleta was going to be a total ass? If that’s the burden we are putting on our physical players then how can you ever hit. Even the NHL rules point out the burden on the puck carrier to defend himself. Kaleta was derelict in his duty. I’d go so far as to say he was intentionally trying to draw a PIM, but I can see how some would disagree with that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Aside from the fact that Kaleta turned his back to the hit, his distance from the boards and AO’s speed makes it a borderline boarding call even if it’s not from behind.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 16, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is that Kaleta saw it coming and had plenty of time to not be 4 feet from the boards. One stride to the outside and he’s up against the boards. I guarantee every player in the NHL would expect a puck carrier to do that there. AO would have had to start pulling up 15 feet away, and that’s ridiculous.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’ve shown remarkable restraint in the Snarkument Du jour. I applaud you.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh. I’m just real busy today.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t saying that Ovechkin was being targeted more because the Caps are now contenders. I was speculating that one reason his play is being noticed more is because the Caps are being noticed/watched more since they are now front runners instead of bottom dwellers.
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I haven’t seen one — any explanation as to why Downie doesn’t get time for his figure four lock on Crosby’s knee?
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The consensus I’ve read seems to be that Crosby wasn’t hurt. Wonder how he feels about that?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
So, “intent” to injure doesn’t count if there is no injury (at least no lasting one), but no intent (but an injury) gets time.
I’d file this for future reference, but that would be pretty futile, eh?
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Imagine if our criminal justice worked like that! If I try to murder someone by shooting at them and miss, I get off scot free. But if I am tossing a frisbee with a friend and it accidentally hits a hemophiliac who bleeds to death, I’m headed to the gas chamber!
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by Scott in Shaw on Mar 16, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Point taken, but AO was a little more culpable than that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
(And we do have the egg-shell skull stuff as well.)
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Reading in between the lines from the Cox column on the suspension, perhaps because the Pens management didn’t lobby hard enough for it given that Crosby wasn’t hurt.
by darwintheboxer on Mar 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s a real problem too, if the amount of lobbying by a team makes any difference in the decision. This whole process (or lack therof) stinks to high heaven.
by MikeBrady on Mar 16, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
the biggest question is how was there not even a hearing!
i could, maybe understand no suspension… but to not even give the guy a call following a play like that, intentional or not, injury or not, is patently ludicrous.
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No internet outrage. The chatter doesn’t care because Crosby wasn’t hurt, slewfooting hasn’t been the suspension flavor of the season, it wasn’t actually a slewfoot, it was just a tangle…blah, blah, blech.
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I think it was mainly because it wasn’t all over TV. When I posted a link to the Downie Crosby mess on youtube over at St Louis Gametime, everyone hated the hit, but had not seen it before. Yet the Ovie hit was mentioned on the front page.
I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!
by Bman21212 on Mar 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
PS
Most people didn’t love the Ovie hit, but didn’t mind it too much either. Of course, the St Louis team has players like Backes, and tends to play a hard nosed type of hockey.
I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!
plus Boyle got away with it in the Olympics.
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by Sombrero Guy on Mar 16, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, exactly, anyone who’s good and plays his son next, I’ll suspend, especially if he’s Russian and isn’t apologetic about it.
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by Marshall Pirate on Mar 16, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
This game we have to worry about David Booth, which we didn’t have to before.
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I’m hoping for this game that the suspension wakes up the urgency in the team and they play a full 60 minutes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That and the absolute best case scenario for the caps is that the whole incident gives the Caps the “us against the world” mentality and they proceed to run the table, going into the playoffs hot and steaming mad.
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Just listened to Pepper’s segment on RSR— excellent job. Very articulate, and I agreed with most everything he brought up. Loved the tin foil hat comment…
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I’m listening to it right now. Great job Pepper! They mispronounced Japers’ of course…
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t listen at work. What is the tinfoil hat comment?
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From Broad Street Hockey:
In other news, the NHL suspended Alex Ovechkin two games for his hit on Brian Campbell. Over at Japer’s Rink, they’re all tinfoil hatty, with J.P. saying such things as: [J.P.’s Fanshot from yesterday]
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Go Flyers!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i guess you were right yesterday, sparkly.. :)
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 16, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yes, I saw that. I still that this comments like that one are the reason why the “Go Flyers” joke continues to hold water.
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by gotsparkly on Mar 16, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pepper mentioned it on the show and said that he asked J.P. if he should get Daniel Carcillo on Matt Bradley on them (jokingly of course).
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
from the comments
a gem:
I wouldn’t get too upset by F & B and JP getting all riled up by criticizing their beloved AO. Caps fans practically stamp their fan cards with it. I made the mistake of wanting to talk hockey w/ other fans at Japers Rink. When I defended my team or disagreed w/ anything that the high and mighty had spoken, they subsequently banned me from their site. I see what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Noting their whining responses to your rational blog post has made me feel better about not taking part in their "discussions".
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Bull Shit Hockey?
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by Sombrero Guy on Mar 16, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather not go there. BSH is a good blog.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
indeed it is
Really enjoy the content.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, the Admins aren’t bad, was referring specifically to the Mario D’s of the world.
My apologies to the BSH guys.
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by Sombrero Guy on Mar 16, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha. It’s not fair to use MarioD to paint another fan base. The Admins do a great job and mikefive is definitely solid.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Loving the misuse of cliche there.
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definitely a classic.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I will say, though, Travis and Geoff typically aren’t like that. I was surprised he interpreted JP’s comment like that.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Where’s my fan card? I need to have it stamped.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whenever I see comments like that, I think back on an F&B sig. To paraphrase:
Opinions of yours I don’t care about: politics, religion, Ovechkin.
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
From scrolling through that person’s comments, they are a Pens fan that was banned for trolling. They should have been banned for insinuating that Jordan Staal was better than Nick Backstrom, but its not like they were just banned randomly.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If anyone cares, that’s from miah, whose body of work at The Rink you can search for and see why s/he was banned for yourself. I assure you it was not for simply defending his/her team or disagreeing. But you knew that.
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Interesting, didn’t realize that. Would’ve linked the to the profile if I had.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Sound logic:
One reason I’m banking on SLO to upset Canada… Hossa HAS to finally win SOMETHING after the past two seasons? Doesn’t he?
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Well, yeah.
I haven’t hooked up with Scarlett Johansson in my lifetime, so I’m due. For sure.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just curious, why was “PWND” the last straw?
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Troll: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory … messages in an online community … with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Pretty text-book example in his/her final comment, IMO, but it really was something of a lifetime achievement in douchebaggery award.
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Gotcha. That’s what I figured. I’ve seen worse final comments, so I figured there was some history there. AO8 comes to mind from a while back.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t speak for AO, but what got me was that he/she’d show up late to a long thread that had already been developed, and without reading it just immediately start sniping to rage the AO/Crosby debate. Very frustrating when the entire argument has already been addressed below and all you are doing is trying to stir shit.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
*
Can’t speak for J.P.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
YES! F&B, single-handedly keeping the asterisk “correction” subject headline practice in use.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 16, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, I thought it’d be worse.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I stopped reading anything involving the suspension. I feel I’ve read everything I need to know on that subject already.
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But there are new people expressing old opinions! It’s exciting!
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Eh, I enjoyed the chance to actually engage Mirtle on the topic.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Btw, for someone who’s happy to not be taking place in our “discussions,” s/he spent a lot of time here, posting more than five times as many comments on our site as on his/her “home” site, Pensburgh.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
get a load of
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Pointing that out is awfully close to something we don’t do around here.
That said, um, yeah. Real nice.
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Eh, sorry. Didn’t seem out of line considering previous conversations, but I see what you mean.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not even sure what I did to get called out there. Maybe for past transgressions but I wasn’t really even that involved in that thread. But as J.P. noted, Miah isn’t telling the full story.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Next five games are Florida, Carolina, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Carolina.
I hate the unbalanced schedule. I’m tired of playing Carolina and Tampa all the time.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions
Remember when we had to play them EIGHT times? Shoot me.
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That was true last season, too — I wonder why it is that we see so much of our division late in the year compared to other teams. No conspiracy – it’s computer-generated – but I have to wonder why.
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Because the league wants us to get bored with hockey going into the playoffs so we’ll falter in the first round! Mind control!
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
In theory, we’re supposed to battle for the division until the end. In reality, we’ll either a) get soft by playing soft opponents before the playoffs or b) prep for the playoffs by testing new plays, lines, etc. You choose a or b.
Hahahahaha. Nice. Computers aren’t in and of themselves intelligent, so there’s absolutely no conspiracy from a computer.
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You’re not paranoid enough to be a Caps fan.
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Ha. There are some things where I do smell a rat, but I subscribe to Hanlon’s Razor:
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Campbell’s office is painted with thermite paint.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Campbell’s collar bone resonates at the same frequency as the human brain. Do you think that’s happenstance or by design?
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Its the HAARP project. Mind control. I’ve seen the warehouse where they intentionally weakened his collar bone.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oswald did not break Campbell’s. Collar bone. You know as well as I do he couldn’t make that hit.
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Campbell was a Navy SEAL. Have you ever served your country? I was in Vietnam!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So if I hit the right frequency and develop the vibrato enough, I can break bones?
AWESOME!
runs off to try it
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The scary thing is, The Pentagon actually made something that can do this.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
It’s called an Autotuner.
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by jordanDC on Mar 16, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
See, this comment and every one after it take the thread off-hockey and need to stop. This isn’t a chat room, it’s a hockey blog. Thanks for efforting to keep it that way.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It’s also highly amusing and spurs the conversation in general. It’s just a little color, and it’s not predominating the other raised threads.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry. It’s going to change.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hope it will. Sometimes it’s impossible to find real hockey talk in a maze of colorful comments about nothing.
by fnralch on Mar 16, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed. The noise-to-signal ratio has gotten unacceptably bad. Ironically, the Off-Topic threads are the most coherent these days. Again, that’s gonna stop.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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No conspiracy – it’s computer-generated – but I have to wonder why.
It actually wouldn’t surprise me if the scheduling program iterates from the beginning of the season to the end, and it is designed to schedule difficult stuff like big coast-to-coast travel first (so you don’t end up with impossible requirements at the end of the season). I think that’s how I’d write the program. And that would leave a bunch of easy-to-schedule games like division matchups left over at the end of the season.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Mar 16, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
So Ovechkin is now considered a repeat offender because a ref blew a call on a clean hit on Kaleta back in November, which was followed by the unfortunate knee on Gleason.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
Pretty much. I still think it’s a hero/villain setup to aid the NHL’s marketing scheme.
No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.
In what sense? I just can’t see referees going out there thinking they’re going to call game misconducts to help the NHL’s marketing.
by David M. Getz on Mar 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah I don’t buy the Refs as NHL marketing pawns theory.
Did the Caps make an effort to get the Kaleta major rescinded?
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Mar 16, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I was surprised we heard about them attempting to get the misconduct rescinded in this case. I feel like a lot of actions like that, we don’t hear about until well after the fact, if at all. (For example, the rationale for sending down Alzner/Neuvirth so they could qualify to play in Hershey over the Olympic break.)
Sometimes, you really just want to hit a b**ch.
That’s how I see it. Media analyst Neal Gabler, who wrote the interesting Life The Movie, better understands the idea of organized entertainment (be it news, television, sports, etc.) needing to fashion and promote narrative. The better the story, the more easily understood the story, the more emotionally connected one can get their audience to the product, the better.
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Did anyone every hear why Campbell was able to rule on the suspension, given that the Caps are playing the Panthers? Doesn’t that seem like a conflict of interest – that he’s given his son’s team an advantage?
I said that yesterday, too, and people accused me of tin foil hattery.
Personally, even the APPEARANCE of a conflict of interest is bad, but I work in an industry that has whole training courses on avoiding those.
Guess hockey doesn’t mind so much.
And it didn’t help the Panthers last time we played them right after Campbell suspended Ovechkin, either…
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They aren’t exactly fashion statements, are they?
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I just tried really hard to find a cool looking one, and I failed.
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No no no. A tinfoil hat, you gotta make yourself, or it’s no good!
Speaking of … maybe we ought to get as many people as possible to wear tinfoil hats to the next home game – hats that get tossed to the ice should we manage to score a hat trick.
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This isn’t a Panther, is it?
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by STLSpidey on Mar 16, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, this comment and every one after it take the thread off-hockey and need to stop. This isn’t a chat room, it’s a hockey blog. Thanks for efforting to keep it that way.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It’s also highly amusing and spurs the conversation in general. It’s just a little color, and it’s not predominating the other raised threads.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry. It’s going to change.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
May I propose some sort of protocol? Maybe this would happen naturally, but if every time one is tempted to respond in an OT way, one would instead respond with a comment like this, it could help:
Responding in the Off-Topic Open ThreadAnd I might even suggest quoting the original comment in the OTOT to keep the digressions relatively organized. If that matters.
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Excellent idea.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I also said that yesterday. I work in a profession where if it looks like a conflict, it IS a conflict. NHL could learn from that.
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by gfcaps fan on Mar 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joking or not, you know a few Panthers have slapped Gregory Campbell on the back and said “Hey – tell your Dad we appreciate it.”
Yeah, probably so.
We’ll see what it gets them, if anything.
They are about to face a P.O’d Caps team, though…
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Bye Ovechkin, hello Mean Lars. Colin Campbell, the Panthers will discover you have chosen…poorly.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
I wonder if Nicklas Backstrom is sorta becoming a household name? Maybe not with the poor CHI-WAS ratings, but maybe he shows up on NBC and Milbury’s map now…(remembering to Milbury leaving Backstrom off his list of Swedish players to watch).
At any rate, if he keeps improving…what do you think his top season will be? I think ~40 goals and 110 points at most with scoring the way it is now. Hard to improve when your team is so good offensively.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
hard to get out from ovie’s shadow, but I notice more and more fans of other teams want to tell me how awesome they think Nicky is.
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I wouldn’t want to get out of AO’s shadow. When you do that you get knee-on-knee’d.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love Backs to become a household name as he is my favourite Cap as well as one guy I would love to see play live. I think right now though with Ovie on the team he faces what Jari Kurri went though on the early 80s Oilers teams with Gretzky. A very good player who will only get more and more recognition as the team becomes a year-in year- out powerhouse.
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by Rather Bengt on Mar 16, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone talks about “poor” Nicky, “stuck” in Ovi’s shadow. I think Nicky is pretty satisfied with AO drawing the eyeballs so he can go about the business of winning.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
A big Semin fan recently told me that she thinks Semin will want to go somewhere else where he can be the star and not 2nd/3rd/4th most impressive player on his team. I disagreed; I don’t think we’ve seen from either Backstrom or Semin that they really want to be in the spotlight all the time.
On the other hand, I do think they, particularly Backstrom, deserve more credit than they’re given – more from the hockey knowledgeable than from the unwashed masses. I’m sure they are big deal players that I’m late to know about or still haven’t realized how good they are, just because I don’t watch that team the way I watch the Caps. I think the feeling of wanting more attention for those guys is because we’re proud of how good they are – even if they don’t care about the attention, themselves.
Sometimes, you really just want to hit a b**ch.
Personally speaking, I didn’t accuse anyone of tinfoil hattery, but I think that it’s distracting from the overall nature of the punishment.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 16, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was accused of said metallic haberdashery, but really I didn’t mean to imply that Ovi was suspended because Campbell was protecting his son, rather that Campbell should have recused himself since there was no way his decision wouldn’t have impacted his son’s team. I’m sure the assistant wheel-spinner would’ve come up with two games as well, but if he had, at least there would’ve been one less reason to query the legitimacy of the decision.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
EXACTLY. Campbell didn’t do it for his boy, he did it because he felt it was what needed to be done.
It just looks real bad that he’s suspended the world’s best player TWICE now right before that player’s team faces his son’s team, and hasn’t recused himself either time.
Campbell needs to step down. Every decision he makes is suspect because his son plays in the NHL. The appearance of impropriety and conflict of interest is just plain bad.
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His kid should just quit.
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by jordanDC on Mar 16, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Makes sense. I think I get it.
G. Campbell quits.
Ovechkin deals his borderline stuff out before Panthers’ games to keep the league on alert. They never know when the lunatic Ovie will emerge.
Because suspending Ovechkin doesn’t help his son, C. Campbell never suspends Ovie again.
And the rest of the league is too dumb to figure out the pattern.
With two goals in 57 games he’ll probably get fired before he quits. But then again if his father keeps supsending Ovechkin before he plays the Panthers, he’s too valuable to let go.
Poor kid. First Crosby jumps him, now all this.
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That was Campbell? I thought that was Valabik?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he punched Valabik in the nads, but it was Campbell that he jumped after the faceoff.
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Ah, there we go – I definitely took “jumped” as “nad-mastering.”
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, which is worse at his job?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So he recuses himself for a game that’s up on the schedule next, as opposed to what he does now (stepping out of the way of any incidents in Greg’s games). At what point does he step out when it isn’t an issue? If AO does this to a more severe degree last week, does he step out of the way because of a potentially more severe punishment?
I agree that it doesn’t look kosher, but it’s not like we’re talking about the most forward-thinking group of people here. While there’s still someone saying “You’re doing fine, Colie,” the system’s going to be what it’s going to be, regardless of how many times the Caps play the Panthers.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 16, 2010 9:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So we should just let it be that way?
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We are talking about a League whose Commissioner has had two work stoppages on his watch, hence c’est la vie.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 16, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right. If the Caps/Cats was three games out, can he fairly make a decision that doesn’t look bad? Give him 3 and “he’s protecting his kid.” Give him 2 and “he’s not giving a fair punishment because he doesn’t want it to look bad.” All the more reason he should go, IMO – it’s hard for him to do his job without some untoward perceptions.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
Perceptions. The NHL seriously needs to manage perceptions a WHOLE lot better, or the casual fan will be quickly turned off from the game.
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Well, in this instance, the casual fan isn’t turned off by anything because s/he has no clue who colin campbell is, or that his son plays hockey (let alone what team he plays for).
I know that’s getting a little specific and nit-picky when you are talking about overall perceptions, but I very often see people talking about issues that are ONLY discussed in hockey forums (and often only in hockey forums of the two teams that are actively involved in whatever the incident is) and talking about their effect on the “Casual Hockey Fan” and I just don’t buy it. Discussions on the NHL network and inconsistencies in suspension decisions are generally NOT noticed by the “casual hockey fan”.
No, but inconsistent refereeing – “why is that a hook, and that isn’t?” is part of the problem.
Perceptions in general need to be managed.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 16, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree here, that discrepancies for in-game calls do make it hard for for casual fans to “get” the NHL game. Understanding the rules is critical for such a fast game. But, due to the speed of the game it is forgiveable that on-ice officials get things wrong.
However, I disagree with the previous commenter that the casual fan is unaware of the suspension controversy. Hockey only makes the sports news when someone is seriously injured (major media loves the hockey is an uberviolent sport) or when something happens to a superstar.
Given the events of the recent weeks the casual fan would be aware of what has been happening and is likely as confused (despite the legalistic explanation – i.e. No suspension for something that is technically not illegal) by the inconsistency in the supplemental discipline procedures.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that overall the refs do a decent job. That being said, say there’s an injury on the ice or a player bleeds or something. Do you think it’d be a good idea to let them review that for penalties? I mean, they HAVE to call it in that case if there is one, because it’d likely be a double-minor or major I would think.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I too think the on-ice officials do a good job, but I have been watching hockey for years. A new or casual fan doesn’t share our hockey background. They might not understand why one hit is okay and another is a penalty.
As far as reviewing injuries on ice for penalties – no. Not practical and don’t want the NHL to become the NFL. At least not a review that happens during the game.
However, it should automatically occur post-game for those incidents. I would favor additional fines in lieu of suspensions.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the NHL refs do a decent job, but get too sidetracked with injury. Obviously they are not omniscient, but they are very likely to call a penalty on a minor hit that results in an injury, yet miss some major ones that do not. This is more of a problem with the commissioner though, because Campbell DOES have video review.
And I’m not sure video review is good, because it would slow the game down. Not decided on that issue though.
I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!
Injuries typically lead to stoppages in play which gives officials time to make a call they might not have otherwise.
Never mind the influence a home crowd can have on officials.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only in cases of physical fouls that a linesman sees and a referee does not, is what I’m saying.
Not like the NFL, where the coach can demand it.
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I was thinking only in more blatant cases, so maybe once a game or not at all, maybe 5 times in the worst games.
I like the “challenge” flag for teams. Cost your team a TO if you lose it. And also extra TOs if you go to OT.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, the challenge flag – if you lose the challenge, you get two for delay of game, is how I’d handle it.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo.
I know that the hierarchy is full of men who are retired NHL’ers, and therefore there’s a good chance they will have sons eventually playing in the league. When they do, they should not be in any position to affect their careers.
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Interesting take over at “”http://www.litterboxcats.com/2010/3/16/1375438/tuesday-caterwaul-panthers-gameday" target="new">The Litter Box" that I hadn’t seen until just now.
"With Alexander Ovechkin now suspended two games for his hit on Chicago’s Brian Campbell – including tonight’s in Sunrise – there exists a small contingent of hockey fans who claim bias from the NHL executive who ruled on the matter: league disciplinary czar Colin Campbell. What possible favoritism could be in play? Campbell’s son Gregory is a Panther. (Got to wonder who still may have been unaware of that fact…)
Brushing aside the inevitible confusion resulting from three principals in this affair sharing a surname and the smashingly obvious opportunities for a sitcom pilot (“My Three Soups”?), I must agree there is the potential for an appearance of bias, given (Colin) Campbell’s ruling directly affects a game in which his son’s club is involved.
In previous matters regarding the Panthers, Campbell the Elder typically recuses himself from the disciplinary process in an effort to eliminate the perception of favoritism, but not in this case. All the more confounding considering Ovie’s suspension was not automatic.
Alex The Great remains just that, and everyone will have forgotten all about this when Washington squares off against Pittsburgh in a week.
What is a problem has been the Caps’ having no difficulty gutting the Cats all year – with or without Ovechkin: A 26-12 goal differential in five games fleshes that out pretty handily."
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Works his ass off, too, and I can tell you that blogging a shitty team is no fun. Can’t even imagine blogging a shitty team with such a relatively bleak future.
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makes one wonder what the heck all the Caps blogs were doing back in 2006… but then again, we did have Ovechkin….
…before he became a fiend, anyway.
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I mean. When we started, at least there was a future to look forward to. Little did we know it’d be a future of rooting for Darth Vader to win.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m okay with that: Anakin was always way more badass.
And before you start, it was you! DV has no place in a hockey chat!
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by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
bwaHaHa
Alex The Great remains just that, and everyone will have forgotten all about this when Washington squares off against Pittsburgh in a week.
Kidding, right? Ovechkin’s hit on Campbell will be highlit in the pregame ‘Ovi vs. Sid’ dreck, and you’ll get at least three in-game dumbates about how his suspension and rep (“young Russian Captain/dirtydirtyReckless!”) affect his team. It’s the easiest story in the Caps lineup, and you’ll hear Plenty More of it.
by redlineblue on Mar 16, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Pitt vs Wash may be on NHLN next week, but it’s not a “national broadcast”. It will be either the Caps or Pens feed. If they are smart, they’ll pull the Caps feed, and then we won’t hear anything about it.
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by gfcaps fan on Mar 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno, seems like other teams’ fans really don’t like Joe B because he doesn’t show any passion while doing commentary…
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
other teams’ fans may not like Joe B., but that Pitt crew is universally hated by everyone who isn’t a Penguins fan.
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by RedBirdie on Mar 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno, NHLN seems to favor the Pens feed whenever the Pens show on NHLN, Caps or not.
I actually am starting to grow to like Detroit’s PxP guy, although sometimes he starts digressing mid-play.
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that Detroit crew is rather interesting, isn’t it? Swear to god, Murph sounds a little sloshed some nights (not last night).
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I thought he sounded fine last night. I still say that Joe B. and Locker are one of the funnier crews out there, though Nashville’s crew is a trip to listen to sometimes.
I found out, though, that CSN is not alone in aggravating camera angles.
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I do like the SJS crew – they’re some of the easier-on-the-ears guys.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely. I loved watching the CSN feeds Versus gave us last year for the SJS-ANA series. Their guy also subbed in at the Winter Classic, didn’t he?
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t really go wrong out in the Pacific division. Best division for announcing, hands down.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You're doing a heckuva a job, Colie!

Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like this calls for a photoshop
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I feel like it calls for...

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by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
A bit o’ Bryan Helmer love. [RtR]
That is a nice “feel good” piece on Helmer. It reminds me of the same kind of value that Giroux brings to the organization: leadership and experience at the AHL level to help mentor the young prospects. Not to mention what a guy like Helmer means to the local community in Hershey. I will file that article away for the later rounds of this year’s Ranking the Capitals.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions
You mean waaaaaay after David “Top Ten” Steckel is off the board?
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right, like in the 30s and 40s when people start voting based on name recognition and clever images. And I now realize that Helmer isn’t even included in Ranking the Capitals.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He has a great sci-fi sounding backwards name. Remleh!
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That’s pretty good voting criteria once you get up into the 40s. One could also post a picture of a helmet or something. That helps too.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Fix the System
The NHL disipline system has left a lot to be desired over the years and I wonder what exactly the fix to the system would be. Is it as simple as replacing Campbell or do they need to redo the entire system? What should be the focus of suspensions?
I personally would make at least a 3 person team to decide on suspensions and really throw the book at malicious play (15+) but acknowledge that you still have to suspend guys for unintentionally injuring other players. What’s your take?
Redo the system
Put a committee in place.
Make it up of former players and former referees.
Review ALL physical fouls – even the ones not called on the ice – for supplemental discipline.
- The ones not called can be brought to the committee by the fouled team and/or by the video review team in Toronto.
- If a physical foul is not called on the ice and the referee clearly saw what happened, discipline the referee, too.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 16, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There needs to be a real appeal system where the player can defend himself, also. I’m not sure as to the reasoning why, but AO couldn’t defend himself yesterday, and that strikes me as fishy.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is fishy.
They need an appeal process, yes.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 16, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He had a hearing with a Union rep. What would an appeal do? He’d just be re-arguing his case to the same people.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think having a discipline system for the refs, whether they miss an obvious call or make a bad call, should be in place. Hold them accountable to their calls and there should be less tin-foil-hattery going on.
by Elliotte on Mar 16, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hold them accountable publicly?
They could, but then the referees would supposedly “lose all credibility…” which I think is b-s, but I’d like to see it done, too.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
the myth that making refs accountable removes credibility goes along with the myth that removing fighting will ruin hockey.
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by snowburnt on Mar 16, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t there an obvious obstacle to NHL refs losing credibility?
by redlineblue on Mar 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Like, you have to – I don’t know – HAVE some before you can lose it???
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 16, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That is in place, it’s just not public.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Make it up of former players and former referees.
That’s the kind of boys club that got us into this mess.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion, the problem with the current system is transparency. If an official is fined or suspended for missing calls, or making calls that aren’t there, the fans should have a right to know. If a player is suspended, the fans should be entitled to the criteria by which the suspension was assessed. The current system may be fine (I doubt it, but its possible), but without the ability to understand it, the fans and the players can’t learn anything about how the game is supposed to be played.
Making players guess what makes conduct illegal does nothing to curb “illegal” plays.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about, say, have GMs review the plays from the previous night, and if say, 15 of them think there should be additional action, the GMs vote on action, and the CC-replacement just has to sign off on it?
Might be too complicated and too time-consuming.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
NHLPA
Maybe I haven’t been listening, but where has the NHLPA been in all this talk about heatshots and dirty play. I know they’re still dealing with their coup, but shouldn’t they be at the forefront of trying to get things like Cooke and Downie’s plays out of the game?
Yes. But that assumes a functioning and empowered union, which doesn’t exist at present.
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Or would they brush it under the rug because these guys have to be able to make a living, speed of the game, hockey play, etc.
I’ve heard them go both ways on it.
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I thought that was “Chimney Sweep Night”…
…idiots
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Better than the ol’ Banana Toss Night they used to run.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
OK people, Orpik and Seabrook are still ahead of Shultz in the fanhouse poll, Rink Rats need to start voting
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Seabrook? You would have thought that after Nik made him look like an AHL player on the OT winner, there’d be a lot less love for him.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Seabrook gets name recognition from the Olympics and his play since then aside, has been an excellent player along side Duncan Keith. Chris Burton and I disagree on how good Seabs actually is, but he’s got a pretty serious body of work to consider.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Yes we do. I know you have stats, but I have me EYES!
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Following up, it may not be so much that I think Seabrook is overrated as it is how much respect I have for the awesome of Duncan Keith, because you rarely see them apart.
I just don’t think that Seabrook is an elite player like Keith, Green, Weber, or even Doughty. He’s probably not as good as Suter or a few of his other peers, either.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Duncan Keith is going to win the Norris Trophy this year, that’s just about a stone-cold lock. He deserves it, too.
After the Olympics, I’d buy Suter is better, but I’d have to see more of him over the course of the season. The NSH games I get to watch (I have DirecTV and no center ice) are few and far between.
There’s no chance I’m taking Seabrook over any of those guys you mentioned, but I do think he’s in the next tier down below elite. He’s certainly not middling or average, Biscuit can flat-out play.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Its an interesting discussion, for sure, and one of my favorites because I have dogs in that fight. I’m hoping to do a post on the best d-pairs in the league sometime soon.
I agree on the Norris- no way anyone else should win.
I think that the young defensemen (Keith, Doughty, Weber, Suter, Green, Seabrook, etc.) have for the most part taken over the reins from the old guard as far as effectiveness goes.
So for the sake of discussion, who is everyone’s a) top five d-pairs and b) top however many defensemen? (and JP, is this okay here or should it be a FanShot?)
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
from my understanding, all hockey-related chat is welcome in clips threads.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a proper understanding.
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Well since the poll was in the clips, discussion related to who are the best defensemen in the league is on topic I would think
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Sounds good; I’m still slightly unclear on the protocol here.
We’re talking about the best all around D, though— that poll is the best defensive defensemen- obviously, because of Greg Zanon’s presence.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Top pairs takes a lot of work but I think I’d do Weber/Suter; Lidstrom/Kronwall or Rafalski; Keith/Seabrook. I don’t even know who else I’d put up there. Pronger/Timonen would make the list if they played together.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
2009: Zdeno Chara… Mike Green
2010: Duncan Keith… Mike Green
2011: Shea Weber… Mike Green
2012: Drew Doughty… Mike Green
2013: Victor Hedman… Mike Green
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You think Weber gets it before Doughty?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like it’s going to shape up that way. I’ll take a cup in 2010 and 2011 in exchange, though.
Of course, in this town, we’re calling Keith overrated after Sunday, right?
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Its Seabrook thats overrated— Keith is the real deal.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone pointed out the statistics for Keith and Green in that game. I’m ignoring the rest of the season for argument’s sake.
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I see the snark, but one game does not an argument make ;)
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t happen, cause then Ovie’d have 2 cups to SC’s 1, and that would upset Maxime Talbot.
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by bilspacecadet on Mar 16, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, since Talbot can predict the future, maybe we should ask him who will win the next five Norris trophys.
by b.orr4 on Mar 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You think Hedman is that good? I’m assuming these are your next five Norris winners and runners=up, right?
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Victor Hedman is an amazing skater with Pronger’s reach and more bulk. He’s got all the physical tools to be a first ballot HOF guy, the question is how he’s going to develop mentally.
The potential is definitely there.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough; I don’t have a good sample size on him like I do Keith or Doughty. I will say I’d have taken him before Tavares, though.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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by EmilyB on Mar 16, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, true, but its not so much because of the offense by defense thing. Mainly because Tavares isn’t a number one pick talent, IMO. I would take Duchene over Hedman on the other hand.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The Islanders needed a “splash”. Tavares gave them that.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you have said that over the summer though? Duchene was a bit of a PR risk, if you are concerned with that stuff.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Particularly for the Isles who already passed over some high profile guys to reach for Bailey in the previous draft.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 16, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean reached? He was their guy all along!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Nashville wouldn’t have been concerned with PR, but yeah, NYI probably was.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of that list, I’m probably taking Vlasic or … damn, there’s a lot of really good players on that list. One thing I disagree with — at least this year, I think that Regehr is getting by on reputation alone. He’s not the same player that he was in years past and I think there’s a better choice on his own team: Mark Giordano. Guy has been quietly outstanding this season.
Orpik is probably either PIT fans stuffing the ballot or name recognition from the Olympics and two straight SCF appearances.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I subscribe to what D’oh said yesterday: don’t vote for him just because he’s out guy. Some numbers for comparison:
Schultz: 4.5 Defensive GVT, 1.71 GAON/60, 1.22 Relative +/-, 0.041 QualComp, 0.266 QualTeam
Seabrook: 7.1 Defensive GVT, 2.46 GAON/60, 0.38 Relative +/-, 0.1 QualComp, 0.066 QualTeam
Orpik: 3.5 Defensive GVT, 2.54 GAON/60, 0.32 Relative +/-, 0.076 QualComp, -0.084 QualTeam
I think it’s pretty close between Schultz and Seabrook, although I haven’t seen Seabrook play enough to make a fair judgment.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Schultz also has the higher offensive GVT of the bunch, which closes the gap a little bit on Seabrook for GVT.
Yup, that’s why I only included Defensive GVT.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If Schultz has the higher GVTO then you know those other guys are worthless more than 90 feet from their net.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
VOTE
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/15/vote-fanhouses-best-defensive-defenseman-of-2009-10/
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Gah
The ghost of Joe Finley’s arrest is back in the news, after Lawnmower Man’s running dog Matt Frattin made an ugly hit at UND.
Finley, BTW is still with the Stingrays but apparently out for the season with a hand injury.
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Is he playing F or D down in the E for SC?
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He was playing F in Hershey in Training Camp – then went to SC and became a D again.
by OverTheBoards on Mar 16, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
F. Duh. No one plays D in the E.
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I was hoping that would have a been a link to the YouTube of Finley at the Golden Corral…
by OverTheBoards on Mar 16, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, wow. I had totally forgotten about that.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
F. Duh. No one plays D in the E.
G…
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Denis Potvin
I never thought I’d be saying this, but Denis Potvin was the most amazing voice of reason this morning on XM Home Ice. After Shawn Lavigne and Mike Rossi had been going on for an hour ridiculing Caps fans as well as George McPhee and Bruce Boudreau for being baseless homers, they brought on Potvin for his morning commentary. Fully expecting him to follow the company line of blasting Ovechkin, Potvin stunned them both by saying the hit was routine and that the fault for the injury was with Campbell for twisting his body to reverse the puck instead of carrying it to the safe area behind the net. The fact that Potvin’s a HOF defenseman and he completely sided with Ovechkin and not Campbell may have been the most compelling indictment of the NHL’s disciplinary proceedings I’ve heard to date.
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also weird to find myself nodding my head while reading a scott burnside column.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 16, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m waiting for Scotty to make an appearance with the MSG chant, but yeah.
Good on Potvin for recognizing that the injury was at least partially a result of what Campbell did (twisting his torso 90 degrees from his direction of travel, toe-picking) and that Ovechkin shouldn’t be suspended if that’s the case.
It’s different in a Cooke or Richards situation where their actions were the sole cause of the injuries and neither of them got suspensions. That’s what makes all of this so incredibly maddening. I’ll stop now, though, because this was hashed out in depth yesterday.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the audio from Potvin, for anyone interested.
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by J.P. on Mar 16, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Potvin stunned them both by saying the hit was routine and that the fault for the injury was with Campbell for twisting his body to reverse the puck instead of carrying it to the safe area behind the net
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by ThePeerless on Mar 16, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly enough, Rossi and Lavigne had Todd Marchant on later in the show (yeah, I’m getting nothing done this morning) and gave him the old “Isn’t this a perfect example of players not respecting each other” line and Marchant and turned it back on them by saying Campbell has to be more aware of where he is on the ice and not put himself in a dangerous position. Basically, Ovi was doing what he was supposed to do and Campbell didn’t.
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with your intrepid two-sided commentary, you could have said that no matter what potvin said!
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, just like the knee on knee hits to Gleason and Gonchar, both were a result of Captain A.O. going in a lttle out of control and the intended target trying to jump out of the way at the last second.
Captain A.O. had no time or chance to react and Gleason and Gonchar weren’t able to totally get out of way. A knee on knee collision resulted.
Yeah Campbell decided to dump the puck away instead to trying to outskate one of the faster skaters in the leauge, But even I can admit that Captain A.O. didn’t have to make contract with Campbell in order to “finish his check.”
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But that is finishing his check. If he lets Campbell off entirely and just circles around to start the backcheck, Campbell’s got a head of steam and could break into the zone a la Mike Green. Finishing his check was the defensively responsible thing to do.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonchar left his knee in Ovi’s path, I don’t blame Ovi for that one. Ovi stepped and stuck out his knee as a result of trying to engage Gleason, that one was on Ovi.
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This may be old-hat, but after Stephen’s performance last night on Rinkside Radio I propose you all call him Sergeant Pepper.
Good listen, that one.
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So I know there’s this meme out there about superstars never getting suspended, but since there are major gaps in my hockey memory, I’d kind of like to pose this to the group:
Ovie’s kind of a rare breed, in that he’s an incredible goal-scoring talent who also plays a physical game. I can’t think of one other player in the NHL who has the sort of offensive flair and physical edge that Ovechkin does. Going off the premise that players who play a hard-nosed, physical game and throw big body checks are more likely to get suspended than players who don’t play a tremendously physical game, wouldn’t Ovechkin is more likely to throw a bone-crushing and suspension-worthy hit than any other NHL “superstar?”
I mean, right now, I’m trying to think of some other star in the NHL who throws hits like Ovie does and hasn’t been suspended for them. The only name I’m coming up with is Chris Pronger, and he’s been suspended multiple times. But maybe I’m not thinking about this hard enough. Educate me.
And if I’m rightfully drawing a blank here, then suspensions are going to be part-and-parcel of what we get with Ovechkin, and we may have to shrug our shoulders as Caps fans and take the good with the bad.
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There aren’t any stars that play as consistently physical as AO or Pronger, but there are definitely stars that have gotten away with cheap shots. They are just more subtle because these other stars aren’t always out there wreaking havoc physically. Malkin comes to mind.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 16, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Getzlaf and Perry are no angels.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you’re understating that just a bit.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anybody else notice…
A lack of comments by Colin Campbell himself in explaning why he handed down the suspension?
It’s almost as if he’s hiding something here…
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Oh I noticed, and was infuriated. Not because I think the suspension was unduly harsh, but because its just another glaring example of inconsistency.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 16, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
How are you going to explain why Ovechkin is suspended but Downie, Richards and Cooke weren’t?
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I just think C Campbell doesn’t like Ovechkin, and it influences his judgement. Not a big conspiracy, just an unfortunate result of placing a highly subjective decision in the hands of one person with no accountability to anyone.
I’m cynical enough to believe that it is just an image thing the NHL is trying to portay. Look at the Downie/Crosby debacle. No one is going to see it, Crosby fortunately wasn’t hurt; Why make an issue out of it and put it on ESPN? Everyone saw the Ovechkin hit, they need to make it seem like hockey isn’t something super violent. Throw him a 2 game suspension, he’ll be back for the Pittsburgh game.
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by sydtron on Mar 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look at me, I’m Campbell’s thought process!
Or would that be, “Owwie, my clavicle!”
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
playoff match-ups!
EAST
(p)Washington vs. Boston
Pittsburgh vs. Montreal
Buffalo vs. Philadelphia
New Jersey vs. Ottawa
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San Jose vs. Detroit
Chicago vs. Nashville
Vancouver vs. Colorado
Phoenix vs. Los Angeles
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by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve noticed missing Caps plays before, but I think their plays of the week cut off on Fridays. Look for it next week.
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So, it was either him or 25 right?
I think Flash is the guy most suited to play in Ovechkin’s spot up there. He seems to have a better shot than Chimera. Plus Backstrom negates anything Flash makes us lose defensively.
I’d have preferred Semin up there but he seems to be clicking with Laich. Not sure it’s worth breaking up that combination.
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It’s a great chance for Flash to step up his game even more since being scratched.
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Bruce, You’re Fucking Out. I’m Fucking In.
Flash.
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I’m eager to see. I’m beginning to think Flash could turn into a 30 goal scorer if he puts in the effort on other parts of his play so that he can demand adequate ice time.
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Shit, AO’s out – it’s ripe time for Flash to go on a tear.
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Boo. Want Jason Chimera up top. The first two thirds of the line would be a blur, then Kanoobie pops up on the crease and bangs in a rebound from a shot nobody even saw.
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On conflicts of interest
So, figuring that someone, somewhere was going to see JPs comment in the fanshot and all the ensuing discussion on conflict of interest, and assume that we actually think that Colin Campbell is favoring his son’s team, I decided to look at the numbers and see what teams were actually affected most by NHL suspension rulings. What I was hoping to see was that everything was pretty even.
What the numbers show is that, yes, things are pretty even. Each team played an average of 2.2 games against a team with at least 1 suspended player (Std. Dev. 1.35). The only teams outside of 1 standard deviation are Chicago with 0 games, Buffalo, Florida, and Toronto with 5 games, and New Jersey and Pittsburgh with 4 games. I wouldn’t read too much into that because of the relatively small sample size and the integral nature of the data.

My conclusion is that things are indeed pretty fair in the sense of what I was looking at (controversy about what should and should not be a suspendable offense not withstanding). You can see that Florida is not getting some kind of super special advantage (that other teams are not also getting) here, but I do think the appearance for a conflict of interest in 5 out of the 30 man games lost to suspension is pretty significant.
As a bonus, since I’m not going to look and see what teams gained advantages from not playing against certain players (based on some quality or skill measure), here are the players that sat against the most “advantaged” teams
Buffalo: Pascal Morency (overflow from preseason), Francis Lessard (overflow from preseason), Curtis Glencross, George Laraque, Daniel Briere
Florida: Steve Ott, Alex Ovechkin x2, Andy Sutton, Derek Boogard
Toronto: Evgeny Artyukhin, Steve Ott, Curtis Glencross, George Laraque, Patrick Kaleta
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by renstar on Mar 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Not sure this has been mentioned yet, but can anyone explain to me why something like intent to injure is factored into decisions on controversial hits but not on fights? Why do some guys drop the gloves? It’s not to exchange pleasantries, it’s to beat the hell out of another guy’s face.
I love fighting in the NHL but the whole concept just seems extremely hypocritical to me, especially in light of my favorite player getting suspended for playing hard, for playing the game the right way.
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Judging from the non-suspension on Downie, and the suspension on Ovechkin…I’m wondering where you’re seeing intent coming in to play.
I see a lot more of decisions based on injury, regardless of intent.
Perhaps intent wasn’t used in Downie’s case, or Cooke’s case, or Richards case…yada yada….but I’ve seen it considered before. I’m pretty sure Campbell looked at intent after Ovie’s hit on Gleason and nailed him for two games.
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I don’t think intent played much of a factor in the Gleason suspension. I think it was more because AO had a game misconduct just recently, had a knee-on-knee incident last season, and then had an even worse one against CAR. He had reached a point where he needed a message sent. I don’t think the suspension was a sign that they thought the knee was intentional or it would have been longer.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think fighting is more tradition. Every hockey traditionalist would be up in arms if they add a significant penalty for fighting.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighting, IMO, is viewed – IF both men go at it willingly – as voluntary. This is why we have the instigator penalty for jumping someone off the faceoff circle, and the third man in penalty for getting involved in an already-underway altercation.
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Because when you fight both guys square off and know what they are getting into. The issue with the other attempt to injure plays is whether a player took advantage of another player in a vulnerable position.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So it’s okay for two players to try to injure each other simultaneously but not if one is unsuspecting? Was this the logic behind duels? Andrew Jackson may buy it but I don’t.
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It’s a matter of consent.
And if you want staged fighting eliminated from hockey, all you have to do is tell the guys, “fine, you fight, you get hurt, your leave is unpaid while you heal up.”
Hit them in the wallet. It’ll stop real fast.
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From caps Insider, Stecks, Walker, Poti and Oisk are the invited guests in the Alex Ovechkin Suite in Sunrise tonight, Theo in goal and varly with a ball cap.
With the captain and one alternate out, Brooks will prolly get an A on his sweater. He and Knubs oughta be able to keep things running.
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I wonder if Backstrom will get an A too. They usually go with three As when the C is out, right?
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I believe so. This means Q and Sloan are playing as well, correct?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess that’s our opinion of the Panthers play – Sloan and Laing.
All you Panther fans who bought tix to see AO, too bad.
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this is the third time in six games the Ovie’s missed a panthers game, right?
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I thought I read fourth. Second for suspension and two for injury.
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He would have earned it for his leadership on Sunday for sure. We’ll see…
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B.Mo is usually first in line for the third A. With Ovie and Poti out, my guess is Knuble, B.Mo, and Brooksie.
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Jeepers. JP’s gonna need a second period thread for the AO apology.
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by EmilyB on Mar 16, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nah, it just needs to close. We all got out what we wanted to. Rant/Vent over :-).
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 16, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
More stat brilliance from Dirk. o.O
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almost as interesting is which high-profile players didn’t make the list.
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And how obscenely good Nick Lidstrom still is.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that was surprising
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially given how much people have talked about him having a “bad” year. He’s turned it on of late as well. He’s still so good but I don’t see him sticking around much longer.
Why is Crosby one of the poll options when he didn’t even crack that chart?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
Good question; leave a comment!
I definitely don’t think he’s having an MVP year.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
but, but, but, he scores in the shootout!
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so does Mike Santorelli. With more frequency :).
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
one of the few joys I’ve been able to take out of watching enduring the Red Wings Season from Hell is the remarkable wonder that is Nick Lidstrom. (and Homer. I love that guy)
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wait
Closet Wings fan?
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
no, married to a Wings fan. but we only have one TV and since we have Caps seasons tickets, the agreement is Red Wings games get precedence over anything else on TV. So, I’ve endured, like all good wives do.
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Watched an OHL game with Cam Fowler the other night— I gotta give you some credit here. He’s got some pretty good tools. I was quite impressed. I might even take him over Taylor Hall. He seems to need some more bulk, though.
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He’s 18, of course he needs more bulk. If I have the top pick I’m taking Fowler over Hall every time. Hall may have some flash in the OHL, and surely has skill, but he definitely needs more bulk, doesn’t have a great projectable frame, and absolutely got erased in the WJC against USA. Maybe he just needs to grow up and physically mature, but for all the hype about his skill I was not impressed by him when he actually had to face a real team. Fowler absolutely dominated him, and Carlson had a couple big hits on him as well. I haven’t gotten a look at Seguin yet but I probably would take him over Hall just because. Hall for draft bust!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I got to see Seguin play a game, kid has really nice vision and a great wrister. He’s also a C, so that helps his value, too.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
puck daddy
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And wow, Hall is the more physically ready player? I don’t really care who EDM takes. If they take Fowler, then we don’t have to see him 6 times a year. If they take Hall, it can be another hysterical EDM bust. Seguin might be the safe pick because he’s top ranked, but I still can’t comment much on him until I see him play.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
One nice thing about the Carolina resurgence. I was really worried we’d have to deal with Hedman, Bogosian and Fowler all in our division for the next decade.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I still want CAR to finish 9th in the east. I was hoping CAR would draft a bust in the lotto, but I’d even rather them not get a lotto pick.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Boston probably won’t take Fowler so that leaves him to Edmonton or…Columbus? That might be a good fit. Fowler/Mason/Nash/Brassard/Filatov is a good core.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see why they wouldn’t. HF is saying they don’t have any prospects that project to 1st pair and a couple that’ll be 3/4 guys if they’re lucky. Chara is getting old, they could use the skill at D.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the fan base would revolt. They have zero scoring, and using a high pick on it is going to appease. And its not just the fan base—they do need it.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. BOS could use a lot of everything. Though looking at this year you could say they need an impact scorer more than anything else. If they go the short-sighted route to try to get back to winning the division and replacing Kessel I could easily see them taking a F. Like I said, I’d take Fowler, but I also would have taken Hedman first last year.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like they already have a pretty good C prospect and RW prospect. I don’t think Hall or Seguin are ready to jump right into the NHL and make an instant impact as top line forwards in the NHL. If I’m Chiarelli and Fowler is still on the board, kid is mine.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think any of the 3 are physically mature enough to play in the NHL yet, but we’ll see. Everything I’ve seen expects them all to be in the NHL next year and with all the 18 year old success lately I think teams are going to push for that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 16, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Pulled up HF, and their top prospects are predominantly center. That probably rules Seguin out, but not Hall. I wouldn’t be shocked to see them take Hall for the name value.
Who’s the fourth best prospect?
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Another D man, drawing a blank on his name right now.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, ISS has it as an RW from the KHL and the D I was thinking of is Brandon Gormley of the QMJHL.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
okay
Haven’t heard much about the other prospects besides the top 3, but I’ll remedy that in the offseason, like I said.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
its Chiarelli
so they go short term.
The more I think about it though the more I don’t want CBJ with Fowler.
Nash/Brassard/Filatov
Voracek/Umberger/Dorsett
Vermette
Hejda/Tyutin/Fowler/Steve Mason is a a little more good than I’d like them to be.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Hejda, he sprained his knee and is done for the season. The hits just keep coming for CBJ.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 16, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I haven’t really bought the Taylor Hall hype, but I’ll get into all that after the Preds year is over. One thing at a time!
I was really bummed though that they healthy scratched Ryan Ellis in the game I watched :(
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by Chris Burton on Mar 16, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
because no one transcribes radio interviews quite like Agent Steinz, here’s Gary Williams on Ovechkin:
I saw the hit on a replay," he said. "I wasn’t watching the game, but I saw the hit on SportsCenter or something like that. I don’t know the rules that well. I mean, he hit the guy from behind into the boards, and I guess it looked bad, but I thought In hockey there was no penalty if there wasn’t any blood.
laugh? cry? attribute it to Gary being Gary?
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