Alex Ovechkin Suspended for Two Games
Per Tarik El Bashir, Alex Ovechkin has been suspended for two games.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: these hits (Ovechkin's, Steve Downie's, Matt Cooke's, etc.) are Rorschach tests; people see what they want to see in them, be it a chance to critique the game, promote a hero by unfairly ripping apart a "villain," or what have you. Me? I saw a two-minute minor for boarding. Apparently Colin Campbell (whose son, incidentally, will face the Caps tomorrow night in Sunrise) saw it differently.
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Ridiculous…Hope this doesnt set him up for a Playoff suspension if there is a questionable call
I ain't a playa, I just Puck alot
Nah. You have to kill someone to get suspended in the playoffs.
by David M. Getz on Mar 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Or elbow them in the head
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Was that elbowee you have in mind knocked out for the duration of the playoffs?
I think that’s the bottom line litmus configuration in a playoff ban (incidentally)
by Icebat on Mar 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Pronger Elbow
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Heh. I was sure you meant Domi.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hah
Yeah, needless to say, that was a bad hit.
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Nah. I think it was pretty good.
/totally wanted TOR to win that series and am mostly pissed that the hit woke up NJD.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not as pissed as I was/am/will always be DIE DOMI DIE
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Yeah probably not as pissed as you. But don’t underestimate how much I hate the Devils. And TOR was my second team for a long time, so I did independently want them to win as well.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The Domi The?
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by J.P. on Mar 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If that makes Bettman Alonzo Moseley, I swear…
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Two games. And:
- Downie gets nothing for his blatant slew-foot on Crosby?
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I don’t know if you came up with that, but I had to leave a comment to let you know how hard that made me laugh.
Thanks. I don’t think I saw it anywhere else first. :-) Gotta have SOME lightheartedness about this whole mess… :-p
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
True. Sometimes I do wonder if they decide this hit using a giant wheel, Wheel of Fortune style, or by throwing a dart at a board separated by sections into the amount of games which a player will be suspended for (2 games, 5 games, etc.) and issue the punishment accordingly. Because that’s about the only thing that would make sense.
Come on
Let’s take the tinfoil hats off.
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by PPP on Mar 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brashear was suspended for the same hit in the playoffs.
Green was suspended for a similar hit earlier in the season.
Lets not forget that the first of the misconducts against Ovechkin was a blown call that never should have been made.
Brashear took strides to hit a guy long after the puck was gone. Discernible difference.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Green definitely led with his elbow. They are definitely different.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
he had his elbow up, but hit with his shoulder. Cooke was sneakier but lifted his elbow into savards head on the replay.
I have seen both of those replays and saw them the exact opposite way you just described.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
by Sct112 on Mar 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For those who didn't see the later angle
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/mike_green_says_he_didnt_elbow.html
That one changed my mind from elbow to not. Still a dirty hit, but not illegal untilne xt year.
Then you need to look at the link six hole posted, then go to youtube and look at the matt cooke hit. He lifts his elbow slightly so that his arm is bent going into the hit afterwards you see him following through with his elbow, lifting it through the hit. if you don’t see it at first, watch it again. If you don’t see it after that, go here and then watch it. If that doesn’t help then I don’t know what to tell you.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
I’m pretty sure we were all in agreement Brashear had that suspension coming
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather not compare Ovechkin’s hit to Cooke’s. Cooke couldn’t have been suspended because Richards wasn’t suspended. ’Nuff said.
However, you do want to see more consistency from the league.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
See, i disagree here. they are so inconsistent on everything else, suspending Cooke and not Richards would have been par for the course. They picked a really random time to play the consistency card.
Hell, they could have suspended Cooke, admitting that they fucked up the Richards case, and use it as a way to lay the law down and say that those hits won’t be tolerated, period.
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by renstar on Mar 15, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So how about the Adams on Ovechkin hit? Or Kozlov on Gomez (possibly the worst hit of the year that nobody is talking about)? Handzus on Hemsky?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, the fish rots from the head down. If Cooke had been suspended, what do you think the Penguins would have done? They would have complained about the Richards – Booth hit. That hit was suspendable in my opinion, and I would have liked to see the league act on that. But they didn’t. This is all a result of the maddening inconsistency of the NHL, which is something I think we can all agree on.
Blame it on the NHL.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly Cooke needs to be out of the NHL.
After watching Don Cherry’s bit about Cooke, I don’ t think there is a place for a malicious player like that in the NHL.
Downie is starting to become that kind of player, his leglock on Crosby was despicable
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I thought for sure it would have been Viktor. If anyone knows how bad a hard hit can hurt, it would be Slava Kozlov….
they were talking about this year, and Viktor is too slow to lay into anyone really, plus he was never dirty
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Slava doesn’t have a dirty rep either. Kozlov could truck people if he wanted to, but then again he could also dominate a shift if he wanted to.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does Viktor Kozlov still play in the NHL?
And I feel you on the ‘could’ thing. I’m so over players who are too lazy to utilize their talent in productive ways.
No, he’s playing for Salavat Yulaev in the KHL now.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Slava. It was earlier in the year when MON won in OT. It was in a TSN highlight package from the game but that’s the only place I saw it online. It was also on NHL on the Fly. You may be able to find it archived somewhere but it’s not a quick search.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you can dig it out on TSN if it’s worth it for you. In OT there was a loose puck on the halfboards and Kozlov was floating to it but Gomez skated past him to take body position and get the puck. As soon as Gomez got right in front of Kozlov Kozlov crosschecked Gomez in the back and sent him face first toward the boards. Absolutely ridiculous.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think I remember that because Gomez got right back up and started punching Kozlov. That surprised me because I’ve been a Devils fan for over a decade and I don’t think I ever saw Gomez fight in his entire career with New Jersey.
Yup, it started a huge scrum. I don’t know how that hit stayed so under the radar.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely. I was stunned when Slava did that. Totally out of character. Looked as if he was retaliating for something, it was a wicked hit.
The Michal Handzus hit on Hemsky is terrible as well. People noticed because it ended Hemsky’s year but I don’t recall much outrage, and he wasn’t suspended.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather they stick to inconsistency and get it right half the time.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Cooke technically could not be suspended because under the current NHL rulebook, his hit on Marc Savard is not illegal. Boarding, however, is illegal, and punishable by a two-minute minor, a five-minute major, or a five-minute major and expulsion from the game with the possibility of supplemental discipline at the discretion (and I use this word loosely) of the disciplinary committee. Therein lies the main difference between Cooke’s hit on Savard and Ovechkin’s hit and Campbell (aside from the fact that the Cooke hit was a shoulder to the head – again, not currently against the rules – and the Ovechkin hit was a hit from behind into the boards).
Perhaps, but an intent to injury penalty is issued at the discretion of the officials, and Cooke was not issued that or any other penalty on that play, leading me to believe the officials calling that game did not feel Cooke intended to injure Savard even though that was the ultimate outcome of the play. Therefore, the point is moot.
NHL officiating and supplemental discipline is ridiculous already. Would it really offend your (or anyone’s) sense of justice if they said “we suspend Matt Cooke for intent to injure”? I get the legal textual argument, but coming from this particular organization it’s a laughable excuse.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It would offend my sense of justice (I’m an idealist that way I guess), but it totally would not have surprised me if Cooke had been suspended even if what he did technically is not illegal, there was no penalty on the play and there was a precedent of not punishing players for similar hits. If there is one thing I have learned during my time as hockey fan about Colin Campbell and his kangaroo court of hockey justice, it’s that the only things in life one can truly count on are death, taxes and the inconsistency of the NHL’s supplementary discipline committee.
I’m fine with the Ovie suspension (even if the whole disciplinary process baffles me), but the Green one still pisses me off. Green got 3 games for elbowing someone in the face. Gonchar got 0 games for elbowing someone in the back of the head. For him they gave the excuse that he wasn’t a repeat offender. Green’s hit was right after the Cormier debacle. In other words, Green got suspended where Gonchar didn’t entirely for PR reasons on the NHLs part.
I don’t think this is anti-Caps bias as much as bad timing, but you look at that and compare it to the non-suspension of Cooke and the ensuing backlash followed by a two-game suspension of Ovie and it’s understandable why people are tinfoiling up. I recognize the reasoning on the Cooke hit but it just makes it worse. Add in their pathetic explanation about their “hands being tied” regarding head shots but then compare the rescinding of an automatic one game in the finals against the team that this fanbase hates and will notice… all these things mean I can’t just dismiss a conspiracy theorist as a nutjob. I still disagree with them, but the total lack of consistency from the league gives them more of a leg to stand on than they would normally have.
No, he would have been suspended if they didn’t fucking blow the Richards hit situation.
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by jordanDC on Mar 15, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But they can’t keep anything else straight, so why the hell else would they pretend to be consistent for the Cooke thing. Thats what I don’t get. One day they have to do it one way to stay consistent, the next day its all over the fucking map again
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They must have heard that we wanted consistency. They missed the part where we wanted them to make the RIGHT choice consistently.
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Yeah
And it’s bullshit but just because they screw up one decision doesn’t mean that they have to screw them all up.
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but a two game suspension of the best player on the caps can really help your son when he is playing them in two days
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by Area 51 Forever on Mar 15, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
probably not, they’ve racked up the points when he’s been gone, particularly against teams as crappy as the panthers. If anything, the caps are out for blood and his son is right in their path.
wow dude...snark...big time snark
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by Area 51 Forever on Mar 15, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Your username is very fitting for your conspiracy theories.
The plot point I have yet to figure out is, how did Colin Campbell get Ovie to make that hit two games prior to his meeting with the Panthers.
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by Area 51 Forever on Mar 15, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
With all due respect, it’s Greg freaking Campbell.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you on this, I don’t see the conspiracy to help the panthers. dumb argument.
On a related note, the appearance of a conflict if interest just shouldn’t be there, though.
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Well yeah, but that requires some forward thinking by the League.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s no conspiracy, but there is an incredible appearance of conflict of interest. Campbell’s kid works for the Florida Panthers. In theory, suspending the leading scorer in the league should be a big benefit to his son’s team in its attempt to make the playoffs. Put into more simple terms, if a judge issued a ruling against Company A that directly hampered their ability to compete against Company B for which his son works, he be brought up before the Bar for a variety of charges. It just shouldn’t happen, but then again it is the NHL.
Federal employees are subject to a wide variety of restrictions on their personal activities and investments simply because of appearance of conflict of interest, among them a ban on participating in any federal or state election campaign for any particular candidate. (The Hatch Act, if you’re curious.)
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In THEORY….but it’s been proven time and time again that this team doesn’t NEED Ovi to score and win.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How much experience do you have with corporate and media politics? In order to understand all of that rot, you need to understand one important fact: Appearances matter, often more than the reality. While your answer may be factually correct, and you and I know that, we know from NBC that the outside perception is that the loss of Ovi makes the Caps vulnerable.
Many corporations and government officials go out of their way to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest that can be called into question, because the appearance can cause trouble. True or not, it looks bad, and that is the point being drawn here.
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Woa, settle down. I wasn’t talking about appearances at all here. I know you are, and I agree with what you’re saying 100% about the appearance of conflict of interest. I was merely stating that in reality while it would obviously be nice to have him, we don’t need him, especially against Florida.
And quite fankly? 99% of the time I could care less what NBC thinks.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as they keep making 30 Rock, I don’t care.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Half the reason I love 30 Rock is bc they diss on NBC non-stop.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not upset :) I know nothing about your background, and some people haven’t had to deal with cases where appearance trumps reality.
I agree with you – we don’t need him. As far as the games go, it doesn’t matter, and hell it might even benefit us in the form of waking the guys up and giving them the kick in the ass that they need to play a 60 minute game. That’d be nice, and if that happens I’ll thank Colin Campbell myself.
To me, it’s just that Campbell should have recused himself to avoid that appearance. He does his Wheel of Justice no favors by ignoring that appearance.
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I actually really hope this rest, combined with making him mad, will bring the pre-Olympic Ovi back. I’ve missed him.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think there’s anyone outside the Florida organization who really believes that the Pathers have a snowball’s chance in Florida of making the playoffs.
Yeah, but I don’t like to use words that could be considered profanity when posting in a forum on the internet, so I just thought of a hot place and Florida was what came to mind. Every time I’ve ever been there, it’s been flat, hot and dry, and even if they ever do get snow, I’m sure it’s nothing like the freaking blizzard that buried my car last month.
lol i know what you meant. i had to laugh at capsfan’s response tho.
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
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Why, they were completely different plays involving different rules in different contexts? I don’t see how the Cooke non-suspension was relevant to either Downie’s or Ovechkin’s penalties.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that if they would have suspended Downie the league every other fan base would be up in arms because 1. since it happened to Crosby and 2. it was in favor of the Pens.
It was a dirty hit by a guy with a long rap sheet. I think far more people are upset now that there was no suspension than their would be if he had been suspended.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 16, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We are lucky it was not longer. There should be no carping from Caps.
Now, the NHL MUST suspend Downie as well though.
Very true. Two games is pretty light, considering we play the Penguins in four.
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They will NOT suspend Downie, and in fact are not sure of a fine. Plenty of carping is fully justified for anyone with any objectivity about the situation (certainly not the idiots in Toronto who made this decision). It would be one thing if they were consistent. They are not.
Whether Ovie meant to board Campbell or not, he DID. He also BROKE HIS CLAVICLE.
Accidents happen, Ovie has to deal with the punishment of making a decision to push someone that close to the boards.
He is not a dirty player, i dont think most of his hits are to hurt people, but he needs to learn that making an overly aggresive hit like that puts him and his target in a very bad situation, that can sometimes just end as a bruise, but can also end a career.
Lets take off the tinfoil hats
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by kingzman264 on Mar 15, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel as well. I don’t really mind the suspension all that much by itself. It’s just the seemingly arbitrary way in which the league hands them out that bothers me.
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Oh for sure, Campbell had a golden opportunity to make a statement by giving Downie a heavy suspension. Although i think cooke should be banned from the NHL, i can see his dilusional train of though with the “he didnt break a rule”.
Downie DID break a rule, he slewfoot’d him. He has a history, and he essentially didnt do anything to curb vigilante retribution
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Again, injuries are not [supposed to be] suspendible unless they’re deemed intentional. 2 games does not say to me “intentional.”
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t mean to convey that he should be suspended purely for the injury. I meant to insult and reem those who say he didnt do anything wrong. Cause he did, whether by NHL rules or not, he broke Campbell’s claviccal with an irresponsible hit.
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he broke Campbell’s claviccal
whether by NHL rules or not
That’s a very odd context in which to consider an NHL ruling.
To paraphrase the Cooke decision, there is no rule against breaking someone’s clavicle.
He boarded him. It happens often enough that there’s a rule about it: 2 minutes; 5 if you really went to town. (You’ve seen Ovechkin give an opponent the bidniz: would you say he was showing Campbell the whole house?)
Campbell’s desk is supposed to handle fouls so flagrant the ‘normal’ rules don’t apply. Instead, it’s a fertilizer processing plant.
Ovechkin’s serving two games for “next tape to land in CC’s office after NHL’s invertebrate mewling re: Cooke”.
by redlineblue on Mar 15, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
By, whether by NHL rules or not, I meant as a person or hockey player.
Hitting someone in that dangerzone near the boards, is wrong. I don’t need a rule to tell me that an irresponsible hit that can end up really hurting a guy, is a bad play.
I mean everybody agrees that Colin Campbell blows at his job, and sould be fired.
I am almost positive, that aggressive boarding can ellicit suspension. Even if Campbell wasn’t hurt, THAT was an irresonsible hit, no one should be making those, the potential for injury is just increased beyond a reasonable point
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I would have done:
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The injury should have no bearing on the penalty, it was a fluke
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by Doncosmic on Mar 15, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree; however, if players learn that they shouldn’t be making dangerous hits that have a very distinct chance to seriously injure, the league will be a better place
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What a BS. This league is a complete joke.
by fnralch on Mar 15, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Downie tries to break Crosby’s leg and doesn’t even get a hearing? They must spin a wheel at NHL HQ to decide suspensions.
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Leg, hell. He could have broken Crosby’s back with that play.
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if Crosby was as unlucky as Campbell was, that slewfoot could have ended his career
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
thats the problem. Even though the intent was there, and it was as dangerous if not more dangerous than Ovi’s play, there wasn’t a significant injury so there can’t be anything wrong right?
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
Downie got lucky
A. Campbell’s terrible
B. Unfortunately outcome plays some part in justice everywhere in the world.
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I’m honestly much less pissed about Ovie’s suspension than I am the non-suspensions to Downie and Cooke. Both are guys with a past, Cooke caused a season ending injury to a playoff bound team, Downie could have killed the league’s baby. It just makes no sense.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
by Sct112 on Mar 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I agree. If those guys were suspended (or Gonchar) I’d be fine. But after all the shit they let slide, this is the one they are going to suspend?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
pretty much, in a nutshell
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If you think we’re unhappy, you shopuld hear the howling up in Boston. Tempers had calmed down a bit, but now they’re out for blood again on Thursday.
You gotta think Cooke’s gonna have something coming to him.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Question is, does he take his medicine?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh. We’ll see. One thing for sure – I’m so watching that game.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely agreed.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone find out why they didn’t go after him IN the game where Savard was hurt? I’m not a big proponent of “eye for an eye” but seriously, if you’re going to do it, do it within the same game if you can. Cooke wasn’t tossed – anyone could have challenged him to a fight.
I hate this crap of waiting until the next game to exact revenge – it’s got such an air of mob mentality, and it’s hyped up by the media and the fans and whipped up into a frenzy to the point where it rarely is satisfactory. And if it DOES live up to the hype it’s reached dangerous levels of revenge-seeking.
Hm you know I never thought about it. Could it be they weren’t sure about it? I mean maybe they thought it would be “enough” if he was going to suspended multiple games…
I feel like I read some crap about it still being an important game w/ two points, playoffs on the line, blah blah blah…the two points tomorrow will be just as important., though, they’re going to be fighting for the playoffs the rest of the way.
I guess I just don’t buy it. They’ve got guys who can fight – why didn’t they?
All fairness to Boston, that happened pretty late in the game. It didn’t leave much time to exact a proper revenge. Waiting for it, savoring it, that’s old school. Get him when he isn’t expecting it.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I also don’t think Cooke deserves a straight fight. A nightful of Bashing is more like it—a DrumBeat, a 60 minute bonding ritual.
Lord knows the league is calling for players to devise a new code.
Probably more Lucic-Komisarek
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I vote Chara-McCabe.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I vote for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9TemTZlweo
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Agreed. I can’t answer any of that though. It’s the same thing FLA did. Maybe they were shocked and then subsequently felt embarrassed?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I could buy shock, perhaps. And did Florida not play Philly again until Booth was back? No, right?
(On that note, I was very proud of Booth for fighting Richards. Horrible fight but that was the way to handle it – if there has to be fighting in the game, that’s a good use for it. Aggression out, case closed, move on.)
FLA and PHI played once before Booth returned. McCabe challenged Richards and Richards accepted. Then Richards took the Booth fight as well. Good on him. I can only hope Cooke takes it like a man as well. I’m skeptical.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Richards took a lot of heat for that hit and I’m proud of him for stepping up when called.
Its not like he can suspend himself so I guess he took his punishment in the face.
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Agreed. I don’t like the hit at all but he’s not a Matt Cooke type thug and he didn’t try to shy away. He gave FLA two chances to get payback, which is more than he owed.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually a very sound reason this bullcrap inconsistency from Campbell has to go. I wouldn’t be surprised if the cry for blood during the game wasn’t as fierce as it is now because there was the assumption Cooke would get penalized by the league. Suspending dangerous/dirty plays like his not only sends a message that crap won’t be tolerated, but it quells some, if not all of the blood lust.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a really good point. When you’ve got guys like Recchi practically spitting with anger in interviews well after the fact…let’s just say I’m not expecting much tomorrow, but if something does happen I’m concerned it’ll be from someone not accustomed to fighting. And it’ll be bad.
Thank god we have an Ovie-less game to watch instead :)
What I’m really hoping for is that this will inject the urgency that has been missing since the Olympics. The whole “us against the world” thing might be just what the doctor ordered for the final 13 games. While it’s a lot to ask, wouldn’t it be sweet to see the Caps get pissed and run the table?
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Yeah, I’d be pissed if I were them too. They got the worst of both worlds. Their star is gone and the offender got off free. At least CHI gets the mild satisfaction of knowing AO got punished.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i kinda wonder what would have happened if crosby had gotten hurt there.
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. so no suspension because he didnt get hurt? gleason wasn’t hurt after ovie intentionally knee’d him, but ovie got suspended.
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Quite right.
And I think I was saying that same thing about Mike Green’s suspension, particularly because he’d been the recipient of hits that hadn’t merited supplemental discipline.
It’s just like Milbury said. (It hurts to type that.)
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Mar 15, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Those two calls are absolute horseshit.
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Not happy, but it won’t hurt this team too much.
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that doesn't matter
If I were more of a Caps fan, I’d be just livid right now. This is just complete assholery.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting pissed won’t change it. I hope they appeal.
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I’m not sure if there is a mechanism for the player to appeal in the NHL. If there is I’ve never seen it.
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If they already tried to appeal the game misconduct, which failed, you gotta wonder if they bother appealing this.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were a new fan, this sort of mickey-mouse shit would drive me away from the sport. I can’t get in to a sport if I can’t figure out what the fuck the rules are going to be.
Fortunately for the NHL, and perhaps me, I’ve been a Caps fan since I was able to comprehend TV, but this inconsistency can’t be good for the league.
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by renstar on Mar 15, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Couldn’t have said it better. Fuck the NHL.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so true…if I didn’t love the Caps in an almost inappropriate way, I’d seriously consider boycotting right now
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I am way more surprised at the Cooke non-suspension than this 2 gamer.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
The NHL really shows that it is 2nd rate league with decisions like this, cookes, and downies… it almost shows the complete bias they have towards Ovechkin…
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Disagree. The league’s had plenty of chances to ding Ovechkin, had they wanted to, and it only hurt them to have him out. I just don’t see it.
by David M. Getz on Mar 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s what I see: I see nothing for the Briere hit from behind. Or the Brown hit. Or the Peverley slewfoot. Or the Kaleta hit. Or the Heward hit. Or the Gonchar hit. If the league were out to get Ovie, they’d have gotten him one of those times.
I see a league that benefits from having Ovechkin playing in games, and an incredibly inept disciplinary system. The evidence strongly favors incompetency, not bias.
by David M. Getz on Mar 15, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
YES. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Unfortunately, this time OV was the nut.
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by Addison H. on Mar 15, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The league also benefits from all the press it receives from one of its few well known players being suspended. It’s crossover news that will cause mainstream sports outlets that don’t normally talk hockey to talk about the NHL
The league also benefits from all the press it receives from one of its few well known players being suspended.
Only if you subscribe the “any publicity is good publicity” school of thought.
by David M. Getz on Mar 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, that may get Melrose and Barnaby on Sportscenter more than discussion of Caps-Hawks and twice Caps-Florida team
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they do benefit in that if they didn’t suspend him, there’d be an outcry of “star treatment” and whatnot. Being willing to suspend a star player is a feather in the cap of legitimacy (and they can use all the feathers they can get).
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THIS!
A MILLION TIMES, THIS!
Sorry about the capital letters. I’m in favour of the Ovechkin suspension. I’d be in favour of suspensions for all of Richards, Cooke, and Downie, too. Especially Downie… I still don’t forgive him for the McAmmond incident.
by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 15, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, if you’re going to be that classless to one of the main contributors, get off the blog.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
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give me a break, we’re calling each other names for agreeing or disagreeing politely? go away.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He’s been warned for it.
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by J.P. on Mar 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If they had a real beef they could have suspended Ovechkin last year, longer for Gleason, at least a game for the Briere hit, and more for this one.
Don’t do the conspiracy thing. If it’s a bad decision it’s because the NHL is stupid. They aren’t smart enough to organise a bake sale let alone a conspiracy
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by PPP on Mar 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 18 recs
They aren’t smart enough to organise a bake sale let alone a conspiracy
I cannot agree with this enough.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
i might’ve spelled organize a bit differently, though.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Depends on if you’re used to the British spelling or the American one.
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Haha, well said.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
same people who put hockey in Texas or Florida?
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by RedskinFan4Life on Mar 15, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Or left it in a football town where basketball is second and attendance was horrible ;)
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I rec’d this because I saw bake sale
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for some perspective. Gonna keep being super angry though, but at least not also crazy.
Sometimes, you really just want to hit a b**ch.
Definitely be pissed
It’s a shitty situation. The one time lately they get it almost right and it’s YOUR guy!
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It’s honestly taking quite a few fibers of my being (not every last one, but many) to keep myself from saying “alright NHL, I’m done”. This is something I’ve never felt before. The only thing keeping me from taking my $$$ and going home is that I want to see the Caps win the Cup as the ultimate FUCK YOU to the league.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the NHL thinks that they are doing themselves a favor by having a disciplinary process which is as clear as mud shrouded in fog and mystery, they’re staffed by morons.
by HeartbreakRidge on Mar 15, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions
I will kill someone if he does. And this is going to kill his chances of beating Crosby for the Rocket, and prolly the Hart.
Naah, Ovi’ll come back. Crosby is only up by one goal… and Ovi’s up by three in the Hart race.
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Maybe not.
Pittsburgh plays NJ on Wednesday, and Boston on Thursday. They don’t play tonight or tomorrow.
You think Sid will pull off THAT many goals in two games against those two teams?
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And missing two more games. Look, I care about the cup more than the individual awards too, but I care about fairness, and this is just nuts.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Exactly, I care about the cup more. But he deserves these trophies and they are part of his legacy in the NHL. They are part of the “is he as good as blah blah” arguments. And I’ll be damned if this takes away from that. If he still wins them all, with 11 fewer games, then SCREW the NHL.
This shouldn’t hurt him for the Hart. He should still be able to edge out Sedin for the Ross. He’s got to be the odds on favorite for the Rocket as well given the Pens offensive woes lately, assuming he comes back all fired up and ready to score. If he doesn’t get the Rocket, blame it more on his post-Olympic goal scoring slump than a 2-game suspension.
Just my opinion. Great players can overcome.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Can he? Sure. Will he? Maybe. It will be tough to do. He’s already missed a handful of games.
I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!
I can sympathize. Mario didn’t play a full season his entire career.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s exactly who I was thinking of when I typed my response. Lets hope Ovie is more reliable than Mario though, not really a high bar haha.
I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!
I think ya got the wrong trophy there…
Art Ross, I believe, is the one meant.
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If Ovie wins the Stanley Cup, I will be seriously happy.
I’m willing to bet he’d trade all the Hart Trophies he wins/won for a Stanley Cup.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
too bad they’re completely independent from one another.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. It’s like getting a hot wife and millions of dollars. I plan on having both.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
at which point you’ll be inviting cluster and me to hang out with you in your luxury box, right?
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Cluster for sure. We’ll see if you get that spilling under control.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If I buy all the drinks, can I sit in your box?
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as you know how to keep your drink in the cup until it reaches your mouth.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy. Although it sounds like the quantity y’all consume drinks in could break me. Oh well.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta take a chance some day if you wanna play with the big boys.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Money only goes so far :P
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Natty needs a sippy cup.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Hell yeah. Decorated with a Japers’ Rink motif.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, I’d totally buy one of those.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Let’s make them! It’s still not too late for me to not be a lawyer!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and i’d bring it to games and carry it around with me everywhere. like horn guy and sombrero guy, i’d be sippy cup guy. that would be sweet.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But would you drink beer out of it? Thats the crux of the matter.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
magical elixirs of all kinds. if it’s jaeger, maybe i could convince the poor grandmother in front of us that i was drinking cough syrup.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The poor grandmooooooooooother!!!! Watch your language Natty.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Make jersey out of it
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Downie, Golden Boy?
Lemme get this right: S. Downie slew foots Crosby, no suspension. Ovechkin pushes Campbell, gets 2 games. And here I thought Crosby was The Annointed One in Canada. Maybe this is to keep Ovie from overtaking Cindy in the goal/point chase.
Regardless, this is a very poor, highly inconsistent decision by the NHL, which gets it wrong once again. Suspensions should NEVER be based on injury. And this one wasn’t even to the head. Campbell and the NHL (No Hit League) get it wrong once again. FAIL.
Right
If this was based on injury Ovechkin would have gotten a lot more for possibly ending Campbell’s season.
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I think his suspension and 3 game misconducts already this year meant he had to get suspended. He’d already received one game so he got one more tacked on.
If the injury was the biggest issue I think he’d have received more.
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No automatic one, it had been half a season.
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This is to all of the people that replied
He was suspended for the Gleason hit and I know the past Game Misconducts don’t require an automatic suspension but taken together they paint the picture of a guy that needs another reminder of where the line stands.
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You telling me that AO’s hit is any worse than that? And if Campbell gets back up like AO we would see the same thing? Absolutely not.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
I am saying it’s the same as Lapierre’s.
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And I disagree completely.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That Adams hit is basically the same as well. But no injury = no suspension.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And if I shoot you and you live I don’t get life in jail. That’s justice.
I think that the past suspension/incidents/GMs had more to do than the injury though (it played a part but that’s a lot to ignore)
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Look, in a vaccuum, I can agree with a lot of this. But when Don Cherry can play a 5 minute highlight reel of dirty hits and the guy gets off without any penalty at all, I’m just not buying it. Yeah, I know, they fucked up the Cooke decision. But that was 5 fucking days ago (or 3… or whatever). Campbell can’t possibly have forgotten. Any possible criteria you have for suspending AO goes just as strongly for Cooke. So yeah, two wrongs don’t make a right yadda yadda, but this is fucking bullshit.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The craziest part about all of these decisions is that they are all related, but only in ways that CC wants them to be.
So while CC connected the Cooke and Richards hits together because they were similar, he’s not going to use it as a reason to let Ovie off the hook, because there’s too much different about the incidents for him to be able to use it as precedent.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no line -- there is a massive grey area. That's the problem.
by Bucknelldad on Mar 15, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good point
The general vicinity of the line is a better way of phrasing how it currently stands.
And oh joy, the head shot rule makes it greyer.
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why dude? Cooke doesn’t? Downey doesn’t??? Why the F are they picking on OV, Sure the hit results were bad but come onnnnnnnn it was a push, a nudge, the guy lost his balance and slide akwardly into to the boards! NOOOO Intent to injure, just bad luck!
Look, they aren’t ‘picking’ on Ovechkin. They are screwing up the other calls.
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by PPP on Mar 15, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but thats the problem!!!! there is no fing consistencey to this BS. As of right now all i see is OV being suspended because he plays and 110%.
I agree with you
But if someone gets away with murder do you freak out when the next murderer goes to jail?
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Well, they screwed this one up too. Downie and Cooke should have been suspended, Ovechkin should not have. That play was barely even a major until Campbell stayed down. I’m good with the major, but the ejection was pure horseshit. This is icing on the cake. Ovechkin basically got a 3 game suspension for a hit shove that has happened many times in the past few years with no supplementary discipline.
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by renstar on Mar 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
When there are 3 or 4 possible examples in the course of a week and you screw up all but one, its not unreasonable to count the single suspension doled out as “picking on”. Regardless of the reasons (incompetence, conspiracy, the phases of the moon, hiring the playoff predicting monkey to decide suspensions, etc.)
No.
One game misconduct was over 41 games ago and was removed from the equation, and the other was in a different category.
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But since he missed two games from suspension, he only played 39 games, and I believe the cutoff is 41 games played, not 41 team games.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone is reporting there was no automatic. Everyone.
It was 42 games.
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I’ve seen Puck Daddy report this and I’ve seen Tarik report the same linking Puck Daddy. Have there been other more official reports.
From the NHL rulebook link in Puck Daddy’s article:
When a player or goalkeeper has played in 41 consecutive regular League games without being assessed a stick-related major and a game misconduct penalty
(emphasis mine)
So by the NHL rulebook he is not past the point of automatic suspension. Of course, this wouldn’t be the first time the NHL didn’t enforce their rulebook. But this rule gives Campbell an easy out to justify the suspension it looks like.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The suspension for the knee, thus doesn’t factor in. I think it was being counted from the previous boarding major (Nov. 25).
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Right, but the suspension from the knee means he missed 2 games in between his two boarding penalties. Again though, I’m not sure if it is based on games played or team games played, and frankly it doesn’t matter.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And if Campbell had gotten up he would have gotten 2 minutes and not even a review. There’s not really any legitimate way to say the injury didn’t play a role. Especially given the Downie bullshit.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and if it was a shoulder, campbell could have gotten up right away and gotten off the ice. Crosby had his leg rolled and was up faster. He milked it, plain and simple.
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You can still get up with a broken clavicle. He was laying there out of his mind because he had a pretty bad concussion.
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by M-M-M-My Chimera on Mar 15, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He also broke a rib, you could watch him struggling to breath while lying there on the ice. Hate on the BS suspension all you want, but do not hate on a dude with broken bones and a concussion.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Published reports list his injuries as a broken collarbone and broken ribs.
NHL.com doesn’t say anything about a concussion… ribs would be a problem, though, and would contribute to slow getting up.
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concussion was in the rumor mill…very possibly not true
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take what I hear from NHL.com before the rumor mill. :-) Pretty sure if he was concussed, it’d be all over the place, but the report has not changed from last night. They would have put that up.
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yea I’ve been writing a paper all day, haven’t had time to investigate the truthiness of it all
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck no. you dont stay down that long unless your knee is blown out. Ive seen hockey players get up and skate with blood pouring out of their necks. You can be hurt and get moving. That was milking it
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How do you milk one and maybe two broken bones?
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t use your neck to skate.
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by PPP on Mar 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess agree to disagree here
But your comments are in very poor taste.
by alpo on Mar 15, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The difference is that when Zednik was skating with blood coming out of his neck it was a life of death situation. With Campbell it wasn’t – it was a very painful one. Plus the play was over.
by David M. Getz on Mar 15, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact of the matter is that whenever a player is injured going into the boards like that, the trainer that comes out to immediately tend to the player’s injures most likely will instruct the player to remain on his back on the ice until they can reasonably determine whether or not the player has suffered any head or neck injures that would only be exacerbated if the player attempted to leave the ice on anything other than a stretcher.
To insinuate that Brian Campbell was somehow ‘milking it’ because he didn’t immediately get up and skate off the ice with what turned out to be a broken clavicle and a fractured rib, not to mention probably having had the wind knocked out of him and being temporarily stunned by the force of impact when he collided with the boards, is, quite frankly, ridiculous and, as someone else mentioned, in extremely poor taste.
If Ovechkin was pushed from behind into the boards and had similar injuries, I doubt you would want him to jump up immediately afterward and skate off the ice without first being checked by a trainer for serious head or neck injuries.
Yeah I agree. I don’t think he milked it. It was unfortunate that it played out like that, and if Campbell gets up it’s a whole other story. But the dude got smoked and got injured. He wasn’t playing to the refs.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If there’s one thing that I learned from the olympics, it’s that slew-footing someone away from the puck shows that you have an edge to you and is a good hockey play.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No suspension and no penalty on the ice.
And on top of that?
The penalty on the ice for Ovechkin was NOT called by the book.
Where’s the discipline for the officials?
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How wasn’t it called by the book?
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The injury was not to the head. Therefore, the game misconduct was out of line.
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Really?
Stupid distinction.
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Yet they defend the Richards non-suspension by saying there’s no rule on the book for it. Fucking call it by the book every time, or just throw it out.
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Exactly. Not really a stupid distinction at all.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The rulebook says it’s an automatic misconduct for an injury to the head, not that you can only give a misconduct if the injury is to the head. The refs have the discretion to give a misconduct even if there is no injury.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Where does it say THAT in the rule book?
Rule 42 – Boarding
42.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.
There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player (or goalkeeper) applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule.
Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player being knocked into the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as "charging."
42.2 Minor Penalty – The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a minor penalty, based on the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, to a player or goalkeeper guilty of boarding an opponent.
42.3 Major Penalty – The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, to a player or goalkeeper guilty of boarding an opponent (see 42.5).
42.4 Match Penalty – The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player or goalkeeper attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by boarding.
42.5 Game Misconduct Penalty – When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
42.6 Fines and Suspensions – Any player or goalkeeper who incurs a total of two (2) game misconducts under Rule 42 and/or Rule 44, in either Regular season or Play-offs, shall be suspended automatically for the next game of his team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game.
When a major penalty is imposed under this rule, an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100) shall be imposed.
If deemed appropriate, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule 29).
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I don’t buy it. If this is a general statement, then there is no need to specifically mention face or head. I think 42.5 is simple: boarding major + face/head injured = game misconduct. KC’s comment says that game misconduct can be imposed for other cases but then 42.5 is irrelevant.
No, 42.5 is just one situation that removes discretion from the ref.
The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.
There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player (or goalkeeper) applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact.
So 42.5 just limits the judgment in the case of a head injury, but does not limit the major to head injuries only.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
still at school?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got home. Waiting on dinner.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It says “When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.”, not “only When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.”
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That is true, BUT
If a game misconduct may be imposed (at the referee’s discretion), it says so throughout the rule book.
In this case, it does not, and they use the phrase “at his discretion” multiple times in this rule.
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Right. When discretion is the norm, the league needs to explicitly state that there is no discretion when a head injury is involved.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we’re saying sortof the same thing, except that every other time in the rulebook that a game misconduct “may” be imposed, that is stated. In this case, there is no statement that says “you can impose a game misconduct if it looks bad enough to you” – only the one that says you MUST if there is a head injury involved.
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Having said all this, the Caps did really well without Ovie on his last unjustified suspension. Looking forward to extension of their new winning streak.
But can you imagine how pissed the owners of the Panthers, Lightening are? One of the biggest draws to any NHL game is now a no-show in their otherwise empty arena? Bettman/Campbell haven’t just pissed off one owner, they’ve pissed off three.
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I am going down for the Tampa game so am pretty happy it was 2 and not 3…>Still BS though, this league is RIDICULOUS with handing out suspensions
by C-A-P-S Caps Caps Caps on Mar 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is not news sadly.
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SO EFFING PISSED OFF! I swear to hell that if Crosby wins the Rocket and Hart trophies because of this I’ve lost a lot of respect for hockey.
Im furious but could care less about that…Gimme the Cup and keep the other hardware
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No way man! The hardware is crucial and Ovie deserves it. Even missing 9 games this season, hes on pace for a season high in points. Its AMAZING! He deserves the awards to go with it and I won’t be happy unless he has them.
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you cant be serious…35 years never a Cup…isnt that what they play for…Im sure Ovi feels the same way…Absolutley positive Ovi would rather spend a day driving recklessly thru Russia with Lord Stanleys Cup riding shotgun then finding a spot on his mantle to put another Hart.
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I’m not saying the Cup is not more important, but as I said in a comment above, this is also about his legacy. Hes having the most productive season of his career and he deserves the trophies to go with them. Someday people will start making the comparisons to lemieux and gretsky, and he deserves the individual achievements to adorn his Stanley Cup wins.
What a sweet image
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Campbell is a joke.
Guy just doesn’t get it. End of story.
Things to note:
Out vs. the panthers tomorrow – convenient no?
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Downie doesn’t even get a hearing on an intent to injure play
Awful.
I hope we embarrass the Panthers tomorrow – like 8-1 or something.
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Let’s put Brash in and turn him loose.
Oh wait.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate to see him gone, but hopefully the rest will do him well. I can’t really find fault with this decision. I thought the hit was far worse than his Kuleta and Gleason ones.
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by Bucky Katt-Luvs Caps on Mar 15, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
basically, what I expected. If Soup comes back in a game or so, it’d have been 1 game. If he came back that game, maybe he gets off with no suspension.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
So wait, TWO games for a weak shove? Last time a weak shove happened, a guy got three games, and noone was injured
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Mar 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
And when Ovi was shoved into the boards a few games ago, no suspension, no boarding call, nothing.
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Absolute joke. Here’s a link to something that doesn’t deserve a hearing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHeh3tyUL10
I consulted the DGB flowchart: Unless this consists of “DAMNIT, PRONGER”, then there should have been no suspension
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Mar 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The DGB flowchart is out of date.
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Yes, there should be steps to determine the teams involved in the infraction. Pens and Flyers don’t get suspended. Other people do.
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Wait, Carcillo WASN’T suspended?
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Cooke was suspended in November, 2009.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
NHL discipline is a joke. It makes it impossible (as much as Campbell says he tries to use precedent) to use precedent. Cooke and Downie getting off is ridiculous.
However, Ovechkin’s hit was dirty and he may have ended Campbell’s season. He’s had quite a few borderline plays and basically been given the benefit of the doubt.
Hopefully this makes him think a bit more in the playoffs when a suspension will hurt miles more.
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It was a clean hit. Reckless and unnecessary given the situation? Sure, which is why the penalty was called. Suspending Ovechkin because the quality of the ice wasn’t up to snuff?
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Clean hit?
Come on.
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I don’t think it was clean at all; my thing was this was no way a two-gamer.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If Campbell didn’t go down, all Ovi would have gotten for that hit was two minutes for interference – IF the refs decided to call it.
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Too bad that’s not what happened.
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too bad
your team is 29/30, and ours is #1..
But I agree, it wasn’t a hit
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What the hell does that have to do with anything?
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
by Sct112 on Mar 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely nothing
just a little fun, sorry for a troll comment. atleast i agreed with him =\
Come on. Stay relevant. Who cares how good his team is? That’s a weak argument and makes us all look bad. PPP is a good egg and he just disagrees with us here. He’s already hurting enough being a TOR fan, no need to pile on.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Really stupid comment.
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by J.P. on Mar 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LAFF
HARF HARF HARF
I have been reading the standings upside down all year.
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No doubt. I wouldn’t call the hit dirty (yeah, I’m biased) but definitely, I thought Ovie could have used better judgement. No matter how many times they suspend him, I doubt he’ll change the way he plays, but sometimes, the guy’s gotta make better decisions.
Silver lining? We can show the league even more that we can PLAY without him.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
For everyone who wanted Downie suspended: Sid wasn’t remotely injured. Wasn’t even kind of hurt. He’s just a pussy who goes down motionless every time he gets touched.
I’d like to think that if Downie intended to injure Sid, he’d have done a better job of it. Just a weird tangle-up, IMO.
You had me at no problem.
He slew footed him. It’s like clipping someone. You don’t try either unless you’re trying to injure someone.
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Watch the clip again.
Crosby is bowed over backwards over Downie’s legs.
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The leg portion of a slew-foot is there, but not the part where the offender shoves the victim backwards.
You had me at no problem.
The offender does not have to shove the victim backwards.
The rule is poorly worded, but I asked the NHLOA about it. It is:
52.1 Slew-footing – Slew-footing is the act of a player using his leg or foot to knock or kick an opponent’s feet from under him, or pushes an opponent’s upper body backward with an arm or elbow, and at the same time with a forward motion of his leg, knocks or kicks the opponent’s feet from under him, causing him to fall violently to the ice.
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The violent fall to the ice is the reason slew-footing is illegal. Guys can hit the back of the head on the ice. That’s not what happened here. Not saying it wasn’t dangerous(though not sure it was intentional). Just wasn’t a slew-foot.
You had me at no problem.
For everyone who wanted Downie suspended: Sid wasn’t remotely injured. Wasn’t even kind of hurt. He’s just a pussy who goes down motionless every time he gets touched.
You’re a moron.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
oh please
Give it a rest; Crosby as much as you may hate him isn’t exactly a “pussy”.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, ok… I just hate the way he goes down like a sack of potatoes once a week.
You had me at no problem.
Sorry for the name calling, Ninjak, but it seems obvious from your comments that you did not actually see the Downie-Crosby play.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, Crosby’s not my favorite human being in the world, but plays like that do NOT belong in the game, regardless of who’s on the receiving end. To see Downie do something like that and get away with it just reminds me of how the NHL has their heads up their asses as usual, and that inconsistency in this league is seemingly impossible to remedy.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. OV made a hit, push, whatever, on a guy who just had the puck. Sid got rid of the puck and Downie followed him halfway up the ice before rolling up on the back of his leg. No similarity between the two plays. One was a total intent to injure, the other just an unfortunate result of a borderline play.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
the lateness of the downie play was equally as shocking to me as the figure-four leglock. it was absurd how late that came.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are we 100% sure there was intent to injure? Let’s say anyone other than Downie had made that play. It was dirty but it kind of all happened in an instant and I’m not sure he was deliberately trying to injure the guy. Without knowing what was going on in Downie’s head, it’s tough to suspend him for that.
No way that’s clean. Away from the play, retaliatory, to the back of the legs? Not a single legitimate hockey action in there.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I read “intent to injure” as “clean.” So yeah, I am positive it was intent to injure.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree as far as the suspension is concerned. Without a Crosby injury, I never thought there was any chance a suspension would even be considered.
For your other comments, I’d say there aren’t many guys other than Downie that would have made that play. Maybe Cooke, but he’s on Sid’s side and not on his line, so chances are they wouldn’t be on the ice together.
If you watch the way Downie tracked Sid down long after the puck was gone, then the way he positioned the leg, I just don’t see any way he wasn’t trying to hurt him.
My immediate thought was that Downie thought perhaps, in light of the Cooke incident, he might be hailed as a hero by the rest of the league for taking Crosby out as a way of retaliating against Cooke. Maybe he was hoping to get picked up by Boston next year and be the toast of Beantown.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t know that we can make the leap in logic that Downie was intentionally trying to blow out Crosby’s ACL. I know we’re all angry today but that play happened awfully fast and it seemed like Downie was trying to get chippy, but not thinking “hey, if I take him down now then his knee will pop! Awesome!”
Fair enough. I guess it comes down to perspective. To me, the play seems to unfold in slow motion.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not as specifically as thinking an ACL injury, or a season ending injury. But there is no way you do that without trying to hurt a guy. It’s the same as Boyle on Semin. Maybe Boyle didn’t want to end Semin’s season, but it was gutless, dirty, and an attempt to injure. Downie is the last guy that gets a benefit of the doubt.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s no “leap” to make. Watch that clip and you can see Downie lift his leg and put it in the back of SC’s knee as a precursor to rolling on him. And, as many have mentioned, long after the puck’s gone. A full-on cross-check would’ve been more tolerable and something that might’ve been thought of as a just a borderline kinda thing that superstars are supposed to put up with.
Even if Downie had tried to get off him quick-like, more forgivable…as it is, suspension material fo’ shol.
Downie should have been suspended. The results of the 2 plays and which guy actually ended up hurt have nothing to do with intent…and Downie’s seemed clearly more malicious.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, whether he tried to do it or not, my point was to say that the reason there was no suspension was that Crosby was 100% fine. He came back to get the primary assist on the GWG. Whether it’s mind-blowingly stupid or not, the NHL considers severity of injury as the #1 factor, while intent to injure is rarely a factor at all.
Should Downie have been suspended? Probably. But with all the Ovechkin-hate I see in the comments of every article I read, I find myself hating Crosby back even more. So I don’t particularly care about Downie’s non-suspension.
Does that make me an asshole around here? Maybe. But I don’t care. I’m a Caps fan, and I hate Crosby. I respect him as an amazing hockey player, but I still hope that he sits on his nuts every time he heads for the bench after a shift.
You had me at no problem.
I’m a Caps fan, and I hate Crosby. I respect him as an amazing hockey player, but I still hope that he sits on his nuts every time he heads for the bench after a shift.
Ok, that made me laugh. I’d give you a rec if I didn’t disagree with almost everything that preceded it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that last line was pretty funny. All I’m saying is get one of your buddies to jump on your leg, crushing your ankle to the ground and bending your knee outward at a sickening angle, and whether or not you are just fine a few minutes later, I’m guessing it will hurt just a teency bit and you would probably cry a little bit and might even piss yourself.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Dad?
You’re embarrassing me!
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by PPP on Mar 15, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, usernames travel across sites but he posts on Pensburgh.
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Good call
Just going to escalate. Now he gets a merit badge from his internet friends.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even remember.
I did get banned from blueshirt banter for pointing out a rule, I was nasty about it though and have since apologized.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t take much to get banned from Pensblog. Although a few of those degenerates can actually talk hockey, most of them only know how to make crude photoshops.
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by snakegriffin on Mar 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Crude
And kind of funny
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I will be the first to admit, some of them are pretty good, but it seems like they spend more time on photochops than they do actually observing or playing the game.
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by snakegriffin on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a hard time seeing Hooks Orpik giving him props for getting banned here.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
no kidding
Reason number 154353 I love SBN— people aren’t like that here. This ain’t HF Boards or something.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people aren’t like that. Hooks and Frank run a good ship.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No
But others elsewhere will
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That’s fine with me. I’m obviously biased, but I tend to think that if you get banned from here, it’s because you are the asshole. Anyone that comes here knows we’ll accept outsiders, dissenting opinion, and all manner of hockey talk. If you’ve crossed J.P.’s line then you are just a douche.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a decent chance that you’re a douche even if you haven’t crossed my line. Today, at least…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I go away for a couple of hours and the Crips and the Bloods breaks out. It’s only two games and in the long run it may the very best thing that could have ever happened to the Caps. Nothing motivates a team more than feeling its them against the world and right now it is. If I’m Florida, I’d be afraid. I’d be very afraid.
Florida is so screwed.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? Do you support unreasonable vigilante retribution?
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I think its going to be like 12-0.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I strongly disagreed with what your guy said, and rather than respond reasonably, I called him a name that I felt relayed my displeasure with his comments. It was wrong, and I’ll try to play better in the future.
by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 15, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, we’re all for exchanging pleasantries. Make up and move on. ’Tis the beauty of teh blogosphere.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. It’s not a one strike zone over here. It takes time to learn the rules.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
For someone who’s banned, we’re hearing an awful lot from you. Consider yourself unbanned.
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Well the reasonable ones always get their act together eventually. Acting like an adult on the internet takes some getting used to.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t realize PB added staff.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. The only reason he didn’t fall violently to the ice is that Downie took HIMSELF out with Crosby, and took the brunt of Crosby’s fall.
Crosby was going over backwards, hard. He just missed the ice because he landed on Downie instead.
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Leave the personal stuff out of it, doesn’t help anything.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 15, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
But he is right. . .Downie was lookin to injure him
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He could write the grand unified theory and it still wouldn’t be okay to preface it with a personal insult.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 15, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Downie’s actions constituted a slew foot, just because crosby didn’t know enough to fall over in a way to justify in your mind that it was a slew foot doesn’t negate the fact that it was a slew foot. It was an incredibly dangerous, intentional move on two sensitive joints that, if damaged could end a career.
It’s easier to count the parts of his body that weren’t put at risk.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And for the record, although I’ve said it elsewhere, Cooke damn well should have been suspended for the Savard hit. Overall, I’m in favor of being more strict, not less, with punishment in general, although i’m still confused by the gamer that Adams picked up for the hit on Skoula against NJD. Could it even remotely have been a makeup for the shove on Ovie last month?
I doubt it but who knows. They may have told the refs to watch Adams after that hit, and then it’s just a matter of time.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
While I’m at it, I think the Pens are a better team when Adams isn’t on it. Almost any random AHL callup could do what he does, and do it at the NHL minimum. So, I was confused by the gamer, but not dismayed aside from the power play it provided the Devils.
I haven’t even seen the hit.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously. Bettman would never let video of a Penguin committing a dirty hit get out.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well now I’m curious.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re looking to him for help you’re in deeper than I thought.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
For everyone who wanted Downie suspended: Sid wasn’t remotely injured. Wasn’t even kind of hurt.
That really doesn’t matter. You try to hurt someone, you deserve to be disciplined.
by David M. Getz on Mar 15, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The result of the play should matter less than the intent. I appreciate the comments from most analysts today pointing out the Ovie shove is NOT the same as the Lappy hit that he got 4 games for. Downie is just a scumbag and clearly had bad thoughts on the mind yesterday. That was just horrible to watch.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 15, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow this is complete horse shit
i think campbell is confusing games with minutes…what a joke.
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by Area 51 Forever on Mar 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
That's all kinds of awesome!
Now I won’t miss the Caps when they’re on Versus and I can see Ovie beat up on the Panthers tomorrow night!
Wait—what? What happened?
For a shove?
Oh. Never mind.
by bilspacecadet on Mar 15, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me try to figure this out.
Richards head-shots Boothe, Boothe gets injured, Richard isn’t suspended. Claim is that no rule was broken, although there is an intent to injure rule that was ignored (and who knows what other rules could’ve been brought into play).
Cooke head-shots Savard, Savard gets injured, Cooke isn’t suspended. NHL office claims it has no choice because of the Richards’ precedent.
Now Ovie.
As stated above, fuck the NHL.
Don’t bother trying to figure it out. Even in this case the league screwed up because Lapierre got 4 games and Ovie only 2.
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So you honestly think AO’s hit deserved as much or more than Lapierre’s. That’s ridiculous.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Where do you see the huge difference?
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Lapierre was directly behind Nichol, cross checked him straight face-first toward the end boards, and wasn’t doing what could fairly be called “finishing his check.” Also, Campbell toe picked. If that doesn’t happen then he just glides it out with no problem. Campbell going into the boards is a lot more flukey than Nichol going into the boards.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Lapierre was directly behind Nichol
Not at all.
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Come on. Watch this and tell me it’s not different.
Lapierre is straight behind him. There’s no way in that situation that Nichol doesn’t plow into the boards.
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Ok, well then we are just not looking at the same thing. AO is skating in on a forecheck toward Campbell who sees him coming. Lapierre is chasing Nichol on the backcheck. How much more directly behind could he be? He was definitely more squarely behind than AO on Campbell.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And they are facing towards the boards, Lapierre knows if he checks nichol they there is only on place nichol ends up. Face first into the boards!!!
Ovechkin is an amazing player and has played thousands of games. He knows the same thing with Campbell.
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Meh. The angle was different enough. If Campbell doesn’t toe pick he doesn’t go into the boards. I literally don’t see any way that Nichol could have not gone into the boards.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Campbell is doing a pretty good job of leaning into, and bracing himself for, the hit until his right skate comes up. He falls, Ovi continues to push, and the consequences are that much worse.
The real question to me is how much Ovi’s pushing caused the toe-pick, because I can see that happening. But by the time Campbell’s right skate starts dragging, Ovi hasn’t pushed him enough to impart any real momentum (angular or linear) to cause him to fall. But the additional application of force, or the bracing for the hit, could have caused the toe-pick.
Either way, ugly, ugly play.
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I don’t know how much the push caused the toe pick, but considering how well Campbell skates I’d bet it was an ice issue over anything else. If he just gets low in his skates and widens his stance a bit he rides that out no problem. He just caught that right skate and everything went FUBAR.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m betting ice as well. You’re 12-1/2 minutes into a frame, or so, and there’s been a lot of traffic in that area? Ice gets rutted up pretty badly, and all it takes is one bad rut to cause something like this.
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12 minutes into the first is a little early for the ice to be so chopped up, but I have no idea how the CHI ice is normally. Anyone know the reputation?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
More relevant is...
THIS atrocity of a board that was on OV. He gets up and they don’t even give 2 minutes.
Which only furthers my point… Only injuries draw suspensions.
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by Chris meet Alex on Mar 15, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone needs to buy Brooks some garters.
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Showin' little leg
That’s how he distracts the opposing goalies!
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by Chris meet Alex on Mar 15, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for finding that. I was at the game, but where we sit, you couldn’t see the full impact of the hit, just that he was boarded. But, hey, it’s Ovie, and nothing hurts him, right? And the Penguins end up with the power play. Idiot officials.
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The big differences I see with the Nichols hit are that he was hit (not pushed after contact) with a crosscheck high across both numbers right after raising and lowering his hands right after he thought he got a goal and didn’t seem to see Lapierre coming. Ovie shoved a guy from the back/side (touched, but didn’t cover one number) after contact with Campbell leaning into him.
Basically Nichols was crosschecked unawares directly in the back high. Campbell was shoved (not crosschecked) from a back angle (but not directly behind) with full awareness of Ovie’s location.
Yes, that’s exactly what he’s saying. Ovechkin makes the same hit on guy and breaks his collarbone. Then factor in the fact that Ovie now has 3 game misconducts on the season and a previous suspension.
Yes, he deserved more.
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Oh, I forgot. Those hits were soooo similar.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean a push from behind on the goal line knocking a player off his skates and into the end board as high speed?
Yeah, totally not the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nis1rZQWC8c
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The first misconduct was the worst fucking call ever. So just drop that one. He deserved the Gleason one and paid for it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah and convicts paid their debt to society but if they commit another crime that gets considered in sentencing.
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Real life =/= hockey. Not even close.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Human nature = human nature
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Criminal justice =/= sports entertainment.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the way justice is applied in every setting involving humans.
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Not really. There’s a difference in how you treat people in a civil or criminal setting. Or in private arbitration. Or whatever. This is a sporting event. It’s not even remotely the same as talking about people who rape, murder, and generally pose a threat to society.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Outcomes affect punishment in law, in parenting, at school, in how people perceive you, etc.
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In the legal system, there isn’t one guy making the decision behind closed doors. You can face your charges in a public arena with the ability to appeal guilty verdicts.
I’m pretty sure Ovechkin can appeal.
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Oh really?
Well that makes it all better. Why didn’t you just say that before? Give them another chance, maybe they’ll get it right this time.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, mostly. I can just think of a plethora of worse hits that weren’t punished this year. And this was only the second worse hit of yesterday! Downie had no legitimate intention; there was no way that play could have ever been legal. As you know, I think AO’s was a bad hit but I don’t think he went in there trying to end Campbell’s season. How Downie gets the benefit of the doubt but not AO is beyond me.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed one hundred percent. The Downie incident was disgusting. You absolutely cannot be any more blatant about your intent to injure.
Since you and I are lawyers, F&B, let me put this in terms of requisite intent:
Ovie = recklessness
Downie = wilful and intentional
Huge difference. Same thing with Cooke—that was intentionally dirty. The problem there is that the league’s precedent (i.e., Richards) was no suspension for intentional hits to the head that—by the rulebook—are arguably legal. It was bullshit, but I understand the league’s reasoning.
I don’t like applying real world rules to hockey or sports in general, but yeah, that’s basically right. AO was going 90 in a 55 and Downie just mowed down a pedestrian on the sidewalk.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s also possibly the ross and richard trophies.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And a shot at a ridiculously elite club.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he can.
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You’ve argued that the punishment is swayed by injury and prior history because that’s the way the real life justice system works. But you’ve also argued that one should follow the rulebook or it isn’t consistent and fair. Now I recognize that you’re arguing the way things work vs. the way they should, but which do you actually support? That it should be black and white based on set criteria regardless of situations that end up slipping through the cracks or should it try for real justice and common sense punishment even if that means a little bias in their rulings?
Not trying to be snarky, I’m just not sure which way to respond to your points sometimes because you occasionally seem inconsistent and I hate arguing against someone only to find they’ve actually been agreeing with me the whole time :)
meh, the punishment could’ve been worse. More Chimmer on the 1L please.
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Wow
I really didn’t think we had this many homers. Can we all step back and realize that Ovie is a beast, and as such, he pushed a guy, from at least 3/4 behind him, violently into the boards for basically no hockey reason other than finishing his check. This was a pretty awful play, one that he didn’t need to make. He got 2 games, because he’s had a handful of plays that crossed the line this year… people are pissed off right now? Seriously?
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The Cooke non suspension is x100000000 more baffling than this.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… if only that was part of the reason people are upset.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What does one have to do with the other?
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Because people are going over the top saying they are disillusioned by the league and yadayadayada when the Cooke hit was what made me really take a hard look at CC and what is going through his head when he makes a ruling.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the disillusionment is a culmination of ALL of the inconsistent suspensions/nonsuspensions….this just blew the lid off it all
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
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Nothing to do with this. Cooke not suspended because Richards wasn’t, and that’s all on the NHL. Enough.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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for basically no hockey reason other than finishing his check.
Last I checked, that was a legitimate reason to hit someone in the NHL.
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by J.P. on Mar 15, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When it’s clean check. Which this hit/shove was not.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
j.p. i think you should be suspended for 2 threads
you aren’t allowed to disagree in a forum.
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by Area 51 Forever on Mar 15, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So, people think this play was clean?
Because it was not a clean check, and the result was someone flying into the boards and their season was ended. So he was suspended.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there’s space in between “clean hit” and “no hockey reason” for it, namely there was a perfectly good reason - establishing a forecheck, etc. – and it was poorly executed (i.e. a bad hit).
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My point was this:
“he pushed a guy, from at least 3/4 behind him, violently into the boards for basically no hockey reason other than finishing his check.”
He was finishing his check, that’s great — something everyone should do. But the puck was gone, and the check was dirty. There was nothing about the action that he took that could be considered within the rules, and his motive for the play was to be rough.
And it so happens that on the play Soup hit the end boards and his season is done. As a direct result of a play that involved no clean hockey at all. This is the definition of suspension.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He was finishing his check, that’s great — something everyone should do. But the puck was gone, and the check was dirty.
I think you’re not quite clear on the definition of “finishing your check.”
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Finishing your check pretty much inherently happens after the guy releases the puck.
For example: Flash skates at Mark Eaton. Eaton dumps the puck up the boards. Flash gently skates away. This is not finishing your check.
Brads skates at Mark Eaton. Eaton dumps the puck up the boards. Brads demolishes him anyway. That’s finishing your check.
The key is keeping it legal.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
In either of those situations, Eaton breaks an arm, just because.
by JustinM on Mar 15, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Flash was so gentle…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think his point is that there wasn’t a ‘finishing your check’ moment. There was nothing to be gained from it really.
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Disagree – there was throwing a defenseman into the boards to let him know that that’s the way the rest of the game was going to be played. If Campbell doesn’t change course at the last second, it’s a different hit entirely.
It ended up a bad hit, don’t get me wrong. But there was certainly a reason to do what AO intended to do (but not what resulted), which is why it should’ve been penalized.
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Maybe it’s because I’m used to seeing my team’s forwards peel off of those hits.
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by PPP on Mar 15, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, your team is run by Americans and known for its truculence…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
In my mind AOs intent was never in question. Unlike people that don’t watch him everyday, we know the kind of person and hockey player he is. But the fact of the matter is that he is an absolute brute of a man, and he sent Soup into the end boards illegally. No matter what anyone says… sure Ovie was anticpating him skating differently, but he still has to be responsible for what actually happens…which was an illegal hit ending a season.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t buy the “eggshell plaintiff” when Marc Savard can’t even watch television right now and David Booth missed most of the season.
They penalized the hit, not the result. And they went overboard in penalizing the hit, IMO.
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Well, that’s a different story all together. CC connected the dots between Richards/Booth and Cooke and let him off. Do I agree with it? No, it’s baffling. And we can’t use it as precedent for anything, especially not relating to this hit.
If Soup get’s right up, no suspension.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If Ovechkin doesn’t finish his check, then Campbell comes around the net, gains a full head of steam, and Keith can pass the puck to him to start a rush up ice. I kind of always got the impression that finishing your checks is one of those things you do as a forechecker to bog down the defensemen and prevent them from rushing the puck like that.
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by Wheeler on Mar 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No. Don’t think it was clean. I’m still not totally convinced it merited a 2-game suspension, though. This was a hockey play gone bad. Ovie decided to finish his check and Campbell didn’t turn to his left as fast as he anticipated, then fell.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Yup.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, people think this is the answer?
This was a hockey play gone bad. Ovie decided to finish his check and Campbell didn’t turn to his left as fast as he anticipated, then fell.
He decided to finish his check illegally, from behind, and the result was a player’s season is over. That’s a suspension. Regardless if it was a hockey play gone bad, or however you’d like to doll it up.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong. Just wrong. He decided to finish his check and the result was an unfortunate combination of Ovi’s strength, Campbell’s toe-pick, Campbell’s course and Ovi’s over-exuberance/poor decision-making.
There’s simply not the malice aforethought that you ascribe to AO. Hockey happens fast. FYI.
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by J.P. on Mar 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See above, intent can save you when you don’t have a history.
What happened, outside of everyone’s imagination or hyopthetical or Ovie’s intent of what the play should’ve been….. was an illegal hit ending a season.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
First thing…
was an illegal hitending a season
Injury is not supposed to factor into punishment. It does, of course, but you’re supposed to try to not factor it in.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I know malice aforethought, and this was no malice aforethought.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
By the time Campbell got rid of the puck Ovi was pretty much on top of him, no way he could have pulled back.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he could’ve pulled up, but that’s not how AO plays.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. And really, do we want to see Ovechkin start pulling up?
Knuble says yes, and I think he’s onto something, but part of me kinda find it weird when hockey players start telling other hockey players to stop playing so hard and to stop finishing checks.
Ovechkin needs to figure out how to pick his spots without making bad decisions and crossing the line. Unfortunately, if you take away Ovechkin’s reckless abandon, are you left with the most dynamic player in the league? I’m not so sure.
The problem there is that Ovechkin isn’t doing any more than a lot of guys – he’s just so strong that the same move has a different effect. He’s in a whole other class.
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by gotsparkly on Mar 15, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that’s the thing. 9 times out of 10, we’re going to tell AO to establish himself on that hit against Campbell. That’s not even a penalty if Campbell keeps his balance.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be an interference minor, but I think it came close enough on when Campbell got rid of the puck that it wouldn’t even be that.
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And we have a way of dealing with plays that are illegal in the game. They are called penalties. They happen all the time. Not everything that is handled in-game needs to addressed afterward. If we are suspending players for making illegal checks, then every time someone is hit illegally there should be a suspension, but that would be ridiculous. There are varying degrees of illegality. This one merited in-game punishment and nothing more.
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by renstar on Mar 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is a pretty clear example of how the resulting injury effected the length of the suspension. If Soup gets right up, no suspension, obviously.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a pretty clear example of how the resulting injury effected the length of the suspension. If Soup gets right up, no suspension, obviously.
My question is: why are you cool with that? Defensemen get hit on/near the goal line—often from behind—all the time. They rarely crash into the boards and break some ribs. It’s impossible to predict the results of every action we take, especially moving at high speed on ice, so I think the best way to adjudicate hockey incidents is to judge the actions themselves, not the outcome.
by RPI93 on Mar 15, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you discipline injuries, you do nothing to curb the actions that actually produce the injuries.
However, people need to take off their tinfoil hats and aknowledge that Ovie did, in fact, do something wrong. He ended up injuring Campbell
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Ovie did, in fact, do something wrong. He ended up injuring Campbell
That’s not what he did wrong though. The injury is completely aside the point. If he did something wrong, he did something wrong whether or not Campbell got hurt. More accurately you should have said “AO did something wrong and Campbell got hurt.” All season players have been throwing bad hits, but without the injury the league just doesn’t pay attention. What AO did wrong wasn’t even close to what some of the other players in the league have done wrong this year.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I made a bit of a jump there. Ovie did something wrong, he made an irresponsible hit. I should have made that distinction.
I think the injury adds to the fact that a hit like that, in that situation, is irresponsible. It has very serious ramifications. And EVERY player, not just Ovechkin, needs to learn that you don’t make that hit.
I agree, I don’t think it was horrible at all. We have two examples of actions, farrrrr more deplorable than anything Ovie has ever done. Downie and Cooke
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Do you really think that if Ovie is just one half-step later, any of this happens?
He doesn’t charge him – he’s gliding.
He doesn’t take his feet out.
He doesn’t hit him in the head.
He doesn’t cross check him.
What he does is hit him in the back of the left shoulder while Campbell was rotating toward his left. One half-second later and he hits him square in the side and it’s legal.
I’m not saying the hit was legal, or clean. I’m saying it was a legitimate hockey play that turned ugly because Ovie mistimed it. It was a penalty, but I don’t think it ought to have been a suspension.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Though if AO does get him square in the side Campbell probably goes flying head first toward the end boards. He was almost safer getting it how he got it because normally he can skate it out and use AO’s force to generate his own momentum. The toe pick ended that dream.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You and everyone else keep conjuring up hypotheticals for what might have happened, and that Ovie didn’t mean any of it. I agree with all of it %10000000. But this is not what happened on the ice. Right? So good intent, or no malicious intent more accurately, only saves you in a Richards/Booth situation, not when Ovie has been all over the place this year and Soup is done for the entire season.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless, an unfortunate injury shouldn’t decide a suspension.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. I challenge anyone to tell my why this is more worthy of a suspension than the Adams hit on AO or the Kozlov hit on Gomez.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it shouldn’t, but when the play is undoubtedly dirty, not in intent, but in reality, and the injured player is out for the season… how can it not be a suspension?
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Mar 15, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t think all of us agree that the hit was “undoubtedly dirty.” When you start judging discipline by the result of the hit/infraction and not by the hit/infraction itself, it makes things very blurry. Legal hits can have catastrophic results and dirty hits can produce no injuries at all.
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by boutros23 on Mar 15, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Intent is 50% of the game. There’s no way that was intent to injure: there was no precedent. The fact they gave him 2 games for Campbell’s toe-pick shows that they have other people they don’t want to piss off more than AO.
You don’t expel the guy who nearly ended Bryan Berard’s career with a high stick: it was complete bad luck.
And, of course, the NHL doesn’t ban Bertuzzi either for actually ending the career of Dominic Moore (or the brother, I thought it was Dom).
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If the NHL was suspending this and everything worse, we’re happy it’s only two games. But the point is, they’re missing much, much worse incidents. That’s why we keep bringing up Booth-Richards, Kozlov, etc.
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
What is an unfortunate injury?
The NHL will have to decide whether to include a resulting injury in their penalty assessment or not. You can’t say in some cases the resulting injuries counts and in some it doesn’t. I prefer they NHL added extra punishment if the player gets injured but that is just me.
Sadly, we have no clue what the NHL does regarding injuries when determining suspensions. At best, we can conclude they selectively do.
See my above comment: injuries happen all the time, some of them complete flukes. This was a fluke.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d define an unfortunate injury as one that you wouldn’t expect to occur under the given circumstances.
I thought Campbell had the wind knocked out of him, and maybe a separated shoulder. I’d say the broken clavicle is an unfortunate injury.
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Ok, but as Renstar pointed out above, the NHL has in-game discipline (penalties) and supplementary discipline (suspensions). There are lots of plays where players get hurt that don’t result in suspensions, and there are even some plays where players get hurt and someone takes a penalty and there is no suspension.
The point of supplementary discipline, as I understand it, is to punish someone who willfully transgressed the rules of the game to an extraordinary degree, such that the in-game discipline was insufficient.
I just don’t see that in this case. Brashear on Betts? Yep. Tucker on Peca? Sure. Cooke on Savard? Oh hell yeah. Ovie on Campbell? Not so much…
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
this has been my take. AO was given a 5-minute penalty and a game misconduct. his team went down a man for 5 minutes AND his team’s best player was on the shelf for the rest of the game. this is why penalties were created, to penalize. i would have thought suspensions were for plays that go above and beyond a typical penalty—in this case a boarding penalty—to show intent or malice.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Completely, utterly and totally agree, Natty – rec’d. This is EXACTLY what I’ve been trying to say to people all day (although it’s tricky in 140 characters…stupid Twitter). He was punished, to an extreme in my opinion, and the team had to pay for – and make up for – what happened in the aftermath. There was no intent to injure here – he wasn’t stalking Campbell from across the ice, he didn’t charge, and he didn’t crosscheck him in the back. I just don’t believe there should be any further punishment.
Wholeheartedly agree as well. Now if only we could smash that into CC’s little head.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Something said on NHL Live Today
By Doc Emerick when talking about why Ovie should be suspended. He stated that Ovie knew what would happen to Campbell when he hit him so he deserved the suspension. How is that even possible? How do you know you are going to injure someone on a play?
I suspect it goes back to a question Doc posed during the game yesterday/ Doc asked Olcyzk about this and Edzo said (paraphrasing, from memory) that he thought it was the sort of play that OV would’ve known that Campbell would’ve gone into the boards.
Okay. I can see that. But how would he know that Campbell would be so injured? People go into the boards all the time.
once you’re headed to the boards, anything could happen. You have to know that getting severely injured is a possible outcome.
Most of the time (going from memory) the defenseman gets upright from the hit’s impact and goes into the boards on a clean check. Here, he was too low for that, I suppose.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn’t mean it’s okay to send them into the boards like that. You can’t know for sure if they will get injured, but you throw a guy into the boards like that and you do know that there is a very good chance he will get hurt. I’m not saying that I agree with Doc, but if you think AO intentionally threw him into the boards then Doc is right: just because a guy might not get injured it doesn’t mean that it’s okay to do something with a high probability of injury.
Cooke didn’t know Savard’s season would be over, but he sure as shit knew that a shoulder to his head would fuck him up.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The suspension is mostly because of the injury. If one of our guys was out the rest of the year on an illegal play (2min or otherwise) we’d be after his head too. Its a shame too since I felt OV had actually toned it down somewhat since his 1st suspenssion and geting the C.
I’d be calling for a penalty too because it certainly was boarding. Was it malicious or intending to injure him? No, you see the same play a dozen times a game and you’re lucky to get the call once. It’s a typical hockey play that went horribly wrong because Campbell lost his footing and went uncontrolled into the boards. You can’t not hit someone because they might trip up and hit the boards. You’re either going to have to remove them or remove physical contact because Ovechkin is going to make the same exact play when he comes back. The same would go for anyone who finishes checks.
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and thats probably why he only got 2 instead of 4 like the most receant boarding suspension. I don’t think it was a dirty play, but sometimes bad things happen anyway. OV has to pay the consequences for the results of his actions. Hence the suspension
I don’t mind players paying the consequences when warranted, but despite the unfortunate outcome, in this case suspension wasn’t warranted.
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If Semin had his wrist broken by a vicious slash, should the slasher be suspended?
The undertone of this entire thread is the NHL’s inability to penalize unsportsmanlike plays that don’t result in injury. I think that is what drives most people’s anger at the suspension
By itself, AO’s hit on Campbell hit was plain stupid. It was rulebook boarding and it resulted in a likely season-ending injury. The suspension is warranted in his case.
But, when AO’s suspension is placed alongside the Booth and Savard hits, it leaves one scratching one’s head.
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by hotdog88gt on Mar 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes
And that’s justifiably frustrating.
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There’s a penalty for boarding; there’s not yet a penalty for hits to the head.
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Except that there IS a penalty for attempting to injure, and no sane person could claim that Cooke was doing anything but.
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They explained that
Now, I don’t agree with it but I think Pierre Lebrun explained that the reason they did not invoke “Intent To Injure” is because that clause has to be connected to an actual penalty that was called.
Stupid but here we are.
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Roughing would work just dandy.
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No but it had to have been called. I think it’s dumb because that rule is the perfect catch-all to deal with situations like the Cooke hit.
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I know I’ve sure taken a lot of “roughing” penalties that were catch-alls for generally being a thug.
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I know it isnt the wording of the rule, but I always assumed that was sort of the purpose of the “roughing” minor. Its the “you did something that is against the rules or spirit of the game but I cant quite place my finger on exactly which one it was.” That, or unsportsmanlike conduct should qualify for that as well.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s true. The rule specifically states “in any manner”.
by David M. Getz on Mar 15, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, which is why I thought that was what they would do but the NHL Operations guy told someone on my television that that is how they apply it.
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there’s not yet a penalty for hits to the head.
There’s a penalty for intent to injure. There’s a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct. There’s a penalty for making Gary Bettman’s daughter ask uncomfortable questions. Defending Campbell’s (non)treatment of Cooke via this factoid is quite silly.
Except that the precedents set for head shots this year have been to not suspend; whereas the precedents set for boarding this year have been to suspend.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Not really. Did Handzus get suspended? Or Kozlov? Or Adams? Or Koci? The use of the word “precedent” in any NHL context is inappropriate.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
forget about the booth and savard hits
lets compare this to he koci hit on green. establishing backcheck or forecheck, hit’s him in he numbers, guy goes head first into boards… i fail to see a difference.
btw, first post, but a longtime lurker. probably won’t be able to post as much as a lot of you guys, but love this blog.
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by wildcaps on Mar 15, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s different. Koci never saw anything but Green’s numbers. Even if Koci hits Green a full second later, Green’s head still bounces off the boards. If Ovie hits Campbell just a moment later, everything turns out fine, in part because he’d be hitting him from the side.
Also, Green had released the puck a good couple of seconds before Koci hit him. And it was toward the end of a blowout.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
i think i’m agreeing with you. if the koci hit got no suspension, theres no way this hit deserves one.
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And a toe pick.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Always gonna rec a good first post.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agreed. That is the past decision that makes me upset about this one. Honestly, I thought a suspension was justified for this hit (though the match surprised me), but given the NHL’s consistent refusal to suspend other players – even complete goons – for comparable hits, I really do think Ovie is held to a different standard for reasons unrelated to his disciplinary record.
Bottom line for me as a Caps fan is that Ovie has to understand he cannot do this in the playoffs. He needs to play smarter.
by grapejoos on Mar 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I side with Knuble in that regard. Ovechkin is going to get himself killed. On the other hand, that’s the only way Ovechkin plays. It wouldn’t be the same if he let up because he might injure someone.
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I hear you, and maybe he can’t regulate it. But if he can, he needs to know that nothing is to be gained by hitting a guy in the back near the boards. In a vacuum I think it’s good to suspend for a hit like that because it is so dangerous. But of course when you don’t punish intentional hits to the head that cause devastating injuries when the exact same logic applies, you get this.
Going forward, the bottom line is that ovie is a marked man with the refs and the NHL, has been all year, and that’s never going to change at this point. To help his team, as a captain, he has to play smarter than this. I have faith in him that he can.
by grapejoos on Mar 15, 2010 6:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
welcome! and way to be thoughtful without capitalizing.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The worst part about all of this is that the NHL has now increased the bias against Ovi, as this dirty, reckless, non-caring, I could give a shit about others, and Crosby as this perfect angel who never does anything wrong and is the perfect ambassador for the sport. Casual fans see Ovi as a complete dirt-bag, which couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s just frustrating to see how unfairly judged Ovechkin is and is labeled as the bad guy in all of this. As the days wear on, the NHL is managing too increase the bias that Crosby = good and Ovechkin = bad. That’s the most frustrating part.
by reesem37 on Mar 15, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
Ovi HAS been reckless. But unlike Cooke, Ruutu Koci, Ott and their ilk he doesn’t intend to injure
I think reesem37 is partially right, though. I will stipulate that he has reckless moments, more so than most players of his caliber. However, suspending him and not the afore mentioned players does nothing but reinforce that their (consistent) dangerous, reckless, and jackassy play is perfectly acceptable.
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One of the things that was mentioned yesterday, and mentioned frequently by Caps insiders is how strong Ovi is. He’s 235 or so, solid muscle. He’s a tank on skates and it really doesn’t take much effort for him to do a considerable amount of damage. If it had been Bradley, or Backstrom, or Steckel, or Chimera making the same play, Campbell doesn’t toe pick and he doesn’t end up with a busted shoulder.
As good as all these guys are, Ovi is a different breed. Him pushing Campbell results in a considerably different outcome than other guys pushing him. In that respect I think Ovi probably needs to understand that the same action by him and another guy can have considerably different outcomes, and those results matter when it comes to judgement day.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
On this point I agree with Mike Babcock who said (paraphrasing) what he saw was a hockey hit by a stronger guy on a weaker one, no sense to punish just because he’s stronger.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The thing with Ovi though, is his “reckless” play stems from him throwing 110% of himself into his hockey. The dude loves it, and isn’t going to hold back. And quite frankly, IMO, he shouldn’t have to.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Read the story I linked:
Veteran Mike Knuble did not want to comment specifically on the hit, but the 37-year-old did say he would like to see his hard-hitting teammate tone down some of his aggressiveness, if for no other reason than self-preservation.
“He has the reputation that he plays hard,” Knuble said. “But things seem to be happening around him. You would like to see him being more careful because, number one, you don’t want to see him hurt himself and, number two, so he doesn’t miss games — for our benefit.”
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by PPP on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree and I have a growing fear that the NHL, the non objective media, and the negative internet circus are going to break that wonderful spirit. Several people have already commented that Ovie hasn’t seemed the same since November.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
That’s what I’m concerned about. I am seriously, seriously reminded of the movie “Rocket”, though. Consider Rocket Richard’s situation and Alex Ovechkin’s situation – how are they different?
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Because Ovechkin isn’t a member of an ethno-linguistic minority that is treated like second-class citizens.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
I don’t know, D’ohboy. He’s Russian, which is a different context, but there’s definitely anti-European sentiment among some of the older hockey minds in the game these days. It goes with the perception that hockey is Canada’s game, and watching the Olympics has left me convinced that some at least both fear and resent the change in style that has come with the advent of Europeans into the league. I think that some people feel threatened by that, and has the most visible European figure, Ovi is taking the brunt of that. His rivalry with Crosby (the golden child) does not help.
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by gotsparkly on Mar 15, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that there are some who don’t like the fact that the best player in the game is Russian, but I don’t think this is on par with how the Quebecois and English-speaking populations of Canada interacted in the mid-20th century.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Or even Canada v. Russia of the 1980s.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody reallly thought he would be suspended more than 3 games did they?
And miss Caps/Pens on NHL Network? Ha.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
nhl network
They are talking about the suspension now (and for the past 20 mins) on NHL network’s simulcast of the NHL power play. Just had Kolbe on it
I can't tell who is livid and who isn't
but I’m not. Sure, a little pissed off of the inconsistency in ruling by CC and Co, but no more uncertainty now. I could’ve seen the wheel of justice give him 5 games or more, or even rescind his game misconduct. It’s only two games. He’s still got a great shot to catch Crosby for the Richard and may still even lead the Ross race when he gets back. And man, will he be inspired in those final 11 games of the season.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans no more intelligent than myself
We Caps fans had to assume a suspension
I was hoping for only one, but I guess if Ovechkin had to miss two games, it would be these next two against bottom dwelling division foes (despite Gabby’s inevitable “Carolina is the GOAT team in the league” speach upcoming).
Some good quotes in there.
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I'm with Fehr on this one
Being a Hawks fan its hard to be diplomatic, but Ovechkin is going to grab a two game break. My top 4 defenseman is peaced for the season. Oh well…..
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by S h a g g y on Mar 15, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for making me laugh.
“Ward, weren’t you a little hard on the Beaver last night?”
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: these hits (Ovechkin’s, Steve Downie’s, Matt Cooke’s, etc.) are Rorschach tests;
No, THIS is a Rorschach Test:

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by PPP on Mar 15, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I admit I was dead wrong on Campbell “milking it” yesterday. That is a really unfortunate injury and I have to believe it played into the 2 game suspension whether they claim it does or not. 2 games is a cop out, trying to make everyone not be upset with the decision. If you thought it was suspension worthy, and he’s a repeat offender this year, give him 5 games. If you thought what a lot of people thought, that it was NOT from behind and it was more Campbell toe picking himself into the boards than the shove, rescind the major and give him no suspension.
Whatever…2 games is nothing. The inconsistency is just maddening.
Good point
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Good quotes from Knuble, about what you’d expect any teammate to say. There are far worse players who play over the “aggressive” line out there though, and if you take away that part of Ovechkin’s game, does it change overall how effective he and the team are. Some better judgement in certain areas I’d definitely like to see, but the refs need to not buy into the PA-hyped rep either.
by Davethecapsfan on Mar 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else here feel that GMGM isn’t trying very hard to keep AO from getting suspended? Perhaps because he feels that a shorter suspension now is better than letting CC hold a grudge come playoff time? I mean, there’s so much evidence (and fucking commentary, for Christ’s sake) that AO’s hit was not only commonplace in the NHL, but that Campbell just suffered some seriously bad luck when he toe-picked himself into a broken collarbone.
Fuck this hypocrisy.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
At least Ovi will get a nice rest
He has looked tired lately. Broken collarbones are very common in cycling, and somewhat common in hockey. The old boy fell badly, to his misfortune, it was quite clearly not Ovi’s fault. The league is so biased against Capitals, European players, and Ovi in particular that they could harldy refrain from penalizing him, given even the glimmer of an opportunity.
That’s the thing, they’re really not biased against our team or our players. They’re just wrong. Nearly all the time.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Appearances.
Reality.
Sometimes, the two don’t mix right.
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The NHL is never going to hear the end of this from pundits
Its bad, really bad, when every talking head out there is saying this shouldn’t have been a game misconduct, or a major, and they should rescind it.
This suspension is absolutely ridiculous and I don’t know how anyone can have faith in Collin Campbell to regulate this league. His consistency is a joke and he defends and suspends anyone he wants disregarding what they have or haven’t done. They are now saying he is a repeat offender which is an absolute joke in light of the Matt Cooke hit. The league losses credibility on incidents exactly like this.
There are rules that the NHL could of suspended Matt Cooke on but they choose not to. There are rules specifically about purposefully injuring a player and injuring a players head or face both under Game Misconduct penalties.
Now I’m a Caps fan(obviously right?), and its very upsetting to me, not the Ovechkin hit actually, but how downplayed the Steve Downie slew-footing Crosby hit is. The replay is gruesome and Crosby is lucky he is so young because he could of been seriously injured. To me that hit was very much so intent to injure and a direct response to Steven Stamkos being leveled only moments later.
This is also outrageous in that these games will essentially force Ovechkin to hand over the Richard and Art Ross trophy. All kinds of teams have their conspiracy theories but I can’t help but not see favoratism in not suspending Matt Cooke and suspending Ovechkin when they play for their respective clubs. Someone else also pointed to each time Ovechkin has been suspended he has been suspended long enough to not play Florida, where Collin Campbell’s son plays. Like seriously…..am I going crazy now
Also, next home game I’m making a new version of the “Free Alex” campaign, everyone is welcome to join with ideas.
Breaklance
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
by breaklance on Mar 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Let
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Reply fail. Let's DO THIS!!!

Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking
Ovechkin
4
Cooke
Clean Players: and then doing the numbers of Cooke, Downie, Lappeirre
or
simply “Where’s the line, Mr Savard?”
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .

Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
HEY. That’s my door!
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by Jake Shapiro on Mar 15, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are away games, no one will see it.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Party pooper!
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry. I’m just a pragmatist.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
And you just made me into a pessimist.
/snark overload
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i know :(
but there still is a point to be made. I’ve just been really feisty lately cause of some bullshit fines. Like my college fined me for parking on campus, I chewed out the rent-a-cop with a “I’m paying 20,000 a year to go here I should be able to park any damn place I want”
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
Via Steinz:
Boudreau: “I don’t think it does the game any favor to have Alex suspended. That’s just me, that’s just my opinion.”
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
Sure it does. Alex sits out the game that WSH plays against Colin Campbell’s son’s team. That helps him out quite a bit.
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Let’s just be happy that our next two games are against Florida and Carolina.
Well, I is scared of Carolina. Sort of. Don’t tell?
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, and while i won’t go so far as to say that is not a coincidence, I will say again: That should never, ever, be a remote possibility.
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I don’t see how it isn’t a conflict of interest that he rules on something that takes place in the game before that team faces his son’s team. That’s even more conflict of interest than ruling on something that happens IN a Florida game. Any resulting suspension wouldn’t affect FLA.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
To his credit, he does recuse himself on suspensions involving Florida players or Florida’s direct opponent… but STILL.
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Are you honestly afraid of CAR and FLA?
You just beat the Hawks without him. Division is sewn up, conference is practically clinched, and 5 pts ahead for President’s Trophy.
Perspective maybe?
They’ve played well against us this year. They’ve got a good offense, too. They always seem to play well against us.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No one was scared of Edmonton as an 8 seed the year they went to the Cup finals.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Right..............
But division is done. Pens are in 2nd are 14 pts behind. In the big picture I bet you’ll realize these 2 games nothing
Well, yeah. I actually meant I wouldn’t want to face Carolina in the playoffs.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Carolina is rolling right now
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. At the end of all this, I don’t think we should feel all that sorry for ourselves given that we’ve lost Ovie (who we can easily replace) for a couple meaningless games, while Chicago has lost Soupy (who they cannot easily replace at this point) for the rest of the year.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Now… if they could still bank cap space…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If they could only apply it to next year.
They need AT&Love Rollover Cap Room
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this, I’m simply not sharing the outrage today. None of this matters in the long run. If anything, giving Ovie a breather will help matters.
If your name is Donald Brashear, it can. (And I’m beginning to think if your name is Alex Ovechkin and your upcoming opponent is the Pens, it can also happen.)
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No, not really. Remember they went 6-2 earlier in the season without him. I don’t think that has anything to do with it.
I don’t think you’ve been around Caps fans very much. The problem here is that we are absolutely sick and tired of our team and our players being trashed in the press damn near nonstop, especially when half the time it isn’t deserved. We love our team and our players, and it’s like watching your friend get beaten up in the press day after day and knowing there’s nothing you can do about it.
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by gotsparkly on Mar 15, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Caps get a lot more good press than they do bad press. Caps fans just tend to remember when they are slighted more than when they are praised.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
But we deserve our good press and don’t deserve the bad!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t watch at school. Can you expound please?
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He thought the Cooke one was much worse. He held up at the end though. You know Babs.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“I didn’t comment on the Cooke play when it happened, and so now, here we are,” coach Mike Babcock said. “Now you ask me about Ovechkin and to me the other one (Cooke’s) was way more severe. Now I haven’t seen all the replay angles, but it’s a stronger guy (Ovechkin) pushing another guy and the accident happens. It’s very unfortunate that it happened, but to me, I didn’t think it was — aw, I don’t know. I’m not in charge.”
From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100315/SPORTS0103/3150406/1128/rss16#ixzz0iHiJpMSO
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
He was this close to saying he didn’t think it deserved a match penalty/suspension. . . then he held back and said, “I’m not in charge here.”
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Love it. I’ve always been a fan of Babcock.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically against the decision, but he clams up before he says anything too stupid against the league.
I have a C on my heart.
Thanks for the link. Babcock shaking his head over Cooke vs Ovi says much about the utter inconsistency of it all.
by capsyoungguns on Mar 15, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
From BSH
In other news, the NHL suspended Alex Ovechkin two games for his hit on Brian Campbell. Over at Japer’s Rink, they’re all tinfoil hatty, with J.P. saying such things as:Tin-foil hatty? Ridiculous theory? I really didn’t think I’d said anything controversial.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: these hits (Ovechkin’s, Steve Downie’s, Matt Cooke’s, etc.) are Rorschach tests; people see what they want to see in them, be it a chance to critique the game, promote a hero by unfairly ripping apart a “villain,” or what have you. Me? I saw a two-minute minor for boarding. Apparently Colin Campbell (whose son, incidentally, will face the Caps tomorrow night in Sunrise) saw it differently.There’s an arguable point in there somewhere I think, but it’s all quickly lost in that ridiculous theory spouted there at the end. The fact of the matter is that yes, Matt Cooke’s hit was much, much worse than the one Ovechkin put on Campbell. At least initially. In the end, both players are likely out for the year so from that perspective they are the same hit.
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Um, all you did was state a fact. Talk about seeing what you want to see.
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by gotsparkly on Mar 15, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To each his own.
Everyone wants to kill the king. But the prince, he just sails along telling all the ladies, "One day I'm gonna be king."
by Steck It Out on Mar 15, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither did I, but oh well. It’s also funny that they are so clearly against the Cooke hit. I’m pretty sure they defended the Richards hit, but maybe they didn’t.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If this were someone totally random, I could buy the misinterpretation, but I thought the guys at BSH knew you a little better than that.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
You don't have to be crazy to post here
But these guys are…

There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
I always go for this style:

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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
well, yeah
But Joaquin Phoenix is awesome.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This sort of statement is the reason why the “Go Flyers” joke exists on this blog.
No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.
i disagree, if you look at the original PPP post, the “go flyers” joke is aimed at people that can’t put together a complete sentence.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s expanded, though, to mean any excessively silly statement.
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i still say if you’re making the joke and you’re using correct grammar, you’re doing it wrong! :)
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I think the application of the term tinfoil hattyness here is a bit Rorschachian – people can see what they want to see in it.
Ovi fell all by himself during the fast-break/penalty shot competition at the All Star Game last year. If he had torn up his knee and was out for some time I guess whoever was last to touch him should have been suspended for a couple of games
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The reason why I hate the Flyers even more than I hate the Pens.
I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!
Yea, and going fan-base wide is really unfortunate. I’ve met bad flyers fans, also good ones.
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I understand its easier than saying “I hate all Flyers fans, …except the good ones”.
It doesn’t really work
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I hate douchebags, no matter their team affiliation sounds proper to me.
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Agree!
I’m not from North America, so I really have no idea of the hatred etc, but I really like to get a feel of it. Thats mostly why I’m here today.
I am a hockey fan, that just happens to also be a Flyers fan.
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Aha, so how did you become a fan?
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I remember seeing the Flyers playing on ESPN and thinking Desjardins was a funny name. Thats pretty much it haha. Followed it online ever since.
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desjardins was a hell of a player. the trade that brought him to philly—recchi for leclair/desjardins/dionne—was such a steal for the flyers.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My only experience of Desjardins was in EA games so I can’t really say anything other than that he was great in them.
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by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
So you must love Jeremy Roenick.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve disliked Philly sports fans since the infamous “body bag game” with the Redskins, less class has never ever been shown
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They cheered at the Vet as people were carried off on carts
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Puck Daddy makes a good point:
If only Ovechkin had the good sense to place Campbell in a Scorpion Death Lock along the boards like Steve Downie, he might have avoided suspension. But then Sidney Crosby(notes) came back and played, right? Suspensions are only for the injurious, not the ones with intentions to injure.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Ovechkin-gets-2-game-suspension-NHL-calls-hit-?urn=nhl,228120#remaining-content
So just remember to aim high, or aim low and it isn’t a suspension. Time to start crackbacking Crosby, Toews, Marleau and anyone else making a name for themselves.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
McPhee’s statement:
"We have no problem with the way Alex tried to finish his check. Unfortunately, an injury resulted. We are disappointed with the suspension but do not want to comment further."
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Par for the course.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t there NHL rules forbidding them (GMGM, Bruce and Ted) from commenting at this point else the club can be fined as well as has been mentioned anything being used against them in the future in the NHL Kangaroo Court….
by markbona-capsfan99 on Mar 15, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. They can be fined.
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Reading between the lines, GMGM seemed to have made his comment known in that statement.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This sucks.
I can’t really find it in myself to continue supporting a league run this poorly. If these suspensions keep getting handled the way they are throughout the league currently…
Most of these plays aren’t in the least bit subjective. It’s incredibly easy to watch a replay and decide how something should be handled.
It’s like Campbell is presenting the case to 75 year old women, who have never watched hockey, telling them nothing about the rules of the game, and then capping it off by informing them of any injuries that occurred to the “victim.”
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I think I’m running along the same lines as you. I’m not as upset with the suspension as I am with the feeling that I must not understood the rules of hockey as well as I thought, because current application makes makes no sense to me. I’ll have a fun time explaining this to my friends who are new to the game.
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That is something that puzzles me. How is that Gary gets these suspensions across his desk and says: “Good work Colin. I understand exactly where you are coming from and how you came to this decision.” Of all the things the league does is there anything that consistently draws as much criticism as its disciplinary action? Sure, there are two sides in every story, but every decision that is made by Campbell there is a sizable (unbiased?) group that is baffled by the decision.
How can the league continue to stand behind these actions when it serves as a black eye everytime out.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
by Sct112 on Mar 15, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy Crap
Per Tarik:
Ovechkin will forfeit $232,645.40 of his salary to the Players’ Emergency Assistance Fund.
Two games. Man. I’m in the wrong line of work.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Did you check out that Vinny salary calculater from a few weeks back? Depressing as hell.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I probably shouldn’t, though. And, I’m just guessing here, neither should you, given your status as a gradual student. :)
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Yea, I think Vinny made my annual salary every .2 shots on goal or something awful like that.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yea either that or you dont posses the talent Ovi does…then again who does
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Oh, I do possess the talent that Ovie does. It’s just that my talent for sitting around and drinking beer has yet to pay off. I think it will any day now, though.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You haven’t had the proper rations of nachos.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I am still mystified how those abominations that are served at the Verizon Center managed to earn the name nachos.
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Cheese and chips. Nachos.
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Chips a sorta buy, but that “cheese” never saw the inside of a cow.
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by gotsparkly on Mar 15, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay orange, cheese flavoured junk and chips? Nachos!
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I should have included the word glutinous.
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It’s like the days I used to spend building small villages out of Triscuits or Wheat Thins and Easy Cheese.
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Now it only requires a minor revision...
box s/b “Dammit, Pronger or Ovechkin” Everything else stays the same that way Colin Campbell can remain “consistent”…
by markbona-capsfan99 on Mar 15, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I Saw it the Same Way Tarik Did so...
My Reaction to the suspension, Colin Campbell, and Gary Buttman and the way things like this are ruining the game is two words -
Horse S%!t
by markbona-capsfan99 on Mar 15, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
How alliterative of you! :-)
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To me, the silver lining in this is that the role players who are fighting for a spot get a chance to prove their worth, and maybe find some sort of chemistry with line combinations that we can use down the stretch and through the playoffs
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Watched it live, cringed, thought it was getting 5. Just watched the replay several times on youtube, saw Ovie tap him on his leg with his stick letting him know he was there and he was gonna clobber him. No intent to injure whatsoever. I honestly don’t see a toepick there. I’m upset about the suspension, but really, it was a dangerous play whereas he could’ve peeled off and pursued Keith, but he had already made up his mind he was gonna finish off Campbell (not literally). It really could’ve and should’ve been avoided. 2 games? I guess I can live with it when just looking at the hit by itself, its the lack of any reason for any sort of suspension thats so angering.
Watch Campbell’s right foot. It digs into the ice hard and sends him falling forward into the boards. He was upright until his foot dug in and slowed him down.
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So what happens if he doesn’t toepick? I still think with the force of the shove it sends him into the boards, just maybe at not as awkward an angle.
If he didn’t toepick, he’d have gone into the boards with his body. He’d have been fine since it was a clean hit. Unfortunately, you can see his right foot dig and that caused him to go into the boards awkward.
It was absolutely something with the ice. His right foot comes loose after the hit so either Ovechkin has some telepathic ability or something happened which caused his foot to dig. That was why he was injured and why it looked so bad. It’s just a terrible accident.
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New Fanhouse article calling for Campbell’s ouster:
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/15/colin-campbell-must-go/
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This is interesting – it doesn’t bring up what those outside forces are, though. It doesn’t mention that WSH plays FLA on Tuesday. It doesn’t mention that many suspensions are the result of media outrage (see: Green, Mike).
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Holy takeaway lines, Bettman.
You can argue about the legality of the hits by Ovechkin and Cooke forever. Here’s what you cannot argue: a major professional sports league that suspends a superstar for an ill-timed shove, but gives a free pass to a dirty, recidivist third-liner has lost a large dose of integrity.
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by winterion on Mar 15, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
And from a NYI guy so he should be mostly objective.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see some solid investigative reporting on how Campbell makes these decisions. Rip apart the veil.
Of course, I’d just love some good investigative reporting by mainstream media.
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For what it’s worth, Second City Hockey (Blackhawks Blog) Thinks that two games is about right, which IMO gives more support to the argument that this is a little too long a suspension.
So just because the Chicago fans think the 2 game suspension is alright you think it’s too much? Maybe some of their fans are educated folk. I mean think about it reversed say one of theiir better players had done a similar thing to Green, Poti or Corvo and those guys were out for the season now? How would we all feel?
I don’t agree with either the game misconduct or the suspension but let’s be honest about our reactions and perspective, here – just sayin’
by markbona-capsfan99 on Mar 15, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. To me, that speaks to a fanbase that understands the realities of the NHL. I disagree with the way this was handled from the moment Campbell hit the boards, to present, but to a casual observer, this strikes me as a quite reasonable outcome.
Now what would be nice, and would actually help to establish precedent, would be for the NHL to make a detailed analysis of the play, and perhaps compare it to similar plays which received fewer and more suspension time so the players can actually learn what makes a play illegal. Of course, the NHL is a joke (and assigns penalties based on criteria they are ashamed of), so that’s a pipe dream.
Also, how does Colin Campbell get off saying the suspension doesn’t involve his kid’s team, when the suspension will be served against his kid’s team? Transparency and clarity would go a long way towards establishing credibility, but it may be too late for the NHL at this point.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The suspension DOESN’T involve his team; AO can’t get suspended three more times for Florida to make up the 6 points out of 8th that they’re in right now.
"I know I was the best CIA agent the CIA ever had, but I thought I told you honkies from the CIA that Black Dynamite was out of the game!"
by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The Panthers would rather play the Caps without AO than the Caps with AO any day. They may still get stomped, but having AO isn’t going to make their odds better. This gives them an advantage in one game, and that may or may not end up being the difference for them. It most certainly does involve his kid’s team.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
We play Florida what, six, seven times a year?
Do we think this issue isn’t going to come up again?
It doesn’t matter whether Greg’s in the next game or two games from now, honestly. If Shanny’s handing out two games now or in November, we’re still back to the questionable nature of the punishment.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. The Florida angle doesn’t have me spun up in the least. I’m just saying this directly affects FLA as well.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, if it effects them like it did last time, I’m all for it.
"I know I was the best CIA agent the CIA ever had, but I thought I told you honkies from the CIA that Black Dynamite was out of the game!"
by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, every goal that someone not named Ovechkin scores is just more cap space getting sucked up. I guess if the guys we don’t have to re-sign do all the damage it’s cool.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your move, Scott Walker!
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact remains that it still does create the APPEARANCE of a conflict of interest. It’s already come up once this season, last time Ovechkin was suspended. It will continue to come up until Mr. Campbell steps down.
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It will be continue to come up by those who wish to perpetuate it for whatever reason they deem convenient, sure.
"I know I was the best CIA agent the CIA ever had, but I thought I told you honkies from the CIA that Black Dynamite was out of the game!"
by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, but in any other even marginally well run major corporation, this wouldn’t be allowed to happen.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
in any other even marginally well run major corporation, this wouldn’t be allowed to happen.
Hi, I’m Gary B. Maybe you’re familiar with my work?
"I know I was the best CIA agent the CIA ever had, but I thought I told you honkies from the CIA that Black Dynamite was out of the game!"
by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my point. In a process that is already opaque, is the appearance of a conflict of interests, however slight, really necessary?
To be clear, a two game suspension, taken outside the context of the previous suspensions doled out (or not doled out) struck me as appropriate. What bothers me is the process. The NHL wants to “set the precedent” but makes no distinction how this differs from any of the other similar plays, where there was as little as no call on the ice, or as many as a 4 game suspension doled out to the offending player. Nothing has changed in the eyes of the players, the boarding rule is just as vague as it was Saturday.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 16, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow even when expecting the league to do something quite stupid like this (both the fact the alex was suspended and the booth wasn’t even talked to) I am still highly annoyed. So annoyed to the point of having yet another migraine so time for me to take 6 aspirin and go to bed to forget about it til 6:30 tomorrow when I am reminded again.
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
I dunno
honestly, the league wide disagreement with the suspension is kind of making it worth it, imo.
We’re gonna slam Florida and Carolina, anyway.
I especially love the Babcock support.
Man, a sucky Monday at work, and then I come home to this super shitty news. I hate Mondays.
You had me at no problem.
by capsfaninculpeper on Mar 15, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
Me: Ovi got two games.
Fiancee who is very much a hockey rookie: What?! For pushing that guy?
Yea, that’s about how I feel….
I haven’t had time to browse the blogosphere today, so I’m asking you all. Is there really a lot of disagreement outside of Caps world about this suspension? If that were the case, you gotta wonder if this actually MIGHT influence some sort of change to Campbell’s awfulness.
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Let me see if I've got this straight...
This is a totally decent hockey play by a big, physical player.
But this is a dirty, filthy hit by a big, reckless player.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are all pretty horrible. . .especially considering that fact that they have plenty of space to avoid shelling the guy
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And two of the three did result in suspensions. But my point was just that you can throw an extremely dangerous hit anywhere on the ice. The difference is in the details of the danger, not necessarily the degree. That Dubinsky hit on Green is absolutely ridiculous. I still can’t believe that hit didn’t draw one iota of media attention or a league response. If I could have found the Slava Kozlov on Scott Gomez hit I would. That’s probably the worst non-Cooke/Richards hit I’ve seen all year.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I havent seen that one, but they may have it in the replays on NHL.com if u can find the game.
I agree, and the fact that you can throw such a hit requires players to be a bit more responsible when given the chance to plaster a guy. In those examples, those players showed their deplorable mindset when they chose to go through with those hits. I remember the hit by Dubi on Green pretty well, i was pretty much asking for Colin Campbell’s head for not doing anything about that.
Hopefully i will have my wish pretty soon
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Yeah, but the hittee’s position relative to the boards is HIS fault. You have that drilled into the instant you start playing contact hockey – be on the boards or be way off them. Don’t be in the danger zone.
Lucic leaves his feet and drills Seidenberg right into the boards from behind. And he’s lionized for it. Ovie pushes (not hits) Campbell from 1/2 behind and gets suspended.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
That doesn’t change that they are very different hits. The better comparison is the Adams hit on Ovi
Yeah, but I’d say Lucic’s hit was WORSE. He leaves his feet and hits him full-on from behind.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Agreed. Being up against the boards isn’t necessarily safer. There’s no exception that says you can hit a guy from behind if he’s facing the glass.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. My clavicle was broken in five places during a college game against the Terps by a guy who blatently boarded me in the numbers while I raced to clear a puck in the corner. He didn’t even get a penalty. So I’m a bit sensitive to boarding calls.
The Adams boarding, that deserved 2 mins., perhaps 5 mins., but more for interference than boarding. He’s not hitting Ovie—he’s pushing him while both guys are racing for the puck. There wasn’t really much separation between the players, so it’s not as if Adams really lined him up. Dirty? I’d say so. Reckless? A bit. But a blatant board? Not really. But we can agree to disagree on this.
The Ovechkin/Campbell hit? Probably a 5 min. major, due to the premeditation factor. Ovechkin had a good run at him, and intended to hit him the whole way. Campbell was always going to beat him to the puck, so the hit isn’t necessary—it’s just finishing the man. Mind you, I don’t have a problem with finishing checks—I encourage it. Just not when you should know better.
Completely agree with your assessment. Even though Ovie had a good run at him, i dont think he intended to flatten him, just push him, and finish the check.
One thing i do disagree with though, was the Adams boarding. It’s just something u dont do. You don’t push someone when you are that close to the boards like that. I think Adams wanted him into the boards, I dont think Ovie wanted Campbell into them.
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
Actually, I don’t think either Adams nor Ovie wanted their targets to topple head-first into the boards. It’s just that both guys were stupid and should’ve known better. That’s the difference between “intent to injure” and “recklessness.”
If there’s any mitigating circumstances with Adams, it’s that Adams’ shove was a bit further out from the boards and not as much impact, as evidenced by the fact that Ovie slid into the boards as opposed to “flew” into them the way most boarding occurs. But it was still dirty/stupid and deserved a penalty.
/agree.
BTW- I got boarded during a play-off game during my sophomore year in HS. . .was fighting for a puck pushed by a skate against the boards and someone took me out. Broke 2 ribs and my wrist. sucked real bad
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
Maybe if you guys spent more time dishing the hits out and less time receiving them you wouldn’t be such pansies about this whole situation.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Your scale of culpability strikes me oddly. I have reckless as less culpable than dirty, but that’s semantics. I think the Adams hit was worse just because there was never a moment, and there never potentially could have been one, where AO was in a legal checking position. Adams was chasing him the whole time and sent him head first to the boards.
AO definitely was going to hit Campbell, but knowing he’d lose the puck race is irrelevant to me. Finishing checks has value independent of the puck race. As D’ohboy has pointed out repeatedly, Campbell was a quarter-turn from being legal. He also wasn’t directly facing the boards. I guarantee he’s taken contact like that hundreds of times in his career. Normally he just plants his feet and glides it out, like Crosby is so great at doing. As BB pointed, Campbell is one of the best skaters in the league. If he doesn’t catch that right skate I don’t think we are having this discussion. But he did, and to a degree AO is at fault for that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hold on. The hittee’s position relative to the boards is not his fault when he’s playing a puck where Campbell was. Are you saying here that anyone who plays a puck ten feet from the boards heading into the corner is fair game from behind? There are a ton of defensemen I know who would argue with that. Are they just not supposed to play the puck there?
Bottom line: Don’t hit someone in Campbell’s position, kids. Similarly, don’t hit someone in Tucker or Bergeron’s positions in F&B’s linked videos. That’s why they put the “Stop” signs on youth jerseys these days.
Now the word “reckless” is inseparable from Ovi. Last night NHLOTF, tonight Versus. Can’t they come up with something original? Combative? Baleful?
Switch Gleason with Ovechkin and you get a Collision: 8 doesn’t duck out of hits (and he doesnt expect you to, either).
Switch Campbell with Ovechkin and you get a Joust, or a ‘brake-to pass’ move inside. That’s what the warning tap is for: Ovechkin expects checking to happen in that setting (and you should, too).
Brand him irresponsible if you care to: I think I’ll stick with ruthless (and Mean. And Nasty.)
Well Gleason’s hit wasn’t Ovechkin’s fault at all. He was lining him up for a good hit, Gleason ducked it, caught Ovie’s knee. I’ve seen players go for the knee while on the ice, hell someone tried to do it to me once, that is not the kind of situation or the kind of hit one uses to grab the knee.
Idk how u can not say he was irresonsible in that situation. If Campbell had kept his balance, 230 pounds of Ovechkin would have still gotten him down. And with that proximity to the boards, shit can go wrong in so many ways.
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The Gleason hit did much to mark Ovechkin as ‘irresponsible/reckless’. And he was suspended for it, in a
shit can go wrong in so many wayskind of way.
The hit on Campbell happens several times per game. As the refs apparently don’t have scales with them, it’s seldom called unless ‘shit’ goes ‘wrong’. As shit can go wrong on pretty much every check that counts as one, I wonder who you think of as “responsible”—certainly not that dastardly Brooks Laich, who dished much the same hit on Toews in the same contest.
There are so many variables that contribute to a hit that close to the boards, it is a players job to recognize some of them, and try to limit those that will negatively affect the situation. I don’t remember Laich’s hit so i couldnt tell you.
Ovie is often responsible, just not on that hit
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It was Kane, not Toews, but that’s exactly what I think about that hit. A little late, absolutely not necessary (unless you think punishing skill players and making them uncomfortable is a necessary part of the game) but Kane didn’t lose an edge. He went into the net but not even that hard and definitely wouldn’t be hard if he went all the way to the boards.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew I’d get the wrong Chi-Town Gun.
If Ovechkin had handed Campbell the full ride in that spot, I’d call it rotten and expect suspension. If he had bypassed him completely, I’d call him Flash. In between are the best games decided.
by redlineblue on Mar 15, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hysterical. I completely disagree with you on this one, too. This is the one misconduct this year I think he actually earned.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
I don’t think we should get in a Gleason debate; however, with the Gleason hit, Ovie really had no time to react, and in the frames before the hit, I think i see Ovie’s shoulder in a position rdy to hit Gleason, then Glea moves out of the way, and bam.
Campbell’s Ovie had time to react (which isnt rly the main element of the hit anyways)
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Way to suspend Ovie for a game against your son. What’s that? Two games against your son, Campbell?
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by Marshall Pirate on Mar 15, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Even the lesser informed masses get it. My husband heard my end of the discussion with dinasaur about it. Later on he asks, “so he got suspended? And the guy with the elbow didn’t? That’s dumb.” Not exact quotes, but the gist of it.
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by gfcaps fan on Mar 15, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
For full disclosure, we had already talked about it on the phone yesterday, so he was more informed than usual.
Sometimes, you really just want to hit a b**ch.
The biggest problem, IMO, with this suspension, the others like it, and the league itself is that they are consistently inconsistent. Ironically, the “NHL Wheel o’ Justice” doesn’t do the issue justice.
Either preserve hockey’s tradition of physicality and toughness and let the hit slide or decisively rewrite the rule book and crack down on hits like these league wide. a decision needs to be made.
by cameronMD on Mar 15, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Put me in the group that thinks the hit was a 2 minute minor. Unfortunate fall and resulting injury. I’d be fine with a 5 minute major but no game misconduct. Suspended for 2 games, considering all the other issues going on with head-shots/slew-footing doesn’t seem to jive for me. Didn’t add much to this discussion, but had to vent.
by kcfatts on Mar 15, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Has anyone noticed...
Craig Adams hit Ovechkin into the boards from behind and didn’t even get a penalty. If only we could get clips of both hits to compare…
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
There’s a million of them. That’s the main problem.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that was K_C’s point. if you’d read through the other comments, you’d have seen the adams hit a number of times.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Because ov got up. Why, well he’s one tough sob. But also because he wears appropriate protection on his head, shoulders and mouth…
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 16, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
FREE OV
does this mean we can continue the Free OV movement??
Well, the money from this:
Oh, and if you don’t want Alex freed, print out a copy and save it for later… something tells me you’ll need it at some point.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT FREE OVIE MEANS YOU SUPPORT HITS FROM BEHIND!
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by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This has all pretty much been completely covered. The NHL disciplinarian system is absolutely terrible, but I didn’t need any more proof to know that Campbell is a retarded howler monkey.
He is worse for the league than Bettman, if I had to choose one of them to remove through any means, it would be Campbell every time.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
I totally agree with the sentiment, but let’s lay off ‘retarded’. That’s been pretty well established as a no-go.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 15, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to not mind that moniker- until my cousin was born who is medically retarded. I then realized the sheer uncoolness of it all.
You may not mind it, and it does seem harmless, but to those of us with close relatives like that it kinda hits home. Just my 0.02, though.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Apologies to those that were offended.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No sweat. Most people aren’t even aware of the stigma; I certainly wasn’t.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m aware. I have friends that have had injuries to put them on that end of the spectrum, friends with family, and family myself. I am not unaware of the stigma. I just subscribe so heavily to not being PC, I find few things offensive and out of line. Sometimes I forget others don’t think the same thing.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So my question is this:
If Campbell gets pushed in the back, how does he hit the boards back first without having a lever underneath him? Something caused him to rotate and it wasn’t Ovechkin. That’s my first problem with suspending on the result — the result wasn’t entirely due to Ovechkin’s actions.
Second question: If the directions the two players in a collision are traveling is near orthogonal, how is that behind? Is behind dependent solely on torso direction, or is relative direction of motion a factor?
The rest of it has been explored in depth, I’ve got nothing beyond those questions.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 15, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Only thing I’ve got on the first one is that maybe he got torqued?
I got hit broadside in my car once and got spun around by the hit. That’s a possibility, but I didn’t see Ovi do anything to torque him around. Could have been direction of travel, and force = mass * acceleration that did it, but I’d expect a knee injury if he got torqued around badly enough to hit the boards back-first.
It looked to me more like he went shoulder first, though.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch the video, a bit after Ovechkin made contact Campbell’s right foot dug into the ice and caused him to careen into the boards.
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I wasn’t clear: that question was rhetorical. The second one was inquisitve.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 15, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
A hit not aligned with the center of mass of a body would result in non-zero angular momentum => body rotates (take a book and hit it not in a center).
I know (when I went to school the first time, I was a math/physics double), but Campbell actually rotates back into the direction of the shove.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 15, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
By quite a lot, but I’m not sure I follow.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I told my son that Oveckin was suspended for a major boarding penalty and showed him the replay. He is a second year bantam and he couldn’t believe that Ovechkin was suspended for the hit. In fact, the very words he uttered about the incident, completely unprompted, were “he (Campbell) caught an edge.” I think that there is a big difference of opinion on this depending on whether or not you play the game and understand how these events transpire. He didn’t think it was a big deal and that getting pushed near the boards happens all the time. For me, the frustration is with the absolute hypocrisy of the NHL’s (in)justice system. The whole point of supplemental punishment (i.e., suspensions) is to dissuade players from making patently bad choices…hitting players in vulnerable positions and intending to injure. There is just no way you can put Ovechkin’s push on Campbell in the same category as Richard’s hit on Booth, Cooke’s shoulder to Savard’s head, or Downie’s slewfoot of Crosby. No way…
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by Natty Bumppo on Mar 16, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
pfft
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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This sucks. Did not think a suspension was warranted at all in this case.
I did, however, want AO to get some rest down the stretch, so there’s my silver lining. It still sucks.
I have no idea how Steve Downie managed to avoid a suspension That was brutal.
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The way that Downie got off free is, unfortunately, easily explained. Campbell can’t understand normal thinking, and is terrible at his job. It’s as simple as that.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, I can’t eblieve I just read that many posts. NOt much to say that hasn’t been said.
In conclusion, I think Knuble’s words on the subject are the most significant for the players. Ovechkin, a young guy, needs a wise veteran presence to help him learn when he needs to reign it in. And he’s probably right; I’ve watched games and thought the Caps were playing too hard half way thorugh the third with a big lead. You don’t always need to plaster guys, and you don’t always need to lay a big hit. Not saying Ovechkin always does, but I am saying he needs to become more aware. No more “it was a game moment” comments. You gotta not draw negative karma, you know?
I don’t think he should have been suspended more than a game, (he needed a reminder, truthfully, campbell’s unfortunate rut or not), I think the rampant Ov hate is stupid, Colin Campbell is not good for the NHL, and I think that other players have done worse than ovechkin this year and HAVE NOT been penalized accordingly (Koci, Downie, Cooke, Richards, Havlat, et al). The league needs to reassess its system and get it together because, as it stands, its become a joke, but no one is laughing.
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 15, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
I'm glad
Ovi got suspended so in don’t have to read people bitching about how ovi is above the rules, etc.
Clearly the suspension was due to the extent of campbells injuries. Folks try to justify this as reasonable means for determining suspension worthy hits.
Here’s my issue with that. What kind of gear does Campbell wear? Full shoulder pads new helmet, mouthpiece? ( I don’t know myself, just asking) fact is, some players don’t take advantage of the modern equipment that can protect themselves from such injuries. Why should a player be punished because he hit a guy wearing 20 year old shoulder “pads” ( like erskine or brash) or an I’ll fitting out of date helmet and no mouthpiece? Ovi wears linebacker shoulderpads (which should be illegal) so he probably would get hurt on a hit like that ( in fact he didn’t on a similar hit vs the pens).
Until players are willing to accept some standards of protection (a la the NFL) then injuries should not come into play on determining supplemental disciplne for hits like ovi’s.
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