Monday Caps Clips: Windy City Comeback and Controversy
by J.P. on Mar 15, 2010 6:13 AM EDT
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on yesterday's win from us, the WaPo, Vogs, DCEx, Ed Frankovic, Peerless, OFB, Puck Daddy, FFODC, RtR, StC, A Capital Offense, Puckhead and RMNB.
- On Alex Ovechkin's hit on Brian Campbell and the ensuing s-storm. [Ovechkin himself (video), Peerless, ESPN, NBC (via D.C. Sports Bog), Puck Daddy (and again), LFP, PHT, FtR, FanHouse, Deadspin, Red and Black Hockey]
- Nicklas Backstrom continues to
increase his costamaze. [D.C. Landing Strip, D.C. Landing Strip, CapsBlog] - A broad overview of the Caps' cap situation going forward. [PHT]
- Oskar Osala: "I haven’t had much responsibility during the last few years - especially in special teams - and it might have even slowed my development. I think that this trade was a very good for my development." [Canes Country]
- By Max Talbot's logic, Max Talbot is a better player than Alex Ovechkin. [TBO]
- Don't forget "Ups and Downs" later this morning.
- Finally, happy 28th birthday to David Steckel, happy 29th to Tyler Sloan and happy 31st to J.-F. Fortin.
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On Alex Ovechkin's hit on Brian Campbell and the ensuing s-storm
This might end up like an arbitration and the “comparables.” Is the comparable “Matt Cooke?” Or is it “Ian Laperierre?”
If the former, I would think Ovechkin will escape a suspension. If the latter, well…
If you've read this far...seek help.
Reason #? for Fehr's limited ice time
…if the league decides the hit is illegal, then maybe injury should come into play. I think it’s fair that if you hit a guy [who is] in a bad position, that maybe you should pay for that."
Eric Fehr (Per Senior El-Bashir)
Love how early you post these, perfect compliment to a coffee and a ciggy in the morning.
The ensuing s-storm is pretty nutty, literally every blog/website has a take on it and the range of opinion is also pretty crazy (peerless, as always, masterfully demonstrated that).
On a positive side, that was a very re-assuring win yesterday, one that I felt we really needed to get especially because we don’t play them much. The team looks so much more mature and able this year. Ovi is the backbone of course but every player has been working real hard lately. Fehr, Knuble and Lars have been really impressing me lately. When we get these occasional defensive kinks ironed out we’ll be even more terrifying.
I’ve seen Semin take some dumb penalities in the past but the goalie interference yesterday was just shocking. Can’t remember the last time I was so worked up about a hockey play.
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 7:19 AM EDT reply actions
I would agree with you if the first 2 periods hadn’t been as awful as they were. Coming out entirely flat for two whole periods doesn’t scream maturity to me, and I’d say that’s reinforced by the fact that they flipped a switch and won the game. This team is going to have to dig deep in the final two weeks.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha right after I wrote that I knew that that would be brought up. While I definitely agree with you (nothing to disagree about) about yesterday, I do want to note that we were playing rather well (excluding that defensive miscommunication which directly lead to the PP goal against) until Ovi got tossed out of the game. I’m cutting them a break for being a little shook up after that. The positive for me was someone other than Ovi putting the team on their back and willing this team to victory. Nicky stood out more than others yesterday but Fehr, Theo, Laich and Knuble were just as awesome in the third. Obviously not the preffered method of winning games but yesterday was an anomaly for me because so far this season I feel we have matched all of the top teams in intensity and definitely skill (exluding that game in San Jose).
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d wish a happy birthday to Tyler Sloan, but he got his birthday present two months early.
"I know I was the best CIA agent the CIA ever had, but I thought I told you honkies from the CIA that Black Dynamite was out of the game!"
by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 7:27 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Morning already? good lord, this paper is not going very fast…
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Dang still writing that mini book of a paper?!?! I don’t think I could write 2-3 pages let alone 20.
Was fun hanging w/ you and your friend friday btw!
"the other day on sportscenter they said something along the lines of "the capitals score so much tiger woods is jealous" haha had me laughing hard while i was eating my cereal"
likewise!
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry you didn’t get a win, but I hope the seats were OK.
"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
oh they were great! thanks again
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
well it was her and her friends fault we didn’t win. Thanks. Thanks a lot. :)
"the other day on sportscenter they said something along the lines of "the capitals score so much tiger woods is jealous" haha had me laughing hard while i was eating my cereal"
It’s true, she and I are 0-2-1 for games we’ve got to together this season…our 10 year friendship is officially over
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
In grad school, 20 pages is pretty standard.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And it pales in comparison to what I"m going to have to churn out by June.
Every time the Swedish Swashbuckler scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Thesis?
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
don’t remind me
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got one of thems to do next year after orals. I’m actually kind of excited.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The trick with thesis is to pick a topic that interests you/you enjoy working on. If you can do that the work may not be enjoyable, per se, but it’s better than any class because you are learning what you want to learn, and writing about what you want to write about.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 15, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And see that’s why I WAS excited…when I was all geared up for 6 months abroad on a tropical island. Now that I’m back and have a mound of interviews to sift through and transcribe and analyze, not so much. Regardless of how awesome your topic is, the process is still tedious as hell.
Every time the Swedish Swashbuckler scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, though after 6 months on a tropical island I would imagine just about anything school related would seem tedious as hell eh?
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 15, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
haha yes, just a tad
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The interviewing is what kept me from a journalizm degree. I cannot stand doing interviews.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
True story. I have no idea how I managed to churn out 50 pages for my senior capstone project. The subject was interesting though, so that helped.
#NeedsMoreBradley
I did 85 pages for my senior honors thesis. On top of a final 40 page paper in one course and 30 pager in another. I wanted to kill myself by the time graduation came around.
I have a C on my heart.
This is all very OT, but I only point it out because my OT-ish thread is getting complained about.
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haha. I’m starting to enjoy playing the role.
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haha. i’m trying to write a 5 page essay and its not working so well either. easily distracted by caps clips.
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, 5 pages? That’s like 10 minutes on the computer after 4 years of 10+. What’s yours?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
ethics analysis. supposedly making my thesis easier to write next month.
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
thats pretty much what i’m taking right now. its really “engineering ethics,” but same concept really. personally, i think they should do away with the social portion of the thesis and just leave the technical part. i kinda hate writing about made-up social and ethical theories and frameworks.
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw flash cards for that topic at Barnes and Noble the other day. Did you know that you’re never supposed to cut your food into more pieces than you’re going to eat in a single bite?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I swear it was business ethics. There was a whole eating part.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
ethics = should I advertise smokes to minors?
ettiquette = which fork do I use first at dinner?
#NeedsMoreBradley
It had both. I swear to all that is holy, it was the funniest set of flash cards I ever did see.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
okay….so maybe “business ethics” and “engineering ethics” really are different
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
C’mon – perfect subject matter for the Off-Topic Open Thread!
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Sorry, wasn’t expecting it to turn into the ridiculous string of comments that it did. Blame it on the sleep deprivation… :(
Every time the Swedish Swashbuckler scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Downie on Sid...
Slewfoot? Not a slewfoot?
Considering the former’s history, I gotta lean towards “slewfoot”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions
No question, definitely a slew foot. He might have gotten a little more than he bargained for but it was a slew.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That looked like a REALLY ugly play, and IMO, a lot worse than what Ovechkin did to Campbell.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
No question about it. The results were not as bad, but definitely a worse play. Looked like Crosby could have very easily been on the bad end of a leg injury with how he and Downie went down all twisted together.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Awful...
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
OMG Sid’s lucky he didn’t rip his knee apart in that fall. Completely unacceptable on Downie’s part.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That also happened less than a MINUTE into the game. 35 seconds in.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
It looks even worse when they show it slow motion. How Sid didn’t hurt himself I will never know.
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…once I looked at a few replays, it appears that Downie puts his leg behind Sid’s knee, and then almost tries to bend his knee back over his leg.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Everything looks worse in slow motion.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely but this is just painful to watch. Very very dirty play, haven’t seen anything quiet like it before.
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That photo looks almost identical to his goal celebration from the gold medal game
by Brainumbc on Mar 15, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Completely unacceptable on Downie’s part.
You can say this about something Downie does about once per period.
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Once every 30 days?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The amazing thing is that he’s become a much more disciplined player this year and has some solid point totals — much better than I ever thought he’d get.
But , like Cooke or Avery or whomever, these guys can’t seem to stop playing dirty.
Yeah. I think it’s wiring. I have been real impressed with Downie’s ability to be a hockey player (he’s still no TJ Oshie) but I think he’ll always have that borderline-insane thing going on.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Slewfoots are dangerous on their own, but whatever the hell piss-poor slewfoot attempt Downie did looked like he was hellbent to blow out Crosby’s knee. Looks like all he did was tweak it, fortunately. I’m going to be rather upset if Downie isn’t tossed for at least a few games.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
My attempt
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by jordanDC on Mar 15, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Take these to the OT thread please, or make a FanShot. Thanks.
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But it’s relevant to hockey.
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Yes, but posting the same pic over and over (even with the subject line) is gonna gum up the thread.
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Photoshop phanposts?
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. Just me.
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(Not just you.)
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a rebel.
Suck on that, brainumbc
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by jordanDC on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
FTW
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
While I despise Crosby, the hockey fan [and the human] in me would be crushed if the Pens lost him just before the playoffs. Downie is a scumbag. Maybe Ovi and Sid can bond over their Downie stories.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s already fucked up a ref’s life. How long until he kills a guy on the ice?
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He’ll get banned from the league before he kills someone.
I’m thinking broken neck or massive brain damage from some dirty hit. Something along those lines.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Good thing you had a subject line. I agree with the Pens homer announcers—don’t want to see that again.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Very much a slew-foot, by the definition:
52.1 Slew-footing – Slew-footing is the act of a player using his leg or foot to knock or kick an opponent’s feet from under him, or pushes [sic] an opponent’s upper body backward with an arm or elbow, and at the same time with a forward motion of his leg, knocks or kicks the opponent’s feet from under him, causing him to fall violently to the ice.
Of course, when I first saw Crosby throw his head back, it looked a bit like a dive, but then I saw the other view… daaaaaaamn. I don’t like Crosby, but that was a viciously nasty hit, and Downie hooked his leg out to do it, too.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It might just be me and my lack of sleep, but that TBO article on Crosby is quite possibly the most disjointed thing I’ve ever read. Reporter Ira Kaufman apparently did not learn how to form coherant thoughts in journalism school.
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i think i am changing my opinion after sleeping on it. it was an unnecessary and dangerous push. it WAS from behind. and i am not surprised. i dont know what is wrong with Ovie this year but it is too many times. he should be suspended, as unpopular as this will be. more importantly, ovie needs to stop. he is putting a target on himself and ostensibly on the Capitals. We just do not need this type of play. It was not an accident. Cooke should have gotten 10 games, and i once again disagree with Milbury—-which, once he spoke you all should have known he was wrong— he just picks out the unpopular stupid opinion and sticks with it to stir up controversy, or he is trying to kiss our ass here in DC after his little run in with the blogger. Sorry but i say 4 games. Regardless of intent, he did not need to push. Now how the hell Koci did not get 4 games on Green , i have no idea….
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions
Campbell was losing his edge while being pushed. It was an unfortunate accident. That push happens multiple times a game.
The distance from the boards didn’t help either – closer or further, and it wouldn’t have been nearly as bad. Unfortunate, for sure.
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exactly kello. the rule book says 4-5 feet from the boards where they players head ends up hitting the boards with a check from behind. you dont get concussions from hitting your shoulder into the boards.. 10 feet away is being generous. I dont think he was quite that far away. Ovie did not push the guy 10 feet away. JUST LET UP in that situation and skate around the net. Bad for Ovie , Bad for Campbell, Bad for the Caps, Bad for the fans—both ours and those coming out to see Ovie in Chicago, bad for NBC to have him ejected, and that all equals BAD FOR THE NHL when they are on display nationally. Nothing at all good came from this. You just can’t give him the benefit of the doubt every single time. No one besides Caps fans have doubt anymore. And now it is just going to get worse and worse. He won’t be able to sneeze on the ice without 2 minutes for unsportsmanlike conduct..
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not worried due to the simple fact that he’s a smart guy. He’s a joker which leads people to underestimate his intelligence. I hear you on the “it wasn’t a good game for the nhl” but that’s not his/mine biggest concern. Also, I really don’t care what fans of other teams think of him, it seems like 85% people posting on message boards are trolls anyways. I do give him the benefit of the doubt every time because I don’t think he’s dirty at all, not even a little bit. I have confidence that if he starts getting penalized for sneezing on the ice, he will adjust accordingly. I’m kind of shocked at how disproportionate people’s reaction to the actual play is.
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The push started at the red line that crosses the goal. Isn’t that 10 feet from the boards?
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I think there was something wrong right before Ovi got suspended, he didn’t seem himself. However, he’s been nothing short of incredible since being made captain, I haven’t noticed one even slightly questionable play since then. I especially liked how he had Nicky’s back two games ago (I believe). What happened yesterday was not part of some pattern that he’s been creating lately. In my eyes it was more of a unfortunate freak accident and nothing more. Keep doing you, Ovi.
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
you know what i was noticing that EXACT same thing, and never said a word , but everytime you see him, he seems depressed. im not a doctor, but he has not seemed happy since before the olympic break… something is up. as far as he goes however, i am just concerned for him, and selfishly for the Caps and Ted, because i have 7 incidents now that have occurred with him and most are within the last year or so.. and you guys will probably remember more. We have Heward, Briere, Kaleta, Gonchar, Gleason, the slew foot that he was penalized for, and now this. All I care is that it stops. When you are in the middle of this many controversial plays, at some point YOU are the problem. They are not picking on him because of him being a Capital. No one is picking on Nicky. If losing the scoring title and a few personal trophies and some more cash will make Ovie a kindler gentler player, and eventually a Cup winner, then there is no better time than now to suspend him. The Caps will be fine for 4-5 games. This talk about “wanting what they have—the puck”, is just not an excuse anymore. All 10 guys on the ice want the puck. Just be responsible. IF Campbell is my kid, or im a HAWK fan, im pissed off today. And if that is Nicky or Green out for the year, im pissed off today. And if CC does not start cleaning up this game, its going to be head hunting and bounty hunting season. Cooke 10 games, Ovie 4, and the next time 10 for Ovie. If Ovie does not change his play now, he wont be anywhere near is good in a few years, so you guys should start rooting for someone to reign him in as well.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s my opinion.
1) If Ovie doesn’t play full-speed with 100% intensity, he’s much much less of a player and not even close to top-tier. period. His hustle, grit, hitting and drive are what make him so special. Hoping that he changes his play wouldn’t be good for anyone.
2) I’m pretty sure if campbell was hit (pushed) squarely from behind, his face would’ve been the first thing to hit the boards… not his shoulder.
3) you can’t suspend Ovie for 4 games if you don’t suspend cooke. well, then again, you can… the NHL has zero consistency in their enforcement to clean up the game, so comparing any hit to any other hit is pointless and can bring you to no conclusion.
4) I bring up Alan May’s comments from a few weeks ago, I feel it comes into play here. I’m not advocating it would have definitely made a huge difference here, but personally, I feel that in this situation… the players have to learn to protect themselves. With all of the new rules for protecting players from headshots and whatnot, they’ve begin to let not respect themselves as much as anyone else.
i have to disagree on all 4 points. ovie would have been just as good of a player yesterday if he did not push Campbell, not much much less if he does not play that way. Campbell was not hit from the side, i have seen a blown up image from directly behind the play, a different angle than NBC had, it was virtually squarely on the numbers, 3, you can suspend Ovie for 4 games because the NHL has been morons for years,and have no clue what they are doing—-maybe Colin Campbell is not the man for this job?? And 4, Campbell could not protect himself, Ovie is huge. By the definition of boarding, Ovie plain and simple has to let up at that spot on the ice. IF he makes that hit at center ice, its nothing. But thats where he needs to think before he acts. IF Campbell is up against the boards already, im agreeing with you. Plain and simple, i want to avoid something bigger coming down the road, and i FEEL like it IS coming and within a year or 2, we are going to come back to this day and this is going to be just part of the pattern to someone really really getting hurt bad. I just want this nonsense gone from the game. I think Ovie is a good guy but he IS too reckless. I cant keep defending him as the chart of players injured keeps getting longer, and many of these injuries would have been avoided by just pulling up a bit.. Its not good for hockey if Campbell is out for the year..
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
, i have seen a blown up image from directly behind the play
That sounds like a horrible angle on it.
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scroll down the page to the picture i am referring to...you decide
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
All I see is the youtube video.
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give it a second to load, its at the bottom but it loads slowly..it will come up
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, but that makes it look like they were bothing going full-bore into the end boards. They were turning towards the behind-the-net area. Ovi’s push should have just sent Campbell on through, or at worst made him go shoulder-to-glass once they came out of the turn.
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its like i said, if semin pushes him, he doesnt go down. So is that ovies fault? Should he be aware of his own strength? Should he be penalized for being that strong and does he have an obligation to know what will happen BECAUSE he is so strong?? Logic says he should not, but if the end goal is safety and respect for players, he should be at least more cautious along the boards. That is where alot of incidents are occurring..
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t go down if he doesn’t catch that rut is what it boils down to. Ovie pushed him, and pushed him low, so it shouldn’t have sent him off balance much.
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by jordanDC on Mar 15, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree. That same exact play happened multiple times in the game to and from ShaMo, and one particularly nasty one against Sasha, when he got pushed from behind and his feet gave out. He hit the boards harder than Campbell did, but he got right up.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, watching that replay again and again, I’m still confused as to how Campbell sustained the number and severity of injuries he did. Avian Bone Syndrome?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
And you’ve pin pointed the reason you can’t penalize for injuries. It’s ridiculous that they have the bloody nose double-minor, you can see guys scratching their face to draw a penalty.
What next, throw out a guy with osteoperosis in front of Ovie or Crosby to have the game changers out of the game because you shattered a guy that shouldn’t have been playing? Not saying campbell shouldn’t have been playing, but if he’d landed differently he wouldn’t have been injured at all or he could have been paralyzed. Just like if that puck hadn’t hit Lecavlier’s elbow the lightning wouldn’t have won two nights ago. it’s a bad bounce.
It was a bad hit, but made to look much much worse by the fall and after effects.
by snowburnt on Mar 15, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its not 10 feet, and its not “from the side” at the very least…mostly from the back, and probably SLIGHTLY from the side, but distance is 6-7 feet at most. how far is the goal line from the boards anyway??
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
10 feet.
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by highslot84 on Mar 15, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From the goal line to the boards is in fact 10 feet.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
well he was clearly past the blue line, so he is in that 4-5 foot range or closely approaching it with his follow through…anyway, bottom line is the health and safety of players. we would all be in mourning right now if Cooke did this to Ovie in DC next week and he is done for the year, so i am trying to be objective. Seems like a time-out may be in order and some better judgment moving forward..
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You keep saying 4-5 feet. The video clearly shows that Ovie began pushing him before they reach the goal line, which is about 11ft. This means it’s not 4-5 feet.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
i just went back and rewatched it in slow motion. he put his hands on his back at 11 feet. he then kept them on his back, followed through with the push and let go of him at about 4 feet…so that is what i mean. he did not just give a push at 11 feet and let go.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
And in real-time, all that happened in like .010 seconds.
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the fact that there is so much debate means that it is hard to know what the right answer is or what to do. Imagine Campbell’s (Colin) job now. When you don’t have a clear cut answer you have to look at character and past performance. This won’t go in Ovie’s favor. We said Gonchar was bs, we said Gleason was bs. We keep defending and we have to KEEP defending. Are you saying he could not have done ANYTHING differently? Nick Backstrom will never make that exact same play. I was pissed when Koci did it to Green, and he got nothing, and i thought that was worse than this. I think the league is a joke, the front office anyway. I really hope you would feel the exact same way if this was one of our players. It was an unneeded and preventable play because there was a final thrust and a push off into the boards. I have watched it 20 times and he pushes off and down at the end. He has no shot in that instant to protect or brace himself..
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
He has no shot to protect or brace himself because he caught a rut, not because there was a guy on him.
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hard to say what would have happened without the skate getting caught. who knows , maybe the force of the hit caused that…?? i dont know. he just always seems to be the guy with the quizzical “who me?” look on his face. we cant just protect alex, we have to protect everyone. if this is first time incident, i defend him. based on body of work, and some other brutal plays, he is starting to really cast doubt on himself, and the doubt is growing.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
If his skate doesn’t get caught, he’s pushed along behind the net and goes shoulder-to-glass ahead of Ovechkin and out the other side.
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We’ve seen the same play hundreds of times in our lives as hockey fans.
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Agree with jordanDC here, it happens a lot. Now, this was different I think in Campbell’s position (body and relative to boards) was not ideal at all and his balance was a little off, but still, Ovie’s made that play hundreds of times in his career.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
So have tons of defensemen when chasing a forward behind the net. Look for it in a game and you’ll see it.
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Basically, if the play goes off as Ovechkin intended, the worst he gets is two for interference.
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Bingo. No intent to injure there.
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But guys Ovie is so dirty!
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“Who me?” You are confusing Ovie with Sasha.
Ovie is usually well aware and excepting when a penalty is called on him.
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by oldemystix on Mar 15, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure I believe the rut theory, but I do beleive he wasn’t 100% balanced. It seems to me like he was bracing for the hit and lost balance, then was hit.
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
From the video I was watching, though I could import it into my video editing software to find out precisely the time i’m just to lazy to do so, Campbell dished the puck at 0:05, Ovechkin hits him at 0:06. Campbell is on the ice after hitting the boards at 0:07
Its not a late hit, hitting a guy less than 1 second after he had the puck is not a late hit, its finishing the forecheck.
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
I feel for Campbell and ‘Hawks fans, but Jordan is right. If Campbell doesn’t catch an edge it’s a non-issue. Adams hit AO like that, Callahan boarded Green from behind, this stuff happens. Unfortunately Campbell didn’t get up and the refs overreacted. I just hope the NHL doesn’t do the same.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s less about the edge and more about the timing of it. One half-second more and Campbell is a couple feet closer to the boards and is turned perpendicular to Ovie. Instead of falling awkwardly, he gets hit shoulder-first into the boards and gets back up. His right skate catching the rut didn’t help, but I don’t think it was the primary cause.
Either way, it’s a hockey play gone wrong.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Yeah I agree, the timing was all FUBAR. But I think the skate played a huge role. I look at the Laich on Kane hit just a little later; Kane stayed on his feet and just went into the net. If Campbell doesn’t toe pick I think he just glides to the boards and absorbs the impact like he’s done a million times before in his hockey career.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Ice Diagram
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
The bigger picture here is that generally if Ovi doesn’t play like Ovi he doesn’t create all of those opportunities to shoot the puck for himself and his teammates. I also completely agree that the qualities you have listed Scofield, those are the qualities that make Ovi the player he is. You can’t have it both ways, either he plays physically or he doesn’t. I feel there is nothing that he can eliminate from his game to be less reckless because I refuse to believe that he has a dirty bone in his body. If none of them were intentional, what can he eliminate?
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just for the sake of argument i’ve added a 5th point…
5) Water is wet
just wanna see if we agree on anything :-) Ha!
I do see where you’re coming from, clean hit or not / injury or not, I hate to see any player go into the boards awkwardly. That being said… either the guy just wasn’t protecting himself or Ovie is super-human, hit him in the back and willed him into a full barrel roll so that his shoulder hits the boards first. The same play happens numerous times per game where the two guys bump into each other and both continue, on their feet, around the net.
wait… you agreed with me on number 3 as well … partially :-) the NHL needs to get their s#it straight. Campbell needs to be removed. Promote Pierre Champoux!
i agree on number 5——-unless, wait , wait a second, is it WET if it is frozen? and is it still technically water at that point??? hmmmm
Ovie is super human, though. And unfortunately for everyone else, and probably himself, that is what is causing injuries. So that begs the question, “Should he take his own size/strength into account before he hits someone?” I guess not. That Jagr hit in Vancouver was monster and Jagr is not little and he is strong. All Russian Machines must not hit so hard, the weaker humans cannot handle it.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
is it still technically water at that point???
Nope, it’s a rock. Duh.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t everyone learn in about 2nd grade that water has 3 states and ice is “solid” water state?
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by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Should he take his own size/strength into account before he hits someone?" I guess not.
Maybe, but on the flipside, should he be lambasted because his hits are harder due to size/strength?
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 15, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Very similar to the debate about 10 years ago with Shaquille O’Neal getting called everytime he leaned on a player. He was so much bigger, they couldn’t help but fall over (and Shaq got penalized for it).
"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
But was he suspended? Or called a dirty player? Also, basketball is not a contact sport, so not quite the same.
Not enough of a football fan to come up with a good analogy to any player there though.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 15, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Would Ray Lewis be a good football comparison to Ovi?
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 15, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah. Troy Polamalu.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
…I hope not.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Boo to this comment.
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesn’t help that Shaq’s arm pits are a nose-height on most players, either.
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When you are in the middle of this many controversial plays, at some point YOU are the problem.
I normally agree with that, but it is so overblown with AO. Kaleta was 2 minutes at worst; Kaleta is the reason that was a dangerous hit, not AO. Gooch was an accident. Briere and Gleason are the two hits I don’t like. I don’t like the optics of the Heward hit, but when both Heward and Tocchet came out in AO’s defense that says a lot. When I watch AO go out hitting I think the same think I think when I watch Dustin Brown and Ryan Callahan: I fucking love it. But he’s better than both of them, and gets more ice, and is significantly bigger than Callahan. All three guys hit anything that moves, and I’ve seen all three guys cross the line. The problem is AO has a hater entourage that latches on to every one of his bad hits, while nobody gives a fuck about Brown and Callahan because they just aren’t as good or high profile. It comes with the territory, and I don’t mind that AO plays like that. He’s not the first NHL player to do it, he won’t be the last, and if he was a Canadian boy he’s be completely lionized for his physical edge.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Do Canadians hate players like Howe? Or Messier?
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin always seems remorseful when he blasts a guy from behind, at least. Not worth much, but you can’t say the same for everybody.
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Yeah. And if Campbell doesn’t catch some bad ice we aren’t talking about anything. This certainly isn’t as bad as Adams on Ovechkin from earlier this year or Callahan on Green from last playoffs. But our guys got up, so no big deal.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin seems remorseful, whereas Crosby rolls over for a cigarette.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pretty sure Mario doesn’t allow smoking…
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
fair points. im actually more concerned FOR ovie at this point. and for us. we dont need to see ovie get himself in trouble in april and this season go down the toilet. let the nhl send a message now, it can ONLY help. i want to win the cup
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
F&B, the voice of reason
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Stop it girls, I’m blushing.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to keep your ego in check, I disagree with everything you said. Take that.
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh, it’s on like Donkey Kong
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s cute… Laichitor wants to play with the big boys.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He has to re-learn to skate, first.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Or drink a car bomb like a man.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I pub crawled this weekend. Did two carbombs like a champ. Also “acquired” the cool glass that it came in.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
what a BAMF!
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice. What was the logo on it? Acquiring pint glasses is one of my favorite past times. Unfortunately, a lot of them have since been acquired by my dad.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It had a Sam Adams logo. The bottom has a basketball shape carved into it and the glass is tinted orange. It looks really cool when you look down on it from the top of the glass. The only downside is that it looks like there is still beer in it even if there is not.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I know the exact glass. My buddy has a set of 6 of those.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I have other intangibles. Like my friendly smile.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Intangibles don’t count for a whole lot.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
To call LIOLI one-dimensional would mislead the reader by implying there is an area of his game that is particularly strong.
/self degradation.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
/self degrecdation.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys are mean for making this green.
"We are such fans of your music and all of your records. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are not the Tomas Fleischmann of the Rink Rats?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is AO has a hater entourage that latches on to every one of his bad hits
Not only that, but they latch on to his good hits too and declare them dirty. That’s is why there seems to be a “pattern.” The pattern is a fallacy.
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Craig Adams exact same hit:
Sorry to be a descending opinion but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkQKBGAQExQ
Exact same hit that Ovechkin did. It is a dangerous play, but both are accidents. Hockey is played very fast, players make decisions in moments, you don’t always get to say “oh hes falling I shouldn’t hit him.” Its disappointing that Campbell is hurt but its no reason to go head hunting on Ovechkin.
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
oops disregaurd the “descending opinion” part I copy and pasted from a different thread. :P
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
Should we disregard the disregaurd too? :P
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
my view is the craig adams hit should’ve been a boarding penalty, and the AO hit should’ve been a boarding penalty. taking it to the next level and calling for a suspension seems overboard, especially when AO’s already served a game on the bench at this point via the misconduct.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i dont know what is wrong with Ovie this year but it is too many times
I’d like to think this is just a byproduct of him trying to be a more physical players while “stepping back” and letting his teammates flourish and have career years but…
But that wouldn’t be entirely accurate. Look at his avg # of hits per game throughoutn the years:
05/06: 2.12
06/07: 2.24
07/08: 2.68
08/09: 3.07
09/10: 2.67
He’s definately been taking it up a notch , season after season. 2.67 hits a game is a descent enough pace to put him in the top 20 or top 10 in hits for 82 games… but it doesn’t seem anything out of the ordinary for him when you compare the last 2 seasons.
He’s also stronger this year, so when he hits there is more force.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh I should put his weight into these stats.. although I’m not really sure there’s a place that keeps track of that information from year to year like other stats
Weight ≠ Strength
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
But the weight AO is putting on does.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of it muscle, with a side or two of nachos.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
I think weight might have some correlation to penalties. The bigger you are, the more the other guy is going to feel the pain… and the more of a show the “victim” puts on… might be likelier the ref calls it
I mean… if Campbell had gotten up after a few seconds… Do you really think they would have tossed Ovie out?
I popped right up when I broke my collar bone like that.. realized I was hurt on the bench. Maybe he broke his more dramatically or something, but..
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Or maybe you are just way tougher than Campbell.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe Campbell just needed to stay down so he could smile at his trainer when he got to him.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The fig newton is the best confection ever named for a scientist.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Fig newtons are weird and not that delicious.
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false, they are quite delicious. some of the flavored ones are good too.
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You disgust me.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Fig Newtons are gross. It’s like dessert for old people.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the best confection ever named for a scientist.
Are you disagreeing with me? What else is there?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I can eat like maybe one of those at a time, and that’s saying something coming from a fatass like myself.
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
How can people so uniformly come out against Fig Newtons? Have you tried the Strawberry flavor? I can crush a whole sleeve of those in one sitting.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Mar 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but the A in that equation is almost entirely a function of strength which does not have a 1:1 correlation with mass.
In this case, the reason Campbell got smeared into the boards was more a function of the differential in their velocities, and less a function of their masses.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
More stats on Ovi regarding penalties:
Avg PIM’s per game:
05/06: 0.64
06/07: 0.63
07/08: 0.48
08/09: 0.91
09/10: 1.32
So 07/08 he picked up his hitting pace big time and yet his pim’s per game plummeted. Then the season where he took his hits up to a new level, his pim’s per game definately shot up as well.
This season.. hard to draw any conclusions. But one could argue that he was just on the radar more so he had a bigger target on his back. Another could argue that he’s been trying to replicate his 07/08 season too hard. I dunno. I think I’ll collect a little more detailed data about minors/majors, etc and draw a graph. Maybe we’ll see a trend.
He has 3 game misconducts to inflate that.
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yep
Usually accompanied with a major, so essentially 15
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah with the 5 it’s at least 15 minutes per.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Game misconducts are counted as 10 minutes when counting PIMs.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there any way to tell what types of PIMs those are? Are they the Sasha variety (stick penalties) or the roughing variety?
Here’s the best I can do. I’m not sure where to get the exact type of penalties sum’d up. Hockey-reference is kinda of hard to navigate but:
minor major
05/06: 26 0
06/07: 16 2
07/08: 20 0
08/09: 35 0
09/10: 18 3
So toss out majors and we get this
minor penalties per game
05/06: .320
06/07: .195
07/08: .244
08/09: .443
09/10: .295
So there are other stats this year that indicate that his “carelessness” hasn’t been anything out of the ordinary this year and has been in alignment with the rest of his trends.
Maybe it would help if I could get a league average for some of this stuff to see if maybe the refs have just been a bit more zealous this year in trying to protect players
I did a quick check back through the game logs, here’s what he’s gotten so far this year:
Rough/hitting penalties
Boarding (5PIM) – 2
Kneeing (5PIM) – 1
Game Misconduct (10PIM) – 3
Roughing (2PIM) – 5
Unsportsman like Conduct (2PIM) – 1
Crosschecking (2PIM) – 1
Tripping (2PIM) – 2
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Stick/position penalties
Interference (2PIM) – 3
Hooking (2PIM) – 3
Slashing (2PIM) – 2
Diving (2PIM) – 1
So again.. nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to the 3 “questionable” calls. So is there something wrong with the refs this year? Or is Ovie really just playing it a little too lose?
The only thing is how do these numbers compare to previous years, too bad no one seems to keep stats like this (I had to check each gamelog on Yahoo).
Well .. I mean.. the frequency of minor penalties is nothing out of the ordinary. I’m just trying to see if there are any stats that could show whether or not Ovi really is being more wreckless. I haven’t found any.
For some time I’ve been trying to find an easy way (other than going through game by game) to assemble the types of penalties and WHEN during the game they occurred and what the score was at the time to come up with a post about “whuch Russian takes the dumbest penalties, Malkin, Semin, or Ovie”.. dumb being weighed a lot by how late in the game, how far behind (or just barely above) your opponent you are in scoring.
I’ll probably wait until the end of the season for it though.
NHL hit stats are about as reliable as the weather. I would but zero stock in that stat as evidenced by the fact that the home team always has more credited hits.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 15, 2010 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My first reaction was come on Ovi what are you doing? As I have watched it over and over again I noticed 1. he pushed Campbell..originally I thought he put his shoulder into him. 2. I noticed the size difference between the Ovi and Campbell 3. Campbells right skate hit a rut and went underneath of him…
I think it was an unfortunate ending and I do no see ANY malicious intent. They were both skating at a very high speed and I dont think campbell knew Ovi was that close to him. Ovi put his elbow in his back but pushed off with his hands one on the shoulder blade and the other in his armpit. I think if Campbell was aware of where Ovi was this would not have happened.
Ovi gave him a nice warning stick tap on the side of the leg which let him know EXACTLY where he was.
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Great catch. That should not be ignored. Whether it was a swat for the puck or a warning, it doesn’t matter. Campbell knew exactly where AO was.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Lars, keeping some mighty shady company here
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You know it.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Common knowledge.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well as we found out this past summer, Ovie likes to “score” before, during, and after games.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 15, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
News flash..
So do most 24-year-old males.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I said eight. Green and Fehr to add to the 6 they currently have.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Fehr scored yesterday. BB will scratch him. Since the trade deadline, Fehr has 3G 1A and is +4. I think only Green and Backstrom have been more productive. But doesn’t it seem like Fehr is battling from a much deeper hole than everyone else?
I don’t think he’s going to get scratched, and I don’t think he’s battling from in a hole just because he was scratched already. Like half the team has been a scratch recently, including Boudreau’s boy Flash.
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They’re trying to sort out what lineup to run in the playoffs, and what goaltender they’re going to use. Its gonna be a mess figuring out what’s going on until they finally settle on something. What’s the timetable on that? Last 10 games? Last 5 games?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly enough, AO made himself into a healthy scratch last night.
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You think he’s out Tuesday against Flo Rida?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t know, but the signs are shading more towards “no”, I think.
But AO played less than 5 minutes yesterday, and then Bruce got to try new lines. I think the Rink consensus was that if AO is out, he should have Chimera at 1L, but will of course go with Flash instead. And BMo would get a sweater again.
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I’d guess last 10ish. Pittsburgh is next Wednesday, after (presumably) an off day and two practices. If not, they’ve got two days after the Carolina game the next day.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Only getting 12 shifts yesterday with the way 16’s been playing is sorta like battling from a hole.
by mechanicsville on Mar 15, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
How much of the game were the Caps on a PK, which he doesn’t participate in?
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Not enough to keep Fehr under 10 minutes with AO out of the lineup.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I almost wish sometimes Fehr would get traded to a place where they would actually appreciate him.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Then what would I do about my name?!?!?!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
His TOI still befuddles me, but the fact that he didn’t get traded this time around makes me think someone on the Caps must appreciate him. 20 goals by the end of the week!
by mechanicsville on Mar 15, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure. They can send Backes back our way…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone noted yesterday that Fehr served AO’s five minute major yesterday, which really cut into his ice time. It was also fairly symbolic of Fehr’s relationship with Coach.
And I pointed out that Fehr’s goals, more often than not, come at clutch moments and make important momentum changes for the team.. They are not usually the game winning goals, but the goals that allow the team to make the comeback.
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Yeah well Fehr has said that he scores big goals. I think it might be part of the reason BB doesn’t like him (that he said it, not that he does it).
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would he hate someone for saying that?
I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!
Arrogance, particularly on the part of young players, is not smiled upon in hockey.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
So does BB still love Flash after his smart-assed remark following his scoring the OT winner last week. Paraphrasing, “lesson for the coach: don’t bench me?”
Did he actually say that? I thought that was just a comment by TEB…
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
I could be wrong, but I thought Rink posters indicated they’d heard Flash say that in post-game interviews. Maybe responding to a leading question from TEB/others, but still…
He said, " A little message: Don’t sit me out!" and he was laughing as he said it. It was clearly a joke, a light hearted comment. I suppose you could view it as smart-assed, but I’m a member of the Flash lobby so I didn’t see it that way. All the guys who are getting rotated in and out of the lineup are having to prove that they should be on the ice for any given game.
You had me at "no problem"!
What's the exchange rate on a Cup victory?
That’s what I want to know from anyone that likes to throw out the “he has more championships” argument in any sport. Sure, only an idiot would suggest that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino, or that Max Talbot is better than Alex Ovechkin. But those examples don’t exactly spur discussion. How about Dan Marino or Terry Bradshaw? Larry Robinson or Bobby Orr? Mark Messier or Wayne Gretzky? There’s simply no way to translate team success to individual success. Talbot not only uses that hack argument, but he apparently is a soothsayer as well. Who the hell knows if AO or Crosby is going to end up with more Cups? And does it really matter? Rocket Richard and Jean Beliveau were amazing players, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone seriously argue that they were better than Gretzky or Howe. Shit, even Lemieux doesn’t particularly stack up well in the Cup department. Is it a matter of “one is enough to prove you are great”? That doesn’t seem to be what Talbot is implying. And then how do you deal with Dan Marino and Tim Brown? To me, it’s a lazy argument that someone uses when they can’t be bothered to actually delve into the merits. Unfortunately, it’s all too pervasive.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions
whoa
Someone’s up early.
I don’t think you can use winning one championship to win that argument—if Sid wins 3 to 4, then we’ll talk about him being better than Ovechkin.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone’s up early and writing detailed in depth analytical essays. Hey F&B, pass some of that over here, I’m struggling.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d help if I could. What’s the paper on?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
different ways of regulating the live reef fish trade in the Philippines…you asked…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Sounds fun… Pacquiaoooooooooooooooo!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea man, I was actually there during the Pacquiao-Cotto fight…the whole town I was living in stood still for about 5 hours while it was on, and people were playing bootlegged DVD copies of it non-stop for weeks after. Epic.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
If you needed to know about US counterinsurgency efforts in the Philippines, I might be able to help. Otherwise, not so much.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Also, I owe you a beer re: Flash and 20 goals.
Double or nothing that he doesn’t hit 25?
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No, not helpful in the slightest. :) What’s actually frustrating is that I know everything I need to write, it’s just all so theoretical that I’m having trouble putting it on paper. Bah….5.5 hours to go…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the greater point is, that winning championships alone doesn’t make you a “great” player, or “greater” than another player. Unless its actually you by yourself on the ice against another team that wins it, its a “team” thing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. Gretzky had 4, Messier had 5. Messier won without Gretzky, Gretzky never won without Messier. End of story?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
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Messier won 6 Cups. 2 without Gretzky.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Jordan never won without Pippen
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be cool if people stopped giving a damn who is better and just enjoyed themselves and the game.
That being said, Ovechkin is clearly better and will win more Cups anyway.
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Well I agree with the top line as well, but if you are going to have the debate at least make it rational.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Snap
TEB reporting on the twitters that Campbell has a broken collar bone.
I had one of those by going into the end boards. Not fun!
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I broke mine being stupid on a scooter. Not fun, don’t recommend it.
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broken – car accident.
i an say the recovery sucks… they don’t do anything but tie you up with some butterfly looking thing and say “stay still”
that butterfly thing
That thing sucked, i remember in the emergancy room the doctor sort of tightening up the straps and pushing my collar bone back into place.
"Hey, atta dinnin stick a who!"
a girl I used to play soccer with broke hers in 6th grade because a fat kid fell on her during recess….oops
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Ruh roh-will this affect a suspension?
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Not unless you’re talking about the Chicago ice techs that allowed there to be a skate-catchable rut in the ice that early into the game.
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they must have gotten those ice resurface machines from vancouver…..
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I got checked from behind/side when I was 13 and broke my clavicle. As I recall the play looked kind of similar to what happened to Campbell. There was a 10 minute major but no suspension for the guy who hit me. My teammate’s mother was a doctor (interestingly an OBGYN) and diagnosed the injury from the bench. The worst part of a clavicle brake (in my opinion) was trying to sleep lying down. I distinctly remember having to sleep in a chair for the first week because I tend to roll on my sides when asleep.
"Hey, atta dinnin stick a who!"
I was potisliding to diffuse a breakaway in the first shift of the game. Couldn’t stop myself, and luckily hit shoulder-first instead of head/neck-first.
Definitely remember sitting up to sleep amongst a thousand pillows.. not fun. And also not fun walking around in a crowd with a busted collar bone. Every bump was like a needle prick.
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Ovechkin's hit...
Maybe I’m an apologist, but here is what I saw from the replay:
Ovechkin racing down the ice, after a loose puck. Campbell beating him to it by a stride. Ovechkin makes contact with Campbell near goal line, and does NOT sustain contact all the way into the boards – although he could have. Force of contact (force = mass X velocity – Ovechkin is a big guy, and a fast skater) sufficient to knock Campbell into the boards. Campbell contacts boards awkwardly, and ultimately and unfortunately breaks collarbone.
by shotfromthepoint on Mar 15, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions
Let’s also not forget that if Campbell’s feet are angled differently, Ovie’s push just carries the defenseman along.
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And don’t forget Campbell is named after a soup. And as we all know.. Soup cans are prone to being painted by Andy Warhol. Andy Warhol was shot by a feminist. And.. well..
I have no idea where this is going.
by Brainumbc on Mar 15, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not THROUGH the boards, but contact is carried for approximately 6 feet, ending with a shove down. i did frame by frame. you dont do that kind of damage from a push outside the goal line.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I say, if Ovi has as many dangerous hits next year, and gets himself suspended for them, he should have the Captaincy taken away from him. We can’t have a Captain who continually loses games to suspension.
He is not necessarily a dirty player but is bigger and stronger and more likely to cause injury to other guys. At the rate he’s going, assume 3 game misconducts per year unless he can figure out how to avoid it.
For tomorrow (and during the duration of Ovi’s expected suspension), let’s give Laich the “A” so we can groom him for the job. My own recommendation is - if Ovi gets suspended twice next year, he should lose the captaincy.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Saw him during the London/Windsor game Friday. Beautiful head of gray hair. Almost looks like Charlie Rich.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t an issue….Dale wasn’t captain when he got suspended for the start of 1993-94. Kevin Hatcher was.
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by topshelf_22304 on Mar 15, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
As would this man...
I’m not privy to his suspension history but he was still … less than a gentleman. But it was a different time back then. Back when men were men, and the water was whiskey.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
This guy made Howe and Delvecchio look like angels
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Looks like a Caps crowd… all dressed in suits and looking the other way.
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the picture. It’s clearly the lower bowl of a Leafs crowd. All that’s missing is the Blackberries.
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
he kinda looks like kurt russell in that picture
by twistedlogic on Mar 15, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I must confess that the picture of Dale Hunter that you posted brought a smile to my face. And a little perspective even though Hunter was not one of my favorite players by any stretch of the imagination.
I would not have wanted a Captain who got suspended a lot but someone below pointed out that he was not the Captain at the time of his suspension.
Still, very nice picture and it brings back memories.
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I wasn’t around for this discussion, but I never thought Ovechkin was a good choice for captain. A permanent “A”, certainly, but not captain.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin was the only choice and every Caps player said so. The piling on is getting a little excessive.
Hey, I said I wasn’t around when this was being discussed. Not trying to start it back up; its over.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel advocating taking the captaincy if Ovechkin’s suspended more than once and also saying that he’s not a dirty player and is just more likely to get misconducts because he’s bigger and stronger and thus more likely to hurt guys is saying that if the referees make two bad calls next year, Ovechkin should lose the ‘C’ – and I can’t say I agree with that.
by David Getz on Mar 15, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He’s only got two legit majors in his career, doesn’t he? Briere and Gleason?
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I suppose it depends who you ask. I thought the major yesterday was legitimate, but I realize I’m in the minority here on that.
My frustration with the refs was more their “interpretation” of the rulebook that equated what Ovie did with the kind of hit that Koci laid on Green. The rule was written to eliminate the Koci hit, not the Ovie hit, therefore the application of the automatic game misconduct was inappropriate in my opinion.
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Briere, I’ll concede was legit. I had my doubts about how legit it was on Gleeson. (Note: Gleeson was back before the 5 minutes was over.)
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(Note: Gleeson was back before the 5 minutes was over.)
I don’t really think that should play in to it. The injury/non-injury on the part of the guy who was on the receiving end doesn’t always match up with how dangerous the play was.
It was definitely a knee and Briere was definitely from behind. Those are incontrovertible. The others, though, including yesterday….
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That’s my problem with this hit; if Campbell gets up there is no way AO gets 5 and a game. But he didn’t. AO deserved what he got for Gleason, but I don’t think he got his money’s worth on Kaleta or Campbell.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The game misconduct for the Kaleta hit was absurd and the call yesterday was a CYA by the refs after the Cooke non-call.
by b.orr4 on Mar 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. That Kaleta hit should be the prime example of a guy turning into a dangerous hit to draw a call. He sees AO coming, plays the puck, and turns face first toward the boards. What an ass.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
But I think the notoriety from the Cooke play may have had a factor in the refs’ minds. It was definitely a different play, but I could see the refs panicking when Campbell went down. “We aren’t going to be the idiots to let a bad hit go unpunished!”
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
How to avoid 3 game misconducts: Have the refs not make bad calls.
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I don’t think you can put it on the refs. Ovechkin shouldn’t be putting himself in that position to begin with.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh. 2 of the 3 hits are not legitimate game misconducts. The Gleason hit is the only one he deserved to be tossed for. No way he’s gone for the game if Campbell gets up, that was just awkward and a mess.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You can put some of it on the refs, but I don’t think any player should be making borderline hits. The Campbell hit was a penalty (though maybe not a major), and partially Ovechkin’s fault.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s all well and good to say from where we sit. But borderline hits are by definition going to happen. There’s a gray area, and players are going to play in it. You got into it with Hooks Orpik the other day because of how he characterized Tootoo. I realize Tootoo is cleaning his whole ack up, but he still lives in that gray area. There’s a reason fans love guys that play on the edge. You could say AO is so good that he doesn’t need to play on the edge, but playing on the edge is what makes AO AO.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, and I won’t defend Tootoo for it, either. Ovechkin can play with an edge without racking up boarding or charging penalties. The Jagr /Richards hits are good examples.I think he’s been unfairly penalized several times, but that doesn’t stop him from making good decisions on how he’s going to hit.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t think it’s so easy to change your mindset. When you are in “hit everything that moves mode” you are bound to hit something you shouldn’t. I’ve never seen him drive a guy face first into the boards, I’ve never seen him destroy a guy when the puck wasn’t there. Basically what I’m getting that is that from my vantage point, AO is always attempting a legitimate hockey play. Sometimes he’s over-zealous, and sometimes it goes wrong. But he’s not in the class of guys that I’d call dirty; he’s not trying to injure people and he’s not throwing cheap shots behind the play. Would I like him to somehow cut the questionable hits out? Yeah. But I’d rather live with the questionable hits than see him become Ilya Kovalchuk. Hopefully as he matures he learns to walk that fine line. Like I said before, when you watch an AO hit, just imagine it was Dustin Brown and ask how you’d feel about it.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope they are positive.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
hell yes
I would trade anyone on the roster not named Hornqvist, Weber, Suter, or Wilson for him. And any prospect.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
And immediately make him captain. Like within 2 seconds.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Just making sure. That’s how I feel about him.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling they are very, very positive.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t like him cause he’s ugly.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin can play with an edge without racking up boarding or charging penalties.
Disagree. Hockey is played at breakneck speed (no pun intended) and if you play on the edge, you will inadvertently go over it on occasion. That’s what’s called a penalty. It’s when you make a play knowing you will hurt the opponent that it becomes dirty. Ovechkin’s hit was a penalty. By giving him a game misconduct, the ref said it was malicious which is wasn’t.
Actually...
The boarding major automatically comes with a game misconduct. You can’t hand out one without the other.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I posted the relevant rule below, but for reference:
Game Misconduct Penalty – When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
I’ve asked the NHLOA to clarify, because there was no head or facial injury in the play that I saw.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, but it’s not the case that you can’t give a game misconduct, it’s just that it’s not automatic.
I don’t think I’ve seen a boarding major without one, though… it may be based on head/facial injury, if the rule is followed to the letter of the law, but that isn’t the way they call it on the ice. I’d look them all up this season to check, but I’ve got a brutal headache and I don’t want to go through 1024 game summaries today…
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
As I said above, that rule was written for the Koci-Green or Ryder-Comeau hits, not for what Ovie did. It was put in place to punish/deter guys from ramming an opponent’s head/face into the boards from behind. There’s simply no way to spin this hit in that fashion, even if you’re “committed to the Indian.”
Should have been a 5 min major with no misconduct.
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I agree – but I have not seen it called that way in practice. If anyone has an example where they called a boarding major WITHOUT a game misconduct, please, by all means, tell me.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Given that the vast majority of 5 minute majors in the NHL are for fighting, and those almost never result in game misconducts, I think you’re misremembering.
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somewhat irrelevant
Yet interesting stat- Tootoo: 29 PIM, Ovechkin: 81 PIM
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Now do a quick calculation and give us PIM/60 minutes of TOI.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Coming up momentarily, but I can guess the results. I would still have thought Tootoo’s would’ve been closer though. Then again, he’s cut the fisticuffs way down.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If I’m reading the table correctly, Tootoo is taking 0.3 penalties per 60 minutes, while Ovechkin 0.9.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
do your own math on the minutes ;)
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that is what it looks like to me. Doesn’t make a ton of sense because that would mean Tootoo was getting AO minutes, which he doesn’t.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t take it like that— I’m reading that for every sixty minutes, regardless of TOI, thats the number of penalties they take.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, but that’s about the same ratio as their pure PIMs that you cited above.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, I didn’t notice you said PIMs though. That is just number of penalties, meaning a two minutes minor is the same at a game misconduct. My bad.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Also note that that is 5-on-5 only.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
hmm…where can we find what we’re looking for?
It would be pretty interesting if Tootoo takes that many less penalties than Ovechkin per 60. The gamers screw with that, though.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe it would be raw PIMs divided by total TOI multiplied by 60. That’s just off the top of my head though.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I suck at math, though, so I’ll take your word for it. NHL.com doesn’t keep TOI stats very handy, apparently.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, NHL.com just keeps raw stats. The aggregate stuff is all BtN.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
So assuming I’m calculating the stat correctly, Ovechkin has 3.7 PIMs/60 total and Tootoo has 4.1 PIMs/60 total.
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Nice work. That sounds much more in line with what I was thinking.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna be pretty stunned if Tootoo took less penalties than OV.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
(And yeah, that hit was a PIM yesterday, as I’ve said all along, and AO obviously bears some responsibility.)
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s been said over and over at this point. But I have no issue with him penalized for that hit…even with a major. However, I have serious issue with the game misconduct and don’t get me started if he actually gets suspended.
I will throw this out there…at the very least the NHL loses my money from the NHL package next season. I won’t give up my season tickets, but all other money will go away until Campbell (NHL, not CHI) is replaced.
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I could live with a 5, I’m just not sure they can call a five and not a game. And a game is excessive to me. I’m not so worked up over a game because at real speed it could have looked really bad (maybe they didn’t see Campbell toe pick) but a suspension after review would be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatrocious. Especially coming on the heals of the Cooke decision.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Realistically, its impossible to a referee to make the assessment at real speed, with one look, that maybe the hit looked worse than it was. Hopefully Campbell’s office gets it right, somehow I doubt they will.
What does it say about the NHL when the KHL has more credibility in terms of disciplining players?
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
42.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.
and more…
Game Misconduct Penalty – When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
So it looks like if they had known for a fact that Campbell didn’t have a head injury when they called the penalty, they could have given him 5 without the game, but …
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He should be stripped of the captaincy if he gets suspended twice? That’s ridiculous. You’re freaking out way too much about this whole thing.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I will admit these major penalties that Ovi is suddenly getting are frustrating the heck out of me.
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I do have to say, I credit you for being consistent. I got on you for the Backes stuff, but you’re looking at this basically the same way.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What are we talking about here…Stripping Ovi of the “C”…Have you seen our record since he was captain. You dont demote the best player in the world…PERIOD.
We’ll still need to groom ourselves another alternate to serve when he’s out.
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At this point
Why ask why?
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Drink Bud Dry?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s no lack of leadership in the Caps’ dressing room. And for the record Brooks got an injury “A” prior to the Olympic break when Poti was out.
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by Ovechwin on Mar 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
crap
Beat me to it.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you groom an alternate, he either is one or isn’t. Laich should be ready to have a letter by now.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t Laich and Lars enough of alternates?
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I know we’ve had a great record since Ovi’s become captain. And I would really hate to take away the captaincy from him. But my bottom line is …. there is a minimum standard of conduct that needs to be adhered to.
No, I don’t advocate taking it away now. But, if he doesn’t get his act together, and keeps getting suspended multiple times next year, then that action has to be considered, sad to say.
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Ovi should not be penalized because he is bigger and stronger than most, and therefore his hits could cause injury.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 15, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
great point, but it will never happen. laich should have been the captain all along , IMO…
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
While I think Laich might make a great Captain, I would not have given it to him without him serving as an alternate first.
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Ironically, maybe a leader-type thing to do? He’s young, Ovie already has a letter, so why not defer to the vets like Knuble and Poti?
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by red army line on Mar 16, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I would really like to be able to go back to discussing Ovie’s amazing and numerous goals rather than his hits. Make it happen, Alex.
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I think Backstrom has us. Right in the palm of his magnificent hand.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I used to play hockey in high school but I quit for two reasons. One, I wasn’t very good and two, I realized pretty quickly that hockey was a dangerous sport and sooner or later I was going to get hurt from a routine play. I had a lot of really talented players on my team, guys who went on to have very good careers in college and it became apparent to me that they played with an edge that I couldn’t go to. Sometimes, they’d cross the line but their willingness to go there is what made them excel. Plays like the one Ovechkin made on Campbell used to be routine in the NHL. Fans and players accepted that hockey was a risky sport and stuff like that happened because they were hockey plays and not plays where the intent was to injure. Today, those same plays are considered dirty and malicious. What some commentators don’t understand is that if you legislate out of the game that ability to go to the edge, if you force players to consider the possible ramifications of every hit, you’ll have a game played with sticks and pucks but it won’t be the hockey we’ve come to know and love in the NHL. It may be safer, but I don’t think it will be as much fun to watch.
by b.orr4 on Mar 15, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Today, those same plays are considered dirty and malicious. What some commentators don’t understand is that if you legislate out of the game that ability to go to the edge, if you force players to consider the possible ramifications of every hit, you’ll have a game played with sticks and pucks but it won’t be the hockey we’ve come to know and love in the NHL. It may be safer, but I don’t think it will be as much fun to watch.
I think Milbury actually said as much during yesterday’s game. Rare occasion that I didn’t want to punch his face.
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We were amazed at what we were hearing.
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Go read What We Learned at Puck Daddy. Apparently we’re all delusional homer assholes for agreeing with Milbury.
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Yeah….that column is always a laugh riot
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I typically enjoy that column.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too. And only a few weeks ago he said “if you don’t recognize AO is the best player in the game you’re a blind homer for whatever team you root for.” I haven’t read this one yet, I’ll get to it when I’m done with this essay.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t bother. Not worth it.
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Thanks for the heads up. Does he at least take a shot at a Staal?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Boooring.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Premise in a nutshell:
Ovie hits people. It’s a pattern. He’s dirty.
Calls the hit on Campbell “textbook boarding.” (Must be one o’ them fancy Texas textbooks where the earth was created 150 years ago in a barbecue smoker by hard-working ’mericans.)
Says puck was clearly away from Campbell. (Um, ever heard of finishing your check?)
Honestly, if this were Clutterbuck or Brown this is a non-discussion.
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They didn’t even mention Nashville.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Best reply in the comments section of that piece of shit so far:
Haters gonna hate!
Couldn’t agree more.
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We need that GIF.
The whole thing just smacks of “trying too hard”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Seemingly lost among all these pundits is that this wasn’t even the worst on-ice incident that happened yesterday. Where are all the PD posts, and McKenzie and Dreger tweets about Sid and Downie?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Well unlike Downie, Ovechkin has a history.
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I’m waiting for the comparison article, where they say Ovi has “Downie Syndrome”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do too. I’ve even got the wife doing it now. Every once in a while she’ll hit me with an “is it” or an “are ya” or a “do ya?”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Lil’ Jimmy Norton.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said. There are easy calls and hard calls, and the hard calls are sometimes what makes the game fun.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with most of this, but I think that these plays happen more often than you think. The difference with Ovie is his media profile and the speed of information nowadays. Recently, the “great” players have tended to be rather gentlemanly: Gretzky, Lemieux, Sakic, Yzerman, etc… But in the past, you had guys like Gordie Howe, who were filthy SOBs. However, the journalists and broadcasters covering the game didn’t make as big a deal about how he used to pummel guys with his elbows in the corners. Without Sportscenter or YouTube, how on earth would anyone know that he wasn’t a gentlemanly player?
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Mark Messier was dirty as hell. But he’s known as a “fierce leader” and a “battler.”
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy played right up until the lock out. Give me a break “different era.” If you want to say that for Howe or Toe Blake, fine. But Messier is “modern era” to the core. How about D. Hatcher? Eric Lindros? Chris Chelios? You can find guys that were much dirtier than AO’s ever been without going back 30+ years.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d make the differentiation in media, if not in the style of play.
Also, by the time Messier was older, he’d chilled out a ton.
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He got a suspension for spearing a guy in the groin in one of his last two seasons. Guy was never an angle. And I’d say if he chilled out it was because he couldn’t catch anyone, not because he wasn’t an asshole.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
He was most certainly rounded, never an angle.
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Shut. Up.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
This is going to be another time with us agreeing to disagree. By defintion, IMO, post-lockout is a different era for the NHL. The rules are completely different as is the style of play.
In which case there are literally no meaningful player comparisons. That goes way too far.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how you’re trying to compare. Players are consistently compared to super-stars from a different era. INSERT NAME HERE can still be compared to other players…regardless of the rules.
Uh… what?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
So we can compare Gretzky’s points against no defense, but I can’t compare Messier being a complete asshole? It wasn’t that different.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I would think assholery kinda trumps decades? An asshole in the 50s would still be an asshole in the 90s and so forth.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorta. I can cut Gordie Howe some slack because the physical play was on another level. Self-policing was much more prevalent, there was one ref, players literally had to create their own space a lot more than they do now. But at the same time, whatever era you are talking about Howe did some ridiculously dirty stuff. In what era is it just cool to bust a guys eye with your elbow?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell, even 10 years ago if you wanted to see the hit, you at least had to tune in to NHL2Night, or SportsCenter. Now it’s broken down 7 ways from Sunday on 100 million different websites and you’ve got 20 different people emailing you links to it.
Interestingly, we see the same thing with Strategic Comms in COIN. . . :)
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I’d blame the Todd Bertuzzi punch on Moore that got the main-stream media going on reviewing hits.
"It hit me on the pants. I had protection. It felt good. Why? I wanted to win."
After the game, where did you go to see the hit again?
Where is almost everyone going to see the hit?
Without broadband internet, this doesn’t become quite the same phenomenon.
Bertuzzi vs. Moore was terrible, but then, so was McSorley vs. Brashear, et al.
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Ace Bailey wants to know why he’s not even getting a mention?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And in politics. Isn’t there a name for it – echo chamber?
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 15, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone knows that Howe was a dirty player, they just don’t care. “That’s good old fashion hockey.” It’s a double standard regarding past players. You hear all this nonsense about how players used to have respect for each other and they don’t now, then the same announcers will turn around and celebrate Gordie Howe’s elbows or Bobby Clarke hacking his way to Canada’s Summit Series victory.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Now they do. Back then, that stuff wasn’t as widely publicized, especially if you weren’t a hockey fan.
Still, I agree, the standards have changed.
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Sure, but the point is that even knowing what the old time players did they don’t get called dirty. No one is saying “yeah, looking back they were dirty but there just wasn’t the same focus on protecting players back in the day.” They talk about how Gordie Howe was such a good, tough player for using his elbows, but current players have no respect for anyone when they throw an elbow at an opponent.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, I said I agree that standards have changed. :)
I just think that this stuff, much like the Patrice Cormier hit on Michael Tam, causes more of a stir now because the internet gives us the ability to see the rather gruesome visuals, where we really couldn’t do that easily before.
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Most definitely. As with almost everything in life nowadays, the internet and the pervasiveness of the media has made everything much more publicly available and extensively analyzed, for better or worse.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Pat Quinn taking off Bobby Orr’s head. Or Eddie Shore and Ace Bailey. This shit has gone on forever.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Plays like the one Ovechkin made on Campbell used to be routine in the NHL. Fans and players accepted that hockey was a risky sport and stuff like that happened because they were hockey plays and not plays where the intent was to injure. Today, those same plays are considered dirty and malicious.
I think this is an excellent point (in an excellent post). There’s a huge distinction between a guy playing at the edge, occasionally going over the edge, and a downright dirty play. When someone goes over the edge, you punish them. When someone makes an downright dirty play, you punish them severely.
I feel like the distinction between a dirty play and one where a guy crosses the line has been severely diminished. I mean, when hits like Cooke on Savard, Koci on Green, or Gonchar on Clutterbuck go unpunished, you’re failing to protect the players because you’re failing to differentiate between a complete cheap shot and a bad decision.
The NHL seems to be too afraid to draw the line, so they’re putting everything in the gray area. Interestingly enough, the voice of reason on all this might be Don Cherry, because he’s a guy who clearly understands the difference between a hockey play gone wrong and on-ice assault, and he makes no bones about what should happen to the guys who commit the latter.
by David Getz on Mar 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. And the last point is why Don Cherry is better than all the wannabes. He does know the game, even if you disagree with his opinion or personal style.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, and yesterday put in stark relief the difference between a hockey play gone wrong and a dirty play — Ovechkin’s hit on Campbell, and Steve Downie’s attempty to separate Sidney Crosby from his lower right leg.
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
you had me 100 percent till you threw the word Cherry in :)
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
what? you don’t like a cherry on top??
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Milbury = Ignorant, jingoistic asshole.
Don Cherry = Knowledgeable, jingoistic asshole.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Another thing is, Cherry will stick to his guns. I may not always agree, but I give him credit for that.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Except didn’t Cherry criticize Green for Koci hitting him?
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Did the ol “you gotta know who’s on the ice with you” gimmick
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Perreault
Has anybody heard what Perreault’s injury is? I know he’s listed day-to-day, but I can’t find anything else.
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I heard flu yesterday. Apparently it’s working its way through Hershey’s roster.
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I don’t think its a head injury. Nothing would get through that hair.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
He had the flu a couple weeks ago, I thought. He left a game early with an Upper Body Injury over the weekend, which is what I’m wondering about.
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It will for sure be in Bear Tracks! tomorrow. I haven’t seen anything specific for now.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
He and Alzner both played yesterday. But the Bears clearly under the weather, they got pasted 6-2 and used both goalies.
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by Ovechwin on Mar 15, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why am I no longer friends with any hilarious Caps prospects? I used to be FB friends with Neuvy but he de-friended me :(. This was after I posted congrats on his wall after his first NHL win and he sent me a beer :(
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
So...
Can we talk about something other than the Ovechkin hit? Something interesting? Something that hasn’t been killed, then ground into a fine paste?
How’s about we grade GMGM’s mid-season acquisitions?
I’ll go first:
Chimera: A -
I love what Chimmer brings to the team. His speed stretches out opposing defenses and gives us the ability to play an effective dump and chase where we actually recover the puck. What keeps him from being an A+ is that he hasn’t contributed as much on the PK or with the fisticuffs as we thought he might.
Belanger: B -
It’s early yet, but so far Belanger hasn’t lived up to his billing as a great penalty-killer. His work in the dots has been good thus far, though. Of all the acquisitions, he’s the one who looks like he’ll need time to gel with his linemates. Still, he’s an upgrade over BMo at this point.
Walker: B +
Walker has been a revelation. I knew he’d be an energy guy, but I’ve been shocked at just how good a skater he is. His two goals against Tampa were great, but his real contributions will likely come during the playoffs.
Corvo: B
He hasn’t been perfect in his own end, but it takes defensemen longer to mesh with a new system than it does forwards. That being said, his ability to skate and pass the puck out of danger will be unbelievably valuable when teams like Pittsburgh or Philly forecheck us aggressively.
Juice: INC
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Juice: A for effort
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Juice’s arrival has coincided with Flash’s uptick in goal production? Coincidence?
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Puh-lease. Juice and Yoyo would be a great pairing.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
In Belanger’s defense, he was billed as a great PKer, but even before he had played a game with the Caps various folks around the Rink had posted stats indicating that he’s actually a fairly poor PKer beyond his face-off abilities. I fully agree with your other assessments.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
But as a PKer in the dot, if you win the faceoff that can help you take time off the clock. It’s not a huge benefit, but it’s something to consider.
It’s definitely a positive result, but you’ve got to be able to play if you don’t win the draw, and that’s why I’ve gotten tired of seeing Steckel out on the PK. If he loses the draw, he’s not very good at actually killing penalties.
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I agree with that mostly. I’d probably give Belanger a clean B, but that’s minor. Walker has been much better than I expected (and without the sucker punching!). Corvo hasn’t shown what I expected offensively, but hopefully that will come. His speed is already paying dividends in terms of getting to loose pucks in our zone and moving them so we don’t get pinned and cycled on for entire shifts.
Tangential question: If Corvo doesn’t find his offense here, do we start having to look at BB? He would be the second guy to come here known for his offense just to see that part of his game disappear.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He hasn’t been getting a terribly large amount of PP time, which is where he cleaned up in the past.
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True, but even at 5/5 he should be more potent. Haven’t seen a lot of rushes (maybe he’s being cautious in a new system) and more disturbingly hasn’t been getting his shot off and on net very much.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing you’re referring to Poti, in which case I’d point that he had a pretty direct correlation between PP points and overall points, so when his PP time dropped, his point totals dropped as well. Still, I think you’re onto something. BB’s offensive system does not really engage the point men very effectively. On the occasions when we have done it (I’m thinking of a few games during the streak) we’ve looked pretty monstrous.
If Corvo keeps making nice outlet passes, he’ll keep getting assists, and if the forwards actually pass to their points, he’ll probably collect a few goals before the year is out. Still, like Poti, I think his overall point production will depend in large part upon his PP ice time.
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So do you think BB’s system doesn’t use the points much because we score so much on the rush? Or is it something else? We’ve been cycling a lot more this year, but I still think we don’t rotate the puck up to the points as effectively as we could. Is that BB or the players?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s BB, because I noticed the exact same thing when I watched the Bears play last year. Lots of emphasis on cycling, not much emphasis on using the points.
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Gah, Nashville would be so screwed in that system.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way, two very nice wins for Nashville over the weekend. I’d love to see them in and Detroit out.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say BB. Didn’t we see an article recently where the reporter said Bruce was running forechecking drills and the entire focus of them was keeping the puck in the corner and below the goal line?
Nylander was the only player that would consistently use the point men. Maybe this added to his fall from grace, who knows.
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It’s also hard to tell because we haven’t exactly had a ton of D worth using at the point. You pass the puck to Juice/Mo/Erskine/Schultz you may as well start backchecking.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
which highlights the importance of having people who can move the puck like Corvo. I could care less if he gets no points — so long as he is getting the puck up to the forwards without dumping it in or turning it over in the neutral zone no one should be particularly concerned with how a defenseman performs offensively. Hell, if anything Corvo and anyone else who steps up and learns how to pass or move the puck will end up improving the defense since so many opportunities are given to other teams from the inability to cleanly get the puck out of the zone.
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I think we see a lot of this from the 3rd and 4th line especially, they’ll cycle below the hash marks for a while but either not get any shots on goal or maybe Bradley will take one of his goal line shots and that’ll trickle in. They’ll go to the D if one of them pinches way down into the slot (I’m thinking of Green, but we’ve seen others occasionally take the chance, too.)
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I think the reason you see that with the 3rd and 4th lines is two-fold:
1) They don’t have enough skill to both cycle the puck and look for scoring chances – they’re using everything they’ve got just to keep possession because for the 3rd or 4th line, 45 seconds of offensive zone time is a damn good shift.
2) They don’t have the speed with the puck to get separation on the cycle. When Ovie, Semin or Backstrom curls to the slot off a cycle, they’ve got the quickness to elude their check and a quick enough release to get a good clean shot off.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
You really think Walker is going to play that much during the playoffs? To me, against stiffer competition, he’s going to be a consistent healthy scratch.
I think they got him specifically for the playoffs.
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I thought so too, but to be honest he’s looked better than Bradley since he got here. I could see him pushing Bradley out. At the very least I think they’ll rotate. After how Walker has played I can’t see him just sitting.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Walker’s not playing on the PK.
I think if we see him scratched more than half the remaining games, he’ll start the playoffs in the press box — unless there’s a injury.
Good point about the PK. Then again, I’m not sure it matters who we have on the PK. Our entire approach is terrible, IMO.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you? I thought since the Dallas debacle, they’ve really become more agressive on the PK and a lot more effective. Then again, I haven’t checked the numbers, so I could be wrong.
Well I missed three games while I was in Vegas. But the PK hasn’t changed much, IMO. When we succeed it is largely luck.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
They definitely seemed like they were getting in the shooting lanes much better yesterday. I thought they were doing an amazing job killing off the 5 min major until. . .
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Yeah they were doing well on that PK, but if you’re selling that our PK unit has turned the corner, I’m not buying.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus over on SCH they’d been rambling about how Keith doesn’t know how to quarterback a PP and how they don’t move the puck around well.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t take them too seriously though. I got called a troll after the pre-season game against them because I pointed out the logical inconsistency of “oh well it doesn’t matter that we lost to an AHL team because it’s only the pre-season” (true, sorta) but followed with “but our PK looked friggin’ sweet!” Well… it was a meaningless game against an AHL team. But I’m the idiot.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t lose with Perreault in the lineup, if you ignore the losses when he’s in there.
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Especially can’t lose when MP scores the GWG!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see him pushing Bradley out simply because Bradley is younger and Walker doesn’t bring that much more to the game than Bradley.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think their age will be a factor come playoff time. Performance will be the only criteria.
I see Brads getting the nod initially because of his PK abilities. Our PK may suck, but I don’t lay that at his feet.
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PK is big. At the same time, Walker is meaner. So if we are playing a team that needs a good ol’ face punchin’, Walker may be the guy.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I misinterpreted what F&B was saying. I could definitely see him pushing Bradley out of the line-up come playoff time. I merely meant that I don’t think Walker’s in the organization’s plans after this year due to his age.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I agree with that for sure.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
To me he's a prototypical 4th line playoffs winger
tough, reasonably versatile.
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I've been pleasantly not-disappointed at Corvo's defense
He’s made some mistakes so far, but he’s been more than solid, IMO. Which is more than I was expecting.
Corvo: B
He hasn’t been perfect in his own end, but it takes defensemen longer to mesh with a new system than it does forwards. That being said, his ability to skate and pass the puck out of danger will be unbelievably valuable when teams like Pittsburgh or Philly forecheck us aggressively.
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D’ohboy, were you looking at this purely from a performance standpoint or did you factor in what the Caps had to give up to get the guys?
Pure performance. In my mind, everything else is a sunk cost at this point.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If you think that’s fancy, try my Edgeworth Box on for size.
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nope, sunk cost is about as far as I go in economics…unless you’re talking about fish
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
But even if you considered the cost I think we came out on top.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
(And to relate back to the clips, how the hell is OO not in game shape. If conditioning is a problem that’s all on him.)
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, wow guys. 10:30 and already at almost 500 comments. Today’s Clips are gonna be a doozy.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
More from Tarik
I’m hearing the Caps have/are going to ask the NHL to rescind the major penalty assessed to Alex Ovechkin yesterday for his hit/shove.
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Meanwhile, Dreger continues his efforts to smear Ovechkin and influence decisions:
NHL is defining “boarding” now and in light of the severity of B.Campbell’s injury, Ovechkin may face suspension.
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If they are defining “boarding” now and use that to suspend AO, how is that consistent with not suspending Cooke because they hadn’t defined “intent to injure” and “head shot.” If AO’s hit is suspendable, and Cooke’s is not, then this league really is fucked up.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Haven’t they ever heard of ex post facto?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently not…
But they maintain that they don’t judge based on results… so…
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
If AO’s hit is suspendable, and Cooke’s is not, then this league really is fucked up.
And that would be so very surprising, eh…how?
by markbona-capsfan99 on Mar 15, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how this is a smear, but in terms of influencing decisions, he’s doing what Milbury and Mcguire were yesterday.
If anything, Marek’s “criteria” last night was more nonsensical than this.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s doing the same thing he did when he tweeted about the slew foot earlier in the season.
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Right, he’s trying to influence a decision, which was what McGuire and Milbury could be considered doing yesterday. Where’s the smear?
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Taking the same side on questionable plays time after time leads me to believe that he’s after Ovechkin for some reason. Maybe smear isn’t the right term.
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Gotcha. I’d guess he’s speculating more than opining here, but it’s only 140 characters, so it goes many ways. I’ll repost Marek, so everyone else can share the frustration I had:
No need to compare OV hit to either Cooke, Koci, Lapierre. Ask was it from behind into boards? did BC have the puck? was there an injury?
and is he a repeat offender? I know it stings Caps fans to hear but the criteria for a suspension is there.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure what his point was? Cooke and Koci weren’t suspended and they fit the criteria same as AO? And Lapierre’s was much worse.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Was it blindside? Did Savard have the puck? Was there an injury?
This shit means nothing.
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by jordanDC on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There’s no intent to injure. That’s different. Marek is a dummy.
BTW, it was hysterical when their segment failed on HNIC. They had a video all up ready to go, and were going to play it, and it wouldn’t buffer.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If anything, Marek’s "criteria" last night was more nonsensical than this.
The more I read of that guy, the more I think his nickname should be “often wrong, but never in doubt.”
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s got plenty of competition for that name.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought I would have closed the market on it by now…
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh. You know I don’t put you in that category. But if you want me to expound I’m not above flattering you.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought boarding was already defined. Are we going to have one set of rules for Ovi and another for the rest of the league?
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 15, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That strikes me as a bit ballsy. Its one thing to argue for him not getting supplemental discipline… asking for the major penalty to be rescinded?
Maybe they’re hoping if they ask for the penalty to be rescinded, they’ll lose on that request, but avoid additional games?
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I see it as the organization backing up their boy and being very rational. Dude toe-picked. Call a penalty on the fucking ice, which is what sent Campbell into the boards.
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And if you don’t get it rescinded he’s subject to an automatic suspension if anything happens again this year or to start next year.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
does that go into the playoffs too?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Dunno but I kinda doubt it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a relief, at least.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
And the video shows Alex tapping Campbell with his stick before the hit, so Campbell definitely knew he was about to be hit. Boarding is usually the result of a hit on an unsuspecting player.
that is true as far as the stick. he actually hooked him first so it should not have caught Campbell by surprise. But that could actually make it WORSE for Ovie cause one could argue even with knowing it was coming look what he did to him…
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really, Ovi sent him into the boards. Catching an edge sent him into the boards awkwardly.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It was certainly a boarding, Ovechkin should have realized his own strength there. I personally felt it was a double minor just because of the severity of the hit but I doubt there was any intent to injure. If there was, he would have followed through on the hit instead of going after the puck. Ovechkin wouldn’t have tripped over him if he was trying to plow him into the boards.
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If Ovie was boarding him, the rut would have been inconsequential, because Ovechkin would have just driven his ass off his feet and into the wall.
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You have a point but we were still calling for a penalty when the same exact thing happened to Semin. On the flip side, Laich had a nearly identical hit and it was called a clean, good hit.
I think it was still boarding but I agree that the ice is the reason it turned into a major and ultimately is going to put Campbell out for quite some time.
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On the flip side, Laich had a nearly identical hit and it was called a clean, good hit.
Exactly. I pointed this out in the GDT. If Campbell doesn’t catch an edge it’s the same as Laich pushing Kane.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no double minor penalty for boarding. Its a minor or a Major+. See Section 6 Rule 42.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26329
There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player (or goalkeeper) applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule.
That’s pretty clear. Or not.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The wording on that rule is REALLY flakey.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck, you could argue that Campbell did nothing to prevent himself from being injured.
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You could also argue that neither Cambell or Ovie felt Campbell was in a vulnerable poisition with regard to a push off from the side … and I maintain he wasn’t if and as has been said elsewhere if he doesn’t catch an edge he probably skates right through the whole thing….
by markbona-capsfan99 on Mar 15, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I had always assumed discretion calls like that had the option for a double. Completely stupid with that wording that it was called a major.
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They should have a double minor for it.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The argument there (and I say this as a guy who’s contributed to a number of hockey rulebooks) is that referees won’t call the major if they have the double minor option. Refs don’t want to be the bad guys, so they take the middle ground. The minor or major writing forces them to take a stand in one direction or the other.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why are there a ton of rules that have a double minor option as well as major and minor?
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Some rules require a lot less judgment, and officials have more experience making them (ie: they happen more often). I can trust that my guys know the difference between a double minor for roughing, and a 5 for fighting. I can’t say that about boarding, it doesn’t happen that often, and when it does, its seldom really ugly.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This one is the least egregious of all the other incidents. i just watched them all. BC did lose an edge, and may have not gone down. Tough call for CC. Based on prior violations, i would say he should be suspended BUT based on Colin Campbell basically throwing OUT prior acts, he could walk. I have no idea what should be done. I just want Ovie to be a little more careful. I dont want to hear his name tied to any more incidents. It wont matter if he is at fault or not, people are NOT going to give him the BOTD anymore.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of mention of a rut in the ice leads to the question — are they arguing that yes, it’s a minor penalty, but if the rut hadn’t been there, Campbell might not have been hurt? Or at least as badly?
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Yeah, it definitely made a difference on how awkwardly he hit the boards.
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by kellobellow on Mar 15, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
preemptive. If he crosses the line in the playoffs, the 41-game limit comes into play (am I right on that?)
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
re: Talbot
While I agree it’s stupid to say that Crosby is better than Ovechkin because Crosby has a cup and OV doesn’t, I also think it’s ridiculous to say we should completely ignore it because it would also tell us that Talbot is better than OV.
We shouldn’t ignore goals score because it tells us that Latendresse is better than Toews this season. Or +/- because it told us that Michael Roszival was the best player in the league one year.
Championships is a stat like any other, how much weight you want to put on it is up to you. I personally think it should be very small, but I’m also pretty sure it shouldn’t be zero just because Talbot has a cup and Ovechkin doesn’t.
The major difference between something like goals or plus-minus and a Cup is individual versus team. I think that’s really the sticking point for most people.
If we invented a Cup +/- where a SC final won was a plus and a SC final lost was a minus, then Crosby and Ovechkin are even!
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Mar 15, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. My only point is that players should be given some credit for championships when all is said and done. It should probably be small, but it shouldn’t be zero. The fact that Talbot has a cup doesn’t disprove that.
Right, which was the whole point of my comment on the subject above. What’s the exchange rate? How great or how small is the credit? On the one hand, Talbot is a role player who by no means carried his team. Perhaps you look at guys like Malkin and Cam Ward and say “well hell, they were post-season MVPs.” On the other hand, maybe you look at Talbot’s two game 7 goals and wonder whether Malkin or Crosby have a Cup without Talbot. The Penguins were just the best team last year, that’s what it boils down to. And Team Canada was by far the most talented team in the Olympics. I give Crosby credit for playing well on great teams, but let’s not pretend he’s operating alone.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Completely agree, I think it’s ridiculous for people to say that a cup and gold medal proves that Crosby is better than Ovechkin (especially the gold medal considering the difference in the quality of teams.) How much credit should be given for championships is impossible to know, as with anything else it has to be taken in context, and you’re correct in saying that it’s not like Crosby carried the Pens or Canada to championships.
I just disagree with the logic: “Dilfer has a ring and Marino doesn’t, but Marino was better than Dilfer, so rings must be meaningless.”
Yeah, that’s obviously a far fetched example, but people use it to put the flaw in high relief. There are so many examples that prove the fallacy of the statement, you could go on for days.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Oy
The Ovechkin hit will be on PTI today. At least Kelleher (the producer) says it’s “marginal”.
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I smell another Wilbon column coming. Here’s the lede….
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by ThePeerless on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
COLIN Campbell
Is there a chance that he could be removed as disciplinarian? Not saying that anyone in his position wouldn’t be heavily scrutinized, but it seems that more often than not his decisions are deemed wrong by the writers and fans.
Also, it bothers me that injury will influence suspension time. You mean to tell me that if Campbell walks that hit off, then OV is less likely to be suspended? Lastly, the argument that his hit was unnecessary is ridiculous. You could make an argument that all hits in hockey are unnecessary.
by JimCareyFanClub on Mar 15, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
There should probably be a committee that looks at these types of plays.
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Yes there should, made up of former officials and players.
Oh – and yet AGAIN, Ovechkin may be suspended RIGHT BEFORE THE CAPS PLAY THE PANTHERS.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
heh. A morsel for the tinfoil fans.
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If it looks like a duck…
Colin Campbell should NOT be the league disciplinarian so long as his son plays in this league. Period.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In that case someone could argue Campbell needs to remove himself from this decision as it potentially affects his son’s team
He won’t be. But he should be. If I had to choose which one gets removed, him or Bettman, I’d choose Campbell every time.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re talking like a decision has already been made…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If Campbell gets up, Ovi gets 2 minutes and the point is moot.
I disagree with it, but at least Colin Campbell is honest about it.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… punish the action, not the result.
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by kellobellow on Mar 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
That is a bad argument that has been dubunked time and again. The results are punished in hockey and real life.
High sticking — 2 minutes. High sticking with blood — 4 minutes.
Shoot a guy in the leg — 10 years in jail. Shoot a guy in the leg and he dies — 30 years in jail.
I don’t think kellobellow was saying it’s what happens, I think she was saying it’s what should happen.
So did I. I just don’t think the fact that it doesn’t actually happen that way doesn’t mean that’s not how it should happen.
That’s what I was getting at, in a nutshell.
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by kellobellow on Mar 15, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s a fine line. The 4 minute for blood is one I can abide. Not suspending Callahan because Green got up but suspending AO because Campbell didn’t I cannot abide.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well hockey isn’t real life, and anyone that has even a passing understanding of incentives understands the value of kellobellow’s statement.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Quit making comparisons to “real life justice”. Its a ridiculous argument.
by snowburnt on Mar 15, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will be surprised if Ovechkin is not suspended for a couple of games. Campbell’s injury is the big factor now.
Here we go…
by JimCareyFanClub on Mar 15, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
Just saw that. Sigh.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is that from?
Jesus, there is not a single person in the NHL higher-ups that I despise more than Colin fucking Campbell.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Bob McKenzie’s twitter.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Followed it up with this gem:
Final word on Cooke-Savard: Hated it, don’t like it, find it morally repugnant but he didn’t get suspended because he didn’t break a rule.
Fuck you, man.. jesus.
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Both Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger are really pissing me off lately.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Why the hell did Cooke get suspended for two games for making an identical hit on Walker previously? Give me a break.
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Hit was on Anisimov and involved an elbow.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
…unless you mean a different hit.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
whoops, forgot link, lolololol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5reSOp5LCV8
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Damn. I think Cherry missed that one.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
latest:
NHL has scheduled a disciplinary hearing with Alexander Ovechkin.
Good job, TSN boys.
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Elliotte Friedman says it’s happening now.
by Hello Dahlen on Mar 15, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
As promised...
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by terpgrrl on Mar 15, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Wow...
That blinky-stuff is obNOXIOUS! :-)
(I like it, but I’ve got a brutal headache today…)
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Such a sweetie you are! :-)
I hid it, too…
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re guessing right… and it wasn’t that good, either. :-p
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The mead wasn’t? Bummer. I haven’t tried mine yet.
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit the ESC key to stop the blinkiness of it all.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
The strawberry didn’t have much strawberry flavor to it at all, and was slightly sour. The blueberry was better, but still wasn’t fantastic. It’s by no means the worst mead that I’ve had, but it’s not the best, either.
I think, too, that it was affected somewhat by being bottled in a clear bottle.
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Awesome. My favorite part is the blinky stars, obviously.
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Sincere Question
Do all of you die hard Capital fans like myself really WANT the NHL to do nothing for what happened yesterday? Do you think something like yesterday will not happen again? Do you think this is best for Ovie himself moving forward and for the future?
Forget about today or the past, just do you think he should be sat down or do you think he is 100 percent an innocent victim and we should just move on?? Do you also think that long-term doing nothing could possibly have a negative effect on the perception of the Capitals? I think it can only help to sit him 4 games in the long run. But i want to know if i am all alone here??
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
He was punished on the ice and thrown out of the game. Its not like there was no call on the play.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. He got his penalty. Move along. I don’t think he was completely innocent, or that he shouldn’t have been called, but 5 and a game is sufficient.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
That was pretty much a one game suspension right there.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. And the NHL basically said that when they didn’t suspend Richards or Coburn (for his head shot on Antropov) last year. “Well he already got tossed from a game so we don’t have to send another message.”
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
If a guy steps on a stick and blows his knee out, does the guy holding the stick deserve to be suspended?
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That’s not really apples-to-apples because in that scenario the stick holder isn’t an active participant.
Let’s say you’re trying to a trip a guy when it happens. You deserve a 2-minute minor (like Ovie—though maybe he deserved 5), but then the guy blows his knee out.
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Or even just going for a poke check.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think ANYONE in this thread is saying Ovi is “100 percent an innocent victim”
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I think i’m more mad at Ovi for making us all suffer through this debate again than for his hit.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I am 100 percent with you on that
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think i’m more mad at Ovi the haters for making us all suffer through this debate again than for his hit.
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by oldemystix on Mar 15, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think it’s black or white on whether or not Ovechkin is 100 percent innocent in this situation. As you can see, yesterday when it seemed like Campbell would just be out for the game, most people thought suspension was outrageous. Now that Campbell is hurt, people seem to think a suspension needs to absolutely happen. If Ovechkin were to sit a couple of games, I wouldn’t be upset because he would be getting some rest. He, like Flash, played in the Olympics and could use a break just like BB said of Flash a few games ago. The circumstances surrounding how Ovechkin is given a rest is what bothers me. I’d much rather see BB scratch him to rest him for the playoffs, than he get suspended. Earlier in the year when he hit Kaleta, I thought that hit was fine. Even if it wasn’t, Kaleta is a punk, and laid the same hit a game later on an opposing player. This boarding call laid the groundwork for Ovechkin to be a repeat offender. I’m more concerned that these controversial hits are giving OV a bad reputation, and whether we like it or not, reputation is starting to play a bigger role on future suspensions.
by JimCareyFanClub on Mar 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The league has already handed out sufficient punishment. So yes I do want them to move on.
I don’t want a message sent just for the sake of sending a message. I want them to suspend an individual because they deserve it.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
thats a very good point, Yvon. it takes away from a great game…AGAIN…
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For those of you that haven’t seen the newest DGB/Bloge Salming production, you should definitely go check it out. Hilarious, as always.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
Looks like we might find out about Ovi pretty soon...
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An Ovechkin suspension now would also make the Richards non-suspension last fall a total and complete farce.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Mar 15, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
since when has that deterred CC?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
As if it needed any more help to be a complete farce.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 15, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Campbell did mention, as part of his strident defense of the gutless Cooke non-suspension, that Booth had to do a better job of not putting himself in that vulnerable a situation, which is part of the reason why Richards was not suspended.
So, does Ovie get due consideration in this light? Campbell has made that move behind the goal a thousand times; did he not know he could have been lined up and drilled?
by S h a g g y on Mar 15, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob McKenzie’s DUI metaphor is dumb. Creating a 1:1 comparison between the American/Canadian legal systems and NHL disciplinary procedures is a flawed argument on so many levels.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
Well, in all likelihood, the decision will be decided on a flawed argument. So I guess it’s fair to use a flawed one to defend your position. Keep it consistently flawed!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So if the hearing is/was at noon, any ideas of when we’d hear the verdict?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
I’d imagine it would break shortly after the hearing, my guess is by 1 p.m., 2 at the latest.
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Accidentally posted this in ups and downs:
To those who attended, how was the viewing party at the Baltimore ESPN zone yesterday? I would have gone, but I was on the road driving home from New York during the game. I definitely support more Baltimore viewing parties though.
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Nice to put faces to names, although my terrible face-to-name memory means I can now recognize people but have zero idea what your name is. Highlight was terpgrrl’s ESPNZone co-worker saying she was a Hawks/Wings fan and everyone saying “That makes no sense!”
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Disc 1: 4/16/88 – The Capitals® beat the Flyers® 5-4 in Game 7 of the Patrick Division Semi Final.
Disc 2: 4/17/96 – Game 1 Eastern Conference Quarterfinal vs. Penguins®. Down 4-1 on the road, but rally for a 6-4 win.
Disc 3: 6/4/98 – Eastern Conference Final vs. Buffalo. Advance to the Stanley Cup® Final for the first time in franchise history.
Disc 4: 10/5/05 – Ovechkin’s first game with the Capitals®, scoring two goals in a 3-2 victory over Columbus.
Disc 5: 11/23/07 – First game with Bruce Boudreau. Nicklas Backstrom scores dramatic OT winner vs. Flyers®.
Disc 6: 1/31/08 – Ovechkin breaks nose but scores 4 goals in 5-4 victory over the Canadiens®.
Disc 7: 4/5/08 – Capitals® beat the Panthers® 3-1 to clinch first playoff berth in 5 years.
Disc 8: 4/11/08 – Capitals® 5-4 victory vs. the Flyers® in the Eastern Conference Quarterfinal.
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Only one game from pre-1996? And neither 4-OT game (ok, they were losses, but still…)
If you've read this far...seek help.
I mentioned this when it first was announced….not enough pre Ovi games.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovi sells
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but 7 of the games involve him somehow.
The franchise has 35 years of history. It wasn’t just invented in the last 5.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And as I mentioned when it was first announced that is exactly why I won’t be buying it.
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The more I read about it, the more I think i’m going to skip on buying it. May get it for my dad though, since he’s missed a lot of the Ovi era (works nights).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No love for the Bellows Game either.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no I’m completely with you on that, as well as with the disappointment. All I’m saying is that the marketers are obviously trying to sell as many as possible, and in order to do so they are trying to appeal to the new Caps fanbase….most of whom sadly probably didn’t even know we had a team until 4 years ago.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Very busy, but wanted to get my two cents in on AO. I am 100% sure that this has been covered above, and I apologize for not putting this in the proper location in the thread, just don’t have the time to scroll through 800 comments.
I thought the major was the correct call at the time. AO pushed him while having a clear view of his numbers, although not directly from behind, and while in a dangerous part of the ice.
I thought the gamer was overkill. He didn’t crosscheck, trip, slew foot or hit him with a lot of force.
I don’t think a suspension is warranted.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
FanHouse poll for defensive defenseman. Jeff Schultz does not go unnoticed.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He’s 36 votes behind Brooks Orpik. This should not be allowed to stand.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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Um, some of those guys are better than Schultz…
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And?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Und?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d vote for one of the other guys. You can do whatever you please, I just think that blindly voting for your own guys is misguided at best.
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Dude, it’s a fanhouse poll on the internet. It’s not serious business. Plus, no one’s voting blindly. We review the options, note that Schultz is the only Caps player, and vote for him. :P
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Agreed. It’s an internet poll. Like I said: do what you please.
2. It’s the underlying notion that I don’t agree with, not the outcome, and here’s why:
There’s an interesting conversation to be had here about the merits of Schultz versus the other options. By framing it in terms of “let’s get it done for our boy,” then we have no conversation – all we’re doing is braiding each other’s hair and telling each other how great we are.
I’m sorry, but I’m not terribly interested in that. There was a time when this place was about having that interesting conversation about hockey with other educated hockey fans. It seems those times are fading fast.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Last week someone ripped Jeff Schultz and got destroyed.
I don’t think its the decline of western civilization fella….lighten up a little bit.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s part of a broader pattern.
I don’t care if someone rips Schultz – if they can back it up with actual thinking. If they just say, “Schultz is teh sukk,” then they deserved to be laughed out of here.
Blindly supporting him, however, is just the same thing in reverse.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Blindly supporting him, however, is just the same thing in reverse.
Bingo. The important thing is the rationale and discussion rather than the opinion itself (although this is starting to stray from the original point…).
We’re just having fun with a silly internet poll. Is it really that big a deal?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted for the best guy among players I’m familiar with. I don’t think we can be expected to look up game footage of every player before we answer a poll question..
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But then again, that’s just how I judge players.. by watching them. I guess others are happy to look up stats.
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Which is totally fine by me, because that’s discussable. We can agree or disagree and have a conversation.
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But aren’t we having a conversation now about how we lack a conversation about conversations?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but then I don’t think anyone said it was. Without putting words in his mouth I think what D’ohboy was reacting to was more the response he got for suggesting people do otherwise.
But see, if it wasn’t a FAN POLL (AKA a popularity contest), then I’d see it differently.
I am having fun with a silly Internet poll, FFS. It’s NOT a big deal, and I, for one, would like to see Mr. Nasty get some love. He IS good at what he does, but he’s underrated, and doesn’t get pointed out as being as good as he is often enough. That he’s even on the poll is surprising to me, knowing what I know of the Internet as a whole.
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I think it’d be nice to support our Sarge (especially since no one else will I think) so I voted for him. Would’ve really voted for Volchenkov or Michalek of the choices there. Maybe Lidstrom overall—he’s still really good. Just so tough to judge.
Alright then, which player deserves top spot? I think Volchenkov’s BkS and hits numbers put him at #1. (Seidenberg is the runaway leader for BkS, by the way). He’s 5th in BkS, 5th in QualComp among players with 30+GP, and only Regehr and Michalek of the guys on that list have a higher ValD (not really sure what that shows though)
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re in quite the feisty/cranky mood today, D’ohboy
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s his turn.. no telling who it could be next time.
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the favorite?
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I was...
But it worked. ;)
And I’m not grumpy anymore. Now we’re having an interesting discussion about something actually hockey-related. I come on here because I want to hear smart people’s opinions about hockey. I think it’s fun to read the thread below about defensive defensemen.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my thought, too. Then I voted for Schultz.
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Same here.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT THIS IS SERIOUS GUYS REVIEW YOUR OPTIONS!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda liked this guy
And Willie Mitchell also impressed when we played in Nucktown.
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I had to look twice to make sure Semin didn’t get traded to the Sens. Pretty good resemblance, there.
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i dunno. Volchenkov is no Afinogenov is no Kugryshev.
by DrinkingPartner on Mar 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like how they’re all pretty much making the exact same face.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That Ottawa alternate jersey is HIDEOUS.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You must have been a Genesis guy.
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by jordanDC on Mar 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
COME ON THERE"S NO NEED TO VOTE ON AN IMPORTANT POLL LIKE SHEEP
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Addendum: Only if you’d like to. Please review all options and take into account that Jeff Schultz may not skate as well or something.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg Zanon. Hahahahahahahahaha.
Greg Zanon. Hahahahahahahahaha
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He, Michalek, and Volchenkov are not getting even close to enough love. Orpik is getting way too much, and with the way Seabrook has been playing lately (see last afternoon? Not the only time, according to SCH), him too.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Zanon’s a good guy, but he has less offensive upside than I do.
That said, he probably should be in that poll. Guy had no problems going face first in front of a Chara bomb.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, offensive upside has nothing to do with that poll.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I realized that I was making fun of him for that when that poll had nothing to do with it right after I posted. D’oh.
Zanon— underrated player, no room for him on the Preds. Would’ve been so much awesome on the Caps, btw.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Noticed no Suter there. Gosh, Nashville has a ton of depth on D…
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably because Suter makes those guys look like AHLers offensively.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor was there Chara, or Keith, or Doughty or Ballard or. . .
I think they were trying to limit it to guys who are sort of one-dimensionally defensive.
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Exactly. Thats why there’s an option for “Greg Zanon”
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No hearing for Downie? WTF?!?
I guess because there wasn’t injury and internet outrage.
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He’s a good Canadian boy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Who almost severly injured the best Canadian boy.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
seriously, the fact that the hit was on the NHL Golden Boy makes the lack of a Downie hearing pretty surprising
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody in the front office watches TBL games, come on.
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by jordanDC on Mar 15, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can we confirm this yet? I so want to tweet McKenzie right now.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not like Downie might hurt someone again, and don’t ask him to change his playing style. It’s who he is – gotta accept the whole package.
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really? I mean come on, really? If Ovechkin gets suspended and Downie doesn’t even get a mention it’s time we march on Campbell.
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Here one thing my parents always say:
“[insert my name here], if we didn’t think you could be better, we wouldn’t scold you”
Maybe Downie is a lost cause…???
No excuse IMO.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a FanHouse poll. We’re fans of Schultz. :-) So there are better players out there. Schultzie’s OUR SARGE!
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With logic like this, who needs to think?
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Heh.
Yes, I know that there are better guys out there. And I know perfectly well some of them are on that list. Hell, probably some of them AREN’T on that list. But there is no way in HELL I would vote for Orpik for being the best of anything unless it’s best prickazoid.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why not start a conversation by saying something like, “Schultz has great BtN stats, but I prefer Volchenkov because of his hitting and shot-blocking abilities…”
Or something like that. Something that actually sparks a conversation. Otherwise we’re all just verbally masturbating on J.P.’s website.
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I like to verbally masticate.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I’m a bad guy because I don’t watch a lot of western conference hockey.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Start your games at 4:00 and I’ll change.
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C’mon, Central Division games start at 8, surely you can do that. At least on non-Cap nights.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, I got it. Move to the Eastern Conference where you belong anyway, and would get into the playoffs every year.
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whoooo
Don’t have to tell me twice. We have almost as many points as the effing Penguins, and we ain’t got Crosby or Malkin.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You’d get softball points from the likes of Carolina and Tampa! 100+ point seasons!
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We destroyed those two this year. I think we dropped seven on Tampa.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It would help dispel the “Nashville can’t score” stigma.
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Yeah, we still get that, and yet this year its not really a big deal.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Hornqvist is a big deal! Radu-who?!
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Maybe they should trade for Linus Omark? ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
One trick pony.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You feel Horny now too? Good grief…
If Rads comes back, our top line is set— Hornqvist/Wilson/Radulov, good gosh!
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Any chance of that actually happening?
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I think so. He’s required if he comes back to play a year with us. At some point he’s going to want to cross the pond again, I think. I would think he’d want to before Sochi, because playing KHL kompetition isn’t going to help his Olympic game much.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. If they make a concerted move away from using KHL players (which they should) he’d be dumb not to return.
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I’m not convinced that the Russian management has the humility and self-reflection necessary to realize that their KHL players and Russian system were major reasons for their embarrassing showing and then take steps to fix those reasons.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Olympics didn’t wake them to that, then they deserve to suck.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to say that I don’t know who I’d vote for…but it wouldn’t be Schultz. As much as I love the guy, it’s hard to overlook his skating ability in this context.
My gut says Regehr or Volchenkov.
Well...
Here’s the list:
Brooks Orpik 35%
Brent Seabrook 16%
Jeff Schultz 16%
Anton Volchenkov 8%
Willie Mitchell 7%
Robyn Regehr 5%
Zbynek Michalek 4%
Douglas Murray 4%
Scott Hannan 2%
Marc-Edouard Vlasic 2%
Greg Zanon 1%
Chris Phillips 1%
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Considering the ages of Vlasic and Schultz relative to the others on that list, their presence alone is pretty impressive.
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Zanon should be ahead of all those guys but the top four. Defensively.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
See, this is where I’d disagree. I think that moving the puck out of your own end efficiently is inherently part of playing defense. I used to play with a guy who was much, much better than me in most aspects of the game . . . except skating with the puck and making outlet passes. Like Schultz, he had a phenomenal poke-check, but once he got the puck on his stick, the best thing he ever did was pound it off the boards.
The upshot was that he’d steal the puck, only to turn it right back over, only to steal it again, and on and on ad nauseum. If he could have just hit that outlet with regularity, we would have spent much less time in our own zone.
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Sounds like a guy that could benefit from some Tom Poti Rainbow Clear lessons.
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We used to give him shit and call him Poke-Check Poti. Every time he’d try to lob it, it’d just go for icing though. :)
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Needs a refresher course at Poti U.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
GAH! Perish the thought. Keep that Masshole away from Johnny.
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Johnny was born in MA and almost went to UMASS.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatevs. He’s a Jersey boy. (Not that that’s somehow better than being a Masshole.)
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I think it’s amazing that among “NHL coaches, pro scouts and color commentators” Schultz is getting mentioned with guys like Seabrook, Volchenkov, Murray, and Regehr. That’s some pretty good company to put in by some pretty knowledgeable people.
Exactly.
And I could agree with any of those four being rated as better than him.
But not Orpik, which is what has me convinced this is a popularity contest rather than any kind of serious poll.
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Beat me to it. Barely. But he actually is good defensively. You just know Pens fans are flooding the vote. He also takes himself out of position looking for a big hit more than I like.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh also gives up the worst GA/G among any of the current playoff teams at 21st overall. They’re not good defensively.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And Orpik has a worse GVT than Mark Eaton for crying out loud.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like playing the role of the stupid Pens fan.
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Its funny how you never hear anything about how bad Pittsburgh is defensively, yet all you hear about is how the Capitals “lack defensive depth and goaltending is a question” or some variation on that front.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year I would’ve agreed with you. This year, well, they have that shiny thing on their fingers. They’re though not up to last season’s standard, but capable.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
--not helping Schultz's case
but Orpik has a GA/60 of 2.54, better than Volchenkov.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Volchenkov plays with worse teammates against better competition.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, just pointing out some raw numbers
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Screwed that up. Volchenkov plays against better comp, but with better teammates.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Yes, Orpik is good defensively, but he’s not better than Seabrook or Regehr. And Regehr is way underrated by this poll, IMO.
The thing is, even among hockey fans, Greg Zanon and Chris Phillips are not exactly household names. Being a defensive defenseman who is good at his job makes a lot of these guys pretty invisible.
Orpik isn’t invisible, so he’s at the top of the list.
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Wow, how much has Komisarek (injuries notwithstanding) fallen off the face of the planet. I wouldn’t even think of putting him on that list now. . .
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Kinda hard to say “injuries notwithstanding.” He missed half of last year and most of this year. That’s going to take his reputation down a peg. It’s not like he’s actually been playing and just sucking.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
From everything I’ve heard/seen, Regehr’s not having the greatest of years. In terms of “total career,” I might take him, but I’ve been really impressed with Murray each and every time I’ve watched him play. He completely frustrated Ovie when we were out in SJ.
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I’m not sure on Regehr – I’ve heard the same, but it seems like it’d trendy to bash Calgary’s defense so it’s kind of a chicken/egg situation.
Agree with you on Murray; really impressed when he played Washington. Just haven’t seen him too much, and when he did I was little concerned with his foot speed – although I guess this is as much about how productive guys have been as it is scouting them.
Yeah, he does look a bit slow, but he was all over Ovie like stink on poop.
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Though can’t remember reading where—FTF?—that he’s a little too concerned with the hit right now and still a 3rd pairing D. Probably a memory fail there.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Regehr hasn’t been very good this year, quite frankly. If I’m looking at a Flames player, I’m looking at Giordano.
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by Knee high to a duck on Mar 15, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Had Ovi’s hit on Campbell been before the trade deadline, can you imagine the headline?
“Cap’s hit on Campbell caps Campbell’s cap hit.”
Say that ten times fast.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
"Campbells No Longer Coming: Cap’s Hit on Campbell Caps Campbell’s Cap Hit."
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
As bad as all three are, they are still miles better than “Drizzle Fo Shizzle.”
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Yeah, what about them possibilities?
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Are We Whiny?
Jeez, this must be pile on the Caps day at XM. Thistle and Boomer on XM Home Ice just said Caps fans are the whiniest fans in the league and they’re we’re always complaining that their team doesn’t get any respect. No way. We never whine.
Nope, just elitist.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Mike Wise rears his ugly head.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
I like Scott Burnside slightly more now:
Just when you want to count Nashville out the plucky Preds jump back into the fray. Never mind the Jack Adams Barry Trotz for president.
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He’d make us an effective, if not flashy, country.
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We’d never be outworked! ;)
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But then we’d be focusing even more on defense!
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Except it would be actual defense. Like shields n shit.
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Shit shields?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 15, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Trotz looks like he could have been part of the Soviet Communist Party Secretariat
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Oh so true. Same with BB, though. Someone needs to photoshop either of them into a Soviet-era propaganda poster, holding a shoe, and saying “We will bury you.”
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BB does look a bit like Krushchev.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
greenlife52 is +31, second only to Sarge. Keith is +19. Voters don’t follow advanced stats I’m guessing. It’s a reputation question of course, and Keith is better at the defensive end BUT NUMBERS TALK GIMME GIMME GIMME
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You rang?
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by Ovechwin on Mar 15, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovi suspended two games.
Fuck NHL hockey.
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by jordanDC on Mar 15, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
holy shit
what the FUCK. Thats completely bull.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing we can beat the Panthers’ ass without Ovi, I guess.
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shouldn't matter shit
That was not a suspendable hit.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever Colin Campbell should do, he does the opposite. Just to send a big “fuck you” to everyone who thinks they know better than him.
You had me at no problem.
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by Chris Burton on Mar 15, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, the victories won’t be a problem. This only affect the Hart, Art Ross, and Rocket Richard races.
You had me at no problem.
and nothing on Downie?
wow, just wow
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
well yea, but that’s history
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just coming here to post that it felt like it was going to be a 2 game suspension. Not surprising given the non-hockey fans throwing their idiot opinions around. Now we have to sit here scratching our heads why Downie wasn’t even considered to be suspended and it was the only play that looked absolutely malicious.
Whatever.
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I genuinely don’t understand this. Is it an anti-Caps thing, an anti-Russian thing, an anti-Ovie thing, or plain stupidity?
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Morrow I buy. Can’t comprehend the other two picks.
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Dallas is definitely the least underachieving team of the three, and Morrow has had a strong comeback from a knee injury last year. So I agree he is the most deserving of the three. But really it is just a dumb award. How in the hell are outside people supposed to rank the leadership qualities of NHL players? Just going to be another dumb trophy awarded on reputation.
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Post up to discuss the suspension.
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