Recap: Caps 4, Blackhawks 3 (OT)
by J.P. on Mar 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
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[AP Recap - GameCenter - Game Summary - Event Summary]
The term "statement game" was thrown around a lot before and during this afternoon's match-up with the Blackhawks in Chicago, and it will no doubt get some use in the wake of the Caps' 4-3 come-from-behind victory. But if a statement was indeed made by the Caps, it was one they've made often this season: we're a damn good hockey team... when we care to be.
For forty minutes, the visitors weren't terribly engaged - blame it on Daylight Saving Time, the time zone, losing their best player, playing a day game, etc. But once they started going to the net to create chances and draw penalties, the tide shifted in their favor and proved to be too much for a Chicago team that had given up a trio of third period tallies to the Flyers in a loss just a day earlier.
Ten more notes on the game:
- Let's get this out of the way up top: everyone is going to see what they want to in Alex Ovechkin's hit on Brian Campbell. Me? I saw a two-minute boarding minor that the on-ice officials were too scared to call when Campbell stayed down. There's no automatic suspension coming, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the game misconduct rescinded. But, like I said, people are going to see what they want to see in controversial hits like this.
- On to the good, and it starts with Nicklas Backstrom, who scored twice in the game's last 16 minutes, including potting the game-winner on an end-to-end rush that started with a superb backcheck to clean up his own mistake and ended by slicing through two of Canada's finest (Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith) before depositing the puck past Antti Niemi. Three of Backstrom's last eight shifts of the game resulted in Caps goals, with him assisting - and drawing a penalty - on the one he didn't score. Mercy.
- For all of the talk about the Caps' defensive woes, they deserve praise for the shutdown job they did on the Hawks, allowing just 23 shots on goal for the game (and just one in the third period), blocking 19 shots, outhitting Chicago 43-32, killing off all 5:56 of 4-on-5 power-play time they faced and allowing just a single goal at five-aside. But yeah, they play no defense.
- As to the goals they did allow, the first was the result of just awful communication between Joe Corvo and David Steckel, the second came after Alexander Semin turned a short-handed breakaway chance to tie the game into a goaltender interference call that put the Hawks up two men and the third came on a well-placed deflection by John Madden. Tough to fault Jose Theodore on any of the three.
- Back to Steckel for a moment, he certainly didn't distinguish himself on that first Chicago marker, but made up for it by beating out an icing and setting up Eric Fehr for the game-tying tally that capped the Caps' three-goals-in-2:16 run. He also had a game-high seven hits and a team-high three blocked shots.
- As for Fehr, he scored on his only shot of the game and skated just 12 shifts all afternoon (only Ovechkin skated fewer). The mind continues to boggle.
- Rough afternoon for Tom Poti, who was on the ice for all three Blackhawks goals (at least, according to NHL.com).
- And rough afternoon for the Caps in the dot, winning only 39% of the game's face-offs. Take out Eric Belanger's 10-for-17 and the Caps' other pivots combined to go 9-for-32 (28%), including Tomas Fleischmann's 1-for-6 effort (Flash was also the only forward not to register a single shot on goal).
- Mike Green had two assists a plus-two rating and was on the ice for three goals for and none against on the day in 30:23 of ice time. Very solid game from him.
- Give Mike Knuble that many chances around the net in a game again, and I guarantee he scores at least one and probably more. He also played with a bit more snarl than usual, perhaps a sign that he knows it's getting close to "go" time.
Today's win - in a tough building against an outstanding team and without the League's best player - was nice, but leaves Caps fans wondering when the team will start putting together "statement games" of another sort, the kind that say, "We can dominate a full sixty minutes of hockey."
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@NateEwell was right.
It’s been 41 games since Ovi’s last game misconduct for boarding so it’s NOT an automatic suspension.
From the NHL rulebook
When a player or goalkeeper has played in 41 consecutive regular League games without being assessed a boarding and/or a checking from behind major and a game misconduct according to Rules 42 and 44, he will have the previous game misconduct penalties removed from his current record. They will remain part of his historical record.
Только игра! Почему надо быть сумасшедший?
Please, the NHL Suggestion Book calls for an automatic ten game suspension of a player who makes contact with an official yet Collin Campbell rescinded that suspension for Dan Caricillo just a week ago.
I seriously wonder why the NHL even bothers printing those things.
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All to “protect” a shitbag like Carcillo.
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Should we add players’ teams to the NHL Disciplinary Flow Chart as in 1) If guy is Flyer or Penguin, do not suspend; Else if guy is Cap or Hab, then suspend?
Okay, okay, maybe officials don’t really take the team into consideration and there shouldn’t be any conspiracy theories but……
Maybe it’s entirely coincidental that Pens and Flyers have gotten away with stuff that resulted in penalties for Canadiens and/or Caps. It’s probably more capriciousness than anything else.
BTW, I’m not a Habs fan.
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Ok but maybe this “play a 60 minute game” meme is just that and not a real thing. There’s always another team involved and you can’t expect to dominate the league’s 2nd best team the entire game – they’re gunning for you just as much, and playing their own 60 minutes.
Fact is, the Caps did play 60 minutes – well, 63 – and came out a goal ahead. The Caps’ game is to out-talent the other team and make enough of their many chances to come out on top. They did.
It’s unrealistic to assume you can play at such a high tempo for 60 minutes to wipe out a team like the Hawks. Just scoring one more goal than that team is something to take pride in.
by katzistan on Mar 14, 2010 4:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with this. Penalties like Semin’s on the breakaway were not playing a solid 60 minutes of hockey.
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Alexander Semin is one of the greatest, most talented hockey players in the game. A hockey stop or turn would have sufficed to prevent him from taking a penalty there. Hockey stops and turns are two of the most basic skating skills.
So you’re telling us that one of the greatest players in the game failed to execute one of the most basic skating tasks, and it was because he “tried and failed?”
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Suspect he was expecting contact and wanted to take the opportunity to run the goalie…unfortunately for him the contact never came so he didn’t have the excuse.
Caps tried their best to throw that one away, but failed, if that’s what we’re getting at.
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You are touting what Semin is a little over the top, IMO. He is prone to bad penalties at the wrong time. He is a fast skater and has a deadly shot. He over-handles the puck at time, and not nearly the talent Backstrom. Seemed to me that he plays alot like Nylander, but Semin can and will actually shoot the puck and score—unlike Nylander. That being said, he could have avoided that penalty. But i think Caps fans have said that about alot of penalties in the past 2 years, specifically the stick violations.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I suck at hockey. I can hockey stop or turn when I need to. Semin is a much, much better player than I am. Had he tried, he would have avoided the goalie.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
He was trying to score a goal, and he put that priority over trying to stop and not hit the goalie. If he puts the puck in the net it doesn’t matter if he hits the goalie afterwords. It’s a risk reward equation, but it’s a question of decision making, not effort.
Honestly, if he puts that puck in the net nobody is questioning him running over the goalie or questioning his decision making. He tried and he failed, just as the earlier poster put it.
He was trying to score a goal. However, my point was that he didn’t try terribly hard to avoid the penalty, for whatever reason. Maybe he thought he’d get pulled down. Maybe he thought they wouldn’t call it. Maybe he just didn’t think at all.
I’ll tell you what he didn’t do: try to avoid hitting Niemi.
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…and maybe he just ran out of space.
C’est la vie.
I swear, y’all love to shred Semin every chance you get . Sure, he gave you a BIG chance this time – and I agree, he should have veered off or something, but he was trying to score, to get his team back in the game.
Ooops.
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Ran out of space on a breakaway from the red line in?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with you on that one, IRTR. I also realize he should have veered off but…..
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Yeah, SRSLY. Dude’s skating in at 30 MPH.
Doesn’t matter in the long run: we WON.
Quitcher bitchin’, folks, and revel in the win.
Could we have done some things better? Sure we could have.
Did we? No.
But… life happens.
And two points in the W column is two points!
I’ll take it.
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by IRockTheRed on Mar 14, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t matter in the long run: we WON.
then why discuss the game at all?
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if the two folks who have never played hockey agree, then it must be true.
Also, did you miss the part where I said this:
Alexander Semin is one of the greatest, most talented hockey players in the game.
But yeah. I think he sucks.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You think that the Caps were sufficiently engaged through two periods?
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Caps had their moments in the first until OV was ejected. Other than penalty killing, sleepwalked until the end of the second. Penalties put the Hawks on their heels in the third and the Caps showed enormous heart and grit to get back into it.
Hawks have to be concerned after blowing the game against Detroit last Sunday, yesterday’s vs. Philly and today. You nailed it, J.P.
I’m just saying there’s two very good teams involved here – it’s not just about what the Caps want or don’t want to do. Maybe the Hawks playing their top-notch game makes other teams look “unengaged”. They are the #2 team in the league after all.
by katzistan on Mar 14, 2010 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And we are Number 1. So when we aren’t doing anything, I generally believe it’s because of us. When we want to go after it and win puck battles, we are almost impossible to stop. I didn’t see the urgency or intensity in the first two periods, for whatever reason. But I agree with J.P. that this wasn’t just a case of us playing hard and another team giving us a good battle.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, so Caps are floating when they’re not scoring on every shift while giving up no goals. Even against the league’s next best team.
by katzistan on Mar 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chicago was in the second of a back to back and playing with 5 defencemen most of the game. Caps should have taken it to them all game, but were clearly being outworked in the first two periods.
That’s not what I’m saying. Did you see them putting the puck in deep and hitting? Did you see them sustaining any pressure? Did you watch those first 40 minutes thinking “man, they really want this game; they came to play”? I didn’t. Maybe we just saw it differently. I’m not unreasonable; I don’t expect us to score every shift. But I do expect a team that thinks they are Cup contenders to come out fired up and play with some urgency against another Cup contender. I just didn’t see it until the third.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they looked OK until Semin’s goaltender interference penalty. The initial stages of the 5min PK were excellent.
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True. They were doing a great job on the major kill and that Semin non-goal/PIM was a horrible momentum swing for the Caps. A slapshot from the blueline would have been better.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
To a satisfactory extent? No. But enough to win? Yes. I’m sure none of us would care if they kept winning like this. Thing is though, it’s more unlikely they win when playing poorly.
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i think in the 2nd, with Ovie out, they wanted to limit mistakes and slow things down, as their game plan was obviously different. Ovechkin generates a lot of offense and brings a physical presence. Without him, teams play differently against Washington, and the Caps played easier (and less inspired) because of it.
They owned the 3rd period.
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
In the first period, yes. I thought the Caps played very well in the first period considering that they spent a very good chunk of it killing penalties. For our Penalty Killing on the road to limit the damage the way they did I was rather pleased.
They did seem out of sorts for a good part of the second period but when they were on they weren’t getting rewarded. Some great goaltending my Niemi and a post hit is testimony to that.
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I don’t think it’s about dominating. It’s about trying. For example, long moments when Semin wasn’t using his brain or Fleischmann wasn’t hustling to the puck.
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 14, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
For Fleischmann, that “long moment” was a little over 17 minutes.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So can Hawks make same argument about the goals they gave up? It was only about their heads being somewhere else, or not trying hard enough. Not about Caps being actually better in those moments.
by katzistan on Mar 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the Hawks can legitimately claim that they were fatigued. Not that it’s an adequate excuse, but I’m sure that’s what they’re thinking.
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Ovechkin > Campbell + Hossa ?
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To lift from J.P.‘s tweet, I’ll say Backstrom > Seabrook + Keith.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Seabrook and Keith have 2 gold medals combined. What has Nick ever done?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nick got one of those gold medalists to undress in game?
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, no excuses. You can play that after every game.
Fact is it’s a 60 minute game of averages. The better team doesn’t win every shift, just the majority of them. That’s what the Caps did today, they just proved they are a better team.
by katzistan on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It looked better when Keith and Madden combined on a beautiful goal. Again, the Caps didn’t look like they cared all that much.
From the Second City Hockey recap. Looks like they didn’t see the Caps trying too hard for the first two periods either.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Playing a 60 minute game and dominating the other team for 60 minutes are two totally different things, especially when that other team is as quality as the Blackhawks. We can ask our team to show up for the first two periods (arguably, unlike today) without asking too much from them.
Every time Nicky scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 14, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Backstrom was heartbroken to learn that he will not be going to the Palm.
erskine has scored...now i can die in peace
but nobody won the palm since it was on nbc…
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
No CSN no Palm. But he did earn Milbury’s undying love and that is priceless.
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I hope we find a way to put a price on it, and soon.
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 14, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicky can get any “palm” he wants…not mine but I was considering making that offer after his ot winner.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nicky may get the palm, but Niemi’s face got all five fingers.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude!
You hacked my PopePalm!
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I will happily take Nicky to a steak dinner at The Palm. Who’s got his cell #? :)
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I wouldn’t fault Jose on the Madden goal either, but it does show how small he is. I think Semin had a very physical game which was nice to see, a little playoff atmosphere maybe on some of “our” players’ part.
Even though everyone is ready to throw Semin under the bus today, you can’t fault the guy for trying. Okay, we need some brakes here but it’s not a lack of effort.
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You keep saying this as though repeating it will somehow make it true.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I can keep saying that it’s sunny and 60 degrees out, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s actually 50 and raining one iota.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think sometimes Semin and Ovie try too hard and it shows. With Nicky, it almost seems effortless. I may be a little out on the limb here, but not much, in saying that Nick Backstrom may be the best all around player in the league. At least top 3. I think if he has not caught Alex as team MVP, he is right on his heels. With Semin, its risk reward. He will score for you and make some pretty plays, but you worry about when he will make a poor decision, or take an inopportune penalty. He has been better about that this year, as compared to last year though.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 14, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re definitely right on that point — on the two Alexes/Sashas trying too hard.
Risk/reward for Semin (which is also the case with Green, as well).
Semin will make a good play and then mess up in the end. He can be so awkward at times. He is so talented but yet he’s so awkward as well.
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Green and Semin have both gotten better. Green has gotten much better lately. He seems to have really matured in the past 2 months, if that is even possible. But he seems older and wiser. The 2 plays that kill me for Semin—-which, in fairness to him, have been fewer and farther between- are the cross ice passes just inside the offensive zone that go awry, and the offensive zone stick violations. He wants that puck so bad and wants to make the “fabulous” play sometimes and causes defensive problems. On a slight side note, that goal in the TB game on Friday by Tampa just before intermission to make it 1-1, was slightly troubling to me in that Ovie seemed to slow down and then not get back into the play when he clearly could have. For all i love about the offense these guys produce, I really hope they fully understand the committment to team defense that the playoffs are going to require. I dont worry about that with Nicky. Its fun to watch in the reg season, but i dont want to be a reg season wonder like the Sharks when this team could do so much more if they really start to clamp down and play smart. I guess we will see which way it goes in about 4 weeks or so…
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree on Nicky.
He is just absolutely amazing. He never misses a game – not a whole one, anyway, and the three or four (tops) migraines he’s had since I’ve been watching him? I get those too, and can’t imagine even TRYING to play hockey, let alone doing it, with one.
Nicklas Backstrom is, IMO, an absolutely terrific underrated player.
Let’s keep it that way. He stole this game for us, and I’d rather folks underestimate his phenomenal abilities than pounce all over him like they do Ovechkin. :-)
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No kidding. More and more expensive by the day.
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
And worth every penny. That being said, sooner = fewer pennies.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
Carlson was also standing around on the crease when Madden scored. Dear God I hope he didn’t just hit his wall after his 12th game.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll go with the whole “first full year in the pros” meme, combined with playing only one decent team in a month (Buffalo), but I’ll hope/presume this is the exception.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We can hope so, but this is exactly what D’ohboy and I were afraid of when they decided to call him up and burn an RFA year so late in the season.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
As usual, he had his ups and downs within a game. For whatever reason teams tend to pin the Capitals in the zone when 26-74 are on the ice, especially earlier in the game. In the third and OT I thought he was stellar.
In the third and OT I thought he was stellar.
How much of that is because the forwards finally showed up?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It didn’t hurt. Sometimes I think he panics when he gets control of the puck in his own end and settles for chipping it ahead five feet to nobody in particular instead of hanging onto it for an extra half second and starting a controlled breakout. Seems correctable.
Yeah, as he gets comfortable with NHL speed he’ll learn he can hold the puck for another beat. I’m just not sure he’ll learn that lesson this season.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Who from the press box would you replace him with? He might just be the best choice.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I don’t know about the press box, but if he’s going to look tentative and make rookie mistakes we could have just called up Alzner. He’s already burned the RFA year. We didn’t need to burn Carlson’s.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You go both ways.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Explains why Natty always takes your side…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing i didn’t black out at any point on friday night.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Or try to drive home. Wait… did you?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i tipped the bartender for three straight waters before i left. then i downed a 10 piece mcnuggets before taking my time getting back to my car. no danger on friday. plus i had d’ohboys military strategy theories to sober me up…
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Jesus. Sorry about that. I got a bit chatty after the Delirium.
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Dude, you’re an ex-GI too? Awesome.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. 2/75.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
1/8 (FA). Hope that explains my inherent dumb-assedness.
"You can hit the streets or the sheets, it don’t make Dynamite no nevermind. That’s your bag, baby. You can go or you can come, can you dig it."
by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh jeebus, a gun-bunny?
J/K. Are you still active? I’ve been out for a decade as of. . . pretty much this month.
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Funny story, the guy who became my section chief asked if there was anyone that could type. I raised my hand and became a 75B DMOS for the rest of my time in.
Been out since ‘95, did my active time at Schofield Barracks and got out; it really couldn’t get any better than that.
"You can hit the streets or the sheets, it don’t make Dynamite no nevermind. That’s your bag, baby. You can go or you can come, can you dig it."
by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, man, I LOVED Ft. Lewis. Schofield is nice, but HI can get a little stifling after a while.
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Don’t hate on HI or me and Natty are gonna have to give you what for.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
see! this is exactly the complaint you’ll hear about hawaii. “stifling,” “stranded,” “nothing to do.” these people don’t know how to fully appreciate perfect weather.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding? I only had to clean out that island mud twice a year for PTA deployments. Fuck a FTX; I had much more fun getting drunk downtown.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I take one look at those hills and imagine humping a radio up them and suddenly Ft. Sill doesn’t look so bad. :)
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I did the Mauna Kea roadmarch on my last one, and I’d never been more gassed in my life.
But getting to the top of it was the shit.
"You can hit the streets or the sheets, it don’t make Dynamite no nevermind. That’s your bag, baby. You can go or you can come, can you dig it."
by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankfully, they never made us go up Rainier. Some guys would always go up during block leave in the summer, but I never attempted it.
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Funny story about Sill; we were going on our last road march of basic, when a twister jumped the tracks and headed for the building. It wasn’t funny because we were all running back to the building, it was funny because one of the DIs actually yelled a countercolumn march order as we were running back.
"You can hit the streets or the sheets, it don’t make Dynamite no nevermind. That’s your bag, baby. You can go or you can come, can you dig it."
by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha! I don’t even know how to execute a counter-column march. I’d just yell out, “en route, fall out and un-ass to the nearest shelter.”
I have a similar story from Benning when I was down there for RIP. Just walking back from the PX and the sky turned black and the MPs started telling everyone to get inside because a tornado had touched down like 1/2 mile away. I don’t think I’ve ever run so fast in my life.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tell me about it. Before or since, scared the crap out of me.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
schofield! gots nothing on hickam’s O’club though (could be said of any army base…excuse me, army post).
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you guys always had better booze and food selections. Must have been the good part of not having to get up until 0930.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
USAF always has better chow.
Also, they’d never let me get within a mile of the O club.
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and you wonder why we thought you’d be a fat-ass…
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
How did you not realize this yet?
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
just giving you a hard time. it’s good to hear you take the same passion to other realms of analysis. oh, and now that you’ve told us about your power rankings formula, there’s no backing out of that fanpost. i’m going to remind you.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s right! Now he has to do it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you guys on this one, I’d much rather had him taking his lumps/getting his learning curve in October ’10 rather than March.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this is exactly what D’ohboy and I were afraid of when they decided to call him up and burn an RFA year so late in the season.
…at the expense of Alzner staying in Washington and finding some goddamned consistency…
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 14, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Carlson’s BehindtheNet stats are still nasty. I’m fine with him being top 6 until there is compelling evidence to suggest he shouldn’t be.
I think both Carlson and Alzner’s numbers are from too small a sample, and BB is definitely protecting both.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Its nice how far we have come in 2 years where winning is just not enough anymore. I thought the defense played fabulous today for the most part against a good team on the road. Carlson is playing fine. Nothing glaring or repetitively troubling.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the other side to this is that he was in a rhythm and playing well, got a healthy scratch in the last game, and had the unenviable task of going from thinking to instinctive play against a team as talented as the Blackhawks at lightspeed. Play him every day BB.
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Carlson was also standing around on the crease when Madden scored
Given where Madden scored from, I find it hard to say the D should be out that high.
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You may be right. And as D’ohboy said, going to the net is never completely wrong for a D. I’d have to watch the play again but when both of your D are basically standing still in the low slot and a man is open in the high slot I’m not a huge fan.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Floaty McFlash was straight chilling in no-man’s land.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well obviously I caught that. And his weak ass clear attempt.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Please note… it was Carlson who took the last shift in regulation with the score tied.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Noted. And impressed.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank God, I’d hate to go to that game and wear a road 8 for no reason (even if I packed a road 19 packed in the bag).
Flash from the dot continues to inspire apathy.
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Hjalmarsson gets the third star for what? Getting beat to the puck by Steckel and allowing it to be turned into the tying goal?
that does seem ridiculous, doesn’t it? i noticed hjalmarsson three times during the game, and none of them were positive.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He did have a very nice assist on the first Hawks goal. That’s about it for the positive plays I noticed though.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 14, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
semin needs some breakaway help
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by Caps Canadian Connection on Mar 14, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
AO routinely buries breakaways, just not in shoot outs
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
AO routinely buries breakaways
If only.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like Ovie overthinks shootouts. On breakaways most of the time he keeps it simple, fake shot, then maybe a single deke or two at most. Shootouts, he tries to get in too tight and put on too many moves, I think.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
which is why his scratch against the Rags was particularly cruel on the part of BB
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Unfortunately, the Rags played Auld, so it was irrelevant.
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Yes, but they played Auld thinking Bradley was going to be in the lineup, right? Right?
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by souldrummer on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Backstrom!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Lars Nicklas Backstrom in 3 months:
Только игра! Почему надо быть сумасшедший?
by cobracg on Mar 14, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought Niemi was the best player for the Hawks. Made some just amazing saves. If not for him, it would not have been close.
Agreed, but he needed to save Backstrom’s GWG and could have played Backstrom’s first goal better.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The rebound he gave up on Laich’s goal was absolutely horrific, and that was a hugely important goal too as it started the rally. He made some nice saves, but didn’t look particularly good on most of the goals. I definitely don’t think that Niemi was their best player, or that he even had a very good game.
The thing that kept the game close was the Caps not showing up for the first two periods, not Niemi.
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by Killer_Carlson on Mar 14, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
When we are down 5 on 3 i want Schultz and two forwards to start. If we have to change for a second unit then I guess put Poti out. But tonight Poti showed why he should not be our Go-To PKer, especially not at 5 on 3. His stick was in perfect position to take away the end boards!
Aside from being brutal on the dot, Flash was brutal on the Madden goal. No hustle, very little effort (to put it nicely) and absolutely no defensive urgency. If he disappears in the playoffs (as I suspect) then I wouldn’t mind letting him go for some draft picks. Fehr absolutely deserved more ice tonight than Flash, and he could barely crack half as much ice.
Corvo will get some grief for the 4/4 goal, but IMO that’s all on Steckel. There simply is never a defensive situation where the C is supposed to abandon the opposing C following a defensive zone face off loss.
Toews is good. Thank God PIT didn’t draft him. I don’t care how many excuses Hooks Oprik throws my way, Shero simply botched that one.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed that Stecks is more culpable on that goal.
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Could not agree more about the Steckel-Corvo SNAFU. Corvo had his guy, Steckel hesitated, lost his man, then started skating out to help Corvo cover Kane. Absolutely brutal. He made up for it somewhat with that great hustle play. Still, I’m sick of him being out there as one of our default PK guys.
That 5-3 goal was avoidable for so many reasons. Still, I thought before the major started that I’d be happy if the Caps came out the other side only down 2-0.
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The lack of Fehr is becoming maddening. He’s been playing some of his best hockey, defensively and offensively, lately and he gets single digit minutes?
I still disagree with you on Corvo/Steckel. It makes more sense for the guy with inside positioning to move up toward the puck than someone who is behind the puck try to catch up to it.
It’s still a goal against on Steckel — on the replay you could clearly see he saw Corvo skating out and he should have realized it was a 4 on 4 and that there was an open man behind him.
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That’s not how post-faceoff responsibilities work, though. The center’s job is to tie up the opposing center. The opposing center was Toews. Steckel failed to tie up Toews.
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Further, that’s not how 4 on 4 hockey works. At 4/4 you play man-to-man because you don’t have the time to slide to cover zones; you leave too much open ice and get burned. So you have everyone cover one guy and stay with them. Normally, in the flow of the game the Fs take the D and the D take the Fs. But on a defensive zone face off the C starts with the C and doesn’t switch assignments until the puck clears.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Responsibilities are great and all but I’d rather people play the puck than something on a chalkboard. I don’t get why you want someone out of position (Corvo was pretty far behind the puck) just because that’s how things work. Steckel should have saw and did something other than chill out and enjoy the view.
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How was Corvo “behind the puck?” Kane was his guy, he took him right off the draw. He might not have been right on top of him, but he was a heck of a lot closer than Steckel. Steckel, on the other hand, just stood there.
There’s a reason that coaches draw up faceoff responsibilities on blackboards. It’s to avoid clusterfucks like what you saw when Steckel completely missed his assignment.
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Responsibilities are great and all but I’d rather people play the puck than something on a chalkboard.
Then you just have men’s league hockey and you’d get smoked by any NHL team.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s true until the puck leaves the circle, then it’s the center’s job to get out to the point on a 4 on 4.
Let's go Caps!
Um, no. That’s the other F’s job.
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The other forward went out to the other point, as he was supposed to. If Corvo has Kane, then Toews is Poti’s responsibility once the puck leaves the circle.
Let's go Caps!
Poti floated a bit in front of the net, but right off the draw, that’s his job. Maybe he could have had his head on a swivel and picked up Toews behind him, but he didn’t do that. As for the other forward, he didn’t cover his point, either. If you re-watch the goal, Corvo was pretty much the only guy doing something productive.
Now, it’s possible the Caps have a completely different faceoff assignment system than every other team in the NHL, but I doubt it. Steckel stood there and watched the puck, neither covering Kane, nor the point man. Backstrom played Kane instead of Hjalmarsson like he should have. Poti stood in front of the goal, which isn’t the worst thing he could have done.
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Well, you’d have to ask BB, but it’s extremely uncommon for teams to have defensive zone assignment-swaps in 4 on 4 play because it leaves you so vulnerable. Given the C-on-C and man-on-man dynamics of 4/4 I think it’s most likely that Steckel blew that assignment.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
When the puck was shot in by Toews, there was one Capital player not next to a Blackhawk: Poti, and one Blackhawk alone: Toews. Poti was playing a zone as if the Caps were on the PK or were at 5 on 5. He should have been focused on Toews once the draw was lost since Corvo was on Kane.
Let's go Caps!
So Steckel wasn’t in no-man’s land?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Steckel was supposed to get out to Hjalmarsson who made a terrific pass before Steckel got there.
Let's go Caps!
Ok. Now you’re just smoking something. If anything, his responsibility was Campbell.
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So you’re saying that Steckel’s responsibility after losing the draw was to skate all the way over to the other side of the ice, essentially criss-crossing with Backstrom, so that he can get out to cover Hjalmarsson and Backstrom can go cover Campbell.
That would be epically stupid.
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Ok, I misspoke after looking at it again. Steckel went out to Campbell, Backstrom went to Hjalmarsson. Even then, Poti was playing the bottom right zone as opposed to getting out on Toews.
He knew Corvo has Kane, Poti should have had Toews.
Let's go Caps!
Ok, if Poti wasn’t guarding anyone, who the hell was Steckel guarding, THE INVISIBLE MAN???
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He was guarding Croooooooooooooooooooosby!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? That was Backstrom’s man…
Go watch the video again, already.
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If Steckel thought that Hjalmarsson > Toews on a man advantage, that may be a slightly bigger indictment.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Frak on the situation, but doesn’t the contention stand?
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Four on four is man-to-man. Four-on-five you play zone… very different way to play defense.
Let's go Caps!
Again, when you see your defenseman go way the fuck out, and you see an opposition D and a red 19, don’t you even keep an eye on the red 19, even a little?
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He blew it according to what Corvo did and he should have seen it. Even if it was Corvo’s fault, the center is the guy who should clean things up.
I disagree with you on who should have been responsible for who but you cannot argue that it was a goal against Steckel. That really, really needs to get sorted out because that was a backbreaking goal.
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The lack of Fehr is becoming maddening
But alas, it’s the same situation it’s always been. He plays 3rd line, he doesn’t kill penalties and is too far down the depth chart to get much PP time. Plus he doesn’t strike anyone as the type of guy who you put out 4-on-4. That’s the ice time he’s going to get until he cracks the top 6.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
It’s a hard “Top 6” to crack. If he were a left wing, he would be in the top six for Tuesday’s game but he’s not.
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No, Flash on the first line and Laich on the second line. Unless they wish to put Chimera as the first line left wing.
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so you’re assuming an ovechkin suspension? personally, i’d like to see fehr get a permanent spot as the second line RW across from semin.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll admit I’m assuming an Ovi suspension. Maybe we’ll be lucky and he won’t get suspended but I’m not counting on it.
They tend to like to use Sasha as RW so he and Ovi can be on the ice at the same time during shift transitions. But I’d also be interested in what would happen if we put Fehr with Semin.
But if Ovi’s suspended, then the reason for Semin being at RW is moot. Unless they prefer him and Laich to stay together.
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I disagree about Steckel. 4 on 4 means man to man defense. Forwards on the defense. Corvo lined up with Kane, so that was his man, meaning Poti has the center (Toews, the goal scorer). Steckel’s job as the center in 4 on 4 is to get out to the point if the draw is lost (which it was). Poti was in a zone defense, which is correct if this is a PK situation, but 4 on 4 isn’t a PK.
Poti ended up in no-man’s land and one great pass and equally good shot, and the Caps are down 1-0.
Let's go Caps!
Steckel’s job as the center in 4 on 4 is to get out to the point if the draw is lost (which it was).
Except that’s not true. It’s the other forward’s job to get out there.
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Once the puck clears the zone, yes. But not just when it leaves the face off circle. But as I said, you’d really have to ask BB.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine he doesn’t want Toews uncovered ever… Poti wasn’t checking anyone when the puck went in.
Of course some credit to the Hawks… Toews and Kane are terrific players, they took advantage of the mix-up.
As for BB, I would say he would blame them all, since it was a missed assignment by someone and they all gave up the goal…
Let's go Caps!
To defend Poti:
He actually played a good role in the Backstrom OT winner. Watch the replay, Lars carries it in, but Poti drives the net and made Keith pick him up so he wasn’t ready for Backstrom
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Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
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by EmilyB on Mar 14, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really? I adore Stecks, but I didn’t think he was a shining example in this game. Might have chosen Knuble or Theo or Backstrom or Fehr…
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 14, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Stecks had a great game!
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‘Twas his hustle getting to the puck for the icing call/Fehr’s GTG as won him the RHH.
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Game tying goal for Fehr, just to be picky. Backstrom had the game winner.
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Understood, I just thought this wasn’t his best game and other guys had better sustained efforts today. But my perspective is limited.
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 14, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He still lost the face-off for that one. And then we would have killed that penalty.
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So what exactly was Steckel doing? Was standing there in the faceoff dot gawking at Kane skating with the puck his “assignment?”
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Not when the puck got to the point. At that point Poti should be on Toews as opposed to standing alone as the puck is on the other side of the rink.
Let's go Caps!
I feel that Shaone Morrisonn has been playing his best hockey of the year since moving to the third line with Carlson. He’s hitting, jumping in plays, shooting more, and generally been solid. Good time of year to peak.
Agree wholeheartedly. He’s been playing very well using the body and not making mistakes.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
74-26 desperately need to be moved up to the top 4. They’re both feeding off of each others intensity and their playing style seems to be very cohesive.
I just wish ShaMo didn’t have that horrible turnover otherwise they’d be the 2nd pairing.
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They may be the 2nd pairing yet. Or a third pairing that gets a lot of ice time for a third pairing. And can play enough to “rest” the first pairing for a few shifts.
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Sounds like Juice-Karl
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly, the two items I’ve read about the Ovechkin hit both say he shouldn’t be suspended, and at least one from a source I didn’t expect (Burnside, who I hate with a passion).
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Well, I had two cats and my wife to keep me company as my blood pressure fluctuated from non-existent to being launched into space…
1) First of all, kudos to my wife when she asked why they keep taking stupid penalties in the attacking zone. Sure Ovie’s call should not have been a major, but it was a boarding penalty in the attack zone behind the play. Ditto for Semin’s hooking (which was really stupid) and hit goaltender interference while the Caps were shorthanded (which was even more stupid). Great video shot of Semin’s “Me?” when he got called by NBC… Semin never commits any penalties. Just ask him.
2) The two cats who were next to each other on the sofa normally get all hissy with each other, but I think they were too lazy to do anything…
3) In the first part of the game, the Caps looked pretty good and were getting some good chances up until Ovie’s penalty.
4) Knuble had lots of good chances today… he may be about to go on a tear that will hopefully go on until June.
5) Nick showed every kid in youth hockey about what to do when you make a mistake. Don’t pout and scream at yourself, just get back at it and get back into the play. Considering he coughed up the puck, stole it back, then went end to end to to put the puck past the Niemi…
6) Props to Niemi. He played a great game and robbed the Caps on several occasions. Theo had a good game, but Niemi was better despite the loss.
OK NHL Media, the Caps came from down 3-0 in the third period to win a game without Alex Ovechkin and playing with 11 forwards. The Caps aren’t a one man team… they’ve got lots of them…
This game reminded me of a game back in 2008 against Atlanta. The Caps looked pretty bad heading into the third. The team was in the dumps and came back to rally and win. And who was the first star: Nick Backstrom. This may be the turning point for the Caps… and this may be the game they point to when they say what was the biggest moment of the season….
Let's go Caps!
You could say that looking back to January Knuble is already on a tear.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, yes.
Every time Nicky scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 14, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
I remember that game and that’s always what I think to myself when were down by two or more in a game in the third
by washfan29 on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
5) Nick showed every kid in youth hockey about what to do when you make a mistake. Don’t pout and scream at yourself, just get back at it and get back into the play. Considering he coughed up the puck, stole it back, then went end to end to to put the puck past the Niemi…
Took the words right out of my mouth brotha.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
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3-point shooting contest, anyone?
by not in vancouver anymore on Mar 14, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to say though, that the game today was more reminiscent of this game back in 2008.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
my favorite comment of the day was when Pierre McGuire said about 3 minutes into the 3rd period that this is a statement game for the Blackhawks.I really enjoyed re-watching the 3rd period after it was over. Sooooo, whats the statement now?? That they can play 2 periods but not 3??
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 14, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fehrness
- sat ovi’s 5 min minor, I don’t thinkhe plays the pk and not sure how much pp time he gets either. Those are big chunks of the game today. He certainly does deserve more than 4th line minutes.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Should read “#16 sat ovi’s”
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. But he gets some PP time. I can’t understand why he gets no PK time since he’s usually a good Plus/Minus player. Some people say he can’t skate well but I’ve seen him get plenty of breakaways. And he doesn’t take too many penalties.
Should Fehr move up to the 2nd line for next game?
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Which line did he start on? Probably the odd man out when flash moved up to line 1.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
As well as Fehr is playing I don’t think he can crack into that line since Laich is playing just as well. Maybe if Semin really is injured as others have noted but…..
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I would move Fehr up, but BB won’t. I also think Fehr’s skating isn’t pretty but it’s also underrated.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It has improved, but it would be great to see him join Brooks for some power skating lessons this summer.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Maybe he should join Brooks.
Still, I wish to make a motion.
More PK for Fehr.
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No. He’s not nearly a good enough skater. We already get to watch Steckel flail about awkwardly on the PK.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
But you aren’t really playing offense on the PK.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Have you seen Fehr skate?
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Or take a shootout attempt?
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh
More PK for Fehr.
But at least Fehr has an upside offensively speaking.
But occasionally there’s a breakaway.
I know he’s bad at shootouts. But that’s not PK skills.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
With yourself.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Steckel though wins 60% of his draws. Which do you take?
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I take Gordon, because if he loses the draw, he’s not useless.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
With two PK units though, you have Gordon (I agree) on one, and then the other…still would rather have Steckel out there taking the draw (with Backstrom, I guess) and try and get Steckel swapped with Semin ASAP
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s been skating well enough. Guy is still putting up ridiculous GAON and GFON numbers. I’m going to cry if he isn’t on the team next year.
President and sole member of the Erskine lobby.
I will cry too. He’d put up wonderful stats if he got more of a chance.
Some people say that he gets good stats since he plays “weaker” competition. But he gets less ice time.
I don’t think the third line necessarily gets matched up with weaker competition. Maybe among forwards but not among defensive pairings.
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I think it’s true of defensive pairings. If you’re the opposing coach, you want you best guys out against Ovechkin and Backstrom and your second best against Semin, so process of elimination and all…
by David M. Getz on Mar 14, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Fehr could be the kind of guy, if healthy, who can go all John druce in the playoffs. Indont think you ring up back to back 50 goal seasons in the whl without a nose for the net.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Fehr doesn’t come out on the PK much, if at all. He probably wouldn’t have been on the ice even if he did serve the major which is why he did. Just completely stupid to keep a player that is in the zone on the bench.
President and sole member of the Erskine lobby.
Really.
Next question. Should we leave Chimmer on the 1st line for next game? (I’m assuming no Ovi for the next game but likely not as many games as I feared earlier.)
Or should we go back to Flash there?
Rocking the Red since 1975
After cooling down
I don’t think anything comes out of the Ovie hit. The NBC media immediate reaction was on his side, which is a huge deal.
That being said
Chimera is a beast and really solidified his place on at least the third line for the playoffs imo.
I think the fact that Campbell clearly stumbles on the way down helps ovi’s case. Without that campbell probably hits the boards standing up.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But Campbell did not return to the game, which doesn’t.
(But I bet we’ll see Campbell back next game.)
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Another reason that resulting injuries should have no bearing on disciplinary decisions. (Not a slam on you, CapsFan75, just a convenient place to say it.)
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Except it can be hard to determine “intent to injure” if someone doesn’t get injured.
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But thats when history and prior offenses needs to be taken into account, like Cooke. They refused to look into his past saying it had no bearing on that hit. I call BS.
I am still livid about that. I agree that he didn’t break any rules with the hit( which is an issue in itself); however, the ridiculousness of Campbell to not aknowledge Cooke has a dirty player is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
He has his own highlight reel of dangerous hits, deplorable moves, and actions with “intent to injure”.
Cooke should not be in the NHL
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
It did break a rule, as Cherry most astutely pointed out.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Intent to injure and elbowing maybe?
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
I think it was the shoulder. Still intent to injure.
by David M. Getz on Mar 14, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
With that, and Downie’s slew foot of Crosby today, Brian Campbell has to tread lightly with his suspension decisions
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
Colin Campbell is the NHL discipline czar.
Additionally (for the crowd), Colin’s son Greg plays for Florida. Brian is not related.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hah yeah, my b. I am getting my Campbells mixed up
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
It’s been amusing. Who knew there were so many Campbells? Surprised there aren’t more Smiths or Jones around. Or are there?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Too many damn Campbells for THIS Robertson to take!
(Clan Campbell was largely responsible for Clan MacGregor being outlawed, and Clan Robertson allied with Clan MacGregor against Cromwell… long story, but we Robertsons are not fond of Campbells AT ALL. My Ex’s grandmother was so Anti-Campbell, she refused to eat their soup (and that is only half a joke!))
Of course, I’m not entirely sure where Clan Russell comes into play in all this Highland nonsense from hundreds of years ago, but still…
You can blame the mead for this post. I’m being very silly tonight, and playing guitar until my fingers bleed, so… :-)
I need a snappy signature...
Sean Avery gets 6 games for being lewd. Cooke gets nothing for potentially ending a guy’s career.
Yay NHL!
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Well most of us can clearly see when a penalty is distinctly dangerous or is a deliberately malicious move
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
by kingzman264 on Mar 14, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(But I bet we’ll see Campbell back next game.)
Maybe not. There is a report (not confirmed) that he suffered a concussion, broken rib, and broken collarbone. If true, he’s done for the year
If you've read this far...seek help.
Looking at it, there is the hit, and there is the effect. What Ovechkin did was not an especially egregious play, physically. He pushed Campbell. In open ice, Campbell gets up and skates away. It’s the circumstance — Campbell was vulnerable and had no opportunity to brace himself for a full-on hit into the boards. And that led to the unfortunate effect.
This isn’t Ovechkin trailing Campbell and running his head into the boards (say, like Brooks Orpik on Erik Cole a couple of years ago). It was a shove. The effect was much greater than the hit.
Is Ovechkin to blame? That’s a tough call. In real time, does a player have time to process an answer to the question, “should I hit this guy?” When Ovechkin shoved Daniel Briere into the Sabre’s bench door frame a couple of years ago, you could fault Ovechkin for that. To me, this is a much tougher call. Campbell had just played the puck (although it was well off his stick when Ovechkin made contact).
This is going to be a continuing problem for Ovechkin, I fear. He might be, with the exception of Zdeno Chara, the most imposing physical specimen in the league.. This is a 235 pound player with speed who plays at a high tempo. I don’t think there is anything malicious in what he does (the folks on the Penguins’ unofficial boards certainly don’t agree), but it’s all too easy for him to overpower other players in that situation.
He isn’t subject to automatic suspension, but he could get time for being a repeat offender. I think this will be a tough call for the league.
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by ThePeerless on Mar 14, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s the repeat offender thing that has me worried as well. I fear that if he keeps getting 5 minute majors called on him at the rate he’s been getting them this year, it will be 3-4 per year which would result in quite a bit of missed time due to suspensions. Like about 10 or more games total combined per year.
That’s what had lead me to make an earlier hysterical post about 20 games.
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Fortunately, he’s played more than half a season since his last major, so he’ snot subject to automatic suspension.
The league will, of course, review the hit, but IMO, Campbell fell down.
Shit happens, and that’s hockey. Ovi, unlike Certain Other Players who Shall Remain Downie, doesn’t intend to hurt anyone, ever.
I just hope the league decides to be reasonable with this.
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Shit happens, and that’s hockey.
/Milbury’d
Although I totally agree. Injuries suck, obviously. But if you’re going to start treating every fluke injury as suspension-worthy you’re starting to disintegrate the hockey-ness of the sport.
To be clear, me saying “fluke” is not me saying Ovi’s hit wasn’t worth a penalty. But it shouldn’t be anything more than that.
Every time Nicky scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 14, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As Ed Frankovic pointed out on Twitter David Koci sending Mike Green into the boards didn’t get him a suspension, either.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Unfortunately, with the NHL, that means absolutely nothing.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Mar 14, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Soup Out?
Maybe he won’t be back this weekend:
we're not gonna allow someone like Downie to go after him.
But what will the tsn guys say?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
McGuire is also a TSN guy.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
But he doesn’t sit at that desk on game nights.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Only thing with McGuire is the star love. I think he’s a good analyst. But in this case, his opinion has to come with some salt.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m glad the media seems to be on Ovi’s side. It should have only been 2 minutes. (And I personally think that all of Ovi’s 5 minute penalties should have only been minors. Or, at worst, double minors.)
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Bingo!! he is bigger and stronger than everyone. Sometimes if you are too aggressive you take a penalty when you commit an infraction, intentionally or otherwise, but they are going off the deep end with the intent of major penalties, and then not calling blatant cheap shots. The inconsitency is horrible and then they try to overcompensate at the wrong time.Its not Ovies fault that Cooke is a dick. Huge stretch to even call that boarding. At least more than a minor. If Campbell takes that hit from most players, he doesnt even go into the boards, or fall down.
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 14, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And now Campbell is out for the year so they’ll probably throw the book at Ovi now.
Rocking the Red since 1975
Obviously really sh*tty when anybody gets hurt, especially for long periods of time but it still boggles the mind how punishment is dependent (I know non-officially but just the same) on the injury incurred. I have been pleasantly surprised by the level-headedness (new word?) of the media when discussing the hit tho.
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
[Fehr] sat ovi’s 5 min minor, I don’t thinkhe plays the pk and not sure how much pp time he gets either. Those are big chunks of the game today.
True, but he also played fewer 5-on-5 minutes than anyone else – Boudreau did give him more powerplay time than Fleischmann, though.
by David M. Getz on Mar 14, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, what “bounces” did the caps get? All goals were legit. Talk about bounces, talk about the hawks goal the bounced off the post, between theo’s legs back to toews ( I think) was a bounce. The you don’t scare me line is cute and expected from a guy who’s team got beat when they didn’t deserve to. Don’t think he really means it.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The first Backstrom goal was a little fluky.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
And so was Niemi’s save on Backstrom right before that if you want to play that card. It’s hockey, those are normal plays. It wasn’t a 175 foot goal. We’ve all seen pucks come off the end boards and go out front. Plus we hit at least two posts in the second period alone.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but there was like 30 seconds of Keystone Kops action preceding that.
I agree though, if we buried some of our earlier chances, this is a different game altogether.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Eh, you can call it Keystone Kops or a wild goal mouth scramble. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that kind of stuff precisely the reason you are told to crash the net? That all falls under the category of “normal hockey play” IMO.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Laich’s goal got a bounce. Backstrom’s 1st got a bounce. But so did the Hawks a few times.
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Laich’s was a rebound.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Yeah, should’ve written that he scored as a result of a bounce—the rebound.
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh, I’ll have to watch the highlights but they all seemed lik results of legit plays. Not like vinnys goal against the caps Friday night.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s one sort of crazy once-in-a-season bounce. The ones that happened were more commonplace.
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That’s why I don’t think it’s fair to say the Caps just got bounces. And it’s definitely ridiculous to say “they needed two penalties.” Suck an egg. You needed the two time Hart winner to get tossed to even have a chance.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Any idea when we will hear Campbell’s unfair retribution for Ovie?
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
Given ESPN’s vast array of hockey knowledge, they’re probably basing that call on it being Ovie previous suspension. Of course, that would mean they’re not aware that since 41 games have elapsed, the previous suspension doesn’t count. For what it’s worth, Burnside doesn’t think there should be any suspension.
ESPN has this lede to its story on the AO hit:
The Chicago Blackhawks’ run at full strength — for the first time all season — came to an abrupt end when the Washington Capitals’ Alex Ovechkin put defenseman Brian Campbell face-first into the end boards, midway through the first period of the Hawks’ 4-3 overtime loss on Sunday.
this might be true, if only hossa and kim johnsson weren’t both sitting out for chicago this afternoon.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
face first? really? must have gotten mad fun of when he was a kid for having his eyes located on his shoulder
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
Not even on the Second City blog
is there one single comment suggesting Campbell went face first, so I’m not sure what colored glasses ESPN is wearing. Dangerous, uncalled for? Yes. Face first, intent to injure? Didn’t see it.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched that, they said it was the automatic one-gamer.
Well, it IS ESPN…
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
-I’m guessing this will send visiting Caps fans into an uproar, but I would welcome seeing this team in June again. They needed two penalties and some bounces, and a team down a man coming off a game yesterday before deciding to play. Maybe you can make the argument that they only needed one period, and maybe that’s true. But I doubt it. Your size and depth is impressive, DC, but nothing that will have me quaking in the late-spring. Sorry.
SCH recap
Doesn’t really annoy me.
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I agree with the assessment of the game, but I also think it’d be foolish to draw conclusions based on one game played without the best player and captain.
by David M. Getz on Mar 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. It’s the whole deal with “We sucked” (Caps) vs “We played great” (Hawks) for the first two periods. It’s a mix of both.
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by red army line on Mar 14, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey twice in a row i find myself agreeing with you now….Pigs are flying!! Caps just playing out the string here, you know, pretty much turning it on or off as the mood strikes :) Running out of things to play FOR soon….13 more pts, not including tiebreakers, to clinch the conference…
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 14, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh. Not like Chicago didn’t need some bounces and a couple of penalties and a man down to go up by three.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
completely
agree. he thinks Ovi deserved a misconduct as well.
http://www.crgee.org/blog
Honestly I would welcome these teams playing in June, whole heartedly in fact. The fact of the matter is neither team impressed today. Let’s see a full line up for both and both with a day of rest between games and then let’s judge. If I was a Hawks fan I wouldn’t be overly impressed with the Caps, but as a Caps fan I am not overly impressed with the Hawks today. Lets see what we have in June, please….
I work with 7 penguins fans and this is really getting old....
Past two Hawks games are enough for me.
We won’t be facing them again this year.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
The caps beat the hawks in 16 minutes of the game. Nuff said.
They want to talk about lucky bounces and penalties? Um…not like we were down the best player in the world or anything. Or that they had a 5 minute major they didn’t score on, or a 5 on 3 and a slew of other penalties early. Toews 2nd goal was a bit lucky in that it bounced off the post through Theo and right to him. Niemi was pretty good but we also hit post more than a few times.
Caps have more skill than any team in the league, and when they play they dominate. Chicago a team that averags 36 SoG had 23, and the caps blocked a ton of shots, out hit them, out shot them, and they were “barely playing” According to SCH. Sorry but I would be worried if a team that half assed beat you without their star player either.
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
They actually did score on the 5 minute major. That’s how they got the 5v3.
Also, you can look at the 2nd goal one of two ways: lucky that Toews got the shot off the bounce, or unlucky because they didn’t score on the first shot that beat Theo but hit the post.
All that being said, I agree with your final statement. The Caps showed up for a period without their best player and beat Chicago on their ice.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
All I can hear is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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But also a very “not going to exist next year” team.
Unlike the Caps, the hawks are going to lose a lot of players because of the Salary cap next year. This is their year, they bet the future on it.
I agree totally about the stupidity of the average person. Horrifyingly, nearly 50% of people are even stupider!
The Hawks will lose John Madden to free agency and will have to fill that roster spot, as they could for Adam Burish and Colin Fraser. Plus, Antti Niemi will be arbitration eligible. The Huet contract is their “Nylander.” He’s not a number one (Niemi seems to have captured that role for the time being), and his contract is next to immovable. To get to the salary cap, they are going to have to move money. Players like Kris Versteeg ($3.1 million through 2012) or Dustin Byfuglien ($3.0 million through next year) might have to be moved.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Mar 14, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess I’m good luck. Had a basketball game till 2:30, turn on the radio, 3 goals, get back turn on the TV, OT winner.
by jaytown99 on Mar 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ovie's the engine
But Lars is the conductor.
Lars: “Show me the Money”
Memo to Lars:
Here are the teams that have mucho Cap space:
Nashville, Colorado, Islanders, St Louis Blues, Phoenix, Tampa Bay
Among those teams, Islanders and Tampa Bay are messed up operations
St Louis has been having troubles.
Nashville is doing decent this year but is a low budget operation
Phoenix and Colorado have turned it around after a horrible year last year. But Colorado let Wojtek Wolski go. Phoenix is a low budget operation.
The Caps are a better place to be than any of those.
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GMGM will pay him & even if someone on your list offers him a premium, he's going to stay here cause he knows he can win here
3-point shooting contest, anyone?
by not in vancouver anymore on Mar 14, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
welcome to Japers’ Rink, ms. vancouver.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tx, nice to be here
3-point shooting contest, anyone?
by not in vancouver anymore on Mar 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying it’ll happen, but if some team comes to Backstrom’s agent and offers 7 years/50 million, I think he signs that offer sheet. Then GMGM is in the predicament of having three players (Green, Ovie and Backstrom) taking up well over 1/3 of the projected cap if he matches the offer.
I think GMGM would match it, but it would totally hose our cap situation. Maybe Backstrom takes a slight discount to stay with a winning team, but at this point I’d be shocked if we could extend him for less than 6.5m/year.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
That’s what I mean, my friend who’s no longer in Vancouver. The best place for Nicky is …… here.
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So I think he’ll get it done here in the first place, rather than wait for offer sheets.
Backstrom vs 4 first rounders…I’m not really sure. Depends on the team, but I’m getting the feeling that it may be best to take the compensation and sign someone like Marleau to be 1C.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That is, if we’re talking a long term deal worth $9m per year or more for 19.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Pay Nicky. He’s a pro’s pro and a young talent that we watched developed right here before our eyes. It’s either him or Semin I think, and the choice is obvious. Semin has two effortless goals every 3 games. Nicky goes balls out every night.
Completely obvious. You would have to be entirely irrational to even begin to argue for Semin over Backstrom.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
fun time had by all at ESPNzone baltimore, btw. sparkly and irockthered were more than a little dismayed in the back of the room during the 2nd period, but it was all hugs and high fives when i cleared out. thanks for organizing, terpgrrl!
You’re welcome! It was my pleasure. Mike (who’s sn is escaping me right now) and I were talking about trying to get a small group together to watch the Caps/Canes game on Thursday at the Hudson Street Stackhouse.
I enjoyed seeing some new faces today! So thanks to everyone who came out!
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You made it home! Was it impossible to get out of the city? Everyone was late today for the night shift.
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Yep, I got back a little while ago. It wasn’t too bad, once I figured out where I was going, haha.
"No Brooks Laich, no win. Know Brooks Laich, know win."
I taped the game. Should I bother watching the first two periods?
Even atheists believe in Matt Wieters
fast-forward to ovechkin’s hit on campbell. fast-foward to the steckel-corvo miscue. fast-forward to BB’s interview with mcguire from the bench in the middle of the second. then watch the third period and OT.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hey I’m a bit confused here… the 2+2 on the high stick in the face of Semin… you only get 2+2 when the player’s face is wounded right? did the referee not notice that semin’s scar on the face was an old one or I’m I missing something here
He had blood on his chin.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Yeah, they showed a pretty clear shot of it.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
They also mentioned the preexisting scar on his lip and said the ref examined that to make sure that wasn’t the only wound – surprisingly good catch by NBC to not only say what the ref was investigating but also give us a closeup where we saw the blood under his chin.
“good catch” and NBC in the same sentence — go figure.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I know. Kind of scared myself there, too – not sure I’ve ever typed that before (or will again) unless it was sandwiched around “did not make a”.
Pitt wasn’t playing…..that’s why
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by RedskinFan4Life on Mar 14, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i had to re-watch when i got home from ESPNzone. definitely cut his chin; the lip scab was intact.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Green was on ice for three of the four Caps goals, +2, 2 assists.
Keith was on ice for those same three goals, as well as one of the three Hawks goals, -1, 1 assist.
Is this where the Norris voters have a heart attack?
No. Green will not win Norris until he puts up goal totals similar to last year again. IMO The “Green isn’t good defensively” meme is too pervasive at this point even though I don’t buy it.
I wasn’t suggesting that this game or anything Green does from here out will earn him the Norris, I’m merely nothing that this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of everything they’ve been dogging Green about and everything they’ve been raving about for Keith.
That was before Nicklas Lidstrom spoiled the voters.
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Rough afternoon for Tom Poti, who was on the ice for all three Blackhawks goals (at least, according to NHL.com).
He might have been on the ice for all three of them but so was Theodore – I’d be careful blaming either one of them. And I thought Poti actually made some really nice defensive plays, especially late in the game. Not a rough afternoon for Poti anywhere but on the scoresheet, imo.
He might have been on the ice for all three of them but so was Theodore
Really Becca? REALLY?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So what does that do to Theo’s Plus/Minus statistic?
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by CapsFan75 on Mar 14, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never thought you would throw your boy Theo under the bus just to prop up Poti. You must really love Poti. (Plus, you know that was a weak argument. Do I even have to shoot it down?)
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, reading fail on your part then – I was saying that the goals Poti was on the ice for were no more his fault than they were Theo’s, even though both were on the ice.
Lawyer’d. Or something.
Nope. Goalies play all 60. You could say “Theo was on the ice for every goal” any time he played. The reason you point it out when a skater is on is because there’s a difference between when they are on and off. Poti was on the goal for all 3 goals against. When Poti was off the ice, CHI didn’t score. That’s not good. You can try to explain why Poti wasn’t at fault for any of the goals, but saying “Theo was on the ice also” isn’t the way to do it. Plus, he looked fucking terrible on the 5 on 3 and just bad on the 4/4 and was at best invisible on Madden’s goal.
Get that Pro Se nonsense out of here.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever. My point was that just as Theo wasn’t at fault for the goals, neither (IMO) was Poti – I didn’t see him making any blatant mistakes and I noticed him in a positive way many times.
And I don’t buy the argument that just being on the ice makes one bad for a game; this is a team game, and there are 4 other players and a goalie out there – plus 5 players for the other team. It’s why +/-, especially in such a small sample size, is such a skewed stat.
That second paragraph is all well and good, and normally I agree. You just picked a ridiculously weak way of making that point.
And go back and look at the first two goals. On the 4/4 he was guarding nobody (even though I place most of the blame on Steckel) and on the 5 on 3 he was atrocious. He had his stick covering a passing lane where there was no ’Hawk and not guarding the cross-crease pass. Terrible job.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I was using an extreme situation to point out how silly it is to assume that just “being on the ice” constitutes a rough afternoon. I wasn’t comparing the efforts by the two or goalies vs defensemen – just saying that from where I was sitting, you could place the same amount of blame on Poti as you could on Theo, which is none.
And if I missed the horrible play on the 5-on-3, I apologize and I’ll have to go watch it again. But overall I’m still not convinced one mistake compared to the numerous good things he did makes it a rough afternoon. I’m equally annoyed by JP’s use of that phrase as I am with people agreeing with it.
Well he was undoubtedly not using his stick well on the first goal. I’m not sure what all these “numerous good things” he did were.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I have special powers?
Seriously, I didn’t think he was that bad. Early in the game I didn’t notice anyone standing out as horrific because I, like the team, was pissed off and not engaged so if I missed him deflecting all 3 goals into his net, I apologize.
But I did see good things late in the game – and I’ll have to watch the replay to get the specifics, because I can’t remember who they were against. Just remember being impressed with some of the things he did.
F&B explained it perfectly.
Poti lays down on his belly too early and too often. I think he should have blades on his chest so he can be a sled.
Certainly wouldn’t disagree with the sliding on his stomach too often – and I clearly missed that, I’m going back to watch the goals against right now.
And to be fair, I wasn’t trying to say he had the best game ever – just that one or two mistakes early + good defensive play late doesn’t equal a “rough” afternoon, that’s all.
Okay, so I just went back and watched – he was AWFUL on the 5-on-3, but he didn’t go down on his stomach. He actually went down on one knee to try and take away the pass, which allowed the Toews to get in close.
On the 4-on-4, that cross-crease pass was so quick I doubt he could have done anything.
And he actually wasn’t on the ice for the 3rd goal. No idea where that came from, but NHL.com fails there.
It’s not just that he allowed Toews to get in close; he was covering a non-passing lane which allowed the cross-ice pass to Sharp. If his stick is where it shoulda been then that pass doesn’t get through so easily.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It actually worked once during the 5-on-3, but he should really quit doing it so often.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Well, yeah – I’m cranky and annoyed after having to deal w/ silly Habs fans all afternoon – they keep comparing Ovie’s hit to Lapierre’s blatant crosscheck on Nichols that sent him headfirst into the boards.
Being confrontational and unnecessarily bitchy is fun :D
Ha. Habs fans really are terrible, aren’t they? How could anyone stand to deal with them?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly it takes a stronger woman than you, F&B ;)
by Becca H on Mar 14, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where are you seeing all the Habs fans? Is it a college reunion for you or something?
(I do think Montreal guys seem to get suspended a lot, too. Unlike Pittsburgh guys or Flyer guys.)
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Nah, just on Twitter. I follow quite a few of them and generally get along fine w/ them – this just seems like a bunch of cranky people annoyed that their guy got such a hefty suspension.
Lapierre’s a well-known tool, though, and while 4 games might have been a bit much it was still a hit worth suspending.
4 games was not too much. That was a garbage hit. Fuck them. Lapierre is such a scumbag that he allows Plekanec to fly under the radar.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lapierre is such a scumbag that he allows Plekanec to fly under the radar.
How so? In that everyone’s focusing on Lappy that they don’t notice how good Plekanec is or that they don’t notice all the cheapshots he’s taking? Not disagreeing if it’s the latter, just wanted to clarify…
The latter. I think Plekanec is a punk but he’s small, has skill, and isn’t the biggest punk on his own team so people tend to overlook it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well watching the highlights there on the third goal, it looked as if the official scorers confused Morrrissonnn and Carlson for Poti and Corvo again.
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Belanger
Didn’t really stand out except for the one play he made with his stick to save a goal in the 3rd.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Agreed. He was nothing special but I still prefer him to BMo I think.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Blackhawks defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson would like to see Ovechkin penalized.
“I hope they take a good look and suspend him for a couple of games,” he said.
And I’d be willing to bet he hasn’t had a chance to get a good look at the play again.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He will. I’m already cringing at how many times news outlets for hockey are going to be replaying that hit this week.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
And I cringe at the possibility of hearing from my co-workers about what a dirty player Ovi is.
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Steve Ott plays for Dallas. I think you’d win that argument.
by b.orr4 on Mar 14, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll remember that tomorrow. Thanks for preparing me. I need all the ammunition I can get.
My Stars’ fan co-worker is a Vikings fan and had followed the Stars since they were originally in Minnesota. (That’s one franchise move that should never have happened, in my humble opinion.)
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Yet the Vikings have been rumored in the past one of the relocation possibilities in the NFL’s future.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
FWIW all the banter about reloc the Viqueens is just stadium leverage. They play in the #1 shithole in the NFL.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
hey, I have fond memories of the Hubert H. Humphrey Crapodome!
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Thought it was called the Homerdome. I was there once.
Or should we have called it the Humpty Dumpty Dome? (A friend of mine used to refer to Humphrey as Humpty Dumpty Humphrey.)
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Fortunately....
The Downie hit on Crosby is MUCH worse – to the extent I feel bad for Crosby – and will likely supersede the Ovechkin hit.
A blatant slew-foot, where Crosby’s knee ends up UNDER Downie’s body is not cool.
Even if it IS Crosby.
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Downie, from what I saw, should have gotten a slew-footing major, and should have been ejected from the game.
I need a snappy signature...
Shocking that Downie was not given a major. And it was against the sacred oracle. Downie will get slammed. It looks so much worse than Ovie’s hit.
I agree. Downie should definitely be suspended for that hit, and I can’t stand Crosby.
But hits like that have no place in hockey.
Ovechkin’s hit, by contrast, looks totally like an accident, which I know it was.
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add me to this list of hating to defend anything Crosby but even he didn’t deserve that cheap shot.
by Beakers Lab on Mar 14, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It was honestly painful to watch that disgusting play in slow-motion. I have no idea how he didn’t blow his knee out on that but thankfully he didn’t. To be honest I got a small measure of respect for Crosby (and the entire Pens team) while watching Cherry’s rant about Cooke. Watch when they showed Crosby right after the Savard hit, he was truly embarrassed that that idiot is on his team and didn’t try justifying it. Also appreciated Guerrin’s take on the Cooke hit. Don’t get me wrong i still hate them more than anything but it was nice to see.
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, you know, those fine, upstanding citizens that the Vikings have employed during the past decade (eyes rolling). or does your co-worker not remember that little adventure on the boat with the hookers and booze and drugs? Or Randy Moss?
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I have no idea. But I’ll bring up Steve Ott if he brings up the fact that Ovi is a dirty player.
But should I put away my Ovi and Semin stuff at work anyhow?
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hell yeah I support ovi to the death to some of my co-workers (one of which is a pittsburg fan)
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
I also had an office mate who was a Caps fan, except when they played the Sabres. He rooted for the Caps against the Pens but supported the Pens in the playoffs after that since he had gone to Kettler to watch a Caps practice but also saw a Pens practice and had met Crosby and Don Bylsma and was favorable impressed by them.
He also thinks Ovi’s a pig (and I’ve argued with him about that).
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most of my co-workers don’t know much about hockey and just go with what they hear but that pittsburg fan will not give any credit to the boys. it highly annoys me sometimes
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
And I’d be willing to bet he hasn’t had a chance to get a good look at the play again.
That’s because he’s too busy looking at the video ofSteckel outhustle him on the Caps third goal.
by b.orr4 on Mar 14, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sure he has forgotten that already.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s thinking: if only mom had spelled my first name with a CK like that backstrom dude…
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s the reason i always show up late and leave early. don’t want to be like the president and have my celebrity ruin everyone’s enjoyment of the game.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So would you say you’re a master of the… Face/Off?
/nyuk nyuk nyuk
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Campbell is his partner too, right?
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
but not in a Hossa/Kopecky sort of way ;)
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Hjalmarsson should take a good look at Steckel washing out his icing assignment and setting up the third goal.
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by Steck It Out on Mar 14, 2010 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shift Chart
Download link: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2790/4432720877_6c2f8290ff_b_d.jpg
Looks like the 21-18-28 line stayed together the most after the game misconduct, otherwise the chart is pretty messy…
by vzotsky on Mar 14, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Wait, Ovechkin didn’t get a single minute down the stretch. What was BB thinking????
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
i always think i see words spelled out in the red/blue blocks.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
As for Fehr, he scored on his only shot of the game and skated just 12 shifts all afternoon (only Ovechkin skated fewer). The mind continues to boggle
For starters, I think he isn’t consistently doing something the coaches want him to do and its reflected in his ice time. When he goes to the net, he’s extremely effective, yet he doesn’t do it game in and out, let alone each and every shift.
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 14, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
It has something to do with motivation, I’m thinking…
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 14, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
but that’s the best we can do from where we’re sitting. it’s really all speculation. his production per minute (or per 60 minutes) is excellent, especially given the quality of his teammates on the ice.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yet he doesn’t do it game in and out, let alone each and every shift.
and if that were actually the reason fehr is stuck on the 3rd line, then semin would be suffering the same fate (and not seeing PT with AO and nickyB).
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap, if Fehr’s not giving it every shift, then what the hell is Fleischmann doing?
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by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Getting outplayed physically. I have no answers, and won’t be defending what Flash is/isn’t doing, but all I can guess is that BB has Fehr figured out and finds that he’s most productive when kept baking on the bench, and then goes buck wild when he hits the ice. I love the way he uses his stick, love the takeaways and his fierce forecheck. Maybe Bruce doesn’t think he’s effecient enough with a lot of shifts. Maybe he’s got an ouchie. I have no idea. ButI’ll tell you what, I noticed Walker was missing.
I think Walker, Steckel and Bradley make a good line, so far.
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 14, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
My personal guess from watching Fehr play is that his conditioning is sub-par. He gets gassed pretty quickly and that, combined with the fact that he doesn’t kill penalties or get much PP time, equates to minimal ice time.
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by D'ohboy on Mar 14, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could buy that. His skating stride isn’t exactly efficient and he still hasn’t had an off-season where he was healthy enough to really bust his ass and get in shape.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Further to that, Fehr spaces out on a play that leads to a goal and gets demoted, scratched, etc. Flash routinely plays worse defense 5 on 5, and gets better linemates, positional promotions, etc. That’s why the mind boggles.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
"You can hit the streets or the sheets, it don’t make Dynamite no nevermind. That’s your bag, baby. You can go or you can come, can you dig it."
by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you can’t draw them if you don’t hit anybody.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you expand the list to toss out “minimum games played,” perrault runs away with PDRAW/60. 18 games, ~10 minutes per game, 7 penalties drawn, 2 penalties taken.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Another reason to re-sign Belanger and keep him as 2C, making the 3C Perreault’s to lose next year.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Any news on how long Perreault will be out?
Anyway, I figure it should be MP’s job to lose next year.
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he played today
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
i dunno if i would say okay. he looked a little off today. not the usual jump in his step that we are used to seeing
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
wouldn’t be my move. if GMGM has any money to play with this offseason, there’s got to be a more legit 2C to court. belanger still strikes me as a plug-in 2C (but a wonderful 3C).
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Semin and use the money to make a run at Marleau.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even know who we would pursue with Semin as a bargaining piece. . .
Marleau though. . .that would be awesome.
Flash/Marleau/Laich line?
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Edmonton. And acquire their first round pick for THIS year, their first rounder for next year, another pick and some other stuff.
Edmonton has a 30% chance of getting the lottery pick since they are so pathetic.
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IDK if they’d give us that much for semin, but then again, they are desperate
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We have to make the price high. I can’t recall who this year’s “hot kid” is but he’s supposed to be a good one. (I hear next year’s crop is a weaker crop of kids.)
(I don’t really want to trade Semin but let’s ask for the moon and see what they do)
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hah, thats true, should ask for the moon indeed
I would like a certain solid D-man that we werent able to get at the dedline
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No Souray. Please.
I really don’t know what EDM can give, besides, oh, Jordan Eberle and a first rounder I guess, or something. Not really sure how the GMs around the league perceive our Russian enigma
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Semin’s not being traded to Edmonton, but assuming they stay in last place they actually have a better than 30% chance of getting the first overall pick (because they wouldn’t have to win the lottery to get it).
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. I’m just not sold on Belanger as a #2C over the long run. He’s a very slight upgrade over BMo, but I think he’s a better #3C than a #2.
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For what it’s worth, the UFA list. In lieu of other options, I’m not sure where else GMGM can go, particularly if Backstrom negotiations are dragging.
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow! I have been looking for a UFA for ever. Thanx BP
From the list, i think Koivu, Plekanec, or Propsal would be good picks ups if they would take a bit of a lesser sallary
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Looking at all the UFAs next year. . .I really hope GMGM inks Backstrom soon so we can move on to who we can sign next year and the guys we should keep for the next. . .
I cant believe how much Cap space of the Kings, The Preds, and Coyotes have. . .i can’t believe it. They could build up one hell of a team for next year with some free agent acquisitions
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Unless Lars is inked in the next couple weeks, I think it’s going to be late June or into July.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks. Oh and f**k Brooks Orpik.
Koivu – too old and injury prone.
Plekanec – too expensive
Prospal – too much like Flash and also old
Matthew Lombardi, on the other hand… Sooooooo fast.
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Lombardi is fast but he’s been in the league long enough that if he was any good at anything besides skating you wouldn’t have to just point out his speed.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 14, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone have any thoughts re: the Olympic icing rule being adopted vis-a-vis Steckel's hustle play on the goal?
3-point shooting contest, anyone?
by not in vancouver anymore on Mar 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah. That would have been unfortunate. Is that play worth what happened to Kurtis Foster though? I’m not sure…
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It’s a tricky rule, because I get it for one-on-one races – but there were a few times in the Olympics where the forward had a clear lead on the D and it still got whistled down because it was technically icing. There would need to be some sort of ability to waive it off in that case.
Maybe the forward had a lead because the D knew it was just gonna be an icing…
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 14, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Campbell update
Marek says that he won’t be going on their 3 game West Coast trip this week.
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Wow those Hawks comments sounded like they were pretty sore on the loss.
Hjmarlsson “I hope they take a good look and suspend him a few games.”
Coach “It was a dangerous hit”
“We got the most skill in the league, on any team. There’s no reason up 3-0 we can’t go out and finish the team off” Jonathan Toews.
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That’s part of the game, though. Talking up the hit makes a suspension more likely.
Still, it seems odd that Chi cares so much since we don’t play them again.
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They lost Soupy!
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course they’ll talk it up to anyone who will listen.
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Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
"We got the most skill in the league, on any team. There’s no reason up 3-0 we can’t go out and finish the team off" Jonathan Toews.
That’s…a bold statement to make. I’m not sure any player should be throwing around quotes like that, especially when you’re not on top of the League. Not saying the Caps have the most skill, either, but they’d have a more legit claim to it based on the standings.
I’d expect a strong statement from the team captain, no?
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by Bald Pollack on Mar 14, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
A strong statement is one thing – but he could have said “we have a lot of skill” instead of the most skill in the league. Just seems like the kind of claim you won’t see a lot of captains make.
Agreed. That’s pretty ballsy. In a playoff round, that would be bulletin board fodder for sure. I’m guessing Q tells him to rein it in a bit.
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Of course, he’s a uber young team captain who makes the mistakes of the young.
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Its a player thing though. As an athalete you should never say “the most” or “the best” because people will shoot you down for it.
you say things like “among the best” “a lot of” ect.
But also to say that against the Caps who have a lot more statistics to back up such a claim…
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I can’t fault him for his confidence, however misguided it may be.
If anybody else on that team makes that claim, other than Toews or Keith (maybe), then i have a problem with it. Toews is the figurehead and captain of the team, has plenty of skill himself, and is expected to stick up for his team (especially after the tough losses they have had of late)
As far as skills go, i’d put them in maybe 4th. Behind , the Capitals, San Jose, and Vancouver
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gave up five and got yanked today in Worcester game. Final score 6-1 against. If anyone saw the game, please give a report . . .
Actually 6-2 was the final. not a pretty game the defense was pretty much non-existent and they were not moving their feet. could be due to having 3 games in 3 nights (going into ot and shootout last night) also someone brought up that some individuals are sick but still playing. Another factor was that worchester is number 1 in the atlantic division. the game got really physical at the end and multiple penatlies were assessed after the final horn. this being said they play each other next friday so it should be interesting
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
Yeah, i was listening to the announcers, and he was saying there was some sickness going around the team. And a handfull of players were playing through, coupled with the 3 games in 3 days, im not surprised they dropped the ball.
They all looked dead tired out there
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In addition to the sickness going around the team, do the Bears have Clinchitis, the disease that affects teams right after clinching a division title where they play flat and lose?
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but they have yet to clinch the division their magic number is still 1
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
yeah seems that way. hopefully 2 days off will do them a world of good and they will have the division clinched on tuesday when they play binghampton
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
Probably the real sickness bothering the Bears. Not beary nice.
In fact, it’s unbearable.
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yeah i missed the pre game report but it doesn’t shock me they are sick. alzner was out with the flu last night and they are on the road in close quarters with on another on this 5 game road trip so it could be spreading like a wild fire
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
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*"Colin Campbell’s Nightmare Continues: Ovechkin Ejected for Boarding"
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Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
Watching that replay over and over, I don’t think it is deserving of suspension. However, I definitely think a double minor would’ve worked.
The bigger thing we should say, which i don’t think alot of us have, I hope Brian Campbell is ok.
It looked like his shoulder went very hard into the boards. It probably isnt near the severity of Savard’s concussion, but it looks pretty rough.
For the sake of Ovie, I hope Campbell isnt injured; however, I hope more for Campbell’s sake that his shoulder didn’t get messed up
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Well, while Campbell is at it he can check out this video of Steve Downie slew-footing Crosby today to see a play where there really was intent to injure.
Campbell I do beleive, won’t be able to rule on the Ovechkin hit. Isn’y Brian Campbell his son.
Brian Campbell ===>> Collin Campbell, atleast I’m pretty sure those it.
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Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
no, wrong campbell. see d’ohboy’s comment above.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 14, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m hearing that Colin Campbell’s son is Greg Campbell who plays for the Florida Panthers.
Just sayin’.
Are you? ‘Cause I’m hearing Campbell’s son plays somwhere in FL.
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And here I thought Campbell was the guy they named the trophy after.
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by CapitalCentre on Mar 14, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, they named a soup after him.
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by oldemystix on Mar 14, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ouch ouch ocuh that slow motion replay looked horrible almost like his leg was gonna snap
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
ha ha ha ha ha! shouldn’t laugh, but between Downie’s inability to properly execute a slewfoot and Crosby’s overblown dramaqueen theatrics, well, that’s some comedy gold.
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Yeah. . .i dont think that is a laughing manner. In an instant, that could be a snapped ACL/MCL. . .
that is deplorable shit
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I’ve watched it over and over again and I can’t see a snapped knee ligament happening. Sorry. I wish we had an angle from the other side.
Look, you don’t try and slewfoot because you want to say hello and invite the guy over for dinner. Slewfooting, imo, has no place in the game. But Downie’s attempt was pathetic.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHeh3tyUL10&feature=player_embedded#
Definitely could snap something there. That was more of a figure-four-leglock than a slewfoot
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thank you for that link. I didn’t see how his ankle got bent from the other video.
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That’s disgusting. Downie is such a punk. It’s a shame he still has to act like this, because he’s developed into a really good hockey player with Tampa.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 14, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy bajeezus, that’s completely unnecessary. What winterion said, no place for that.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 14, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yow. That could have ended very badly.
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by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah he has
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
HOLY SHIT. I did not see that. . .that is absolutely horrible. . .
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Agreed, hate Crosby, but wow. If that isn’t intent to injure I don’t know what is.
Crosby is lucky that didn’t blow out his knee, very lucky.
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Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
Oof. Has Cooke taken out anyone from Tampa lately? Wondering because of all the talk that someone would take a run at Crosby in retaliation.
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Didn’t Cooke ruin Lecavalier’s shoulder a few years ago during his time here?
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I just saw on Twitter that Campbell has a broken rib and collarbone, plus a second degree concussion. Ouch.
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Wow, really? I mean, he went down hard, but that’s more than I expected.
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I can’t find any updates on him, where’d u find this tweet?
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It was on all of my chitown friends’ twitters. Not sure the original source though…checking now…looks like it’s a random chick!? I don’t know it seems to have been RT like a bazillion times. haha
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Word, just waiting for the official diagnoses right now i guess
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Found it. Apparently it was first reported on @Hendrickshockey
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If that shot broke a rib, I’ll eat my hat.
Pre-existing, anyone? Ovi was nowhere NEAR his rib cage.
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i suppose it is possible that with the velocity that he hit the boards (epsecially if his elbow shoved into the lower ribs) but highly unlikely
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
But Ovi weighs 235 pounds so a hit by him results in injury when a hit by a normal sized hockey player does not.
#NeedsLessOvi — weight wise.
Ovi, do yourself a favor, do NOT gain any more weight.
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It’s all muscle, though…
Still… I think he’s likely done putting that on. At 235# and 6’2", he’s a prime specimen.
Any more weight would be overkill.
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I know it’s muscle. Agree that any more weight would be overkill. As it is, it’s dangerous to other players.
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His weight is fine. It isn’t as if all other NHLers are the size of the Habs. He isn’t freakishly huge, just strong and sturdy.
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But your normal player is about 200-210 pounds. So 230 pounds causes more damage.
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What I don’t get is why you are so worked up over his weight. Ovie has been one of the hardest hitters since he entered the league, no matter what his weight.
“[D]angerous to other players,” well, why don’t we just wrap everyone in bubble wrap then.
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Bubble wrap the other team! Sounds like a great plan!
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by CapsFan75 on Mar 14, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahah that would be a show that I would gladly pay good money for. rec’ed
by whats fehr is fehr on Mar 15, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on the pictures of him that came out this summer without a shirt and with his gut hanging out, doesn’t look to be all muscle.
It isn’t unusual to go to seed in the offseason until training begins again.
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Didn’t he come to camp this season 20 pounds heavier “all in the upper body” or something?
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by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Still think Ovi would be better off lighter.
(Ovi reminds me of an old friend of mine. They share a name, astrological sign, and are alike in personality. They’re both big guys. My friend did get fat and his hair got gray early as well.)
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Ovi’s sign?
I think his weight is fine. . .to say that he should lose pounds so stuff like this doesnt happen is meh
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We’ve seen more stuff happen this year so I wonder what has changed this year and the most obvious change I can think of is his weight.
Or has his style changed? Does he hit more? Or what’s going on here.
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He’s heavier and much, much stronger.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
He’s having the best offensive season of his career. Why do you think he would be more effective lighter? And are you seriously suggesting that he not gain any more weight for fear of injuring other players, even if it made him more effective?
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 14, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The extra weight is not worth it if it results in missing 10 games per year due to suspensions for multiple 5 minute majors, say about 3 per year.
I would not seriously suggest it, except for the fact that I’d rather have him in the lineup than in the press box.
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There’s no way he misses that many due to suspensions. He hasn’t missed close to that amount this season, so I’m not sure where you’re getting 10 from. Alex is smart. He will learn to be more selective in his hitting as he matures.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Mar 14, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This. And just to add, hockey players in general are bigger, faster, and stronger than their predecessors. Just because Ovi’s slightly ahead of the game in that sense is no reason to put him on a diet.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope you’re right and he gets smarter about it as time passes. Just that the officials are looking for it at the moment.
My 10 game calculation was a projection. Say getting 3-4 majors a year and getting an average suspension of 3 games due to being a “repeat” offender, that comes out to about 10 games.
He never did have a history of suspensions in the NHL — until this year. I’m wondering what is different. And if it’s the new “normal” for him.
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I think that’s getting a little ahead of things. Coming into this season Ovechkin had only one game misconduct in his career. Of the three he’s had this year, one (Kaleta) was a bad call no matter how you slice it, and the other two could have gone either way. Plus, of those three, only one came about a result of his strength. To assume he’s going to miss significant time moving forward is a bit of a leap.
But even then, I’d take it. The Caps, right now, are going to make the playoffs easily, no matter what. If Ovechkin’s more productive on a per game basis because of his weight, but misses more games because of it, I’ll take it because it means he’s more likely to be dominant in the spring, when it really matters.
by David M. Getz on Mar 14, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only problems with additional weight, IMO, would be loos of speed and agility.
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Jason Chimera is our fastest player, probably
He or Ovechkin.
And they’re also the two biggest.
I don’t think weight does much to decrease speed when your sport is on, ya know, ice.
Also, skating is akin to sprinting
And the best sprinters are jacked and HUGE.
Have we seen more or are certain things being singled out more?
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I am wondering what’s going on myself. Why is Ovi suddenly getting called for so many major penalties this year?
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Didn't it all start w/ the knee hit against Pens in last season's playoffs?
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by not in vancouver anymore on Mar 14, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That didn’t help his cause. Not to mention the ending of Jamie Heward’s career.
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It actually seems to be a similar situation from the standpoint of the injured player's loss of balance contributing to the incident.
3-point shooting contest, anyone?
by not in vancouver anymore on Mar 14, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Heward, not Gonchar.
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by not in vancouver anymore on Mar 14, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve watched the replay several times; Ovi never went anywhere near his rib cage. He pushed him, yes, but if he broke a rib… not Ovi’s fault.
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i see what you are saying the left side (the side that got shoved) shouldn’t have any rib damage but the right side which actually made contact with the boards could have some sort of damage
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
Ovi never went anywhere near his rib cage. He pushed him, yes, but if he broke a rib… not Ovi’s fault.
With all due respect, that’s a pretty clearly fallacious line of reasoning. I don’t think Ovi should be suspended but this doesn’t compute.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Refer to my above comment. . .but if Campbell breaks a rib, it is certainly Ovie’s fault.
Not intentional, but accidental.
If Campbell has all that damage as people are saying, my vote goes to a few games suspension. ..Ovie kinda needs to learn to back off of a hit like that anyways, if it results in injury,all the more reason for a learning experience
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Ovi, do yourself, your team, and the rest of the NHL a favor. Lose some weight. You were nice and fast at 220.
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hah, he is fine at 220. He could lose a bit of belly weight maybe, but i dont think it will affect his speed that much
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by kingzman264 on Mar 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
dude’s all muscle
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by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 14, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovie’s like a lot of hockey players – low fat, but a protruding midsection because their abs are so developed.
by David M. Getz on Mar 14, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what he needs to do is lose the belly weight. 220 is what he should weigh, not 235, for a variety of reasons.
Is 50+ goals in 70 games really an improvement over 50+ goals in 80 games, when the missed games are due to suspensions? Sounds like a wash in overall productivity.
(Okay, he missed 6 games due to injury this year but I’m projecting for future years, with an average of 3-4 major penalties, with 3 game suspension for each, coming out to about 10 games or so.)
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Now you are an expert on what he should weigh. Good to know. Are you his trainer too?
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Just trying to figure out what the best balance is. Don’t want any more major penalties and wondering why it’s happened so much this year.
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He's playing more aggressively
It’s not a weight issue. He’s just now 24 years old. He’s just now hitting his physical prime, which, apparently, is around 240 pounds.
He was 220 earlier, but he also was 22 years old at that weight.
Look how much bigger Lars has become in a year. I bet he tops out at 225 if not 230. Of course, he uses his weight differently than Ovie, so people won’t complain about it.
I’m not sure what the issue is. I just don’t want Ovi to get multiple suspensions in the same year.
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I don't think the sample size is big enough
to say whether it’s a trend or just an outlying result of “bad luck” as ovie is so want to say.
Who’s to say he’s just as big and aggressive next year and doesn’t accumulate any suspensions?
I wouldn’t have been surprised at a separated shoulder. Any chance this tweet is just a rumor started to encourage a tough suspension?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
The league office takes a lot of shit but it will rely on an official injury report from the Hawks, not some internet spam.
Either I’m not far off, or this ESPN Chicago guy sees it the way I do and we’re both way wrong:
the worst news after the game was Campbell’s unknown injury, with some believing it was his right shoulder
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/columns/story?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=4995558
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
who is this guy writing the story?
Led by their star’s example, the Capitals play an aggressive style of hockey. With 27 seconds left in the first period, Brooks Laich nailed Patrick Kane into his own goal, dislodging the pipes. On the ensuing shift, Fraser and Adam Burish got a little payback, starting a fight on the other side to end the period. Burish got perhaps the game’s biggest cheers as he skated off.
who ever claimed the caps to play an aggressive (in a physical way) style? and brooks hit was clean…not much of a fight either.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Mar 14, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This sounds like the story the Caps writers write about the other team. Gee, the Blackhawks sound like they suffer from Capsitis.
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This made me happy:
Sunday’s game was evidence that the team’s high-powered offense can be shut down by an opportunistic team and a pesky defense. The Capitals seemingly had a stick or a body in between every pass in the third period.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
But..but..but…their defense sucks!
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
and their goaltending is suspect
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
And if Ovi disappears like he always does they can’t beat anyone!
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
For a second there I thought I was reading about the Caps’ high powered offense and the Hawks’ pesky defense. Nice!
Every time Nicky scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 14, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya that was a great fight, Laich skates away with a big ole smile and a penalty drawn, a Chicago guy skates away with a busted nose.
Other thoughts on that quote: a) retalliation from a clean hit b) 2v1 a guy c) no fighting majors were given out so there was actually no fight.
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
Hello all, it’s been a while. I was in Toronto for spring break (amazing, by the way). Anyway, this game seemed eerily similar to the last time the Caps were on NBC…
"My face is my mask."
I think there were four of us in the 2nd pd thread that were joking about Nicklas Backstrom tricking it up a la Ovie vs PIT… 2g and a helper, the Lars trick?
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans no more intelligent than myself
by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
dear Chicago,
How do you like the cupcakes? Yum yum!
Love,
Kings of the Popsicle Division
Kung-fu Rink Rabbit
The Blood Cult of Matt Bradley. Tune in Wednesday when Japers Rink offers their first burnt offering to Matt Bradley to give him an endless supply of the blood for his strident ways.
by RedBirdie on Mar 14, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Their SBNation fansite is hilarious. Half the posts are “I’m not scared of the Caps, they played like crap who cares if they beat us in 16 minutes.”
Found one guy who actually makes sense though. To the equivilant of “STFU children, we won’t play the Caps unless we both make the Stanley Cup we should be worried about San Jose, the Kings and the Avs”
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
you’d think they’d be concerned that a team that played like crap could some back and beat them in 16 minutes. A huge concern.
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The Blood Cult of Matt Bradley. Tune in Wednesday when Japers Rink offers their first burnt offering to Matt Bradley to give him an endless supply of the blood for his strident ways.
by RedBirdie on Mar 14, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s one there too. Goes something like this
“Forget the Caps. We should be worried about the other teams in the West”
which can go as Caps-bashing or lets-win-the-West-first.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans no more intelligent than myself
by red army line on Mar 15, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Love this piece of homerific reporting:
Norris showdown: Probably the two leading candidates for the Norris Trophy as the NHL’s best defenseman were on the ice Sunday.
Duncan Keith of the Hawks played more than 32 minutes and was minus-1 with 3 hits and a blocked shot.
Washington’s Mike Green played more than 30 minutes and had 2 assists, 4 hits and a blocked shot.
Left out one important stat — Green was +2. Funny.
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=365917&src=149
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Duncan Keith of the Hawks played more than 32 minutes and was minus-1 with 3 hits and a blocked shot, before getting undressed along with Seabrook by Lars Backstrom for the GWG.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
by EmilyB on Mar 14, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It was Seabrook
To say he’s been shaky the past couple of months would be an understatement. Him off his game has been a bigger concern for the Hawks than goaltending (don’t believe all the media hype. Goaltending has been weak, but the defense has been weaker as of late and a large part of it).
FYI, Campbell is reportly out for the season with a broken clav, ribs and a concussion. Not sure what effect that’ll have on your boy Ovie from the league. At the time, most of us thought it was an unnecessary, kinda cheap hit (not trying to start a debate, I don’t consider Ovie a cheap player, just overzealous at times), but that the refs overreacted. I’m sure many are screaming for Ovie’s neck now though. Campbell has been huge for us this year.This is a big blow.
Good game Caps. Hope to see ya’ll in June
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you have a source on this? The only thing I can find is on Bleacher Report, which is about as trustworthy as. . . some random ethnic group/religion/gender/political party. . .
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Yes, a few
here’s one link to Hendricks Hockey, but it was also more recently reported by Jessee Rogers (very reliable source), Chicago Sportscenter, and Kuc from the Chicago Trib.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok. Sorry that Soupy went down. Last year, that might have been doing you a favor, but he’s been playing OK this year, and with Barker gone, Seabrook missing his game and Johnsson nicked up, it’s not great timing.
I’m worried that the league is going to throw up their hands and suspend him based on the outcome, even though they didn’t do the same for either Richards or Cooke.
My logic is: if it’s horribly inconsistent and hypocritical, that’s how the NHL will rule.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
Thanks
You’re spot on. I was just thinking, can we please have Barker back?
I doubt the league will be too hard on Ovie. Ultimately, it wouldn’t a bad thing for you guys and Ovie if they are. You’ve got home ice and probably the Prez Cup pretty well wrapped up and Ovie didn’t get any rest during the Olympic break (except on the ice /jab), so it might keep him fresh (and injury free) for when you need him down the stretch.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You’ll have to talk to the Minnesota Wild about that one. Us Caps fans can’t help you there.
While we don’t mind him getting a rest now, I’ll admit I’m a bit paranoid that something will happen in the playoffs and he’ll get suspended then.
Yes, I’m more than a bit paranoid.
Rocking the Red since 1975
If Dale Tallon was still our GM
then there would at least be hope that someone messed up Barker’s paperwork…
Chicago – we’re raised paranoid (Cubs, Bears). FYI, it was rumored earlier today that Hossa might also be out for the season, but now they’re saying day-to-day, along with Johnsson. We’ll see.
Talk about a day…
Cheers
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I pretty much agree completely with your take on AO’s hit. The actual act was bad, but not worse than many other hits that happen routinely – the outcome was just much worse. AO also now has a target on his back with the refs, so anytime he sends someone flying it will garner extra scrutiny.
Unfortunately, the NHL places too much emphasis on outcomes at times. I’m completely convinced that Campbell staying down for a while led to the 5 minutes and game misconduct, and the injury reports certainly won’t help things for supplementary discipline.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree
The league’s viewpoint that identical infractions receive different discipline depending on the extent of injury is reactive, instead of preventative.
If Campbell pops back up and is OK, yeah, probably 2 mins. I was surprised at the time, but the more I watch the video and with what has been going around around the league, I understand why they made the call.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the NBC broadcast made a good point about refs being on edge about letting stuff go after the Cooke incident. The play certainly deserved at least 2 minutes, and it was a very dangerous place to hit someone even if AO didn’t go all out and Campbell caught an edge making it look worse (it’s not Campbell’s fault, but it certainly contributed to the play). I don’t think it deserved 5 and a game, but I’m not too upset about the call. The thing that upsets me most is the inevitable media bonanza, not the call.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh, so true
We may possibly view this particular “media bonanza” from different sides of the mirror, but the banality that spews from their fingers and lips ultimately attempts to reduce us all to a bunch of mindless morons. Thank god for sites like these.
Well, folks, I want to thank you for being here for the recording of my live comedy album. Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later.
by ChicagoNativeSon on Mar 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I really appreciate your input and level-headed commentary on this. I think as Caps fans we are probably more sick of, and sensitive to, the media circus around the Ovechkin hits. They sensationalize it because it draws eyes, but as you said it’s stupid and it lowers the level of discourse and understanding of the game.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Espn (I was doing research for my bracket – and glanced at the nhl page) is reporting Campbell broke his collar bone and a some ribs.
Wish him a speedy recovery.
I’m watching NHL on the Fly, and watching Eric fehr’s goal. It seems to me that Fehr has made many key goals this season. Not game-winning goals, necessarily, but game momentum-changing goals. Key goals at key moments that change the mood of the team and make it possible for the team to focus and bear down.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
BTW, NHLOtF not calling for AO’s head on a platter.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
hopefully that is good news and i don’t get a text message regarding a lengthy suspension while at work tomorrow
"Hey anyway I can get my name out there 30 years from now is great," Steckel said. "They will be like, ‘Who was that guy?’ Then they’ll look at the stats and say, ‘Well, at least that guy was really good on face-offs.’"
Henrik Sedin now only 3 back of Ovi in Ross race.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
May catch up if Ovi gets a lengthy suspension. Originally, the commentators and bloggers thought he wouldn’t get any or one game. But now that Campbell turns out to be out for the year, it will probably change.
Rocking the Red since 1975
We’ll see, it didn’t affect the Matt Cooke sentence. The more damning argument against Ovechkin is the unfortunate fact that the refs slapped him with a game misconduct. I’d be surprised if he weren’t suspended.
Not a great month for the Great 8.
If Campbell has the balls to suspend Ovie for that after letting Cooke walk scott-free, he’s one ballsy motherf____ jackass.
There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance and only I manage to erase that line.
We would be crying bloody murder.
The ridiculous part is that Campbell apparently wanted to suspend Cooke, but had no rule by which to suspend him, which is crazy. I’m pretty sure they could pass a rule without much effort. Simple, no purposeful hits to the head with the intention of striking an opponent from the neck up. The players want it, and there isn’t really anyone to stand against it. Make it suspendable starting NOW and work out the details later, but remove the problem immediately.
THere’s a rule against what Ovechkin did, he won’t be covered automatically by the 41 game rule, but the player is now injured for the rest of the season on a team with cup dreams, and Ovie has a rap sheet.
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 15, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure they could pass a rule without much effort.
Ex post facto.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 15, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
First of all, don’t act like the NHL is a proper judicial system. Second off, they have a rule against intent to injure. It’s not a far cry for them to say “we think Matt Cooke intended to injure” because he actually did.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Both fair points.
I agree that Cooke should’ve been suspended for intent to injure; I disagree that the NHL should’ve (or could’ve) passed a rule banning what Cooke did and then suspend him for it after the fact all before the next Pittsburgh game.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 15, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t recommending that they pass a rule to suspend Cooke, just that they implement one to stop headshots from this point out (which they should have done a long time ago, at least when Booth got hit). Eitherway, they’re tying their own hands, which makes no sense to me.
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 15, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i still dont get why they couldn’t suspend him this time, but could against Anisimov. Its all just make believe.
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 15, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
According to ProHockey were they break down the Ovechkin penalties, Matt Cooke could of been penalized under both intent to injure and injuring a players head or face both of which are considered game misconducts
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
Anisimov he had to leap higher and use his elbow. Since the form of the hit was dirty, they suspended him. His form was clean against Savard, it was just the targeting the head that was dirty.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if the NHL had suspended him for “a hit to the head” as the proposed new rule would have allowed, then I’d agree with you. But, as with many other rules, the intent to injure rule is so broad that Cooke could have legitimately been punished without having to make a new rule. If you play in the NHL, and you line a guy up, and you get all head, it’s intentional. These guys know how to aim center mass so when they don’t ,it’s on purpose.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
CONSPIRACY!
Every time Nicky scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha! 9 News Sports Plus just called Backstrom the the Swedish Swashbuckler.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
by oldemystix on Mar 14, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Should we leave Chimmer on the top line? Or restore Flash to that position? The latter worked for us in November.
I would normally go with:
Flash/Backstrom/Knuble
Laich/Belanger/Semin
Chimmer/BoMo/Fehr
(4th liners)
But since Chimmer seems to work so well with Knuble and Backstrom, along with the Fact that Flash and Fehr are good together, and given the fact that Fehr has been relatively productive, here’s another proposal for the top 3 lines:
Chimmer/Backstrom/Knuble
Flash/Belanger/Fehr
Laich/BMo/Semin
Sorry Brooksie.
Rocking the Red since 1975
Without Ovie, I think your 2nd set of lines is golden.
I bet Chimmer can rise to the occasion, fehr will do even better with more ice time, flash will show consistency, Laich BMo and Semin on 3rd would be a great wake up call for them, Laich would understand
Bah-Ram-Ewe, Ovechkin will wreck you. Fear the Furious Fleece!
It looks to me
like the issue was not so much Ovechkin’s shove, but Campbell catching a rut with his skate. The skate seems to be what sent him falling awkwardly into the boards. It just wasn’t that hard a push, whether Ovie’s strong or not. Campbell’s a pro who’s been pushed and shoved by the best of the western conference all season long.
Ovechkin’s running a rap sheet at this point, so I expect at least a game suspension to feed the hounds.
Fortunately, Downie took all the spotlight off Ovechkin tonight! Amazing that Sid’s ok after that.
You can only get away with that kind of thing if you’re a Canadian defenseman, in the Olympics, on home-town Canadian ice, with Canadian refs, and the player you slew foot is Russian.
by The Jade Donkey on Mar 15, 2010 12:46 AM EDT reply actions
Ovechkin gave him more than just a light push, he’s a big dude. Sure, the fact that Campbell’s skate got caught in a rut and he toe picked made it worse since he was off balance, but it was still an unacceptable play on Ovechkin’s part.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Mar 15, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Unacceptable in that it was penalty-worthy, yes. But 9 times out of 10 a hit/shove/push/whatever like that results in a dude tumbling (harmlessly?) to the ice and a 2 minute penalty for the perp. The absurdly serious injuries and the major + misconduct were all just really bad luck. REALLY bad luck.
Every time Nicky scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i’d agree with you, except for the position on the ice and the position of campbell’s body on the play. he cuts his skates hard to the left and AO follows through with his push. from the get-go, it seemed like a pretty clear cut boarding call to me, and it doesn’t change the more i watch it. there’s a reason boarding is a penalty in hockey…it’s a dangerous play that can injure.
that said, the game misconduct is already a significant punishment to ovechkin and to the caps. i’m hoping the league considers it sufficient.
by Natty Bumppo on Mar 15, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
That hit isn’t going to end in boarding/injury every time, but it’s likely enough that I fault Ovie, and think the misconduct was warranted.
As misconducts go, it’s not the most vicious hit we’ve seen, but it was pretty clearly bad, IMO.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Craig Adams v Ovechkin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkQKBGAQExQ
Heyo
Same hit, almost same result. Betya Ovie will get his ass handed to him though.
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
Okay so I tried 10 times to retort on NBC’s prohockey talk but I must be making too much sense to be allowed to post so here’s the article http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/alex-ovechkins-hit-is-far-from-controversial.php
And my retort
And now let me digress your so astute points…
-Ovechkin made contact on both the shoulder and back of Campbell’s body using both hands to force Campbell to the boards.
-I can see the major penalty, maybe. But being as Campbell did not go head first into the boards, and managed to brace himself prior to and during the hit, I’d of gone with a double minor.
-Malicious intent is clearly perspective. They DO have a penalty for what Matt Cookie did, you just pointed it out. Malicious intent to injure a player. Hitting a player above the red goal line typically is not a dangerous play.
-Game misconduct when the player’s head or face is injured. Holy cow, another penalty they could of given Matt Cooke. But I digress, Campbell went shoulder first into the boards and appeared to be holding his arm/shoulder after the hit, not his head or face.
Now the guy may have been felling, but Ovechkin did certainly “help” him more into the boards. Dangerous play, yes. Accident, yes. Does it matter, who knows. Now others are pointing to the LaPeirre hit in which he cross checked a guy from behind head first into the boards…um have you people watched that hit? I has no similarities to the Ovechkin hit. Furthermore…watch Craig Adams do the exact same hit to Ovechkin in a prior meeting this season http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkQKBGAQExQ…No Ovechkin wasn’t hurt but should that mean there wasn’t a penalty. No. Some of us were calling for Craig Adams head, but nothing was called or done to Adams. So there.
Personally I think that Ovechkin will be made an example of for all the wrong reasons…now that Steve Downie hit a lot of people are not looking at…the one were he slew foots Sidney Crosby very blatantly and almost snaps his leg backwards…yeah that won’t result in anything at all.
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
By the way, your post did get posted to the Pro Hockey talks site after all.
Rocking the Red since 1975
ya i noticed…grumble…stupid text anti-spammer thing kept telling me there was an error. Now if only I didn’t have so many spelling errors or the hyperlink wasn’t done wrong with the extra “…no”
Majors don’t necessarily warrant a game misconduct, only if the player is injured according to the ProHockey rule book citing.
Joe Corvo understands we hold "Penguins" with as much disregard as theatre people do Macbeth.
Now if we can only get Locker to start calling him Jumbo Joe. . .
After watching both vids, if Ovi gets suspended I am going to be very very angry.
I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.
by iwearstripes on Mar 15, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup. The Adams hit was definitely worse and I don’t recall the outrage.
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
by Fehr and Balanced on Mar 15, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s a much, much, MUCH worse hit. It’s pretty hilarious (in a humanity-is-so-hopelessly-stupid-that-the-only-way-to-keep-from-going-crazy-is-to-laugh-at-things-like-this way) to watch the shitstorm over the Ovi hit today while that got nothing.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 15, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say, as bad as that hit was, I can’t help but laugh thinking that it was Bubbles of all people to try to avenge Ovi.
Every time Nicky scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Mar 15, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ovie Hearing
Bob Mckenzie reporting ovie disciplinary hearing just started at noon today
by lifetime caps fan on Mar 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
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