Cam Janssen Suspended Five Games
by J.P. on Feb 25, 2010 4:33 PM EST
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Per @mirtle, Cam Janssen has been suspended five games for his February 13 hit on Matt Bradley.
I guess Twitter didn't save him, did it?
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Oh, my god, it’s consistent with recent disciplinary decisions. I can’t believe it.
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Oh, no, I take that back. What did Jeff Carter get for hitting Anssi Salmela?
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by CapitalCentre on Feb 25, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think those plays are really comparable. Carter’s hit wasn’t late, and part of the reason he got Salmela’s head was that Salmela was hunched way over.
by David M. Getz on Feb 25, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but — do they care about head shots? Or do they care about…some other factors that they’ll refuse to acknowledge or disclose? The inconsistency still exists.
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by CapitalCentre on Feb 25, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
No it’s not. Janssen was suspended because it was a late hit. If Bradley had the puck I doubt there’d be any punishment. Salmela had the puck in a scoring area with his head down. You have to let Carter hit him there. He didn’t target the head or hit him late. No reason to equate the two hits together.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Feb 25, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
From what I’ve seen, there’s a fair argument to be made that he was going for the head; and I’ll agree with “hunched” but not that Salmela had his head down — it looks like he was eyeing the net. And Carter has a reputation, too.
Of course, the fact that Salmela was badly hurt was mostly due to unfortunate circumstance, so maybe the league really isn’t letting results dictate discipline.
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by CapitalCentre on Feb 25, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Where is Carter’s reputation from?
I went over to BSH when the hit happened and Travis actually thought it was a bad hit. There’s a lot of room for disagreement. I think the Richards hit was much worse than the Carter hit. Salmela is shorter than Carter, turned away, in the slot, with his head down. It wasn’t late and he didn’t project himself upward. He lowered his shoulder and went straight, I’m not sure how much more caution you can ask for. You have to let Carter make that hit because if Leighton makes that save Salmela is right there for a rebound, it’s still a dangerous scoring chance. As it was, the puck went in, but Carter didn’t know that and he was trying to make a good defensive play, IMO.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Feb 25, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I do see where you’re coming from. I agree it’s a matter of opinion, which is sort of my point — as long as there’s uncertainty and situational factors aree considered, everyone won’t be satisfied.
I can’t remember the specific incident now, but there was a hit in one of the Olympic games this week that showed how a zero-tolerance against head shots would look. The circumstances just don’t matter. I don’t know if that would be better for the game (but maybe everyone with a concussion history would think so).
And the league hasn’t come out and said they’re serious about head shots; we mostly assumed that after the Cormier hit.
I just can’t express myself coherently tonight. Sorry I started that.
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by CapitalCentre on Feb 25, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the Olympic officiating was better than NHL officiating, even if it still was pretty bad at certain points and they let a lot go. But I’m completely opposed to the head shot policy. I’m all for increasing more punishment for intentional head shots, but a zero tolerance head shot rule is stupid. That’s the kind of thinking that gets you Ryan Kesler’s PIM and Suter’s no goal. (And the head sensitivity on a larger scale is why Kubina was out of position for the FIN goal yesterday.) I still haven’t seen the OKT hit that go him tossed so I can’t comment, but I can’t think of any egregiously bad game misconduct calls off the top of my head.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Feb 25, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but — do they care about head shots?
Head shots aren’t illegal. Intent to injure is, but I don’t see that in the Carter hit.
by David M. Getz on Feb 26, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I thought that was a fine hit.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Feb 25, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
NHL.com confirms this:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=518947
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Feb 25, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
DING DING DING DING!
I’ll wait to see consistency over a few years from those bozos before I admit their evolving from Cave Men [insert insulted Geico cave man]
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by Chris meet Alex on Feb 25, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Janssen was unavailable until recently.
by David M. Getz on Feb 25, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
In the US Virgin Islands, on his Olympic holiday.
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Right – wouldn’t want to interrupt the offender’s vacation. And because they wanted to see if Bradley was OK.
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I’ve said it once, I’ll say it a thousand times… punishing by results is foolish, dangerous and has the opposite effect to what is (presumably) desired. It actually ENCOURAGES bad behavior.
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by Chris meet Alex on Feb 25, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree wholeheartedly that the League should not consider results. The reality, however, is that they do (which was all I was saying).
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Ask Mike Richards if the NHL considers results in their decision.
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by Knubles and Bits on Feb 26, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
If one inconsistency disproved a way of doing business, you could poke holes in every action the League’s ever taken.
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That’s a little over 20 minutes of total ice time lost to suspension…significantly insignificant compared to Greenie’s 3-gamer.
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And five games of income, with some sort of funky proration built in. Not clear if it’s prorated for the escrow withholding.
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Not really pocket change. But enough to make him think twice about killing Brads next time?
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How does that work out if he’s making $550,000/year? Doesn’t he forfeit a little more money than that?
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Good question. Aren’t repeat offenders supposed to be fined divided by 82, not 193 (the number of games vs the number of days in the season)? I guess the repeat thing is only if it’s during the same season?
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I won’t be popular around here for saying that 5 seems too steep to me. As I said with the Mike Green suspension, if this truly is the NHL turning over a new leaf and starting to take this stuff more seriously, then fine. But I don’t believe that. I think this is just more inconsistency.
No doubt this is worse than what Green did. But to be consistent with the way the first half of the season was called, I think Green shoulda gotten one and Janssen three. Like Green’s hit, this one seemed more like poor judgment to me than a legitimate intent to injure. If I’m not mistaken, this is the longest suspension of the season, but in my opinion not the worst infraction.
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 25, 2010 4:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Janssen is also a repeat offender, having been suspended three games previously for another very late hit.
by David M. Getz on Feb 25, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
If they had given Green one game, then three would have been right for Janssen. But they didn’t, so five is the right amount.
I think it’s two wrongs, but hey, that’s just me.
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 25, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
After watching the replay again, I take it back. He deserved five just for the way he kept beating on Laing after Laing was on the ice and had given up. I’m kidding, but the way he was going after Quintin sure makes it appear that he was out of control which makes me think he really did mean to hurt Brads.
Five’s right to me. Janssen was egg-timer late, again, and even in STL his absence means little. Why wouldn’t Campbell strike a pose?
by redlineblue on Feb 25, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully this does mean the NHL is at least trying to show some consistancy built upon the Green suspension. I agree though, that this 1st judgement after Green’s is not yet an indicator of things to come.
I agree with Janssen’s suspension as per the hit and his past record.
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G.O.D. makes a solid point, but I can’t knock a proper suspension when I see one. I’d personally like to see more strident punishments on the whole for this sort of thing to further discourage it from the game, but that’s me.
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by winterion on Feb 25, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
If that’s the effect of this suspension, then I’m all for it. But I’m of the belief that it will take far more consistency on the part of the league before real behavioral changes take place.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Feb 26, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
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by Bald Pollack on Feb 25, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
5 games is a quarter of the remaining season for a team that is currently four points out of playoff contention.
Even though he doesn’t play a lot of minutes, that’s gonna feel real awkward.
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Few thoughts from St. Louis
- Janssen as a repeat offender, I’m not sure that’s accurate. Sure, he was suspended in 2007 for three games. He was a Devil then. And that’s a lot of time between suspensions to be called a repeat offender. Sure it’s more than one, but just more than one with a decent length of time in between.
- I don’t buy for a second his defense that the puck was in Bradley’s skates.
- If Bradley had a concussion or post concussion syndrome, would the punishment have been longer? I don’t know if that’s fair or not. This was handed down right after the Caps returned to practice and Bradley was fine. Something about that doesn’t seem right.
- It’s a shame these two teams won’t play against each other until next season. I’d love to see a rematch for all sorts of reasons.
In the end, it was a dirty play. He deserves a suspension. I’m not sure five games is the right number, but you don’t hear me screaming it’s too many.
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by Brad Lee on Feb 25, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I’m with you (and a few others here) that are waffling between 5 being too much and 3 being too little, seems like 4 might have been the magic number.
[see my ranting comment and fanposts above about how I agree it’s ridiculous to make discipline conditional to whether the victim is injured]
Interesting point about repeat offending. I’d say you may be right… certainly our drivers licenses clear after a certain amount of time, perhaps this kind of thing should too… wonder what that timeframe should be? Probably makes sense to depend upon the severity of the infraction.
Come back anytime… thoughtful and nuanced opinion such as this is always welcome here!
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by Chris meet Alex on Feb 25, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
As far as a repeat offender goes, he may have only that one suspension, but I seem to remember other hits/incidents. But, I can’t recall exactly or find video, so I’m not going to make a definite statement I can’t prove.
But his type of game is also one that lends itself to punishments that are a little heavier. He’s a kind of player that’s there to add an element of force and physical intimidation, which I think probably went into their decision.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 25, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Correct when he was a Devil, suspension from his hit on Kaberle
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Janssen as a repeat offender, I’m not sure that’s accurate. Sure, he was suspended in 2007 for three games. He was a Devil then. And that’s a lot of time between suspensions to be called a repeat offender. Sure it’s more than one, but just more than one with a decent length of time in between.
What team he was on at the time doesn’t really make much of a difference, since the punishment’s being handed out to the player. How is affects the team is an indirect consequence.
I think it’s fair to consider him a repeat offender even after several years because he was suspended earlier for doing the exact same thing.
by David M. Getz on Feb 26, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
And in those 3 years he’s only played a grand total of 26:34 of ice time so really it’s like 2 games ago for any actual hockey player.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Feb 26, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Melodious! Can’t quite recall the product, though. It probably has nothing to do with gin and tonic, so won’t bother trying. I like 5. He probably got a slight reduction for having personally apologized in the locker room immediately afterwards. Also, he may have been told by NHL to remove the tweet (or whatever). They don’t like electronic media that they can’t control. Have a fine weekend, everyone, I will be celebrating the return of our dear Olympians but I’ll be watching Six Nations rugby, too. At this point, I want the US team to win the gold in Vancouver if only to keep Sidney from the top spot, but to be honest it barely matters now. Now the Quest continues.
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 25, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/morning-skate/morning-skate/2010/02/nhl-hits-cam-janssen-with-5-game-suspension/
Janssen is considered a previous offender because of previous suspensions. He said he’s not happy that that gets factored into his current suspension.
"I think that’s terrible," Janssen said. "What if I do it again? What’s the next decision going to be . . . 20 games? Now I’ve got that in back of my head . . . but can’t think like. The bottom line is, I’m going to play the same way."
Funny, I thought that’s exactly what it’s for.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
That’s the whole fucking point, you ape.
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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly, Janssen being suspended doesn’t do anything for me. It doesn’t directly effect us at this point, so it doesn’t matter to me.
Besides that, he has to play the same way, just a little smarter. No one clamored for Ovechkin to change his game when he was suspended (I know, completely different, but we could be hearing similar quotes from him in the future).
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Actually, people did. Not significantly, but there was a good bit of discussion about him needing to be more careful. At least the way I recall it.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I know we did. I typed that wrong. But for the most part, we didn’t want him to take the grit out of it, and no one wants Cam Janssen to take out the one part of his game. They just want him to get smarter.
Which is what I thought the consensus was with Ovechkin – just be smarter.
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This should be interesting
no one wants Cam Janssen to take out the one part of his game. They just want him to get smarter.
He’s got zero points and 160 PIM in 38 games. I don’t see how smart*er* is on the table.
by redlineblue on Feb 25, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
You can be a smart goon. Fight in situations that help your team, and do the best on the forecheck you can.
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“less reckless” was the phrase commonly use, IIRC
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by SeattleCapsFan on Feb 26, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
"The style that I play, I respect my opponent, but I have to have a physical edge. I hit with force and sometimes that happens. I don’t want to see anyone get hurt, but you have to be intimidating. Even my fights, I don’t punch guys when they’re down. I always let up.I wasn’t mad at Matt Bradley. It wasn’t personal. He had his head down and I was doing my job."
Is he unaware people who saw the hit also might have noticed him punching Laing when he was down?
As I said above, he seemed like one very angry dude during that fight. Makes me think that he was going after Brads with a purpose of inflicting some pain and after finishing off Matt he went after Laing like a rabid dog.
Just a regular, garden variety ape.
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