Wednesday Caps Clips: Russia Rolls Over Latvia
by J.P. on Feb 17, 2010 6:34 AM EST
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Today in Olympic hockey: Finland vs. Belarus (3:00p Eastern, MSNBC), Sweden vs. Germany (7:30p Eastern, CNBC), Czech Republic vs. Slovakia (11:55p Eastern, CNBC)
- In late action last night, Alex Ovechkin had a couple of goals and Alexander Semin had an assist in Russia's 8-2 rout of Latvia. [Alex Ovetjkin (with videos of the Ovi goals), Puck Daddy, Puck Daddy]
- Semyon Varlamov talks Olympic Village grub and Semin goes joyriding. [Japers' Rink]
- Alex the Gr6. [Heavy Medal]
- If you missed Team Canada's "Olympic Welcome Song," un-miss it. Now. [Down Goes Brown]
- Bringing "puck virgins" up to speed on every possible Canadian and Russian stereotype going. [Salon]
- Some pics from Team Russia practice. [SovSport via @dchesnokov]
- Even non-hockey bloggers are dealing with the "Can I really root for Russia?" dilemma. [Yglesias]
- AO continues to be hockey's most valuable skater. [Puck Prospectus]
- The Caps' blueline is fourth in the League in points, and we all know who we have to thank for that. But consider this - if you took away Mike Green's 60 points, the Caps would be just one point shy of the Devils' total. [From The Rink]
- As good as the Caps have been, and as awful as the Wiz are, the two teams are drawing similar ratings. Annoying. [D.C. Sports Bog]
- Unable to come up with something on their own, the Caps are asking you guys to write a new goal song for them. [OFB]
- The Bears are simply dominating the A. [Capitals, Patriot-News]
- Really thought-provoking stuff on personnel management. [FanPost]
- Finally, happy 53rd birthday to Archie Henderson.
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I wonder how much it hurt DGB to write “Brian Burke + Ron Wilson = last place team.” Either way excellent video, already added it to my ipod.
"Welcome to Canada -– everything fun is always behind a fence."
Awesome. My son is trying to figure out why i’m giggling at the breakfast table when I’m not watching cartoons.
by HateOffSeason on Feb 17, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
Slightly related, but DGB’s Twitter is worth following if for nothing else than his Olympic comments. He was on a roll yesterday.
"Where are we going Morty?"
"Back to the boatyard. Somebody's about to get a fucking slap."
by Bald Pollack on Feb 17, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
hah, That Video was well worth watching.
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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 17, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Almost everything DownGoesBrown does is worth watching/reading.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 17, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
no doubt
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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 17, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder how much it hurt DGB to write "Brian Burke + Ron Wilson = last place team."
I… hurt myself today… to see if I still feel…
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 17, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I feel like I’ve just seen a celebrity…
DGB, can I have your autograph?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Feb 17, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wrote this fanshot a couple of weeks ago, that was similar to the article from From the Rink, but from a Washington perspective. Pretty much drew the same conclusions, that the Caps get fine production from the blue line, even though we bemoan the fact that it seems like Green is the only one scoring. It seems to be more of a strategy issue for the lopsided production than a player issue.
Sometimes, you can over-analyze a thing. I was taken by this comment in the Puck Prospectus piece…
Crosby has finally gotten the Penguins power-play roaring back to life: since mid-December they’ve been scoring at a 20.1% clip, 7th in the league over that period.
That’s explained away by a relatively simple phenomenon — the Penguins stopped being utterly awful on the road. Until they played Florida on December 12th, their road power play was running at 10.3 percent. In 15 road games since, they have been at 15.8 percent. They are actually worse at home in that same stretch, compared to games leading up to the game against Florida on December 12th (25.8 percent before, 24.1 percent since).
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Without looking at it, it seems to be an issue of regressing to the mean. They just have too many good players to have that bad of a powerplay forever.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 17, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
They just have too many good players to have that bad of a powerplay forever.
You’d think that, and I think THEY think that too…..But just having Gonchar, Malkin and Crosby pass it among each other (mainly around the perimeter) while the other two guys stand around is not going to convert PP’s. They need a change in philosophy.
"I'm glad I got drafted first, because no one remembers number two." -- Alexandre Daigle
by Hooks Orpik on Feb 17, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
yo, Hooks
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Heard that Pittsburgh might be interested in Dan Hamhuis—is that true/false?
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Of course Pittsburgh would be interested, but I’m guessing Nashville isn’t going to be interested in Mark Eaton, a prospect and not a 1st round pick.
"I'm glad I got drafted first, because no one remembers number two." -- Alexandre Daigle
by Hooks Orpik on Feb 17, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Music to my ears. A D for D swap makes little to no sense if NSH wants help immediately, and I don’t see who PIT can really give up that helps NSH now and doesn’t create another hole for PIT.
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That’s what I see when I watch PIT. Crosby sits on the halfwall, Malkin and Gooch on the points, and they pass it around looking for a one-timer. They rarely move around to force the PK out of their box.
I know you watched Russia last night. Think about Malkin’s goal. If he learns to play like that in the NHL he’ll be scary. I don’t know if it was the Russian coaching or what but he was camped out right in front and pounced on the rebound. Of course, Norway is terrible, but the point holds.
Now, what I hated about Russia. How the fuck are you going to bring half your forward corps from the KHL to try to “showcase” your KHL talent and then play Malkin, AO, Semin, and Kovalchuk on the PK? Those guys are ES and PP mainstays and then you want to PK them against Norway in a blowout? They aren’t even known as PKers in the NHL! Obviously I have the Caps’ interest in mind and don’t want AO getting burned out, but even for the sake of Team Russia it doesn’t make sense to rely so heavily on your skill guys. I can’t think of many NHL teams that use their best players as their primary PP and PK units. If you’re trying to show the world how good the KHL players are, then fucking play them. It was Norway for Christ’s sake.
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I thought Russia played Latvia?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 17, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I just didn’t understand why they bothered to put their KHL guys at the points on the power play while moving OV down low. Why not put Gonchar/Markov at the top with OV and take advantage of his howitzer while moving any number of the other talented forwards down low to cycle it around? It makes no sense.
i agree, i don’t think it was about over-using the NHL guys by putting them on PK. i think it was about misusing both their NHL guys and their KHL guys. the KHL core got at least 2 chances as the main PP group.
by Natty Bumppo on Feb 17, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Gonchar also missed a month, and played no games between 10/20 & 11/19.
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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 17, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
I would also wonder about something else regarding the recent success — from Jan. 5-25, the Pens were 11-for-45 (24.4%) for all games. Of those 11 games, the first eight, I believe, were missed by Mike Yeo (Penguins’ power play coach) due to illness. He’s been something of a a scapegoat for the problems that power play has had over the past two years. In their last eight games since Jan. 25 they are 4-for-24 (16.7%).
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Petr Sykora had 28 PPG in the past two seasons, removing that triggerman from the equation has hurt I think a little more than the time even realized it might (not that he has anything left in the tank, anyways).
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by Hooks Orpik on Feb 17, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Which Petr Sykora? ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 17, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
So I tried to take a brief nap and wake up to watch Russia but changed my mind. How did Latvia score twice?
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Probably Ovechkin not backchecking.
Go Flyers!
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by J.P. on Feb 17, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
First one, Nabby was screened; second was a rocket from the point that went over his glove.
Watched it this morning (thanks, DVR!). 2 scenes made the game: Ovi playing on the PK, and a shot of the press box showing Varly, listening intently to (and hopefully learning from) what Vladislav Tretiak had to say.
"We'll just reload our weapons and be ready for the second half of the season." - AO
Dude, when Tretiak tells you even where to eat dinner, you become a better goaltender.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Feb 17, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Perhaps he was suggesting chicken tenders.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
nacho’s maybe?
"the other day on sportscenter they said something along the lines of "the capitals score so much tiger woods is jealous" haha had me laughing hard while i was eating my cereal"
nachos don’t make you a better tender, though. Tretiak’s got this shit down to science.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
And shits frequently if he’s suggesting fast food.
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by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
from the WaPo Heavy Medals blog
I have a C on my heart.
by boutros23 on Feb 17, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From a long interview with Tretiak:
About Varlamov still can not say anything. Just a good boy, and I saw his eyes when he looked at me in Montreal. He then played well against Montreal "- a very talented, well. I watched how he played, and immediately realized that this is indeed the goalkeeper of the future. I see that he’s a good guy, and is experiencing great. Even said: “If the Olympics did not go, I’ll hang myself … I always have no luck, then I broke my leg, now injured.” You see, he is a great desire. This is the meaning of life – to go to the Olympics.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
Tretiak (hearts) Semyon
A little more:
We have followed Semyon. The guy looks great in Washington. " In this competition for him there is a strong goalie Jose Theodore. In short, Varlamov – our “star”. And if a little laying the cards, then take it already with an eye to Sochi. For this Olympics I say that we have a very good goalkeeper brigade.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
That photo alone made the Olympics worth it to me. Having the best in the world play with the best in the world and learn from the best in the world — well, I think it’s going to play some dividends on down the line.
Awesome.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Feb 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Watching that game last night reminds me… I miss Feds.
He’s still a difference-maker.
He looked about 65 years-old in a second-intermission interview.
He would definitely make a difference on the Caps. They’d be royally screwed with regards to the cap, as opposed to just normally screwed.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 17, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gotta wonder if Archie Henderson is still playing in some beer league in Canada where fighting is allowed… he was a tough fighter and had a rep throughout the AHL. I was in college in Rochester in the early 1980s, and he was playing for Hershey mostly (with the occasional call up to the Caps) and when he skated out with the Bears, the crowd would boo.
What made the old Rochester War Memorial interesting was that both teams came out of the same walkway and the locker rooms were about 20 feet apart. On one occasion after a game, Henderson was pounding on the Amerks’ door demanding to get in there to get back at one of the Amerks (most likely Val James). I was watching from the seats and I thought he might actually be able to kick in the door….
Let's go Caps!
I was trying to find the box score for the 12/21/80 game against the Flyers (Caps first-ever win against them). Archie was called up to provide muscle for that game (he played maybe 10 games for the Caps) and there was some big-time brawling in that one.
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That 1st period was certainly an example of the old-old NHL. Starting at 0:19 (12 penalties at that point alone), Henderson served a Bench minor, then got Fighting at 4:03, and Fighting, a 10-min misconduct and an Unsportsmanlike at 13:23. I remember the boxes being too full for everyone to sit down.
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Looks like full online replays are available for free
Can’t verify because I don’t feel like installing Silverlight on my work computer, but here:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/hockey/resultsandschedules/index.html
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Watching the Russia game this morning before work, did anyone else think how much better Backs looks between AO and 28 than Dats did?
Nothing against Dats, but just playing with those two, it really showed how much better of a player Backstrom already seems to be, to me.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions
no way… he just has so much more seasoning w/ Ovi and Semin. Give my boy Pav’s the end of this week and he’ll be clicking w/ them
"the other day on sportscenter they said something along the lines of "the capitals score so much tiger woods is jealous" haha had me laughing hard while i was eating my cereal"
Datsyuk is a better player than Backstrom, although that will change pretty soon. Give Datsyuk a few games to play with Ovechkin, and you’ll see some amazing things.
In the game last night, though, Datsyuk didn’t/couldn’t protect the puck the way Backs does. Perhaps it was game 1 jitters, but that’s what I noticed.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta be jitters. Datsyuk is one of the best in the game at that particular skill.
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Or the fact that they’re playing hockey starting at 9:30 at night and already two or three timezones west of where they’re used to being might be a factor, too…
Anybody else notice that ALL the Russian games start at 9:30 PM PST??? And Canada gets to play earlier in the day.
The medal round? It’s earlier in the day too…
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by IRockTheRed on Feb 17, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, speaking of, when is the Sweden game today? I completely forgot to set it to record.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Times in EST
Men’s Games
3:00 PM – Finland vs. Belarus
7:30 PM – Sweden vs. Germany
12:00 AM – Czech Republic vs. Slovakia
Women’s Games
5:30 PM – Canada vs. Sweden
10:00 PM – Slovakia vs. Switzerland
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by IRockTheRed on Feb 17, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I think it might be the for the people in Russia wanting to watch their teams.
A 9 PM Vancouver start means it’s 8 AM in Moscow. If they played at 5 in the afternoon, that’s 4 AM.
That’s a real good point. I can certainly appreciate that, but the IOC should definitely balance competitive integrity with the desire of the home crowd. I’m not sure that the late starts really hurt Russia, but it’s something the IOC should have considered (and maybe they did).
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Every U.S. game (except for the one against Canada and Medal Round should they get that far) will be at 3 pm Eastern.
Really helps to build the interest in the NHL eh?
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Sure… unless your team doesn’t have any Team USA players on it, and they’re mostly Team Russia and playing at midnight… :-p
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by IRockTheRed on Feb 17, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure how the players felt, but I’d guess that Moscovites (+11 hrs) prefer watching the game at 8:30am rather than the middle of the night.
"We'll just reload our weapons and be ready for the second half of the season." - AO
You weren’t dreaming, but that poor Latvian is going to be having Ovi nightmares for a while.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Haha, man that hit was hilarious.
Latvian lines up Ovi – we all know a hit is coming
Ovi doesn’t see Latvian – “oh noes! Ovi doesn’t see him!”
Latvian makes contact with Ovi, bounces off Ovi, hits the ice hard
Ovi doesn’t budge, skates away like nothing happened.
I wish I could find a replay of this
by Mill Burray on Feb 17, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Since the test was after practice, and he skated in the game that night….I’d say yes.
"We'll just reload our weapons and be ready for the second half of the season." - AO
Results and adjudication and all that fun stuff come back later, that’s how people get medals and then lose them.
Nobody else up to watch US curling vs Norway after hockey? Turned out to be the last match and all the boisterous Canadians stayed after the Canadian match was over to sing their version of the Euro-futbol standard “Oh-e oh-e oh-e oh-e, Oh-e, Oh-e” but they were all singing “Nor-way, norway norway norway, Nor-way, nor-way”.
They were just having fun, like when they all cheered for China over France earlier.
Missed it, but it sounds like everyone had fun.
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Thanks for the link. I saw that last night and was about to start yelling at the TV. I hate Milbury, and I’m glad that JR tells it how it is.
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by Jake Shapiro on Feb 17, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
“Yeah,” said Milbury, “but isn’t the score right now Crosby 1 Cup, Ovechkin none, JR? Doesn’t it come down to winning?”
Although when their careers are over it would be fair to evaluate them in the context of whether/how many Cups were won (just about any all-time great you can imagine has his name on the Cup at least once), in the history of the Stanley Cup, it has never been awarded to a player.
Truth be told, if I had to build a team from scratch, and I had the very first pick, it would be Crosby. Not for his being a better player (whether he is or not), or for being “professional” or “workmanlike,” but because of the position he plays. He is the best center in the game, and if I want to be strong down the middle, I’m starting there.
Milbury’s comments go beyond bias and smack of outright bigotry. Crosby is seen as having the virtues of professionalism and a strong work ethic, while Ovechkin is just having a “day at the beach.” It isn’t much of a leap to conclude that Ovechkin doesn’t have the “essentials” to be a winner, and the more ominous comment in this area comes later — “He’s been pretty good since they gave him the C. Let’s see if he can take it all the way through.” It sounds an awful lot like the sort of comment that might have been directed at, say, Doug Williams as a quarterback and leader back in 1988.
Back to the original question, if you’re going to compare Ovechkin to a contemporary player, there really isn’t one, especially if you do the comparing to other wingers. In terms of production, what winger combines his scoring ability (goals/points), his stamina (average time on ice/average shift time), his ability to deliver and take a hit? Gaborik scores and gets lots of ice time, but there is no physical dimension to his game. Heatley scores and is pretty sturdy, but he isn’t an aggressive physical player. Kovalchuk? He has 16 hits in 55 games. Despite size similar to Ovechkin, he plays smaller. Corey Perry is similar in that he combines scoring and physical play, but he is several weight classes lower in production. If there is one player who does combine those things, it isn’t a winger, but a center. Ryan Getzlaf might be the closest approximation to Ovechkin in terms of production, but Ovechkin impresses me as a better skater and his production is higher.
Past players? Gordie Howe and Maurice Richard are the usual comparisons, but Ovechkin is two inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than Howe was when he played, and four inches taller and 60 pounds heavier than Richard. Ovechkin doesn’t have either one’s mean streak, but he isn’t a shrinking violet, either.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 17, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I think the two reasons I’d pick Crosby over Ovechkin when starting a team right now are his position (as you mentioned) and his age. Crosby’s two years younger than OV (although they both came into the league the same year due to the lockout and the fact that Ovechkin’s birthday was just after the draft cutoff).
And Getzlaf — for his size and grit — just doesn’t score many goals. He’s never scored more than 25 in the NHL (he’s done that twice). Does he have that bad of a scoring touch? Even Joe Thornton (who has been criticized often for not taking more shots and scoring more goals) has had a couple of 35+ goal seasons.
Getzlaf's an above average goalscorer
He has some of the best hands I’ve ever seen. Selanne, Ryan, and Perry all hugely benefit from his passing, so the goal burden is taken off of him some.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
His one timer from the circles on the PP is a freaking rocket. Very similar to the type of shot that AO and Kovalchuk are set up for on the PP.
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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
His goal totals are: 14 (in 57 games), 25, 24, 25, and 17 this season (in 56 games). That’s not above average to me. (He was tied for 60th last season.)
uh
I wasn’t talking about his totals, but his capability. I’d trade almost anyone for Getzlaf without blinking an eye, with the expectation of him carrying the mail offensively.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
What does that mean? Because he seems capable of scoring more (even though through 5 seasons he hasn’t) you’re so sold on the guy?
pretty much
You know Getzlaf has the skills. Those just aren’t his duties in Anaheim. Perry, Selanne, and Ryan don’t have the setup skills he does, so he has to dish out all the helpers. He’s not exactly the lead dog for the Ducks, and if he was somewhere else (never will be, though), I think he would have much higher stats.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Just look at Crosby this year. If a guy has that much talent, and changes his game to shoot more, he’ll score more. Getzlaf isn’t as good as Crosby, but he’s got a great shot and great hands. If he wanted to, he could score a lot more goals. He’s just a pass first guy and hasn’t flipped that switch like Crosby has. I think that’s probably because he has actual talent to play with on the wings so passing the puck isn’t a waste of his time.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Milbury’s comments go beyond bias and smack of outright bigotry.
Maybe it’s just personal against Ovechkin. Sometimes when the so-called experts lay into a guy, they never stray, no matter what the evidence — like Merrill Hoge on Vince Young. Knowing Milbury, it could be a broader issue, but perhaps it’s just personal bias.
Also think it’s funny Milbury was talking to Jeremy Roenick — who not a generational talent like Sid or AO still was a star — and never won the Cup either.
"I'm glad I got drafted first, because no one remembers number two." -- Alexandre Daigle
by Hooks Orpik on Feb 17, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
That could very well be, but in addition to Crosby and Ovechkin being 1 and 1a in the league as players (in which order is a matter of some debate), they are also at the tip of the spear with respect to the whole Canadian vs. European debate, too, odd as it might seem in that Ovechkin plays a very “North American” game. But there seems to be a hint of “he’s a European, so he can’t be a winner/leader” that dogged Europeans until Nicklas Lidstrom put that to rest…sort of.
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I think you’re probably right, specifically for the older commentators (especially Canadian ones) who remember when North America (read: Canada) versus The Europeans was a big deal.
For the younger people, it’s no big deal if you’re from Moose Jaw, Moscow or Massachusetts or anywhere in between… The Cherry’s and Milbury’s of the world seem to clutch to that whole pointless debate more.
"I'm glad I got drafted first, because no one remembers number two." -- Alexandre Daigle
Maybe it’s just personal against Ovechkin…like Merrill Hoge on Vince Young
if AO’s a dog, then milbury’s a cat.
by Natty Bumppo on Feb 17, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
“a little cat”… one of the best sound bites ever!
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Feb 17, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Could be a personal thing...
…after all, not many folks have called Milbury “a little cat” (meaning you-know-what) on national TV.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Feb 17, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
twas a great “burn”. And in a second language no less.
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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 17, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting that Milbury would make a swipe like that at Ovechkin considering the number of Cups he won as a player, coach and GM (zero). Of course, I’m surprised that JR didn’t think it was also a swipe aimed at him. JR never won the Cup either, but he may become a coach or GM one day and could win it… Milbury will never be a coach or GM in the NHL ever again.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Feb 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Great stuff Peerless, but I have one bone to pick.
Truth be told, if I had to build a team from scratch, and I had the very first pick, it would be Crosby. Not for his being a better player (whether he is or not), or for being "professional" or "workmanlike," but because of the position he plays. He is the best center in the game, and if I want to be strong down the middle, I’m starting there.
The flaw in this argument, aside from the fact that you aren’t picking the best available player, lies below in your post. As far as replacement on the wings, there aren’t more than a couple guys that are even a decent replacement for AO. The NHL is currently flush with centers. Sure, Crosby may be the best, but the drop from him to Malkin, or Backstrom, or Datsyuk, or Getzlaf, etc. is not as large. You can still have a great team down the middle even if you miss out on Crosby. If you miss out on AO your wing compliment, and your goal scoring ability, is hampered much more.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 17, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with this: AO is the most irreplaceable of the players listed, and, therefore, the most valuable.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
It’s why I’d take Mike Green right quick — probably before Nick Backstrom. Who else can do what Greener does?
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by Gould Old Days on Feb 17, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
this
If you’re starting a team, it goes Ovechkin first, because of all the good centers. F/B left out more than a few franchise centers not named Crosby.
Staal, Richards, Toews, etc. and etc.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
both Staals, actually
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well he left out Jordan Staal because there’s not a universe where he’s a franchise center.
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by jordanDC on Feb 17, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not franchise but he could prolly play 2C on a team that didn’t already have Geno and Sid, right?
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Maybe if that team played in Edmonton or Columbus. I have Staal hate.
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We’ve been over the “Pitt got exactly what it wanted and look where it got them” argument, but I still don’t understand how you take Staal over Toews or Backs.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
you don't take him over those two
But, for example, he’d a top player in Nashville. Lots of places he’d be a top center.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not on a team with Cup aspirations.
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fair enough
Might be better to say he’d be a top PKer or shutdown center, then, since every team has cup aspirations.
I don’t watch him alot, though, I mainly have that image from Sunday seared into my head where he left Kevin Klein’s jock in the rafters of the igloo.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, you saw one of his moments of glory. He’s got the tantalizing skill but he’s not a guy that is going to carry your offense, which is what you want in your top C.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly. But he still sucks.
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Staal hate much?
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
That’s an understatement. The whole family is overrated and for a bunch of big strong men who can’t be pushed off the puck they sure flop a lot.
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what about Marc?
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
lmao
I forgot about that, rec’d for hilarity.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I periodically thank my lucky stars that I was at that game.
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by CapitalCentre on Feb 17, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the only game I ever attended where I can remember literally laughing my ass off.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Your ass fell off?
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by Scott in Shaw on Feb 17, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which was when I turned off the CNBC coverage last night.
And let’s be honest, who was surprised by that turn of events?
The better question is say Canada fullfills its prophecy and wins Gold but the Caps go onto win the Cup.
Will the Canadian Gold be considered the bigger achivement?
Or flip it, Russia wins the Gold and somebody out West takes the Cup (menaing not Pittsburgh or Washington)?
What’s the bigger achievement then?
Or better yet, Russia wins the Gold and there’s a Stanley Cup Parade up Pennslyvania Avenue to Freedom Plaza in June.
How will they continue to disparage A.O. as the “lesser player”???
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 17, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
He pads his stats with empty net goals.
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He’s selfish and not a team player like Sid because Sid has more assis … What? Oh crap. Never mind. Uhhhhh … Guerin can grow an awesome pornstache! Go Pens!
Ewww… I just ate lunch…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Feb 17, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Guaranteed that if AO wins the Gold but not the Cup the Milbury/Cherry crowd will say “well a one game tournament can be a fluke, in a 7 game series the best team wins and the best players really have to carry their team. Crosby did that. AO did not.”
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I don’t know why anyone’s having such a dilemma with the “root for Russia?” thing. I’m American, so I cheer for Team USA. I never really had to put any more thought into it than that.
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by Jake Shapiro on Feb 17, 2010 11:16 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
actually
They may be good right now. If Gaborik and Hossa get healthy, they also have Chara, Visnovsky, Satan, Handzus, and a few others. Certainly enough to scare hell out of the CR.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
goaltendings a problem when your #1 is Peter Budaj. But Bonzai put together the best with what he had available to him.
its not Budaj
Its Jaroslav Halak, who is sure as hell capable of stealing games and stopping 40+ shots. He’ll even have a couple of capable defenders in front of him, as opposed to the Hasbeens Habs.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
ok, Halaks a definite NHL netminder. Only true weakness I see is defensive depth and strength down the middle.
I don't know...
They seem dangerous to me. Top two defensive pairings are Chara/Visnovsky, and Jurcina/Meszaros, good NHL players all 4. They’re not road cones like Yannick Weber.
As far as centers, they have Handzus, Stumpel, and Demitra who will play center in this tournament. If Gaborik, Hossa, and Handzus get hot I wouldn’t be shocked to see them medal, actually. Don’t think they will, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine if it was still Czechoslovakia…we’d have another Gold contender here people!
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Feb 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I hadn’t heard that thought until you typed it here.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yannick Weber isn’t a road cone. I’ve never seen a road cone shoot the puck over the glass.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 17, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
rec’d for accuracy.
Not sure how the hell he got drafted, but he showed me nothing against the US.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
What round was he? And he’s not even an NHL player yet so you had to expect he’d look bad against NHL players.
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he's in the AHL, though
73rd overall. Much higher than I thought. Yikes.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, third round. Not terrible. You don’t really expect a great player with that pick.
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Poile does.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. But unless he can speak French he’ll never be allowed to draft for MON.
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fine with me
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I hope they play so well that Erat goes back to Poile and tells him to trade for Flash. I just wonder what we’d get in return…
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pretty much just the one option
Unless Poile pulls another fleece job and trades you Ryan Jones and a pick.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
There’s only one Ryan in Nashville for whom I’d accept a trade, and it ain’t that one.
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I really want to watch Czech Republic vs. Slovakia but I’m not sure that I can stay up that late again today.
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by EmilyB on Feb 17, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
indeed
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure Fleischmann is the sort of player Poile would want in return, but then my judgment is clouded by remembering his time here in DC. The more attractive package might be Fehr and a pick, plus other assets.
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by ThePeerless on Feb 17, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
well
I like Eric Fehr, don’t get me wrong. The thing is, Nashville needs speed, creativity, and youth in a forward (preferably wing) and Fleischmann provides that. Fehr is a little redundant to some of what we already have. Flash would be a long-term investment/project. The wingers we have with honest-to-goodness creative skills are J.P. Dumont and Steve Sullivan, and they’re both advanced in years and losing some zip. A Fleischmann-Wilson-Hornqvist line, now and in the future could be lethal. If you replace that with Fehr, well, not so much.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Fehr’s a country boy. Bet he’d love Nashville.
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I wouldn’t be totally upset if he was packaged for Hamhuis. He’s a good player and given the TOI like he would in NSH, he’d probably develop further. Still think TF fits the need better at the moment.
What kind of raise will Fehr want?
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Shhhhhhhh
Don’t tell them that…
Flash is great. And he’s a center. He’s the Alex Ovechkin of the AHL.
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I thought Alexandre Giroux was the Alex Ovechkin of the AHL?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 17, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
This NYT game report meshes pretty well with my own observations of teh Russia-Latvia game, and eerily similar to a lot of the Rink’s criticism of the caps’ top line at the beginning of the season. Carebears writ large, and on an international stage.
And while Russia looked good, Canada looked better. The KHL experiment may come back to bite them.
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To me the Russians seemed a little disjointed — it was easy to tell a lot of guys weren’t fimiliar with each other and it was their first game together. Canada was a more seamless fit of players, impressive for the opening game.
Of course, Norway might be the weakest team in the tourny so the discrepancy of opponents may be a factor too. Latvia’s not the 1985 Oilers or anything, but they put up a better fight and are a higher caliber opponent in my humble opinion.
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I'm interested to see
How Canada handles the Swiss. Better than both Norway and Latvia, IMO.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
The Swiss were organized, fought hard, and played a disciplined game for the most part. I think they’ll bite you if you underestimate them.
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And Hiller is no slouch.
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by Scott in Shaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
No, but I didn’t think he was great yesterday. He should have had Malone’s goal and could have had Backes’.
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So glad Backes scored, but he definitely shouldn’t have.
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It’s tough to call that a bad goal. He had a ton of speed and he’s a huge guy so he has a long reach. Going backhand to forehand like that changes like 6 to 8 feet. An NHL goalie should still be able to get a leg on it, but it’s not a terrible goal. Leaving the puck in front of the crease for Malone was a bigger error, IMO.
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Obviously worse on Malone’s goal, but the Backes goal was one where you could call a soft goal. Hiller could have laid the paddle down and interrupted the whole thing.
Backes is just too awesome to be denied, I guess.
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Exactly. After the game he asked Hiller whether he was planning on taking of that Swiss jersey when he goes home after the Olympics. Hiller said yes. That did not make Backes happy.
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by Rob Parker on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now THAT, Backes cannot abide.
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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 17, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll agree with the “should” and “could” qualifiers. But I think he kept them in the game early and the Swiss just couldn’t generate any offense to speak of.
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by Scott in Shaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but the Canadian team was put together with chemistry in mind (see Sharks line, Crosby/Iginla, the D), so I"m not surprised they’re more meshed. Give Russia some time and I could see it happening.
The other thing too, is maybe they are trying to dazzle, because they know over Latvia they can pull out a win no matter what. Hopefully they tighten it up, though.
despite the final score, i thought the russians looked downright terrible at times. they had turnovers in their own end that were worse than anything we’ve ever seen from mike green. (who was it with the no-look backhanded pass directly in front of nabokov that led to latvia’s first goal?)
and the PP was miserable. you could see AO talking his way into playing the point right before the coach gave him a chance there. i also couldn’t figure out why they weren’t using gonchar/malkin/ovechkin on the same power play unit. together with AO on the PK, a lot of the lineup decisions made me think the russian coach isn’t familiar with these guys’ roles in the NHL.
by Natty Bumppo on Feb 17, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Or showcasing the KHL. A KHL player had TWO goals last night! They’re just as good as the NHL players! AO only had 2 goals as well!
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Canada Adjusted
It wasn’t seamless, though, until they moved Iggy up with Sid. Russia will adjust, too, if they have to.
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by Scott in Shaw on Feb 17, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
And while Russia looked good, Canada looked better.
You can’t draw any conclusions from either game. Both teams were playing patsies and should have dominated. Latvia is a little better than Norway, but still no threat.
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Not a conclusion. Didn’t say Russia ‘was’ good, and Canada ‘was’ better. But my observation is that based on one match each, Canada played a more complete game, and having an all-NHL team makes a difference.
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Agreed about the last point for sure. I didn’t see the first CAN/NOR period, but I assume CAN wasn’t clicking on all cylinders. It’s really too soon to tell about any of the teams, they are just getting to gel together.
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did anyone else notice NBC fell victim to the “federov” misspelling when the put up the score during one of the intermissions last night? i was sure i’d see a screen shot here today.
NBC has been screwing up names, countries of origin, and flags in their graphics through the entire Olympics.
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I saw a highlight yesterday where they posted a result for a Danish curling match with a German flag next to Denmark.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Feb 17, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
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by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I missed it, but did you hear JR make sure he pronounced Nabokov’s name differently from everyone else? He kinda stumbled on it but I’d put money down that JR said it the correct way and the rest of the North American media has been mis-pronouncing his name for years. He said Nabokov like Varlamov wants his name said, without the heavy emphasis on the second syllable.
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wait, i thought varlamov wanted the emphais on the second syllable. var-LA-mov, not VAR-la-mov.
by Natty Bumppo on Feb 17, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you’re right. Ignore me. I just assumed JR had it right because he played with him for two years so he probably figured out how to say it.
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Newsflash: Shea Weber is awesome
While veteran blueliner Dan Boyle led all Canadian blueliners in minutes played, Shea Weber was right behind him with over 19 minutes of ice time. He was absolutely a Tower of Power on defence. At the end of the day, there were some players who did some spectacular things on offence and defence. But Shea Weber was used in every situation and he was absolutely terrific. Weber played an understated game, but he was counted on in all sorts of situations.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatevs. Shrug.
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i was about to add “would love to use semin’s $6 mil on weber, straight swap,” but i think weber will make a bit more than $6M when his contract comes up.
by Natty Bumppo on Feb 17, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Newsflash: It's Norway
Just kidding…sorta. But that qualification goes for everyone on Team Canada, not just Weber.
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by Killer_Carlson on Feb 17, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree
Was only pointing out McKenzie’s praise of him.
Duncan Keith was just as good, I thought.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
?
You’re calling a Preds guy a homer for Keith?
Now let me go make sure he still is a Blackhawk….
Yep!
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
oh, lol, reading fail
I thought he was talking about me and Shea.
Hell no I’m not a homer for Keith. Weber and Suter are both better…
There, that better?
Although, Keith is a great player…
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
i was just giving you a hard time (and yes, i was talking about you and weber). when does weber’s contract come up, btw? in the next year or two?
by Natty Bumppo on Feb 17, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
year after next
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Won’t happen. He’ll never hit free agency.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Told you he was higher on the depth chart. But in reality, I think CAN may have been giving guys an in-game try out. Keith had lower minutes, and I know they don’t think he’s the 6/7 guy. I think Boyle and Weber were given high minutes to see how they could handle it, and because they knew they didn’t have to ride their horses against Norway. Dan Boyle still sucks eggs.
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yes, you did
Good call. I surely wasn’t expecting that.
If the high TOI was a test for Weber, I’d say he passed OK, no?
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by Chris Burton on Feb 17, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah he did, but again, it’s Norway. You’d expect every D on Team Canada to pass with flying colors against Non-NHL competition. Hell, I bet Mike Green could have passed that test!
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To be honest, I was the only NHL owner or representative at the game and I was glad I went.
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http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2010/02/proposal-for-olympic-hockey-reform.html
Interesting thoughts from James Mirtle on making the round robin portion a lot more interesting
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That’s not bad, but don’t you simply run into the same problem with blowouts later in the tourney, rather than early? Granted, those teams have to work their way into their Group A match-ups, but do any of them outside of the Swiss really have a chance at making waves? What’s the point of way-laying the inevitable?
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I guess there would be fewer of the blowouts though. One round maybe as opposed to several days of it.
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by Sombrero Guy on Feb 17, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t mind that. If they are going to get to the Olympics they will be blown out by the powers. It’s part of the learning curve. I’d rather see 2 blowouts than 5 or 6 or more. I actually really like the proposal. Sure, in one sense (that being the perspective of someone disconnected from reality) it’s unfair to Group B and too generous to Group A, but in reality the teams in Groups A are always going to be the teams to make the Quarterfinals. Maybe if a team goes 0-5 in Group A they get relegated to B the next time around, or something on those lines. But it would make the tournament much more competitive and entertaining in the early rounds, and it would give the lower teams something more meaningful to play for than “win a game.”
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
I love this idea. Get more of the major powers playing against each other and limit the blowouts. I can’t see much of a drawback to this at all. You may have people complain about relegating half the teams to second-class status, but as F&B said those people just aren’t thinking realistically and it gives those teams far more of a chance to do something than they currently have.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Feb 17, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Season ticket holder alert
Got my renewal package today. I knew that eventually the crows would come home to roost, but I’m getting a 33% incrrease next year. Ouch!
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Christ, what are they asking for next year? I was thinking about getting a seat next year, but I may have to re-think that…
by DrinkingPartner on Feb 17, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Left it upstairs, but I think my two in 413 were $2,056. I looked at the chart, and they’re $24 per ticket now, $27 per ticket if I wait until after March 12 to renew. Why would I wait?
These are the corners, are the cheapest tickets in the arena (unless they still have Eagle’s Nest), and they are 100% sold out in season tickets.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I’ll need to pony up $500 to go on the waiting list.
Now helping to keep an eye on all things Gr8 at Alex Ovetjkin.
ugh
my seats in the Mezzanine End (behind the net) in 407 went from $950 for the season to $1244 per seat. Its only an extra $25 a month or so, but still kinda sucks. That being said, with the team selling out and fans on waiting lists, it was to be expected. Guess I’ll sell a few more games to my friends this season.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
The buyer still gets a deal, unless you’re selling at face value, and even then, they still do if you take fees into account. Too bad that a lot of the additional season tickets that were sold probably went to brokers. There seem to be more available on the secondary market than there were last season.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
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