Thursday Caps Clips: Panthers @ Caps Game Day
Your savory breakfast links:
- Previews of tonight's match-up with Florida from Vogs, NHL.com (Kimelman), On Frozen Pond (Panthers), Peerless, KOL and RLS, and be sure to check out our good friends and SB Nation partner Litter Box Cats for more coverage from the other side of tonight's match up.
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's practice. [Caps365 (video), CI (Carrera, Carrera), FanHouse (Perez), bridgetds (pics)]
- Questioning the Caps' mental make-up. [NHL on the Fly (via KK), DCEx (McNally)]
- It's time to step up, new guy. [Dump n' Chase, WaPo (Carrera)]
- You, too, John Erskine. [CSN Washington (Masisak)]
- Maybe Alex Ovechkin's production is down because he's starting so many shifts at the wrong end of the ice for scoring. [BtN]
- Is Marcus Johansson a viable answer to the Caps' second-line center question? [Box Seats]
- A look at the Caps' cap in both the short- and long-terms. [RLS]
- Brooks Laich did his weekly spot on The Sports Junkies yesterday. [106.7 The Fan]
- Speaking of Laich, did we know he has a website? [BrooksLaich.com]
- Karl Alzner also did a radio hit, transcribed (including "a lot more better") for your enjoyment. [CSN Washington (Popels)]
- Another edition of Prospect Watch has hit the Intertubes. [RMNB]
- If you were wondering where AO, Alexander Semin and Semyon Varlamov were partying on Tuesday night, wonder no more. [DCEx, Reliable Source]
- Ovi shaving (which I've now managed to make into a three-day story). [D.C. Sports Bog]
- If you need help with your holiday cards, let the Caps help. [Capitals]
- And speaking of the holidays, a peek at holiday shopping with Laich and Alan May. [RMNB]
- Braden Holtby chats about his time in Washington and more. [SHoE]
- Gushing over Cody Eakin. [Leader-Post]
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Love the Brooks Laich website, his biography was very well written and interesting!
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Winning the Stanley Cup is the ultimate goal. I dreamt about hoisting it as a kid, drew pictures of it, had posters of it on my wall. In my mind I’ve won it a million times, but have fallen short so far in my NHL career. So I continue to practice and play every day with that goal firmly entrenched in my mind. The dream of winning the Stanley Cup is the driving force behind all my efforts, day in and day out, and the pursuit is relentless.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 9, 2010 6:53 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Laich, did we know he has a website?
…I didn’t know he knew how to use the internet.
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Brooks Laich invented the Internet.
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by J.P. on Dec 9, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And, by the transitive property, Japer’s Rink?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 9, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
If you stare at the logo long enough, you’ll see Brooks Laich. It’s his watermark.
Actually, Brooks doesn’t have a watermark. He’s so cool, it’s an icemark.
Can't he be both, like the late Earl Warren?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Is it the same with the stars in the night sky?
Tell me it’s the same…
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 9, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
It’s the same. He’s the one with three stars for his belt, and a bunch for his stick… broad shoulders, etc. Beautiful!
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And yet we still can’t get a picture of his supposedly attractive girlfriend. Step up, blogosphere.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 9, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I’m fairly sure she’s in the video of him shopping for toys.
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TMI
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
………so now that I re-read what I wrote it can’t NOT sound dirty. Damn you, RB!
To rephrase in a G-rated way:
I’m fairly sure she’s in the video of Brooks Laich at Toys ’R Us helping him shop for kid toys for Toys for Tots.
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Mentioned this last night in the OT, but if anyone’s interested his clothing line is sold locally at the collectables store at Dulles Town Center Mall in Sterling VA (aka, the boonies).
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Wow. It’s funny, I saw someone walking around in a black shirt with Brooks21Laich on it last week at a game, and just assumed he made it himself – but there it is, on the website. I had no idea Brooks had his own line.
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His logo is awesome

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Two more goals for Sid last night. 17 game point streak. Pens have now won 11 straight.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 7:21 AM EST reply actions
If it is any consolation…Stamkos seems to have fallen off his incredibly hot hot-streak.
/not any consolation.
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 9, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure why Caps fans work themselves up over this Crosby streak and/or production. Personally, I’m jealous of Crosby’s Cup (as a Caps fan) and gold (as an American). But this streak? Meh. (And that’s not to take anything away from how great he’s been – and he has been great.)
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by J.P. on Dec 9, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Not sure why Caps fans work themselves up over this Crosby streak and/or production.
In my case, I don’t like the Penguins. I want them to lose as often as possible.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well sure, there’s that. But I’d rather they go 82-0-0 followed by 0-4 than anything that results in 16 spring wins. I just have a hard time getting too high or low on anything that happens in the regular season at this point. YMMV.
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by J.P. on Dec 9, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In my case, i just like to get excited (either in a good way, or “worked up”) about whatever is going on. During the regular season that results in getting worked up over the success of a great player and other, utterly meaninglessness, things.
Just trying to stay excited.
Definitely a lot of people (as I have noticed on CI and not here) who get WAY over worked up on it though!
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 9, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ah yes, the “Cindy Crysby” crowd.
Pacifiers? How edgy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
I will admit, that I got a kick out of the Cindy Crysby and pacifiers thing…the first time I came across it.
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 9, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Why, were you nine-years-old then?
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Heh. More like 15 or so….so close enough.
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 9, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like it better if they went 0-82-0, followed by 0-0 ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like it better if they went to Kansas City, but that ain’t happening either.
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Aw c’mon man, that was a PERFECT spot for a " and Hillbillies wanna be called sons of the soil, but it ain’t gonna happen"

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Trouble is their underlying numbers are stellar as well as their…overlying numbers, I guess. This isn’t the Caps last year, this is like the Wings last year having the Caps record, or something like that.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
If I hadn’t overslept today I might have got a similar response out quicker than you. The streak doesn’t bother me…IMO it doesn’t change anything or really effect this team. The only thing I’d hate to see is for him to get 50 in 50.
/great tweet last night regarding Ovechkin
And in case anyone didn’t see JP’s tweet that Yoshietree is referring to :
Sid’s 26 Gs in 30 games is awfully impressive. I mean, sure, AO has done that 25 times in his career (to less fanfare). But… wait, what?
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by bagace on Dec 9, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Perspective. Nice.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
OT: do you have an ETA?
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 9, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
The streak doesn’t bother me either. It’s happening so early in the season and as with all things the team will come back to earth. It’s that element of luck or confidence or some other intangible that buoys it’s continuance. Let the Pens fans enjoy it as we enjoyed ours last season. It won’t matter much come April except they could be the likely recipients of the President’s Trophy.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 9, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, I’m jealous of Crosby’s Cup
So is Bettman.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 9, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
But Crosby hates Boris Valabik’s cup.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 9, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
It is difficult, but I have decided that the Penguins streak and Crosby point production no longer matters more than a nagging backache. If anything, the love fest distracts people from the Capitals and Ovechkin’s production or lack thereof.
Let’s get our work done between now and early April and then move forward in the playoffs.
At the same time, the love fest is now incredibly over the top. Asking if he can get 24 in 20 to go 50-50. Doing a comparison between Crosby’s year and year’s by Gretzky and Lemuix and adjusting for changes to the game to show what a spectacular year he is having.
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Is it any more over the top than it was for Stamkos two or three weeks ago?
Hard to blame the League for being excited about their posterboy playing great hockey.
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I guess I think it is more than they wrote about Stamkos, but that could be what I see. I see multiple articles in the national press (ESPN, SI) that are so fawning they are drooling. I see tweets from XM Home Ice asking if Crosby can get 50 in 50.
It is very hard to blame the league for being excited. I agree. That’s precisely why, thinking logically, that I get it and am willing to let it roll off my back. It would be nice, however, if similarly fawning articles would come out when Ovechkin gets hot again, but I know that’s unlikely.
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Bill Clement has been just blowing Crosby on XM lately. You can hear his pants tightening as he talks about Sid. Hard to listen to.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
See also Burnside’s article from last week, to which at the time I said it sounded like it was finished into a moist towel.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
lol'd
Now, having essentially mastered the art of shooting, Crosby does not need to use that option unless it is the best option available.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
^^Fixed
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 9, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
That 11-game streak reminds me of the Caps’ 14-game streak last year, only shorter.
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by J.P. on Dec 9, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Pensburgh is running the exact same picture we did last year for the eleventh straight win.
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Pretty sure it’s a legal requirement to reference Spinal Tap when any streak reaches 11.
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And now the suspense grows — will they use the same picture as we did for #12?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
Of note in the Pens 11 game win streak, only two games were played against teams that would qualify for the playoffs right now. Next up, Buffalo.
Nice to play in the Atleastic Division…
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 9, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
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I was going to point that out myself. It’s been through a pretty craptacular run of teams
Wed Nov 17, 2010 Canucks Penguins
7:00 PM FINAL VAN (1) – PIT (3) Recap
Fri Nov 19, 2010 Hurricanes Penguins
7:00 PM FINAL CAR (4) – PIT (5) SO Recap
Mon Nov 22, 2010 Penguins Panthers
7:30 PM FINAL PIT (3) – FLA (2) Recap
Wed Nov 24, 2010 Penguins Sabres
7:00 PM FINAL PIT (1) – BUF (0) Recap
Fri Nov 26, 2010 Senators Penguins
1:00 PM FINAL OTT (1) – PIT (2) Recap
Sat Nov 27, 2010 Flames Penguins
1:00 PM FINAL CGY (1) – PIT (4) Recap
Mon Nov 29, 2010 Penguins Rangers
7:00 PM FINAL PIT (3) – NYR (1) Recap
Thu Dec 2, 2010 Thrashers Penguins
7:00 PM FINAL ATL (2) – PIT (3) Recap
Sat Dec 4, 2010 Penguins Blue Jackets
7:00 PM FINAL PIT (7) – CBJ (2) Recap
Mon Dec 6, 2010 Devils Penguins
7:00 PM FINAL NJD (1) – PIT (2) Recap
Wed Dec 8, 2010 Maple Leafs Penguins
7:00 PM FINAL TOR (2) – PIT (5) Recap
I believe only three of those games have been on the road as well (and the Columbus game was a home game for all intents and purposes)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Right, three. I forgot about ATL.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 9, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Further, only one team (Van) is either 1 or 2 in their division, although ATL is in a virtual tie w/ TB in the Southeast.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 9, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
OTOH, in their last 11, the Caps are 5 – 4 – 2.
BUF – W
ATL – L
PHI – SO
NJD – L
CAR – W
TBL – W
CAR – W
STL – W
DAL – L
ATL – L
TOR – SO
5 Playoff teams in that run, if the season were to end today.
PIT is a very good team, which is the bottom line. They’re going to make the dance. We knew this going in.
The Caps are beginning to look a lot like who we thought they were, which is depressing.
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Of course the Pens are making the playoffs. That’s not in doubt – they need their goaltending to be stellar to advance, though, and they’re being carried by Crosby right now. That didn’t work out for them last year when the Habs figured out how to shut him down. Sound familiar?
Also, not sure what this means:
The Caps are beginning to look a lot like who we thought they were, which is depressing.
They’re having a little slide of “bad” play but I don’t think recent trends tell us anything. They’ve played really well and lost (Dallas), they’ve played really well and won (St. Louis), they’ve played well for most of the game and then blown it (Toronto)…they’re not quite ready for the playoffs yet, that’s all. That’s fine, they don’t have to be ready yet.
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I thought they played poorly in St. Louis for the most part.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 9, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
My memory is a bit hazy, but I think I should say that’s what happens when you lead for most of the game. St. Louis is a really good team that’s stick in the toughest division by far.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
They’re a really good team with their top 3 forwards and best all-around D hurt right now.
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St. Louis was dominating that game until the Caps scored on the PP. Then they went right on dominating it, beating their heads against Varly’s pads. They didn’t convert their chances, but they damn sure had a lot of them and they had the puck a lot more than the Caps did.
A lot more.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
And the Caps had the same thing happen to them the next night against Dallas.
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I was saying this in the OT thread last night. The way the Pens cycle in the offensive zone (even without Malkin and Staal in the lineup) is scary good. KHTAD added he would give his left nut for the Caps to play that way. I agree totally.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I’m late but thought the same thing while watching the Pens last night. Crisp passing, few turnovers and everyone seems to know where their teammates are. Better hockey minds than mine (yes, I see all your hands going up), please explain why the Caps aren’t doing this.
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They have the ability to do it – I don’t know why people keep saying they never do or can’t or whatever. They may not have the strength up the middle to do it at the same rate as the Pens but it happens and when it does it’s scary good to watch.
It hasn’t been happening much lately but earlier in the season it wasn’t happening for the Pens, either. Passes go awry, guys try to do much, etc. It happens when a team just isn’t clicking (yet), and is exacerbated by a few slumps on the offensive end of things by key players.
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Nobody says they can’t, nobody even says they never do it. People complain that it’s not a staple of their offense and they don’t do it enough. When they do it, especially the top line, they tend to put on a clinic. But when they decide that it’s improper to carry the puck past the top of the face off circles they get in trouble.
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by Rob Parker on Dec 9, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, people say they never do it. Not talking about this instance specifically but the consensus seems to be they’re unwilling or unable to do it – and it’s not true, they do it a lot, just not as much as a team like the Pens.
But yes, I’d agree – I’d love to see them do it more because the results when they do are really something to see.
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I’m not sure who you’re paying attention to, but there has been lots of acknowledgement when they do actually decide to cycle. Unfortunately, that’s precious few shifts a game so maybe it comes off differently.
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The problem for me is that when they do do it, they do it really well and it often gets wonderful results. It’s like a teaser, reminding us of how much talent they really do have before reverting back to their sloppy, undisciplined selves.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Becca. That makes sense, especially the “clicking” part. I just get the feeling it’s not a priority for them. I guess it’s the Rush vs. Cycle that gets a lot of discussion. Also, I would like to learn more about the system BB uses. If you have any suggested reading, please let me know.
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Yeah, I think sometimes it’s not a priority, which is a problem because they’re really good at it in general when they do, and ultimately what ends up happening is they either end up scoring or end up drawing a penalty (which is the case for any good cycling team).
As for systems…I’m probably not your gal, that’s not really my area of expertise (if I have any whatsoever) ;) There are plenty of smart people around here who I’m sure could either break it down for you or point you in the right direction, though.
Smart people? Little help?
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I’d appreciate that. I had a similar thought watching the Olympics (US v. Canada) and was very frustrated by what I thought was Canada’s superior “team play” in terms of moving the puck. I’m absolutely not saying that the Caps play individually, and have never liked that criticism, btw. Sometimes they just don’t seem to know where they should be, let alone where the rest of their team is supposed to be. A long way of saying, again, that your clicking comments rings true. And, of course, I’d love for them to be a bit more aggressive going after the puck. Matty P looked like a Jack Russell Terrier against TOR; hopefully that energy will be sustainable. :)
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Canada’s team play was the result of their entire lineup being way more talented than the US’s. Off the top of my head, the only Canadian skaters that would have played below the first line or first pair were Seabrook, Bergeron, Morrow, and maybe Boyle. All of whom would have seen a ton of time on the second line or second pair.
Team Canada was ridiculously loaded from top-to-bottom — when Mike Richards, Jonathon Toews and Brendan Morrow is your 4th line, you have talent coming out of your ears.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that Crosby’s carrying them right now, though. They’ve allowed 18 goals in 11 games, and while Crosby’s been lights out, I think it’s their improved defense (with everyone healthy) and Fleury coming back to earth.
More like Fleury getting out of Hades and trying to reach Proxima Centauri. He’s been hot, and so have their special teams. That top-5 PK will stop a few goals, eh?
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
When Malkin and Staal return, the Pens are going to be a very difficult out in the playoffs.I don’t know if they have much cap space available to add much at the deadline (every year they seem to add a winger to play with Crosby), but with their good mix of offensive and defensive defensemen and great depth at center, I feel their strengths are the Caps’ weaknesses.
No doubt. I’m trying to be optimistic about playing Pittsburgh in the playoffs…as of now all I got is that the Caps I think will avoid the Pens until round 3 (if both make it that far), so two rounds for the Thrashers, Panthers, Flyers, Bruins, etc, to bang them up a little. And that Varly and Neuvirth are near unbeatable when hot.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I really think (and most everyone disagrees with me) that one of either Neuvirth or Varlamov will not be the back-up in the playoffs. When healthy and hot, they are both very, very good. I just think that the Caps need a veteran goaltender to be on the bench when the playoffs come around.
I’m not saying trade for Brodeur or something stupid like that, but I do think that someone like Roloson or Garon or Mason would make the Caps a lot more secure.
Still disagree with you.
Why the hell would the Caps want any part of Garon? He’s worse than either guy we have and he has 2 career playoff starts.
Mason isn’t on a one year deal, so while his contract is manageable it’s just not going to happen. Even if GMGM was convinced we needed a veteran in the playoffs, he wouldn’t take on salary for next year and, more importantly, is not going to force one of the kids back to the AHL next year.
Roloson is the only one that kinda makes sense but I don’t think he’ll do it. He’d probably have to give up at least a 2 (and we don’t have ours this year), and considering what he’ll likely have to give up if he addresses the 2C I don’t think he’s going to give up more for a position that we don’t really need help at.
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No? In the last 16 games they’re 14-1-1 – over that span he’s got 32% of their goals and has either scored or assisted on almost 64% of them.
I’m not saying they’re not a very good team, because they are (although I think they’re playing slightly above their level right now) but you can’t discount the fact that Sid’s been out of his mind good lately.
And you say their strengths are our weaknesses – well, ditto if you flip that, we’ve got much better wings and a better power play and arguably more consistent goaltending (or at least a stronger goaltending tandem combined).
Guys. Pittsburgh being a good team doesn’t mean the Caps AREN’T a good team. In fact the two have almost…no, wait, let me look it up……not almost, nothing in common. Nothing. Neither team was successful in the playoffs last year, both teams have made some strides to address holes in their lineups but both still have holes, and both have the potential to be a threat or a failure this spring.
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I think that he’s had a much bigger impact on his team’s success than any other Penguins, but, to me, their winning streak is based equally on their defense and goaltening as Crosby.
Centers are much more important than wingers and defensemen are much more important than goalies. This is why I think it’s silly to pay a ton of money to Semin next year (and also why it was very stupid for the Pens to play Malkin at wing).
Centers are much more important than wingers and defensemen are much more important than goalies.
Potentially true on centers, not sure I agree on defensemen – but if the Caps upgrade at 2C they’ll have better wingers AND centers that can at least keep up w/ the Pens.
And from a defense standpoint, they upgraded because they needed to but even with that I think our top 4 guys are more talented than their top 4 guys. And with Hannan our 6 D are probably somewhere between Pittsburgh’s and Philly’s, which is fine – especially considering our goalies combined are better than any tandem either of those teams could throw at us.
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You know, I get pissed off at them as much as anyone else – I just don’t think it’s fun to be a fan and always expect the worst, so when I have reason to be optimistic I grab it.
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I think it is funny how fans (not just of Caps) tend to look at their own team so much more critically than other teams. A variation of the grass is always greener…
It’s very true. And there’s generally some basis to the criticism – after all, who better to spot the details, good and bad, then the people who watch it 82+ games a year?
I’d say it’s pretty rare for anyone to watch 82+ games of more than one team, though, so basically everyone’s comparing their team to small samples of the other 29 (if any). We see the good in them because it’s usually what we don’t see in our own team – if our power play sucks, we focus on other teams’ power plays and see them “succeed”, etc.
Over the past year or so I’ve started following fans from pretty much every team on Twitter, and they sound just like us. “God, our power play sucks.” “What was [Defenseman A] doing there?? Horrible turnover.” “[Goalie B] should have had that one.” Plug in the names, the complaints stay the same ;)
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Here’s the thing about their defense: Do you still consider Green the best out of both teams? He had a stretch of 6 games where he’s scored 10 points and looked really, really good. In his other 18 games he’s scored 4 points.
His defense is better and some of his lack of production is likely tied to Ovechkin, Fehr, and Knuble having down seasons, but over the first third of the season, Letang has been the better player.
Is Carlson better than Paul Martin? (In 3 years, I don’t think there’s a question he won’t be, but I don’t think so right now). What can be expected from Poti the rest of the year? Hannan? Schultz is out for more than a month. Erskine had an amazing two weeks in November, but you can’t expect that from him. Alzner’s been steady, but can you put him ahead of Michalek or Goligoski or Orpik?
From an objective perspective, Green is very, very obviously the best defenseman either team has. He’s, statistics aside, a fair piece ahead of Letang offensively, sounder defensively than Orpik, and more well-rounded than both of them.
by Chris Burton on Dec 9, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would say that about any of the previous 3 seasons.
This season, however, Letang has gotten much better and Green seems to be hurt (and if he’s not hurt, he’s just not playing as well).
So you’re willing to throw the previous 3 years away, when Green was by far the class of the two teams’ defense corps, for 25ish games?
The only possible way Green could end up not being the best D of these two teams is if he is hurt enough to detract from his play and BB never rests him enough to heal. Unfortunately, I think there’s a fair likelihood that happens, but we aren’t there yet (and even under that situation Letang will have to continue playing his best hockey to make it a discussion).
You gonna go ahead and give Green some defensive credit while you knock his offensive stats? Isn’t that what the haters have always wanted to see from him?
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I do – mostly because I don’t think producing points is the true mark of a good defenseman. And while it’s been a nice bonus with Greenie that he’s capable of doing it and while I think it’ll return eventually, I’m more concerned with his work in his own end – and that’s been mostly very good.
I don’t think you can do an apples-to-apples comparison of Martin and Carlson, because I think their role is very different (despite the fact that Martin’s been scoring this year). I do think Carlson’s got a higher ceiling than Martin, and I think he’s been developing at a faster pace than I would have expected, too (as has Alzner). Erskine will be the 7th D. Hannan will be a steadying presence.
And good god, I’d put all of them (except Erskine) ahead of Goligoski any day.
Most importantly, though, is you keep talking about right now. Right now I think Green’s injured, Schultz is injured, Poti’s still getting back into it (and has been very good when he’s played), etc. Letang is playing very well right now. But Green will heal, Schultz will return, Poti will hopefully stay healthy and while I like Letang I don’t see him maintaining this level or this pace all year and into the playoffs.
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Look at CORSI or other advanced statistics, and they’ll tell you that Green’s having a very down year.
And with players like Green or Letang or other offensive-first players, you do go by the points.
Green plays the most minutes on this team (way too many minutes, by the way, for November and December, especially if we assume he’s hurt) and the most crucial minutes. But he’s not playing his best.
I don’t think Green’s playing his best, either – but he’s not playing badly. And while I’d agree that he needs to be rested if he’s hurt, we don’t know for sure that he is (and if he is, we don’t know for sure that the coaching staff knows the extent of it).
And I’m admittedly not great on advanced stats but looking at this I don’t see him having that bad a year – especially defensively. We’ve got guys who can score, we need him to find a balance in his game and it looks like he is.
His offense is down, sure, but guess what? So is the team’s. Plus he’s missed 4 games and played just part of another 2.
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by Becca H on Dec 9, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh, what?
Green’s doing just fine by the advanced stats.
And with players like Green or Letang or other offensive-first players, you do go by the points.
No, going by boxcars is a terrible way to judge players. Especially this early in a season.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Side-question: where does “boxcars” come from? I’ve seen it used enough to figure it it means something like the counting stats of goals/assists/points, and maybe +/-. But what does it mean precisely, and where did the term come from?
It comes from craps. Rolling a pair of sixes on the 1st roll. People starting using it in any dice game when I was a kid. Now they use it for almost anything it seems.
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I don’t know the etymology, but it’s generally the newspaper counting stats: goals, assists, plus-minus. Equivalent to baseball batting average, RBI and ERA; stats that are always reported, but don’t tell you as much as stuff like WHIP, OPS, stuff like that.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Is it possibly just a corruption of “boxscore?”
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 9, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t speak to it one way or the other, I just know how I’ve seen it used in the past.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Green is doing it in more minutes, against much tougher competition.
The original point is that Green is by no means having a bad season by the advanced metrics. Before the last few games (where he’s been playing visibly hurt), Green was in that range for Corsi Rel, well over +10.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Look at CORSI or other advanced statistics, and they’ll tell you that Green’s having a very down year.
His Corsi Rel is decent (high single digit positive), he’s facing tougher competition with tougher zone starts and weaker teammates, off the top of my head.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Green is still the best D of the group. Alzner is 100% better than Goligoski, probably on Orpik’s level though their games are completely different, and not yet at Michalek’s level. Carlson isn’t as good as Martin right now, but I’m not sure why that’s the relevant comparison. Carlson is 4th on the Caps’ depth chart, and Martin is 2nd on the Pens’.
It’s fair to point out the health issues for the Caps, but incredibly short sighted. None of these teams are basing their season on winning the Winter Classic. Schultz will be back by the playoffs. Who knows what Poti will do but I suspect he’ll sit enough in the regular season to be able to go in the playoffs.
Erskine won’t be “November Erskine” but he doesn’t have to be. He’s the 7D now, and that means even if he plays he’ll be much fresher and he plays much better under those circumstances. Top to bottom, I just don’t think Pens D is better.
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That’s because it isn’t. For all the outsiders’ talk about the Caps having a poor D, you’re looking at, when healthy, probably the 2nd best defense in the conference.
Exactly. What people don’t realize is that the D is good, what needs to improve is the team’s dedication to defense – the forwards can’t hang the D out to dry any more than the D can hang the goalies out to dry. They need to backcheck and not try crazy, stupid cross-ice passes leading to turnovers.
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by Becca H on Dec 9, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo. There’s a reason the Penguins are great defensively, and its not really because of the names on the blueline – its because from Crosby to Talbot, they play responsible hockey and backcheck really well. If the Caps can do that, there’s nobody they can’t beat.
And they forecheck like demons and spend a ton of time far away from their net.
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That too. And while Kunitz and others are really good at that, I think you’d agree that its not so much about personnel as it is the system and willingness of the players to do what it takes for any kind of win.
I guess, but if you don’t have guys that can play that way then the system looks pretty bad. It’s just built well top to bottom.
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Sure, but to an extent, the players have to adapt to what the coach wants them to do. Of course, Boudreau doesn’t appear to want the Caps to play like that, so its a bit of a moot point.
It’s not a clear player or systems answer. You have to have the right system for the right players and make sure you fill out your roster with players that can play that system. BB seems to have the team playing how he wants them to be, so you’re right, it’s moot.
If PIT had a bunch of slow footed players you wouldn’t be praising their system. You’d be talking about why they give up so many odd man rushes.
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Despite all the talking, I think we agree. At what point, then, do “you” decide Boudreau’s system just won’t work for the Caps’ short and long term goals?
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. He talks about not sacrificing the defense for the offense (and vice versa) – I think the goal is to keep the high-flying, aggressive attack and combine it with at least semi-responsible defense. They know that 9 times out of 10 they can outscore teams but they’d rather win 4-1 than 5-4.
I’d appreciate that, too.
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That’s different from what CB said. Of course BB wants them to play some D, but he hasn’t made cycling and pounding your opponent into submission much of a priority in his tenure.
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Why not? Lacking personnel to play that way? I don’t think foot speed is the problem, as you mentioned above. Becca’s point of not being strong enough up the middle?
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I think it’s just BB’s personal preference. He may have tailored his system to having guys like AO and Backstrom, but I doubt it. I didn’t watch enough of Hershey to know how he played there, but from everything I’ve read it sounds like they played a similar system. The Caps can skate and have size, they could be cycling if they wanted to. I assume it’s just a judgment call by BB.
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And the crux of that kind of play is that it both generates offense for you and denies your opponents the ability to create chances; they don’t have the puck.
Running up and down the ice and trading chances with the other team works if you’re the 80s Oilers, but the Caps ain’t that. They’re good, but they’re not that good. Not by a long shot.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, back to the system. Damnit, BB!
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
…we’re agreeing again. Stop it. Say something dumb like “Goligoski’s the best defenseman ever!!”
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by Rob Parker on Dec 9, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree that the Pens need stellar goaltending. The way they outshoot, out-penalty and out-chance their opposition, they just need the their ‘tender to be not piss-poor and they’ve got a good shot in any series.
Crosby’s being on fire doesn’t hurt, that’s for sure, but there’s more to the team than Crosby.
As for the Caps, the “they are what we thought they were” comment is aimed at their penchant for playing partial games, mailing it in against bad teams, and playing leaky defense. All habits that we’ve seen in the past, and all habits that have come back to bite them in the playoffs.
I’m feeling gloomy about their chances. Perhaps I’m introverted. Or not.
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Winning 11 in a row in the NHL is impressive, regardless of who you play. But just as the Caps 14 gamer meant nothing come crunch time, neither will the Pens streak, particularly since it was played against teams the might not be playing in April.
Along the same lines, the Caps most recent 11 games wont mean much in April either.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 9, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh is playing as well as they can play (if not better), and they have a one-point lead in the standings. The season is a lot of ebbs and flows, ups and downs, but if you have bad months, it can portend a disaster when it matters. Only one Cup winner since the lockout had a less-than-.500 December, and they ended up firing their coach later, before going on to win the Cup.
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Pittsburgh is playing as well as they can play (if not better), and they have a one-point lead in the standings.
That occurred to me this morning – it’s just amazing, isn’t it? The fact is the Caps piled up points early playing not-so-great hockey then settled into what I think is starting to be very good hockey overall (hiccups against the Leafs notwithstanding). Meanwhile Pittsburgh started the year playing mediocre hockey and couldn’t pile up points the same way, have gone on a tear and have caught up.
The reality is both belong at the top of the East, and they’ll probably be battling it out for the rest of the year. Ebbs and flows, indeed.
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I suppose ours was against slightly tougher competition…not sure how much tougher, though. And 5 of them were on the road.
Florida Panthers W SO 5 4
Toronto Maple Leafs W 6 1
Philadelphia Flyers W 5 3
Detroit Red Wings W 3 2
Pittsburgh Penguins W 6 3
Phoenix Coyotes W 4 2
New York Islanders W 7 2
Anaheim Ducks W 5 1
Florida Panthers W 4 1
Tampa Bay Lightning W 3 2
Boston Bruins W 4 1
New York Rangers W 6 5
Atlanta Thrashers W 5 2
Pittsburgh Penguins W OT 5 4
Of those teams, 6 were playoff teams.
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6 of those Pens wins (and 5 of ours) are also 1 goal games.
Can't he be both, like the late Earl Warren?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
That Red Wings win is like my only good memory of last season. Theodore was putting on a clinic the likes of the league haven’t seen since Hasek and when he won first star the interview afterward was really amazing to see.
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I remember that stretch, it was quite insane. Might have been the best hockey they played in that entire run, too.
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They absolutely pounded the Isles and Ducks after that, too. Not as impressive as what they were doing against the others, but that Ducks game was something to see; it wasn’t as close as 5-1 makes it out to be.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
that third period beatdown they laid on the Ducks was a highlight that got lost admist all the other craziness of the streak.
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There were lots of questions last year about the Caps peaking too early during that 14 game winning streak. I don’t want to see the Caps winning so many games in a row like again this year just in case and I definitely don’t want them to win another President’s trophy. Let a different team carry that burden this year and if that team happens to be the Penguins then that’s even better in my mind. Of course with our luck, the team will start winning a bunch of games again and the Penguins will go on a losing streak and the Caps will end up with the candy dish again.
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by Elliotte on Dec 9, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m simpler. I’m looking for a 16-12 record after April at worst.
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I’m not sure I understand this “peaking early” stuff. Honestly, it seems like one of those after-the-fact explanations.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, I guess that can be said simply because it’s so unlikely for any given team to win the Cup. 29 teams “peak early” each season. The Caps didn’t peak early as much as take it too easy at critical times. They were hardly clicking on all cylinders after seven or so games of the streak.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Watched a little of that game.
He is as hot as it gets, and so are the Pens.
The Flyers were similarly hot.
No big deal.
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I feel like the Caps have enough problems to focus on without worrying about what is, at the end of the day, a hot streak that will end like all other hot streaks.
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Bottom line, we shouldn’t really care how well or poorly any other team or player is doing. You take care of your own business, and everything else takes care of itself.
But still… Sphincters tighten in DC as Crosby piles up these numbers at a ridiculous rate.
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Not mine. The only time Crosby scoring will bother me is if it comes against the Caps, and even then only if the Caps lose.
Agreed. As a fan base, we need to get over this Crosby obsession. The only thing that bothers me about Pittsburgh and Crosby is that they have a Cup and the Caps don’t. Nothing else matters.
Agreed, but I also think people need to quit acting like anyone who dislikes Crosby is juvenile. I dislike the guy because he’s the biggest on the Penguins. I’m willing to grudgingly respect his game, but I also hate the fact that he’s putting up insane numbers right now.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 9, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
This seems fair as well. I was talking yesterday about how I don’t like Peyton Manning. He’s a damn good quarterback, but I find him robotic, and I don’t like how he treats his teammates.
But, I will give him his props as a hell of a player and one I’d love on my team.
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You might want to hold off on taking Peyton on your team until he stops throwing pick-6’s. How does he treat his teammates that you don’t like? I don’t pay that much attention to him, because I find him kinda annoying, but I thought he worked with the young receivers a lot to get them up to speed.
I think your Crosby-Peyton comparison is a good one. Both incredibly talented guys that work extremely hard, but also can be kinda of annoying with their personality. I just hope Crosby doesn’t follow in Peyton’s footsteps and show up in 100 commercials a season.
I see his face contort every time a receiver runs the wrong route or drops a ball. I often see him talking in an animated fashion with the same receivers when they screw up. That bugs me. Nothing seems like it’s his fault.
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I think Peyton is extra frustrated lately. He lost all his top receivers and now is left with guys that don’t know what they are doing very well. So you are going to see discussions on the sideline about what routes should of been run in certain situations. I saw an analysis on NFL network this week looking at his interceptions. The analysts thought some were good plays by the dbs, one was a bad throw by Peyton, and another one the receiver didn’t run the route Peyton expected. They said Peyton was pressing and making some throws he wouldn’t normally due to frustration.
I don’t think Peyton thinks he makes no mistakes. I think he is just a perfectionist and is trying to teach the young guys the right routes to run in certain situations. Probably he should tone down the frustration some but I don’t think he means it in a bad way. However he interacts with receivers has worked with Austin Collie and Garcon.
I see his face contort…
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Who on this Caps team has that kind of scowl?
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 9, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
No one…it’s the other teams’ guys after they get their faces mashed in by Matt Hendricks John Erskine Mike Green DJ KING!!!
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Good point GOD.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Disliking a star player from a rival team is juvenile; Calling him names like sixth graders do is.
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Crosby’s on fire but it’s only December and these things have a way of evening themselves out. Remember when Stamkos was tearing up the league and the runaway MVP? Now he’s got two points in his last six games and hasn’t scored a goal in that span. Crosby’s probably going to get his 50 goals and 120 points because he’s that good, but teams will start doubling him more and more just like they do with Ovechkin and now Stamkos and the goals and points will be harder to come by.
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I could get behind this if folks would continually stop bringing up his attaboys or awfucks when discussing an unrelated Caps topic, but I’m just bald and Polish.
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…and extremely intelligent. Rec’d. I barely made it down to this post. I was about to Shift “A” and pray for a better afternoon.
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I’m slowly getting there, but I’ll admit it’s difficult. Rivalries are an interesting thing.
As a Yankee fan, I don’t like it when the Sox get a ton of press. As a Redskin fan, I hate the past fawning over Eli Manning. As a Terp BB fan, the press about Duke drives me nuts.
I’ve come to think about it this way. Often times, when you perform at a high level with little criticism, small negatives are brushed off and excused. This is not unlike a well-behaved child who messes up once and it is excused. That’s where Crosby is. His double minor last night led to one PP goal by the Leafs and added to their momentum. It could have been disastrous.
On the flip side, when your reputation, deserved or not, is poor, negatives are blown out of proportion. “There he goes again” is the common mantra. I think that’s where Ovi is to most and where the Caps are as winners.
With that intellectual approach, I can get over it.
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Sometimes it’s interesting to watch your rivals play (like right now with Crosby and the Pens) because things are going so well for them. Clearly they’re doing something right and maybe the Caps can take something from that (and find other ways to win, though I’m not sure I understand that quote).
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On an unrelated note, I’m guessing the HBO folks are loving the dynamics of the teams right now: One flying high on a winning streak, their star getting praised by all; the other mired in a losing streak, with their star getting all the heat. All leading up to a showdown on January 1st. They couldn’t have scripted it better.
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Don’t worry. I think we all learned our lessons last couple of seasons when obsession about trophies and stats turned out to be meaningless. Been there done that. I think it’s time I take more interest in watching younger players develop and Ovie tap more glass :P
It will be that much more fun this season to watch the Penguins get high on their own ego and then crash when it matters
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Naturally, I enjoyed the article/interview with Cody Eakin. He is definitely getting tuned up for Team Canada camp. In his last two games he’s gone 4-3-7, including a hat trick plus assist on Tuesday. Video highlights here.
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Guess the Washington Post “Reliable Source” column is derelict in their duty. They only reported Ovi’s presence at the One Lounge anniversary party. They failed to report that Semin and Varly were there as well. DC Examiner, however, did report the news.
Now watch the Caps haters have a field day with that news and complain: “That’s why the Caps are losers — ‘cause they party. Crosby does not go out and party on his non-game days. He comes home at a reasonable hour and studies game videos and that’s why he improves.”
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
Ovie had on some jeans that are…interesting.
http://www.glittarazzi.com/home/2010/12/8/one-lounge-celebrates-one-year.html
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Forget Ovi’s jeans, check out Varly’s threads:

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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
What? It’s held together with rivets! Very manly.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
He was wearing the shirt when the rivets were installed.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 9, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
He is the rivets.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
And in other news, Sasha likes purple.
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Saw Varly at Pentagon City on Tuesday in a red sweat suit. His girl was in a Team Russia track suit. That’s what I call subtlety.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Dec 9, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Much credit to Katie Carrera for a very strong workday yesterday. I’m particularly happy about a link to a blog:
Some food for thought on how power plays relate to playing with a lead. (Japers’ Rink)
No, not that one (though there’s nothing wrong with flattery). No, I mean that when the Post didn’t have the Schultz story, they linked to the folks who did.
In the Capitals’ first practice without Jeff Schultz, who is expected to miss the next four to six weeks with a fractured thumb (read more about that on Homer McFanboy)
Linking to blogs that broke news or ran solid analysis is something TEB never did enough. And then later in the day, she posted a quote from Schultz and teased a longer story she was writing about the topic. That story is out today, and it has some good stuff.
Credit to Corey too, for an interesting take on who will be affected by Schultz’s absence the most (Erskine).
In Toronto this would all have happened a day (if not two) earlier because they’re all competing against each other (though I hear Toronto papers don’t credit blogs for breaking news). But I credit the Post and Corey for doing a good job with the story now that they have given it more coverage.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 9, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
As much as I am a fan of Schultz and the way he’s worked with #52, I have to admit that after reading Katie’s article, I’m really intrigued with the new pairing of Hannan and Green. Ultimately, it may be the best thing that’s ever happened to Mike. While Hannan is a stay-at-home defenseman like Schultz, he brings two things to the mix that Jeff doesn’t possess; a veteran presence and real communications skills. True, Hannan’s foot speed is lacking, but he’s not going to lose many races to Schultz and if he and Green prove to be an effective pairing, I think the two will probably stay together for the rest of the season. It could also bring a nice symmetry to the entire defensive corp with the pairings of Hannan-Green and Schultz-Poti offring a nice mix of veteran/youth to offset the Carlzner age factor. Then there’s the added bonus that we’d no longer have to listen to the Schultz-haters complain that Jeff doesn’t deserve to be in the top pairing.
Poti-Schultz was pretty good in the playoffs two years ago.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 9, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Schultz, not surprisingly, does well with a more defensively responsible partner. Let’s him play his game a bit more and removes some pressure, more or less making him the guy whose mistakes can be covered, rather than having to be the eraser himself.
That said, I’m not overly optimistic about Hannan-Green, but we shall see.
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Yeah, I’m not expecting Hannan to be the second coming of Lidstrom, but I like the fact that he’s not afraid to get vocal with his partner. At times, Green gets that “dear in the headlights” look and having a vet to actually tell him where to go could help. We’ll see, but there’s no doubt that the move to get Hannan looks genius right now.
No doubt about that – Schultz is a lot of things, but a general on the ice ain’t one of them.
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Hannan is also making an impression on Alzner:
It’s really important. A lot of us already just watching him out there he’s a great guy for me to watch because I try to play a very similar game to what he plays and that’s strong defensively and making smart, simple plays. If I could have a career like him then I’d be very pleased. He’s a good guy to have in the room too. He’s a veteran guy. He’s got a good voice. It’s one of those things that when he starts to talk everybody is going to listen because he’s had so much experience. I think we really needed that, it rounded out the d-core. We have a lot of guying that can really do a lot of things. We got Greenie playing solid offense, same with Carlson. Then we got Tom Poti who can do both of those things and then Scott Hannan is just that force that we needed to round out the d-core.
The Junkies were talking about the players going out. Mike said they used to go out a lot when they were younger, that they weren’t any different that other guys their age, but they have matured since then. He also said the team has some younger guys now that got out like his group used to and the older ones are trying to teach them about it not being a good idea.
Which game of the homestand will be the hardest to win?
Um…all of them??
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Yup, they’ll all be tough. But if I had to pick one? Tonight’s. They have the hardest time with “bad” teams, and it’s purely a focus thing. If they can come out tonight, take over early and shut the Panthers down for the rest of the game I’ll start to feel better about their ability to focus when needed.
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Well, considering they lost to ATL and TOR (still hard to believe), it’s hard to think that they’ll breeze through Florida.
Regarding focus, it’s just not what the Caps do, so my hopes are not high.
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Oh, not saying they WILL – they should be able to, though. And let’s not lump ATL in with Toronto, they’re not a bad team this year.
NJ, however………
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Every year, there’s a surprise team that comes out of nowhere to make it into the playoffs. Before the season, everyone thought it was going to be Tampa, but instead it’s looking a lot like it might be Atlanta.
I wouldn’t be surprised if both make it. Tampa definitely has the talent, and Atlanta has gotten their team working extremely well.
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Stinking in net would likely lead to a first round exit, but doesn’t necessarily mean missing the playoffs entirely.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Atlanta came from out of nowhere. There were plenty of folks around here who thought they’d be battling for a playoff spot this season.
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I think they can start engraving Craig Ramsey’s name on the Jack Adams Trophy.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s a bit too early for that just yet. He’s certainly the early leader though.
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I can’t see anyone else getting it at this point. I mean, to be where they are now with the league’s lowest payroll, and no real “stars” outside of Byfuglien (and losing Kovalchuk) is pretty incredible.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not like they were a terrible team last year. Waddell actually built a decent defense. It’s why I’m not shocked at how well they are playing this season. The addition of the leadership from the Hawks guys was a big missing piece I believe.
I’ve always been a Ramsey fan. I have a thing for great defensive forwards. See Gould, Bob.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not like they were a terrible team last year. Waddell actually built a decent defense
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by ThePeerless on Dec 9, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was waiting for a Forbes mention. As much as I have bagged on the guy not everything he did was bad. Plus the goalie injuries during his tenure as GM were insane.
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Craig Ramsey is an outrageously underrated career hockey player. He was a huge plus-player as BUF’s shutdown guy on some not very good teams against some really good competition. Zetterberg before Zetterberg, if Z played for the Dallas Stars post-lockout.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think he only got one, and I think it was in the last year he played. I can’t help but wonder how many he’d have had if he and Carbonneau had switched teams.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sure would be nice to have a guy who could think the game like that coaching the Caps…
On the other hand, no one thinks the game like Gretzky and I don’t have to tell you how that worked out.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Amen.
Difference was Gretz was an offensive superstar with amazing physical gifts. Those types of guys don’t make good coaches.
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Really? When I see tapes of Gretzky, he doesn’t look physically imposing to me, just way smarter than everyone else on the ice. Obviously he was an NHL athlete, which is way better than most of us will ever be, but when I think amazing physical gifts, I think Lindros, or Bure.
Are we talking amazing hands, or was there an aspect to his skating that’s not popping out at me? I know he wasn’t all that strong.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
We are talking hands and motor skills.
I want to be clear as well. Superstars, including Gretzky, in almost all cases work their tails off to get as good as they are. You don’t just do what they do by just being physically gifted. However, having those gifts makes them different and it is extremely hard for them to translate what they know because of that.
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Right, but what always struck me as Gretzky’s defining trait was being two steps ahead of everyone else in reading the play. You’d think he’d be able to impart at least some of that to the players he coached.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Some of that was his vision on the ice. It’s how he was wired. Again, something you can’t fully teach. I’d compare him to Earvin Johnson in that way. Magic could see things in ways others couldn’t.
Even if you could teach some of it Gretzky would have to have the skills to convey that knowledge in a way other players could understand.
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I think you also need to mention his skills relative to the skills of other players at the time. When you see such an ascension of a player, I think it’s because they bridge the gap to a new era of the game. And, for as long as it takes everyone else to adjust to whatever that special player is doing right, that player will dominate the sport.
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Can you expound on what you meant in the context of my post? I don’t understand.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
If you’re going to mention Buff, gotta mention Enstrom, too. He’s criminally underrated.
by Chris Burton on Dec 9, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Enstrom’s great, but he’s not a “star” like Byfuglien is.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, Buff’s a one hit wonder, spanning from the playoffs till now. Enstrom’s been better for longer.
by Chris Burton on Dec 9, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I keep hearing that about Buff. I disagreed last year and I vehemently disagree now. He reminds me a lot of Lindros with his work along the boards and just how he carries himself on the ice. His physicality has helped him playing defense. He’ll only get better.
As for Enstrom, I think with ATL playing well and getting press he’ll finally get his due.
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I agree with you, somewhat, but I don’t know that the success is a product of his skill so much as the novelty and not being able to game plan for him just yet. If he can do it all year, then I’ll buy what he’s selling.
by Chris Burton on Dec 9, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
The season is a third over now. At what point does it stop being just a “hot start” for you?
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
In addition to what jordan said, the guy has played almost 300 games in his NHL career. At what point do teams figure out how to “game plan for him”?
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Also, it’s not like he hasn’t played D before. He started out playing D with Chicago before they moved him to the wing, and he was putting up pretty good numbers even then.
Imagine if that Byufuglien for Nylander deal had gone through…
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 9, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I could only wish. If we had him, I’d make him a D-man at even strength, and a forward on the PP. Make him start doing Holmstrom impressions.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Good numbers? Not really. He switched to wing in the middle of 07-08 and went on fire after that.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
How long do have they been planning for Dustin Byfuglien, Norris Trophy candidate? Prior to this and last year’s postseason it was Dustin Byfuglien, third pairing wonder and Dustin Byfuglien, hai-there-goalie fourth liner.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
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You don’t see anything abnormal about this?

He’s going to hit his career high long before the season’s over at this rate. It may be a hot start or it may be that Ramsay’s using him the right way, but its definitely new.
by Chris Burton on Dec 9, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see him getting older year by year with that graphic. How dare he.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Same.
If you could see a full stats line on him you’d see now that he’s playing D his TOI is up which also helps.
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Well yeah, that’s a given, you pointed out yourself how Enstrom is “criminally underrated”. Byfuglien’s a bigger “name” than Enstrom right now.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Should have read
“Well yeah, that’s a given. But you pointed your yourself”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Christ. “pointed out yourself”.
Today sucks.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Shouldn’t that read “Christ, you pointed that out yourself.”
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I think Ladd is getting there. Gotta remember that he was drafted 4th overall in the 2004 draft class, and he’s been a good player (though not an offensively productive one) on good teams.
Ladd has great leadership qualities and is well respected in the Thrash dressing room by all accounts. He may never be an elite player befitting a 4th overall pick but I think a solid, long career is not out of the question.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Atlanta is really good.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I dispute that the Panthers are a bad team. They’re pretty good defensively (top 10 in the league in goals against) and while they’re giving up 30.8 shots a game, part of that is due, in large part, to their scorekeeper regularly overcounting shots (they’re putting roughly 32.2 shots on net per game). There’s just nobody on that team who can finish.
I’m not expecting a shooting gallery out there, but I have a feeling it’s going to be a pretty close game. 3-2 or 4-2.
The most stunning thing I learned about the Panthers recently is that they have a 51 million dollar payroll.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
They also can’t score on the power play to save their lives, just put together their first two-game winning streak of the season (in December) and tend to get blown out.
…all that being said, it’s why I called them a “bad” team and not a bad team.
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Didn’t we just discuss the Panthers a few days ago? I think in short, their PP sucks, and that’s killing them so soo sooooo much.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t remember, but I haven’t been in the Clips too much lately.
But really, it’s silly to think that a power play failing to connect could be the downfall of a team, come on – they’re probably just playing a hot goalie every night. :D
That being said, I’ve watched a few of their games and…they’re not great. Their inability to connect on the power play isn’t helping but if you look at the teams that are low in the standings, most of them are pretty weak with the extra man. Are they bad because their power play is abysmal, or is their power play abysmal because they’re not a very good team?
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I don’t know, but their Corsi is great and they’re outchancing, and their 5on5 goal scoring rate is top-10. Vokoun’s raw sv% is somewhat unimpressive for someone in the “best goalie” debate, maybe that’s part of it.
And their PP is 7.9%. That kills a lot.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Looking at some of the scoring stats for Florida and Washington, that seems to be the biggest difference. They have virtually the same GA/G, 5-on-5 F/A, PK%, S/G, and SA/G. But the PP% and G/G are the huge differences – hard to not see a link there. If Florida could get their PP working, you have to wonder how good they could be. 10 of their 14 losses have been by only 1 or 2 goals, so a good PP might have made all the difference in those games.
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by timmyv38 on Dec 9, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Their PP is certainly brutal, but they also really don’t have a ton of skill up front save Booth and Weiss. That payroll is extremely high given the talent on the roster. They work pretty hard and the defense and goaltending are solid, but its just not enough most nights.
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by Wheeler on Dec 9, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The downside to being tops in the league for so long now is that every game, every team you play brings it 100%. We get everyone’s best effort. All of our games are tough. There are no easy ones. Even the worst team in the league is still an NHL club, and can bring it.
You had me at no problem.
actually that should be a good thing. It should get us playing our top game every night against teams trying their best to beat us. It should be helping get us into a good post-season form early in the season
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It is a good thing for the team to learn.
In that aspect, while I think Ovie needs to take a few games off and get healthy, I think learning to play with a broken AO is good for the team. The Caps tend to rely on him too much sometimes, and guys step up their game when he’s gone. Remember the suspension last year?
Though really the best would be for AO to take as many games as he needs rest, then come back on fire ready for the playoffs. It’s not like we’re going to miss the playoffs without him, though we might not get through the first round without a healthy AO.
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A look at the Caps’ cap in both the short- and long-terms. [RLS]
Interesting take by RLS. RLS says the cap analysis “long term” and he’s got Carlson and Alzner each earning free agent (at least RFA) type money, so it’s got to be at least two years out (Carlson is signed through next year). He’s got Fehr at the same salary as today, which is probably low for then. But I think the D is high — I don’t think Alzner and Carlson can necessarily expect that much on their first RFA contracts (though I certainly hope they play well enough to earn it).
The striking thing is that he has the top six forwards are all earning UFA money. In two years, the Caps had better have at least one top-six forward on an early, cost-controlled contract. Maybe it’s Mackan or Perreault stepping up and claiming the 2C. Maybe it’s Eakin, or Kuznetzov, or Galiev. Maybe it’s a surprise. But if all of your top forwards are earning open market rates, you’re in salary cap trouble no matter what your D and G look like.
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Agreed. A better comparison I think is the Sharks. They’ll presumably have Thornton ($7), Heatley ($7.5), Marleau ($6.9), Pavelski ($4), Clowe ($3.6) and Setoguchi (currently at $1.8 but RFA and possibly looking at Fehr type money). Couture also is RFA in ‘12-’13 and could be a $2-3 type guy. The cost of their Ds and Gs also is pretty comparable. When I look at the Sharks roster and the Caps roster, my reaction is both teams have the talent such that they’re going to be good for several years, but absent someone young/cheap stepping up as you suggest, it will be very difficult to build what can be considered a Stanley Cup roster.
That’s a good suggestion. Come to think of it I’ve seen plenty written on how GMDW has done some great work with the salary cap. I think I’ll write up a comparison with the Sharks, thanks.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Looking through, I’m seeing the Sharks with six ELC skaters. Yikes, that’s a lot. Caps have some with Marjo-MP-Carlzner-Varlavirthby, but take out the part-timers and it’s just five, three not considering goalies. I’m not confident the “pipeline” is good enough to keep churning out such good players. That being said, looks like GMDW is a master at managing the cap, being conservative, and still not completely un-excitement-insipring like McPhee is at times.
Do you think the Caps should have lots of long-term deals too (let’s say “long term” is 3 seasons or more after this one) ? I don’t, but I’m seeing teams that do (PIT, SJS), and I can’t help but wonder whether or not it’s a good strategy.
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by red army line on Dec 9, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s a good strategy if you’re really confident that those guys will continue to produce at least close to the level they’ve been at, which I do with the guys the Pens and Sharks have locked up. It pretty much guarantees you’re a playoff team for years to come, and if you have a pipeline and/or are confident you can plug other holes with guys that will outplay their contracts — particularly guys that the Crosby’s, Malkins etc will make better — then you can make a run.
If I’m the Caps, I would lock up Semin for 3-4 years if they can get him at around $6.5mm. It gives them the playoff-making core and I’d rather pay the devil I know than spend that money elsewhere. Laich to me is a tougher call and really just depends on the value. I think he’s a comparable player to Clowe and should be paid there or slightly below. If he’s looking for $4+, I think you let him go and hope you can replace his skillset (which is much easier to do than Semin).
by Reckless on Dec 9, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pop quiz, kids – who said this:
“We shoot ourselves in the foot every game. It almost seems we take it for granted that we’re up. Then we slow down and have to take penalties because we’re out of position and not moving our feet. It’s something we’re going to have to [correct] as the season moves on. It’s frustrating, being up with the lead in your building. It should be automatic.”
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Pronger?
Oh, and shoot the hostage.
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Just thought it was interesting…the Flyers are by all accounts a good team, they’re challenging the Pens for the Atlantic Division lead (and the Eastern Conference lead), they went to the Finals last year, and yet they have the same problem we do with closing out teams. It’s kind of nice to know we’re not alone, good teams do this occasionally.
And this actually seems worse to me because they stopped skating against a pretty good opponent in the Sharks. Not that it’s better to do so against a team like the Leafs, and I hate that they let that game slip away, but I can understand that more than not continuing to press against a good team.
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Probably. And I really wonder which team has more of a hunger for redemption – the team that has the potential to do so much yet gets knocked out in the first round, or the team that maybe wasn’t supposed to be there but ended up just two games away from winning it all?
I think you could make a legit case for both. I’ve said it before, I kind of hope the Caps and Flyers meet in the playoffs (preferably the Eastern Conference Finals) – they play their best games against one another, they’re fairly evenly matched w/ each team having different strengths and weaknesses, and it would be a hell of a series. Physical, skilled, up-tempo, a fair dose of hatred…awesome. Not that I relish the idea of 4-7 games with Flyers fans, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
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It would be a pretty epic showdown, that’s for sure.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Beating both Pennsylvania teams in the playoffs would make me finish into a moist towel myself.
You had me at no problem.
I would rather have them play each other so they can beat the crap out of each other for 7 games.
Can't he be both, like the late Earl Warren?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
And then we take on the battered and bruised winner.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Can't he be both, like the late Earl Warren?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I would rather take the most difficult possible route to the cup, and win.
You had me at no problem.
I don’t really care about route. Does it really matter in the end?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Probably not. But as long as we’re daydreaming, I’d like the dream to be as sweet as possible.
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by Ninjak on Dec 9, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There’s no winning the Cup Magna cum Laude. You win or lose and nobody cares who you beat to get there. I’d like the Caps to get the easiest route possible to win the Cup. The last 36 years have been difficult enough.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 9, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly how I feel. Just once, the hockey gods owe Caps fans a non-dramatic post-season that doesn’t end in tears.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Is NHLN going to put the Marlies/Bulldogs on every single weekend? I swear, those are the only AHL games they ever put on there.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions
Those are probably the only AHL teams whose games are televised in general – pretty sure CBC and/or TSN broadcasts them, and NHL Net just picks up the feed.
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Yeah I just saw that they’re picking up the CBC feed.
Kinda sucks, because it’s a great way to “grow” minor league hockey. Would it really be that difficult for NHLN to find a PxP guy and a color guy and send them around to different rinks?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Am I wrong or can they only show Canadian teams – or at least Canadian broadcasts?
"Quint?"........"No."
They are showing Canadian teams because that is who the Canadian broadcasters are showing. They could certainly pick up other games, but scheduling wise it would make little sense. In addition, there are cost issues involved. You’ll notice the game times are day games as well. The league isn’t going to put any AHL games up against their own games most of the time and certainly won’t do it on Monday & Tuesday when Versus has games.
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Does the AHL even play on Monday and Tuesday? I thought most of their games were Wednesday thru Sunday…
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They are and even most of those are Friday through Sunday. I was just trying to make the point that the league isn’t going to go all crazy putting on AHL games because it would hurt their own product.
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The NHLN doesn’t even have their own PxP guy for NHL games, I don’t see why they’d spend the money on the AHL.
The only time they actually produce their own game broadcasts is during the WJCs (which is coming up soon!).
And that only started last season and was just for the US games. Which I’m fine with by the way since I love the TSN coverage.
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Between those two teams, they’re pretty much the whole schedule:
Oct 17, Binghamton at Toronto, 1 p.m.
Oct. 24, Oklahoma City at Hamilton, 1 p.m.
Nov. 21, Hamilton at Toronto, 1 p.m.
Dec. 12, Toronto at Hamilton, 1 p.m.
Jan. 16, Toronto at Abbotsford, 2 p.m.
Jan. 23, Abbotsford at Manitoba, 1 p.m.
Feb. 27, Manitoba at Toronto, 1 p.m.
Mar. 6, Hamilton at Toronto, TBD
Mar. 27, Abbotsford at Manitoba, 1 p.m.
Apr. 3, Manitoba at Toronto, TBD
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I was about to say “He has the best eyes”, so I definitely understand!
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 9, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Lots o’ pretty blue eyes on this team.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 9, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was listening to Capitals Report yesterday and there was an e-mail from a fan asking how Bruce addresses situations after losses like the last two against TOR and ATL (around the 39 min mark). Stretch seems to believe that it was due to the Caps running out of gas in the third period because Bruce took away a day-off on Sunday as punishment for the loss against ATL although Vogs mentioned that Bruce was saying that morning that the reason they run out of gas in the third was because they took long shifts in the second period. Stretch chuckled and then Vogs said that either way, he thought Bruce might take away another day off after the loss to TOR but didn’t. Stretch thinks that maybe that was a lesson learned by the coach. It just sounds like a bunch of silly excuses to me. They also mentioned Japers’ Rink a bunch of times throughout the show. It’s interesting how closely those two follow JP’s twitts.
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I know. I like them too and listen to their show whenever I can but I don’t want to hear any more excuses from anyone specifically from the coach when the team blows a three goal lead in the third. It shouldn’t happen.
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I don’t know that it’s an excuse to say the long shifts in the second led to them running out of gas in the third. If anything I think that’s actually a legit criticism of their game – it’s not blaming it on outside things (having to shovel snow, fog keeping them on the tarmac, etc), it’s saying “we effed up and it probably impacted our game, so now we need to fix it”.
We’ve all been talking about shift lengths seemingly ad nauseam around here, good for Bruce for finally keying in on it and making it something to work on. Hopefully we see the results in games.
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by Becca H on Dec 9, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sure the Caps website will mention this later, but tonight’s the night for the National Christmas Tree Lighting, so those driving into the game, plan accordingly.
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It’s scheduled for 4:55 PM…
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Same problem didn’t occur when the national menorah was lit? :-)
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I just have a bad feeling that we are going to get fucked over in the playoffs by bad refereeing, or if not us, some other team.
That was a ballsy statement, not counting Ninjak’s example.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Is this going to be on the test-es?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have a bad feeling that the Caps are going to play like crap in the playoffs to put themselves in position to be fucked over by the generally inconsistent refereeing in the playoffs.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 9, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh CI, what would we do without you?
SHAPE UP OR SHIP OUT FEHR!
YOURE PISSIN ME OFF!!!!
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DAD! I told you to stay off the CI boards…..
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 9, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
BB said he’s ready, I think he’s gonna have a good night, regardless of the outcome.
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Dec 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
prepare for disappointment tonight: O’Rourke will be on the ice.
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Are we really complaining about the Refs BEFORE the game? Can I just put it out there that this Caps team should beat the Panthers regardless of whether the ref is O’Rourke, O’Halloran or the corpse of Bill Chadwich himself.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 9, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me of Game 2 against the Canadiens before The Comeback. Fans started booing after the officials did (or didn’t do?) something, and the guy next to me said, “Yeah, we’re going to blame this on the refs.”
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i don't care about playoffs right now
Look. guys, we’re gonna win the division. I’m willing to bet we’ll take either 1 or 2 seed in the conference. Besides, April is a long ways away. Of course the Cup is the top priority. But regardless of what we do now, it’s a long ways away.
What I care about right now is the Winter Classic. I’m worried that the Caps are looking to get themselves embarrassed. I think that I speak for most Caps fans when I say that I want that stadium so quiet you can hear Ovie’s slapshot from the back rows. I want to smack the Pens. There’s so much hype going into this game. Come on, guys, we gotta do well!
The game is inching closer every day. I know there’s several weeks left, but I’m worried about what I’m seeing now.
There’s a Russian superstition that the way you welcome in the new year indicates what kind of year it will be. I hope Ovie and the Caps welcome it in with a superb win.
Not sure the division is a lock, to tell you the truth.
Schultz is down for an estimated 4 – 6 weeks. Green looks like he’s playing through a shoulder injury. Poti’s groin is made of glass.
If Schultz extends out to 8 – 10 weeks, and Greenie take the brunt of a bad boarding play and Poti plays on VC ice reinjures his groin, and they’re out for that same stretch…consider playing with a Top-6 rotation of Hannan/Carlson/Alzner/Erskine/Sloan/Fahey for a couple of months.
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C’mon. Push it out a bit.
Let’s say that Schultz goes 8 to 10 weeks. Fine.
But what if Greenie has a zit that turns gangrenous? And then Poti cuts himself shaving and it gets infected? Carlson gets mono (he is young after all), and he’s not full strength till the playoffs. Then, what if Alzner gets an ingrown hair from that beard that puts him out for a month? Perhaps Erskine trips over his laces and smashes his elbow? And what if Hannan, trying to stay at home, gets dinged by a Pronger slapshot in the nuts?
Then we’d have Sloan/Fahey/McNeil/Collins/Nycholat/Miskovic.
My point being – let’s worry about that when we get there. I’m not interested in a what-if on injuries right now. We added a top-6 D. Are we really going to worry now about our 10th D?
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That was a solid Doro album. Ironic that she lost her Polygram contract after that one.
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Schultz’s injury is a fracture of the top bone of his thumb, per his interview with Homer on Tuesday. Reading between the lines and making a bit of a guesstimate, it does not appear to have impacted any of the joints of the thumb or hand. He has a cast on now, and I don’t recall hearing reading about any surgery or pins, so I think it’s fair to have a little optimism that he won’t miss a full six weeks.
A return in time for the Winter Classic might be to optimistic, but I can’t rule it out either.
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With Ovie and the Caps struggling and Sidney and the Pens streaking, the script is being written already. I hope it is not the pressure to be “on” all the time that’s getting to Ovie. As a Caps fan I’m used to getting my heart yanked out, but this one could be particularly painful.
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Wow there’s a lot of pessimistic drama queens here today.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wow there’s a lot of pessimistic drama queens heretoday.
FTFY ;)
Aw, I love my little pessimistic introverted drama queens.
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Seems worse and more over the top today than normal. Pessimism, sure. But there’s a very “woe is me” attitude going on today.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 9, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Tail-end of a very ugly 3-game losing streak. It happens. We also get cranky when there’s no Caps hockey for 72 hours.
You had me at no problem.
Ha! Actually I think the two combined make for a deadly combination. Nothing like getting to stew over a horrible collapse like that for two days…that’s why things got so nasty around here over the summer, too. We had months to reflect on a horrific series.
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What makes you think it's the tail-end!
We are never going to win another game. Ever.
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…I’d be on board with that even if we were on a 20-game winning streak.
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by Becca H on Dec 9, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Always wondered what eagle tastes like.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Eagles taste like chicken stuffed with freedom
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 9, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Looks like Fehrsie’s playin’ tonight.
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Dec 9, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions
Jesus… we’re about an inch away from the comments on this site being the most comprehensive source of Penguins coverage and analysis on the Internet…
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Z key is about to fall off over here.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
I hear you can go blind if you use it too much.
…so, how about those Blackhawks?
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I wish they’d give Turco some starts. Outside of that, couldn’t care less!
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Because you want them to lose more?
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Need them fantasy points.
But you guys think he stinks now? Last season I was shouted down about it.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Shouted down about what? I’ve thought Turco has stunk for years, I’d never have argued against that.
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I wish they’d give Huet more starts.
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by J.P. on Dec 9, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Crawford looked good last night. The Stars outshot the Hawks by a good margin.
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That Marc Crawford is sneaky good coming off the bench for the Stars. Oh wait…
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Speaking of which – how does M. Crawford’s hair stay in place? Is that real?
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At minimum, they must have the same barber.
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Alzner speaks the Canada
I’m sure he’s hoping to be the mp3 of the league.
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Since this game is being picked up nationally by Versus, is it not on CSN or how does that work? Do they just show the CSN feed nationally?
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I wish two other men born on this date, Dick Butkus & Deacon Jones, would pay him a visit.
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