Friday Caps Clips: Washed Out in Dallas
by J.P. on Dec 3, 2010 6:34 AM EST
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- Big show on tomorrow's Japers' Rink Radio as Pepper and Russell welcome Craig Laughlin and James Mirtle.
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's loss from us, Vogs, NHL.com, WaPo (Carrera: blog, gamer), Caps365 video (Boudreau, players), CSN Washington (Beninati), Frankovic, Peerless, OFB, RMNB, SB Nation DC, KOL, Puckhead, Capitals News Network, RLS and Defending Big D.
- Mike Milbury compliments Alex Ovechkin and the Caps (and it's not entirely backhanded). [CBC (Milbury)]
- A look at how the Scott Hannan trade impacts the Caps' quest for a second-line center. [Box Seats]
- Power rankings. With math. [USA Today]
- A look at the NHL Awards races, two months in. [RLS]
- FYI, there's an "Exclusive Wine of the Winter Classic." (There's also an unofficial whine of the Winter Classic, but we won't go there.) [Calvert-Woodley]
- Speaking of that January 1 game... don't hate. [FanHouse (Botta)]
- The Boss weighs in on the Forbes valuations we discussed yesterday. [Ted's Take]
- Skate with Caps at the Sculpture Garden, if you're so inclined. [Capitals]
- Great, something else in which Sidney Crosby robs Alexander Semin of his rightful recognition. [Pegasus News]
- Highlights (?) of Sunday night's Movember soiree. [RMNB]
- The Bears are looking for a more balanced attack (too bad Cody Eakin's ineligible for the A, eh?). [Patriot-News (Leone)]
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Mea Culpa
Quick disclaimer about the Box Seats article. I wrote it without properly understanding the salary cap numbers on CapGeek. So my crude salary cap science is incorrect. It isn’t really easy to edit posts on Box Seats, so I can’t pull or re-write it. (Lesson learned: the editing capability is a blogger’s best friend.)
I can accept the tar-and-feathering that should occur with respect to my salary cap error. What I won’t back down from though is that improving the 2C is the most important need to be addressed by McPhee before the trade deadline. I do not believe that MarJo is this year’s solution at 2C. Apparently that’s not a popular opinion within the fanbase.
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improving the 2C is the most important need to be addressed by McPhee before the trade deadline
Fact (and I think you’ll find that nearly everyone on this site agrees that MoJo isn’t the guy for that role come April).
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(and I think you’ll find that nearly everyone on this site agrees that MoJo isn’t the guy for that role come April).
But can we add a “yet” to that statement or are we generally agreed that no matter how much he improves, he’s just too young to play that role this year?
For me, the latter.
In addition to the fact that the “rookie wall” is looming and can’t be avoided, imo, the biggest flaw in his game is his lack of sttrength on the puck. That will be exacerbated by playoff hockey.
The Caps need another center.
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Agreed. And it’s by no means a knock on MoJo or his development – I’m actually more excited with what I’ve seen from him than I expected to be.
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I will agree with your observation. I thought MJ90 has gradually shown more offensive creativity and confidence, and he did some things last night that came * this close * to ending up as a great chance.
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Yeah, he’s looked a lot better since I was ripping on him for his play. I’d still like to see him skating upwards of 15:00/night, but hopefully that’ll come.
The one thing he needs to do (other than hit the weight room, which will likely wait until the offseason) is quit “tipping” his shots. Every time he’s about to shoot, he does this thing where he he tilts his shoulders in a really obvious manner, then there’s a pause as he draws the puck back, then the shot. Lots of guys tilt their shoulders when they shoot, but his motion is very slow and gives the goalie time to prepare for the shot.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
Just take it in stride about the “tarring and feathering”. 90% of the comments I get on there are people telling me I’m stupid for one reason or another, and the other 10% tells me I don’t know what I’m talking about.
It’s gotten to where the more people I make angry over there for one reason or another, the better I feel about my article.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It takes guts to make your work public and have it reviewed by the general population. When the fraction of the population that takes the time to comment on your work is on par with Youtube commenters, it requires even more guts. You two just keep doing what you are doing.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Amen to that. Not everyone is blessed with the opportunity to present their opinions before a totally rational and agreeable community like ours.
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks Laich It!
One thing that makes it tougher is that YLM and I have our real names out there. I rue the day I walk into a business meeting and have some random tell me “Hey, I know you! You’re the idiot that thinks Jeff Schultz is a good defenseman!” Can’t wait for that moment.
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There’s a Damien Cox joke in there somewhere.
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by red army line on Dec 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
You should end every article with “screw you guys. . . I’m going home.”
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
by D'ohboy on Dec 3, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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Money shot from DBD recap:
Lets put to rest any controversy over the Caps disallowed goal with 7.6 seconds left in the game. Clearly Karlis Skrastins in an effort to get back to cover the front of the net did most of the crashing into Raycroft which plowed both of them into the goal. If Alexander Ovechkin pushed at the back of Skrastins at all could not have put in too much force into is as Karlis was crashing in no matter if Ovechkin was there or not. I believe the key in having the goal waved off is two-fold: Ovechkin was smack dab in the middle of the goal crease and there would have been no way for Raycroft to move into position to make a save. Because referees are always going to rule in favor of protecting the goalie’s right to make a save even if Ovechkin had nothing to do with Skrastins taking out his own goalie – which we really don’t think he did – he’s still in the middle of a very chaotic scene in the crease and that makes him look guilty.
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Yeah, it seemed like it, though the last couple sentences (particularly the goalie’s right to make a save) seemed like an out of sorts. Helps to have people here more lucid than me to hook a brother up.
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Well, that’s why they washed out the Ovechkin goal when he legally blew up Hal Gill into Carey Price last (regular) season, right?
And, of course, we’re reminded somewhat of this.
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But AO didn’t push Skrastins this time, right? Unless some other Cap from outside of the frame did, I’m not sure the incidental contact rule is applied correctly here. I do understand that it must be difficult to sort out cause and effect in a mosh pit like the slot in the dying seconds of the game, but still…the refs get paid to get ’em right.
And I agree with Peerless, above. The DBD take is an oblique way of saying “we benefited from a borderline-to-bad call”.
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I think the ruling was that he did, no? (Which would beg the question of why it wasn’t a penalty.)
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I can actually answer that...
The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player. If an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
and….
If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed.
The second part of this rule was largely created because of the Game 7 incident with the Caps-vs.-Flyers series in 2008. It was not a part of the rulebook before this year. But if this is what the referee thought he saw…….. he could simply disallow the goal and not call a penalty.
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Can this have negative “rec”? Whereas the box would light up bright red instead of green?
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 3, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Speaking of the Hal Gill incident
And you gotta figure BB was asking the same thing last night.
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by patred48 on Dec 3, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Well, there’s a difference – in the Ovechkin/Gill and Thoreson/Morrisonn incidents, the “hitter” legally played the body of a guy with the puck into the goalie. In last night’s incident, Ovechkin presumably pushed a guy without the puck into his goalie (so why wasn’t it an interference penalty? “Incidental contact.”).
I’m still not sure what the difference between Ovechkin/Gill and Thoreson/Morrisonn is, though.
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I’m still not sure what the difference between Ovechkin/Gill and Thoreson/Morrisonn is, though.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Because referees are always going to rule in favor of protecting the goalie’s right to make a save…
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2010 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ovechkin was smack dab in the middle of the goal crease and there would have been no way for Raycroft to move into position to make a save.
I don’t think you can call a penalty on what "would have’ or “might have” happened on a particular play. My understanding of the rule is Ovi has the right to be there so long as he does not interfere with the goalie or restrict his ability to make a save. In this case, clearly the goalie’s ability to make a save was impared by Skrastins. Skrastins, BTW, is listed at 6"2" and 208 pounds. Ovi is strong, but strong enough to push a man that size with one arm into his own goalie, umm no.
In such cases, where the game literally hinges on the call, I would at least like both refs to confer to ensure that the right call was made. If both refs saw the same thing, then oh well. Like in MLB, the NHL refs seem to have too much ego to even consider that they made the wrong call or didn’t have the best angle on the play.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 3, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is what I was saying. The ref who made the initial call was not in good position to see that Skrastins initiated contact with Raycroft and that Ovi didn’t push him; from his view though, that’s what it certainly seemed like. Where was the other ref? Why not talk about it?
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Where was the other ref? Why not talk about it?
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
The review/vetting process that ensures you hold hew finely to orthodox opinions on a great, great number of subjects, including fakery, who and who is not a wussy, limp-wristed, affront to manliness (and the consequences thereof) and the evils of consistency, is excruciating, as I understand it.
So be warned.
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by fat_daddyo on Dec 3, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FML, what an abortion of a comment.
Proofread, idiot.
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by fat_daddyo on Dec 3, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that most Stars fans agree that it was a very questionable call at best and most likely a blatantly bad call. I think what worked against the Capitals on that play was the angle of the referee (behind and to the right of the net, where all he sees is Ovi in the crease, a forearm out and then Skastins crashing into Raycroft) and the fact that they seem to always immediately waive off goals for “incidental contact”, which is then not reviewable.
That part of the rule is absolutely dumb. If a goal is going to be waived because of contact with a goaltender, then make it a penalty. Don’t force officials to make that split decision between interference and incidental contact. On top of that, why not err on the side of caution, call the goal good, then review it? Waiving it immediately like that takes that review process away from the officials.
Unfortunate ending to a very, very weird game.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t have a problem with there being no penalty on incidental contact plays vs. goalie interference. As you noted, I have a problem with the refs not making absolutely sure it was the right call. The ref who called it should be focused on the crease and goal line. He should have been able to see Skrastins come in from the face off circle. I think the other ref would have been up be the blue line with a direct view of the play. Between the two of them, they should have been able to get the play right. However, I doubt the other ref would have the stones to “show up” his partner by overruling his call.
Also, goalie interference is not a reviewable play either way. If they called it a good goal, they still could not go to a review. Its considered a judgement call.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Also, goalie interference is not a reviewable play either way. If they called it a good goal, they still could not go to a review. Its considered a judgement call.
Which lends credence to the argument of allowing a coach’s challenge. Bruce was screaming about it last night but it would only work if the refs/Toronto had the ability to review every play and not just certain ones. I have to think that there might have been a reversal if the refs actually saw Skrastins take out Raycroft and not Ovechkin. That said, I’m still not a fan of a coach’s challenge.
This call infuriated me to the point where I made enough noise to wake up my 6-month-old…
…but I can understand why these plays are not, and probably never will be, reviewable. It’s because it’s subjective. Who causes the contact? Does the defender TRY to fall into the goalie? Is he pushed hard enough that he couldn’t recover? Was the attacker deliberately trying to impair the goalie’s ability to make the save?
Look at how much difficulty there is in reviewing the “distinct kicking motion” in Toronto. All the ridiculous minutiae about the puck being “propelled” or not, trajectory angles, etc… If the NHL tried to pretend it was being scientific in reviews of plays of this type, it would end up upsetting just as many people.
You had me at no problem.
The only way I see something like a Coach’s Challenge working is if the the refs on the ice are the ones doing the actual reviewing like they do in the NFL. The ref who makes the call knows what his reasoning was so he’d have a factual basis to determine if he was right or wrong. I’d bet anything that the ref who waved off the goal thought it was Ovi who knocked down Raycroft. If he could have seen the review, he might have changed his mind. The system in the NFL is too lengthy but it usually gets the call right compared to the booth review system in college football which almost never reverses the call on the field.
Do you remember the ’98 playoffs against the Bruins? Tim Taylor had his skate in the paint on the GWG and it got overturned. The Caps were already in their dressing room and had to come back to eventually win the game.
If this was happening all the time, it would be regulated more heavily and thee would be a freaking huge stoppage every game. But it’s fairly isolated.
The refs judgment is called into question on every review in the NFL. I think a challenge could be used in the NHL, as on the Huet goal in 2008 and last night, but good luck getting it throught the Board of Govs.
I feel like, more often than not, the ruling on the field “stands” or “is confirmed” far more often than it is “overturned” in football. I don’t think it undermines the referees.
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That’s most of the time it ends up being “inconclusive”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
my problem with the NFL system is the booth demands every freaking play by reviewed in the last two minutes.
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I love the NFL system. Yeah, it causes delays, but it means they pretty much always get it right when it matters most. I’m pretty confident that what actually happened on the field of play will be what shows up in the score sheet.
You had me at no problem.
Even MLB’s system, where all the officials confer after a questionable play, would be a better system. The fact that one ref told Bruce it was one call, while the other who waived it off called it another shows that the rogue system is questionable at best.
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I love the NFL system. Yeah, it causes delays, but it means they pretty much always get it right when it matters most.
Wow. I couldn’t disagree more. Football has pretty much become unwatchable for me, since every goddamn play is reviewed. And yet they still screw things up like the Calvin Johnson catch.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
Football has long been about interminable waiting between 4-second long plays. The commercials as as much a part of the game as anything else. I don’t really watch much lately, because the Redskins crushed my soul in the 2nd half of the 1st Jim Zorn year.
And reasonable minds can differ on how much they get right or wrong, but I think it’s safe to say they it right waaaay more often than the NHL does.
You had me at no problem.
Until the invention of NFL RedZone. No commercials, non-stop action, they skip the pictures of coaches standing on the sideline or the referees in the replay booth. Whenever a game hits a lull, they switch to another game, to the point that if two games are both in the red zone, they’ll flip between the plays.
Sure, the broadcast changes focus like an child with ADD off his Ritalin in a room full of shiny things, but it makes football entertaining.
It’s only enjoyable at around 2:30pm and 4:00pm, when there are lots of games hovering around the 2 minute warning.
Also, you need to be a big football fan to care about those games, and since my Redskins passion died, I can’t get too excited about the league beyond the typical Cowboys schadenfreude.
You had me at no problem.
And the Michael Jenkins catch in the Ravens/Falcons game
*cue YLM rant against Ravens fans.
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by Sombrero Guy on Dec 3, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
And the delays aren’t that big of a deal in the NFL, where you have delays after every play and prolonged delays for commercial breaks regularly.
It would be a bigger disruption in a hockey game, but given how important goals are I think I could live with it.
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The problem with the NFL’s system is that they only review the play if the coach challenges it or if it’s within the last 2 min of a half and the booth calls it.
I like the college football system better, where there’s a crew that’s watching multiple replays after each play to make sure it was called correctly, plus the coaches challenges. They check to make sure it was a catch (or not) and make sure the spot is correct.
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At the very least, reviews in Game 7s. Right?
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by red army line on Dec 3, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
The issue I have is the same one I have with the NFL’s system – some plays are non-reviewable, and others become that way since the ref blew or intended to blow his whistle.
More reviews won’t change anything – they still review every goal. I’m just not sure how review would have changed what happened last night.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
What? They don’t review every goal. How could you assert that with a straight face.
Maybe, just maybe, last night they go to the tape, see that Strastkins was out of control and cleared out his own goalie, and then count it as a good goal.
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Actually, the off-ice officials and the head office back in Toronto do review every single goal.
Whether they call the on-ice officials over for what we know as the “review process” is another matter, but every goal is indeed reviewed.
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The review them all to get the scoring right, but they don’t review the legitimacy of all goals.
Lots of things aren’t reviewable, like last night. Like the Colton Orr goal against FLA. They’ll take a look, but you have to focus on the salient part of a review. If the NHL front office looked at the non-goal last night and determined it should have been a goal, what’s the point? As far as any practical upshot, there’s no review on a lot of goals because the call can’t be changed.
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Last season, the Ovechkin goal that they then washed out due to him checking Gill was reviewed.
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Good point. You can review a good goal for goaltender interference but you can’t review a goal that was waved off for goaltender interference? That’s ridiculous.
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Well, we all suspected Crosby was a good little diver anyhow.
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I clicked on all the example links and I still can’t believe that dive he had against the Canadiens. That would put many an Italian footballer to shame.
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There is an article in the Journal of Nonverbal Behavior which goes over diving in soccer. One of the conclusions was that there was a group of moves (chest out, head back, arms flailing, etc.) which they called the “”http://www.springerlink.com/content/k6341643l8p47720//fulltext.html#Fig1" >archer’s bow“) and which were characteristic of a dive. ”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob7kXHhj8eM" >Crosby’s dive against the Red Wings fit that description fairly well.
Now with that said, and to be fair, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Semin act similarly.
I would love for someone with more hockey knowledge than I have to explain why the Caps are in the bottom third of the league in power play opportunities. What about their style of play makes it so hard for them to draw penalties? You would think that a puck-possesion team would be forcing more holding and hooking penalties but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Nor am I buying the argument that because they’re an elite team, the refs don’t want to give them more of an advantage. Pittsburgh and Philly are also elite and they’re #2 and #3 in PP opportunities. It’s just a mystery to me why Tampa Bay has 24 more PP chances than the Caps in one less game played.
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I’d offer that their puck possession game has been the weakest in the offensive zone so far and part of it has been inconsistency and/or lack of chemistry among the forwards in particular. They’ve been a more determined and disciplined group in particular in the neutral zone as a team defense but have seemingly lacked the burst and aggressiveness on the attack that their reputation would point towards.
The refs are crap.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
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The Caps have had more powerplay chances than their opponent six times this year. Eight times each team has had the same number. Thirteen times, the opponent had more extra-man opportunities.
Of the six times the Caps had more PP chances, five times it was a single chance more. Of the thirteen times the opponent had more PP chances, 11 times it was more than a single chance more.
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2010 8:39 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
Do you think it’s because of the physical and aggressive style of the team? Surely it can’t be an actual “conspiracy” or blatant bias….although as a Dallas Cowboys fan, I certainly see bias like that all the time.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
I absolutely, unequivocally do not believe it’s bias or a conspiracy.
The only explanation I’ve got for it (besides the fact that on some nights the team doesn’t move its feet or go into high-traffic areas enough) is that the Caps often play with leads and there’s an inherent subconscious bias referees have in calling penalties against teams with a lead, coupled with the fact that trailing teams tend to press harder and probably be in better positions to draw calls as a result. But I’m pulling that directly out of my ass.
And yeah, Cowboys fans have a right to complain – Michael Irvin didn’t get away with offensive pass interference on, like, every touchdown he ever scored..
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I’m surprised no one’s created a Youtube montage of every time he pushed off.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure YouTube limits clip length to an hour or so.
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Zing!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll buy the first argument but hasn’t one of the problems with the Caps this year been that they haven’t been playing with the lead? At least for the most of October.
And in October, the PP opportunties were close – 51 to 42.
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If someone with more time than I went back and looked at the scores when each penalty – for and against the Caps – was called, I bet that’d be some interesting data.
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(That’s a pretty easy scrape, no?)
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Heres my theory: perhaps it is that because we have some incredibly talented skaters and puck handlers on this team, they the opposing D doesnt play them as close to the vest…as in if Ovi or Semin is making a quick skate along the boards and cutting back down the middle the D is playing off and thus not trying to be as physical?? does that make any sense?
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I’m not sure I buy it. If anything, the skill guys should be undressing defensemen and forcing them to commit fouls more often than they are. And the non-skill guys should be going into high-traffic areas, where a lot of penalties are drawn.
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I don’t think that applies to AO, wherein every D has turned himself into a frontline goalie. They’re not trying to take the puck away from him anymore, they’re just trying to get in front of his shot. Robidas, last night when he stepped up into AO and got himself mauled, was the first D I’ve seen go straight for him in a long, long time.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 3, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, for AO they just seem to get up next to him and just kinda stay right in front of him, close to his where there’s less room for him to move the puck. I’d like to see AO try zooming down behind the goal and around to pick up a rushing Knuble or Backstrom. Or skate in hard and once the D gets skating backwards, come to a stop and fire off a shot
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2010 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stretch and Vogel postulated on Precap that the non-calls on Ovie in the Blues game were quite possibly due to Gabby’s…um…outspokenness with the refs. Wonder if there’s any credence in that theory.
by mechanicsville on Dec 3, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes I feel that since Ovie got the “C” refs brush him off. Ovie went through lots of dramas last year and it is hard to know what has lodged in the ref’s subconscious. Also, if these refs see more western teams than eastern, then they have less familiarity with eastern players, coaches, and whatever else you want to throw in there, so more of their information could come from what they hear most often from other sources.
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It’s definitely not bias. Why would the conspirators waste their resources during the regular season, when there are game 7’s to be influenced?
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by Ninjak on Dec 3, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The last thing I want is for our fans/team to become “the Refs are out to get us!!” people.
Makes us sound too much like the fucking Ravens.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I was kidding. I generally stay entirely away from discussions about officiating, because there is absolutely nothing to be done about it, all teams have to deal with it, and it will never, ever, ever change.
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by Ninjak on Dec 3, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No comment on Irvin.
I’m talking more like….lately. But I don’t think its bias, just a nature of the game. Sane with the Caps.
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One of the answers could be a result of the problems the Caps have in clearing the D zone. Failure to clear results in extra chances for the other teams, longer line shifts and inevitable stick/restraining fouls resulting from tired legs.
Another totally unresearched guess could be the lack of experience and quality down the center. I don’t think guys like Mackan, MP85 or Flash were/are going to draw a lot of penalties vs. more established veteran centers. Throw in the reputation of a guy like Semin for committing lazy stick fouls and you may have some reasoning behind the lack of PP opportunities and/or additional PKs.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 3, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing another part is transition versus cycling. The latter draws more penalties, but the Caps prefer the former, I guess.
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by red army line on Dec 3, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I would blame the high penalty rate on the fact that the Capitals have had to play Tyler Sloan in 19 games and Brian Fahey in 5 games so far this season. Add to that Poti’s 9 games where I don’t know if he’s ever been 100%, and you’re looking at problems. Even if those guys aren’t taking the penalties, bad defensive play trickles down to the rest of the team, causing guys to take those silly, ticky-tacky holding, hooking, and interference penalties.
We should start directing the “All your fault” chant to TSlo, eh?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 3, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Or have signs that say “T-SLO GIVES ME T-PAIN”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not at all. It’s just that he’s not a very good player, and is the #8 defenseman on this team. When the #8 guy has already played in 17 out of the team’s 25 games, there are going to be problems.
Sloan has a whopping 6 PIMs all season.
Poti has 4. I don’t think either of them is at fault for all the calls being made against the Caps.
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He’s not saying they are taking the PIMs. He’s saying that others are taking PIMs to cover for their mistakes. It’s empirical, and I don’t know that I agree, but it’s a different argument than “Sloan is so bad he takes PIMs.”
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I think Bourne was writing about bad players generally have teammates take penalties to try and cover for the bad player when he makes a bad play.
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by red army line on Dec 3, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he also talked about how the fan-favorite “buzz saw” types are often the guys causing the most problems for their teammates.
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That’s a good point. Nearly every time a guy lines somebody up for a big hit, he’s getting out of position, leading to odd-man rushes. And odd-man rushes lead to goals and penalties.
Not saying that Sloan does this. But defensemen being out of position or making bad decisions lead to other players on the ice having to cover up that guy and sometimes taking a hooking/holding call. To me, that’s Sloan.
And John Erskine is tied for 5th in most minor penalties taken for D this season in the league. That doesn’t help. He’s taken 11 and Carlson and Green have each taken nine, which isn’t a low number either.
not having looked at how those penalties break down, is it possible that Erskine’s are more of the roughing, post-whistle variety?
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If it were last season, I would say ‘yes’ to both. It seemed last year, that the team’s style, youth, discipline caused a number of bad penalties (but that they were better than the preceding years). There was also a lot of “Caps are dirty; Ovie is dirty” flood in media environment which could have had an effect on the officiating (bias).
So far this season, I think they are continuing to improve their discipline (bad plays seem to come more from lack of energy, cohesiveness), but the high penalty team perception remains, thus they are given the benefit of the doubt less.
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They’re kinda all over the place in the Boudreau era in terms of minors taken (7th, 23rd, 14th and 29th to date).
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Fight Night at the VC vs. Jersey is maybe skewing those numbers a tad.
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Hendricks is also fighting more than any of the Caps did last season. He has gotten 6 fighting majors this season already.
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More than anyone on the team last year.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Had to love Alan Mays on that. “He plays like he’s paid by the drop of blood, whether it’s his or his opponent’s”
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Over the last 10 games the Caps have had 20% more penalties called against them, than for them. 38 PP chances 47 PK attempts.
However the caps have struck 10 times of 38 on the PP (26.3%) and killed off all but 6 of 47(87.2%). There was also one SH goal against the caps. In regards to the league the Caps would rank 2nd on PP% and 4rth in PK%.
If the league is trying to hammer the team, they aren’t doing a very good job.
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by breaklance on Dec 3, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I said this in your post-game thread, but the bad ice last night was not the norm at the AAC. It’s been a long, long time since I’ve seen it like that.
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Agreed. And, J.P. didn’t you retweet a comment from someone about how the ice was so bad, he felt you couldn’t do a decent pass longer than five feet? I can’t remember who it was just now.
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The same thing is happening in Colorado – and they don’t even have the ownership crisis.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
/obligatory ‘Tom Hicks must go’ comment from LFC supporter
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Didn’t he sell to the Red Sox people?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
He did, though I’m guessing he’ll want to try and make some sort of profit from the Stars’ sale (similar to his holding onto LFC), so the team could possibly wither as a result.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
No joke. Yikes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Cuban buys the Stars? Makes sense, no?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I believe he said he had no interest. I’ll see if I can find the article.
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I think (at last check) he’s interested providing he gets control of the Arena, but nothing’s really moved forward in that that I know of(Brandon, feel free to chime in if you’d like).
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the Stars and Mavs play in the same arena right? Maybe he’d pick up the Stars if it gets him the arena too, just like Ted did
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He doesn’t want to be a hockey owner. There was a hint a few months ago he might be interested in being a minority owner, but he’s jot going to get complete control o the AAC. That is where a lot of he value for the team comes from.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2010 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is not a prospective buyer, thats for certain. Not at this point.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2010 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tom. Hicks.
No money for marketing.
Team staff being laid off.
No money for significant trades or free agents.
Departure of Modano, even if it was needed.
Bad seasons the past two years.
The list goes on.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2010 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If there’s one thing that they do right in Dallas, it’s air conditioning.
Did the Mavs play an afternoon game or something?
If there’s one thing that they do right in Dallas, it’s air conditioning.
Meh, we’ll top that.
/Qatari WC Bid Committee’d
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
How many more Qatar jokes up your sleeve? I can’t wait.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 3, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta strike while the iron’s hot or else it becomes the “Semin playing bongos” reference.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A very Penguins Winter Classic.
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I don’t like the idea of people in Western PA procreating.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
def gonna pass on that. Watching people from western PA procreating is on the list of things I never want to see
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by Elliotte on Dec 3, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
C’mon. Not cool, J.P.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Might have to stay away from that if I stay too long at the Church Brew Works.
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Broken ankle for Steve Downie?
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
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I like the Schultz one better.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Winter Classic Wine
FYI — as the self-proclaimed unofficial Rink Wine Critic, I definitely plan on buying some of that Merlot and FanPosting a tasting note at some point.
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Courtesy of Mile High Hockey, tonight is Tomas Fleischmann’s third consecutive game against Carolina.
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Carolina, scratch, Carolina, Carolina – hmm.
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I think he’s playing tonight.
Fleischmann will be back on a plane Thursday, accompanying the Avalanche on their charter flight to Raleigh, N.C., and make his Colorado debut Friday against the Carolina Hurricanes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
And hydrate!
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Doesn’t look like that’s working out well for him so far.
CENTENNIAL, Colo. — Tomas Fleischmann was huffing and puffing a little more than usual Wednesday following his first practice with the Colorado Avalanche.
It was a longer session than usual — about 90 minutes — and the 26-year-old forward was dealing with the mile-high altitude on top of jet leg after Tuesday’s cross-country flight following his acquisition from the Washington Capitals in exchange for defenseman Scott Hannan.
“Today was a pretty hard practice, I would say,” Fleischmann said. “I was kind of winded, but it’s good.”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was more referring to the fact that he doesn’t want to get another DVT from all these long plane rides.
He’ll be fine playing at sea level in Raleigh.
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*or whatever elevation Raleigh is at.
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434 feet above sea level.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
YLM Is there a link to where that info. came from? I looked and couldn’t find it in your post or the ones about it. Thanks.
I think he pulled it from the same article I read this morning here.
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Thanks
Here’s Dater’s post practice update – Fleischmann expected to play with Duchene and Jones.
Sorry for the lack of links. Laziness on my part.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I know its been discussed but re-watching the replay of RAHJC’s goal leads me to think 1 of two things. A) With Ovechkin sandwiched between 2 Stars players all in contact of each other, domino effect of defensemen pushing someone into his own goalie(a call refs don’t get right VERY often). B) No one pushes each other and the Star’s D went into his own goalie.
That’s what I see in the replay, but what actually infuriates me about this call is that if they are going to make that call then get it completely right and call a goaltender interference call too. That situation it should of been called. Ref’s choosing which rules to apply in situations makes them look like they haven’t the slightest clue what they are doing out there.
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Of course, I, Joe Every-fan, knew this rule before I looked it up for exact wording, how the refs don’t know the rulebook is clearly beyond my comprehension, and every other outsider.
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It was only the one side of the whistle
Ovi summed up that game and especially the second period pretty well for me.
Games that are too ref controlled irritate me to no end. And if they are going to be heavy-handed about it then they need to be consistently heavy-handed from the drop of the puck, the way they were in that Flyers games. It’s frustrating but at least the players know what to expect.
But here they seemed pretty inconsistent and too one-sided. Let things go in the first period then call tightly against one team in the second. No matter how effective the Caps PK can be, six minutes virtually consecutively is exhausting. And it keeps the scoring lines off the ice.
As for the final no goal, I’m with BB. Since when did Ovi being in the paint automatically mean that.he must be at fault. I’m afraid that call was a reputation call. The refs conferred at the beginning and decided that if Ovi is involved then he must be the one at fault (I kid here). But in all seriousness if and when the refs do confer beforehand and decide how to call the games. then i wish they apply their rulings in a more consistent and evenhanded manner.
If the Caps are going to lose, then let them do it fairly. Sometimes they a fine job of losing without any help from the refs at all. I just don’t think that’s how they were playing last night.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 3, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’ve heard it said that the most important quality a ref can have is common sense. And during the 2nd period, there was a real dearth of that. OK, so they missed a slashing penalty. They follow it up with a questionable interference call on Schultz. I could forgive that. But once that penalty expires, to IMMEDIATELY call Hannon for interference… That takes the cake.
I hate bitching about the reffing… So I gotta get it out of my system today.
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CSN didn’t give us a replay of the Hannan penalty, but I rewound a couple times and tried to find it. You can’t really see it, but you see Hannan standing over a guy laying on his face in the crease and the ref’s arm up. I assume Hannan flattened the guy from behind, which is a legit call. But, again, I didn’t actually see it so I’m not sure. The real crime was the call on Schultz. Not only was it a soft boarding call (really, Burish went down that easy? Give me a fucking break), but it came on the heals of two missed calls against DAL. Pathetic.
Kind of hilarious, though, that both the Schultz and (speculated) Hannan PIMs came off of the kind of plays that OFB has been yearning for, and then they come back to bite us here.
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Yeah, I noticed that CSN never bothered to show us the penalty that led to the only goal of the game to that point. Irritating. If Hannan’s penalty was blatant, well… Then that sucks.
But we all know that refs do not have the same standard for every penalty during every minute of every game. Make-up calls happen, known divers don’t draw penalties even when it’s legit, and what would be a penalty at 5v5 rarely is when it’s 5v4. In the last minutes of a game, there is pressure on refs to “let them play”. It all stinks to high heaven, if you ask me. A rule is a rule, and this is at the heart of why everyone hates Colin Campbell. Hockey does not enforce its rules consistently, either on the ice or off it, and this is official policy.
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Hannan standing over a guy laying on his face in the crease and the ref’s arm up. I assume Hannan flattened the guy from behind, which is a legit call.
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Glad I wasn’t the only one that saw the holding of Backstrom’s stick before the Schultz penalty. That was ridiculous.
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That word you keep using, it confuses me. “Consistent” is that arabic or something? Must not translate because its certainly not in the dictionary.
I don’t like bitching about reffing either, but there most certainly is a pattern of late involving the caps. Frankly I’d take more games like the 2nd Flyer’s game over one-sided, and random reffing. That game was anything but consistent, but at least they were even handed.
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It’s one thing to lose a game because the other team outplayed and outworked you. It’s quite another thing to lose when the zebras decide the outcome via an unlevel playing field. The Caps were victimized by terrible officiating, no question about it. While it’s small comfort, they should hold their heads up and realize they lost to the Stars due to forces beyond their control. Then they should put this miserable game behind them and focus on administering a big time whuppin’ to the Thrashers tomorrow night.
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This team is good enough so that it shouldn’t have to lose a game on the basis of zebras. They just had to play better, plain and simple.
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by red army line on Dec 3, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
just for the Colgate grad(s?)
Mark Dekanich has been recalled to the NHL for the first time in his career.
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What are the chances he gets a game? Is Rinne supposed to be out for a while?
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Rinne’s out for at least two games, but per team policy, nobody knows what happened. I don’t think its too serious because it happened in Columbus and he still played 65 minutes + a shootout.
But to answer the question, there’s a good chance Dex gets a game. Lindback has proven capable, but I think that its only fair to give a guy sporting a .941, 1.71, with 3 SO in 10 games (AHL, obviously) a look. He deserved the call-up, and probably deserves a game to see if the staff made the right decision in training camp.
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Did I look on great Orion sloping slowly to the West.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 3, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Can you check pts/TOI for DJ King?
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1 pt per 41:04.
That’s literally his stat-line though.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
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Kovalchuk .93 pts/60
Boogard 1.32pts/60
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Many a night from yonder ivied casement, ere I went to rest,
Did I look on great Orion sloping slowly to the West.
*Jason Chimera is tied with Kovalchuk in goals. Also, John Carlson would rank third in points on the Devils.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Chim Chim Cher-ee?
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 3, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
We have a serious problem here guys.
If Kovy’s 10 points are worth 100 million, then our not even half our team is worth 1 billion.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 3, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kovy and the Devils are getting exactly what they deserve.
No, let me clarify. Kovy isn ‘t getting what he deserves. He’s going to be paid mega millions no matter how much he sucks on the ice. Sometimes there is no justice in this world. At least the Devils are suffering. They deserve to get screwed.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
There are only 2 things I like about Dallas, Mark Cuban and some woman named Debbie.
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by Doncosmic on Dec 3, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Does she like nachos?
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What do you guys think about BB talking today about how Poti, Erskine, and Schultz won’t talk to you if you don’t talk to them. Seems to me like talking to each other would help on future plays.
What exactly did BB say? Is he talking about to the media or on the ice? On the ice they should definitely be talking to each other.
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Failure to communicate on the ice can result in a disastrous play, or a disastrous defense pairing in general.
I find it hard to believe that Schultz would be able to play as well as he does with Green without good communication given how active Green is on offense.
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An observation I agree with, which is why the whole thing has me confused because I don’t really see disastrous communication-based results from the players listed. Poti and Erskine and Schultz all have their faults, but I don’t think that poor coordination with the other guy in the pair is one of them.
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Do you have a link to his interview? Was it in print or on the radio? I’d just be curious to read what he said.
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He’s referring to the CI piece.
One thing about Scott, and again it’s first impressions, is he talks a lot. We don’t have a lot of talkative guys back there," Coach Bruce Boudreau said. “John Erskine and Tom Poti are pretty quiet, and Jeff Schultz, between the three of them if you don’t talk to them they’re not going to talk to you. Scott’s a guy that on the ice he’s a director and a general and he did a lot of good things.”
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hmm, interesting. Two of those guys aren’t known to be the locker room loudmouths, either (although with that locker room, standing out takes some work)
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The only times I consistently find myself wishing for better communication is on the PK, and that may be more structure/knowing where your teammates are, to make short passes to open guys for easy clears, than calling for a pass.
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by red army line on Dec 3, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I hate skating with players that never talk.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 3, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve heard Greener barking orders on the ice; it makes sense that one of each pair should do the bulk of the talking, otherwise they’d be talking over each other and not hearing anything.
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Could Henrik Sundin end up with 100 pts this season and >10 goals? Does he even try to score any more?
Yeah, probably. Not Henrik Sedin, though.
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by red army line on Dec 3, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
And I would venture to guess that everyone who has scored 100 pts has had greater than 10 goals.
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Stupid NHL.com has video of Ovechkin missing on a one-timer attempt on its front page. I don’t usually say things like this, but would Crosby be up there if he did the same thing?
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Too bad it’s him. I can think of lots more deserving candidates on that team. Real rough luck for that guy, but I wonder if that’s just who he is now. I also wonder if maybe MON rushed him back from the prior knee injury a little too fast, or if it’s just a ridiculously unfortunate freak thing.
Everyone knows who threw the “hit” that hurt him, right? I wonder what would be said if AO threw that hit.
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Well-reconstructed ACLs shouldn’t be a recurring problem. If one goes, then the other knee is more likely to go, but once repaired they’re usually good.
It’s weird that here it’s the same knee.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Why is the other one more likely to go after the first? I’ve heard it before, but I forget why.
I thought that it was weird that it was the same knee as well, that’s why I thought maybe they rushed him or handled it wrong. They didn’t have the surgery right away and wanted to give him a chance to come back in the playoffs. Didn’t he come back relatively quickly from the surgery last spring? Maybe it hadn’t healed all the way.
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the reconstruction is usually stronger simply because it hasn’t had the same amount of wear and tear as the remaining ACL, plus the rehab focuses extensively on strengthening the muscles that attach to the knees, to create additional support. The whole point is to avoid another blow out; you might curse your physical therapist repeatedly, but your knee will never been stronger than it is after reconstruction. You’ll also have thighs of steel.
BUT (you knew there was a but, right?) sometimes people rush back before the knee is ready for that sort of pounding, and that’s when a re-tear is likely to happen. It seems ok, but it’s like a timebomb. Rushing back would be my guess in this case, because he came back astonishingly quick. ACL surgery usually keeps you out 6-9 months. (and sometimes, you just get bad luck. my trampoline partner blew her repaired knee out last week, 7 years after the initial surgery)
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It’s a general predisposition. Call it “genetic” if you like (although who knows — mom having too many Cadbury eggs while pregnant might cause it). If you have the kind of ACL that blows in one knee, odds are the other ACL is built the same way.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 4, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
it’s usually tied to your Q angle, measured from your kneecap to hip. The larger the Q angle, the higher risk for all sorts of knee issues. Women, in general, have higher Q angles than men; no surprise, women athletes are statistically more likely to blow an ACL.
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I definitely don’t. Who was it?
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
a good, hardworking Canadian boy demonstrating hard-nosed leadership!
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