Pick 'Em: Winter Classic Starting Goalie
I could always go with two goalies. I've done that before. - Bruce Boudreau on who his goalie will be for the Winter Classic
He's kidding.
We think.
But with the Winter Classic now looming, Boudreau has a difficult decision to make - which of his young netminders to start against the Pens. By his ‘if they win they’re in’ approach, you'd think he'd stick with Semyon Varlamov coming off a 3-0 shutout of Montreal. Then again, Michal Neuvirth was superb against Pittsburgh in a 3-2 shootout loss less than a week ago and is 2-0-1/1.62/.944 in his last three games... which isn't quite as good as Varly's 2-0-1/1.30/.952 in his last three (and 2-0-0/1.00/.967 this week).
Guessing what Boudreau will do is one thing, but who would you start? Does the potential for less-than-ideal ice conditions impact your decision? Does this?
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Really, the call couldn’t be tougher at this point. Neuvirth has been pretty solid all season while Varlamov was hurt. Varlamov has been there the last couple years when it mattered most, and just came off a shutout.
I say dress one as a D-man.
I say dress one as a D-man.
If one of the two was Holtby, I’d agree.
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So that we can put him on permanent LTIR afterwards?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 29, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Came up heads, went with Neuvirth.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
I’m going to say Neuvirth. He just seems more solid to me, better positionally, and less likely to hurt himself making a great save. Varlamov is quick but he has that recurring groin issue which concerns me.
by TheHornGuy on Dec 29, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree. Wonky groin + possibility of pooling water = disaster in the making.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 29, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
But Neuvy has more recent injury issues than Varly so I would be iffy on him for that game for that reason. But we don’t know what his issue is.
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I had overlooked Neuvy’s last-minute scratch and have since been persuaded by the Varly voters.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 29, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Two goalies? Not a bad idea.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Dec 29, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions
Is there no question in the ‘Burgh? It’s gotta be MAF, yes?
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They’ll probably rest Fleury to have him ready for Tampa on the 5th.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Dec 29, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Pens, in the game last night Varly was getting some Var-ly chants after some nice saves that were audible on TV. I wasn’t there so I don’t know if he got more than that. Varly just seems more popular with the crowd. That probably isn’t true on J.R. but it’s true of the general crowd.
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Varly is a bit more popular with the general fan-dom. He’s been around longer and been the playoff hero quite a few times.
And imo his name is easier to chant than Neuvy. At the pens game it seemed like his chants died out quickly or just didn’t get started, compared to the Varly chants i’ve been there for that can go on for like 5 minutes.
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I chalk it up to the fanbase’s secret proclivity for acid wash jeans.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Dang-nabbit kids, git erf meh lawn!
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
MAF catches with the other hand. GG, EA Sports.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 29, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
He catches lefty.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Dec 29, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
His left side is his glove side. I remember that because all the Caps shooters the other night went to that side, except Ovie.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
I never understood that. When I played I either went for where it looked open, inorite?, or stick side. More stuff to block but it always seemed harder to block the corners and slower in general than the glove.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Two goalies? Not a bad idea.
Why not more to help out MAF? It didn’t seem to stop a certain Russian.
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by Christoph J on Dec 29, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like one of them “good” problems.
I think Varly will start, given Bruce’s “win-and-you’re-in” mantra, and he has been solid over the past couple of games. I also think that’s the right decision, though, because Varlamov’s conditioning and endurance seems to be markedly better than Neuvirth’s, and I imagine he’ll hold up a little better under any questionable weather conditions.
by Wheeler on Dec 29, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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Varlamov may have advantages over Neuvirth, but “markedly better” endurance? His groin is like this guy:

"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I’d never know ‘cause I wouldn’t eat the filthy mother$%^%@#$
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
After watching Neuvirth in the shootout versus Pittsburgh, I don’t have a lot of confidence in him during a tight game in which he faces a lot of rubbe, particularly if it goes to overtime. He was visibly exhausted at the end of that (dropping too early on shooters, making himself smaller in the net), to the point where the only reason the Pens didn’t win it earlier in the shootout was due to the lack of quality of anyone beyond their first three shooters.
Skipping the lack of quality of the Pens SO shooters (while ignoring Knuble and Laich being trotted out there) for a second, Varlamov sees more rubber as it is and gets hurt every other month, and you want to trot him out there on that outdoor ice? OK, go for it.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Who’s had the most recent injuries? Varly’s been fine since he came back. Neuvy has had 2 tweaks where he has missed games. Not to mention the tweak during a game that looked bad but he managed to keep playing. I think he’s got his own recurring injury issues. I’d play Varly and give Neuvy a little more time to rest his tweak.
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Really? Where’s Neuvirth’s IR stints and rehab starts?
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say Neuvy had more serious injuries than Varly, just more recent. I don’t understand how you can discount his recent history of tweaks and then sitting out games. It’s not as troublesome as Varly missing two months, but it isn’t nothing, either.
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I can discount it because the position that Neuvirth isn’t as conditioned or has “recurring injury issues” just isn’t substantial to me.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
As long as you acknowledge that what you find insubstantial isn’t the viewpoint we all must have. Neuvy hasn’t played since his most recent tweak. Whatever his injury is might be no big deal, but why not make sure whatever it is completely heals? Especially when the team isn’t having to play a substandard goalie in the mean time. I know Varly has serious injury issues, but he seems like once he finally gets over it for the season, he’s ok. Last season he was out a few months, came back and took awhile to get back to form, but he never injured himself again, he made it all the way through to the WC. So far this season he’s been fine since he came back, maybe he’ll follow that same pattern again.
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
As long as you acknowledge that what you find insubstantial isn’t the viewpoint we all must have.
Yeah, that’s it, or maybe the reason stated doesn’t hold weight.
If it’s a legit tweak, where’s Sabourin or Holtby? Maybe it’s as simple as he played the last 4 before than and Varlamov has played 2. But making the leap from “tweak” to “recurring injury issues” without anything supporting that is a big leap.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about recurring, but saying Neuvirth’s problems are recent is certainly fair. It’s less than a week since he missed a start. I think that’s a fair reason to be concerned for this game.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Neuvy’s had multiple tweaks and missed games. If that isn’t the definition of recurring (more than one) and injury, I don’t know what is. I didn’t define how serious it was or said it was on IR level, you’re the one that made that jump. Maybe BB is making up the tweaks to have an excuse for his rotation that can be unclear as understanding Semin, but we all saw Neuvy have that tweak in a game and be in pain and unable to move for a bit.
I just don’t think it’s fair to go on and on about Varly’s injuries without mentioning the fact that Neuvy has missed a few games himself.
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t define how serious it was or said it was on IR level, you’re the one that made that jump.
Because going on IR IS an injury issue. Keeping the bench warm for 2 games after you started 4 is no big deal.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I think we are arguing the definition of injury here. I’m using it as anything wrong that occurs with him, while you seem to equate it with being on IR. I agree that Neuvy hasn’t had an IR level injury this year and I don’t think that he is going to, although I believe in past seasons he has had some more serious injuries and missed more games.
If you prefer to believe that Neuvy is 100% healthy and Boudreau is lying in any of his comments about Neuvy being sore, having tweaks, etc. that’s perfectly acceptable. But I don’t think it’s fair for you to think everyone should have that viewpoint. I’m not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but it is a fact that Neuvy has missed a few games due to what BB has said were tweaks or soreness. That could be a lie but I’m taking him at face value.
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s fair for you to think everyone should have that viewpoint.
How am I saying it? I’m suggesting the assertion at the beginning of this thread is a stretch to make, nothing more.
If you prefer to believe that Neuvy is 100% healthy and Boudreau is lying in any of his comments about Neuvy being sore, having tweaks, etc. that’s perfectly acceptable.
I believe that not all coaches are completely transparent when talking to the press at all times, and that this coach is one of them, yes.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry that is just the way I was interpreting the exchange, I could of been wrong. Obviously we don’t agree and it seems the more I post, the more we disagree. Nothing more to be gained here for me since we both laid out our point of view.
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think missing a game you were due to start is a big deal. Neuvy was hurt badly enough that he couldn’t play that game. Sounds like an “injury” to me. Recurring or not, it’s a concern.
And by the way, let’s not forget that Varlamov played only 29 regular season games last year due to injury… and Neuvirth played only 39. Neither of them has had perfect health lately.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t help but think if I’m BB* and I’ve got a guy who’s a) battling for #1, b) is good to go and c) hasn’t started in 10 days, then Sunday seems like a justifiable choice and you see where it goes from there. For better or worse either in health or BB’s management/rotation, they did split the month’s starts evenly.
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"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
if we didn’t have a very strong goalie in varly, Neuvirth probably would have started those games. He wasn’t scratched. He was on the bench.
BB has the luxury of having 2 very strong goalies. If one is 90% and the other is 100%, then the 100% one is strong enough to give the caps a great chance to win. If we had a weaker backup with Neuvy as the top netminder, neuvy would be playing when he isn’t feeling his best, i’m willing to bet.
We are really spoiled here in DC…
I don’t care how “folksy” BB gets in the press room. There’s no way he hasn’t bent the ear of all the relevant staff about: outdoor rinks, cold weather, warm weather, choppy ice, snow, rain, falling frogs, etc. as it relates to Varly’s delicatestical groin area.
If #1 gets the start, one reason will be because the Caps are certain he’s not at disproportionate risk.
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Varlamov sees more rubber as it is and gets hurt every other month, and you want to trot him out there on that outdoor ice?
Honestly, yes. He’s shown the ability to play on bad ice at the Verizon Center. In general, though, I see Varlamov as better able to withstand a protracted, chippy game where he has to constantly be at the ready, whereas I see Neuvirth wearing down.
I thought you were going with a “That’s what she said” at first with that block quote.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 29, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
You hear that Varly??!?! No “working out the groin” until Saturday! Wink wink nudge nudge
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Flip a coin on this one. Both goalies have been real good this year. I think the Caps play better in front of SV40. Since I have to spend the game this in a room full of Pens fans, I hope we beat em good. The weather sure doesn’t look good, though.
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Surprised that Neuvirth is getting as much support, but not surprised at the arguments. Both goalies are deserving, but I have the feeling that Varly earned the start by getting the shutout last night. Neuvirth has played great this year, don’t get me wrong. He was arguably the best Cap the first month of the season, and while he trailed off a little, has played well of late and was the winning goalie that ended the losing streak. That being said, sitting a young goalie after a shutout doesn’t send the best message.
I think another question that should be asked is, would this even be a debate if the game wasn’t the Winter Classic? Think about it… Neuvy starts last week against Pitt, plays well, but loses. It would seem that logic points towards Varly getting a crack against the Pens to see what he can do whenever the teams met next.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 29, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions
I agree with you that’s it’s a good idea to switch up the goalies and give the Pens someone else. Although they are probably much more familiar with Varly.
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
By that logic, I’d give it back to Neuvy, because he’s now more familiar with them.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 29, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see Neuvy playing any better than what he did against Pittsburgh last week. Crosby’s first goal was great. No goalie stops that deflection. The second goal was a really ugly display of defense in front of the net.
If you give Neuvy this start after Varly gets a shutout, how are you not annointing Neuvy as the #1 goalie? This wouldn’t be a bad thing IMO, but it’s against what BB has said he’s going to do.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 29, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
How would Neuvy starting on Saturday be any different from any other goaltending decision that BB’s made? Varly’s the winning hand, but Neuvy’s got way more wins than Varly. As far as we know, neither of them are sick, so that’s not playing into it, this time. BB chooses his goalies based on whatever set of arbitrary criteria he’s currently utilizing on any given day.
If he came out today (or tomorrow, or Friday) and said that Neuvirth was his new, official #1 starting goaltender, my first reaction would be, “we’ll see.”
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 29, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
It seems that for the most part BB follows his rule that if you win, you’re in. In the instances where a goalie has won and not started the following game happened earlier in the year when Holtby was up and Neuvy was logging a ton of starts early in the season, so resting him became necessary especially with Varly’s health an issue at the time.
I’m not saying BB will say Neuvirth is the #1 goalie this season if he gets the start on Saturday, but you don’t bench a goalie who gets a 3-0 shutout when there is no clear cut starter. If this is a true rotation, you go with the hot hand, which Varly is at the moment. My guess is that Bruce gave Varly last night to make or break his chance at starting Saturday, and he did everything possible to earn the start.
I also didn’t mean to sound like whoever starts Saturday is the #1 goalie for the rest of the season. I just meant that if Neuvy got the nod, it would look like no matter what Varly did lately, Neuvy was getting the start Saturday. Like if Brent Johnson starts for the Pens tonight and gets a shutout, he’s not starting Saturday because MAF is the proven #1.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 29, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
That’s fine, I just mean that the starter for this game really doesn’t mean anything in the scheme of things. I’d guess Varly to start, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Neuvy did, and it wouldn’t mean that Varly all of the sudden isn’t the #1 or that Neuvy is.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 29, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I voted Varly but I’m surprised that it’s so heavily tilted his way right now (61%). Varly has looked great the past few games, I say stick with him. I know everyone harps on his injury history, but since he’s come back, he hasn’t had one issue. In that amount of time, Neuvy has had a few tweaks that have kept him out of games.
I agree with someone above that the team seems a bit more comfortable with Varly, perhaps from his communication and stick handling.
Why not let each guy play half the game? Not very conventional, but let’s not forget this is a glorified regular season game. Both goalies deserve to experience the winter classic imo.
by shaiba8 on Dec 29, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I’ve been expecting for about a month that whoever the hot hand at the time would get the start and then depending on how the game was going the other goalie would come in during the third period or half way through the second.
So I’m saying Varly starts. If he has a SO going into the third he’ll stay in. If he has let up only quality goals but the Caps are in the lead Neuvy will come in for the third. If he’s playing terribly Neuvy will come in.
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by zephyr on Dec 29, 2010 10:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Hah, “Anouncing the Winter Classic Pickup starting lines…”
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by J.P. on Dec 29, 2010 10:55 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
That was my first reaction as well.
But, with Varlavirth, it’s 130.
With Neulamov, it’s 301.
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I wonder what will happen in 100 years when teams have retires so many numbers that they don’;t have enough left for their current rosters.
We’ll have to start using symbols like Pi and Theta
Hex.
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1 SEMYON VARLAMOV
3 TOM POTI “A”
4 JOHN ERSKINE
8 ALEX OVECHKIN “C”
A MATT BRADLEY
F BOYD GORDON
10 ERIC FEHR
11 DJ KING
13 NICKLAS BACKSTROM “A”
14 KEITH AUCOIN
15 BROOKS LAICH
16 MIKE KNUBLE “A”
17 SCOTT HANNAN
19 JASON CHIMERA “A”
1A MATT HENDRICKS
1B KARL ALZNER
1C ALEXANDER SEMIN
1E MICHAL NEUVIRTH
27 DAVID STECKEL
34 MIKE GREEN
37 JEFF SCHULTZ
3F ANDREW GORDON
4A JOHN CARLSON
53 JAY BEAGLE
55 MATHIEU PERREAULT
59 TYLER SLOAN
5A MARCUS JOHANSSON
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Great, now you’ve hexed the team. But, hopefully not in the wrong sense.
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I like the “31” better. We have to stick to 2 digit whole numbers or to be more technical 2 digit positive integers.
Too bad, Varly didn’t stick with “40” and then we could have had 35 for Varlavirth. I recall the first time I saw the name “Varlavirth” and someone commented about whether it was the latest name change for Varly.
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Where’s the Neulamov jersey?
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Carey Price away jersey?
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by Jake Shapiro on Dec 29, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like the votes are going 1 and the comments are going 30.
Would we even be asking this question, if it wasn’t the WC? Varly just won two games back-to-back and pitched a shut out last night. I think you have to stay with the hot hand.
If you are an “alternater,” then I’ll argue it’s Varly’s time to get Pittsburgh, because Neuvy got them last week.
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EXACTLY. If this was a game at Consol, it would be Varly for sure.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 29, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Plus even with the “alternate goalies so they get rest” argument, I think Tuesday to Saturday is enough time for Varly.
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by Jake Shapiro on Dec 29, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I’d go with Varly, but only on the condition he uses a different mask. His current Winter Classic mask is slightly embarrassing. Looks like Semin had a bit too much to do with it.
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Heh. I am so glad I am not the only one who had that thought…
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Varly won his game. He’s in. I like the win and you’re in mindset, even if it’s not always fair. Had he lost, I’d have said to put Neuvirth in.
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I mean, we’re not talking about which goalie to trade and which to keep (yet). We’re talking about which goalie starts one game in the middle of the regular season. It’s one damn game, regardless of how much national publicity it gets. No matter the result, it won’t be what I look back on the 2010-11 season and think of first.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 29, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I say we go with DJ Brett Leonhardt seeing how the last 3 losers of the WC made it to the SCF. We need all the mojo we can get.

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ESPN says we are still looking to trade for a goalie, so I say we end this discussion and just bring in Ty Conklin.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 29, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bring in who now?
I hear Nabokov’s joble…i mean free..i mean looking for work.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Considering JP’s post the other day about how much better each goalie does having started the previous game, I think you have to go with Varly.
I’m leaning towards Varly for his stellar work this week and more experience against the Pens and in the shootout.
However, his Sasha inspired mask is also pulling me towards Neuvy.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
If we’re deciding based on mask, then it’s Neuvy hands down.
by Eggseronius on Dec 29, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Can anyone remind me what Neuvirth’s injury was?
My instinct (and my vote) go to Varlamov. Two games ago, Neuvirth skipped a game he was supposed to start because of an injury. Varly played well. Last game, Varly had a pretty nice little shutout. I think having Neuvirth’s first game back from injury be the outdoor game sounds risky. And I think a guy who has a shutout deserves the next start.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions
Apparently, he was “sore” after the warmups prior to the Carolina game. But no actual word on that the injury is.
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Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Strained Akebono?
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
No, he clearly got in a fight with a sumo wrestler
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Sorry, got Sumo geek for a second on the pic (moreover I think I mis-ID’d the guy), so I fail twice.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I chose Varly, but mostly because at some point (April), this team needs to choose a goalie and stick with him. Coming into this season, that was Varly, and despite how good Neuvy’s been playing, Varly hasn’t lost that spot.
Our #1 goalie (injury not limiting) needs to play as many “pressure” games as possible. This team is about the post-season and the more “post-season-like” games our #1 goalie can get under his belt, the better. Varly is still considered that guy.
I’m surprised there isn’t more of a sentiment for giving the start to Neuvy in part as a reward for carrying the team in October. I probably should’ve added that in the last line before the poll. I mean, the kid’s done everything they’ve asked of him all year… I think he deserves the start.
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This is actually why I cast my vote for Neuvirth. If not for his play at the beginning of the season where would we be now? Lest we forget he was also the one to finally put an end to that awful slide. If he’s healthy I think he should get it for that.
The one and only problem I have with Neuvirth starting is I that I always find it really hard to justify benching a goalie for the game following a shutout. It just doesn’t seem right to do that. Then again, this is not just ANY game.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 29, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
That’s my reasoning as well – he’s brought us this far, and he did play solid against the Pens last week. He may have been the victim of some poor defense, but overall I think he deserves the WC.
by HockeyDragon on Dec 29, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think he deserves the majority of starts going forward, and if he keeps playing like he has then he should start in the playoffs, but it’s hard to bench Varly after several good games in a row and coming off of a shutout.
by Eggseronius on Dec 29, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
why do you think he deserves the majority of the starts over Varly?
by vtcapsfan99 on Dec 29, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
But what about what Varly has been to the Caps over the last 2 seasons? The Rangers series 2 years ago? Even in the series against Pittsburgh and Montreal, he’s still a young goalie being thrown into a Stanley Cup run at the end of the year. Varly has done a lot for this team as well so I don’t think Neuvirth is the only sentimental pick here.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 29, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Rewarding players for past achievements only carries so far. JT60 played a great role in “the streak”, but come playoffs…
Varly has been playing very well in his last few starts and got the big SO against MTL. If that game turned into a 3-2 win or a “shoot ’em up” win I might be pulling for Neuvy too.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Rewarding players for past achievements only carries so far. JT60 played a great role in "the streak", but come playoffs…
I think we can both agree that one regular season came carries much less “must win” than any one playoff game.
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Not to mention his numbers weren’t exactly great even during the regular season. It’s easy to compile a great record when the team is scoring almost 4 goals a game. He started 3 playoff games here, lost 2 of them and got yanked after giving up 2 goals on his first 2 shots in the other.
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by Davethecapsfan on Dec 29, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not a fan of this line of thinking. I don’t think the Winter Classic should be a “reward” for anything. It’s 2 points, same as any other game. If it was being held in Consol, would we be talking about “rewards?”
Knowing what I know right now, I’d feel more comfortable going into the playoffs with Neuvirth as the #1. I think he’s the better ’tender. But right now, with Neuvirth coming off some unspecified injury and Varlamov hot and coming off a shutout, it seems to me that Varlamov gives the team the best chance to win this game.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Playoffs are going to be a monstrous competition for those 2. Seeing Gabby’s track record and admitted line of thinking its going to turn into “riding the hot goalie” and resting him like once in a series.
And both goalies have great records for playoffs, though Neuvy technically none for the NHL.
Neuvy in the AHL with a vastly superior team to their competitors is 30-10 1.99 .927
Varly in the NHL on an underperforming team is 10-9 2.49 .915
Not really huge differences when you take into consideration the intangibles, the differences between goalies on a winning and losing teams, different competition levels, etc etc. Its going to be very much who earns their starts in the “then and there”
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
I hear you. But I think that “It’s 2 points, same as any other game” willfully ignores the reality of the situation. Do you think guys like Jordan Staal, Jeff Schultz, Mathieu Perreault, etc., would be rushing back from injuries to play any ol’ game? Would guys be playing as hard as they are leading up to any ol’ game to make sure they get a sweater (as Bruce all but acknowledged they were doing last night)?
Like it or not, it’s not just any other game. It’s special. And I’m not sure that handing yet another cherished opportunity to the same guy who has gotten the chances again and again and again over the past few years while passing over the guy who carried the team early on is right. It would definitely NOT be my determining factor, but as more or less a tiebreak between two guys who are playing very well, I don’t see a problem with using this game as a reward (and shit, maybe that even serves the double purpose of reminding Varly that things don’t just get handed to him).
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by J.P. on Dec 29, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It would definitely NOT be my determining factor…
Just to be clear, “whomever gives the team the best chance to win” would be. But I really have no feel for who that is at the moment, assuming that Neuvy is 100% healthy.
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As a tiebreaker maybe, if it was a tie. For example, if the decision was being made right after the Carolina game, and Neuvirth really were healthy.
But coming off the shutout from Varlamov, who is currently riding a 79+ minute scoreless run, I think the right signal is to put the Russian in. Neuvirth was physically unable to perform two days ago — sucks for him. Varlamov has made the most of the opportunity. “Pitch a shutout, and we give you the ball again” — there’s nothing wrong with that philosophy.
As far as the players rushing back, you’re damned right they’d better show they want to move mountains to get into this game. I’d expect that passion out of any player. But it’s different for the coach. I think the best way to coach the game is to not treat it as special — at least when it comes to making the roster.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think “physically unable to perform” is a leap, given what we know… which is very little. He was “sore.” Could he have played if the Caps didn’t have another very good option? I suppose we’ll never know, though the fact that he was on the bench as the #2 option is a pretty strong indication that he could have.
But yeah, real hard to sit a guy coming off a shutout. I concede.
As for that last point… we all know that Gabby buys into this hoopla (and milestones, symbolism, etc.) as much if not more than anyone, for better or for worse.
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As nice an honor as it is playing in the Winter Classic, it still counts in the standings. I care more about winning than rewarding players for past achievements. Honestly I think both would give the Capitals a similar chance at winning but since Varlamov did it more recently I’d give him the nod.
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I prefer Neuvi in the long run — but right now, I’m leaning on this data and deciding that if Varly’s on a roll, he needs to stay on it.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 29, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I start the guy who just shutout Montreal last night and isn’t a week removed from tweaking something.
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Did Neuvy save our collective bacon multiple times in October, preventing us from having to claw our way out of an even deeper hole in the SE and giving us a cushion to absorb the terrible December Slide with? Yes, yes he did. Does he have good rebound control, a good sense of where the puck is and where it will be? Yes. Does he suffer from Russian Brittle Groin Syndrome? Signs point to no.
With all that said, I’m going with Varly. Why? Because this isn’t a seven game series, it’s only one game and coming off a dominating shutout (one where he actually held off some good shots) I think he’s in the zone. Plus, if it goes to shootout – as it very well might – there’s no question who I want in the net. Varly is ice cold in the shootout and even though Neuvy stood on his head in that Pitt game, there’s no way Dupuis gets that shot past the Varlamonster in a SO.
Another small, but not insignificant fact: I don’t know where I read this, perhaps one of the Hershey writers, but it was noted some time ago Neuvy has NEVER played an outside game in his career (is this correct?). I suspect the Beast from Samara has played many.
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by J.P. on Dec 29, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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I remember that well and have had it in the back of my mind all season. If you’ll notice, Neuvirth changed his tune somewhere along the way. And I’ll bet he’d rather be in net than shivering on the bench.
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I mean I don’t wanna see Varly’s. It looks like jizz.
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by DrinkingPartner on Dec 29, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Team-Neuvirth, but what determined my decision to vote for Varlamov was seeing his play (in person) en route to an SO last night. It might be me, but I’m noticing he seems more solid positionally relative to the ongoing play than he has ever been. Improved economy of movement lately coupled with less reliance on his instinctual, explosive reflexes and athletic aggressiveness has been impressive over the last few games he’s played. Just an observation.
Then again, I’m not a goalie.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 29, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions
Varly. How do you sit the kid after the shutout. I get the idea that JP mentioned about letting him know things aren’t handed to him, but nothing has been. He got hurt and we were all anointing Neuvy the #1 goalie after his October. Varly’s numbers since coming back from injury have been absolutely stellar save for the MSG game when the team was at it’s lowest point during the losing streak. Neuvy having tweaked something recently only makes it that much more easy of a decision. The trick is finding a way to let Neuvy know this isn’t us anointing Varly #1 either. I just don’t know how you sit him after a shutout and the numbers he has been putting up.
Tough call. I’d almost let both goalies play if that wasn’t something that could mess with the team or each goalie. It is a special game and not at all just another 2 points.
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To me, its pretty simple choice. Since both have been performing good as of late…you look to who was doing better before that, and thats Neuvy who has been healthy and got a pretty good win tally for us at the start of the season. Neuvy has helped us keep our positioning in the standings by getting us alot of those wins that were not easy wins and very close games. Im a huge fan of both – but this is Neuvirth’s game
by blueberrydanish on Dec 29, 2010 6:47 PM EST reply actions
Pity voted for The Truth, but start Varly. Ride the hot hand till he bucks you, then swap goalies. As far as I am concerned they have two #1 goalies and there’s no reason to play them any different.
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