Monday Caps Clips: The Captain Leads in Carolina
Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's win from us, Vogs, WaPo (blog, gamer), CSN Washington (Beninati), Caps365 (video), Peerless, Frankovic, RMNB, Puckhead, KOL, Caps 'Round the Clock, Capitals News Network and Canes Country.
- On a Tim Gleason's hit on Mathieu Perreault (that left him looking like this). Supplemental discipline-worthy? [Puck Daddy]
- A look at some not-so-good New Year's Day weather forecasts for Pittsburgh. [Post-Gazette, Tribune-Review, PensBlog]
- And while weathermen do their thing, the NHL's rink construction team is doing theirs. [NHL.com (blog, video)]
- Is defense the key to Perreault's consistency? Did we really just use "defense" and "Perreault" together? [RMNB]
- Who's the Caps' money goalie? [RMNB]
- Real American Hero John Carlson named to the all-time WJC roster. Impressive. [NHL.com]
- Day 1 at Worlds featured a lot of Caps prospects. [KG's District, Hockey Prospectus]
- Who needs Buffalo anyway, eh, Brett Flemming? [The Spec]
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From Peerless’ report:
It wasn’t flashy, just a meat and potatoes, take care of business sort of game in which the Caps took advantage of opportunities and clamped down on defense when they had to
Textbook definition of a playoff win. And I think the two-day break was a good thing for the team; there was no appearance of a “letdown” from the overly hyped Pens game last Thursday.
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Real American Hero John Carlson named to the all-time WJC roster. Impressive. [NHL.com]
That’s not an all time for the USA list — that’s an all time for anyone list. Very impressive to see him there.
I hope Carlson is better for the Caps than Mikhail Tatarinov was.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
Only saw about half the US game yesterday, saw all of the Canada game.
I wasn’t really impressed with what I saw from Canada.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 27, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
What was up with Russia’s goalie?
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
I still think he played better than Olivier Roy did.
Russia’s PK was also pretty godawful. They gave up three PP goals.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 27, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Of course, Pierre Maguire decided to make the game as unbearable as possible by spending the entire game composing sonnets to Ryan Ellis.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 27, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
in fairness to Pierre
Ryan Ellis is worthy of all that…
/not biased at all
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
:-)
Chris, if you haven’t already, go read the article in Clips ^ about our d-man prospect Brett Flemming. There’s a note there you might find interesting.
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Thanks for the tip. Interesting, but Ellis really has nothing left to learn at the junior level. Zero. He dominates there, and its a travesty he can’t play in the AHL this season.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Cody Eakin agrees
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Ellis is on another level from Eakin, but I have more concern about his development than Burton. I understand he’s in a deep system, but the fact that he hasn’t been able to get a crack at the NHL isn’t a great sign.
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Who, Ellis? I have my concerns he’s going to stick as an NHL D because he’s tiny, and is going to get clobbered.
There’s no shame in not being able to crack the Preds’ NHL d-corps at age 19, though. Right now, he’s the 10th best defenseman in the organization regardless of league.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Size is definitely a concern, and the fact that his defensive play doesn’t seem to have developed a whole ton the last few years. You say he has nothing to learn in Juniors, I disagree. Offensively, sure. But he can always learn to play better in his own end. It’s just funny that he overshadowed Fowler all last year and yet they are such similar players but the knocks all went on Fowler. Now Fowler is playing well in the NHL and Ellis, again, couldn’t even get his 9 game look. I know Fowler had an easier path, but something about not getting a look at the NHL despite his CHL dominance is setting off red flags for me. He might not be the next Bobby Sanguinetti, but I don’t think he’s going to live up to the hype he gets in Canada.
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I don’t think he’s going to live up to that hype either, so I don’t think we’re all that much in disagreement. He’s going to play in the NHL, but its not going to be at the expense of keeping Weber, Suter, Franson, or Roman Josi.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’s going to end up a 3rd pair PP specialist. I could also see him doing the W/D thing and playing all over the place depending on how well he can play forward.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I’ve got to admit, in the back of my mind, I see “Souped Up Marc Andre-Bergeron” in big red lights.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been thinking about Ryan Ellis’ situation (and some other guys) a lot lately and I’ve come to the conclusion that if you aren’t an absolute stud (like a guy that is going to be in the CHL from 16 and a definite stud prospect) then it makes a lot of sense to play your draft year in the USHL and then go to the CHL as an 18 year old and leave open the opportunity to go to the AHL after one year in the CHL if you progress well enough. I also think the next CBA needs to allow for “veteran” CHL guys to go to the AHL before their eligibility is up.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
is that how it works? Enter the CHL at 16 and you can’t leave for 4 years unless you make the NHL, but enter at 18 and you can bolt for the A after a year?
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It depends on where you are drafted from. If you are drafted from the CHL you can’t go pro until you finish your eligibility. If you are drafted from the USHL (like Carlson) you can bolt from the CHL as soon as you get a contract.
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interesting, and thanks for clarifying.
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I don’t think you have to finish your eligibility, but complete your 19 yr old year. Maybe you weren’t considering an overage year and we’re saying the same thing but thought I’d clarify.
Good thoughts, I think I’d tend to agree.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
The US and Finland spent a large part of the game trying to bore each other to death. I understand that if teams feel that they lack the offensive firepower of some of the other teams in the tourney they are going to play more conservatively and focus more on defense. I think that this is the right approach for the US squad, but when they go up against another team with the same philosophy, god it gets boring.
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It was kinda awesome to have Gary Thorne in the booth.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 27, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I agree — I think he’s so much better at hockey than baseball, and it reminds me of watching the playoffs on ESPN in the 90’s.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 27, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
it was the best Boxing Day present ever!
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I understand that if teams feel that they lack the offensive firepower of some of the other teams in the tourney they are going to play more conservatively and focus more on defense. I think that this is the right approach for the US squad
I don’t think that was the US’ gameplan at all – they’ve got quite a bit of offensive talent. The Finns were just determined to choke the life out of that game and they largely succeeded.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
I agree
In fact, the US roster is predominantly offense-oriented. There’s really no one on defense to carry the mail like there was last year.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
They don’t have Fowler and Carlson, which is a huge loss. But Faulk and Merril both were impressive (as was Forbort, but he wasn’t always as offensive). Dumoulin also showed me something. Good frame and very mobile.
It’s too early to tell, but I don’t hate their D right now.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
for some reason, I thought Carlson wasn’t eligible.
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Carlson isn’t eligible. Fowler is. My point is that they were the two puck movers on the team last year, and it’s unrealistic to expect to replace them. They are both near the top of the Calder trophy ranks right now and as good as that U-18 corps that came up for USA is it’s just too much to expect them to fill Carlson’s and Fowler’s skates.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
That was not the US squad’s decision. They’d much rather open it up and play a game like Canada and Russia played. USA actually has some of the most firepower up front, and actually has a ton of offensive skill on the blueline as well. Finland was clogging the shit out of the middle of the ice and forcing the US to play a more boring game and it was rare when their horses were able to open up.
Palmieri looked really good, and he damn well should have had a couple goals.
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Does anyone have an update on Morin’s injury?
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Bob Mckenzie tweeted "Some fear Morin may have a shoulder injury that could be “significant”. Team USA officials refused comment.
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by Sombrero Guy on Dec 27, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
congrats to RAHJC! That’s one heck of an accomplishment.
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The weather forecast for Saturday, the day of the Winter Classic, is for temperatures in the 40s and 40 percent chance of showers. The high for the day is predicted to be 49, unseasonably warm.
So, do they play in cut-offs and T-shirts?
As a point of reference, do you know what temp the arenas are typically kept at?
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 27, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I could be a bit off on this, but I believe optimal building conditions would have a temp around 55F and humidity around 30%.
Biggest concern for an outdoor game is, of course, precipitation in the form of rain, which would make an ice surface unplayable.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 27, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Other than the low humidity, you could store wine at the Phone Booth, then.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 27, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Verizon is usually about 55-60 degrees when no one is in there. Come game time, all the bodies raise the temp up to about 70.
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by snakegriffin on Dec 27, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that Gleason’s hit was suspension-able, personally. It sucked to see Matty’s face explode, but, unfortunately, I think that had more to do with his size than anything that Gleason did.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 27, 2010 9:12 AM EST reply actions
I didn’t rewind at home (and am currently unable to watch the replay); did it look to anyone else that Perrault’s stick got trapped between Gleason and his face, exacerbating the injury? I couldn’t tell if it was just Gleason’s elbow/shoulder, or if Matty’s stick got jammed up into his own nose.
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If you go back and look at the picture, you see that he’s got a fairly bulky bandage to the left side of his nose. I think the stick took a pretty good chunk out of his face there.
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He’s okay, but looks like a doofus? Win-win, in my book.
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He is grinning like a idiot…painkillers or a little nuts?
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 27, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Both, for sure.
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probably thrilled that it’s only a broken nose and some stitches. Could have been way worse
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When I first so all the blood I was afraid the broken shield had messed up his eye or something. A broken nose heals a lot faster with a lot less damage!
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 27, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Matty is lucky he kept all his pearly whites. The stick could have easily taken out his front teeth as well. I thought he had split his upper lip at first with all the blood. Glad to see him smiling, even if it is drug induced!
by Ray of Sunshine on Dec 27, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, I think if Matty P was bit taller, it isn’t nearly as bad. The stick hitting is face and his shield subsequently breaking was kind of a freak event too. I think a lot of it was his small size and bad luck.
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 27, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Gleason’s shoulder and elbow did come up, but he didn’t leave his feet. You could argue a lateral hit with the head being the primary target, but I don’t think it was charging at all – Gleason was gliding, not actively skating, but the rule could still be interpreted that way… it looked like he targeted Perreault from about the hashmarks…
42.1 Charging – A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.
Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A "charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.
Gleason will get a fine for this, automatically, because of the game misconduct. It’s an automatic $1000 fine for a charging major.
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Dec 27, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looking on Puck Daddy’s comment section I got a chuckle when one of the responders claimed that the hit wasn’t dirty because it was centered on Matty’s high chest area. This of course got me thinking that Matty P’s chest comes up to Gleason’s navel, so what gives on the comment?
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by Capsknewbie on Dec 27, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
My problem with the hit, and the reason I agree with the refs’ call, is that it looks like Gleason straightened up right before the hit to put his shoulder at MP’s head level, instead of putting it in his chest. Based on that, and how it has been enforced so far this season, I could see the headshots rule coming into effect.
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I don’t think its suspension worthy, but the ambiguity about the head targeting rules leaves a lot of room for confusion. My guess is that no concussion = no suspension/fine though.
Am I the only one who thought Gleason led with the elbow there? The puck daddy link has the video, best angle is about the 1:05 mark.
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by Sombrero Guy on Dec 27, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was just a normal play gone wrong by freak accidents. He leads with his shoulder fairly clearly, imo.
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The fine is automatic. And it’s $100, not $1000 – mybad.
42.6 Fines and Suspensions – When a major penalty and a game misconduct is assessed for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100) shall be imposed.
If deemed appropriate, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule 28).
I suppose they could call it an illegal check to the head after the fact, based on the wording of the rule, but I don’t think they will. It looked like half the problem was the height difference, although that falls on the checker to compensate, not the victim…
48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A lateral or blind side hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principal point of contact is not permitted.
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In hindsight, the height difference is a big factor, but as you say, it’s not Perreault’s fault he’s significantly shorter than Gleason. Definitely a penalty, and I definitely thought it was blind side.
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As the hitter, it’s on Gleason to compensate when going for a smaller opponent. I’m not entirely sure, given Gleason stopped moving his feet at the hash marks as far as I could tell from the replay and hit Perreault near the wall, that this is really technically even charging; however, Perreault DID get nailed upside the head – possibly by his own stick! – and Gleason’s elbow and shoulder did come up. It’s more like he stood up into the hit rather than leaving his feet, though, and that helps with the “not really charging” angle. His feet never left the ice until he tripped over Perreault.
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What would the penalty be otherwise? I know they had originally called it boarding, or at least that’s what Joe B and Locker said, but Perreault didn’t go into the boards. “5 Minutes – Really Bad Check”? It wasn’t elbowing, really, and it wasn’t a crosscheck or a high-stick.
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Charging is part of “really bad check” and it’s never kosher to put your shoulder up into a person’s head. Perreault’s stick and visor got caught between Gleason’s shoulder and his battered nose. If Gleason doesn’t elevate, Perreault gets kabonged pretty badly but not bloodied.
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Right, which is why, even if he didn’t take any strides or leave his feet, I still think charging was the best penalty to call.
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Charging’s really about the only thing they could call… but the rule doesn’t say anything about shoulders/elbows/etc. All charging says is what I say above.
Unfortunately (fortunately!), you can’t give someone a penalty for high-sticking themselves…
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I think “shall violently check the opponent in any manner” is the appropriate catch-all for hits that don’t fall clearly into one of the other categories.
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by IRockTheRed on Dec 27, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
It’s charging because Gleason elevated and put his shoulder up pretty high into a shorter opponent. It works the same way with hipchecks — if someone like MSL, Perreault or Gerbe goes to hipcheck a taller opponent they must be aware of the height difference and not send their hips directly into the taller opponent’s knees. I absolutely buy the charging penalty there but not necessarily a major and certainly not a suspension. It was a clean hit, just bloody because of MP85’s stick coming up and cracking his visor.
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I would be very uncomfortable with the NHL saying that hit was either “lateral” or “blindside.” If the player who gets hit is up against the boards playing the puck, and the player who deals the hit is also up against the boards, then I don’t think that’s “lateral” or “blindside” no matter where the dude with the puck is looking. Everyone needs to expect hitting along the boards all the time.
This is a very different situation from boarding — where the hitter comes in from open ice behind the player with the puck. That’s blindside for sure. But if the hitter is along the boards next to the guy who gets hit, that’s just hockey.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it even warranted a 5 and a game. I’d be willing to bet almost all the damage came from the broken shield. It didn’t look like MP was knocked out at all, just cut really badly.
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I’ve noticed that as well….Karl and John seem to be last pair on the ice lately and Karl always gives Varly/Neuvy big props after the buzzer. Also liked seeing Sasha getting down on ice level to check on Matty. That’s one thing I don’t think HBO has captured that well for the Caps yet is the comraderie and friendships among the players. I guess they preferred the gloom and doom of the losing streak – perhaps this week we will see some fun with the recent 3-0-1 record.
by Ray of Sunshine on Dec 27, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Not so preferred but rather keep the narrative simple. It’s easy to focus on a team’s camaraderie when winning but I thought they tried to bring some of that out with the Caps during their dinner and the ole lobster in Professor Brads’ coat. But I’m with you on hoping they show the lighter side of the Caps’ locker room with more jokes and laughter and friendships with the two wins and fiercely fought SO loss. I’m remembering BB discussing how teams usually have three games a week and they now had two miserable weeks. I’m looking forward to a show about a very good Caps’ week.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 27, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
My sister’s been getting frustrated (and has passed her frustration on to me) because they’re showing all of these Penguins with their families and it’s really sweet – and while we love seeing Ovi at home and Greenie on his Vespa, wouldn’t it be nice to see Knuble at home with HIS kids or something? I think that was supposed to be in episode 2, hopefully it makes the cut on Wednesday.
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I had the same thought—that it’s time to see a Caps player’s home life and they already have film of Knubles’ family so maybe it will show up in episode three. Besides I want to hear about how many stitches in his face he’s accumulated over the course of his career. He’s a very necessary and veteran key player and as much as I love Hendricks it’s time for HBO to show more significant role players on the Caps team.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 27, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
So glad I’m not the only one feeling this way. I feel that most of the friendships, personalities, family fun, and extra activities (except for the sculpture garden skate) haven’t been shown. Where is the poker game on the plane we always hear about? The losing streak accounts for some of the dampened emotions, but I am beginning to feel editing is the bigger culprit.
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Indeed. Or the juice boy game they like to play at the end of practice. I think they edited it out fearing it would dilute the narrative. Choosing for example a solemn moment on the plane following a bad loss rather than a moment of fun such as their legendary card games when the vibe is positive. And they have only shown so far BB’s motivational speeches to the entire room and none of his player specific analysis. Same with his discussions with McPhee. They kept the general discussion but none of the specific which we know was there because they both had papers in front of them during that discussion.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 27, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I was expecting a visit to the Knubles as well. They live nearby on a very all-American type street – houses close together built in the ‘20s to ’40s. I’ve seen Mike out playing street hockey with the kids – did a double take, “hey, that’s Mike Knuble!”.
by Ray of Sunshine on Dec 27, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m hoping they’ll follow up with Scott Hannan. When HBO showed him looking at houses, the camera drove along a street just two blocks from where I live, in Alexandria.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 27, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
for whatever reason, lots of Caps and Nats seem to live in very normal neighborhoods, not gated communities. I’m always hearing stuff like “Such-and-such pro athlete lives down the street from me. Nice guy.”
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I’ve Also done a happy double take when I’ve seen Knuble and his family in Old Town.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 27, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
My fire Boudreau sentiment is so far down lately. The team is so aggressive on the net and it shows with the Ovechkin goal. That’s how you create luck — push the net hard and you’re going to get rewarded. Not digging on the too many men on the ice penalty but with the PK playing ultra aggressive, Varlamov and Neuvirth getting back to playing to their potential and the defense hopefully back healthy soon I’m back to thinking the Caps will lose in the first round in 7 games instead of just 4 or 5 :(
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Gee, optimist much?
Wow.
It’s December. I’d rather they work this stuff out now than in February or March!
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Capitals postseason success is getting 2 or 3 wins early in the series before losing the series. I’m optimistic they’ll repeat that.
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by Becca H on Dec 27, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I made this post late last night in the recap thread.
The only thing I didn’t like from #8 tonight was the play leading up to his goal, almost a shame that his play on that was rewarded.
1. Goes into corner and wins the puck.
2. Cycles puck to Knuble, who has a Cane draped all over him.
3. Knuble looks to continue the cycle since he has a defender all over him, but suddenly realizes he is now all alone on the boards because AO bailed on the whole cycle thing and was cherrypicking in front of the net, expecting Knuble to not only win the battle, be a one man cycle, and still deliver a pass to him in front of the net.
Of course, Knuble doesn’t get him the puck, but does manage to keep it in the zone, and the eventual bouncing puck lands on Ovechkin’s stick. Really can’t see how he deserved it though after bailing out on the hard work part of that play.
That goal was the result of everyone elses hard work, not Ovechkin’s, except for the initial effort for him to go get the puck in the corner. I really feel that for the team to completely turn the corner, players like Ovechkin, especially since he is captain, are going to have to lose the score pretty goals first mentality and buy into paying the price for ugly goals. Ovechkin should have continued to work with Knuble in the corner, until the opportunity was created to cycle out for a shot. Instead, Ovechkin got lucky and managed to score without putting in the effort. That isn’t good hockey.
by HateOffSeason on Dec 27, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
yes, but just going to the net means you’re rewarded. You can cycle endlessly like the Sedin’s but until you put the puck on net you have an extremely low chance of scoring a goal unless Boyle is on defense.
It’s like in football, if you forget what the play is you just go and hit the person in front of you as hard as you can. You make lemonade out of the lemons you served up to your team. Ovechkin did the same there. It was a mistake, but it was the correct play to make on a mistake. Go to the net in the offensive zone and chances are you’re going to have something happen for you.
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Right, but the point is that while the puck is still being fought for in the corner, Ovechkin needs to help out. Going to the net is the right play for the third forward, not the guy who is working in the cycle.
Basically Ovechkin got rewarded for making a bad, selfish play. That isn’t the type of leadership that is going to get the Caps into position for a cup run.
by HateOffSeason on Dec 27, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not a selfish play. You need someone to go to the net, and if Knuble is working hard along the boards to continue the cycle he’s doing so with the idea that eventually the puck has to get free and get to the net.
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I could be wrong here, and it certainly wouldn’t be the first time. I only saw it live, and my first thought was “where in the hell is he going?”
Admittedly, #8 isn’t really good at cycling, and it certainly doesn’t play to the strength of his game. However, if he is going to lead by example and turn this team in to a tougher, simpler, grinding team for the playoffs, which they all claim they are trying to do, then this isn’t the way to do it.
If Knuble had the puck cleanly, then I’m ok with breaking to the middle. He didn’t though, and the only reason the puck came to Ovechkin was because of a bad clear. You can’t win consistently playing hockey just hoping for bad breaks instead of putting in hard work.
by HateOffSeason on Dec 27, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I think it is leading by example, actually, because it shows he’s willing to do things a little out of the norm for him (he’s not usually the guy going to the front of the net, for example) and get the dirty goals that are created as much by luck as they are by skill. Sure, it required a bad clear – but sometimes you have to put yourself in the position to take advantage of something like that.
Had they cleared it successfully, Ovie being there likely wouldn’t have resulted in a bad break. Because they didn’t, him being there created a scoring chance. It was a lucky play but a smart one, and I’m happy with him doing whatever he can to get himself out of this rough patch. He knows that ultimately the team needs him to be better in order to be successful longterm.
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ok, well, Ovechkin either goes to support Knuble — Backstrom is now way out of position. Ovechkin goes to get a pass from Knuble along the endboards — there’s now no one in front of the net dressed in white and Ovechkin has no outs except back to Knuble.
It wasn’t a selfish play, he read it wrong and went to a soft spot in the defense.
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also, it’s Knuble. If it was Backstrom or Semin or someone weaker on the puck I’m sure Ovechkin would have came to play the pass instead of to play the net. Knuble’s strong enough to deal with a 2 on 1, which was evidenced when he managed to put it softly behind the net so that Ovechkin could come down and keep it from being cleared.
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I would remove Backstrom from that statement.
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by Doncosmic on Dec 27, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, Backstrom’s pretty strong along the boards – deceptively so, when he’s on his game he’s one of the best. And to be honest, Semin’s pretty good at it, too (when he wants to be). Of anyone on the “top” line I’d say Ovie’s probably the weakest, and that’s totally relative because even he’s decent.
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Backstrom/Semin aren’t Knuble on the boards. If there’s one guy that has Jagrhaunches on the team that can bury a puck on the boards and stay upright it’s Knuble. He routinely holds a puck even against 2 defenders, especially if he has time to set up for it.
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Backstrom/Semin aren’t Knuble on the boards
Really? I might grant you Semin just because he’s so inconsistent, but IMO when Backstrom is playing his game no one is taking the puck away from him…regardless of where he is on the ice.
by Yoshietree on Dec 27, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
but IMO when Backstrom is playing his game
Emphasis mine. Again, Semin and Backstrom may be strong on the boards but they’re not Knuble on the boards. I’m not saying they’re weak, just weaker than Knuble and that isn’t part of their game. Knuble’s game is getting crosschecked in front of the net or getting crosschecked along the boards. That’s his bread and butter.
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We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. No player on the Caps team can position himself along the boards as well as Backstrom can IMO…Knuble may very well be the better cycler of the two…but in terms of puck protection (anywhere on the ice) Backstrom and Knuble are barely in the same book.
by Yoshietree on Dec 27, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anywhere on the ice, I’m betting on Backstrom. Without a doubt he’s top 5 without even thinking of anyone else to put in that list in the league in terms of protecting the puck on open ice.
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Basically Ovechkin got rewarded for making a bad, selfish play. That isn’t the type of leadership that is going to get the Caps into position for a cup run.
I have such a headache. Maybe it’s because I’ve been banging my head on the desk after reading this “comment”. If you took away all the goals that came from being lucky or being in the right place at the right time, not only wouldn’t you have any 50 goal scorers, you wouldn’t have any 30 goal scorers.
Not even arguing that point. Luck is huge. And it seems like karma usually pays off to those who work hard and make the right decisions. When you do those things, it seems like luck usually goes your way. I just don’t like to see luck paying off when your aren’t working your hardest and making the best decisions. Sure it happens, but that isn’t the sort of thing that you can hang your hat on.
by HateOffSeason on Dec 27, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
He’s part of a team. He did something that paid off for the team. What is the problem with that? If no one had been in front of the net, we’d all be complaining that by not going to the net a scoring chance was missed.
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by oldemystix on Dec 27, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d for troof.
I really get tired of the double standard. This team is frequently damned if they do, damned if they don’t. And if Ovechkin’s luck hadn’t paid out last night, the game might have had a different outcome.
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My take on it last night as it happened was that Ovi saw a soft spot in the defense and went there hoping to capitalize on it. He relied on his instinct IMO. Can’t get the lucky bounce if he didn’t put himself in a position to take advantage of it. This is an example I think of the old adage of how a player needs to make his own luck.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 27, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ovie peeled off expecting Knuble to send the puck back to the point, which is exactly what happened.
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by Sombrero Guy on Dec 27, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
My fire Boudreau sentiment is so far down lately.
What do you think of Boudreau now that you’ve seen some behind-the-scenes coaching? What did you think of his (almost) relentlessly positive approach through the slide?
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t form any opinions on it. Whoever is editing it is determining what we’re seeing — I liked what I heard in general but I know it’s not even 1/10th of what is being said in the locker room. Like, namely, have we heard Crosby or Ovechkin say anything? The most out of them was that Ovechkin brings his PS3 on road trips and Crosby has the most grody cup of all time.
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I’m more sold on Boudreau based on the fact that the team seems to be buying in to tighter, more fundamentally-sound hockey. With the big guns out of commission, for all intents and purposes, they’ve had to play a much more disciplined game and it looks like they’ve stopped being so casual about allowing chances against.
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I guess the only knock was that the team didn’t look confident but they did show he was trying to make them confident. They gave up all sorts of goals early on all last year but it was just like they were toying with teams since they knew they could come back. Boudreau couldn’t seem to inspire them (judging by the flawed metric of “did they win any games after his impassioned speeches”) but I can’t fault a guy for that. He’s a hockey coach, not a psychologist.
All of it was on like what you said — letting the team play loosey goosey hockey and not just admitting that they need the 1st through 4th to play grind hockey and to change the game from a battle of finesse and skill to a battle of willpower and endurance.
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I guess the only knock was that the team didn’t look confident but they did show he was trying to make them confident.
I think at some point there’s nothing a coach can really do that he wasn’t doing – it’s hard when every bounce seems to go the wrong way, every goalie seems to be hot and you can’t find the back of the net to save your life. The guys said during their long winning streak that it felt like they couldn’t lose no matter what; I’m betting it’s the same during a long losing streak, little things snowball and after the 3rd, 4th, 5th straight loss you start questioning yourselves.
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they’ve had to play a much more disciplined game
And yet they fucked up about 6 line-changes yesterday, leading to two goals, a too-many men penalty and a boat-load of scoring chances against.
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One goal against in the third period in the last six games. 2 PP goals against.
It’s an improvement.
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by Kolzilla on Dec 27, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Carolina also plinked a couple of posts. Those were the kinds of plays that went against the Caps about a week ago.
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And Carolina also got a lucky bounce on their second goal. I didn’t think Varly had to make more than 1 or 2 great saves but I could be wrong.
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It’s all well and good, but for me, line-changes are one of the fundamentals. Messing that up repeatedly is a sign of indiscipline and poor coaching. I’m happy to get the win, I’d just like to see the team eliminate these “unforced errors” from their game.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 27, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I’ll add the disclaimer that they need to keep up the commitment to defense and back checking once the big guns come around in order for me to buy in 100% to BB. Six games is a small sample size.
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I think they were a little rusty last night, and it showed, and was to be expected – that the worst of it really came in about a 5 minute stretch to start the third is a good thing, if you ask me. They didn’t play a 60 minute game but they limited most of their mistakes to that one stretch (and the horrific line change that led to the first CAR goal).
It wasn’t like the whole game was so undisciplined that they led a parade to the penalty box 15 times a period and gave up multiple odd-man rushes. They had a couple of rough changes and one really bad odd-man rush as a result.
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Admittedly, I don’t watch every team in the league with regularity, but anecdotally the Caps seem to screw up line changes more than any other team. I understand it’s the first game back, but it was the first game back for Carolina, too. They weren’t cocking up line changes.
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It does seem like we get nicked with a lot of too many men penalties and have notoriously bad line changes, but I don’t know that I can say with any certainty that our line changes are actually any worse than other teams. Maybe the style of play the Caps have in place makes it more obvious? I think Pittsburgh has had similar problems in recent years, fwiw.
Also, there were a ton of ‘too many men’ calls in the playoffs last year and they certainly weren’t all ours (and not just because we were out before May :P)
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Too Many Men...
See, I didn’t think we’d been hit too much with too many men on the ice, so I went back and looked… sure enough: four all season.
1) Devils vs. Capitals (09-OCT-2010)
2) Senators vs. Capitals (11-OCT-2010)
3) Capitals vs. Bruins (21-OCT-2010)
4) Capitals vs. Hurricanes (26-DEC-2010
Now, delaying the game by throwing the puck over the glass? That we’ve been hit with a LOT more frequently.
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by IRockTheRed on Dec 27, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
given that Poti has been out so much, I bet it’s less than in season’s past :)
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Which, delaying the game?
I’m still working on compiling all the penalties, by team, ref, and player – wish there was an easier way than manually, but extracting out of a PDF isn’t happening…
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by IRockTheRed on Dec 27, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, sorry, delay of game for puck over glass. Seemed like it was a Poti specialty for a while.
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by IRockTheRed on Dec 27, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Poti hasn’t gotten one this year.
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by IRockTheRed on Dec 27, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t really understand the “we love him when we’re winning games, but as soon as we lose a few, it’s all fire and brimstone” stuff anyways.
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by twistedlogic on Dec 27, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I was fire Boudreau through last year. His problem is inability to adapt to what ails the Caps — forechecking and trap. They’ve made some fundamental changes in how the wingers operate and how the team isn’t as forceful with the puck through the neutral zone and the past few games they’ve looked so much better for it.
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The key (or one of the keys) to the Caps seems obvious to me, and McPhee underscored it on last week’s 24/7. It’s about continuity and building the right personnel. It’s something that has been shown to work empirically in business and works in sports as well.
Empircally, it has been shown that when a business keeps employees, customers, and shareholders long term, it is more successful.
In sports, teams that have continuity of players, coaches, and fans tend to be more successful. Teams that go through constant change searching for that “right” combination tend not to be successful. The Redskins, NY Rangers and NY Knicks are teams that fall into this bucket. Even a team like the Yankees has had continuity of ownership, of managers (in recent years) and of players.
McPhee just isn’t going to fire Boudreau rashly. He is also going to continue to build a team that includes players like Erskine and Poti, because he sees the sum of the parts greater than the whole. This is not to say you can’t make tweaks, but, when you do, you look for missing pieces in terms of talents, and role, but you don’t upset the long term goal of building a team environment.
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McPhee just isn’t going to fire Boudreau rashly.
Barring an absolutely epic collapse, Boudreau is likely safe from here until the off-season, in large part because of the difficulty in finding an adequate replacement. Had the previous losing streak dragged out another couple of games, I think McPhee might have pulled the trigger, because continued failure would have implied that the team had quit on Boudreau.
Another playoff collapse and he’s done though.
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You and I disagree on this. I doubt there was any circumstance, barring a) a player revolt, b) an edict from Ted, or c) an unthinkable losing streak of 15+ games, that McPhee would fire Boudreau.
He invested in BB in Hershey to build an organizational system that these kids have grown up in. That’s his strategy right now, and he’ll stick to it.
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He invested in BB in Hershey to build an organizational system that these kids have grown up in.
Sorry, but I’m calling BS on this one. It was less strategy than luck. If that were strategy, the team wouldn’t have held onto Hanlon for so long, and BB wouldn’t have been an interim coach when he was first installed. If BB had floundered in 07-08, he would have been replaced by someone else.
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You are allowed to learn things along the way. At this point, McPhee is invested in Boudreau and the system. He’s built the team around it. We can disagree with the strategy, but I believe (and I could be wrong) that McPhee isn’t going to pull the trigger any time soon.
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At this point, McPhee is invested in Boudreau and the system.
Sure. But your comment made it sound as though this had been the plan all along since 05-06, which is highly implausible.
I believe (and I could be wrong) that McPhee isn’t going to pull the trigger any time soon.
Which is pretty much precisely what I said. The team would have needed to really tank. But let’s not forget Boudreau’s locker room speech from Ottawa. He knew that if the streak went on, eventually he’d likely “lose the room” as players began to question his choices. Once a tailspin reaches that level, it’s tough to pull back out.
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McPhee has been here forever, in sports’ years. No way he’s been invested in that strategy since then. That is fair. But once he saw what BB could do in Hershey and how those players responded to him on and off the ice, he realized he had something. Good executives have open minds and learn along the way.
Wilson, Cassidy, Hanlon, Boudreau. Realize that he gave Wilson parts of 5 seasons and Hanlon parts of 4 seasons. Cassidy was a mistake, clearly. He makes investments and is reluctant to change course.
At this point, we’re preaching to each other’s choirs, so I’ll shut up.
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Does that mean that, if we do what all three previous Winter Classic visiting teams have done, we’ve got Boudreau here for another season?
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 27, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
“…inability to adapt…”
The Caps have changed the penalty kill and the even strength systems this year. Seems to me like there is an ability to adapt. You could argue that he didn’t adapt quickly enough with respect to the pk, but as for the even strength system, there was no reason to change it until it failed in games 5-7 last April.
Was travelling all day, checking the score on nhl.com from my phone. I noticed at the end that MP scored a goal and was curious as to why he only got 3-4 minutes ice time. I figured he got injured.
Now that I’m looking at the video. I wish I could say it wasn’t a clean it, but it looked fine and MP’s stick hit his own face.
Ouch. Talk about bad luck. Looks like he cracked his stick in half on his own face.
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m going to have a very difficult, if not impossible time staying over if the WC gets moved to Sunday. I’ll incur more hotel costs, airplane change fees, and miss family events on Sunday. They can play as late as they like on Saturday, just not Sunday.
Given the multi-cultural make-up of this board, perhaps we can get prayers for cold, snowy weather going in all denominations? I don’t care who stops the rain – God, JC (the big one, not #74), Allah, Jehovah, Vishnu, Buddha, Ra, Isis, Zeus, Odin, or someone else.
I’ll start with a basic plea: God I need this game played Saturday! Amen. I’ll add in a Shema and a Shechechayanu for the Jewish contingent.
Any other thoughts, incantations, or prayers are indeed welcome and encouraged.
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K_C and I saw them on their last tour this summer. At least they’re breaking up because they’ve done everything they wanted to and not because of in fighting and getting stale.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 27, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Knuble may be willing to sacrifice a goat for you :)
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Didn’t Abraham do that as well? That worked pretty well for him.
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I bit the bullet last night and added a day to my hotel reservation. I figured even if the game goes on schedule, by the time we get out of the stadium and get some dinner (my husband isn’t going to agree to dinner on the PA Turnpike, and I probably don’t blame him), it will be late, and worth staying over. I can still change my mind. And if the game goes on Sunday, I’ll deal with lousy food.
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I’m dealing with plane tickets on Sunday morning and about 50 people coming to my house on Sunday late afternoon for a charity thing. Even without the 50 people, I’d be looking at $300 in change fees, plus the hotel and food.
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I’ll bite the bullet, but it’s these 50 people coming to my house Sunday afternoon that could be the dagger.
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That is incredibly bad timing, no matter which was scheduled first.
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Um – the game, the tickets, the flight, the hotel. By months. Months. MONTHS!!!!
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I avoid the turnpike at all costs, if you take 79 south you could get a decent dinner in Washinton, PA
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68 is a much nicer drive. I’ve done it pretty quickly, and you dont have to do the tractor trailer slalom like you do on the turnpike.
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by Sombrero Guy on Dec 27, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
WJC impressions
Not sure I agreed much with the Puck Prospectus take on the Caps’ prospects in the World Junior Championship games from last night. Here are my grades:
Orlov = B/B-: Orlov wasn’t a physical presence, but like Ryan Ellis, that’s really not his game. His outlet passes might have been the best of any player on either side. He’s never going to “wow” anyone with his physical tools, and we really didn’t get to see his shot much last night. His passing and puck-moving abilities were impressive. His defensive positioning will need some work though, because he’s not quick enough to recover from being out of position.
Kuznetsov = C-: Kuznetsov has loads of skill. Unfortunately, it looks like that skill resides in player with absolutely no sack whatsoever. All game long, his skating and puckhandling abilities put him in position to create chances but, unlike Tarasenko, he never did much with those chances because he looked desperately afraid of getting hit. He lost every single puck battle he was in, and lost the puck off of his stick at the mere suggestion of a defenseman challenging him. He was a turnover machine and he made little to no effort to get the puck back after each turnover. This led to his line being pretty much ineffectual all night. He looks right now like a player whose game will have a very tough time translating from the bigger ice sheet to North America.
Eakin = C: Looked like a moderately effective grinder in limited ice-time. I think he drew a penalty and took one, so he came out even there. He had one chance where he used his speed to force the defense out of position, but otherwise he was pretty invisible compared to his linemates.
Wey = INC: did he even touch the ice?
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we really didn’t get to see his shot much last night
Yeah, that was strange…I felt like he kept passing up chances to shoot when he had them or taking something off of his shot, or having his stick break or his shot blocked. By the third period I stopped expecting anything to happen when he teed it up.
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I agree on Kuznutz. He had a couple of brilliant moves with the puck but he was constantly cherry picking, frustratingly so. If Datsyuk is his hero, he has a long way to go to play like that. Also agree on Eakin.
Re Orlov, I would give him a lower grade. To me, he looked disinterested at times and on one Canadian PP, he was sucking wind big time. Granted, the Canadians had the puck in the zone for about a minute, but he was bending over trying to catch his breath while the puck was at the point. And given his demotion in the KHL and less than stellar play at the prospects’ camp, he feels like a player heading in the wrong direction. Hopefully the Caps can get him over here next season to push that work ethic.
did he even touch the ice?
I think just long enough in the 3rd for me to point out to my fiance that he is a caps prospect
If it's too loud, turn it down.
According to ESPN, if Michael Leighton is traded, it’ll be to a team that is struggling in goal, like the Washington Capitals or Tampa Bay Lightning.
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I’m just not seeing Washington “struggling” in goal. Tampa Bay, yes.
I was on the record last week of not wanting Leighton. I’m standing by that.
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Same here. I kinda thought that was a joke. I know Neuvy and Varly have their ups and downs, but they haven’t played poorly at all.
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by twistedlogic on Dec 27, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Agree, we’re not struggling in the least. We had a rough patch, but the goaltending just went along with all the other issues the team was having over the same stretch.
And……….I just…..I don’t get……I…..how would a team struggling in goal be helped by acquiring a guy who has struggled in goal more often than not??? There’s a reason he’s bounced around so much over the years, and a reason why people were shocked when he helped the Flyers to the Finals.
GRR. ESPN, stop shoving us into this little box you want us to be in. Varlamov/Neuvirth =/= Smith/Ellis.
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It’s the meme that won’t die… Not only are the Caps happy with their goaltending situation, they’re definitely not going to expend draft picks and prospects to bring in a mediocre goalie, or a good goalie with a monster cap hit.
Especially not with the gaping 2C hole.
You had me at no problem.
As Irbe said, at some point the young guys have to get the experience in order to become a veteran.
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"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 27, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
but ESPN says Marty Brodeur will save us!
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How many times has Marty been yanked so far this year? I want whatever it is that Burnside has been smoking, because it’s got to be really good stuff.
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He’s been yanked more times than he’s won. How about that?
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He got yanked again last night against the Leafs. 3 goals on 14 shots. It’s not ALL his fault but…man alive, he is not the same goalie he once was. Sad, really, it wasn’t that long ago that he was the best.
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He was once so great! And he is getting old, but I am surprised he declined so fast. Think maybe it is partially a mental thing?
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 27, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
It has to be at least a little mental…seems to be the problem with a lot of his teammates, too, fwiw. It has to be. They have a lot of guys past their prime, and I didn’t think they would be a contender heading into this year but they shouldn’t be THIS bad, you know? At some point it gets in your head.
It’s just kind of the perfect storm. Losing Parise is big but they had him for a little while (albeit not at 100% even then). Their prospects-turned-roster players just aren’t good enough, Marty’s slowed down, their big name free agents have all disappointed, Kovy’s a poor fit for their style, and the awful contracts they’ve handed out in the last year or two have prevented them from fixing any of it.
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It has to be at least a little mental
The dude is just . . . OLD. It happens. He hung on too long.
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Yup, and that’s the rest of it. No way is it ALL mental – a little bit, but the injuries have built up over the last year or so and he’s 38 years old. Plus he’s being asked to play behind a crappy team, and he’s not a guy who can bail you out anymore.
That’s why they went out and got Hedberg, by the way. They had to know they’d need someone at least capable of carrying more than the usual 10 games a year, and Moose was really good for the Thrashers. Not sure why they insist on still playing Marty as much as they do even with Hedberg on the bench, but I’m not a coach.
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Hedberg’s no spring chicken, either. Do they even have a goalie prospect that’s any good?
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Apparently they must, since they aren’t on ESPNs list of teams with bad goaltending.
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by twistedlogic on Dec 27, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not really convinced Marty can save anything.
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by twistedlogic on Dec 27, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I feel so smug about that first NJ game when I told F&B that Marty couldn’t slam the door like he used to. He’s getting into a mental funk that may never end.
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you may feel smug, but I feel like an idiot for coming into the season saying, I’m not counting out Jersey until they’re good and dead. They’ll make the playoffs, just like they do every year.
yeah, epic fail on that one.
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There’s still time!
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by twistedlogic on Dec 27, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
They’re overdue for a system change — I never believed Kovalchuk would be a fit there, but he could be if they’d stop relying on a goalie who’s no longer reliable. If Kovy was performing and Parise was back and the scorers were allowed to play looser, they could turn it around. Probably not going to happen, though.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 27, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how much the system will help. The Devils are a classic example of a team in any of the three salary cap leagues that is mis-managed.
Teams in all leagues have always found a way to keep stars, but build a team. Lakers, Patriots, Colts, Wings, Pens, even the Capitals. For every Ovechkin, there is a John Erskine. For every Tom Brady, there is a Danny Woodhead. And think about the players that have surrounded Kobe.
IMHO, the Devils are fucked for years to come, especially if they can’t sign Parise.
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I seriously hope they can’t sign Parise – I’d love to see him elsewhere in the East (or on Nashville, of course, but you know).
Spals to the wall.
by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Happy to have him go to the Preds. See him only once or twice a year.
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So would I – I’d send New Jersey a king’s ransom and then drive up and move him myself. A perfect fit here, and the ownership says money is set aside for a star forward, but only if its the “right” one, whatever that means. Have to think Parise fits that bill.
But, of course, there’s a snowball’s chance in hades of Parise ever leaving New Jersey, so its a moot point.
Spals to the wall.
by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’d let him live in my basement for sure.
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by twistedlogic on Dec 27, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
if Parise goes there I might actually have to root for them. He was one of the best damned forwards on the ice during the Olympics and he was dressed in the ol’ red white and blue. How about that.
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No. No. No.
I’m sick and tired of this logic.
I looked at this morning’s standings. The Caps have given up 2.76 goals per game. That ranks them 13th out of 30 teams.
Seems like STL has good goal-tending with Halak right? Wrong – they are at 2.74.
Pundits – just shut up.
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I believe the quote was, “if they knew anything about hockey, they’d be in the game.”
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I believe you are correct.
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There’s a difference between retired players giving their opinion, and professional scribes giving theirs. GMGM is a smart man.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I don’t think it’s outlandish to speculate about BB’s job safety after a ninth straight loss.
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Not at all. That’s what 3/4 of these folks are paid to do. They stir things up. That’s it.
Clearly the notion of Leighton being of value to the Caps, however, is ridiculous.
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I don’t think it’s outlandish to speculate about BB’s job safety after a ninth straight loss.
Actually, the losing streak was eight and, iirc, the Junks were calling for Bruce’s head after the 7th loss against Anaheim, but I get your point.
Well yeah, they were saying that if the streak hits nine and they lose to Ottawa, maybe you have to look into firing him. I believe after the 8th straight loss, a lot of people were asking the same questions around here.
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You are correct sir. Long, drawn out arguments about BB’s fitness for the job.
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Sarge is skating this morning!
Poti, not so much.
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Other than a “head injury”, do we have any idea what’s with Poti?
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Think he got the same groin virus that was hampering Varley. Too bad their chiropractor doesn’t hands out roids instead of Valtrex.
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Don’t think so. I wasn’t looking up when they showed it last night, but I think they showed the play where he got hit.
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I saw that too and unless he got concussed by the stick, I’m at a loss to figure out how that kept him out last night.
If he’s not even skating, I’m worried about a concussion. Or as Becca said, maybe he got hit near his eye. But wasn’t he supposedly day-to-day?
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according to Joe B, yes. he went on the trip. maybe it’s just a maintenance day? He’s not the most durable of guys.
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Also, no Perreault (not surprising) or Johansson.
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Mono?
Lulz.
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That was just mean.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 27, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Update: “Maintenance day” for Mackan.
Alrighty then.
I do expect to see Perreault (in a cage) taking the opening faceoff tomorrow.
Not sure if I expect to see him with any ice time by the third period.
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Johansson absorbed a pretty big hit from Staal. Could just be a recovery day. Mackan played pretty well after the hit, but it’s another thing after you cool down and muscles tighten.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Start winning games, start getting green arrows.
Ups-n-downs, right this way.
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Confirmed: No additional discipline for Gleason.
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I’ll be the first to chime in to say that I agree with the decision. I’m still not sure it was a penalty.
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Agreeing to, but I can see it being a minor or double minor for charging. Really not sold on it being a major.
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I think the major at the time was the right call – not because it necessarily deserved one but in the moment, as fast as it happened and as horrible as the result was, it looks like a head shot and you just have to call that.
We all have the benefit of instant replay to say “yeah, that’s a bad call” but refs have to make the split-second decision, and then it’s up to the League to (hopefully) review it and figure out if the right decision was made.
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I don’t fault the refs for the call. Not at all. That’s why, in some ways, I’m glad there was no supplemental discipline.
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yeah I gotta agree — snap judgement, it’s a major because the guy is bleeding profusely on the ice. Just in retrospect with 50 million angles, not sold on it being a major. Gleason definitely made an unwarranted hit by putting his shoulder up into Perreault’s head but it was just a dumb mistake, not malicious. If he was gliding into Perreault I would be up in arms, but he was coming over rather lazily for a normal-we-see-it-20-times-a-game hit along the board. Just no need for him to elevate into the hit on a shorter opponent.
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I think we’re all sort of agreeing that the call was justified, but incorrect. But we’ve been on the wrong side of calls like that, too — it happens.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 27, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Justified, and...?

Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Some of you may have seen it on Twitter, but JP just unearthed this lovely piece of opinionated…stuff.
My favorite parts?
You don’t have to be Herb Brooks to know that losing eight in a row constitutes a crisis. You don’t have to be Gordie Howe to see Capitals coach Bruce Boudreau begging, pleading and dropping dozens of F-bombs, then conclude there’s difficulty. You don’t have to be Toe Blake to be befuddled by Alex Ovechkin scoring just three times in 20 games.
The Capitals have inferior defense, inexperienced goaltending and lack depth at center. A star should be sacrificed to reinforce said areas.
The Penguins could use a wing. But wing is hockey’s least impactful position. Once Jordan Staal returns and Evgeni Malkin slides to the flank, that problem seems solved. Remember, the Penguins assembled a 12-game winning streak and raced to the top of the Eastern Conference minus Staal.
Remember, the Caps assembled a 14-game winning streak (…that’s two more than 12, and 14 is better than 12 /Bylsma’d) with arguably the same if not more pronounced weaknesses. But why use logic??
The Capitals get rattled when they ratchet up the toughness quotient. The Penguins don’t.
So…Mike Green responding to an overly physical first period by having his best game of the year and Malkin getting clearly shaken up by an early hit from Ovechkin are, I guess, not being factored in.
The Capitals provided the ammunition by losing eight straight. Boudreau pitched in by being a buffoon. The camera doesn’t lie.
…there are no words.
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by Becca H on Dec 27, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You skipped my favorite part!
A Washington columnist complained that "24/7" portrays the Capitals in a negative light. That’s what reality TV does: It reflects reality.Anyone who thinks that reality TV portrays the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth should not be trusted with a newspaper column.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 27, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think there are a lot of things in that piece that tell me this person should not be trusted with a newspaper column…but yes, agreed.
And Boudreau looks just as capable if not more capable than Bylsma in the second episode.
Whatever. Madden’s a tool.
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No argument.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 27, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it’s a matter of perspective/preference, but I have a hard time saying that Boudreau has looked as capable as Bylsma. I prefer a more businesslike, disciplined coach which Bylsma has appeared to me to be. Maybe Bruce’s style is better with our roster, i don’t know, but I’ve loved what I’ve seen of Bylsma.
We’ve seen some interesting stuff — his meetings with the assistant coaches and the GM to rate every player after every game are fascinating. We haven’t seen any parallel meetings in the Washington organization. I’m sure such meetings don’t take the same form, but I’m not sure that they don’t happen.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 27, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
For example in the meeting between BB and McPhee both have papers laid out in front of them. We know they just had a player specific meeting. However the parts of the discussion that made the cuts had to do with generalities of the game and how adversity is a good teacher. There is no way BB goes to McPhee’s office and says how much he wanted that two-goal lead when the puck was so frustratingly swept away from the goal line. As my son would say—duh!
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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 27, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think there are a lot of things in that piece that tell me this person should not be trusted with a newspaper column
The name of his employer would be first on my list. Say what you will about Mike Wise, but I find it hysterical that someone writing for the Beaver County Times is making fun of a guy writing for The Washington Post.
Wise has his talents (his feature pieces are outstanding, really top-notch work), infrequently seen as they may be. Madden? yeeeeeeeeah, not so much.
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That’s funny. Good perspective. Beaver columnist talking smack about an established, longstanding Washington Post columnist. And tho’ I’m not a Wise fan I recognize that the guy does have an established national career.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 27, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Columnists complain. That’s their job. And a columnist ought to know that.
The Caps organization, from the owner to the manager to the coach to the players, has had nothing but praise for HBO’s work.
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I have no problem with a columnist expressing his opinion. That’s his job.
My question is why this guy is writing about the Capitals. Why does he feel a need to question the Capitals ability? It’s a massive non-sequitur, considering the Pens have lost three of five, the Steelers are heading to the playoffs, the Bucs are doing nothing, and Penn State needs to wake up and fire it’s coach. Lot’s of stuff going on there, yet he decides to write a midweek column about the Caps. Sounds like his simply sucking up to his fan base.
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Madden seems to be protesting just a bit much that the Caps don’t have the ability to beat the Pens in the playoffs this year. My, he seems a little obsessed with the Caps!
That’s why they play the games.
by Ray of Sunshine on Dec 27, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why they play the games.
Hit the nail right on the head, my friend. It’s laughable to think that we know what will happen – hell, the Pens had Jordan Staal last year and got knocked out in the second round. They had Orpik two years ago and Ovechkin was (if I’m remembering this right) one of our top scorers in that series.
Hell, the Caps are only 3 points back of the Pens and it took Pittsburgh a 12-game winning streak (coinciding with the Caps’ 8-game losing streak) to get there. Is the disparity between their talent levels really that big? Who knows? It’s regular season.
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you’re like a slightly more polite version than Bruce!
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Heh.
Did anybody else see the, “We bleeping love you, Bruce!” sign the other night?
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I think the Pens have the Caps on depth at center. Elsewhere…not so much.
by mechanicsville on Dec 27, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of teams have the Caps on depth at center, though – and frankly I think it’s an area GMGM will address at or before the deadline.
But yeah, I’m not sold on their defense or goaltending being better than ours. I think we have a better goaltending tandem overall (as much as I love Johnny, there’s a bigger dropoff between MAF to him than there is from Neuvy to Varly) and I think their defense is just slightly less skilled than ours.
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Every time an idiot counts the Caps out, it makes me feel a little better…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not clicking. Don’t want to reward them with page views. What publication was this from?
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Dec 27, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
It’s Mark Madden, folks. He’s the most intelligent, insightful, inspiring critic of hockey in this or any other lifetime. And if you doubt this, he’ll be glad to tell you… over and over. The Grand Canyon can’t hold his opinion of himself. Trouble is, he’s living in 2009. This ain’t that Penguins team. After 35 games it is rather evident that if Crosby doesn’t score, this team doesn’t have enough consistent offense to win consistently, and that places more pressure on Marc-Andre Fleury. And unless Sid can keep this up for another five months, these teams aren’t meeting in the playoffs. At the moment that is not a problem — Crosby has been held without a point in only four games — but the Pens a 1-2-1 in those games, and the win came against New Jersey.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 27, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
remarkable how no one is talking about this little fact, eh? Watching On The Fly last night, you’d never know the Pens lost, were absolutely outplayed by Ottawa. It was all “Crosby scores!” “Sid keeps his streak alive!” “Great job by Bylsma to double shift Crosby to spark some offense!” Um, the Penguins got smacked by the Senators. By a not so hot Senators team. Are we going to ever acknowledge (never mind actually discuss) the worrying lack of offense from Pittsburgh?
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By a not so hot Senators team.
Hell, these Senators are so bad, they just lost to a team that was on an 8-game losing streak!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ottawa will hold a special place in my heart for sacrificing for the good of my mental health. Thanks for letting the Capitals claw their way back into that game, sens! Delightful early Christmas present, much appreciated.
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RB – I thought the same thing.
On OTF they gave zero cred to the Sens, didn’t talk about Elliott, didn’t say the Pens have lost three of five. It was all about Sid scoring a garbage goal to keep the streak alive. Good for Sid, but the OTF focus is amazing.
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glad to know I’m not the only one! I would have turned it off, but I wanted to see what happened to Matty since I didn’t get home until the second period started, and I also wanted to catch highlights of Detroit-Minnesota.
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OTF is recorded in Toronto and populated by Canadians. I respect the hockey smarts of their panels, but some of them are definitely biased.
On the other hand, if we were counting an Ovechkin points streak, we’d probably look for the silver lining in a loss, too. But we’re fans; we don’t get paid for our chatter.
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I didn’t see much of that game – turned it on after the Caps – but I saw some Pens fans talking about Elliott, apparently he was unreal.
Of course they could just be doing that thing where you say “we couldn’t score on him…gee, he’s playing well!” (we’ve all done it :P) But if he was really good, sad that OtF can’t give him credit for that.
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Video of Letang’s hit on Spezza last night. Two minutes for boarding, but should it have been a no-call or five and a game? And I’m asking for an honest opinion, obviously aside from a Penguin being involved, I don’t care, I’m just curious.
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I don’t need to resee it to agree. Thought that last night.
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Agree with what? The actual call?
Wysh seems to be big on last night’s calls being in error, but I don’t agree with him. The video of Letang looks to me like textbook boarding, right on the numbers. And the player got hurt. But I’m far from perfect on the rulebook, that’s why I was asking.
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Sorry – agree with the fact that it should have been much worse. 5 minutes, ejection and fine/suspension.
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That’s 5 and a game, IMO.
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I didn’t think it was bad at all. Not much of a hit — Spezza just lost his edge. If Spezza’s feet are stable, the two of them slide into the boards together and it’s a play you see multiple times a night.
I’m OK with 2 minutes or not 2 minutes, but I wouldn’t give any more than that, and certainly no supplemental discipline. That just looked like bad luck to me. Shit happens.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Despite what I just wrote above, I thought Weekes made a fair point about on OTF. Kids are taught at an early age not to hit if they can see the numbers. That’s why all kids have stop signs between their shoulder blades.
Regardless of the edge, Letang hit Spezza square in the back. Sorry. Bad play.
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Fair enough, and why I’m OK with 2. But I didn’t see it as any worse than that.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
All I ask for is consistency.
If they are going to call Ovechkin on Campbell 5 and a game, then Letang on Spezza should also be 5 and a game.
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There is subjectivity in the NHL. In youth hockey of course, there is not. A hit in the back is a two + 10. It’s automatic, no discretion. If you call hit from behind, that’s the penalty. The only exception is that it can be 5 _ game, as can any penalty, if there is an injury. Yes, in youth hockey it’s injury after the fact.
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File it under the same thing as Ovie/Campbell. It wasn’t malicious boarding, Spezza and Campbell lost an edge either from hit or just on their own and the hit propelled them awkwardly into the board far harder than them just falling on their own would have. Two or a five is appropriate.
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Yes, in which case Letang should get a two-game suspension out of the deal… but that isn’t how the Wheel of Justice works.
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Looks like a run of the mill boarding call to me. Letang looked like he game him a shove. not very violent. Just unfortunate that there was an injury.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 27, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Updates:
Poti out tomorrow
Mackan’s maintenance for “recurring injury” (ed. – guessing hip flexor/groin)
Boyd Gordon has been out with an infection in his foot, which he must have had to drain at least once since he was getting the stitches (!) out.
All per Carrera tweets.
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ouch. I don’t know much about hip flexors, but if you have a groin injury right after you sat with a groin injury it’s high time you ride pine until it completely heals.
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Oy, Marty talk on NHL Live. And why Washington should or shouldn’t want him. From someone who should know better. (LaGreca; I just assume Fischler has no idea)
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Why the Caps shouldn’t want him – He has a better SV% than the following goalies this year: Mike Smith, Rick DiPietro. It’s a short list, Woodhouse.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 27, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is that he’d be overpriced.
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Given his play this year, and given that the Caps have Neuvirth and Varlamov, he’d be overpriced at league minimum
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 27, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
And God forbid the pundits consider that, right?
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Hey, it’s today’s Nooner. Better late than never, says I.
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Not Caps-related, but thought this was funny (per Tom Gulitti):
Patrik Elias and Travis Zajac spent night stuck on Route 280 in Elias’ car. They didn’t get home until 7:30 am after leaving Rock at 10:40.
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Not exactly funny for Elias and Zajac. Did NJ even have practice today, with all the problems the guys seemed to have getting home?
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They did, actually – sounded like it was a pretty rough skate, too, lasted about an hour and Lemaire was apparently yelling at them a lot.
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oh my god. I hope they had some emergency blankets. people die from getting stuck overnight in blizzards
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…I think I only find it funny because they’re all okay. Here, some quotes from Zajac and Elias to alleviate fears (and make me seem like less of a bitch for laughing :P):
"This wouldn’t have happened in Winnipeg," said Zajac, a Winnipeg native. "The entire state doesn’t shut down because of a little snow. We kind of got stuck a little bit. (Route) 280 got shut down and we were stuck in the middle of it when it happened. So, it was something where we couldn’t go anywhere and just slept in the car until 7."
Elias kept his car running and the heat on all night, so he and Zajac could stay warm. "I wasn’t very green last night," he said.
Zajac: "It was a long night. I had a pack of peanuts and it lasted me eight hours."
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Despite my kvetching I am still impressed by 24/7. Just finished watching episode two—again. We get the sacred mysteries in hockey angle. We got the fickle hockey gods mention with the swept away almost goal at the Anaheim game and the elusive intangible nature of momentum in hockey with the Ottawa game, and how with at 8:something in the second period the momentum just like that shifted back into the Caps favor. And the losing streak was no more.
The storyline may have been pared down for maximum impact but it does make for great television. And Sid already got his obsessive compulsive pre game ritual to keep the streak alive segment out of the way so we should be getting a much more positive spin on the Caps in the next episode. And hopefully a few more effins from the Pens. Although watching Byslma I think his effins are buried deep in his stomach as opposed to BB’s unfiltered version. They both have a scary kind of intensity about them even if it is demonstrated quite differently.
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The Habs are stranded on Long Island… I imagine they’ll be pretty grumpy tomorrow.
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hopefully grumpy to the point where they play a very sloppy game.
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So now the question is …. how to get the Habs out of LI. Will they try bussing them down here, like they did with the Pens last year?
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Doesn’t really say much that we didn’t know. Basically, they’ll wait on Saturday, move to Sunday out of desperation, and that’s it. Confirms that temperatures aren’t the issue, but rain is.
I just extended my hotel reservation another night. But I was always planning to spend a second night, because we’re flying in and out of Cleveland, leaving Sunday. Instead of staying Saturday night in Cleveland, we’re going to spend Saturday night in Pittsburgh. Hard for those of you driving to make a reservation for Saturday and not use it, because you may not know early enough to cancel and avoid the charges.
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Game could start as late as 8pm on Saturday night.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 27, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think I’d rather it played on Sunday afternoon. A night game outdoors could be brutal.
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If it’s a difference between WC or no WC, I’ll take Saturday night.
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Per the NHL, Jordin Tootoo voluntarily checks in to the NHLPA Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health program. There is no timetable for his return.
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wow, that’s unexpected. I hope he’s able to get the help he needs and get back to hockey.
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Its…stunning, for sure.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
what sort of impact is this going to have on Nashville? I haven’t been following closely, to I’m not sure how easily replaceable he is or how this will affect lines and Nashville’s gameplan.
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Honestly, although he’s easily the most popular player on the team (in the city), he’s not that crucial to actually playing the games. Still, he’s glue, and despite being a bit of a pest can really change the pace of a game. Ask Michael Frolik.
Its more demoralizing than anything, and is a curveball the team didn’t need right now.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Does his cap hit stay on the books, or does it work as a sort of LTIR?
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He’ll still be paid his full salary with all benefits, so…I have no idea.
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by Chris Burton on Dec 27, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I have to admit the first thing I thought was, I wonder how this will affect his teammates? We’ve seen trades throw a team for a loop, I can’t imagine how “You’re teammate is in rehab” would affect them.
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They most likely react the same way they would with a teammate recovering from a bad concussion.
Wish him well, check in from time to time, figure out your new lines and keep playing hockey.
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My guess would be more positively than negatively, particularly if/when he returns.
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