Wednesday Caps Clips: Devils Downed
by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 6:43 AM EST
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's win from us, Vogs, NHL.com (Masisak), WaPo (Carrera: blog, gamer), DCEX (McNally: blog, gamer), CSN Washington (Beninati), Caps365 video (Boudreau, players), Peerless, Frankovic, RMNB, OFB, KOL, SB Nation DC, Puckhead, Capitals News Network, StC, KG's District, ILWT, Caps In Pictures (pics), and clydeorama (pics).
- Matt Bradley will miss two-to-four weeks (and the Winter Classic) with a broken finger. [@VogsCaps]
- "With the Kiss" (note: must be said in Bill Raftery voice). [Caps365 (video), Puck Daddy, SB Nation DC, Capitals Outsider]
- From the "be careful what you wish for" file. [D.C. Sports Bog, PensBlog]
- Buy or sell: Alex Ovechkin is not the NHL's best Russian. [THN]
- Has Mathieu Perreault arrived? [Insider2]
- Scott Hannan is adjusting to life under the microscope. [NHL.com (Rosen), NHL.com (Masisak)]
- I said it Monday, but here's a much more thorough justification for why I said it. [Hockey Independent]
- Caps OT Episode 24 on Andrew Gordon and Jay Beagle getting their Christmas wishes answered. [CSN Washington (video)]
- Winter Classic-related coverage. [Puck Daddy, Puck the Media, Puck the Media,]
- Gary Bettman doesn't give a **** if Bruce Boudreau curses. In case you or anyone else cared. [NHL.com, FanHouse]
- AO's new CCM ads - even more bizarre than the last round. [Puck Daddy]
- Evaluating George McPhee's recent trade history. [Bangin Panger]
- Rookie watch. [TFP]
- A look at Caps prospects at the World Junior Championships. [FanPost]
- One of those prospects, Evgeny Kuznetsov, gets some national ink... [THN]
- ... and international ink. [Sport Express, hockeysverige (via Google Translate)]
- Profile of another, Patrick Wey. [USA Hockey]
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I love how those guys on Pensblog claim Caps fans are “obsessed” with the Pens, yet they’re the ones who seem to post a Capitals or Capitals-related item every single week.
Get over yourselves, jokes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 7:18 AM EST reply actions
They’re playing to an audience.
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I know they are, and I know the gimmick. Forced irony just bugs me is all.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
This makes everything better though
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 7:25 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That is terrifying.
On the other hand, I saw the Olli .gif where he is following the waffle. That is unreal. I was laughing so hard yesterday that I had to put my head down on my desk to hide my chuckling. My co-workers were like “what the hell is so funny.” I showed them, but they were not as amused as I was.
The one where Ruutu bowls over Phanuef with a waffle is great too.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Where can I find all these?
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Google Image search “waffle.” That’ll get you where you’re going.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, from that time he was attempting to throw down with Ruutu and fell comically on his ass.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
I never really noticed till just now that Ruutu yanks Dion’s legs out from under him with his stick.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I know PPP had a thread about it, but someone posted the waffle bowling thing the other day.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
For my money, nothing tops the one where he punches out Ovie and Crosby and gives that crazy look.
You had me at no problem.
Jokiturtle always wins for me.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/12/13/1873504/distract-jokinen-with-a-magic-waffle
work your way down to find Jokiturtle
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"
Arcticle from today's Toronto Star
The OatesStache: Tickling taints since 1975.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t make me angry. You won’t like what I do to your Flickr account when I’m angry.
/Canadian Hulk
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
My entry to Puck Daddy
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
by breaklance on Dec 22, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hmmmm stupid photoshack wanting to shrink picture
full sized here
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Pensblog = don’t click.
It does border a little on obsession on our end at times, though.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Not saying it doesn’t, but it goes both ways.
It is pretty dumb of me to get all upset about it though.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
It was cringeworthy to hear that late in the game. It’s nice to get a groove back but jeez, it’s wins over the Devils and Sens. #hopei’mwrong
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
I liked that it was organic, but yeah, I agree with you for the most part.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
This. I hope the universe doesn’t decide we all need a slapdown on thursday.
There's always more to learn about Hockey.
It goes both ways, for sure. Just like every other great sports rivalry.
This year, if you read the comments section after Caps games, you will see a lot of “Ovechkin no points tonight hahahaahha.”
Or, around here you see a lot of “Crosby scored again dammit.”
(Not trying to be a dick either….but that’s just how it’s been the past couple weeks on both sides)
But there has been a concerted effort around these parts ( and by these parts, I mean the Rink) to stop bringing up Crosby everytime we mention Ovechkin’s struggles. I used to be just as guilty, but I’ve moved past the need to check the scoreboard every day to see how Crosby’s doing. It’s all about how the team is faring and not so much the individual achievements because as we’ve seen, those really don’t mean much at the end of the day (or season).
by b.orr4 on Dec 22, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We do try, but it always seems to happen – at least it goes both ways, so I guess that’s something, right L_G? ;)
I honestly can’t wait for tomorrow, though. I think it’ll be a really good game.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
It definitely goes both ways.
I am pumped for tomorrow, too. I am heading North to go to the Steeler game tomorrow night, but I will be more interested in the result of this game.
A night game in pittsburg this time of year sounds really really unpleasant.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
I disagree,partially. It doesnt pay to check on Crosby,not because you are comparing him to Ovi,but because Ovi doesn’t belong in the same league this year.I am sick and tired of anyone comparing the two,this year.Or even looking for any type of comparison.Ovechkin has been horrible.The coaching has been horrible.Cmon people time to call a spade a spade.The Caps are not playing well even in 5-1 wins over bad teams,If your top line guys cant buy a goal,there is something very broken.
The Mantra has been try and learn to win the right way.Guess what it isn’t working.Green,horrible.Ovechkin,Horrible.Backstrom,bad.Semin,reverting.
The right way to win is to score more goals.We bring in Hannon,who sucks up the joint every damn night.Fleishmann on the other hand is on a tear.Whats going on you ask.Well its simple we arent putting our guys in the proper positions to succeed.
When you look at our roster compared to any roster in the league we should be barreling over everyone.Guess what, its not happening.We are so damn predictable in every aspect of our system that its sad to watch.Ovechkin can’t get a damn shot through because teams are all over him.Has ther been any sense of an adaptation in his game?NO.
Bruce has had him on the point all season until yesterday on the pp.Has it worked?NO. He need to be on the half wall doing what he used to do and thats score a ton of pp goals off one timers where he wont lose pucks and let other teams in on odd man short handed rushes,So what does Bruce do last night ?Sticks him in front of the netand without Semin on the half wall either
There are so many things on this team now that are broken and not just fingers.We can win the cup because of the talent ,but we just arent playing well.Hershey is outperfoming our regulars,I wonder why?
Ice Breakers>Goal Shakers....THE CAPS !!
And yet they’re in first place…
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought you just said the talent is playing like ass, though?
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
The talent on this team is 4 lines deep.Thus still in first.I still say we have played 4-5 60 minute games all season.
Ice Breakers>Goal Shakers....THE CAPS !!
And the Caps were in firstest place last season. So their position in the standings isn’t what is going to comfort me.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With the exception of the first period last night, I disagree that they’re playing terribly. I’ve personally been really pleased with their aggressiveness in fighting for the puck and the forechecking/backchecking. I think the offense has been playing a much better 2 way game and that they’re making improvements toward that “playoff hockey” everyone wants to see. That said, there’s no doubt that the top guys are struggling and Green is clearly playing through an injury – there were times in the last 2 games that he’s visibly had trouble putting weight on his right leg. Still, I think they’re adjusting and looking much better. Just my opinion, though.
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by RandomID on Dec 22, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At the game last night, when there was maybe 5 mins left in the third and it was clear we had the game, the section I was in started chanting “Crosby Sucks”. I half turned to the guys (though quite drunk, they were) and was like “WTF does Crosby have to do with this game???”
I don’t think they heard me though.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Equally important question: “WTF does Crosby suck at?”
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Hahah that’s kind of funny. Sort of like the Rangers fans who keep the “Potvin Sucks” chant alive. Don’t expect that from Caps fans, though.
I do love the “Crosby Sucks” chant. The Flyers’ fans do it non-stop. And look what Sid does to them.
The last game in Philly, it seemed to be not as pervasive as before.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Both of those questions were in my mind as well. At least when it shifted to “We want Pittsburgh” it made sense.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Yeah, I was more okay with that and even found that a little humorous.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Careful what we wish for?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Haha yeah, I was thinking “Why do you want Pittsburgh when the score right now in this game is 5-1? This is awesome!”
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Win or lose, I’m looking forward to seeing the team perform against the Penguins. There’s nothing to be careful about.
Why should the Cpas be worried? Sure, there was the losing streak, and even though the last two wins aren’t against the greatest teams, it’s all about confidence, which after last night, the team clearly has gotten back. And you can’t tell me that the young guys won’t be jacked up to play the Pens. The big players on the Caps always seem to step up their games against Pittsburgh, Ovechkin in particular, so this will not only be a good measuring stick, but also a great opportunity for some of the guys to turn it around.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 22, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, not worried or anything. But stuff like that always seems arrogant, especially if you lose. I doubt anyone would have been chanting that if the Caps were losing last night.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
He sucks at being a sucky player as well as growing a real mustache. Beyond that, probably not much.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s the absolute worst at being a terrible hockey player.
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Pretty strong insult there…sucking at growing a mustache…he must not be a real man, probably wears heels, and probably REALLY sucks at hockey.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
He couldn’t handle heels. Here’s the thing, if someone sucks at being a man (not saying Crosby does, btw), it doesn’t make him a woman. It makes him a terrible man.
Awful man =/= female
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by WordsOnIce on Dec 22, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs
I can’t walk in heels at all….haha…
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
He sucks at remembering the proper use of old-timey cliches?
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 22, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
cleaning up his peanut butter cup wrappers
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With lips like those? I think the question answers itself.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
If I rec this, promise not to tell anyone?
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Oy. Can’t wait for the circus on Thursday.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Funny. I think the folks on Japersrink have learned to respect the Penguins and speak (mostly) objectively about them and Crosby
Nice to see other fan sites have done the same (rolls eyes)
Regarding the fan chants late in the game...
First off, obviously if the HBO cameras aren’t there, it probably doesn’t happen, but here’s my take:
1. Crosby sucks. When this started, the girl who sits next to me asked, “are they saying ‘Marty sucks’ or ‘Crosby sucks’?”, I was like, “I think both…some people may be confused”. Frankly, I didn’t like this, for one because Crosby doesn’t suck, and two, because I don’t want to taunt Sidney Crosby…that never works. Never liked the negative chants.
2. We want Pittsburgh. I liked it. It was organic, it was a great cap to a great game, and it was relevant as Pittsburgh is the Caps next opponent and a game pretty much every fan circled on their calendar before the season started. I’m not a Redskins fan, but it reminded me of how RFK used to literally shake up and down as fans chanted “WE WANT DALLAS!”. Win or lose, the fans and players both want this game…I see nothing wrong here.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 22, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spIuA1GgfDE
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 22, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I was agin’ it before I read this. Now I think it was good. Nicely put.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Good point about the “we want Pittsburgh” chant. They are without question my favorite match ups. it was a chant that came out of a collective sense that our team had returned.
Agree on disliking the negative chants.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
After a unexpectedly long string of uncharacteristically bad games, I think it was nice for the fans to tell the players they still believe, and that come Thursday, the VC has their backs.
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Very true. I know I was happy for the first time this month. I was just relieved after their first win. But last night I saw confidence and chemistry, and I felt like Thursday could be a good game.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, it’ll be alright man. Instead of ever going there again just read this post. I stopped readying them a long time ago but their articles\comments are so predictable when it comes to the Caps that it’s silly.
I’m guessing they posted a 2 sentence blurb talking about how Bruce and Caps fans are obsessed and are “jokes.” This was most likely proceeded or followed by a picture of Verizon or video of the game where you can hear of the chants.
The comments section is this usually filled with 500 people saying that they hate the Capitals (even though they aren’t obsessed with them…oh no…it’s just good ol’ fashioned hate), that Ovechkin is a douche, another good 25% of the people usually would just say fuck the Caps and Ovi they all suck and look at all our team hardware.
There used to be one or two people that would say, “can we just discuss the Pens instead of the caps?” They would always get piled on and told that they were jokes so maybe that doesn’t happened anymore.
Here’s a sampler of what they’ll post on Thursday night.
If the Caps win Thursday they’ll say that it’s OK. The Pens are focused on the Winter Classic and that the game at Verizon was meaningless. Big deal and anyone who cares is a jobber and should go sleep with big gay al.
If the Pens win Thursday they’ll talk about how the Caps suck now that they’ve finally faced a real team and they’ll get destroyed at the Classic too.
If either of the above happens there will be lots of images of people photoshopped pooing on verizon center and peoples faces.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Can't get enough
(h/t STLSpidey)
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by EmilyB on Dec 22, 2010 7:55 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
here we go
I need to find a better angle on youtube.
by Brainumbc on Dec 22, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, he really does just faceplant.
John Carlson - Glory follows him.
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And he sort of jiggled when he hit the ground
Looks like someone just shot him in the back of the head, he fell, and started twitching
Or maybe he embelished to try to get an interference call
Where did the puck get past Brodeur? I had trouble seeing that in any angle. Was at low glove side?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Ouch, baby. No wonder he went down like a marionette with cut cords.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I found a better angle
Of marty’s attempt to stop that goal
by Brainumbc on Dec 22, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
This is why we definitely need to trade Neuvirth and Carlson to NJ, so we can win a Cup with Marty.
by b.orr4 on Dec 22, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that Tim Thomas in goal?
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I feel this needs to be waffled.
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by apk3000 on Dec 22, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol I can just hear him now…DOH!
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Dec 22, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Bruce,
Marcus Johansson and Andrew Gordon had instant chemistry. It wasn’t just the goal — they had a couple of other great chances, and they always seemed to know where the other one was.
Please play them together some more,
Thank you kindly,
Gouldie
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
So where does F16 go when he returns?
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With 16 up, I’d do:
8-19-16
28-85-63/21
21/63-90-22
25-39/15/26-10
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
With 16 up I’d take out 22. If he’s not in the Top Six, he shouldn’t be in the lineup, because he’s not a bottom six guy, and Fehr brings more to the table at this point.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t take Knuble out after he produced. I’d keep him in to see if he is finding his groove.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
I’d keep Knuble on line two with Matty P. They you’ve got a skill shooter, playmaker, and net-crasher on both top lines:
8-19-16
28-85-22
21-90-63
25-39/26-83
I know Brads and BGordo will be out for a while. Did BB or anyone say what the story is with Hendricks?
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by bagace on Dec 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the balance on those lines.
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by bigonetimer on Dec 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
That third line is bad. ass.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
i like this.
Warning: I started watching hockey in 2007. So, yeah. Heh.
by Laich Button on Dec 22, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t play Laich on the right or A. Gordon on the left. Those two strike me as wings for whom its particularly important to play on their natural sides.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, to both of you. I wouldn’t mind Knuble scratched, honestly. He’s got to be done with us after this year and Fehr needs all the practice he can get with that twosome. I think it’s important that A. Gordon gets either Mackan or MP, though: no 4th line duty for him.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I’d hesitate to scratch Knuble. This team has a dearth of veteran leaders to begin with – I’m not sure putting a calming influence in street clothes is the best course of action.
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history also seems to indicate that Knuble takes a lot of games to really get going. I don’t want to set that back.
This team needs Mike Knuble come the playoffs, and I hope he’ll be ready.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know the locker room, so I can’t argue that, but I think he’s more detrimental to the top 2 lines than he is helpful, these days. If I played him at all, I’d play him in a checking line role and limit his minutes.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree with that. I think he’s the same guy he was last year, and it’s 8 and 19 that aren’t what they were.
Knuble’s a passenger (not necessarily in a bad way, as it’s often used) – he needs to play with good players to produce. He’s never going to be the engine that drives a line.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And if you ask Pittsburgh fans, he’s the ultimate Penguin killer.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 22, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
To produce, no doubt, but that’s not all it is. He’s even slower this year, so you’re still having to rely on AO and Backs to carry the puck in and get plays setup because he can’t do it himself, and that makes the line as a whole easier when you’ve got predictable ol’ AO doin’ his thing and you’ve got Backs who seems like he might be fighting through a wrist/hand injury himself given his inferior puck control/passing lately. It’s already an injured line and Knuble does nothing to improve it. I think Fehr, when he’s skating hard, does.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we’d be noticing a significant dropoff in Knuble’s play over last year if we had 8 and 19 playing like they did a season ago. I could be wrong. And I do agree that 16 could be the future there, if he commits to going to the net.
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Last night’s goal was vintage 22. I think he’s OK.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
With 8 and 19 nowhere to be found :-).
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
8 and 19 are failing because the system is failing .If 8 is being marked as he is 19 can’t get him the puck.8 isn’t doing enough to create good scoring chances and he is also hurting us with turnovers and poor desisions.Bears are outperforming Caps and that is a problem that goes to coaching.
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AO’s poor decision making and apparent lack of creativity is BB’s fault? The Bears are playing the exact same system.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
100% BBs fault.You gotta find a way to help make your best player,better.Praising him all day long while he continues to struggle and putting him in terrible situations ie. the point on the pp.All on BB.I always loved BB but now i see its been the players carrying the coach and not the other way around.All BB has is praise,praise praise for # 8.Its getting tired after 2 goals in 18 games to listen to.
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Yes, because negative reinforcement is the way to increase “unproductive” results.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
C’mon! going out after losses to you post game presser and just spraying the mic with praise for Ovechkin after he turned over the puck on the PP 3 times in a game.leading to odd man rushes.Thats going to help??We need a coach not a motivational speaker from the van down by the river!!
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Again, how is negative reinforcement going to help anyone? It’s just going to hurt his confidence more, which doesn’t help anyone.
Positive reinforcement is not the same as coddling, as you seem to believe.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Bottom line is our 10 million dollar player is playing 5 million dollar hockey. I am not worried about hurting his psyche,i’m sure its hurting him plenty without my thoughts.But BB needs to figure out ways to use him better to get him out of it,and he hasn’t done it.
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You do realize that what he says to the media may not be what he’s saying to Ovie, right?
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I can’t speak to HBO or to what’s on the proverbial cutting room floor, but BB absolutely has private discussions with Ovi on how he should improve his game and other matters.
They were photographed sitting in the ’Canes arena having a close and private discussion—this was just after Kovalchucklegate—and that was the game that BB moved Ovi to the right wing.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
putting him in terrible situations ie. the point on the pp.All on BB.
Perhaps, but he even spoke to the fact that it wasn’t working and moved Ovie to play in front of the net last night. It didn’t work, but at least he realizes something #8 needs something to snap him out of his funk.
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So he moved him from one bad spot to another.He need to be at the left half wall.We all know that.It worked wonders in the past and it should again.And to top off the thought ,if your going to plant him in front at least have Semin on the half wall.Someone with a wicked shot who can one time pucks quick enough.
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So there it is. Had a sneaking suspicion wherein your allegiences lay.
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And berating him constantly isn’t going to make that happen any faster.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
what is he a 2 year old? He isn’t playing well.He needs to hear about it.Thsi isn’t kindergarten.
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Exactly. It’s not kindergarten.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’ve made your point.
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what is he a 2 year old? He isn’t playing well.He needs to hear about it.Thsi isn’t kindergarten.
And what will that achieve? Ovechkin knows he’s not playing well, knows he should be contributing a lot more, and knows the team relies on him for offense.
by David Getz on Dec 22, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And we don’t know anything about what’s being said behind closed doors. Not sure how much Bruce airing his guy out to the media accomplishes.
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He is,and with Ovechkin in front of the net last night I didnt see Semin on the ice.I would be ok with Ovi in front on the PP if Semin was on the left wall and Backy on the right,
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Semin was a disaster every time he stepped on the ice last night, with the exception of one nice pass.
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On the “Sasha Is Your Crazy Ex-Girlfriend Scale”, last night he was Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yep. And it was one turnover/penalty away from a Lorena Bobbit.
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But I thought he turned over a new leaf?
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think the solution is pretty clear, no? Backstrom, Semin, Ovechkin, and Green are all great passers. I think they all need to play on the half wall. At the same time.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I actually kinda like AO in front of the net. Let the Brendan Shannahan transformation begin!
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So did Shanny turn into a Knuble-type in his later years? How would AO’s progression be similar?
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Shanny used to score a ton from farther out with a great shot but as he aged he became more of a crash the net type guy and scored much more in close to the net. He had great size and hands and was very rugged so he just adjusted his game to use those skills as his skating started to wane.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Versus showed a short clip of BB talking about AO last night and saying that he’s struggling and BB is keeping things positive and encouraging him, while also pointing out his mistakes and where he needs to improve. Why are you saying that all BB does is praise him?
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And in the Ottawa game, it was Knuble that first crossed over the blue line on an angle to get to the puck, take it down low, and pass over to BL, setting up Matty P’s first goal. He may not have Chimmer or Mackan’s speed, but his hockey sense is still there. Also, I’ve seen him chatting with Matty on the bench quite a bit. Good veteran influence on a kid that probably needs it.
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by bagace on Dec 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That, I think, is sort of the point. Right now, with Ovie and Backstrom struggling, there is no engine on the top line. If Knuble’s success if dependent on 8 and 19’s success, and they’re not having much themselves, it doesn’t make alot of sense to keep him up there when there are other guys in the lineup who might provide more a spark for that line.
8-19-22
21-90-28
25-85-16
26-15-63
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by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Marc Bolan?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Yes, it’s from C&H
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 22, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
God i loved that comic. favorite quote from calvin
“Trying to enjoy a sunday is like trying to enjoy your last meal before the execution”
Then there’s the one where Calvin goes on a rant about how his toaster messed up his toast and his dad chimes in with
“Yet somehow…. life goes on”
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And, of course, this classic:
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 16 recs
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The OatesStache: Tickling taints since 1975.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Calvin and Hobbes is the only comic strip that defines me childhood.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 22, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
For me it was The Far Side and Bloom County then C&H as I went to college.
There's always more to learn about Hockey.
I memorized a disgusting amount of “Garfield” books as a child… but C&H and Far Side were right there, too.
You had me at no problem.
Won’t you take me down to OT town?
Seriously, though, I’m going to make a comic strip post in OT.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 22, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
This is the greatest find ever and I love C&H. JP you are a god.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Dec 22, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Tyrannosaurus Rec’d
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 22, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not military historian, but I suspect the F-14 was superfluous and incapable of performing up to the standard set by newer models.
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by Rob Parker on Dec 22, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Really more a question of reaching the the end of its service life and becoming more and more expensive to maintain.
The ice will show everything.
Yikes. That thing ran from December 1970 to September 2006.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Just like a fighter jet...
F&B’s joke soared right over your heads.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 22, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, are you talking jets or Tomas Fleischmann?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Haha I see what you did there. Nicely done.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Now that you say that, it does look more like a Tomcat from there – swept wings. God I miss that bird.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
Few things more badass than seeing footage of a Tomcat firing a Phoenix [sigh, missing the Cold War again].
The ice will show everything.
The operational range of those two systems combined. . . Jeebus the F/A-18 is such a dog.
(Of course, the outer air battle was a bit of a joke. There was no way we could get all the archers, and if one nuke-tipped ASCM got through, it was sayonara CSG.)
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
The OVM was amazing, but the J25-XR was a piece of crap. And don’t even get me started on the HWV.
See, I can make up acronyms too.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good to know there are a few more of us out there. Cluster’s also former USAF – Strike Eagle WSO.
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I’ve been a broken record on this one.
With Gordon up, the top three lines have three natural right wings: Knuble, Fehr and Gordon. There are three natural left wings: Ovechkin, Semin and Laich. Sounds like a pretty good top-six of wingers to me, no matter what combination you put them in.
(And for the Chimera boosters — is he better than any of those six players? Wouldn’t he be just about the best fourth line LW in the league? Chimera – Boyd Gordon – Hendricks — that sounds like a playoff checking line to me.)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t realize how good of a skater A. Gordon is until I saw him up here, either. It’s really difficult to tell when watching the Bears play.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Chimera isn’t better than those LW, but I like the speed of the forwards when he’s out there with MarJo. Maybe bump Brooks to the “4th line” because he has the ability to play a grind it out style. Maybe this:
8-19-16
28-85-22
25-90-63
21-39-83
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 22, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Fourth line for Brooks Laich? Un…Laich-ly
YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I like the zing, but where do you put him? Do you break up that 25-90-63 line even though they may have been the Caps best line last night?
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 22, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. I guess I’d go:
8-19-22
28-85-16
21-90-63
25-15-26
“Things I Hate” include playing 21 and 22 on the same line.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yup on all of that, and it leaves the team free to double-shift Semin on the first line’s right side every once in a while.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
"Things I Hate" include playing 21 and 22 on the same line.
What about on the same PP unit?
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 22, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
“And coming out for the Caps’ power play, it’s Brooks Laich centering Mike Knuble and Eric Fehr. At point, that’s Tom Poti, who of course was brought to DC to play point on the power play. And at the other point is that, could it be, yes it is power play specialist Mikhail Tatarinov!”
And then JP wakes up in a cold sweat.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
But not before seeing the Volchinator with his leg over the board, waiting expectantly.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Followed by Joe Corvo.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
No…it leaves the Caps with no passing option down low, just a lot of passing around on top with 21 and 22 alternating sides on trying to screen the goalie. There might not be a shot taken on a whole power play with those two on the ice at the same time, or if they are, they will be from up top, blocked before they can get to 21 or 22.
If you've read this far...seek help.
No Bradley love this morning. Is that only because he’s hurt right now?
You’ve got 15 in there, but he’s hurt. Is 10 the odd man out at this point?
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Yep. He’s had his special teams play scaled back this year and his ES play is average. Best to cut the cord.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I ain’t ready to count Matt Bradley out yet. He’s 32. I agree he hasn’t been great so far this season, but it’s early yet and he’s been pretty good in playoffs past.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think BB is considering these lines
8-19-(Rock/Paper/Scissors)
(who got me the best xmas gift)-85/90-(Coin Flip)
(Eenie-Menie-Miney-Mo)-90/85-(Dart toss)
(who’s healthy)-(who’s the first guy i see this morning)-(who’s holding up their sack)
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 15 recs
No 26, no 10, no 15.
Boy, I like how 26 is playing.
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And for the Chimera boosters — is he better than any of those six players?
I think the jury is still very much out on young Mr. Gordon.
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Sorry – yeah, I meant assuming Gordon’s in the lineup, since that was the original question. I’m a huge Andrew Gordon booster, but I ain’t ready to hand him a spot on the 3rd line in the playoffs just yet.
I would certainly love to see more of him now, though.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
As an admitted A. Gordon fan, I’m ever so slightly worried about him exceeding his 9 games/30 days here. I can’t see any way that he’s here for the rest of the season, barring even more long term injuries (hush!), and while the chances are always remote, I’d rather see him play out the season in Hershey and hopefully play in DC next year than lose him to someone else.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Hasn’t been that long yet… But certainly, a decision will have to be made. Perhaps management would sooner risk Sloan to waiver wires than 63.
You had me at no problem.
With Bradley out for 2 – 4 weeks, one of the Hershey guys is here until then in all likelihood. There’s a spot for MP85 with Schultz on IR already, and even he’ll probably have to go eventually. I think Beagle doesn’t have to go through waivers, so if it’s a pick ‘em situation, I figure he’s the one who stays.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Bad break for Brads, that may be what starts the decision to not pick his deal up.
/baseless speculation
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve been thinking he’s not back next year anyway. Hendricks does the same thing and more for less money and is a bit younger. And you’ve got younger guys in Hershey (i.e. Beagle, who’s already signed) that can do the job.
Which makes me sad, but as they say, it’s a business.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Do we know for sure that the Andrew Gordon recall (and the Beagle one) isn’t categorized as an emergency recall given there are no extra forward scratches at this time?
Not saying it is an emergency recall, just revisiting what we know about the details?
Speaking of details…Regarding Jay Beagle and waivers this season:
- NHL Games Played to Date (regular season and playoffs) pre-’10-11 season: 14GP
- NHL GP in the ’10-11 season: 4GP
Total career NHL GP: 18
This season (2010-11) is season/year 3 since signing his ELC (He played his first pro season, 2007-08, on an AHL contract.) (Pro seasons: 2007-08 AHL) then ELC: 2008-09 & 2009-10.)
Jay Beagle: Birthdate: 1985-10-16
ELC announced Mar 26, 2008 for the 2008-2009 season
Waiver Table: 13.1 for skaters
Age 22yo Years from signing in NHL 3; games played 70
Age 23yo Years from signing in NHL 3; games played 60
He is one of those guys where his birthdate confuses things a bit in terms of the games played threshold, but my understanding is that he is considered 23yo for these purposes and therefore the GP# threshold is 60 NHL GP.
So if he played a considerable amount of NHL games this season, he could lose his waiver exempt status, but it looks unlikely he’d hit those numbers and if he did, it would be because he was playing well (and or serious injury to someone or trade) and it would be later in the season.
Also, there’s an issue with Beagle related to next season and re-entry waivers depending on how many pro games he plays this season and games on the NHL roster this season, which could impact his situation.
Always appreciate your analysis. I wasn’t sure why Beagle was exempt, just that I remembered it said at the beginning of the season.
And obviously the answer to your question is we have no idea.
"It's always good to have vikings."
You are welcome, most of that was already typed up, just had to update/modify.
I think there’s a chance they are up on emergency recall right now. I believe the recall for the NYR game was a regular recall given IIRC there was a forward scratched for that game who was available.
Now to Andrew Gordon and the 30 days on the NHL roster/10 NHL GP clock:
- 5 NHL GP
- Days on the NHL roster, by my count today is day #10.
These numbers assume no days/GP were under emergency recall; if any GP/days were on emergency recall, they wouldn’t count for these purposes.
AHL transaction log for Andrew Gordon:
12/15/2010 Recalled from loan by Washington (NHL)
12/13/2010 Returned on loan from Washington (NHL)
12/12/2010 Recalled from loan by Washington (NHL)
Just curious, where do you find that AHL transaction log, and does it account for paper transactions?
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 22, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
On the AHL site.
Typically, the log plays catch-up so it’s not always accurate day to day and from time to time a transaction doesn’t appear, but yes, paper transactions do appear eventually in most cases.
Thanks, sk8. That’s a good resource to have. I normally look at the transactions section on a player’s SBN profile, but I have my doubts as to it’s accuracy. It has burned me before when trying to calculate days spent on the NHL roster.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 22, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Chimera’s better than A. Gordon by a ways. Sorry Gouldie.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
True for now, no doubt. I was taking Gordon in the lineup as a given, since that’s what we were talking about
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I don’t know if you saw my long comment from Monday, but did you notice all the chip and chase they played last night with the 25-90-63 line out there? Two goals from it.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
Lots of pressure outside of the scoring as well. Chimera is such a compliment to any line but you throw him out there with a guy who is nearly as quick and another guy who is fighting for a place in the NHL you’re going to have good things happen.
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My lines, with current injuries, would be 8-19-28, 21-85-22, 16-90-63, 25-39-26. I’m assuming Hendricks is back (put Beagle in his place if not) and I’m not placing wingers according to their position, because I can never remember who is left and who is right. Also, I could see switching 28 with 21 or 22.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
Fehr and Gordon play the same position (RW), so I wouldn’t put them together. Laich and Knuble play the same style, and I don’t think they’re great without a playmaker, so I wouldn’t put them together.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Laich and Knuble have been fairly productive with MP so far. I would prefer to see one of them on the 1st and the other on the 2nd with 28-85.
I actually wasn’t aware that Fehr and Gordon played the same wing. Probably should have been, thinking back on it – they both play opposite Chimera. In that case, switch Gordon and Chimera.
My new preference: 8-19-22, 28-85-21, 16-90-25, 63-39-26.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
Oh, sweet mystery of life, at last I've found theeeeeeeee...
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Rec’d for “Naughty Marietta” references. :-)
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I made it, but whatevs.
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Oh, woe is me!
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Yea, but not today, sheesh. I demand my internet credit!!1
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Pleasure and pain, though directly opposite are contrived to be constant companions.
Are you sure you didn’t both make one? I’m pretty sure Spidey said he made the one Em swiped…it wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of you saw that moment and thought “GIF!!”
Whoever made it, bless you all for doing them time and time again – I keep watching these on an endless loop and they make me happy :)
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Haha never mind, just checked. It’s like, the exact same as the one I made too O.O weird.
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Gary Bettman doesn’t give a **** if Bruce Boudreau curses.
Hoot?
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
No, silly, “darn.” I just couldn’t bring myself to cuss like that in the post.
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Language!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, Gary and Bruce are Pallies.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
The USA WJC team is set to be announced exclusively on Facebook, for those interested, at 9:10 AM EST. While you wait, read this.
Hoping for Wey, but he’s a longshot, it seems.
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I’m hoping for whoever constitutes the best team, honestly, regardless of whether Austin Watson makes it. I love international hockey.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
He will bring the Caps organization down from the inside. I am planning on him making the squad in the future.
Hey, he may be from Pittsburgh, but he’s ours now. Just like all our beat reporters.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I thought he was born in Massachusetts?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Which was last night’s interactive question. And supposedly only 36% of the crowd got it right. I really don’t trust that thing. More often than not the crowd gets it wrong.
"It's always good to have vikings."
To be exact, the question was of Chimera, Poti and Carlson, who played in the USHL?
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn’t the question. The question was, of Steckel Poti and Carlson, which one played on the New Jersey Rockets (which is not a USHL team). They at least got three Americans in the question to make it more difficult. I thought everyone knew that Carlson was from NJ.
Steckel, that’s it. God bless vodka tonics for (almost) forgetting that clusterfrak.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
They had a vendor in the area behind section 121 yesterday selling Red Russian’s for $9. First time I saw that.
Yeah, I went to get one between the first and second but couldn’t find the guy anymore!
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
One guy stayed almost constantly near 102.
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I must be blind. haha I was sitting in 105 shoulda seen him.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I sit on the aisle and saw him enter the 102/103 aisle something like every third stoppage. and during intermissions he was parked across from the men’s room.
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Isn’t that Papa Ovie’s section?
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Yeah, came down in my area too. Basically a Cape Cod with a markup, but good on management for being clever about it.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yay, Wey!
The 2011 U.S. National Junior Team:
Goaltenders – Jack Campbell, Andy Iles
Defensemen – Brian Dumoulin, Justin Faulk, Derek Forbort, Nick Leddy, Jon Merrill, John Ramage, Patrick Wey
Forwards – Nick Bjugstad, Ryan Bourque, Chris Brown, Mitch Callahan, Charlie Coyle, Jerry D’Amigo, Emerson Etem, Chris Kreider, Jeremy Morin, Brock Nelson, Kyle Palmieri, Drew Shore, Jason Zucker
John Carlson - Glory follows him.
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Wey to go
Newest punny Rink handle?
"Ovechkin has been playing more like Boy George than DMX." - Drunk Guy
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 22, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
No doubt a future handle. Also would accept “My Wey or the Highway.”
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That’s the Wey (uh huh, uh huh)…I Laich it.
/hides
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eating Curds and Wey
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 22, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I want it thata wey?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Where there’s a will there’s a Wey.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
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Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
No Jarred Tinordi?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Tinordi was not invited to the December camp, which was no surprise. He needs development time. The WJCs is about selecting the best team now, not in the future, and there was a lot of depth on D for Team USA during this selection process.
Is it too early for him? Or is he just not good enough?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
He’s regressed a bit in Londontown.
You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!
/cough/bust/cough/
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
http://ohlprospects.blogspot.com/2010/12/sunday-top-10-step-up-ohl-version.html
From a couple weeks ago, hevn’t really been keeping up with Knightsnews.
You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!
I haven’t seen any London Knights games this season so all I am going on right now is what I’ve read and heard. However, I am not surprised by what I am typing here.
This is a transition year for Tinordi and for the Knights. Given Tinordi’s build and playing D, etc., it is not a surprise that he needs time to develop. He has struggled at times in his first season in the OHL, but he was drafted based on projections, not only about his current play. After some solid contending teams for a few years, this is a rebuild year for the London Knights.
I heard they had questions about his skating. The two most hyped BCCD from the most recent draft both didn’t even get camp invites.
Hey, at least the Rags don’t have to feel shitty about passing on Fowler. He didn’t make Team USA either.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
by Rob Parker on Dec 22, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For some reason I have this running through my head…
“Oh Mama don’t you cry!
USA Hockey is do or die!
Take a hockey stick in my hand!
Go on off to a foreign land!
Blais said I’d be a star!
USA Hockey will go very far!
Take the Gatorade in your glass!
We just kicked your F**KING ASS!”
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the looks of that roster, but not enough to call it a favorite.
Key players this year: Kreider, Morin, Forbort, Leddy.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Canada. Of course.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Yeah, I guess, and I’d rather USA not be the favorites, but its a pretty wide open tournament.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Canada is less imposing up front than years past but their D is pretty incredible again and they still have so much depth. USA is going to have to have huge tournaments from their top 6 Fs if they are going to win. Or Jack Campbell needs to go crazy and shut it down, but I don’t think that’s likely.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
The best hope that the US has is the fact that it’s a short tourney, and that Canada is in the group of death.
In short tourneys, goaltending, two good lines and two good pairs of D can carry you a long way.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
You mean like we got carried by two good lines and two good D pairs (really two great Dmen) last year? I just don’t think goaltending is likely to decide this tournament. It’s rare for goalies to go out there and just lock shit down at this level. Last year all four goalies played in the gold medal game. I suspect the skaters are going to decide this one. Again.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
It’s rare for goalies to go out there and just lock shit down at this level.
Al Montoya in 2004.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
That’s sort of the point. You have to go all the way back to ‘04 and even then Montoya wasn’t really unbeatable. He definitely dominated the weak sisters, but he let up 3 to each Canada and Sweden. Good, but we aren’t going to see a goalie keep the offensive powers to 0 or 1 in all likelihood. That’s all I’m saying.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I don’t think goaltending matters as much for teams like Russia and Canada, but I think the USA is screwed if Campbell doesn’t at least play very well.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
Even after last year? Neither goalie was all that awesome last year, but Canada’s ended up being a bit worse. Obviously flat out bad goaltending is going to sink any of the teams, I just doubt we look back on this tournament and talk about a goalie stealing it or anything like that. Of course, now it’ll have to happen that way.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Jack Campbell’s pretty good. Not great, but good enough to shut it down at this level, I think.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
How much better has he gotten from last year?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Don’t know, haven’t seen him, but while there were some rough times last year I think he’s capable.
The best goalie in the tournament might actually be Caps property.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Might be, but his team still won’t do much. I’d love to see him lock it down again but he won’t have a great record.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I have some interest in team Germany due to a NSH prospect, so I’ll be keeping an eye. You’re right though, they’re not going to do that well even if PG shuts things down.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
He spent the spring playing in international hockey tournaments and has been with the Windsor Spitfires (OHL) this fall. He’s their no. 1 goalie but has actually been outplayed pretty badly by an overage guy.
I didn’t know any of that. What I do know is that he was still a highly touted prospect last winter and he wasn’t all that great.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Pulled from that post:
Cam Fowler had been the supposed lock at the third pick until the past few months, when questions about his ceiling and overall potential began to surface and he was quickly overshadowed by the emergence of Erik Gudbranson. Fowler is a special player, but as with 95% of the draft there’s no guarantee that he will be great at the next level. The same with Gormley, a player who is good at many things but not great; he’s just a solid all-around player.
Neither of those two were going to be in the NHL next season, and likely not for a few years. With Fowler’s overall potential in question, the word I kept getting was that he may end up just being a great AHL player — of course, he could realize his full potential and talent and be a great defenseman for the Ducks in four or five years. That’s the risk you take.
Fowler definitely ended up being a bust and playing in the A. And couldn’t make the NHL this year.
(Caveat: yes he may fall off a cliff and never be good again, but from watching him play. I HIGHLY doubt that.)
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 22, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hilarious. I love the rationalization that has gone on from the teams that passed him. At least some teams (ugh, CAR) actually found a good player, but lots of teams will regret that.
And yeah, Fowler may hit a rookie wall, but he’s shown he can play in the NHL. And it won’t take several years.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
The biggest issue for people that talented, I think, is confidence and consistency. He’s been pretty consistent (from what I’ve seen) through the first half of the season, though I expect he’ll slow down as the season wears on.
And he’s never shown a lack of confidence, while not trying anything that’s over his head. He’s got the qualities that every great NHL player needs.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 22, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
The funny thing is, Campbell’s much more of a risk than Fowler or Gormley.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I really think our forwards can dominate the tournament. Sure, Canada has Ryan Ellis, Gudbranson, etc., but they don’t (to my knowledge) have anyone with NHL experience, or as balanced a group of guys as we do.
Bottom line, they’re probably the favorites just because of the leaf on the sweater, but I like our chances. Wish we had better D this year.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
the team:
Goaltenders – Jack Campbell, Andy Iles
Defensemen – Brian Dumoulin, Justin Faulk, Derek Forbort, Nick Leddy, Jon Merrill, John Ramage, Patrick Wey
Forwards - Nick Bjugstad, Ryan Bourque, Chris Brown, Mitch Callahan, Charlie Coyle, Jerry D’Amigo, Emerson Etem, Chris Kreider, Jeremy Morin, Brock Nelson, Kyle Palmieri, Drew Shore, Jason Zucker
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
wooo, just saw Wey made the team – congrats to him and the entire USA team!
updating the fanpost now :)
I’ve been impressed with Wey when I have seen him and I was hoping he’d make it, but I really thought the scratch last night made him a longshot. Glad I was wrong.
What’s Wey’s playing style?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Wey is a puck-moving defenseman whose game is predicated on getting up the ice and distributing the puck to make plays. He has the ideal height and speed to play at the pro level but is a work in progress in terms of developing his game to compete at the next level. Wey was much-improved after spending a year at Boston College despite missing time to nagging injuries and did well at the USA evaluation camp. Wey is still fairly early in the development process and should benefit from the extra time to train and hone his skills while developing his tactical game at the college level.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
So, channeling Boudreau, he’s a get-the-puck-up-the-ice’er
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’d also add that BC is one of the best coached teams in all of NCAA and you know that at the end of his time there two things will be certain. One, he’ll be able to skate. Two, he’ll be able to think the game. Whether he has the other requisite skills we don’t know, but he won’t fail because of his head or feet.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
By my count, three of those players have spent time in the NHL this year – not bad.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Some of you may not be aware, but SB Nation has a blog dedicated to international hockey, and he’s covering the WJCs in depth.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Lambert’s non-NHL hockey coverage is great. He does great NCAA tourney work, too. Too bad his contributions to PD are 99% crap.
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Is Mitch Callahan related to Ryan Callahan?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I hope Mitch can PK like his hair’s on fire.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I am thinking Semin was gonna be HS’d until Fehr had his misfortune. At least I hope he was, maybe for the Flu, or Sprained MCL, or Lobotomy….something that can explain why he looked so terrible last night.
Ovi didnt look much better either, although the drop pass was nasty, he just doesnt have OverDrive anymore, or he is scared to bring it. Although I did notice our wings were playing WAY deep in the D-zone, much to what D’oh pointed out the other day in his awesome post.
Just saw the replay on NHL on the Fly. Yes it was a poke check but Ovi kept the defender’s attention circling around him and screening Brodeur just long enough for Carlson to get his shot off. He knew that Carlson was right behind him. He left that puck sitting on the ice— a perfect fat and juicy tee-up up for Carly. it was pretty and looked to be an intentional improvisation after the initial poke.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I kind of tat maybe thats what it looked like but from 402 row K it looked like a drop pass, I wanted to believe it was a drop pass cause that would have been sweet. Plus I was rocking my new RAHJC WC Sweater and was stoked he buried it….but i havent had a chance to hit the DVR yet, so I totally believe it to be true.
Semin wouldn’t have been healthy scratched since he wasn’t exactly healthy. But I assumed the main reason he played is due to the absences of both Fehr and Hendrick. I didn’t find out what was wrong with Hendricks but he couldn’t play last night. Hence, Semin played. The only other option would have been DJ King. Given that King didn’t even warm up, Semin was playing no matter what after warmups.
On Monday, Semin was assumed to be “doubtful” for yesterday’s game and then upgraded to Questionable due to his lower body injury. So, he was certainly in less than optimum shape (which has been the case all month.) Someone last night here posted that they didn’t think Semin looked too good in warmups and assumed he’d be a game time scratch. I noticed he did seem to skate around during breaks in the action as though he were testing something out.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
I cringed too. And even if organic I really hated hearing the “we want Pittsburgh” chant. I preferred to just enjoy the current game where the Hershey Bears—oops meant the Caps—were dominating like we know they can.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
the Hershey Bears—oops meant the Caps
Classic!
“We want Pittsburgh” I kind of liked simply because it is our next game up. If we were playing someone else next I would hate it. Two things I said to the guy next to me when that occured was A. Everytime we “want” Pittsburgh they break our hearts. B. With our top two lines looking so rough we aint ready for pittsburgh. Hopefully this game lights a spark under Ovi and the rest of them and they bring their “A” game.
Yeah you, PaintDrinkingPete and Emily all have made a great argument about that chant. It was good for the fans to show faith in the team and bring enthusiasm to what will be a key game against the Pens. I didn’t think about it that way last night I was so in the moment of the game.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
One can hope they’ll be as fervent when chanting “We Want Montreal” Thursday night.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Glad to see that the universe is settling.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
That bastard stole our Mojo for 8 games. I think schultz took his time off and went out to CO, broke into his house, and stole it back
by Brainumbc on Dec 22, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec’ed. ’bout time Sarge stole back the Caps mojo.
Now it’s time for Hannan to find his groove and adjust his game accordingly to this system (likewise hoping BB is adjusting his system accordingly). It’s been a rough period for him but I am convinced that he is a necessary piece to the defensive lineup—if we could just get everyone healthy at the same time.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I keep thinking about how we lost three in a row after the Chimera trade. Those trades just seem to shake things up for some reason. And Hannan is a much more important part of the team than Chimera given his position. Its just too much to think it is coincidence.
Plus from everything I’ve read here and elsewhere about BB’s system it is particularly difficult for defenseman to learn. I am more than game to give him time to adjust.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
No surprise here
nhllive @washcaps Andrew Gordon joins at 1:30 et.
"It's always good to have vikings."
He is chatty, adorable and chatty.
At the autograph signing thingee after they won last year, his line was so long because he talked with everyone.
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Pleasure and pain, though directly opposite are contrived to be constant companions.
Aww,I really want to meet him now.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
He was really sweet at the Caps Convention.
Don’t make fun of my obsession over ketchup dispensers ever again! ;) Ted Leonsis
I can’t find it now, but RMNB had a great story about how, at this year’s Hershey Fan victory party, he was told by someone in the autograph line that their ailing grandmother was in the stands directly behind him, but couldn’t get down to the floor. He promptly got up and went over to her in the stands and gave her a big hug. Chocolate isn’t the only thing they make sweet up in Hershey.
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by bagace on Dec 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Aww, that was a really simple but super sweet gesture.
And I just realized he is 25…he looks like 12.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Corey Masisak reported yesterday that he is the 6th Caps pick from 2004 to get a goal for the Caps. The others were Ovie, Green, Schultz, Bourque, and Lepisto. I never remember that he is their age until I actually see it.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
he seems so much younger because he spent 4 years at St. Cloud State (just missed Hendricks as a teammate, iirc). He turned pro in 2007-2008….the same season Green broke out as an offensive d-man and Ovie scored 65 goals.
of course, the baby face He makes Neuvy look old) doesn’t help.
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Small correction, he played 3 years at St Cloud. He was drafted out of the SJHL, played 3 seasons at SCSU, then signed his ELC in the spring of 2007.
whoops, thanks for the correction. For some reason, I thought he maxed out his NCAA years.
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was anyone able to listen in and provide a quick recap?
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He mentioned that the kiss will haunt him his entire career. Also they discussed the Brodeur curse.
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Pleasure and pain, though directly opposite are contrived to be constant companions.
While it was good to see AO off the point last night during the PP I would really have liked to see the 2d power play unit during the the 5-on3 last night. Then I got to thinking that BB might not have a 2d power play unit.
More smart coaching: Alex “The Iron Man” Ovechkin has a 2:46 shift in the third period during the long PP with a three goal lead.
"And as it’s my personal opinion, I’d appreciate not being told it’s stupid, thanks." - BeccaH
More smart coaching: Alex "The Iron Man" Ovechkin has a 2:46 shift in the third period during the long PP with a three goal lead.
Actually, I don’t blame Boudreau for keeping Alex out there that long. In fact, I think it was a smart move. Like it or not, this team isn’t going anywhere unless Ovechkin regains his form and if it takes a three minute shift late in the game to do it, I’m all for it. I don’t like the long shifts when the game is tight, but the game was out of hand at that point, so there was little harm to come from his extended TOI.
I was thinking along the lines of injury, such as getting Clark’d in front of the net. The game is pretty much well in hand, and a big preview of the (overhyped) WC is in two days. If AO is indeed nursing an injury of some kind then some other players could have been awarded with more ice time to let Alex rest.
"And as it’s my personal opinion, I’d appreciate not being told it’s stupid, thanks." - BeccaH
Speaking of WC, is NBC going to publish a schedule listing when Milbury won’t be on camera?
"And as it’s my personal opinion, I’d appreciate not being told it’s stupid, thanks." - BeccaH
by hotdog88gt on Dec 22, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I sit behind the Caps’ bench and Ovi was completely, totally gassed when he got off the ice after that shift (as well as after at least one other very long shift during PPs). Like hanging over, couldn’t breath, gassed. I am no sports physiologist but I have to think that injury is much more likely when an athlete is in that condition.
I understand the need to get Ovi back into form but am not sure playing him 2:46 shifts is the way to do it. But then I am an oncology nurse posting on Japers and BB is a professional hockey coach making huge dollars so what the hell do I know.
Jason Arnott
Possible #2C?
“Jason Arnott admits he has wondered whether he eventually will ask to be traded to a contending team. “Like go to a playoff team? I’ve thought about it,” Arnott told The Post yesterday, before the Devils lost their ninth straight road game, 5-1 to the Capitals. “We’re not quitters. Mathematically, we’re not out of it yet. When I decided to come here, the chance I wanted was to be in contention to win this year. It just hasn’t gone that way”
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No. Too slow, too old, and not really a 2C anymore.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 22, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think Arnott bears watching, but if he plays like he did last night, no thanks.
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No no no no no. A thousand times no.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
These are not your father’s Capitals.
If it were three years ago, I would be all over this. But sadly Arnott seems to get older every time I see him play.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
And it’s not just your perception – he actually is older every time you see him play.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
My god you are right! Whowouldathunkit!
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Mind.Blown.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Seems to me he’d be Brendan Morrison, v.2.0
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Has Belanger been traded yet?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this already, but in the goal-cam replay of the Knuble goal last night it looks like Perrault actually lifts Marty’s stick as the shot comes in. Did anyone else see it that way?
Knee High pointed it out, actually.
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That was a great catch (by everyone who noticed) and a sneaky-good play by Matty P. I’m assuming it was on purpose, certainly looked that way on the replay.
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Indeed. Very shift, I don’t usually see that happen. And I take it refs don’t see it that often either since it would seem to fall under the goalie interference rule.
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Would it? Seems like a legal play to me.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
…an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease…The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player. If an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
The rules pretty loosely defined and most of it is targeting positional contact, but the vagueness of the rule would definitely seem to indicate lift checking a goalie is a bad thing by my reading of it.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
It is pretty loosely defined, but I think in this case a stick-check is fine. If a goalie can poke-check you, and you can lift the stick of any other skater (as long as it’s not a hook), I don’t see why you can’t do it to a goalie. Marty was still in position to make the save, he still had use of his arms and legs, etc.
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Idk, considering that lift check may of actually resulted in Knuble’s goal. Often the stick is blocking the 5 hole, which is where the puck went. And the part about a players “actions” impairing a goalie could be interpreted that way.
I think its such a rare occurrence though it will sit in the undefined / up for interpretation area for a while unless it suddenly becomes an epidemic a la head shots.
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Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
How is what Perreault did not impairing Brodeur’s ability to make the save? Sure, he isn’t completely out of it, but he is most certainly impaired. Just because you can stick check a player doesn’t mean you can do it to a goalie. You can hit players, but you can’t hit goalies.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Tell that to Bondra
I’d actually like to hear whether or not that is a legitimate play. I’d lean toward stickchecking a goalie to be legitimate under certain circumstances (playing the puck) but not necessarily kosher if they’re in the act of making a save. Either way, nice move by Perreault.
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forgot to link glorious video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX12aV6z5Aw
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Where did all those fans come from? The Caps didn’t have fans before Ovechkin.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. Kerry Fraser is awesome.
“Yeah…he went for the deep six!!”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
wait, I thought the Caps came in with the 2005 expansion?!?!
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I think the entire city of Buffalo just came down here during the time. That explains it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely not ok. I’ve seen it called a PIM. You cannot stick check the goalie with a shot en route.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Great pull, but not particularly instructive. I could pull the infamous Kerry Fraser no-call and say that it’s ok to hit guys in the head with sticks. Calls get missed, but it’s still illegal to stick check a goalie with a shot en route.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
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I know, but I was just being a jokester. And Eddie losing his mind in that clip is goddamn hysterical.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Which is sort of what I would expect from Marty last night.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
That’s why I’m with JP on this one. Why didn’t Marty lose his shit if it was a penalty? Just because his team was down by a lot doesn’t mean you don’t argue the call – at the very least it makes some noise and then maybe if it happens in the next game you get the call.
Marty’s hardly one to keep quiet if someone’s doing something wrong, you know?
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Only within the crease… No question that if the goalie is trying to stickhandle behind the net, a lift-check is legal. Question is, when does it become illegal… When the goalie is in the crease? When the player is? Both?
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So why didn’t Brodeur flip his shit?
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That’s exactly what I was about to ask.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Distracted by the sea of red.
You had me at no problem.
by Ninjak on Dec 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of which…. I didn’t get to the game last night. Did they bring back Marty’s quote in the intros?
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His team has 9 wins?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
and it was the 5th goal of the night?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
shoulda known better than to think I could be first this late in the day with this group!
by Boodgiesdad on Dec 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t notice this. I will definitely check it out on the video when I am not on a computer that doesn’t support flash player. Thanks for (re)pointing that out.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Buy or sell: Alex Ovechkin is not the NHL’s best Russian. [THN]
I found this to be an interesting read, and am a little surprised its not been discussed. So, buy or sell?
I saw it, and thought it was bs that they harped on “consistency.” AO’s been consistent up until this year, and he’s been consistently top 2 (we all know who is right this exact second) for 5 years.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sell. I will give Datsyuk credit, I think he is (and has been) one of the best forwards in the NHL. But Ovie having one poor eason does not make Datsyuk better. Plus, I am irritated by their offhand dismissal of Semin – who is the most skilled Russian in the NHL.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
Semin – who is the most skilled Russian in the NHL
IMO you need to watch more of Datsyuk. More skilled (much better skater and a better puck handler in tight spaces) and without question more consistent in applying those skills.
The ice will show everything.
Datsyuk is a far better skater and far more responsible about stick penalties, but hands down Semin is better pretty much everywhere else.
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Do you see Semin winning a Selke in his future?
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Semin puts too much effort into stick checking and commits too many penalties. If he didn’t, he’d be a legitimate Selke candidate.
Datsyuk is more disciplined, but, Semin is one of the most talented players in the league hands down. I don’t think there’s been a guy as talented as Semin in the league since Fedorov.
Semin has his issues that keep him from being utterly dominant — wanting to play pretty hockey, poor discipline, lack of effort and so on and so forth but his skill level is off the charts in pretty much every area of the game.
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Datsyuk is also much stronger on his feet.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
yeah, forgot to mention that. Semin being incredibly weak on his feet limit him as well.
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so, if the Red Wings offered to trade Datsyuk straight up for Semin, what would you do?
Warning: I started watching hockey in 2007. So, yeah. Heh.
by Laich Button on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
attempt to re-start my husband’s heart.
look, I love Sasha, but, yeah….Pavel Freaking Datsyuk……
except he broke his hand tonight and is out 4 weeks. damn.
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Semin’s a UFA, and Datsyuk is a better player right now. You take Datsyuk.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 23, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
you’re right, I’ll take Dats, broken hand be damned.
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More consistent, yes. More skilled, no. Semin is among the 3 best shooters in the NHL, is one of the best puckhandlers, and can play great defense. The only issue is getting him to actually play up to that level. If you are asking me who is the better player – Datsyuk.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
And if you are talking pure skill you have to put Kovalev in the discussion.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Kovalev would make so much more sense if we knew he was a stoner.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
Yeah he totally would. His most recent tiff with the media was hilarious.
“It’s been happening my whole career and I don’t know why.”
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
“Dude, check this out, I’m totally going to do a curl-and-drag here, watch, the puck has tracers…”
“Wait, what happened? Where’s the puck?”
“Turnover? Fuck me. Get me some Doritos and I’ll show you a turnover.”
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
A turnover? I hope it’s apple!
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 22, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And that’s why the 32-year-old is the best Russian in the league right now.
The key phrase is “right now”. I take that to mean as at this point in the season. And with that I can’t argue.
And I say this as someone whose favourite players in the NHL are Backs and Dats.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Right now? This season? Buy. Big time. He’s still the second best Russian.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
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No argument from me with what you said.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
To date so far this season? Buying. Datsyuk’s been better so far. As for what will happen in the next half of the season? Selling.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 22, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
But Ovie having one poor eason does not make Datsyuk better.
Strictly speaking, he’s having a poor 30+ games. If he’s hovering around 25 goals come April, then they can make the argument. I don’t think that’s going to happen, though. All this criticism of Alex has shown that there are a lot of haters out there who have been dying to knock Ovechkin down a peg and a lot of them come from north of the border.
Very true. I probably should have said “to this point”. Ovie does have his critics, and a number of them do seem to be Canadian media – not like that’s new.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
And yet despite his "terrible"season, there he is, tied for 5th in the league in scoring ahead of 752 other NHL players. Just awful.
I long for the day when a prospect will be called up, perform well, and not have the words “cute” or “adorable” used to describe him.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
“cuddly”?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
With SDR gone, all hope is lost unless Finley (heaven help us) gets the call.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think the bunnies found SDR to be cute, no?
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Some of them did
"Stefan Della Rovere." His names left my lips, almost leaving me light headed just at the sound of him. I tried to think of the right words to describe him, but I came up blank. My mind was too busy to be thinking about that. "He’s perfect." I stated simply before continuing. "He’s the captain of the team, he’s a total sweetheart, and he’s not too bad to look at either." I saw Alyonka giggle a bit, and I grinned wide at the thought of him. "The way he kisses me just takes my breath away, you know?" I finally looked over to my cousin, and she nodded slightly to show she did know what I meant. I turned back to the road, a smile playing on my lips as I brought my fingers up to touch them lightly, feeling them tingle just at the memory of Stefan Della Rovere kissing me.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Where the eff did you find that? Reads like a bad trashy romance novel.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
It is. Ovechwin found it. It’s Mary Sue Fan Fic where the lead character basically has sex with all the caps and part of the Kings and they all LOOOOVEE her.
barf
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There’s a lot of Pens in there. I think Orpik and Letang and Sid. And Goligoski and Dustin Jeffrey.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus Christ, OFB has gone downhill.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 13 recs
Ooof. Corey has done better work than that.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So this is what you read when your not posting here. Interesting.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Read?! I wrote it, sir/madam!
No really, I didn’t write it, but I wish I had.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have an SDR body pillow?
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Dreams of him are the only caresses I need.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I know the secrets that you keep when you’re talking in your sleep.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta feed the Box Seats content beast somehow.
You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!
Haha. I already wrote my “mailed in” column this week with the Alexander Semin Crazniess Scale.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
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You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!
I don’t think the XY portion of Japers’ Rink is using the terms “cute,” “adorable,” “cuddly,” or other synonyms to describe our call-ups.
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Nah, it’s definitely a female trend – and sorry, boys, it’s how we talk. They have dimples and hug grandmas and kiss each other on the cheek, that’s cute and adorable and there’s no way around it.
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Ahem….that’s how YOU talk.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Okay, it’s how a lot of us talk. Fine.
…and really it’s not like it comes out all the time. When Gordo and Beags were first called up and were on the same line (with Hendricks, I think?) I said nothing about them being “cute” or “adorable”. My first thought was that it looked like a scrappy, ass-kicking line. I don’t remember there being a lot of “cute” or “adorable” things said by any female, but after certain moments – like the MarJo smoochin’ – it happens. It was cute, what else can you call it?
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I thought it was adorable, and even called my sister down to see it on DVR replay last night. But I find it kind of annoying when easily 50% of the comments on the Recap and Clips threads are about things that are “cute” rather than the actual hockey. “Cute” conversations are not why I read Japers’ Rink.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Then skip those parts. Plenty of other things to read too.
There's always more to learn about Hockey.
And I’m not sure it’s fair to say 50% of the comments on the Recap and Clips have anything to do with cuteness. Do a quick search on this page and you’ll find the word “cute” is used for the first time when JP says it. And I think adorable popped up 2 or 3 other times and that’s it.
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I thought what happened yesterday was objectively cute and adorable.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s definitely the kiss and Mackan’s sweet smile in return. It was sweet in a teammate chemistry way. One would have thought they had been playing together on the same line for ages they were in such perfect sync last night. Moreover, I find that there is a kind of romanticism to the physical intimacy between players. It reminds me of the Ovi goal with a gorgeous, almost prescient assist from Nicky ( can’t remember which game) after which he cradles the face of a kneeling Ovi. An extraordinarily intimate and romantic moment of celebration.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
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And yet, say one word about a Red Rocker and it’s WWIII. Got it…
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Let me give you advice that I gave my 15-year-old four years ago, when he was 11.
I told him: “Women are always right. The sooner that you understand that and can live with that, the better your life will be.”
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by STLSpidey on Dec 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh heh. My husband says that all the time. Smart man.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
"Women are always right. The sooner that you understand that and can live with that, the better your life will be."
I’d argue that the sooner the women around you realize that they’re not entitled by birthright to the presupposition of always being right, the better your life will be. But I won’t, as I’d probably get jumped for saying it.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, it’s not so much that women are right or entitled. It’s more that they do so much for us men in our marriages that we must keep them happy in order to remain happy ourselves.
You had me at no problem.
That’s a two-way street in a happy marriage, no?
And this is OT… we can stop now.
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But I can go back in time and kill my dad’s dad before my dad is born. Really.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Boobyknees?
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I’m wondering how this all fits together.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
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Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
You are in a contrary mood today. In our marriage “happy wife. Happy life” is a running gag between us. Of course he gets his way—occasionally—like on his birthday. Seriously, it’s just a gender joke—not a serious topic for debate—right?
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why I love coming here—snark? Or not? Or both?
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Not. I wouldn’t presume to have a serious discussion related to someone else’s relationship(s) on a hockey website.
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I can’t always tell when people are joking around here as the witticisms are often rather dry but I was responding more to your post—“I’d argue that the sooner the women around you realize that they’re not entitled by birthright to the presupposition of always being right, the better your life will be. But I won’t, as I’d probably get jumped for saying it.”
You seemed so serious but I shouldn’t have used my own life in my rejoinder. I usually take the gender commentary here as lighthearted fluff—stuff inspired by A. Gordo’s kiss to Mackan’s cheek.
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Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nah. Just responding to the previous comment with an alternative that shouldn’t be taken any more literally than the comment to which it was responding.
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Gotcha
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
For myself, dry wit is just a defense mechanism. If people aren’t ever really sure if I’m serious or not, then when I say something truly stupid — a real howler — odd are they’ll chalk it up to my dry wit.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. It all boils down to rep? And you’ve got one for bringing the funny.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Do not start with me again…there is a difference between acknowledging the puppy-like quality of a hockey player along with the appreciation of his forechecking and goal-scoring abilities, and saying a woman is hot when her only purpose for even being there is to be hot.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure. But when there’s additional, legitimate purpose for her even being there, then it’s the samefuckingthing.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s really, really not. I’d like Brooks Laich even if he wasn’t gorgeous, I mention it because he just so happens to be. He’d still be the hockey player he is. If those girls didn’t look like that, they wouldn’t be there.
And we’re not diverting another Clips thread over this :P
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, it’s the same. Those girls are there because they wanted to do something that requires a certain amount of physical fitness and coordination, auditioned for it, and were selected. Same as Laich.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, in fairness, they’re like the time – some of them are physically attractive, others are not.
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Yea, they’re such fatties.
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by oldemystix on Dec 22, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, this again. I’m with Becca as before. Already said enough on the topic.
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by Carl Putnam on Dec 22, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I pay money to go to the Verizon Center to watch hockey. Do you pay money to go to the Verizon Center to watch athletic young women in tight, shiny clothes hand out t-shirts and food coupons?
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Huh? So maybe there shouldn’t be vendors there either. Or ushers. Or announcers…
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…all of whom serve a purpose, are paid to be there, and are not made out to be some sort of spectacle that is announced as if they’re on the same level with the team they “support”.
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The Red Rockers serve a purpose. You just don’t approve of that purpose.
Also, how are they announced as though they’re on the same level as the Caps? I haven’t been to many games this season but I haven’t heard them announce the “starting line-up.”
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 22, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Now you’re just being ridiculous. The Red Rockers serve a purpose (just one you don’t like, as Bebop points out), are paid to be there and are certainly not announced as if they’re on the same level with the team. That’s insanity.
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And they do some dancing. Maybe not at the level of NBA or NFL cheerleaders, but they do have little routines they do for all of the break songs/cheers. Dance talent, coordination, and athleticism are required.
Less drama, more hockey
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Right, apologies for being a tad overdramatic. My point was that they’re raised to something far above the people you mentioned – ushers, vendors, announcers, etc. They’re a spectacle, when the same purpose used to be served without controversy and without pissing people off (and it’s not just me).
Seriously, the fact that a mere mention of the Red Rockers threatens to tear the Rink apart at the seams should probably be a sign that, just because you don’t find them offensive doesn’t mean others don’t.
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I don’t personally mind them. But I can see where you are coming from. At least the red rockers wear a lot more clothes than the ice girls for Dallas…
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dallas isn’t the only team whose ice girls piss me off.
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Those women are far more scantily clad than the Red Rockers.
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When do we play Atlanta again?
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully never. Haven’t we played them 17 times already?
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Well, given what I now know about the game day experience at Philips arena, I wouldn’t mind seeing one more game there…
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
7th rd pick in the 2014 draft?
If it's too loud, turn it down.
by renstar on Dec 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at her clearing the ice and serving a hockey-related purpose. Therefore, not offensive, right?
Less drama, more hockey
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dead eyes. GAH.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
look how cute and cuddly she is!
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 22, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Craig Anderson wants to know, too.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 22, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They’re raised above those folks because that’s their purpose—to attract attention and (hopefully) generate enthusiasm.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 22, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
…all of which can be done – and has been done in the past – without being presented the way they’re presented.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
How do you know it was done as effectively in the past?
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I can get drinks served by a non-attractive women, or get seated at a restaurant. But in most cases they have cute girls doing that job. Does this offend you too? Are you literally offended every time you go out in public? Dear god, stay the fuck away from Vegas.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
It’s not in most cases.
Bartenders are often attractive because it helps tips – and that’s across the board, both sexes, so it’s hard to find too much wrong with it.
And if I went to Vegas, I’d know what to expect and it’d be silly to complain. I’m not against that kind of thing (or I am but I’m aware of things I can’t change) when it’s part of the package – it shouldn’t be part of the package at a hockey game, is all I’m saying.
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And if Chipotle says that hot girls helps the success of their marketing promos?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
See, you can keep throwing examples at me – all it does is underline my point that it’s part of a larger problem in society. And like all larger problems, you have to start with the smaller things and work your way up. This is a smaller problem. It’s one that is relatively new for our team and one that, because it deals with our team, impacts me and my hockey experience.
And yes, newsflash, sex sells. But it targets men much more often than it targets women, and whether or not they can find women to be accomplices in the objectification doesn’t mean it’s okay.
Maybe you men should stop being ruled by your hormones…then maybe I’ll sit down and shut up.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well you say hiring sexy people is ok because it impacts tips, but if it also impacts sales in a promotions setting then how is that different?
I’m sure you’d be pissed if women weren’t allowed to be sexy in public. Where is the line? We let women be sexy, and then we (as men) respond, so we are objectifying them. Or we don’t let them be sexy so we don’t get “ruled by our hormones” (as if that’s a one-way street… Fuck you, HORMONES) and then we’d just be oppressing them.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
by Rob Parker on Dec 22, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
its a pointless debate in which no one will change their minds and the sensitivity level is extremely high as it typically can be around here….
can you believe we are on a 2 game winning streak
so you like the direction the comments on clips went today….did it serve a purpose here…Id rather debate whats wrong with the PP or why arent our D moving the puck or wth is wrong with Ovi
Fine – then start a thread talking about those things. This is, believe it or not, a somewhat hockey-related conversation. It was started by the head honcho of this site. You don’t like it, you’re free to go join one of the other many worthwhile threads on this site.
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Women being sexy is one thing. Someone else profiting off of that – and choosing only to sell things by using sex – is another. There are attractive people in the world, you’re making it sound like I think the only people who should exist are ugly ones. Looking appreciatively at a hot woman on the street is different than a society that says that’s the only way someone should look based on what we see in ads, in movies, on TV, etc.
And I’m not saying its OKAY to hire them, I’m saying I understand it – and the benefit of a sexy bartender (besides the fact that it generally works pretty evenly, tons of hot male bartenders out there, too) goes directly to the person. You think the bar owner cares if their bartenders make good tips? Generally it’s part of a larger image for the establishment anyway and they’re only letting in the “hot” people, but that’s their choice. People go there knowing that’s part of the deal.
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The bars definitely make money off having hot staff. They don’t only let in hot guests. I’m not sure where you are going with that. There’s also a HUGE disparity in how hot women and hot men get treated in the industry. There are some hot guys that get jobs because they are hot, but it’s limited to bartenders and being hot is not nearly as important for men as women. Bar backs? Bus boys? Nobody gives a shit if you are hot. But if you are a female bartender, waitress, hostess, VIP host, whatever, you are probably going to be hot. That’s just how it is. I’d say that’s a bigger deal than the RR considering how many more women try to get into the service industry, but for some reason it’s just the RRs that have you in a twist.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
It’s not JUST the RRs. I hate that society has become just about how you look.
However, it’s the RRs that are new, and therefore more easily changed. The way things have always been are harder to change when they keep piling on, and adding cheerleaders to hockey (on top of being, in my opinion, a phenomenally stupid idea simply based on the fact that there’s ice and you can’t cheerlead on ice) is piling on where it’s not needed.
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What about the ice girls that actually clean the ice? If the RRs did that would you be any less offended?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
What if they wore hockey skates while doing so? (vs. figure skates)
What if they were hockey players themselves that just happen to be attractive and wanted a job w/ the Caps??
What if they were Caps fans from the days of their youth when their Dad took them to Capital Centre or USAir Arena and they got the only job they could with the team cause they live and die by hockey? should we hold that against them because some that view them do it non-objectively?
The reason women are more involved with the “sex sells” mantra is because women are the more attractive human species. Even most women would agree with that. The fact that “society” forces you to take care of yourself and/or dress nice and/or present yourself in a more attractive manner than what you feel presents to men is all personal.
If you’re one of those “equality” people… you wouldn’t care what they were wearing, they chose the job, they knew the deal. It’s what they want to do.
Do I personally care for the Red Rockers as a necessity to my game-day experience when I go to a hockey game? No. Do I feel it directly or indirectly affects my ability to view or enjoy the game? No. They’re background …. I can just as easily check my blackberry while they’re throwing burritos as I can to sit there and drool (or not in some cases).
It’s a wasted argument if you ask me. I feel people try to make more out of small things than they should… maybe that’s just society’s way?
by Scofield on Dec 22, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Overdramatic and WAY OT…Americans are very prudish, And our country tends to make too many concessions for the minority. And anyone Offended by Red Rockers is definitely in the minority. I am a young guy and check out women as most men do and I dont look at any of the RR’s as a piece of meat.
How about everyone take it easy and get back on topic
oh, yes, those of us in the minority (whatever minority that may be) should just shut up and let the majority have their way, even if it’s degrading and insulting.
it’s not YOUR male opinion, therefore, it must be wrong.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 22, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Minority as in a group of people that arent the majority, ie less than 50% and I am 100% positive not every women walks into VC with utter disgust for the RR’s and not every man walks into VC to salivate of RR’s ..so yes…you are in the minority. I know my wife could care less. But she will tell me how HAWT Brooksie and I could care less about that.
then that makes ALL of us the minority in some ways, and therefore no “right” answer, so if you don’t mind, I’ll continue to express my distaste for ice girls, red rockers, and the other ways in which women are objectified to “enhance” male sporting events.
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Are you objecting to “objectification” or “female objectification.” Honest question.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
largely female objectification, but that’s because you so rarely see men objectified at sporting events. It’s not like there’s a male equivalent to the Red Rockers (never mind scantily clad Redskins cheerleaders or the Atlanta ice girls) at Mystics games.
I don’t have a problem with someone watching a sport as saying “He/she is attractive/hot/cute/has the most adorable freaking dimples ever.” I don’t have a problem with a “team” that goes into the stands and throws out t-shirts or whatever. But something about dropping a group of women into a sporting event dressed in varying amounts of spandex…..it just screams “LOOK AT THEIR TITS AND ASSES!” to me.
it’s kinda funny, my distaste for spandex and lycra, given my sports background. I’m trying to figure it out myself.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thats it I am ordering my Mr. Red Rocker #69 sweater tomorrow, then I am going to hang with Mrs. Semin
Is the issue that it’s present, or is the issue that you can’t ignore it?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
both. like I said below, it’s not just a red rocker issue, it’s part of a wider problem with how women are presented and our relative position in American society.
I’ll be very honest: I’ve never understood traditional cheerleading. Oh, I get that back in the day that was pretty much the ONLY outlet for women to do something, anything, organized and athletic. But now? I just. don’t. understand.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet jesus…men arent under the same microscope?
We dont get abs, pecs, biceps thrown in our faces everyday…
What kind of full contact office do you work at?
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Too many guys want the 6pack but they have no ice chest to put it in.
Guys aren’t under the same microscope though. Just look at all the TV shows with the superfat dude who is slightly funny and sort of dumb with the superhot yet annoying wife.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you. said with a lot less profanity than the post I was composing.
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ok well then look the entertainment industry, tell me mens bodies arent objectified by society, so at least i will know how out of touch you are. Then and only then will it explain your opinions.
Dude… you’re getting close to needing to take a few minutes off, dig?
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in all fairness this whole thing should have been moved earlier…and this line is a little out there:
thank you. said with a lot less profanity than the post I was composing.
Can we just end this fucking thread? Everyone just walk away…
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully that means I can end it.
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I have an eating disorder.
When all this objectification of men gets to the point where you make yourself eat and throw up religiously, with a bonus helping of wanting to die, then come talk to me about all that pressure you face from the media.
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by PrincessPowerful on Dec 22, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sorry to hear that, but that’s a little unfair. Eating disorders exist for men, too, for the same reasons.
That said, I understand why you responded the way you did.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
You really think the shit that’s thrown at women is the same as what gets thrown at men?
And no, you’re not sorry. If you were you wouldn’t have pulled the “but what about the men” card. Men can get breast cancer too, should we start spreading around posters of a topless dude with save the ta ta’s on it?
Real nice.
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by PrincessPowerful on Dec 22, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I was at least respectful in the way I said it.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re right. You should get to own misery all by yourself.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The NHL has its own image that men are forced to aspire to: Henrik Zetterberg’s beard.
My death was arranged by special plans in Heaven and only occasioned comment by ten persons in Adams, Massachusetts. The best thing ever said about me was that I was deft at specifying trump.
That’s one thing and it rings so true in your memory because they are very few and far between.
It also fits right in with my first line of 6pack with no ice chest.
If other guys want to get sucked in to actually thinking those guys are “ripped” sucks for them.
I’ll be happy knowing I have bigger legs than those guys so I’ll settle with my 4pack, better lifts, and being able to drink beer whenever I want.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
bro you dont get it….I could care less about it. I am just saying that when a guy with a ripped up body is plastered all over the internet, and magazines its cool, so why when a womans body is admired is there a group that start burning bras…
The difference is men are objectified just as much…we could just careless.
The difference is men are objectified just as much…we could just careless.
I’m not your bro, man.
I think you don’t get it. Guys aren’t objectified just as much, a lot of guys do care a lot, and comparing women to men has nothing to do with women. It’s a poor way to construct an argument.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because there is a huge disparity in the two.
Men can succeed if they aren’t attractive, women are at a disadvantage if they don’t look like a model.
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Pleasure and pain, though directly opposite are contrived to be constant companions.
Get out of here with that. Seriously.
This stuff’s no longer on-topic and further discussion of it here will probably lead to warnings.
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Men can succeed if they aren’t attractive, women are at a disadvantage if they don’t look like a model.
Every study I’ve seen done on it (albeit only three or four) finds an advantage for attractive people of both genders.
Of course, but unattractive males have it better than unattractive females.
I’m not going to argue further though, no one will win.
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Pleasure and pain, though directly opposite are contrived to be constant companions.
And I’d say that unsuccessful men have it just as bad as unattractive women.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
by D'ohboy on Dec 22, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and the TV shows you speak of are sitcom COMEDIES so they need the funny guy….which is a hell of alot more talent involved in that then looking good in spandex.
I don’t think you’re taking the correct information out of what I posted.
I don’t have the energy to explain it further because it’s sort of painfully obvious.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I take offense to the fact that men are always slightly sort of dumb in sitcoms!
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why is the serial killer always a middle aged white guy?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
What serial killers were NOT middle aged white guys? The famous ones almost all were…
You had me at no problem.
Your avatar could be a damn serial killer. Maybe it’s selection bias because only the white guys survived long enough without being caught! Or only the white guys were dumb enough to get caught!
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Obviously it’s just that society’s to blame.
Less drama, more hockey
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not serial.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Ah, I don’t recall.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
There was the black guy who buried chicks underneath his house in Ohio who got caught last year.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a massive parity problem there. Ugly, fat guys get the women on TV prett
My death was arranged by special plans in Heaven and only occasioned comment by ten persons in Adams, Massachusetts. The best thing ever said about me was that I was deft at specifying trump.
Right, because every woman in America thinks her husband is a bonehead and every man in America thinks that even though he’s a fat slob, he can land a hot chick. Those shows appeal to everyone!!
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Can opener / can situation, but it’s pretty amusing. I could care less since it goes in the bucket labeled ‘things I can’t change’
My death was arranged by special plans in Heaven and only occasioned comment by ten persons in Adams, Massachusetts. The best thing ever said about me was that I was deft at specifying trump.
LOL
Men have it so much easier, especially growing up.
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Pleasure and pain, though directly opposite are contrived to be constant companions.
But is that really how it is? People like me see cheerleaders/red rockers/what-have-you and don’t see the problem inherent that you do. I don’t think these women have succumbed to societal pressures to become living make-up adverts, I think they’re doing pretty much what they want to be doing. Perhaps that was shaped by growing up with certain pressures and expectations, but those are all but gone, today. At least, they are certainly not around to the extent they were. And, as Cap-O-Vens says right above this, it’s at least as bad for men, now, as it is for women. In my opinion and observations, at least.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
JFC. I’m not a prude. I don’t care if people ogle women or ogle men (I certainly am guilty of the latter, myself). I don’t care if they show sex and nudity on TV or in magazines and I’ll never pull a Maude Flanders and think “someone please think of the children!!” because of any of that.
It’s all about where it’s done and what it adds – or takes away from – the experience. I’ve said it before, it’s a slippery slope.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
This has nothing to do with being prudish.
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Contributor at Five For Howling.
Really? ever been to Europe? There is nudity male/female, everywhere. And I dont mean scantly clad. I mean NUDE.
This isn’t about nudity. This is about the objectification of one gender and the messages it sends.
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by Carl Putnam on Dec 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or, put another way, this isn’t about nudity, it’s about a group of people wanting to deny another group of adults the choice to do what they want to make a few bucks.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, it’s about how males in power decide what types of jobs are available and to whom. You keep focusing on individual decision making, but the point I’m making is the messages these groups send out are a societal issue.
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by Carl Putnam on Dec 22, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So, because there are people out there who will interpret this the way you say, you want to eliminate it entirely, regardless of the number of people who will not interpret the message the same way.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think we probably disagree somewhat on what that message is, but the bigger point is that it’s all market-driven and sometimes one’s utopian vision of society isn’t reflected in what the market supplies and demands. Personally, I’m fine with that, up to a point, and that point is one that lies far beyond a pro hockey team’s cheer squad.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And I would maintain this isn’t a market driven issue. You could make certainly make that case for prostitution for example. However, I’ve never met a person who goes or doesn’t go to a sporting event based on whether their is a group like the Red Rockers.
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Like I said elsewhere, neither of us is aware of the full reach of the Red Rockers and what they allow the team to do in the community that they might not be able to otherwise.
And no one goes to a game for the funnel cake or for the $9 beer or any of that, either – it’s all part of the game experience (that neither you nor I care for, btw).
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Maybe for arm fetishists.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
There are a surprising number of those.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
The Caps glam shots (and Club Scarlet) were ridiculed by quite a few people when they came out.
(And that photo still shows man as powerful, with direct, challenging gaze)
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Jeff Schultz’ picture would like to have a word with you on the “man as powerful” idea.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Becca, the only time I ever see these debates going is when you overreact to the Rockers being mentioned. If you didn’t do that, the 4 or 5 of these I’ve seen would have been a dozen posts between them.
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I think they’re dumb, and that the guys that take pictures with them are idiots. You’re there to watch a game, not ogle a bunch of cheerleaders.
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No, you’re there to watch a game, not ogle a bunch of cheerleaders. I don’t know why you think you know why everyone attends hockey games and what makes the evening enjoyable for them.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t think anyone goes to a game to watch the Red Rockers.
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The Red Rockers are no where near as bad as some other, so I’m glad.
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Not the point, but I’m cooked. Last word’s all yours if you need it.
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Honestly, I’m with you. I don’t think the Red Rockers add anything to the game, but they also don’t take anything from it. I wouldn’t care whether or not they are there. My point is that this entire 500 comment (or whatever it is) debate could easily have been avoided had either a) Becca not overreacted or b) JP not brought up the Red Rockers for no reason. The Rink is better than this – debates like this just take away from what was originally a great post.
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You know, that’s the second time you’ve said I overreacted and frankly I find that a little unfair.
Look at my initial response to JP’s comment, I don’t think I was overreacting one bit. As the discussion went on, I – along with many others, on both sides of the argument – got into a debate with strong opinions being voiced. Is that overreacting? Because you disagree with me, or because others do (or don’t)?
It happens to be something I feel strongly about but I’d hardly call anything I said an overreaction. And actually debates like this, when not blown too far out of proportion, are exactly what make the Rink such a great place. We don’t all agree but we have strong beliefs and (most of us) can debate without taking away from the quality of the site.
…and what exactly was the great post we’re taking away from? The Clips? They’re always good, but they’re also meant to do this – spark debate, start conversations.
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You might find it unfair, but that’s how it came across. My point is, this argument’s been gone through so many times, and there’s no point to it. The Clips debates are generally good because they’re about the Clips, and this one has been good when it’s been about them. I don’t agree or disagree with anyone here – I stated my opinion right above your post. And this argument has gotten blown out of proportion – a few months ago.
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I, for one, ain’t touching it < grin >
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I meet Red Rockers now, they’re nice girls. I hate them slightly less now.
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Nice girls? Do they have nice families?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
That, and they’ve got really great personalities.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Dec 22, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nice girl, nice family, SHE’S A FOUR…th line grinder.
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Heh now I feel almost guilty for wanting to try out! Almost. I think it would be fun.
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
It’s for this reason exactly that people getting all “It’s anti-feminist” make me mad. Go try out, have fun, best of luck. And if you make it, you’re a better dancer than I. At games I might make fun of the amount of make up you’re required to wear, but if that’s your cup of tea, have fun and enjoy yourself.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dammit. No, don’t feel bad for that, sorry – I don’t mean to make you or others who might have felt similarly feel bad. I actually have a friend who tried out twice and didn’t make it. The idea of having some sort of squad whose job is to do fan outreach and hand out free crap to the fans doesn’t bother me so much, and I’d agree it could be fun. It’s the way they’re presented that bugs me.
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But they are cheerleaders, aren’t they? I mean, are they presented/intended as anything else?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
They’re not cheerleaders. They’re a…I don’t know what they are but they’re not cheerleaders, even if that’s what people want to make them out as being.
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No. The big shiny screen with the flashing lights does, and Wes does, and Horn Guy and Goat do. When have you ever seen them lead a cheer?
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So there’s never a point at which the Red Rockers are chanting “Let’s Go Caps”?
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maybe they’re chanting it when Sam blows his horn.
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Just to keep things fair between the sexes, I think Goat and Horn Guy should wear Red Rocker uniforms.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 22, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
um, no? They’re both really nice guys, but, um, yeah, I don’t want to see them in lycra.
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but you have no issues with Greenie and Brooks shirtlesst holding a hockey stick on the scarlet caps site.
I think Scarlet Caps is utterly ridiculous (a potential good idea undone by really poor execution). I think Greenie’s shirtless hockey stick picture is hilariously bad.
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yeah, and it’s ridiculous. Good idea: create a place for new female hockey fans to learn about the team and sport. Bad idea: make it look like something out of Tiger Beat After Dark.
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by RedBirdie on Dec 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome simile there, and precisely my objection to Club Scarlet.
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Ah, now there are some people who are announced on the same level as the team. I know who Wes is, and Goat, and Horn Guy. I still don’t know who any of the Red Rockers are. That’s because they just quietly do their thing and can be ignored. If someone had an objection to The Goat, on the other hand, they’d have a hard time attending a Caps game.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 22, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
cheerleaders (in the traditional sense, not the competitive cheer squads that are so popular today) are supposed to be there to pump up the crowd. Lead in cheers and all that. The Red Rockers don’t do that, imo, it’s not their role. They toss out freebies and hand out prizes for the in-game contests. Which I suppose then brings us back to the question of, why can’t the Caps go back to the co-ed, non-lycra wearing group they had a few years ago?
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They toss out freebies and hand out prizes for the in-game contests.
The entire purpose of these in-game contests is to pump up the crowd, and to keep the crowd entertained during stoppages.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
You’d have to ask someone in marketing that question. But I’d suspect there’s a much higher demand for the current squad (in terms of appearances and whatnot) than for the former incarnation.
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I would like that as well, mainly because my seat is high and in the center of the row so those freebees thrown never make it up to us.
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I’m usually in the Eagle’s Nest, so I can’t even SEE the Rockers, much less catch the freebies.
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by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
No no, I was not offended, sorry if I sounded like I was….I just meant I can see where you are coming from.
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
…all of whom serve a purpose, are paid to be there, and are not made out to be some sort of spectacle that is announced as if they’re on the same level with the team they "support".
Wait, when are the Red Rockers announced at all, let alone on the team’s level? Bruce the organ guy gets announced, but I don’t know who any of the Red Rockers are.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 22, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Are any of those things your reason for going there? And do you therefore think those people should be selected (in part) for their attractiveness and then costumed to call attention to their appearance?
Also, to be honest, I get a little annoyed that some vendors are put into referee stripes. Uniforms to set them apart are good, but costumes such as that don’t seem helpful.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 22, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not. But, like the Red Rockers, every one of those roles serves to enhance the game experience.
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Yet, somehow my experience is not enhanced. I’m there to watch a hockey game.
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by Carl Putnam on Dec 22, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Me too. Then again, I don’t patronize 99.9% of the vendors on a given night, don’t interact with 99.9% of the ushers, and don’t buy merchandise from any of the concessionaires. To each their own.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’ing you both as my hockey-loving, anti-social side couldn’t be more in agreement.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, me neither, but there must be plenty of folks who do enjoy their presence. I seem to recall one of Ted’s motivations to haivng them was that they would be sponsored and therefore a revenue stream. To my knowledge, they are not sponsored at all. So that begs the question, how long will they last.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Funny how the only people I ever here that B.S. from are male including Ted. I even get the whole giveaway free crap because it works to draw people (not for me, but its actually proven to work on a subset of people). However, you could have anyone do that job.
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I don’t think that you or I have any real insight into how much the Red Rockers do outside of in-game entertainment. Appearances and whatnot get the team’s name out there and provide a ton of outreach and no, there isn’t the same demand for that if it’s just a handful of co-ed college kids in jeans and Caps shirts.
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Which in my mind makes it even worse not better from the objectification standpoint given the message it sends to kids.
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Yes, don’t let these kids see women doing something productive that they enjoy. Instead pop them in front of Demi Lovato for an afternoon.
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More choices in the world than Red Rockers or Disney crap thankfully.
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Certainly. My point being that in this big ol’ world, there’s a hell of a lot worse than twentysomethings in gym attire.
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And my point would be that the world is created by decisions just like the ones that lead to the creation of such groups. They perpetuate gender stereotypes and objectify women.
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by Carl Putnam on Dec 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then blame the women who are willing suppliers.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From Orgazmo:
Lisa: [to Maxxx] You pig, you’re responsible for degrading all of those women.
Clark: Equally degradable in pornographic films.
Lisa: Men are always in a position of power.
Rodgers: They’re the ones who want the product so bad, they’re the victims.
Lisa: Well, it exploits men by exploiting women.
Clark: Hence, it exploits people.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
And what society did those suppliers grow up in?
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One with both men and women in it. In what country is the female form NOT used as a marketing tool?
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Iran?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, bastion of gender equality that it is.
In fact, I might use such examples to point out that “female objectification” is merely a side effect of liberty and equality. Women have the power to influence men’s actions with their appearance. They choose to do so. What’s the big effing deal? I just don’t get it.
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by Ninjak on Dec 22, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll also note that the Red Rockers all fit a very specific mold. They are thin, they’re conventionally pretty, etc etc. (and this is the case in so much of society, too)
It’s not a positive image for young girls who don’t fit that mold, for whatever reason.
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So hide all of the thin conventionally pretty women for fear young girls will acknowledge that they are thin and pretty?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I absolutely hate to say this… but they’re not all thni nor conventionally pretty.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
are there any that are even moderately overweight? disfigured in some way?
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I’m not about to get into specifics, but some of the girls are more curvy than others – they’;re not all “thin.” And some of them, quite frankly, look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
There. I said it.
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Why do they need to be moderately overweight? Is there something cool about being overweight or disfigured?
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by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
For the reals. Why exactly should we be encouraging folks to let themselves go?
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
by D'ohboy on Dec 22, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d feel a hell of a lot better about myself.
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by Rob Parker on Dec 22, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And the hockey players are mostly guys who didn’t go to college and make more money than every teacher, firefighter, police officer and nurse on the planet. They are almost all tall, well conditioned atheletes.
Is that a positive image for young boys and girls who dont fit that mold and have < 1% chance at earning a living at the sport?
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think hockey players are great role models and very positive images.
Shoot for the stars and you might hit the sky. =]
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Except goalies of course…
/kidding
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Pop Quiz
Let’s guess which one 99.99999% of men would rather sleep with?
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She’s such an anomaly – one of the few curvy sex symbols out there. And I wish there were more role models like her, she’s gorgeous.
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No, it’s not an anomaly (Salma Hayek, Mae West, Rita Hayworth, Marilyn Monroe. . ).
Most men prefer women with some curves. The idea that men like women like Twiggy is a myth and honestly, it’s one that I think women perpetrate largely upon themselves.
More to the point, nothing is sexier than self-confidence.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 22, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is (again) getting OT, but it is today. Look at the names you mentioned – three of the four are long gone. The 40s and 50s were a much different time for body image, it was in the 60s that it started to shift.
And whether it’s self-perpetuated or not, most magazines/TV networks/movie studios are still run by men. The fashion models they use and the actresses they cast are more likely to be Twiggy-esque than Hendricks-esque. A lot of men might prefer a more normal looking woman but the magazines, TV shows and movies still make money and it makes women think that’s what they have to be like to be pretty – regardless of how true that is.
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The head of America’s Next Top Model is a woman, no? And the vast majority of women on that show are hideously thin and unattractive.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which is even more ironic, considering that Tyra Banks isn’t exactly skinny.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
But Tyra tries to have curvy models on the show and defends their beauty to those who advocate that models should be skinny.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
Oh so she puts the token huskeroos model on the show to lose to the twigs early on. That makes it better.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Like you know the order of eliminations in that show.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
My wife watches enough that I know when they get down to the last few contestants there’s never a curvy chick.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Actually the plus sized model won a few years ago. Please don’t judge me for knowing that.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll agree that the names are old, but I’m also pretty hopeless when it comes to pop-culture references.
I agree that the majority of stuff that’s out there, particularly in the fashion world is rail-thin, but I think that’s largely a function of the fact that designers literally want human coat hangers so that their work hangs a certain way.
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Extreme differential in your selections of models—from playboy to fashion runway. Neither are the norm.
I choose something in-between—more balanced methinks. I think most women like to buy off-the-rack clothes that require little-to-no alterations.
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by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to second this. It says some pretty depressing things about our society.
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I genuinely think you’re undermining your own argument by continuing to harp on this Twilight thing. I would vehemently oppose any idea that men are objectified to the same degree as women; Taylor Lautner v. Rob Pattinson might be widespread and in your face, but there isn’t an entire industry dedicated to making you look like them. Nor is there the same sort of societal pressure that says you should base your own sense of self-worth on how much you look like them.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Dec 22, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nor is there the same sort of societal pressure that says you should base your own sense of self-worth on how much you look like them.
Not true. Obviously it’s a pretty nuanced issue, but there’s definitely a societal influence on men to look attractive.
In order to get women. Not FOR women, but to GET women. Because we are things to have, not people.
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by PrincessPowerful on Dec 22, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
You can really spin that either way, for either gender.
by David Getz on Dec 22, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I give shit away and I’m not dressed like that.
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I can testify to this. Ovechwin personally delivered me a scarf when I was in DC and she was not dressed like that.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but if I wanted to change the in-game experience to better suit my tastes, getting rid of the Red Rockers is down around “put potpourri in the bathrooms” on my to-do list.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
…I’ve obviously never been in the men’s bathrooms but I’d think potpourri for them should be high on anyone’s list. Just sayin’.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ew. This thread just took a disturbing turn…and that’s saying something :P
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
And people can appreciate what the Red Rockers bring to the atmosphere of a game and the customer service while acknowledging their other qualities.
Or what J.P. said.
(I’ve had this typed, thought I had hit post, but apparently didn’t.)
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 22, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
If Laich was 5’5" and 160 lbs he wouldn’t be there either.
Damnit, or what JP said.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, sure, but then he wouldn’t be an athlete. If his face was more like DJ King’s but he played the same way he plays now I’d still like him for what he is – the attractiveness is a bonus. It’s not what defines him being here, his abilities are.
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You’d like him less though.
Multiple studies have shown that “beautiful” people are generally thought of in more positive aspects, make more money, and their personalities are more easily uncovered(which can relate to interviews for jobs among other things).
Granted sports players are almost totally exempt from this.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Hope this doesn’t divert this too far, but one bright line I use is whether the person in question is whether the lines on the clothing are designed to call attention to the attributes underneath it. Gymnasts, swimmers and other athletes wear form fitting clothing because it’s functional. But glitter and sequins on any outfit undermine an argument that function is the intention.
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by miseenjeu on Dec 22, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If your avatar didn’t look like that, would she be there?
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
Oy. She’s curvy and empowered and relatively covered up. Plus I’m not using her to sell anything or appeal to anyone, I just think she’s cute.
…but if you think I’m being a hypocrite, I’ll gladly change it.
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How is she empowered? And how does selling anything matter? You’ve already said that the RRs don’t sell anything, so if there is a non-seller’s exemption then shouldn’t they apply? People come to the Rink for hockey talk, your avatar just happens to grace the side of the page and people can choose to view it or not. People go to Caps games, the RRs happen to “grace” the crowd and people can view them or not. Both are intentionally chosen to appeal to a particular definition of beauty. Neither have ever given me a boner, so what’s the BFD.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
She’s showing, like, an inch of skin and looks like she could kick your ass. And she’s empowered because I’m a woman and think there’s something strong about her and her sexuality. I’m not against women being sexy. Plus I think she’s funny, she’s a throwback from the days of the pinup girls (yes, objectification, blah blah blah…women could barely penetrate the workforce back then, they had bigger issues).
And the RRs are much more visible – and harder to avoid – than my avatar.
That being said, your honor, my avatar is no longer the chick in the jersey. Happy?
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
Not really, I liked having some eye candy around the place.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
by Rob Parker on Dec 22, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don’t go to a lot of games at the VC since I live in NY, but I’ve been to a few games the past few years and honestly can’t remember ever seeing a Red Rocker. They can’t be that hard to avoid.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
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her only purpose for even being there is to be hot.
Hey, they throw faux-burritos (fauxrritos?) and tee shirts too.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Good lord, man, what are you doing???
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Haha. He trolled his own blog.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
hey have dimples and hug grandmas and kiss each other on the cheek, that’s cute and adorable….
Then why doesn’t it work that way in real life. The only people ever to tell me my dimples are cute are my mother and much older women.
It does seem to be a bit of a double standard though, with some good reasons(darn we men and our ulterior motives!). Watching the olympics or tennis if a guy says a certain women in the sport is pretty(usually blurbed out as “wow she’s hot”) its turned around as sexist.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Watching the olympics or tennis if a guy says a certain women in the sport is pretty(usually blurbed out as "wow she’s hot") its turned around as sexist.
And see, that doesn’t bother me. With a few exceptions, those women are not there or successful because of their looks – it might have other side bonuses but what you’re appreciating is her ability to play whatever sport she’s playing. If you happen to notice that she’s attractive, well…so be it. That’s what she is, I have no issue with that.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Carl Putnam on Dec 22, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
So the bottom line is that you don’t approve of cheerleading (or at least the version of it that the Red Rockers do) and fan outreach as requiring any ability whatsoever?
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I think cheerleaders at the high school and college level are some of the most elite and underrated athletes around. I think the work they put in is never fully appreciated by those outside but is well beyond anything I would have been willing to do.
Fan outreach is great, I have no problem with it in theory but doing it takes nowhere near the same level of commitment, talent level or wear and tear and sacrifice. And there’s a way to do fan outreach without appealing to the lowest common denominator among the male species – this isn’t it. That’s all I’m saying.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Some pro teams have cheerleaders that are every bit the same quality of athletes as college cheerleaders, obviously you can’t really do that with hockey because, you know, it’s played on ice.
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I guess something like the Laker Girls would fall into that category – they at least dance (and some of them go on to be pop stars and American Idol judges). And in that case, again, it makes a bit more sense and takes effort and work and serves some sort of purpose, even if I don’t think it’s a necessity. It’s part of the culture of that sport and/or team.
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It seems to me that the red rockers probably put forth effort, work, and serve some sort of purpose. Is it the position you have a problem with, or the outfits? Not really snark, just curious.
I’m sure they put forth a little work and effort and they serve the purpose of handing out free crap – but I don’t think it’s a purpose that needs to be served by a squad of women in outfits like that.
So I guess it’s a little of both. I liked when they used to have the coed group of college-age kids – some of whom were pretty girls, but there were boys in there, too – handing out stuff in the stands.
And if they’d stuck with that I’d have about 3000 fewer comments on the Rink ;)
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, more like the Nat Pack, or whatever they’re called?
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Exactly. Same purpose, different presentation, friendly to all. Why is that a bad thing? The ONLY reason to switch from that to what we have now is to add sex appeal for the portion of the market that feels their hockey games don’t have enough jiggle.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wait… what’s that word you used? Market? Refresh my memory – isn’t that a critical component of most business decisions?
And these girls don’t jiggle – stop with the gross distortions.
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It is. Tell me, was the building empty before they got there? I forget.
And they do, darling. I was there last night and one of them was bouncing up and down like a moron. Whether they are choreographed to do so or not, they wear clothing specifically designed to show off the fact that boobs bounce when you jump.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So much anger at young women choosing to do something they enjoy…
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
oi.
I maintain my position from when we discussed this two months ago.
Not everything involving attractive women is objectifying and or has some terrible underlying misogyny. I’m sure the women that are the Red Rockers would tell you that they have a great time doing it and really enjoy interacting with the fans the way they do. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be doing it.
I think the most anti-feminist thing about this is discounting what these girls are doing as nothing but a needless addition to the sport.
As well as, calling them morons because they are jumping.
I don’t know about you but after every goal or anything exciting I jump up and down. My girlfriend, who has ample tracks of land, does as well. I think we both look like we’re just having fun.
And their clothing? Paaaa-leassseee. They were yoga outfits.
I found the Becca H approved 2011-12 Red Rocker Unis.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I agree with everything up until the shot at Becca – this isn’t about her being a prude (she’s not).
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I’m not calling her a prude. She has said many times she doesn’t like the outfits. The pictured outfits are much less revealing than the current ones that really aren’t that revealing.
You can edit\delete my post. It wasn’t meant as offensive, just funny.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Why are the members of such group s either predominately or exclusively young females?
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Because American cheerleading (or the equivalent) is predominantly female.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Why as any group of cheer type people predominately or exclusively young females?
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
(Answer: it has a lot to do with cheering being something analyzed as very feminine in society so it’s not something many parents are rushing their young boys into or something most young boys are asking to do)
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
American society. For example, cheerleading in Japan is very male.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I always forget the internet is international territory when using broad and sweeping generalizations.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
JUST SAYING. That said, I’m glad you found my sock.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
What should I do with it? Are you going to an upcoming Caps game or the Winter Classic. Email me as this is trending sOTck.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Use it as a golf club cover. Or use it to wax your car. I don’t need it back :-).
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, the Red Rockers audition FAQ encourages both men and women to audition.
Less drama, more hockey
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Now there is. There wasn’t at first, they changed it the day the announcement went out after there was a lot of anger directed at the idea. The original outfits were skirts, too.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
So you’d probably fairly say that the team responded to market pressures and adjusted its presentation of the cheer squad, no?
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They made it slightly less offensive and opened it up to men (even though very few men responded because by then it was seen as an all-female thing). Huzzah for small victories.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, it’s cool – I just wanted to rec your content but note that last part.
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My girlfriend, who has ample tracks of land
Best. Euphemism. Ever.
This game is all about overcoming diversity.
by D'ohboy on Dec 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously. That’s like Amish porn.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure it’s a Monty Python reference.
"Ovechkin has been playing more like Boy George than DMX." - Drunk Guy
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 22, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe not have people doing any of it. Maybe then I could talk to my friends and just pay attention to the reason that I bought a ticket.
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You can do that anyway. I’ve gone through several games and literally not even realized the Red Rockers were there.
Drunk Guy: "Alex Ovechkin is playing more like Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan this year."
Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
I don’t get why they have Red Rockers dancing during the game, seems… unnecessary.
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Pleasure and pain, though directly opposite are contrived to be constant companions.
Then why doesn’t it work that way in real life. The only people ever to tell me my dimples are cute are my mother and much older women.
Maybe your dimples aren’t really that cute.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’ll scan up proof to counter this! Once upon a time, my infant self won the state wide JC Penny competition for “most beautiful baby!”
But…point being they’re only cute on baby faced people. I’ve always been told I look much older than I am.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
I’m deeply offended that Brooks Laich is objectified by women who oggle at him while he’s just trying to go out and do a job. What about Jason Chimera? What about DJ King? How do you think Mark Ricci feels?
The Kolzilla PR department has advised me to post a link to my work at Inside Hockey, so here it is.
www.Insidehockey.com
DJ King has no feelings.
I don’t think the comparing of the Red Rockers to hockey players works very well in the grand scheme of defending that the red rockers aren’t “whatever.”
It is slightly humorous though.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
So you’re saying we should make The Rink men only?
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Giving new meaning to the term “the Semin lobby”.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Do not put words on my keyboard. :-)
I love the balance the XX’s provide us testosterone-filled men.
However, if you “long for the day” then you made need to institute new admissions policies. We can have an application, send photos around of new members, and get approvals.
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Eh, I was pretty much kidding. Unlike some, I have no real problem acknowledging and appreciating the physical attributes that a person – male or female – may have.
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I know you were. But – it would be fun to send photos around for admissions approval, as I know some old-line country clubs out here still do.
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J.P. – Are you the one who advised Slats to draft Derek McIlrath in the first round last year?
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Beagle...
I have never heard anyone call Jay Beagle “cute” or “cuddly”
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wow…that is quite the deer in the headlights photo, ain’t it.
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In times like these, I turn to the lumberjack
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
I'm here ladies, ready for action?
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was going to go with “cute” and “adorable”…but apparently that’s just my lady parts talking.
Less drama, more hockey
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
That’s sexist!
Stop idolizing the (fe)male form. mkay, snark aside
Nobody will ever win the Battle of the Sexes. There’s just too much fraternizing with the enemy. ~Henry Kissinger
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Think of all the things you could do with him and 3 bottles of Chocolate…
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
OFB just lit a cigarette…
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Someone photoshopped Joe Finley’s face on Matty Perreault’s body — those syrups are normal size!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Did you catch Engbloom use the phrase “Beagle hounding the the puck” during an intermission?
Terrible.
Did he? That’s the wittiest thing he’s said in 15 years.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 22, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m surprised he didn’t bust a crack about Johansson and playing with or against his dad.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
That might be only the second-worst pun of the night, behind Elliot’s “Fayne feigned interest in defending Chimera” or some such.
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I would actually give serious props to anyone on TV who says Ovechkin is looking sheepish these days
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Is that like the football announcer who said that the Eagles and Michael Vick were in a dogfight with the other team?
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I long for the day when a prospect will be called up, perform well, and not have the words "cute" or "adorable" used to describe him.
I’m sorry that I poked in and then left the computer. But, to get to the actual point: do you really? Is it the sort of caution you think should be added to the house rules? “No objectification of people based on their appearance” would seem to be a reasonable guideline, if it’s across the board.
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"I wake up in the middle night frustrated because we lost out in the first round and I want to see our players hoist the Stanley Cup." -Brooks Laich
by CapitalCentre on Dec 22, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Only if we can still get the kissing gif.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
See, I think that’s going overboard because frankly I don’t see it as an issue around here. Rarely do we have a problem with that kind of thing here (and if we do, I’m not aware of it) – even people who disagree w/ me on the Red Rocker thing agree that they’re generally not the target audience for them, and most of the guys seem to understand, if grudgingly so, when we talk about how pretty Brooks Laich is. They know we appreciate his hockey skills above all else (and more importantly know we generally know what we’re talking about even if we do gush about someone’s looks on occasion).
Plus I doubt many of us are saying "he’s so cute!!" about Gordo kissing MarJo on the cheek and meaning it in an "I want to jump his bones" type of way. I took it to mean cute in a puppy-like sort of way, which is less objectification and more just observing the youth and excitement of a kid scoring his first goal, you know?
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The epic coming-out-party recap thread when, for basically the first time, the female commenters felt comfortable talking about this stuff, is still one of my Japers’ highlights. Y’all were on fire that night.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I remember that…it was pretty much my fault. The downfall of the Rink had begun.
Fuck it, I’m asking for a trade to OFB.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
downfall?
actually, there are lurkers here (hello!) from other teams who enjoy the Rink because it’s a place where there isn’t rampant misogyny, where saying Andrew Gordon’s peck on MoJo was adorable is OK, where you can be female, but that’s really quite secondary to being a hockey fan.
Becca, I don’t think you have the requisite love of Joe Finley to go to OFB :) cute baby, btw
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I hope so…also I trust you guys know that I’m at least partially kidding when I gush over the boys. Some of them, yes, are very beautiful men but I’ve loved this team for years and it’s hardly been the hottest team in the NHL every year.
And thanks, it’s my niece :) Isn’t she cu-…er, adorab-…um……isn’t she tiny?
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remarkably. What a tongue!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I loved that thread. So many “cutes” and “bubbles” were flying around that night. I regretted being a lurker back then so I didn’t join in on the fun.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed it (from one who was there).
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hadn’t seen it as an issue, but J.P.’s question suggested that maybe it is. It rankled somehow, at any rate.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 22, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, he’s just being a crotchety old…er, wonderful, benevolent man :D
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he’s just mad we never call him cute during those strange hamburger-in-a-lunchbox CSN shows
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Sorry, but those words accurately describe Perreault and Gordon, in that order. Beyond them, I doubt I’d use those words.
"It's always good to have vikings."
And when I use it, it’s pretty much like I’d be describing my own son.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I claim breaklance’s “much older women” exemption to describe any player who was born after I graduated from college as “cute” or “adorable” (if he is)
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Then why doesn’t it work that way in real life. The only people ever to tell me my dimples are cute are my mother and much older women.
Here’s the quote
Don’t make fun of my obsession over ketchup dispensers ever again! ;) Ted Leonsis
Just for fun, current points % by division:
Central: .597
Pacific: .594
Southeast: .574
Northwest: .543
Atlantic: .521
Northeast: .506
Not bad for us, and not surprising to see it stack up West v. East the way it does.
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Thanks, I was trying to figure out how that worked. I think my brain has already turned off for the holiday…
Less drama, more hockey
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, in a system where you could technically go winless and be at .500. But, as that’s how they hand out the points in the regular season, I think it’s more useful than strict winning%.
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
Well look at the teams in each division. The atlantic as the 2 worst team in the league in their division, despite having the first and 2nd place team and another top 16 team in the division.
Northeast seems to be the weakest division right now. Even the one team that wold make the playoffs would be seeded 8th if not for the guaranteed division champ spot.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
The NorthLeast, amirite?
(Seriously nice to see the South East doing well)
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Agree. It is good to have a competitive division. Makes the games more exciting and challenges the Caps. Tampa Bay games are on my short list of favorites now.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Worst one is the Northeast! What’s up over there? Aside from the fact that they have Toronto and Ottawa in their division. And Buffalo’s have an terrible year.
The Atlantic has the extremes for teams — the 2 best teams of the East and the 2 worst ones.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
Interesting article on JC. I’m interested in why on the PK he has the lowest Quality of teammates rating.
It would seem however, the big stars of the PK are John Erksine and Marcus Johansson. Big John appears to be playing the 2nd hardest time on the PK on the team, behind Scott Hannan who’s be thrown into the deep end on the matter, but with the 2nd best teammates to defend with.
I’m not the best at interpretting Rel Corsi Qoc etc, but I can dare to compare. Big John plays harder minutes on the PK than Zdeno Chara, with worse teammates. Chara seems to have slightly better corsi. However Erksine has a lower GAON/60 and a much higher Blocked Shots per 60 at 26.2 over Chara’s 19.2 and the kicker on that is that when John Erksine is off ice on the PK, blocked shots for the team goes down. But when Chara is off ice on the PK, his team’s blocked shots go up.
So the stats definitely seem to indicate John Erksine is turning in a great performance on the PK
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Erskine for Norris1
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 22, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
When he was on NHL Live, he mentioned that the Caps came to him with the extension offer about a month ago. It was around that time that his play really seemed to pick up (though we all were giving credit to the mustache). I would think it must have been good for him to get that vote of confidence.
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So the raise must indicate that they approved of how he looked from the beginning of the season—perhaps because of the work he did over the summer on improving his skating and conditioning. He’s faster than he use to be.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Is anyone else surprised by how poorly the Devils played the second half of the game (and, really, this whole year)? This team has a lot of either excellent players or really good ones. Kovalchuk, Elias, Zajac, Langenbrunner, Clarkson… Not all are world-beaters and missing Parise has definitely hurt them, but their forwards aren’t terrible. (They have no depth on defense, but whatever.)
If you ever thought the Caps had given up on Boudreau during their losing streak, you didn’t see this team. They have no love for McLean whatsoever.
Anyone have an image of the Heinz Field seating chart for the WC? I was going to post a “Where are you sitting?” FanPost at some point…
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My brother said he didn’t see a ticket listed at less than $400. He sold a pair of upper-level seats for $250 each.
There is no problem a hammer cannot either fix or make irrelevant.
Perhaps a reminder to check the Rink Rat exchange. I have one good one avail for face.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
my $130 nosebleed tickets buried up in 522 row AA, I wonder if I will need a sherpa to get there.
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i believe you are 10 rows lower than me!
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It doesn’t seem like those prices are right. One of my friends whom I know is going said his family got tickets at nearly a grand a seat.
By those standards they don’t seem that high, the pic’s ones, seeing as the tickets I got for tomorrow’s game (a premium game) are still 100 a seat in the 400 section of the VC.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Those prices are what they were charging STHs.
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Darn my family for tossing up ours in 2003!
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
those are the prices STHers paid for their WC seats. I assume that’s also what they sold for to the lucky lottery winners.
Caps games this season have tiered pricing, so games against Pittsburgh are mega-expensive. For 400-level center seats, weeknight games against less-than-exciting opponents, like Florida, are $65, and increase from there.
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I’ve noticed. As the poor college kid, most of the games I’ve gone to are the premium ones ironically. 3 years going to the home opener(was becoming a tradition that initially was based on being really bored one weekend and a whim), and a couple flyer’s or pens games that happen to occur on a major break being they are the best time when you go to WVU
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
This site has one that’s a bit bigger. http://www.winter-classic-tickets.com/SeatingChart.aspx?VenueID=30&EventID=1526243
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JP – you are one step ahead of me. I thought of the same thing. I’d love to know who is sitting near to my son and me.
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God.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Strong enough breeze, you might end up back in MD.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
True. I believe our seats are somewhere in Cleveland.
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God, I hope it’s me ;)
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by Ovechwin on Dec 22, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Press Box
Sigh..ned,
DJ King
Mr. Nasty
Brads
The First Gordon
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Calculating this season’s NCC/60 is going to be fun.
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by Rather Bengt on Dec 22, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
If anyone saw the report that Tom Poti wasn’t practicing, (semi)good news on him and #26 per Brian McNally:
Was just a rest day for #Caps defenseman Tom Poti, according to Bruce Boudreau. F Matt Hendricks will at least be “eligible” to play.
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I can’t help but read that as “we’re resting him because we don’t want his groin to explode again.”
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As long as it’s not “we’re resting him because his groin DID explode again”…I’m fine with that. Wouldn’t mind a few others taking a day off (although then people might think they’re not working hard…)
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what, you don’t want comments along the line of: he’s taking the day off because he ate fried food and had sex last night!!!!
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From Katie:
A. Gordon got a text from Crosby last night congratulating him on his 1st NHL goal. They played together as kids in Nova Scotia. #Caps
That’s awesome, classy move by Sid.
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Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
by SmallZ827 on Dec 22, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A. Gordon should say thanks by rearranging his face on Thursday.
/Go Flyerz1!
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by zephyr on Dec 22, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It’s a trap!
(And they also work out together in the summer, fwiw)
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by J.P. on Dec 22, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or give it to Broad Street Hockey.
Warning: I started watching hockey in 2007. So, yeah. Heh.
by Laich Button on Dec 23, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
We should just point out that Ovi did not text Gordon. What a jerk!
Everything sounds smarter in Tikkanesse....
He should have texted the scoreboard at the intermission with “Ovi luvs Gordon!”
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 22, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing AG’s actions after his goal, I’m sure someone /whistle was a little too jealous to send out congrats.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Interestingly, if you watch the clip from Versus the color commentator (was it Eliot?) makes a point to single out Ovechkin patting Gordo on the head and says something very positive along the lines of “there’s Ovechkin, being a good captain”. Really liked that moment.
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Saw that too. It was a nice moment.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Cindy was hoping Gordon would kiss him on thursday….
Everything sounds smarter in Tikkanesse....
Not to butt in, but cut that out, please.
by Chris Burton on Dec 22, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
using “cindy” in place of Sidney Crosby.
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Don’t kill my fun. We all have dumb nicknames for guys we don’t like. The funny thing is that everyone knows who you mean when you say Cindy. I don’t think it’s anything more than a butchering of his name.
Everything sounds smarter in Tikkanesse....
Nicknames are one thing; tired, overused ones (and especially ones that imply being called a woman is some sort of insult) are another. We try to avoid that kind of thing around here, if you don’t mind.
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by Becca H on Dec 22, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but it’s something we don’t do here.
Plus, it’s unnecessarily sexist. But I’d hate to start that argument again.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Dec 22, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I yelled at a Flyers fan for doing that a few weeks ago – he seemed genuinely surprised that I got upset, I don’t think it ever occurred to him that it was insulting to women. Someone else spelled it out for him by pointing out that as someone with friends who were homosexual, he wouldn’t call someone “gay” as an insult.
Funny what we don’t think about. Anyway.
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Sometimes it really is just a case of not thinking rather than not caring. I hadn’t really thought of it that way until I started following Japers. I most definitely agree, but I hadn’t thought of it that way before.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
And I respectfully disagree with this standard and this particular battle. I think it is possible to use this—and similar—things as nothing more than a silly, meaningless insult. But I saw the debate on a similar point in this vain last week (on the standards) and can agree that I’m not going to let my personal preferences and opinion get in the way of what is always outstanding discussion.
I shall find another way to reference He Whom Shall Not Be Named. :)
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Just to be clear, for most of us we’re just tired of it. It’s overused and not funny. Come up with something creative and use it a few times, and that’d be fine. But Cindy or Crysby or Philthy or whatever — they just grate on the nerves now due to overuse.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s spelled “Laich”
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Neuvy was the NHL’s 2nd star last night!
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I was mildly surprised that he didnt get a star of the game, not that I would take one away from any of the 3 that got them either, but he would have been deserving.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
Keep the faith!!!!!!
by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Agree completely. As I was walking out, I said to our seat neighbors that Neuvy must be one of the stars. Was totally surprised. What does it say when the local writers see 3 not-Neuvy Caps as stars of the night, but a league-wide panel (or however they decide) sees Neuvy (and not another Cap) as one of the best in the NHL last night?
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 22, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he might be but only because of the shot totals…honestly, was I the only one who saw the 36 shots and think “gee, it didn’t feel like that many…” They had some flurries but it never felt like the rink was tilted that much (at least not towards Neuvy) and a lot of the shots they did get seemed like they hit him pretty square.
Don’t get me wrong, Neuvy was very good, but I didn’t feel like he saved the game for his team. Maybe that’s just me…
The NHL bases their three stars more on sheer numbers, I think, doubtful that people are watching the games all that closely barring some spectacular play or another, or a really big rivalry game. It’s the same as when I’d hear analysts talk about how good the Caps were playing early in the season – we know that’s not true but the record shows it.
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I see what you are saying. While he had a ton of saves, he didn’t have to make any really spectacular ones to save the game or bail the team out. They seemed more or less solid in front of him, and forced low-danger shots etc. It was still just a very high number.
I like Laich, but I <3 Green
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by RockinRed4Life on Dec 22, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
While he had a ton of saves, he didn’t have to make any really spectacular ones…
….he did a great job of squaring up to the shooters last night.
I think both statements, put together, explain the greatness of Neuvy. Welcome back, Truth.
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Caps have had a lot of nights this year where the opposing goalie faced a lot of shots, but probably didn’t deserve a star because he’d actually had a pretty easy night. ’bout time they had one of their own.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
And finally the few times there was a fat rebound hanging out there it was— for a change—on the stick of a Caps’ player for a good clear.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think the local guys occasionally try and recognize milestones, rather than just great overall play. To take nothing away from the guys who did get named last night, but usually when a guy scores his first goal (or #250), he gets a star.
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The great thing about this flame war is that it’s perfect for the cold weather.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
I think I wore my Z key out just trying to get past it. That was a lot of re-rehashed OT.
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Via Corey
Alzner on “We want Pittsburgh”: It gets us fired up. It doesn’t get us fired up when they boo on the power play, but that gets us fired up.
So I guess the players like it. Can’t wait to see what happens and see if we are truly out of the funk instead of just beating up on crappy teams like we should.
"Ovechkin is as subtle as a shot of vodka."
The players may talk about how much they do or don’t hate each other but they all are competitors and each player has a genuine respect for the other team because those games are always hard fought, fun battles, and some of the best competition they’ll play all season.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
It doesn’t get us fired up when they boo on the power play,
Man, that is so funny. I laughed so hard at that.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Beat me to it. Sad part is that it was happening in a tie game. So yeah, cringeworthy crowd.
"So if I drank a bottle of rum (not really, it was about 2/3 of a bottle) starting at 1p and continuing through the Caps game does that mean I need to do that every Caps game from here on?"
"I would, but I’d also get yourself onto the organ transfer list as well just in case."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 22, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
We’re so damn spoiled. Drives me nuts – I get it, but it drives me nuts.
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You’re begging for the pirate comic, aren’t you?
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure, but I think he knows some of the guys on the Caps PP.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 22, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, so start chanting “we want Pittsburgh’s power play or something that is more effective than our current power play which, objectively, can be assessed as lacking from time to time”
That way it’s one constant chant for the entire time they’re skating back to fetch a cleared puck.
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IIRC, Alzner also enjoys the counting chant “1-2-3 etc. It’s all your fault”
Don’t make fun of my obsession over ketchup dispensers ever again! ;) Ted Leonsis
Alzner just seems to enjoy everything about the Caps fan experience. He also loves “Unleash the Fury”
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So while there seems to be a consensus that MP>Mojo this season, I think Mojo>MP last night, no?
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Dec 22, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions
MarJo gets better in some way just about every game.
Compared to MP, Marcus seems to be in another world when it comes to play-making and passing. He is only slightly behind MP as far as finishing his own chances.
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I was saying this to F&B last night…I barely can tell what makes a good or bad skater, but last night MarJo was just amazing me. It’s like he was dancing on ice out there.
Less drama, more hockey
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think anyone’s ever thought MP’s skating ability was in the same league as MarJo’s. It’s other things in his game (positioning, shifty-ness, board skills) that MP has now that MarJo is still adjusting to.
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Effortless skating and being quick to change direction. Easiest way is to look at the polar opposites on the team — Steckel being one of the worst and Green or MarJo being the best. Steckel looks like he is working very hard to build and maintain what little speed he has and other than putting on the brakes, he can’t change momentum very well.
Green or MarJo are rarely caught flat footed, change direction on a dime and are able to get to speed quickly and rather effortlessly. They have a gait to it that just makes it look easy for what they’re able to do on skates.
Good video here, though it’s old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UBp7bJu9U
Fedorov and Mogilny showing off their wheels.
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the production values, the hair, those jerseys!!!
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There’s another with like Bure sporting the worst mullet of all time. It was positively Lemieuxillian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6xGkgm69w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Sz7um3Rk4
Saw this when I was looking for some other skating videos — some real spygate stuff of someone filming a Canadiens practice.
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though I wonder why they keep Gill on the ice if all he is going to do is skate around with a clipboard instead of a stick…
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He was on fire last night and a joy to watch in the highlights. But what do you think of the MP versus Mackan analysis at Insider2?
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 22, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think Neil captured the ATL game when Semin scored his hat-trick and was generally on fire.
Mackan is getting harder opposition (by a lot) with worse teammates (by a lot) and has triple the sample size to smooth out noise. Perreault has yet to play 10 games with the squad this season.
The other thing that really draws my eye; Mackan almost never takes a penalty and draws a ton of them. Matty draws not-so-many penalties and takes them almost as often as Semin did last season.
I’d rather have had Perreault up here to start the year and Mackan in Sweden or the AHL, not burning a year of his ELC at 19, but he’s acquitted himself reasonably well for a player that age.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 22, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Dec 23, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Mackan was awesome last night. MP was the hero the game before. The good news is that both of those kids are alright. I’m pretty excited about where Mackan is going to be in another year or two. I saw him looking like what I can only describe as “fast Backstrom” at a couple of points last night. His ceiling is not quite that high, but he’s going to be a really useful player.
MP will be a useful NHL player too I think, but I’m less sure if that happens in DC or elsewhere.
And we can expect both of them to have big ups and downs this year and next.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
We’re over 1,000 comments in the clips… In December. On a non-gameday. Not bad.
You had me at no problem.
All part of JP’s evil plan for page views when he brought up the Red Rockers.
Less drama, more hockey
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 22, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Andrew Gordon and Jay Beagle
so many comments, it’s making my head hurt.
Anyways I hope Andrew Gordon and Jay Beagle become a permanent fixture to the team in the near future. I really like the way both of them play and it makes some of our other players expandable.
I hoped for a little more from Beagle. A cheap and young fourth liner like that is pretty valuable. I just don’t know that he shows the same speed as the other guys, or maybe he just needs to work on his anticipation so that he looks like he plays faster. But I also wouldn’t say I’m disappointed by him.
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Laichitor: "He has AIDS?"
He’s looking better to my eyes the last few games I’ve watched him in than any of the previous games. But that may be a small sample size
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 22, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
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