Monday Caps Clips: Home Sweep Home
Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's win from us, Vogs, Masisak, Carrera (blog, gamer), DCEx (blog), Caps365 video (Boudreau, players), Beninati, Frankovic, DC Pro Sports Report, Capitals News Network, RMNB, Puckhead's Thoughts, OFB, SB Nation DC, TBD (here and here), Broad Street Hockey (Flyers), clydeorama (pics), Caps In Pictures (pics) and bridgetds (pics).
- A detailed look at Braden Holtby's first start. [The Goalie Guild; more on Holtby at Caps Snaps]
- All signs point to Michal Neuvirth being (understandably) tired. [50 Mission Caps]
- Should Gabby keep Alexander Semin on the top line? [Insider2]
- A couple of A.M. radio hits to start the week, with Bruce Boudreau on the The Edge (105.9 FM) at 8:20 and Mike Knuble on Elliot in the Morning (101.1 FM) at 8:30.
- Um, there's something wrong with Hockey's Future's November Calder Poll. [HF]
- Alex Ovechkin shoots... another commercial. [Alex Ovetjkin]
- Remembering a crazy night. [Caps Strange But True]
- Finally, happy 42nd birthday to Keith Jones.
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In honor of Braden's first NHL start and umm...second win (from a shoebox in my basement)
by wittcap79 on Nov 8, 2010 7:12 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Very sweet. Perfect for the morning. Holtby’s good with the press too, already commenting on where he needed to improve his game with rebound control.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 7:22 AM EST up reply actions
Most satisfying game. I went to sleep with a smile on my face. The Flyers may have been tired but they fought hard. And despite the few times the Caps had a brain cramp, they kept it to one shift or one play, not five minutes or more.
I found Green’s observation interesting, that even Ovi and Nicky and Semin were dumping the puck in and chasing it down. IMO this is the kind of tweaking and adaptation that will serve the team well come April.
I’m also finding tht Green overall is sounding quite mature and much more of a leader this season. I like hearing and watching this Green. He has rookies under his wing now.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
Agreed, the lightbulb seems to have gone off for Green this year. While talk is cheap, his words and overall manner off the ice indicate a serious progression in terms of maturity. I see it carrying over to his game on the ice as well, for the better.
Haha, a new Sasha face!

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by boutros23 on Nov 8, 2010 7:39 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
He caught a whiff of Carcillo.
I have a twitter.
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"Victory is sweetest when you've known defeat"
by Ovechwin on Nov 8, 2010 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
looks like it could be his new war face

LET'S GO CAPS!!!
by Elliotte on Nov 8, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Can I get back the 90 seconds or so that I spent reading the recap at BSH? I don’t know why F&B and G.O.D. bothered to try to engage in the discussion.
"It's always good to have vikings."
They’re angels. That thread was full of LULZes and “GO FLYERS!@!” worthy comments.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
Their second period thread caption:
This is Braden Holtby. He’s not that good. Remind him.
Classsssssssssy
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"Victory is sweetest when you've known defeat"
They’ve got Bobrovsky. No one’s “that good” compared to him. Because, y’know, a relatively unknown goalie has never gotten off to a hot start in the NHL prior to there being any real book on him.
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This was awesome:
Bobrovsky looked far more solid than Holtby, who gave up a fairly weak goal to Nik Zherdev on a 2-1 to get the Flyers on the board first, a lead that was fairly quickly negated by a high Eric Fehr wrister which Bobrovsky reacted to late.
LOL.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Fehr’s goal was probably the softest of the game, even if it was nicely placed.
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I agree with that completely.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
If it was it was tipped way out, but regardless, Bob committed to going down immediately so a high shot was going to beat him. I tend to think the tips at the point of release aren’t a big deal because the tip is so soon that the goalie never had a chance to line up the original angle.
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My book on Bob – He’s a good goalie who, just like Tim Thomas and Michal Neuvirth, was playing too well for the team to want to rest him. And just like Neuvy and TT, could use a game or so off.
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C’mon….what went through your heads when the Zherdev goal went in?
Tell your girlfriend to stop texting me.
Thought he probably should have had it. But he’s playing his very first NHL game.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Zherdev’s got a good shot, too. I really wanted a replay from behind the play to see if it was a great shot or a misplay.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 8, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
From where I was sitting, Richards coming down open on the other side made me think the pass option. Maybe Holtby was thinking that too. If it was just Zherdev coming down, I’d suspect he would have gone out and got it.
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BSH
I will absolutely defend those guys. It’s true, there’s some crap you have to ignore, but once you do there are folks there who are smart hockey fans and are actually willing to engage. In that particular thread, the moderators, j reed, and ToddTheFox all had some really good comments. Take a look at the conversation around where I posted Green’s goals allowed stats, or we talked about his penalty killing. We didn’t convince them, but we gave them something to think about. I find it much easier to have a decent conversation at BSH than any other Atlantic or Southeast division site (but then, I pine for the return of the Patrick Division, so it’s no surprise I’d rather talk hockey with Philly fans than Tampa fans).
With all that said, this one was too ridiculous not to share, coming from a Philly fan:

Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
I miss MarioD
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll take your word for it, because I couldn’t read far enough to get to a decent comment. On the other hand, this was in the actual recap:
Green had an absolutely awful game outside of the last shot, and got the first star.
For me, that informs my opinion of them.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Well, you can start in their GDT. Nice little discussion of Caps goalie prospects.
by red army line on Nov 8, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
This one commenter said he loved playing the caps when Green is the #1 D man.
This was after the game.
When he scored the GWG.
SMH
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"Victory is sweetest when you've known defeat"
But, to be fair, Green’s GWG in their mind just proves that offense is all he’s good for. That’s all part of the narrative. The bigger point is his team-leading 30:26 on ice and 2:30 shorthanded without any goals against, and without too many memorable scoring chances against. He had a great defensive game that they’re not giving him any credit for.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
But why say you like playing against him after he scores the game winner? Does not compute.
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"Victory is sweetest when you've known defeat"
sour grapes I guess
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
And they basically ignored that the forwards he faced most were Giroux and Carter, then Powe (because of his PKing), then Richards and Zherdev. Basically playing their offensive studs. And he wasn’t on the ice for a goal against. I can’t even remember a chance, like you said. I remember one turnover that was ugly and one time when he got pinned in the zone, but neither were great chances I don’t think.
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Like it or not, that’s how most of the league views Mike Green. The question is (and what F&B and I enjoy) — can you convince them that Green is even adequate defensively. We’re not even shooting for good right now (though the stats pretty convincingly show that Mike Green is a good defenseman). Can you you convince a hostile (but mostly reasonable) audience that Mike Green isn’t terrible in his own end?
If that doesn’t sound like fun, then yeah, there’s not going to be much worth your time over there. But I dig it.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe I’m wrong, but a large segment of the league has taken notice of Green’s improvement this year. I’m not arguing he’s perfect, because that would be stupid.
I simply appreciate the banter here so much more, because we don’t wear homer glasses when talking about out team.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I suspect Hooks would disagree. I think he’d tell us we’ve got our share of homers right here.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone does. BSH is no different from any other fanbase.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Japers is no different from any other fanbase.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree.
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by J.P. on Nov 8, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It seems to me that most of the “homers” that show up on this site are either quickly educated by the regulars here or move on to other pastures. For the most part debating the pros & cons of a team (or individual player) is done in a respectful, informed manner.
I’m assuming snark.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 8, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
More likely a different meaning for “homer” than other folks will use. But I was serious. Every fan site has lots of homers.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I meant only in the fact that there are plenty of homers present.
By homer, I mean someone who follows the Caps so much that it colors how they view the rest of the league. Philly fans think Green is bad defensively because of a small sample size and because of the national storyline on him. Same thing goes for lots of non-Caps players, as seen by the Caps. For example, look at some of the crap that gets thrown Joe Thornton’s way.
We’re very different in many other ways, including the ability to recognize and get past the fact that we don’t see every player all the time. We’re more open to listen and be educated, but there are plenty of homers here.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
From what I saw of the conversation over there, homerism wasn’t really the issue, it was a tendency to be flippantly dismissive of any opinion contrary to their own, no matter how well reasoned or argued.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
What crap gets thrown Thornton’s way? And when did you start caring about the Sharks?
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That he’s actually terrible or worthless because of his playoff record (which isn’t as bad as people make it out to be, either)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
This place is by no means perfect, but I happened to read your exchanges with some of the folks over there and it was brutal in comparison. Like you said earlier, there are some knowledgeable hockey fans over there, but they’re mixed in with lot of opinionated boobs.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
They get beat down pretty well from what I see, when need be.
Where is Hooks these days? I guess we haven’t been baiting him. ;-)
"It's always good to have vikings."
Hooks went on vacation with the Penguins PP.
Many a night from yonder ivied casement, ere I went to rest,
Did I look on great Orion sloping slowly to the West.
Wasn’t on vacation in the 2nd period on Friday and Saturday nights. :(
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We absolutely have homers here too, but this site from top down is also quite critical of the Caps team, and has been quick to jump on posters here with short-sighted homer posts. I certainly have fallen into the homer trap myself and have been rightly called on it.
I don’t read BSH enough to commit on how well they evaluate their own team, but I am assuming that the site does a pretty good job.
I was, however, surprised to read such disrespect of Green in the recap. Green’s offensive d-style may not be one that the recap writer appreciates but to say that Green had a bad game last night leaves me wondering which game he was watching. And it was a defensive breakdown on the Flyers’ part to leave Green so open in the OT, no matter what style of defense he plays.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
It’s all about rep. There are still a large number of people out there that refer to Sid as “Cindy”.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yup. Especially at CI and other message boards. I just roll my eyes. That’s just stupid homerism.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Which bugs the crap out of me for other reasons. Hate him if you want, call him a whiner if you feel like it, compare his personality to that of a slab of day-old lunch meat…I don’t agree with (all of) it but people are, I suppose free to have their opinions. But good god, stop using a girl’s name as an insult. It drives me nuts whenever I see someone using my gender as a way to offend someone.
/needless rant
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by Becca H on Nov 8, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Criticizing your own team doesn’t make you not a homer. Plenty of homers at BSH, Pensburgh, PPP, but those guys are all plenty critical of their own teams.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
By the same token, praising your own team when they do something right doesn’t make you an automatic “homer”, either.
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Sorry that’s not what I meant.
I mean first that this site as I see it tries to maintain an objective stance when it comes to evaluating this team and doesn’t just fawn on the team.
And second, the moderators and posters here are quick to call out posters who are rabid homers or who have fallen into a thread where they have lost their objectivity in their arguments (I certainly have been guilty of the latter).
Either way, I disagree with the whole tone of the recap at BSH and the dissing of Green.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I also said I assumed that they did a pretty good job at evaluating their own team. So I am not disagreeing with you there.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I completely disagree with Ben on the Green quote and I made it known. But Ben is a good guy and he played net for one of the Japers’ Rink pickup games in the past.
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Good to know. I’ll remember that.
As I said I don’t wander over there very often so I don’t know what is usual at that site. And I certainly think being magmanious is always easier following a win, especially when one’s team played at the very least solidly and with grit.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Right. If you can get them to give him credit for being more than Sandis Ozolinsh it’s a win. But right now they laugh at the idea that he’s even average. They think he’s a train wreck in his own end while ignoring that pucks aren’t going in when he’s on the ice. Then they say “well he is just playing offense when he’s on.” So you manage to disclaim his D by saying he doesn’t have to play D, which is a ludicrous interpretation of hockey. If he was that bad, you’d pin him in the zone every time you got him in there. Instead, he’s a one man breakout and the Caps suffer greatly in their own end when he’s out of the lineup.
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It was pretty miserable to watch when he was out of the lineup for those few games.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with guys like Green on opposing teams is that it’s tough (for anyone with a life) to watch all 30 teams on a regular basis, so your opinion of players gets formed pretty quickly, then re-informed by stereotypes that grow up around a player. Sometimes these opinions are correct, and other times they’re not. Like any young offensive defenseman, Green had his lapses, but he’s now easily the Caps’ second-best defensive defenseman and, considering his ability to move the puck out of the defensive zone, I might even put him first ahead of Schultz.
Players develop reps and opposing fans usually don’t have the time to investigate whether those reps are true or not. For example, Chris Pronger used to have a reputation as a guy who took poorly-timed stick infractions.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
by D'ohboy on Nov 8, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
They ran a graphic on CSN of active leaders in stick infractions.
Pronger was ahead of everyone else by at least 60-70 as I recall.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Pronger also took a poorly-timed stick infraction at the end of yesterday’s game.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I was assuming snark on D’ohboy’s part, and therefore not commenting on it.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Understood and noted.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Last time I go for subtlety, I tell you what.
I’m glad SOMEBODY noticed that.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
It’s Monday.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
You just don’t understand. Pronger’s too tall to keep the blade of his stick out of the face of a guy who’s 6 foot 5
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I also think it’s funny that Pronger had to take that penalty because he lost body position to Dave Fucking Steckel. This guy is god’s gift to defense and he lost body position to the worst offensive player on our team.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 8, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The bottom line on Green’s rep: He will not shake his “all offense, soft defense” reputation until he proves it wrong in the playoffs, when everyone is watching. Until then, no matter how good his defensive zone play, he will not shake it.
You had me at no problem.
by Ninjak on Nov 8, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but again the Caps struck soon after, with Alexander Semin slamming home a pinballing puck on the power play
Wow, they won’t even give an ounce of credit to Backstrom for that sick pass to Semin.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 8, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
The Goalie Guild article is a fascinating read; they go much deeper into goalie mechanics than this casual observer ever gets.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 8, 2010 7:44 AM EST reply actions
From the Goalie Guild article, I went to the Holtbyisms article on Russian Machine Never Breaks. He is a basket-case! Did anyone notice anything like that at last nights game?
Mourning Gagne forever.
There’s been more than a little rumbling that Holtby reminds folks of Ron Hextall. I’ll be ecstatic if he turns out that strong a goalie, but I think the temperament comparisons hold a good bit of truth.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a busy dude that’s for sure. But when asked if he was superstitious because of his mannerisms he replied that it was habit, a kind of routine that he had fallen into. Holtbyisms became the fun thing for fans to watch at Hershey. And reported to us here. That game was the first time I saw Holtbyisms in action. He only did a little bit of crease cleaning at the Bruins game.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Loving this photo
From the Strange but True clip of the late Caps goalie Wayne Stephenson:

I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
I liked the idea of Neil’s latest (the Insider2 link) looking at whether Semin or Knuble makes the top line better, but I find it’s hard to get much out of the overall analysis without also taking as deep a look at what the moves do to the second line in terms of production (which is probably what Neil wanted to do, but was edited down). In other words, are the Caps’ top two lines more productive overall as 8-19-22/21-14-28 or 8-19-28/21-14-22. Obviously, the top line would be weighted more heavily in the analysis, since it gets more minutes.
Otherwise, it’s just “Semin > Knuble,” no?
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Definitely. It’s no shock that Semin makes the line better, he’s the better player. But it’s about marginal gains throughout the lineup. I’d also point out that when the SOB line gets too cute BB breaks them up. I wonder what those numbers would adjust to if BB left them together when they were playing cute, and thus ineffective.
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Interesting...
If I’m reading the rules correctly, when Bobrovsky stopped play because of his equipment problem, the Flyers should have been given a delay of game penalty. Here’s what I mean:
Minor Penalty[/b] – A minor penalty shall be imposed on any player, [b]including the goalkeeper[/b], who holds, freezes or plays the puck with his stick, skates or body in such a manner as to deliberately cause a stoppage of play. With regard to a goalkeeper, this rule applies [b]outside of his goal crease area.[/b][/i]…
shall not be stopped nor the game delayed by reasons of adjustments to clothing, equipment, skates or sticks.[/b] For an infringement of this rule, a minor penalty shall be given. No penalty should be assessed when a water bottle is delivered to a goalkeeper, however, this should be conducted during time-outs and if, in the opinion of the Referee, it is being done to intentionally delay the game, a minor penalty may be assessed.[/i] delay shall be permitted for the repair or adjustment of goalkeeper’s equipment.[/b] If adjustments are required, the goalkeeper shall leave the ice and his place shall be taken by the substitute goalkeeper immediately. For an infraction of this rule by a goalkeeper, a minor penalty shall be imposed.[/i]Am I crazy? Or was that delay of game? I think it was, personally. But then, I like understanding the rules and why things are called, or not called, in a specific way. I’ve asked the NHLOA BBoard; we’ll see if/when I get an answer. I’m really just curious, though… opinions?
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SUGAR... formatting fail!
Minor Penalty – A minor penalty shall be imposed on any player, including the goalkeeper, who holds, freezes or plays the puck with his stick, skates or body in such a manner as to deliberately cause a stoppage of play. With regard to a goalkeeper, this rule applies outside of his goal crease area.
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Play shall not be stopped nor the game delayed by reasons of adjustments to clothing, equipment, skates or sticks. For an infringement of this rule, a minor penalty shall be given. No penalty should be assessed when a water bottle is delivered to a goalkeeper, however, this should be conducted during time-outs and if, in the opinion of the Referee, it is being done to intentionally delay the game, a minor penalty may be assessed.
No delay shall be permitted for the repair or adjustment of goalkeeper’s equipment. If adjustments are required, the goalkeeper shall leave the ice and his place shall be taken by the substitute goalkeeper immediately. For an infraction of this rule by a goalkeeper, a minor penalty shall be imposed.
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Like I wrote in the recap, the Flyers got away with one.
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Haven’t been reading as much lately; sorry.
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Yup. Should have been a penalty.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll defend the refs’ actions.
What the rule clearly contemplates is a 5- or 10-minute adjustment to pads because something’s really wrong. This was different. The strap that runs under/through Bob’s skate had come undone. It was flapping loose on the ice. You can immediately see how a loose strap interfering with your skate could be a serious safety issue. Whether it’s in the rulebook or not, I’m pretty sure the refs can blow a play dead any time they perceive a safety issue.
Regardless of the actual text of the rule, I think the result was right given the particular problem he had. And so even if they went against the text of the rule, I’m OK with the Refs’ decision.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. A penalty there was not right. It was a loose strap under the skate, and he cant do his job. Not to mention, they would of preferred to keep play going.
Good non-call.
See, I don’t know about that… letter of the law, it’s a penalty. He sat on the puck outside the crease. That right there is delay of game, under the first paragraph.
Yeah, his strap was loose. That’s an equipment fault, but stopping play to make adjustments to equipment is also a delay of game. So that’s twice.
And there’s no delaying the game to repair a goalie’s equipment. That’s three times over it should technically have been a penalty. I don’t see “at the referee’s discretion” anywhere in the rule book. It’s pretty clear cut.
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My issue is, they told him to move the puck, he didn’t do it, and they made the call on him like they should have. I don’t agree with them reversing it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah; how do you reverse a penalty once it’s called?
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See, I don’t know about that… letter of the law, it’s a penalty. He sat on the puck outside the crease. That right there is delay of game, under the first paragraph.
And it’s supposed to be a ticket if you’re even 1mph over the speed limit.
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In some jurisdictions, that’s the case.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
But it’s very, very rare. Usually, there’s some wiggle room. I think the refs got together and decided that Bobrovsky’s strap could have caused him injury and that, being a Russkie, he couldn’t adequately convey that to them. So they huddled up and made the “right” call. I know, I know, it’s supposed to be a penalty, but really, I’m not steamed about this. Now, had this been the playoffs and had the Flyers come right back and scored. . . or if they had clearly interfered with the goalie…
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…or tackled Shoane Morrisonn into the goaltender….
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was the angriest I remember being during a regular season game in recent memory.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 8, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Regular season?
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We have such high expectations for this team now, it doesn’t count as the playoffs if you don’t move past the first round.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 8, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
But how do you reverse a penalty once it’s been called?
I have never seen them decide it isn’t a penalty once they call it one. Ever.
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Watch more hockey then. It happens.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 8, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I do watch a lot of hockey. I’ve just not seen it. That’s all I’m saying.
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Happens sometimes with puck over the glass delay of game. I’ve also seen it on the rare occasion the refs get it right and only give a penalty for a dive.
But the puck/glass gets reversed bcs someone saw a deflection, and the rule penalizes slinging the puck ‘directly’ out of play. It’s not waived because “oh, the player had a really good reason for breaking the rule and besides, his team got no advantage from it…”
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Right but you said you’d never seen them decide it isn’t a penalty once they call it one. Delay of Game is a great example of after a ref has called the penalty, they have a zebra meeting and over turn said penalty.
Well, I didnt say that. But I will say a ‘glass’ DOG seems more reversible than a ‘frozen’ one, since where the puck crossed the glass line and whether it touched anything en route are subject to proximity, POV, and even audible cues.
Everyone can agree that “Bob” froze the puck, under no pressure, outside the crease. No other interpretation of the event is plausible,
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What’s that supposed to mean? I’ve never seen that either and I watch my fair share of hockey.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 8, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen it more than a handful of times. One ref will call a penalty, then discuss it with the other ref, or even with a linesman, and it gets overturned. It’s not an everyday occurrence, but it’s something you see more than once or twice a year.
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I’ve seen it happen a couple of times on goaltender interference calls. One ref will call goaltender interference, and then after a conference, they’ll wave it off as incidental contact.
Having the goalie interference call being called off as incidental contact can make sense. But exactly what was the reason given to call off the DOG on Bob yesterday?
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They did not explain it to the fans; they may have explained it to the coaches. Boudreau was certainly OK with it not being a penalty…
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Right, four zebras got together and decided they didn’t like the wording of that rule.
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I agree — yeah, it should have been a penalty but given the circumstances it’s a good non call. Given the outcome of freezing the puck, the advantage went to the Capitals (however minor that advantage would have been). It wasn’t as if Pronger dove on top of a rebound on a 3 on 1 breakaway or Bob going out Hasek style and diving on a puck.
Letter of the law, yeah it’s a penalty. Spirit of the law? Not a penalty.
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by sydtron on Nov 8, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
By the logic you propose, if Erskine slings the puck out of play to no real advantage, he shouldnt get the deuce.
The actual DOG rule lacks a spiritual dimension.
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I would have an issue if they gave it to him initially, and then dropped the deuce.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
By my logic if a goalie has a piece of equipment start to come loose and he freezes the puck, it shouldn’t be a penalty. My point on other actual delay of games is to create a situation the rule was designed for.
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But if a goalie freezes the puck outside his crease, there’s no discretion on the books. Whatever his reasons may be for stopping the play in that spot, the rule is clear about the consequence. Why “shouldn’t” a penalty be assesed for a clear violation of an ‘either/or’ rule?
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That’s my take on it; the rule’s clear…
But Coach Boudreau was OK with no penalty being called under the circumstances.
So perhaps the rule needs to be re-worded to say, “if the goalie freezes the puck outside the crease because if he doesn’t, his pants are going to fall down and everyone will see his black-and-yellow rubber ducky boxer shorts, there’s no penalty,” or something. ;-)
>/deliberately silly exaggeration<
Seriously – if there’s an either/or in the rule book, then Bobrovsky broke the rule, and should be penalized for it. If it’s subjective, then they should say it’s subjective.
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The advantage would have been greater to the Caps if they got a PP. I’m not buying that argument. They would have had an offensive zone draw either way, but with a greater advantage if they called the PIM.
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It’s a safety issue, which you discussed earlier. Yeah, having a strap loose isn’t that big of a deal but in the grand scheme of things a goalie can’t really deal with broke equipment the same way a skater can. If someone loses their lid or has a pad come loose, they need to get off the ice if they feel in danger. All a goalie can do is flag down a ref or try to get a stoppage of play somehow. Bob took the easy route and stopped the play himself. Letter of the law versus spirit of the law, I can’t fathom calling a penalty in that situation. It was pretty obvious he didn’t sabotage his own equipment and given the situation it’s difficult to say there was any gamesmanship involved.
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I don’t think it’d be in the highlight reels, because no goals were scored or anything interesting like that… maybe if the game’s rebroadcast? I don’t remember the exact timing of when it happened, but they were defending down by where I sit, so it had to be 2nd frame some time.
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Except that if the goalie loses a helmet then it’s an automatic whistle. Is that in there somewhere that wasn’t quoted? It looks like they have the safety exception in that case. Just not sure what to make of it.
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What was really funny about that rule is that up until this year, the goalie didn’t have to wear a mask. But if he started the game with one, and it came off, play was to stop immediately.
Yeah, but name me a goalie in the NHL who didn’t habitually wear a mask post-lockout!
I’m glad they made the mask a required piece of gear – and for reasons that should be well known to one of our players, they should do the same for a face shield (and allow for a grandfather clause, like they did with the helmet law). For players coming up from college or juniors, they’re used to a full cage anyway. They can easily get used to a face shield, and avoid having their eyes at (as much) risk….
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Rule 9.5 in case you’re insanely curious:
When a goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask and his team has possession of the puck, the play shall be stopped immediately to allow the goalkeeper the opportunity to regain his helmet and/or face mask. When the opposing team has possession of the puck, play shall only be stopped if there is no immediate and impending scoring opportunity. This stoppage of play must be made by the Referee. When play is stopped because the goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask, the ensuing face-off shall take place at one of the defending team’s end zone face-off spots.
When a goalkeeper deliberately removes his helmet and/or face mask in order to secure a stoppage of play, the Referee shall stop play as outlined above and in this case assess the goalkeeper a minor penalty for delaying the game. If the goalkeeper deliberately removes his helmet and/or face mask when the opposing team is on a breakaway, the Referee shall award a penalty shot to the non-offending team. If the goalkeeper deliberately removes his helmet and/or face mask during the course of a penalty shot or shootout attempt, the Referee shall award a goal to the non-offending team.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
semin contract
When does GMGM start thinking about contract extension talks with Semin? Now that he’s doing great I don’t want to lose him.
He can’t sign him until January 1. But I’m sure he’s already thinking about it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t mind him going to FA. It’ll more likely bring his cost down than drive it up. I don’t think he’ll get the money on the open market that he and his agent think he’ll get, and it’ll make it easier for us to keep him. If he gets his wish, bully for him. I just don’t want GMGM extending him for too much before the FA just because he’s a loyal soldier.
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It will be fascinating to watch, no matter the outcome. This case is affected by the enigma that is Sasha. No one knows if he’s more interested in money, location, security, or something else. If Kovalchuk only had two bidders because of the money, who’s going to want Semin? Long term? He could have a career year and still end up no better off than he is right now.
I would not be surprised to see him re-sign not long after January 1.
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No one playing cap numbers? I’ll be upset if he gets $6MM per year AND term. Semin, if he gets long term, deserves a number that starts with a 5.
You had me at no problem.
Is there some specific reason why (other than it being part of the CBA) that he can’t be signed until Jan 1? I just don’t understand why there’d be some kind of stipulation like that.
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CBA is the only reason I’m aware of… I could be wrong.
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I’m sure it’s in the CBA, just wondering why it’s in the CBA. Just kind of an odd requirement/restriction
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There are a lot of odd requirements in the CBA… and there are a lot of things that probably should be in there and aren’t.
Here’s a link to where the CBA is online…
I’m no lawyer, and don’t really have time to look today for explanations; perhaps one of the lawyers here could find it?
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I would guess that it’s probably to prevent a “sign with us right now for one year while we’re finalizing the multi-year deal” type of circumvention. That’s all I can think of.
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Conceivably, it could also be to avoid a circumvention of the bonus rules for 35+ players. For instance, if a team wanted to offer a player a two year contract with performance bonuses in both years, it would be illegal under the current CBA. However, they could negotiate two one-year deals and have the second deal come in as an “extension” immediately following announcement and filing of the first contract.
It is in paragraph 50.5(f)(iv), which states that no one-year standard player contract (which is what Semin has) can be extended prior to Jan. 1. I do not know enough about the CBA to know whether an entirely new contract can be negotiated prior to Jan. 1. I would guess not.
The CBA throughout prohibits modifications and extensions of current contracts except under various unique situations. The owners did not want the players constantly coming back and asking for renegotiations after good years (as happens constantly in the NFL).
The CBA throughout prohibits modifications and extensions of current contracts except under various unique situations. The owners did not want the players constantly coming back and asking for renegotiations after good years (as happens constantly in the NFL).
That was the kind of thing I was looking for. Makes sense for guys in multi-year contracts that still have more years (after the current one) to go. Still doesn’t make sense to me for guys in the last year of their current contract, although I can some guy working hard, getting off to a hot start, signing a bigger contract then slacking off. Less of a chance for that to happen if you have to play 3 months first.
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Now that he’s doing great I don’t want to lose him.
Now, I’m a huge Sasha fan, and I hope he stays, but he’s on fire right now. At some point, he’s going to regress, even if just temporarily. We’ll get the useless stick penalties, scoring droughts, weird neuroses and all the other things he does when he’s not bringing his A game. Are you still going to want to sign him then? Or is it just NOW that you want him? You gave to consider all aspects of the player.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Nov 8, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We’ll get the useless stick penalties, scoring droughts, weird neuroses and all the other things he does when he’s not bringing his A game.
In his defense, we get the useless stick penalties when he’s on his game, so there’s that.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 8, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know if he’ll regress or not. Right now he’s on pace for 54 goals. I have a hard time seeing that as unrealistic. I understand it’s a very long season, but if he can score 40 in 09/10 with some “consistency issues”, then a 50 goal season isn’t unreasonable.
by mechanicsville on Nov 8, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
If he keeps playing like he is right now, pace aside, he’ll get there. Sasha is playing at a superstar level so far this year. I’m not too anxious to take away the contract year motivation if it won’t poison the well with him. I’ve always had the sense that Sasha doesn’t really want to go to another team, so hopefully common ground can be found after a glorious postseason.
Whether he shows up for said postseason will be a huge factor in finding that common ground, me thinks.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 8, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Watch his shooting percentage. His PDO last year and the year before that were 103+ each, IIRC.
by red army line on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
It’s going to be a weird regression for him. He’s shooting right around 20% now, but it’s a mix of his usual low percentage wristers and shots at empty nets.
If the SOB line stays together and keeps attacking the crease as they have been, he could theoretically stick around 15%
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On-ice shooting percentage plus on-ice save percentage (5-on-5). It regresses pretty heavily to 100%. Semin could probably sustain a PDO a bit above 100%, but not at 103%. So I’m guessing at some point both his goals and points start to drop a bit.
by red army line on Nov 8, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When Semin does it in the playoffs?
When does GMGM start thinking about contract extension talks with Semin?
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I’ve always thought this is/was an over simplification when talking about Semin. If it’s Flash…fine, but Semin, not so much. He’s averaging almost a PPG in the playoffs and that’s including a seven game series against the Penguins when he was hurt.
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In case any of you haven’t seen, looks like Linus Omark scored 5 goals + a shootout goal for Oklahoma City (AHL for the Oilers) against the Toronto Marlies. Here’s CnB’s fanshot.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
There are two things wrong with the Hockey’s Future’s November Calder poll – one is the obvious one that I’m sure JP is alluding to, and the other is at the very bottom where they list other rookies receiving votes…who else sees it? :P
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Dirty. Perron had his head up, Thornton came at him from an angle. I don’t think it was particularly malicious but you have to be responsible for your actions.
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You do have to be responsible for your actions, but you should be directing that at Perron. His head was “up” only in the sense that it was in a vertical position. It was not “up” in a hockey sense. Looking back over your shoulder is not “up” in hockey terms. It was a terrible pass and a terrible decision by Perron. Joe didn’t even hit him that hard, he mostly braced himself. And just because I hate the guy, fuck Halak for not slapping his stick and warning Perron that Joe was going to come out of the box. I bet his teammates despise him.
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Perron’s bad decisions should not result in a hit to the head from the blind side, which this was. Thornton should have destroyed him with a clean shoulder check, but he didn’t, and that’s what the NHL is trying to get rid of. Players need to have respect for each other on the ice.
Guys are too big and too fast and wear shoulder pads that are way too hard for these type of hits to continue. This isn’t the days of Rod Langway when guys wore soft cap shoulder pads and someone with Ovi’s size and speed were not in the game.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
First off, it wasn’t a blindside hit. It was only blind because Perron wasn’t looking. If I drive through an intersection while looking at the back seat and I hit someone I wasn’t blindsided, I was stupid. That’s what happened. Blindside is when you come from behind or a 90 degree angle and side swipe the player. Just look at the hits that Richards and Cooke (and now Dustin Brown) threw and the difference should be obvious. This was blind because Perron is an idiot. Joe also didn’t target the head. He just got in front of Perron and braced himself. I don’t think there is much else he could do, and apparently neither does the NHL. When Joe directly asked the NHL what he could have done differently they couldn’t give him an answer. That’s telling, no? Again, what is the difference between Joe’s hit and Mitchell’s hit on Toews, a hit that was explicitly used as an example by the NHL of what would still be legal?
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Not dirty. Classic hospital pass. That hit should stay in the game, but oh well. The NHL is basically going to an OHL style rule, instead of the predatory rules they were trying to implement. This is a fucking brutal decision by the NHL. Before the season the NHL specifically cited the Mitchell on Toews hit as a hit that would still be legal. Exactly how is that hit different from the Thornton on Perron hit? Brutal.
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All signs point to Michal Neuvirth being (understandably) tired.
So this goes back to a discussion I was having with zephyr and JP the other day…but can someone with goalie knowledge explain to me what a normal workload for a hockey goalie would be? And then how this differs with young, still developing goalies? I come from sports where if you’re the backup keeper you pretty much only see action if the starter gets hurt…or sucks. There’s no such thing as being “tired”. So yea, I’d love some insight.
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Two years ago, Steve Mason played in 61 regular season games, but looked like an exhausted sieve in the playoffs.
Last year, Jonathan Quick played in 72 regular season games, but also didn’t look great in the playoffs.
Two years ago, Jonas Hiller played in 46 regular season games, then went on to be unreal in the playoffs.
Last year, Tuuka Rask played in 45 regular season games and had a decent playoffs.
Last year, Jimmy Howard played in 63 regular season games and had a decent playoffs.
Over the last few years, Carey Price has played between 40 and 50 games, although it hasn’t really helped him come playoff time.
Last year, Niemi played in 39 regular season games, and we all know how that turned out.
In 2006-7, Ray Emery played in 58 games for the Sens and, although they made the Stanley Cup finals, his play trailed off noticeably in the playoffs (Reg. Season Sv%: .918, Post Season: .907).
Based on this informal (read: pulled out of my butt) survey of post-lockout keepers on playoff teams, I think the Caps should aim for Neuvy playing around 45-50 games; any more than that might risk his ability to play effectively come playoff time.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 8, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Steve Mason seems to be on his way to sucking once again this season. Bummer. Cough cough Jim Carey cough cough
In his defense, he’s playing in Columbus.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
While I feel dirty approving anything that can be associated with your butt, rec’d for the detailed historical analysis.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 8, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
That’s overly simple, for sure. Emery and the Sens got dominated by ANA and I bet that killed his stats. Niemi was shielded by a great D. There’s lots of context missing. But in general I agree, keep Neuvirth around 50-55.
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Given the time constraints I’m under, that’s the best I can do. I think it still pretty clearly shows that playing more than 50 or so games is a bad idea for a young goaltender.
Emery and the Sens got dominated by ANA and I bet that killed his stats.
Ottawa only lost one game by more than a goal in that series, and that’s also the only time the Sens gave up more than 3 goals (6-2 loss) in the finals. His stats were pretty consistent throughout – it’s not as though he was pitching consistent shutouts then got pasted by Anaheim. Even if that were the case, it supports the argument that he wore down.
Niemi was shielded by a great D.
Same could be said for Emery, Quick, Hiller, Howard and Rask (esp. if you consider “team defense,” which the Bs excel at).
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From the Goalie Guild piece...
In my opinion, because of the play of Neuvirth and the potential that Holtby possesses, the Capitals could trade Varlamov and not miss a beat at all.
I could get on board with this. Get well soon, Varly. We may need you in late February…
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Personally, I think Holtby would benefit from a season (or two) of 50+ starts in the A. He’s really raw. That said, I wouldn’t mind a veteran backup for Neuvy here while Holtby does that.
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by J.P. on Nov 8, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The goalie guild piece crystallized my opinion of him:
Generally solid butterfly technique, but lungey.
Gotta say though, the Caps really benefit by having someone back there who can handle the puck.
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While Holtby is obviously the better choice to be Neuvirth’s backup while Varlamov is out, it’s better for him to be in Hershey as the #1 instead of sitting on the bench all this time.
I’ll second/third/whatever the get well wishes for Varly.
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I totally agree with that. I guess the scenario would be to pick up a veteran at the deadline (I don’t know who — Conklin? Osgood? Roloson?) to backup one of the young goaltenders (I prefer Neuvy) while trading the other (Varly) to address a need such as 2C or 3-4D. Leave Holtby down in the A, hopefully having a nice long run in the Calder Cup playoffs, grooming him to be the backup plan if Neuvy doesn’t work out, gets hurt, etc., next year forward.
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by Scott in Shaw on Nov 8, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I like Roloson myself for a veteran backup. If we are looking for a quick veteran stopgap until Varly fixes his groin, I am guessing that BUF’s Patrick Lalime can be had cheaply as they have this youngster Enroth playing well for them between the pipes as a backup.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 8, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
No way do I want Patrick Lalime on this team.
There are a lot of backup goalies out there who should be available come the trade deadline. If we need one, honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jose Theodore back in a Caps uni.
Interference from the bench
Did anyone see in the third period when the Caps were on the power play that when Mike Green was near the blue line beside the Flyers bench the backup goalie kept putting his glove over the boards to distract him? He did it when Mike had the puck and before he received a pass from deep in the Flyers zone. I sit behind the benches and have watched a lot of hockey and have never noticed this. I have to admit I never have paid attention to this but was wondering what the rule is on this? Is it one of those things that isnt in the rulebook and is more of an etiquette not to do?
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Well...
There’s this rule:
56.3 Bench Minor Penalty – A bench minor penalty shall be imposed when an unidentifiable player on the players’ bench or penalty bench or any Coach or non-playing Club personnel who, by means of his stick or his body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on the ice during the progress of the play.
Or…
75.2 Minor Penalty – A minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct shall be assessed under this rule for the following infractions:
(i) Any identifiable player who uses obscene, profane or abusive language or gestures directed at any person.
I thought there was something about distraction somewhere, but I don’t have the current rulebook as a .pdf, so it’s taking longer to find.
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Thanks for the summary. With the backups actions it would not fall under rule 56.3 since he didnt do anything to touch him or the puck. Green didnt look to care about it but I thought it was weird to see since I havent seen it before. It looks like the goalie was acting like a little high school punk knowing full well he would get away with it.
Just rub some dirt on it
this discussion reminds me of Price from the bench whacking Backstrom as he skated back to the bench after the caps scored in Montreal during the playoffs
The Price incident was ridiculous, this was quite amuzing. It totally caught me off guard. When it happened the first time I began asking everyone around me if he just did that and if they have ever seen it before. Everyone saw it the second time it happened and all responded with “what the ….., how old is that guy?”
Just rub some dirt on it
Old Enough to have the best seat in the house for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzbmI6-YSnQ
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Nice reference!!! I should have known it might have been Boucher but the Flyers backup goalies have been rotating more than the planets the past year. Also didnt have a copy of the game notes
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Pronger & Knuble
Speaking of the third period, when the Flyers were on a power play these two were gently slashing and cross-checking each other, with Pronger upping the ante finally with a somewhat less-gentle slash.
Because our two announcers were in their “ain’t we a great pair?” mode, nothing was said. I would have at least like to have them take note of the action on the air.
I thought they did mention it. A few seconds after it happened, Locker (I think) said that Pronger and Knuble were “grinning” at each other as they separated.
I love that image: two old vets grinning at each other after slashes. Reminds me of something Clark use to say, that a player isn’t playing hard unless he cheating (paraphrasing from memory).
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Friend of mine said she saw Pronger talking angrily to Gordon at one point and Gordon didn’t say a word, then cracked up when Pronger skated away. I wish I’d seen that…
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Me too.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was really annoyed every time they shifted the video to Lacher while play was happening. I would like to watch some hockey, please.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They have to work on the camera work for sure, but I liked the idea of putting Locker down there. Keeping up with the Joneses and all…
eh, put Smokin’ Al down there, keep Locker up top, although Locker did get a game puck at one point
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
But I like the idea of the color analyst being down there at that vantage point. I like Al, but don’t want him chiming in on everything.
I would think they get a better “look” at everything being up top.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
You’d think they would have learned after staying on Koken Friday night when Carlson scored the GWG.
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Oh yes. They were blabbing away when the goal horn went off.
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Because CSN doesn’t like to show faceoffs, you know. How many times does it take for them to realize that the Caps score off of faceoffs?
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Which is stupid considering that Ovi lines up behind Backstrom all the time just to try to score right off the faceoff.
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They would have totally missed his hat trick goal last year.
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Gotta show off that cheap tan he’s got goin’ on.
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by snakegriffin on Nov 8, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Some kid spent $363 on that godawful Ragins Duck 3rd jersey:
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Hahaha…
He spelled “awfulness” wrong.
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Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Steinberg is killing it today with random info. Check out the sportsbog.
Item 1 is the change in the 24/7 logo to no longer look like a Penguins advertisement.
Item 2 is Bettman’s son getting married. Totally random and I have no idea how this ends up in the bog.
"It's always good to have vikings."
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Black and Orange for the team from Pennsylvania? Yeah, that’ll work.

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Oh, Bettman’s son? Heh. His wife’s a University of Maryland graduate. Local, right?
Hehehe!
But anyway, any excuse to post a shot of Bettman hoisted up in the air on a bunch of chairs… should’a unbuttoned his jacket, though… ;-)
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Alzner still has no points on the season and is -1 overall. If that’s not proof that basic stats lie, I don’t know what is.
No single statistic shows the whole picture. They can be used to show trends of past behavior, but by the statistics alone, Braden Holtby could be arguably (before last night’s game) the best goalie in the NHL as far as SV% and GAA is concerned, because his SV% was 100%, and his GAA was 0. Never mind that it was on four shots in a relief effort. He’s 1-0, stopped every shot he faced………..
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Exactly. Those stats aren’t lying — Alzner is pointless and is -1. The inferences that are drawn from those statistics are what can be problematic. Some people will read that and decide that he is not NHL-ready or is a crappy defenseman or whatever. Those statements might be lies, or mistakes, or the thoughts of Mike Green fans (kidding). All the stats do is give you a quantifiable measure of some actions which can be compared to other players.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 8, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
12. Regier disagrees with this theory: Some of Tyler Myers’ struggles may have to do with the loss of Henrik Tallinder. Last year, when the rookie got into trouble, he’d smartly get the puck to his mobile partner, who’d skate it out of difficulty. Shaone Morrisonn doesn’t have Tallinder’s mobility and there is the sense that gives Myers fewer options out of danger.
Buy or sell? I’m buying, not necessarily because of Tallinder’s mobility (since ShaMo can skate pretty well too) but because Tallinder can handle the puck much, much better. I guess that’s not too big of a distinction, in hindsight.
20. You may have read that an Alexander Ovechkin shot smashed Tim Brent’s knee pad last Wednesday in Washington. The incredible thing about it is that it hit the front of the knee dead on, which is the most protected part of that padding. Neither Brent nor the Toronto equipment guys had ever seen that kind of damage from a shot before.
Your move, Zdeno.
by red army line on Nov 8, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That’s amazing.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Nov 8, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like what happened to Patrick Thoreson’s cup
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 8, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Happy Birthday Jonesy
A player I always associate in my mind with Steve Konowalchuk as they both started around the same time in the early 90s and both ended up getting dealt to the Avs (though many seasons apart). If not for injuries, Jones could have been a more dominant power forward for the Caps. His point totals were never as good as they could have been but he definitely added a physical presence and wasn’t afraid to drop them when needed. We traded him to the Avs in the trade where we obtained Chris Simon. Of course, now he can be seen between periods on Versus, and the odd TSN, telecasts.

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