Monday Caps Clips: Caps Streaking Again
by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 6:28 AM EST
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's win from us, Vogs, NHL.com (Masisak), WaPo (Schimmel: blog, gamer), DCEx (McNally: gamer), Caps365 video (Boudreau, players), CSN Washington (Beninati), Frankovic, Peerless, RMNB, Puckhead, StC, SB Nation DC, KOL, Capitals News Network, PHT, bridgetds (pics), Caps In Pictures (pics), Caps Snaps (pics), and clydeorama (pics).
- The week that was, by the tens. [Peerless]
- Tune in to The Edge (105.9 FM) at 8:20 this morning for Bruce Boudreau's weekly radio hit, and catch Karl Alzner on NHL Live! early this afternoon.
- Michal Neuvirth is one of the League's best bargain (and should be for a couple more years, too). [Versus]
- Alexander Semin: the NHL's forgotten sniper? [Suite 101]
- Of course, he's not forgotten locally. [Blonde Girl's Guide]
- One last (?) look at Movember's mo's. [Caps Snaps]
- Another Winter Classic promo. [TwitVid]
- Programming note: due to last night's Comcast outage, Ups and Downs will run on Tuesday this week.
- Finally, happy 61st birthday to Yvon Labre.
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Finally, happy 61st birthday to Yvon Labre.
And his ’stache
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 7:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Believe that’s Bill Clement in the background behind the atrocious Kansas City Scouts uni), which would make this early-to-mid 1975-76 season, which would make the Scouts player future Capital Guy Charron.
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Awesome. It’s like that Land-O-Lakes picture in a picture in a picture thing
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
Can you fold up that picture of Labre to make it look like he’s bare-breasted, like the squaw on the Land-O-Lakes box (NSFW?)?
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only instead of bare-breasted, he’d slowly lose his hair.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
You sure thats Bill C.? Maybe it’s just the picture, but I thought he was wearing the C during his brief time here. If it is him, this was 10/22/75 which was the only time they played KC at home during ol’ Mr. Mosquito Bite’s glorious tenure as a Cap.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 29, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
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Not sure it’s him – and he definitely was a captain. Just looks a hell of a lot like him in that pic, no? Regardless, I’d put money on that being Charron, as the only other guy to wear #7 for KCS (per Hockeyreference) was John Wright, who did so for four games in 1974-75.
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I agree, sure does look like Bill C. And Guy Charron certainly got the short end of the stick when it came to playing on quality teams. 700 plus games in the NHL w/ 0 playoff games. Wings, Scouts and Caps all just horrible at the time.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 29, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
This poor guy was a good player on some really bad teams. He holds the record for most regular season games played in the NHL without having played in a Stanley Cup playoff game. He was a very good player, as his number show, but he never ended up on the roster of a winning team.
And for most of his career, a huge majority of NHL teams made the playoffs (either 12 of 17 or 18, and later 16 of 21…)
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Those are definitely Bill Clement and Guy Charron. Clement (hands of cement) was the captain in Washington back then, but where the “C” would be is obscured by future Capital and Trivia Answer Guy Charron.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
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Did we do Smash or Trash with the new Columbus jersey yet?
I’m going “Trash”. The logo’s okay, but the jersey looks too much like Florida’s alternate.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 7:39 AM EST reply actions
I like the colours and the logo is cool with me…I give it a pass.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
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Yeah, trash. Not bad if it was the only one to look like that, but it isn’t.
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It’s the exact same jersey. Awful.
I guess light blue is the new black.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
Or a Wizard….
Admittedly I don’t like most of those up there, but the Blues at least get a pass for incorporating their great logo as well as the Gateway Arch…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I keep forgetting how horrid the Pitt WC third jersey is.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
q'n'd'
Apparently each new jersey has to have more striples than the last. I found leaked pics of Pittsburghs 2012 Winter Classic jersey.
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by zephyr on Nov 29, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
waaaay too much ivory. looks awful on TV. The ivory works on Minny’s green unis, but not on these blue ones.
also: gee, a blue third jersey with a circle logo? yawn. are all the creative people at reebok asleep?
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me somewhat of a certain “Building America’s Hockey Capital” logo. Next Caps WC third jersey?
/vomitinmymouth
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Jesus, Philly.com is good for nothing.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 29, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Is it terrible that I kind of dig it?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
No, I kind of do, too.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
It’s actually pretty creative, so I can understand liking it. Although it does remind me a lot of the Milwaukee Brewers old logo…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Woa there, didn’t realize it was so big…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what she said
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
AND subject line fail…yikes, sorry…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Bieksa rumours
I posted a fanshot late last night of an article from the Vancouver Province which adds some fuel to the fire regarding the Bieksa rumours. Link in fanshot.
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Chesnokov was tweeting last night (and I don’t know how reputable he is regarding trades, though he did get Grebeshkov correct) that a trade was in the works where the Caps sent a forward to the WC for defensive help.
Take it for what you will, I suppose, but that would tie into the Bieksa rumors.
by Chris Burton on Nov 29, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
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where the Caps sent a forward to the WC for defensive help.
Please?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
I hope for your sake it happens. Not holding my breath, though; seems a little early yet for this sort of thing.
by Chris Burton on Nov 29, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing’s too early for GMGM. He made all those trades / acquisitions last season in early January if my memory serves
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Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
the Chimera trade was actually right before Christmas…it was the first game I was able to get to last season.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it was rather thoroughly discussed here.
My gut still says that if we’re talking Chesnokov, we’re talking Tyutin, not Bieksa – I’m not sure what in Dmitry’s track record demonstrates that he’d have intel on a non-Russian. But we’ll see. Or we won’t.
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Whoops. Been out of the loop for a bit (you could say always :P), my bad.
And good point. Like I said, he was right when Edmonton send Grebeshkov to Nashville, but I’ve never seen anything that would lead me to believe he’s accurate outside of Russians.
by Chris Burton on Nov 29, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Now Flash is going to the Kings. Someone wake me when he’s actually traded…
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I love how that entire article is the same one as before only now it includes this line, kind of tucked in there almost as an afterthought:
He was also mentioned in another rumour late Sunday night that had him heading to the Los Angeles Kings.
Bizarre. And what makes you say it would be Tyutin? Last I checked he was in Columbus, so…that’s not Vancouver or LA.
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And what makes you say it would be Tyutin?
The fact that Chesnokov’s sources tend to be Russian.
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…right, but there are a lot of Russians kicking around the NHL and for some reason the trade rumors have focused on Vancouver and LA, neither of which is a team Tyutin plays for. Obviously they’re all rumors so how much of each are true, I don’t know – just seems a random name to throw out there considering Columbus hasn’t come up in anyone’s chatter. Yet.
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It’s not random once you consider the source of the tweet that started this whole fracas.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
I suppose. If we’re talking purely Russian defensemen I guess Tyutin’s the only one who would be a viable option…just curious that others would come up with this Vancouver/LA thing. Just because he was first doesn’t mean Dmitry’s got the scoop (and just because others say it’s Vancouver or LA doesn’t mean they’ve got it, either).
Basically I’m not getting my hopes up until I see a picture of Flash in another jersey.
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Happy?
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Well, I can’t see it but I’m assuming you’ve either found a picture of Flash in another jersey or photoshopped one :P
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here ya go
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I look at the Kings and apart from their obvious great D, whom they aren’t going to trade barring a huge deal, I don’t really like what I see.
LAK surely wouldn’t trade Jack Johnson, Doughty, or Mitchell without some more substantial return than flash. Scuderi would be the beat and somewhat feasible, but why trade him for a 25 goal scorer who’s going to be a FA? LA has a pretty solid D core, and a great tandem in net already. So other than our own young prospects and D in net who else has trade value on the team? Semin, but he’s not going to be traded away with flash imo.
LAK just doesn’t seem like a feasible destination for Flash. And right now I don’t see Semin being traded unless its for a huge upgrade and elite defense men in the league.
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There’s been some rumbling that Viacheslav Voinov is going to go back to Russia if he doesn’t break the Kings roster this year. Trading him to Washington might make sense for the Kings in that he might be able to crack the roster here in a year or two and he’ll be surrounded by a core of Russians, but he won’t be able to do so within the next few years for the Kings.
He’s a smallish puck-moving D-man who was drafted early in the second round (32nd overall in 2008), and he’s put up good numbers in Manchester over the last two years. I don’t know if he’d be good enough to break Washington’s top six right away, but he’d definitely be good enough for a role in Hershey and an occasional call-up as a depth-D. The only issue would be whether he would be redundant over Orlov in the future.
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Anisimov solves the 2C issue, methinks.
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
For the record, the folks over at Nucks Misconduct are not interested in this trade idea. Shocking.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wednesday
For local folks, this is your obligatory two-day warning. Tthe Blues game is on CSN+ which might not be on HD depending on provider, but NHLN will be carrying it.
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Bet they’re regretting have missed the past 10 days — some pretty tv worthy caps drama in there . . .
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I think they’ve been doing some work at games and such – they’ve had the caps and Pens mic’d up for at least one game each that I know of, but Dec. 5 is when the cameras start rolling for keeps.
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Regarding NHLN…I found out the hard way with last night’s game. I’m in Northern Michigan visiting my parents with no Internet connection. Happy to see they have NHLN (unfortunatly standard definition) so set in to watch the game. Seems that they get the Canadian feed because only Oilers/Sharks game was on. Also, the Canadian feed gave zero updates of the game so had to wait for the NHL on the Fly for recap. Last I checked, Michigan was in U.S.! I am now in search for a sports bar for Wednesday’s game.
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No, I’m in the upper part of the LP. But close enough, I guess,
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by Backeez Got Back on Nov 29, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Can you narrow it down by knuckle?
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With my luck, now that my internet is working again (thanks Comcast), the tv part will go down just in time for the game.
There's always more to learn about Hockey.
My internet went down last night too…yikes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
The neuvy article, talking later about teams that may want a refund
5. Henrik Lundqvist, Rangers. At $7.75 million and a 7-8-1 record through his first 16 appearances, Lundqvist is proving that you can spend too much for a No. 1 goalie.
Who cares about the record. Not that it isn’t THAT important, but henrik is solid as always with a 9.19 sv%, He’s no vezina winner but damned if he isn’t doing the job he’s supposed to do: Be consistently good while waiting and praying for your offense to actually DO SOMETHING.
And let’s be fair – his cap hit is $6.875m. Other than the guy signing the check, who cares what his actual salary is?
Still, the highest-paid goalie in the League should probably be posting numbers at least somewhat commensurate with that distinction.
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Still, the highest-paid goalie in the League should probably be posting numbers at least somewhat commensurate with that distinction.
See also Luongo, Roberto.
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One more round of stats for ya :)
I dug up all the goalies makuing 5 mil+ a year
.951 Thomas, Tim Goal $6,000,000.00
.923 Vokoun, Tomas $6,300,000.00
.922 Ward, Cam Goal $5,000,000.00
.919 Lundqvist, Henrik Goal $7,750,000.00
.916 Backstrom, Niklas Goal $6,000,000.00
.914 Miller, Ryan Goal $6,250,000.00
.911 Luongo, Roberto Goal $10,000,000.00
.909 Kiprusoff, Miikka Goal $7,000,000.00
.905 Fleury, Marc-Andre Goal $5,500,000.00
.901 Brodeur, Martin Goal $5,200,000.00
.895 Giguere, Jean-Sebastien $7,000,000.00
.LOL Huet, Cristobal Goal $5,625,000.00
The league average, again, is about .911
So I don’t think Henrik is doing that bad. Not really playing 7 million + worth but I think he’ll get better as the season progresses. He’s arguably the best player on the team and GM’s with mediocre teams always seem to load up the salaries of their best players (see Mikko Koivu)
Seems to me also if you’re going to complain about the goalie’s salary desite that goalie’s record, there are plenty of other goalie’s you can pick before Henrik
by Brainumbc on Nov 29, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice stat-dump. I’d like to see it over time, as opposed to just a snapshot. I think one of the arguments behind spending for goalies is that the elite ones tend to be more consistently good.
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So goes the argument. The past few years of playoff performance, however, runs somewhat contrary to that assumption.
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Agreed. I’m on record in my belief that the recent spate of “chuck a dude out there and hope for the best” is likely an anomaly brought on by the changes to the game post-lockout and the concomitant retirement of several elite goalies (Hasek, Roy, Belfour).
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Well, there’s that and there’s also that the average NHL goalie has gotten a lot better. Since salary in a hard cap world is supposed to be predicated on a WARP concept, its much harder for a goalie to be enough better than replacement to justify the big bucks.
You also get guys like Raycroft coming through. I think there’s a bunch of what you mentioned above, mixed with teams starting to understand the math, mixed with some cautionary tales about wait-and-see.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, there’s that and there’s also that the average NHL goalie has gotten a lot better
I’ll have to dig through some old stat posts of mine to back this up, but I believe the average sv% for goalies since (even just before the lockout) was consistently around .910-.911. Early 90’s it was almost a flat .900 and then it has, indeed, rosen consistently until about 2002-2003. Since then it’s kind of plateu’d out
Perhaps. But it also is a function of the cap itself – spend money on a goalie and that’s probably money you can’t spend elsewhere. So you have better teams around “lesser” goalies. Those lesser goalies get hot and boom – Niemi/Leighton.
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spend money on a goalie and that’s probably money you can’t spend elsewhere
Which makes it even more amazing that the blackhawks won the Cup last year :)
but how many guys did they have on ELC’s or low contracts that they had to sign/trade in the offseason?
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Agreed with both you and KHTAD.
I think that presently, the goaltending “Holy Grail” isn’t a “proven” guy like Luongo or Brodeur, but rather a consistently good/great young (ELC/RFA) goaltender who outperforms his contract.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is that the elite ones tend to be more consistently good
Last 6 seasons for King Henrik (oldest first)
.922
.917
.912
.916
.921
.919
Toss out the .912 (which is still above league average) and I think Henrik’s been one of the most (if not THE most) consistent goalie in the league. He hasn’t had a season with less than 30 wins yet.
The playoffs are a different story though. And the meltdown against the Caps two yeats back isn’t entirely his fault. Losing a 3-1 lead in the playoffs is a team effort :)
Losing a 3-1 lead in the playoffs is a team effort :)
And it never gets to 3-1 were it not for Henrik.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely… Henrik stole 2 games from the Caps (games 2 and 4). Game 1 he wasn’t that good, and the Caps were done in by a bad game by Theo (who as we know now had his newborn son in the hospital at the time… :( )
If Lundqvist doesn’t play outstanding hockey in games 2, 4 and 7, the Caps win the series in 5 games.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
The King was paid $1635 per minute last year and $3540 per save.
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by zephyr on Nov 29, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not his fault the team in front of him sucks
And also to be fair … he has 1 assist :) So he’s contributing to the Offense as well.
NYR’s average shots against per game is 27.6, 3rd best in the league. The average shots against per game for Henrik…31.61
it’s like his team is just saying “Meh, it’s Henrik, f#$@@ playing defense… let him do all the work”
To follow up, Biron is facing 24.125 shots per game.
If only the rangers could play in front of Henrik the way they do in front of Biron.
If we’re going to complain about overpaid players on the Rangers , lets talk about Gaborik before we start complaining about Henrik
If Gaborik is overpaid by the Rangers, it’ll be because he missed a bunch of time with injuries, not actual on-the-ice performance. He’s a beast.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
He really should be high on the list of wings you talk about taking after Ovi. A healthy (I know, I know) Gaborik is amazing.
by Chris Burton on Nov 29, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
but any smart GM (and fantasy GM…..) factors gaborik’s injury history into his value.
:)
by Natty Bumppo on Nov 29, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, and he’d also factor in the injuries to his other best producers before making an iffy move (coughChrisStewartcough).
by Chris Burton on Nov 29, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
bunch of time with injuries, not actual on-the-ice performance.
I can’t argue with that, but why pay such a huge price for someone with such a history of injjuries?
Before he was signed by the rangers he was only getting in 62.75 games per season
Gaborik’s injury history is more akin to Semin’s than anything, I think. He had hip surgery the one season he played 13 games, which really dragged down his career-average. He’s a good bet to miss 8-12 games a season, but probably not 20.
Of course, as you pass 30, injury risk climbs dramtically.
Overpay? Maybe a little, but that’s one of the saner NYR contracts.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Saner? Yea true. I personally would put Gaborik somewhere in between Semin and Vanek. And before this season I don’t know if anyone would really be willing to pay 7.5 mil for Semin (might be a different story now).
And like I said, teams that are mediocre or bad tend to have their “best” players (aka above average players) eat up a huge chunk of the cap with salaries that would probably get them half as much on a team like ours so Gaborik’s salary makes sense. But then again, so does Henrik’s. I think henrik is probably overpaid no more than Gaborik.
The big difference being the area injured. Gaborik has had much more troubling injuries because they are the same area and the type that tend to become recurring problems. How many times has Sasha had the same injury?
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
besides struggling with the wrist issue most of last season?
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But it was a thumb before. A back before that. The wrist bothered him all year because it never fully healed, I think. Groins/hips/knees are categorically on a different level when it comes to injury red flags.
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sometimes I wonder if the thumb was the ultimate cause of that pesky wrist tendinitis.
While I agree about groins/knees/hips, tendinitis can pop up at the most inopportune times. If he makes it through this season without any flares ups (never mind the immobilization and cortisone shots), I’ll breathe a little easier.
But, if it comes down to whose injury history scares me less, Semin, without a doubt. Too many years of watching Gabby’s body fail over and over again in Minnesota for my liking.
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He also started the season with a case of the ol’ swine flu, though it was never announced as such.
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I’m betting he’s the person who gave it to Quintin Laing since we know he did not get it from his family (as they were keeping him away from the wife and kids).
Sasha was sick only a week or so before Laing and, I assume, must have been pretty sick if he missed a road trip entirely.
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If we’re going to complain about overpaid players on the Rangers , lets talk about Gaborik before we start complaining about Henrik
Really? You’ve got the cornucopia of babytown frolics contracts laid out in front of you and you pick one of the few on that team that’s actually not crazy?
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
I think Avery might still be eating through a straw this morning.
by Chris Burton on Nov 29, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
He got the Tootoo treatment.
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Got his face punched in. It was pretty great.
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Is Franson doing OK after that taking that stick?
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
He was released from the hospital, supposedly “fine”. He couldn’t breath leaving the ice, though. Complete dirtbag move on Avery’s part. O’Brien was not happy in the postgame scrum.
by Chris Burton on Nov 29, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
No shit. I was hoping he was alright.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
He was lucky to avoid getting his face seriously pounded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6tVyDi7Aug
You had me at no problem.
Which teams has Biron been in for? That could just as easily be noise, but I’ll bet Torts runs Biron out there against the weaker comp.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 9:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anyways, going back to the original point: I just disagree with the article that the rangers should (jokingly) get a refund from Henrik. Which would you rather pay 7.5 mil for, a goalie that gets pretty damn close to a consistent .918-.919 almos every season that you can count on, or a manic depressive goalie that carries the same career average with a .902-.932-.905-..927-.901 and so on
Lost in this discussion: you can’t put a price on handsome.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Popeye wears jerskeys.
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Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Dreamiest goalie ever.
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No way.
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000
You can’t beat that hair.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
First off I’d like to state that I’m heterosexual
Secondly, I think Jose could give Henrik a run for his money
Really?! Don’t get me wrong, Jose’s a handsome fellow, but Henrik is a Swedish god.
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by boutros23 on Nov 29, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jose would first like to thank the makers or Propecia…..
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
In that instance, no amount of hair or bald will help that.
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I thought it was a good recent shot of me.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
You were great in
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Theo once got suspended from international play for taking Propecia…. O.o
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It comes down to, which accent would you prefer to wake up to every morning
The Sweedish Chef
or pepe le peu
?
this conversation has got me way too far now out of my comfort zone.
Must think of manly thoughts
BACON! JACK DANIELS!
Swedish Chef
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I thought it was Brownuary?
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Hockey fun fact from PD
:Buff + Ladd = 49 points in 24 games. Kane + Toews = 43 points in 25 games
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Anyone head to Lyon Hall last night?
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I did – had a great time! (And thanks to whomever for the discount code.) Yesterday was my birthday, so I had the added bonus of King, Fehr and Carlson singing Happy Birthday to me. The nice server had to fend DJ off of my cake, and then he asked me for a bite! (I shared.) Carlson and Hendricks brought me drinks, and every single player there was amazingly nice. I think it was awesome that they did this and I hope they do it again.
You had me at "no problem"!
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Good story and belated happy b-day.
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So at what point does the officiating become a “thing?”
My big problem last night was with what they did call, not what they didn’t. Ovechkin bull rushes Jussi Jokinen and gets his stick under Jokinen’s arm in the process. If that was initially a hook, it’s the first time I’ve ever seen a hook push instead of pull someone. But Jokinen clamps down on Ovi’s stick. TWEET – 2 minutes.
(I didn’t see Semin’s penalty)
Flash gets his stick under a skate. It’s pretty obvious that it was a careless trip, not an intentional one. TWEET – 2 minutes.
The big problem is that these kinds of plays happened All Damned Night. Why call those two? Just seemed all of a sudden the refs started calling the ticky-tack crap. But then later on those calls didn’t go the Caps’ way.
I’m a big believer in “let them play.” I don’t think careless trips or technical hooks should be called. (I feel differently about high sticking — they should call every one of those). But it seems to me that the Caps’ skill players are given a disproportionate number of the weak penalty calls. And I don’t get why.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
So very much this is a story. Eventually I felt that they just let everything go, including against the Caps, but the officiating was ridiculous. It was like they were first reffing to give the benefit to the team with the lesser record, then reffing to the score. That game never should have been in a position to allow the tying goal.
The blown icing calls weren’t too exciting, either. (I know that sometimes we think a Cap got to it first and upon further review realize he didn’t, but we were chatting with a guy on the Metro going home who was sitting right behind the goal, and he was sure that at least once it definitely shouldn’t have been called.)
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A good chunk of it is score effects; JLikens recently had an amazing post on Objective NHL about penalties drawn/taken at different scoring states. I don’t know if the refs are intentionally trying to even up the games, but they definitely do it.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kinda related, but I’ve been trying to find penalties drawn/taken on the league’s site and can’t find it anywhere. I know BtN has it, but I like the sortables more on the league site.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 29, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree. Call me crazy, but I think a penalty is a penalty, whether it’s intentional or not.
My father was bitching about the penalty in yesterday’s Redskins game, where a block-in-the-back away from the play called back a punt return touchdown. “It didn’t affect the play! Why call that penalty??? It woulda been a touchdown anyway!” Well, because you’re not allowed to do that, and if you do, it’s a penalty. It’s the rules.
Get your stick in someones gloves? That’s hooking. Use your stick to take someone’s skates out from under them? That’s tripping. If Ovie and Flash did it “unintentionally,” then they were just being lazy with their sticks.
You had me at no problem.
A penalty should be called, intentional or not, based upon the rule that defines the penalty. With some penalty, intent is specifically mentioned, in others, it isn’t and so there should be no grey area on penalties.
In Flash’s case, the tripping rule (rule 57.1) says:
A player shall not place the stick, knee, foot, arm, hand or elbow in such a manner that causes his opponent to trip or fall.
Accidental trips which occur simultaneously with a completed play will not be penalized. Accidental trips occurring simultaneously with or after a stoppage of play will not be penalized.
If, in the opinion of the Referee, a player makes contact with the puck first and subsequently trips the opponent in so doing, no penalty shall be assessed.
Flash was not completing a play, and there wasn’t a stoppage of play. The rule doesn’t say “A player shall not deliberately place…” so intent isn’t an issue with tripping. You do it accidentally, you’re guilty, you get a penalty.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Then call them all that way. The game will bog down, but at least it will be fair. What really bothers me is that similar trips that brought Caps players down weren’t called.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
The thing that bothered me about the Skins penalty was the time that the flag was thrown. It wasn’t right at the time of the penalty, but when Banks was nearly in the endzone. Why not just call it when it happens?
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
In all fairness, the Flash trip was a pretty obvious call. Intentional or not, if the roles were reversed and Flash was the one who went down, we’d be all up in arms if the refs didn’t call it.
Agree with the rest. I’m going to hold off on the tin foil hat a bit longer…but it is a disturbing trend.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Semin’s call was one of those no-brainer, have to be made calls. Carly blew a wheel and gave one of the Canes a free lane to pass into the slot, where another Cane was open. Semin back checked hard (good awareness, good hard effort) and went to tie up the stick; instead of hitting the stick, he got his stick tied up in the Canes player’s legs, upended him cleanly, and denied a chance to play the puck. Textbook tripping or interference, take your pick.
My beef is that it was the exact same play that did not get called against Carlson in the first; the kind of call that has to be made, and always gets called.
Now, I get that calls get missed. But the refs did not blow the whistle on several other calls that ranged from usually-called to borderline:
1. On the PP, one of the Caps got cross-checked to the ice from behind, away from the puck. That one usually gets you an interference or cross-checking call.
2. MarJo got hooked while going for the puck right after the lone PP was over. He didn’t go down, so sometimes that one slides and sometimes it doesn’t.
3. AO got upended in the OT – again, one that slides sometimes and one that doesn’t sometimes.
But I’m with you, if they’re going to call Flash and AO where they did, they ought to make the other calls.
It’s an issue.
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My problem wasn’t with the calls made against the Caps, but the calls that were not made against the Canes.
At one point a Caps player (Semin?) had his stick blatantly held in the offensive zone just before the Flash tripping call, Carlson was taken down behind the net, and then Ovi tripped exiting the zone with the empty net looking were three easy calls that didn’t get made.
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by Sombrero Guy on Nov 29, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
also the Interference on MarJo as he was chasing down a loose puck could have been called as well.
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by Sombrero Guy on Nov 29, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
It’s two sides of the same coin. If you’re going to call it on one, call it on the other.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Second horn guy blows
As mentioned in Capitals Outsider, the wannabe imposter blows hard for his ear-splitting horn. Everybody in our section cringed whenever he blew his horn. Thankfully, he was in one of the rows behind us we call The Transient Seats (scalper “season ticket holders”), so it’s likely we won’t hear him again.
Sidenote, talking to the real Horn Guy (aka Sam) at an event during the offseason, he said he was mentioned in a Russian article about Varly, Ovi, Semin, but the translation came out as Man Pipe. Man Pipe sounds so much cooler than Horn Guy.
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Welcome to all our new readers who found this site by Googling “Man Pipe.” I hope you’re not disappointed to find out that this is a hockey blog…
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
For what its worth, Sam is on record as not caring about imposters. LINK
RtR: I’ve heard another horn at some games, yet most fans don’t cheer when prompted by that person. How does it make you feel that you have imitators?
THG: It doesn’t really bother me at all. Sometimes it’s just a young kid who is emulating me and a small diaphragm is just not going to generate the pressure needed to get a real good loud blast going. If people want to make noise during the games I’m all for it. I know some folks, a lot of folks, are annoyed by horn imitators because they tell me so. But I figure the most sincere form of flattery is imitation.
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by Sombrero Guy on Nov 29, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Good for him. What’s annoying about imitators is that they’re not any good.
"It's always good to have vikings."
which is probably why people in my section yell “your horn sucks” instead of “let’s go caps”
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by Sombrero Guy on Nov 29, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
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Super new mesmerizing Jokinen gif (via HotH):
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions 14 recs
I might replay this until I pass out.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 29, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I see OV and Crosby. Who else?
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I would love to know if Jokinen has ever seen these gifs and, if so, what he thinks of them.
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I wonder if his wife this the gif makers are talentless hacks….
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Oh….my….god….
This is the greatest use of animated GIF technology and the internet ever….
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
For whatever reason I just scrolled down to this my accident right away. This is absolutely amazing I was laughing for at least 5 minutes.
Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.
by Davethecapsfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Michael Nylander did a interview with a Swedish TV yesterday. Here’s a link.
He talks about the accident and that he still can’t believe that it happened. When it happened they first thought it was just a pinched nerve and that he would be ok in 30 minutes. But Nylander insisted that he had to go to a hospital because he felt like something was seriously wrong.
It was when he was examined in the hospital and they told him that two of the vertebrae in his neck was broken that he got scared and he got even more scared when he was moved from one examination room to the MRI machine – Thinking that moving with a broken neck is not something you should do.
The recovery time is the same as reported earlier; skating in three months and playing hockey in six months.
His doctors are in the New York area but he lives in Chicago with his family. In the interview he is at his kids tennis and hockey practice. He says that he felt weird watching his kids play hockey at first but he got over that feeling pretty fast because it’s hockey and that’s his life and he love it.
Before the accident happened he was planning to play three or four more years but he haven’t decided yet if he will continue to play hockey. He wants to give it some time and whatever decision he will make will be the right one.
by Malin A on Nov 29, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
Good find. For all the crap we give him here he’s not a bad guy, and I’m glad this injury isn’t anywhere as bad as it could have potentially been.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the find Malin. Good to read.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
thanks, Malin! good news, it seems, and more wishes for a successful (however Nylander wants to define that) recovery.
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Hockey Canada will announce its WJC camp invites today at 1 on TSN. Go Cody go!
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Bad news—Rumour has it that Mike Green has again not been invited to the WJC camp by Hockey Canada.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sarcasm laddie.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Odds that The Undertaker even gets an invite?
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No but Bret Hart may.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Hilarious quote from Larry Brooks.
If that were to happen, if Brodeur, 38 and on the penultimate season of his contract, were to tell Lamoriello that he’d be OK with a trade to a blue-chip contender in need of a blue-chip goaltender, oh, and let’s just say he names Washington, then Lamoriello might well have his Forsberg and the Devils might well have John Carlson or Karl Alzner — or Mike Green? — plus a young forward along with a critically needed No. 1.
If GMGM made a trade like that, I would burn his house down.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 10:23 AM EST reply actions
You know a rumor is ridiculous when I won’t even link to it in Clips…
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(Err, not a rumor, but rather a trade suggestion)
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Damn you beat me to it.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Upsetting that even Brooksie seems to think that the Caps need a goalie upgrade so bad that they would give away the house for one. I don’t care if we’re talking about Brodeur 10 years ago, that’s the dumbest trade ever.
You had me at no problem.
In the quote above where he says “a blue-chip contender in need of a blue-chip goaltender” and then names the Caps.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think you give up someone like Alzner unless you’re really not confident in your goaltending – to this point, I don’t think that’s been an issue in the least.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
neither do I, but just a hypothetical scenario
Wouldn’t be so much “giving up on Alzner” as it would be a team begging for him and offering us a juicy trade
The lack of depth on our D is already something we’re worried about…so we’d give up a 2nd line shut down D (who isn’t even close to peaking yet) to solve a problem that really isn’t a problem? No thank you.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The Caps have time to make that assessment. One or the other will probably get 20 or more starts, the other getting 15 or so before the trading deadline. There isn’t a rush to make a decision here.
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by ThePeerless on Nov 29, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Unpossible. Marty! has trouble seeing the puck in the Phonebooth.
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by EmilyB on Nov 29, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
You’d probably have to stand in line.
Every once in a while, Brooks will say something smart. Then he follows it up with hallucinations like this to remind us he’s an idiot.
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LOL
I wouldn’t even trade Tomas Flieschmann for Brodeur at this point.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 29, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s not get carried away…
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t take Brodeur for free. $5.2MM additional spending at the goalie position? That kind of screws our plans to retain players next year.
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by Ninjak on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was mistaken; I thought his contract was done after this year. Yeah, no, not interested.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Missed that part.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Stecks, I take it you never took Latin.
Penultimate — second to last.
In Latin, they call the last syllable of the word, the ultima. They call the second to last syllable, the penult.
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I know penultimate, just missed the part where Brooks mentions it in his article.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’d make the trade if they threw in Zajac and then we buried Marty in the AHL.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 29, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
He could back up Holtby.
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by EmilyB on Nov 29, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And we could keep paying Nylander and Brodeur not to play, while Souray takes on the AHL goons.
You had me at no problem.
I don’t even know what to say about this.
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by kingzman264 on Nov 29, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
With your host Lou from the 70s
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
To everyone specalatin’ about Bieksa not playing lately:
http://twitter.com/hosea24hours/status/9342026164211712
He has pneumonia and has lost 8 pounds already. Though sez he is planning to suit up later this week.
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Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Copper'n'Blue with "clear wins" standings
A clear win is a win by 2 or more goals, since it doesn’t look like winning 1 goal games is a repeatable skill, if you follow the link to Desjardins in the article.
Philly, Pitt, Boston on top of the East (although as Scott notes, Philly’s been blowing out bad teams and struggling with good ones). Detroit leads the pack out West.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I haven’t checked it out yet, but they should eliminate any 2-goal wins that include an empty netter. Those games are a lot closer to one-goal games than “legit” two-plus goal wins, no?
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Agreed.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed; I’m not sure if that was in their methodology (or if Gabe did the same in his research).
Definitely still interesting work, though.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I asked the question over there.
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Wow. We have 6 ENGs (tied for the most in the League) – which I guess would mean that 6 of their 9 “clear victories” were actually one-goal games, no? I don’t think we’ve had any ENGs in a two-goal game before the ENG was scored, at least not that I can remember.
Pittsburgh has 4, Boston and Philly have 2 apiece.
What that doesn’t show, of course, is how many of the “clear losses” came by way of an ENG.
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Depends on how many were of the lead-goes-to-two variety and how many were of the lead-goes-to-three variety.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
None (at least if I’m looking at this right).
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 29, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
If anyone cares...
I calculated an adjusted win% based on empty net goals scored and allowed – obviously operating under the assumption that the majority of games in which an ENG is scored are one-goal games. If someone would like to go back and look at how many of those games were two-goal or even three-goal games prior to the ENG…be my guest ;)
Anyway, here’s how it shakes out:
Obviously based on this, we suck and Buffalo’s a really good team. So…make your own call as to whether these “clear victories” are really a mark of a good team or not.
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by Becca H on Nov 29, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If I recall correctly (excluding any talk about the playoffs), they usually don’t ask how, but how many.
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What stands out to me is that the Caps have scored 6 ENG’s….
I can live with that, as those translate to wins in regulation…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of which. Do you ever see the league one day taking EN goals out of the equiation when figuring out who had the most goals for the Rocket trophy?
No chance. I think it’s more likely that they’d start including shootout goals in the totals (although that’s extremely unlikely as well – just not as unlikely, IMO).
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Why? It takes skill to get open to fire it into the empty net.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 29, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Some. And some take more skill than some “real” goals. If it happens within the 65-minutes of actual hockey, it’s a goal. Period.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This guy completely disagrees with you.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brainumbc, 1%? Really? That’s complete B.S. and you know it. A goal is a goal.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 29, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
No it’s not BS. A goal is a goal in the eyes of the NHL sure. But it doesn’t take anywhere near as much talent to lob a puck over a few heads and into the net as it does to get into the offenseive zone and get it past a goalie.
So what? You think if a 60 minute game with goalies lifted the entire time is going to end up roughly in the same ballpark of a score as a regular game?
Yeah, but if you start qualifying goals based on talent, things get messy. Rebounds off skates, backsides, whatever; should those not count either? Should only the goals that take X amount of talent be counted? Mike Knuble’s going to want to have a word with you.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Nov 29, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Really? Then how come ENGs aren’t scored every single time a team pulls their goalie at the end of the game? It’s not as easy as just lobbing the puck over a few heads. Guys are pretty likely to ice the puck doing that, rather than putting the nail in the coffin. Let’s not forget that the other team has an extra skater, so it’s not exactly easy to even have puck possession in that situation.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 29, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not saying it’s easy. Sure as hell only takes a fraction of the skill though.
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Time to bust out some stats
Not stats that you’re pulling out of your ass (1%), right? ;)
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 29, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
:)
HYPOTHESIS: It takes 4% of the skill to score an empty net goal thana real goal
PROCEDURE: I’m going to do the following
get ratio (A) total EN time played / total nonEN time played
get ratio (B) number EN goals / number non EN goals
(power plays may make this # not extremely reliable but for argument’s sake we’ll say that 6 on 4 EN time and 5 on 3 or 5 on 4 time won’t factor in too much)
ROUGH WAY TO TEST HYPOTHESIS:
The two ratio’s should be roughly the same if the dificulty in scoring both types of goals are the same
If B’s ratio is lets say 25 times larger than A, then for each second of hockey, you’re 1/25 times (4%) likely to score a non EN goal than an EN goal for each second of hockey.
The hard park is getting the short handed total time. Looking for that now
The frequency with which ENGs occur does not speak to the skill required to score one.
You had me at no problem.
Trying to shoot a puck within 6 feet of horizontal space from ~20ish yards or more isn’t exactly easy. It’s one thing to be stripped in the neutral zone, only to have Nicklas Backstrom take it right back and feed you all alone for a tap in (even then you have Patrik Stefan-type stuff), but Semin’s ENG against Tampa for example was a curl and drag to get around the pressure.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. I think over a large enough sample,. that if you’re 25 times more likely to score a certain type of goal then it’s safe to say that type of goal is 25 times easier to score.
Granted there are some factors that are impossible to calculate, like during regular non-EN play, you aren’t trying to attack the net 100% of the time (trying to penalty kill or just kill the clock) but as far as the actual ratio’s, it should give a good idea of freqeuncy.
I think that’s the best way to really judge how easy a type of goal is to score.
I mean, it’s safe to say that power play goals are easier to score than regular strength? Correct? And that stat is based on what? The numbers don’t like. The average PP effectiveness is about 18-20% right? In any given 2 minute span of even strength you’re chance of scoring isn’t anywhere near that so it’s safe to say PP goals are easier to score. And that is based upon frequency
Is it really debatable that it’s easier to shoot into an open 6×4 space than into a 6×4 space occupied by a ~6-foot/200-lb person wearing pads who’s trying to prevent the puck from getting past him?
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No. But now this discussion has turned into a nit picky sub-thread about how MUCH easier EN goals are :)
And it’s intruiged my interest. I really em interested in how much more likely a goal is to be scored during an EN period of time than a non EN period of time.
Like I said, the difficult time is getting the actual stats of how many second of EN time and non EN time were played each game.
I’ve been to hockey reference. The only way i can see to do it is get the length of time of each time and then go through every single game and add up the goalie’s time on ice. The difference will be the EN time.
The problem is, I can’t fine anywhere on hockey reference to get this stat.
It might be on NHL.com but not in an easily copy/paste to excel kind format
Anyone have any ideas?
That was probably the worst post I ever made grammer wise. Let me sum up.
I need to get the total EN minutes played and the easiest way to get it would be to calculate total game time played minus the TOI of all the goalies.
The problem is, I don’t see any where in hockey ref.com that shows stats on goalie’s TOI
Well should SH goals count more, since they’re harder to score? What about PP goals counting less since you’ve got an extra attacker?
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I agree with you. SH goals are probably scored in much less frequency (given normalized ice time) than regular strength goals.
But if you’re talking about adjusting the # of goals scored during EN and non-EN time by weeding out PP and SH time, I could do that so only true 6 on 5 and true 5 on 5 time is considered in my calculation
The fact is that all goals – SHG, PPG, ENG, ESG – should count the same because at any given time there will be one from each category that is harder to score and one from each category that is easier. To give them different weights is to dismiss the effort that can go into these things.
For example, consider Laich’s SHG against the Devils earlier this year, where Hedberg essentially gave him the puck (and the net) vs. the ENG scored against Boston, when the Bruins were hurling themselves in front of a puck.
It’s the same argument as with assists, they go to the last guy(s) to touch the puck before the goal was scored because sometimes it’s a great pass and sometimes it just deflects off a guy’s butt to the goal-scorer. Both count.
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Does an EN SH goal cancel itself out and count the same as an even strength goal? I think Nicky had one this season where we were on the PK and they pulled the goalie
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What if a goalie scores on himself? Is that an ENG?
What if Ovechkin dekes the goalie out of his skates so bad that the goalie is no longer even in the crease? Is that an ENG?
If Stamkos scores with such ease that the goalie might as well not even be there, is that taken into account?
You had me at no problem.
The fact is that all goals – SHG, PPG, ENG, ESG – should count the same
Again, sorry. We’re not arguing about whether or not they should be counted. We’re just trying to gauge difficulty. I’m interested in seeing the frequency (given normalized ice time) of the different types of goals and seeing as how much everyone here foams at the mouth over stats, I bet other people mind find this information interesting.
For example, consider Laich’s SHG against the Devils earlier this year, where Hedberg essentially gave him the puck (and the net) vs. the ENG scored against Boston, when the Bruins were hurling themselves in front of a puck.
a) This is why I’m going to take as large of a sample of data as possible (preferable more than just this season) so that flukes affect the frequency less. Every type of goal has it’s own examples of flukes, and over a large population of data/time the more accurate the results
b) The flukes aren’t even really flukes in SH situations if yuou think about it. SH goals are indeed harder to score, but they have their own unique sets of scenarios that occur. PP situations seem to cause the attacking taem to try more desperately to keep the puck onside which cause unique circumstances to their special team scenarios. Certain situations like this can cause for “fluke” goals but they really aren’t flukes, they’re just products of circumstances that are unique to the type of special situation they’re in so they still need to be included in the calculations
You’re still probably not going to have a good enough sample. Consider the Caps’ 313 goals last season weren’t close to enough. May be interesting to try, but probably nothing meaningful would come out of it (unless I’m seriously misjudging the amount of empty netters).
Can we just agree the difficulty is greater than 1% or 4% or whatever you said above, but not quite 100%?
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Can we just agree the difficulty is greater than 1% or 4% or whatever you said above, but not quite 100%?
Sure if you want. I’m still going to do the work regarless. It’s no skin off your back. :) I think if you can get a sample of over 50,000-100,000 goals you’re probably likely to get a semi accurate look at frequency. 300 goals a season times 30? teams
That gives you roughly 9000 goals scored per season. 5 seasons worth of data should work :)
I found an easy way to get total time on ice for all goalies. Now I gotta find a way to get total time played for all games
But I thought of one thign that might juke my stats. EN time because of a delayed penalty. It’s virtually impossible to score an EN goal.
But then again if that’s so, it will only affect the stats in a way that fhat make EN goals more difficult, so I can still say that EN goals are AT LEAST this much more frequent (probably more) but it will give me a baseline
I know I’m a touch late to this, but anyway…
If it doesn’t take as much talent, then why were some very talented caps players able to get 6-8 shots at net (from inside the blue line) vs carolina three games ago (without scoring, i might add)?
A goal is a goal. Otherwise 5-on-3 goals don’t count either because it takes less talent to score in 3 skaters than it does on 5. (We can take this to the absurd and not count PP goals either)
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So your saying its just as easy to shoot a 100’ goal through possibly 9 other people, as it is to do – lets go with Car’s first goal last night.
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They’re almost if you bounce it off the boards. towards the middle. No one’s going to want to do that though and give it straight to the goalie. You put it along the boards and it takes longer for the goalie to get to it
If EN goals are so damn hard then why don’t teams pull their goalie turing the power play?
That is an absurd reduction. There are differing levels of difficulty. An EN goal aint easy, but it is easier than a 5-on-5 goal….
Not to mention that in certain game situations, it is actually detrimental. For example, I think that you lose the bonus point of you pull the goalie in OT and lose due to an EN goal.
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That is an absurd reduction
What is? The fact that I say sending it along the boards is going to cause it to take longer for the team to get it back into the zone? I’m not saying it’s a significant amount of time, but it’s a hell of a lot harder to roll your line when you clean it and it’s sent straight to the goalie; he’s gonna’ come out of the crease and tap it back at a player to get the rush started faster. 2-3 extra seconds during a clear makes a hell of a different when trying to switch lines at the rate Bruce does when Pking
Except that on the PK you won’t ice it. In a 5-on-6 situation, icing will be called. Which is why full ice clears are rare and players tend to try to carefully move it out of the D zone.
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It’s gonna take a while to calculate total EN time
But just think about this. There have been 54 EN goals this year out of a total 1913 goals scored
That’s 2.8227914% of the goals scored being EN goals.lets say 40% of games go to an EN situation (rough estimate) with an average time of 1:15 empty net (some longer for 2 goals down, some shorter when u cant get it in the zone) then thats about 30 seconds of EN time per game league wide average. That means a team spends about 0.8333% of their time shooting at an empty net but scoring 2.82 percent of their goals during that time.
So you’re ~3.4 times more likely to score a goal in an empty net situation than 5v5 (about a third of EN’s result in goals). That’s a much higher probability than a 5 v 4. Hell. That’s probably roughly same same frequency as a 1 minute 5 on 3.
So super easy as I mentioned before (taking 1 % off the skill) ? Nope. But a lucky bounce is all it takes
See here for scoring rates:
http://www.behindthenethockey.com/2007/12/what-happens-when-you-pull-your-goalie.html
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Neuvy’s SO against CAR was 3-0 with the ENG.
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It’d be sweet if I included the the link to the article I was referencing
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How long until the stat community whittles the game down to a five minute span of tied hockey in the second period?
I’m not really buying the concept. I bet the Caps would have been great in this metric last year, how’d that work? Most playoff games aren’t convincing wins, so how much predictive value is even in this stat?
Blowouts are convincing wins but aren’t the sign of a great team, or at least so we’ve been told repeatedly.
Call me crazy, but I think situational hockey is much more important than a final score.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure why you’re hatin’ – if there’s statistical significance to something, what’s wrong with looking at it?
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I think it’s in reference to the fact that Corsi/Fenwick are only really considered relevant for 5v5 play when the game is tied.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
Some use score close to increase the sample just a bit.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure there’s much statistical significance. What is the significance, exactly?
D’oh is right, I have a problem with the stat community leaving so much of the game (or so many games) on the cutting room floor because of this or that reason. I think games are unique and last for 60+ minutes and generally all of it matters. I don’t want to throw out Corsi/Fenwick when the game is tied because of score effects; I think playing with a lead or from behind matters. I don’t want to throw out close games because it’s nota “repeatable skill”; I think winning tooth and nail games matters.
Again, if there’s a meaningful upshot then I’m all ears, but we blew the doors off the league with “clear wins” last year and then fell in the playoiffs in three straight “not repeatable skill” loses.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
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Don’t want to throw out Corsi/Fenwick when the score isn’t tied.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not talking about this specific example, but rather your line about “five minutes,” which was clearly mocking the stat community. All I’m saying is that if something is statistically significant (term of art, and there’s no way a five-minute chunk of the 2nd period would be), it should be considered and not mocked.
And ultimately, not even the most significant, predictive stats can tell you what a given outcome is going to be with 100% certainty. If the 2009-10 Caps play the Habs 100 times in Games 5-7 scenarios, they probably win more than zero of those games. But they didn’t in the three last year. Luck comes into play. So does that big word you were tossing around the other day.
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The 5 minute line definitely was mocking. I guess I’ve just been frustrated by the “Better late than never” series at BtN. It comes off as too smart for the room and they are trying to use stats to prove how much smarter they are and how we plebes are so dumb. I’m sorry, but when your conclusions are that CBJ would be a succesful franchise in any other division and that COL isn’t very good then I call BS. COL had some luck, but they were also much better than CBJ.
Everytime they justify ignoring a particular part of the game it irks me. Focusing just on ES of a tie game is silly because of how much of the game isn’t played in those situations. I will look at the stats these guys crank out, and many of them are interesting, but all too often I think these guys draw too broad conclusions and aren’t critical enough of their own work. They just trust their numbers and shut off their bullshit detector.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough, and I agree that this stuff can get a bit myopic. Anyone that trusts one set of data to tell them a full story is doing themselves a disservice. Like anything else, any analysis should be considered in context and as one arrow in the analytical quiver, as it were.
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I’m sorry, but when your conclusions are that CBJ would be a succesful franchise in any other division and that COL isn’t very good then I call BS.
To wit, Col beat CBJ 5-1, 5-2, 3-2 and 3-2 last year.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
You disagree that COL massively outperformed their “true talent level” last year?
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Not at all. But the implication of the two pieces was that CBJ was “better” than COL last year: they had CBJ as a solid playoff team were they in another division and COL as a borderline lottery-pick team. If Colorado had gone 4-0 against Columbus and every game were close, I’d be slightly more inclined to believe it.
In the end, I agree with the assertion that COL got a bit lucky (and it showed against SJS), but I don’t think they got quite as lucky as BtN might suggest. I also don’t think that CBJ would have necessarily been a playoff team in another division.
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My guess is that “lucky” teams get underrepresented in Corsi since if the bounces go your way, there’s really no need to try and play better. In the same way, Chicago wasn’t getting those bounces (27th in team PDO), so I think they tried a bit harder or made adjustments to boost their Corsi a bit.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t really care what the stats say. The 2009-10 Columbus Blue Jackets were terrible. I saw them twice live and four times on TV, and they sucked.
by Chris Burton on Nov 29, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Statistics can be abused. You have to make sure the analysis that you are doing is meaningful and representative. I work with clinical trials and we can find significant results, but they have no clinical meaning. For example, we can find a very small change to be significant, but it’s not a change that would really make any difference to a patient in their symptoms. I didn’t read the article that is being discussed, but you can abuse statistical analysis to prove any point. Basically go looking until you find a significant result. I’m not saying that is what they did, but if the result they find it so counter-intuitive, it either means that everyone is wrong, or the analysis is suspect.
Further to wit: CBJ has a fantastically mediocre record outside their division. If they were slaying the rest of the league and just being beaten up in the division I’d listen, but they are mediocre against everyone.
Telling that in their entire history they have one playoff entrance and it came with the result of Calder trophy (and Vezina finalist, right?) Goaltending. Succesful teams can win without white hot goaltending. But BtN boils it down to bad luck and a tough division. I think a lot of that “bad luck” (specifically their poor PP) can be more accurately attributed to being a bad team.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Part of it I think is the team’s perception. Seems to me like the whole article is saying that Columbus isn’t a bottom 5 team but more like a ~15 team, which is still out of the playoffs in the West.
Did you read the Mile High Hockey threads about the Avalanche better late than never?
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I read some of them, but the MHH one got too crazy.
I liked the one comment at BtN where the guy suggested that maybe it was just a problem with BtN’s model and not the Avs. Didn’t see a response to that but it’s something I’ve said quite a bit. Basically BtN seems to want to assert that COL is a .450 team that lucked their way to 95 points but I don’t know how you can assert who is the .450 team and who is the 95 point team legitimately. I don’t like that they leave so much of the game out of the analysis and then just say “must be luck” because COL doesn’t conform to their definition of a 95 point team.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know if Desjardins article really clearly demonstrates that it is not a repeatable skill. A quote from the article itself:
“While the trend is certainly downwards as scoring increases, several points confirm that it’s possible to have both high-scoring and a high correlation between overall performance and performance in one-goal games.”
I’ve tried to argue that winning close games could be within a team’s control but it seems most people think that since teams don’t show that ability over the course of several seasons then it’s not really a skill under the team’s control.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d say it is for sure within one season too, but the sample is so small it’s not enough to know mathematically.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I just remembered that I had Byfuglien on my fantasy team but dropped him at the end of October
Someone smack me with a trout
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Isn’t there some reference in Monty Python to a Fish-slapping dance?
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Puck Daddy Radio Question of the Day…Who is the MVP for your team so far this season?
I’ve got Neuvirth. Am I right or wrong?
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You’d be leaning the wrong way.
Where would the Caps be right now without Neuvy? Worse than where they’d be sans Semin, great as he’s been this year.
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Good point. I’m convinced. Maybe if Semin had more than 1 GW goal his case would be a little stronger
Eh, GWG is a crap stat, for the most part.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True. I guess it would be more helpful if I took the Caps’ record with Semin, and then calculated the scores of all their games had Semin’s goals not been scored.
Then again, someone else would have been in his place.
There’s gotta be a way to calculate how much his goals were needed.
Like a. . . value over replacement player stat.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Nov 29, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad GVT is broken.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not just GVT, but the amount that those goals themselves were worth.
If Semin piles on the goals during a 5-0 game, those goals are really needed. They’re not VALUABLE, technically speaking.
If he scores goals in a close game, then those are valuable because the outcomes of the game is more related to those goals
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt. I’m definately not arguing that, but I just think that goals that are scored when you’re team is down by 1 or tied should go more towards your MVP-ness than an icing-on-the-cake kinda goal in the 3rd period when there’s 10 minutes left and your team is up by 5
But what happens when your team is up by 5, you score a goal to make it six, and then the other team blows your doors off and puts up 5 in a very short amount of time to make the game 6-5? Does that sixth goal now mean more?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Does that sixth goal now mean more?
Yes it does. Then techically it’s not a blowout anymore and like I said, that goal is worth more in retrospect since the game ended up being a 1 goal game.
But I get you’re point. If that’s the case, they player didn’t rise to the occasion or do anything clutch. he just scored a goal when the other time had pretty much given up.
So, Campbellonomics?
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
We’ve gotten so wrapped up in the details of some of these replied I think half of us have just forgotten what the hell we were originally talking about
Unfortunately measured in some point system, not goals. Most recent edition was six days ago.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
As is the concept of “replacement level player” as it pertains to hockey.
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How’s that? You don’t think there exists, conceptually, an “average” hockey player?
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I don’t like GVT a lot, but in the same number of GPs one guy has a 20 GVT and the other a 5 GVT, I’d think the first was more valuable. Not exactly out in left field.
I think he meant in that he doesn’t like GVT (to put it lightly) as a VORP-type evaluation statistic. What I meant above is that the GVT calculator is broken right now.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t like GVT all that much either. But I think that, theoretically, you could isolate an individual’s contribution and compare that to other players’ contributions. Conceptually, to me, it works.
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I guess theoretically you can separate a player’s contribution from their teammates’, but we aren’t fully there yet. Even given that I think it leaves GVT as a better tool to compare teammates than opponents because I think coaching effects are one of the areas the stat community has least been able to address (same problem for “quality” stats).
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think that taking a cue from MLB VORP is misguided because in MLB performance is basically individual and separable from his teammates’ performance. I also think there is greater specialization in hockey. The replacement player for Steckel/Gordon might be Beagle, but it might be A. Gordon for Fehr. Then you consider how it changes lines, maybe forves players to swap wings/center, etc. And I think it gets a lot messier. Changing a batting lineup just doesn’t have the same impact, IMO. Saying there is a baseline expectation for any player ignores a ton of context that I haven’t seen incorporated into the hockey “replacement player” analysis as of now.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That presents a real (and, quite possibly, insurmountable) problem if you’re trying quantify replacement value, but I don’t think it changes things conceptually. You’re probably looking for a different type of player when you’re looking to replace Fleischmann as opposed to Steckel, but it stills makes sense to factor how effectively you’re going to be able to replace those guys with AHLers.
Of course you’d want to know how well you can replace a guy, but until the hockey community finds a way to evaluate top 6 and bottom 6 with a more nuanced approach I will be skeptical. I’d like to see a set of numbers that compares Steckel and Beagle and one that compares Fehr/Flash/A. Gordon. Not one set that tries to evaluate all of them, one size fits all.
You never play offense and defense at the same time in MLB so it’s easy to separate the contributions and you generally don’t have a total offensive anchor (Steckel) just because of his particular defensive role (FO, checking line, PK). What is the MLB equivalent of a PK or FO specialist?
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Defensive catcher or defensive SS would be the closest equivalents, no?
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Usually the “corner” positions are considered the “power” positions while the positions up the middle (short, second) you usually don’t have power hitters.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think that has more to do with selection biases related to body type. Middle guys have to cover much more ground and can’t be carrying extra weight or overly big. Corners have less territory to cover so it is more forgiving of larger guys.
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I thought about that but the main difference is that those guys don’t come close to playing daily. Every skater that dresses plays in a hockey game so you don’t have the luxury of having guys dressed for special limited situations. If you did, Godfrey would be in the NHL. Also, I’m not sure how those guys measure up to replacement player quality in the MLB.
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If you did, Godfrey would be in the NHL.
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A replacement level player is by definition below average. A replacement level player is generally a high end AHL player that has reached his peak.
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Yeah. That’s one of the biggest misunderstandings of “replacement-level” in baseball.
Replacement level ≠ average.
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It’s sort of irrelevant though, right? All you’re doing is determining a baseline for your numbers and then comparing. If you find a satisfactory way to define “average” it would work similarly, with numbers just being adjusted down for all players.
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No, it’s not. At least not in terms of roster construction. If replacement level = average, then you could go out and assemble a 41-41 team from AHL and waiver retreads.
Replacement level needs to be, by definition, well below average. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be available, and the point is to determine how much better a given player is than one who is readily available for “free.”
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Agreed. Without Neuvy while Varly was injured we’d have had Holtby for all of October? Ouch.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
But defense and goaltending don’t win games.
Goals do.
Tongue in cheek aside, I’ve never quit gotten the saying “defense wins championships.” Because the people who chant it like buddhist monks make it seem like everything else on a team doesn’t matter. End of the day in every sport the winner is determined by the score, and you certainly won’t win scoring no points.
Besides Teams win championships, not individual players or individual aspects. Det, Pitt, Chi all were quite balanced teams.
But I’d go with JP on the original question. Neuvirth is the MVP so far. Semin scoring so much is great, but we also have a team full of very capable scorers. Though if Varly can keep his level if play he’s demonstrated so far for 15 or so games I’d be at a real standstill.
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Neuvirth, Semin, and then it gets fuzzy I think.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
You mean its rubbing off on Holtby. Heard he broke his hand punching some guy out in his crease.
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Goalies have it easy in the team MVP discussion. Neuvy gets the hat tip here, only because Varly was hurt for so long. It’s about drop-off and replacement value, and because we had no replacement for Neuvy for so long, he was terribly important.
Semin has pretty consistently(that word! In that context! My god!) been the best skater on the ice thus far.
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Which is why so many goalies win league MVP.
Its harder for goalies to be MVPs of their team because they have to play very well and their defense has to play very poorly. No goalie will be considered for Vezina even if he makes 19 of 20 saves every night.
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This situation is slightly exceptional though, in that 1) with Varly injured there really wasn’t a viable backup option, and 2) Neuvy was playing absolutely phenomenally through October. Neuvy is definitely responsible for several of the Caps’ wins that month.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed. Purely from stats looking at Varly’s games you woulnd’t think he played THAT well because each game was all of 25 shots max? Most people won’t make a big deal out of 19 of 20 saves for the goalie and say the defense was playing fantastic instead. But Varly has been playing very well even with having so few shots against.
I mean I’d say Varly’s best game so far was as good as Neuvirth’s best but it isn’t totally seen that way because Varly had to make 21 or 22 saves and Neuvi made like 37. I was talking in more general terms for league goalie recognition.
I think Neuvi has been the MVP so far because the games the D played poorly he bailed them out and has been playing very well, and looking that good, stealing a few wins early on and keeping the caps in games they should of been blown out.
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Neuvy is absolutely the MVP so far. He kept the team in game after game early as the offense recovered its timing and equilibrium, and while our impressive fleet of rookies at D and center were figuring out their roles. For an impressive stretch of games we knew he would allow two goals then swing the door shut in the third, allowing second period fireworks and then the wall would go up. We were seven games into the season and 25 perfect PKs before a single PP goal against went in, and that was against Varly (@Boston 10/21).
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by NJNJ on Nov 29, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When he’s in, the Caps win…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 29, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
As bad as CBJ's new third jersey is...
Looks like they one-upped themselves with a new terrible mascot
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Also, what happened to the bug’s pants?
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So…wait, they’re replacing the creepy pantsless bug with the creepier cannon? Or will they have a creepy third mascot to go with their boring third jersey? So confused.
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I think the latter. His name is “Boomer”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was a giant gray bong.
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Ho. Lee. Shit.
Is that a bong?
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Little known fact: The guy inside the costume is Michael Phelps.
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I was going with Tim Lincecum, but Phelps works.
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On Deadspin they referred to it as “Name that Mascot Dong”
Here’s part 2, UMass-Boston’s “Beacon”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
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Dear God…
I just noticed he has fucking WHEELS
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus. It’s a bong in a wheelchair.
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by J.P. on Nov 29, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
That looks like Wilford Brimley.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
But then they would have had to make it a giant bridge.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I also didn’t realize how frightening their original mascot was. He looks like a rabid, pantsless Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle in clown shoes.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
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His antennae are hockey sticks, which is kinda cool.
But the whole bug thing is ripping off Thunderbug(hoo hoo).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I just wonder in what way it relates to the Columbus Blue Jackets. . .
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by kingzman264 on Nov 29, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Way to go, Columbus. Now the damn thing’s got wheels!
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 29, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
………….wow. I’m scared of mascots anyway (shut up, they’re scary) but that thing might be the most terrifying one of all.
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It could be the most hilarious thing i’ve ever seen. I want him at my birthday party.
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Agree. I’ve been laughing for a good 10 minutes.
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by kingzman264 on Nov 29, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for making me giggle on this oh so crappy Monday.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heat Map for Goals Scored
This shows goals scored from the Finnish SL, and comes via BtN, but I thought it was interesting enough to post here. Next time you ask yourself why Mr Semin always aims for the top shelf, you’ll know why.
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by fat_daddyo on Nov 29, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
The emergence of the butterfly is the single most underrated “change” in the history of hockey. That map just goes to show how potent taking away the lower part of the net is.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 29, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
So true. Interesting how there are virtually no five-hole goals. I like to think that has something to do with the grotesque cheatcodes known as thigh-risers that stick out half a foot or more above the goalies’ knees.
That is fascinating. Although, I wonder why the bottom right is so much hotter than the bottom left. Small sample size, maybe. That’s the answer to everything.
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Glove side versus blocker side? Seems to be like goalies are taking away the blocker side ever so slightly more than glove side since the glove is easier to move, I guess (or I’ve been watching the wrong goalies!).
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
This is just a guess. . .
Since most goaltenders are right-handed, they wear their glove on their left hand. Perhaps saves are easier in the low-corners with the stick/blocker than the glove
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Apparently. Maybe because the blocker is bigger than the catching glove? Or maybe those flashy glove saves are flashy because they’re more rare than blocker saves.
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by CapitalCentre on Nov 29, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
In my experience low blocker saves are much more difficult than low glove saves. It’s harder to get the same extension with the same quickness with your stick hand. Low blocker about a foot off the ice is one of the toughest straight shot saves for a goalie to make.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
In watching the Devils/Flyers shootout, the Devils scored twice on Bobrovsky by going low blocker…it definitely looked like they were picking that spot, too.
It will be interesting to see if that emerges as the book on him.
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In Game 2 MTL Fehr scored on a breakaway low blocker (and Backstrom’s first two were there as well), and I think two of AO’s goals against Price were there too.
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, while i was typing what i did above. . .it just didnt seem right.
I could only think of a few other reasons that would attribute to the above data:
1) I’ve always found it easier to shoot towards the right side of the goal and not across my body/through the defender on my left. And im right handed, similar to most hockey players ( i think)
2) Goalies are cheating left slightly because it is so hard to make that blocker save that they leave more space open on the right
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On point 1, two-thirds of NHL players are lefty shots.
Note, of course, that the data is from the Finnish league, and I have no idea of the distribution there.
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Per the original article, though, 81% of Finnish NHL’ers are lefty shots.
Country Pct
CAN 64
US 63
Sweden 84
Finland 81
Czech 65
CCCP 86
Rest Europe 83
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Makes me wonder how many NHLers are ambidextrous, if any.
I am, and when I played I’d switch all the time depending on where I was playing. Though I only played as a kid. I’m sure by the time players go pro its one side and one side only.
You certainly don’t see a lot of switch hitters in baseball either.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 29, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
wow. i had no idea. . .i just figured with so many more people being right handed that there’d be more rightie shots
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I don’t play hockey so I don’t know, but don’t some guys find it easier to be a left-handed shot when they’re right-handed and vice versa? I feel like I read/heard that once…or I could be making it up.
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actually, there are plenty who prefer their dominant hand on the top and some people have their dominant hand up top because its alot easier for them to poke-check. i didnt think it was a majority though
i’ve never even thought about changing hands or even attempting to put my right hand up top
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I’ve been curious about this actually. I’ve been thinking about trying to get playing again and I want to decide to play lefty or righty. I’m kinda goofily ambidextrous. Since I was a kid, I have always used a left handed hockey stick.
I write left handed and tend to do tasks that require more refined motion with the left hand. However, due to the right-handedness of the world I use things like scissors, can openers, and computer mice right handed.
However, I do anything that requires power right handed. Throwing a ball with my left arm is like using a gimpy limb. I am also a right handed golfer (I’m not terrible, and I worked at a golf course as a kid, so this right-handed golf thing is pretty well ingrained).
So given that, I have always played hockey left handed, am much more confidant stick handling lefty. However, I have no power that way. I can’t get anything behind a slapshot for the life me of. Part of this is due to lack of any technique, but I also cant move my body that way from the left side. Due to golf, I can make the motion better from the right side, yet I have no stick handling ability with the righty grip. What to do? Dig out the old flat blade?
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The top hand is your control hand, the bottom hand is your power hand. Sounds like you’ve got a choice to make. Playing righty seems like the way to go for you, if you can pick it up quick enough. Sounds like you’ve got a nice skill asymmetry for your hands that points to playing righty. At the end of the day, though, you should just play however feels most comfortable. Get a flat stick and stickhandle and shoot both ways for a while and figure out which feels more natural.
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Or buy two sticks of opposite handedness. I mean, you’re already paying $500 for equipment – what’s $30 bucks more?
Do they even sell sticks for $30 anymore?
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After you have played gold or baseball right handed, its really really hard to try to use a hockey stick left handed.
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I’m in a weird situation because I started hockey lefty before I started golf. Given, it was playing on the street in front of my house on inline skates (i’ve never played ice, which is why I might take a chance and make a change). I don’t recall the logic that had me play golf righty. Never really played baseball past tee-ball so I can’t comment there.
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Rec’d for awesome. Gotta wonder who drove one through the goalie’s sternum, though.
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by bigonetimer on Nov 29, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shea Weber, that’s who.
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ENG?
After all, they only take 1% of the skill of a real goal….
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Using state of the art imaging technology I loaded this image into some software I got from a team of MIT’s finest programmers and used it to generate an image of the most common position a goalie shapes himself into to make a save and came up with the following result:
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I’m intrigued by the lone “warm” spot in the dead center of the goal…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats Cody! Give ’em hell.
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#Caps prospect Cody Eakin is on the WJC camp list for Canada. Thanks to @reporterchris for that.
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by EmilyB on Nov 29, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
What about McIlrath?
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m getting the feeling F&B doesn’t like the pick (from a Rangers perspective)…
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well I think it was a terrible pick but there is more history there (which you full well know) so I’ll take great pleasure watching him bust.
He wasn’t on the summer camp roster (19D were invited) so barring an insane first 1/3 in the WHL I think it’s unlikely he made the cut.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the list to date
Goalies:
Pickard
Roy
Visentin
Anderson
Defense:
Barrie
Cowen
Despres
Ellis
Gormley
Gudbranson
Mcnabb
Murphy
Murray
Olsen
Pysyk
DeHaan
Forwards:
Ashton
Bournival
Connolly
Couturier
Eakin
Foligno
Gallagher
Hamilton
Hishon
Howden
Howse
Johansen
Kassian
Leblanc
Nugent Hopkins
Pirri
Ross
Schwarz
Sheahan
Smith
Vey
Wilson
Czikas
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My guess on the final D corps is Ellis, Despres (don’t like how good he is), Gudbranson, Gormley,De Haan, and Cowen. Probably between Olsen and Pysyk for the final spot, I’ll guess Olsen.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yo sis .... call me
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by TheFuryUnleashed on Nov 29, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Go, ginger!
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by CapitalCentre on Nov 29, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I got so wrapped up in reading comments I forgot that I opened Clips in a new tab to post a link to BSH, Travis on bloggers.
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In the link to the TheScore video in that article, wow Cox is a fucking moron. How does he have a job writing about hockey? The things he’s saying are so irrelevant to the issue they’re discussing and don’t even come close to being applicable to Dellow’s article on the Campbell e-mails. He also doesn’t realize that he does multiple things that he complains about. What an ass-hat.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 29, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you can use the information here:
NHL Code
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Holy. Shit.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Damn skippy.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Someone asks about advanced stats in hockey, a Oilergosphere Corsiatti drops by with some links which contain some more links, which have some more links…or I finally decided to click on Vic Ferrari’s name on Irreverent Oilers Fans and saw he had this other blog. I tries using it to scrape the gamesheets, but no luck—I’m just getting black HTML files.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
*blank. Eh, I’ll figure it out later.
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by red army line on Nov 29, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Scraping the gamesheets would be wayyyy easier if the NHL bothered to put proper ids/classes in the table rows and elements.
I have had some success using the python html parsing module BeautifulSoup to scrape the game sheets for two fan posts I put together last year.
If you (or anyone) wants that code to get something started, you are welcome to it, just e-mail at my profile address.
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This has been the clips thread most likely to make my eyes cross…ow, the stats! The goggles do nothing!
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by Becca H on Nov 29, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
trade deadline math
According to Cap Geek, The Caps Currently have over 3.72 million in cap space.
Because salary cap figures are calculated each day, and because the Caps would only be on the hook for 40 days worth of salary brought on at the trade deadline, (trade deadline is March 2nd, final NHL season game is April 10th) they can theoretically add several big contracts at the deadline.
If my math is correct, (and that’s a big If) the Caps can add salary equivalent of approximately 17,949,000 and still finish the season under the cap.
If any body wants to check my math,
40 days * (17,949,000 / 193) = 3,720,000
That number seems high, and I haven’t brushed up on my CBA reading in a couple years, so feel free to correct me.
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The caps have plenty of room for just about anyone. Its just a question of next season Cap. Trading for a guy how makes 4 mil for the next 5 seasons really hurts attempts at resigning: Laich, Alzner, Varly, Bradley, Gordon, Hendricks, Knuble, Erksine, Semin, and Flash
Not that I think all of those guys will be resigned, but the ones that do are mostly likely getting pay raises.
But GMGM can totally pull a Joe Corvo again, get an impending UFA, with just about any salary and be well under the cap.
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Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
Which is why the key questions is what are we giving up for the rental.
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Its just a question of next season
Which is why nearly all trade deadline deals involve expiring contracts. I crunched the numbers because I was curious that with all of the Brad Richards rumors flying around, and with Toronto and NYR being mentioned I was surprised that the Caps were not. Brad Richards fits their needs a lot more than Marty.
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by Sombrero Guy on Nov 29, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Brad Richards would be amazing… But we’d still need a top-4 d-man. Or two.
You had me at no problem.
Actually, while I think a top-4 dman would be nice, the Caps have 5 guys playing at that level right now. Just a serviceable 3rd pair guy would round out the D quite nicely.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 29, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Erskine’s remarkable Movember seems to have made many here forget how they felt about him before. And Alzner and Carlson, while much improved, still make a great many rookie mistakes.
Any serviceable NHL defenseman would obviously be an upgrade over Sloan or Fahey, but I’d really like to see someone who can push Erskine and Alzernson’s minutes down. A top-4 of Green, Schultz, Poti, and a new addition would make me very happy.
You had me at no problem.
Erskine’s remarkable Movember seems to have made many here forget how they felt about him before.
Not me. He’s playing well, but it won’t last.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
I think that saying he’ll regress to his old ‘bad hockey’ days is a bit of an unfair assumption. Perhaps he has actually gotten a bit better? He may, and most likely, will regress to a lower point; but, how are we to know that point may be a little bit higher than last year?
Then again, i may be making an unfair assumption that your reasoning behind your assumption is based on a regression
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I think that saying he’ll regress to his old ‘bad hockey’ days is a bit of an unfair assumption.
So you grant more importance to a hot stretch of nine games than you give to a nine-year career?
Perhaps he has actually gotten a bit better?
Really? At age 30? Perhaps he’s just on a little hot streak.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
I don’t think that the nine game hot streak he’s on should define who is he as a player; but, they can serve as a modicum of evidence that he may play better this year.
He could’ve worked on any number of things during the offseason: skating, shooting, conditioning. I don’t think he’ll continue this pace at all. . .but, i am still willing to wait and see if maybe he regresses to a point a little higher than “bad hockey”
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He stated that he worked on his skating all summer. If that was the magic potion, he’s an idiot for not doing it every summer for the last 10 years.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 29, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d still prefer a top-4 type guy, in case of injury. Otherwise, one bad injury in the playoffs and we’re asking four of Green-Schultz-Carlson-Alzner-Poti to log minutes like Pronger-Carle-Timonen-Coburn.
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
There’s 0.00000000001% chance of getting Richards I fear, but that guy would be a beast at 2C here if he was willing to take the demotion.
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Did I look on great Orion sloping slowly to the West.
Not sure it would be a demotion if he got to center Semin. He’d get more helpers than the average 1C. And with the way BB like to juggle things, he’d probably get plenty of time on the top line too.
It would be a perfect match. The 2C we need with Cup winning experience.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 29, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see it as being that low. Who knows what Dallas is asking for him, but given the ownership’s (Tom Hicks) financial difficulties, I have a heard time seeing them pony up money to re-sign Richards before the deadline.
I think Richards has a NTC which may be the only issue, but given that the Caps could part with a pick, prospect and young NHLer, I’d think long and hard about making that deal.
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by Sombrero Guy on Nov 29, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’d waive the NTC, but until DAL falls off it’s moot. They won’t give up on a possible playoff run. That’s lots of money into their pockets even if they only get the minimum of two home games. He’ll move Richards and save coin as soon as he thinks they are done, but he’s hoping for that playoff cash cow.
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agreed. And since all 5 teams in the Pacific are within 2 points of each other, the Stars could hang close enough to be within shouting distance of the playoffs at the end of February.
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by Sombrero Guy on Nov 29, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Getting DAL out of the playoffs is step one. Then we still have to worry about GMGM being willing to fork over what it would cost to get Richards.
Lehtinen is on borrowed time, so at some point we’ll see what Raycroft can do getting regular starts for a while.
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It will/would cost a bundle to bring back Richards. I don’t think Flash/Holtby/Second is going to do it, and I doubt GMGM would go higher than that?
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I’d give up a first, Flash/Fehr, and any non-current-roster prospect except possibly Kuznetsov.
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Dallas doesn’t need top-six forward help; they need good defensemen, like the Caps. That alone makes it improbable that the Caps and Stars are trading partners. If we can convince them to take Orlov, great; if not, who the heck are we going to give up?
If they are out of the playoffs, then it doesn’t matter what they need. They just need assets. Fehr is another big guy to go along with Benn and Neal. I think they could be interested in him. They aren’t going to look to beef up their D for the last few months of the season if they are out of it. A first round pick is high value and they can turn that into help at any position they want.
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Fehr would indeed make more sense than Flash – they need more help down the right side than the left. Playing with Ribeiro and Neal or Ribeiro and Morrow would fit him fairly well.
You’re right, though. Looking at their system, they lack prospects pretty much everywhere except goal, and there, they only have Jack Campbell. Their need for help on defense is more immediate, but they need young guys in the system more than anything.
Hopefully it isn’t. If there was some circumstance that he was available, I think it’d be worth throwing prospects at him. Guy is 30, but, I don’t see his production falling below .75ish PPG any time soon.
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Did I look on great Orion sloping slowly to the West.
He won’t complain about a demotion. He won a Conn Smythe as a 2C, he was brought to DAL to be a 2C until he shamed Mike Ribeiro down the depth chart. He’ll come here, play “2C,” and go out and be one of the smartest players on the ice with ridiculous skill level. He and Semin would absolutely eat teams alive.
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Where’d you get 193? I think that number’s been around 180 the last few years, but I haven’t seen it for this season.
Otherwise, that looks about right.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
took it from here http://capgeek.com/FAQ.php
To understand how each team’s cap count is calculated, think of a bank account. For the 2009-10 season, teams got a “deposit” of about $294,300 each day which they can spend on player salaries [$56,800,000 salary cap upper limit / 193 days in the season]. The difference left over is “payroll room,” or the amount that has been “banked” for the future, if needed. “Payroll room” can never fall below zero, meaning teams can’t borrow from the future to pay for today. Everyone on a team’s roster counts toward the cap, including players on the:
Just realized that FAQ was for last season. According to THIS I should have used 186 days.
drops the total down about $650K to $17,298,000
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by Sombrero Guy on Nov 29, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Now that Boudreau has all but said 17 is playing against the Blues Wednesday night, what’s the prediction for timing of the fight with Janssen?
Back on July 28, Janssen tweeted:
Hey DJ, BTW… Wed, Dec 1 #Caps at #Blues….its ON!
I’m guessing around 5 minutes in.
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That’s why 5 minutes in seems about right, maybe a bit late.
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First shift, for sure. I’m going with 3 minutes 12 seconds in.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Who isn’t anxiously awaiting another pointless fight?
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by twistedlogic on Nov 29, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think the dumbest reason to dress King would be when you expect him to contribute with his gloves on. At least by dressing him you are going to get some entertainment value. And I’d like to see Jannsen get pummeled after the elbow he gave to Brads and subsequent beating of an outmatched Q Laing a few years back.
This will be a meaningless sideshow and I once again emplore them to let us know in advance when the bout will occur and let the fans vote for the winner. The loser gets an extra two minutes.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 29, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Only last year.
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holy crap what game was that. First image looks like Ovechkin let a big ass fart rip and everyone dropped to the ground
caps@blues jsut before the Olympic break last year. Ugly, ugly game.
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If King is dressing vs the Blues, who among our forwards sits to make room. I did not seen Boyd Gordon at Saturday’s practice nor at Sunday’s game. He was supposedly a “healthy” scratch but I am wondering about the “healthy” part.
Didn’t think he was a problem for the team.
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EDM journalist Jim Matheson throws out another NHL D-man as possible trade bait
Scouts have been following the Avs, who have too many defencemen. Kyle Cumiskey is likely trade bait because Kevin Shattenkirk has taken his spot on the back-end. Colorado could use a little more sandpaper up front.
Cumiskey’s Hockey Future page: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect/kyle_cumiskey
His career stats: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=73448
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Obviously I have no say in this, but I’d really prefer to get a more seasoned D-man. Doesn’t need to be Fedorov-esque but I’m not sure bringing in another under-25 D is the right move considering how young and green our blue line is.
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And in this hypothetical:
Colorado could use a little more sandpaper up front.
which Flash ain’t.
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Avs just lost Chris Stewart, their surprise scoring wing, for 4-6 weeks after he broke his hand in a fight this weekend.
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At this point I don’t really care about experience. If the guy is good and plays D reasonably better than Erskine, sign me up.
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Lots and lots wrong with this, starting with the fact that Cumiskey is on IR with a concussion.
Second, he’s a “pure” puck mover. I think he’d theoretically blossom under BB’s guidance, but he’d never get enough PP TOI behind Green and Carlson. Defensively, although he skates better than Erskine, he’s going to make a crapload of mistakes.
A trade that makes much more sense is Eric Fehr for Kyle Quincey.
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Brads has a shiner
Hadn’t noticed it before…
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Oooph.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 29, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
How is there no blood after that punch?
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, Brads didn’t let me down. Clearly I was paying very close attention to the game…
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
he looks like an old cigarette ad there...
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by ThePeerless on Nov 29, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Scoring Rates with Goalie Pulled
Per BtN, you give up about 14.6 GA/60 with your goalie pulled, and score at about 5.5 GF/60 with your goalie pulled.
Scoring rates in games that feature a pulled goalie are a combined3.05 total goals/60, so pulling the goalie definitely increases the scoring. Assuming that 3.05 goals/60 shakes out to an average 2-1 lead, the team with the lead finds it about 7 times easier to score into the EN than into the ’tended cage.
Just fyi.
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That’s really interesting. I’d LOVE to get how he came up with those stats (i.e. the data he used)
So without a goalie pulled, you score 3.05 goals per game (if a game was 60 minutes long).
Facing an EN you score 14.6 goals per game if you faced an EN the entire game.
So my estimate of 3.4x was close. SO technically facing an EN have a 4,79 times more likely chance to score a goal than without. So easy or not? I guess it’s just how you define easy
That’s really interesting. I’d LOVE to get how he came up with those stats (i.e. the data he used)
I’d guess he has all the NHL game play by plays + shifts + faceoffs saved on his computer. You just look at when one team has six guys on the ice late in a game to get the time, see if there’s a goal or not.
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’m actually a little confused with the math. If he’s saying “the opposing team is almost 10 times as likely to put the game away with an empty-net goal, but again, a loss is a loss whether it’s by one goal or two.”
If you score 14.6 goals per game with an EN and 3.05 a game without that’s a rate increase of 4.79. So technically aren’t you just 4.79 times more likely to score that nail in the coffin goal?
I wonder why we haven’t got the usual Monday Capitals Ups and Downs list. Or is it taking its Thanksgiving break? Or is it coming Tuesday? Or so we need a volunteer to write it?
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 29, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Thanks. I don’t know how I missed when reading the clips article originally.
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Crosby slew foot?
Agree…disagree
And…to boot (no pun intended…ok maybe)…..Callahan gets the PIM! Really?!
Definitely a slewfoot based on the video I saw. I find it a tad ironic that Dubinsky is complaining about another player being dirty, though.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 29, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
In his defense, Avery also tried to slewfoot Crosby in this game but got thrown down for his efforts. While technically it is a slewfoot, much like the one Ovie took so much slack for it seems a case of the stronger guy still being off balance and his foot coming forward naturally to try to gain balance back.
Dubinsky being one to complain about it is pretty funny.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 29, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting to see how the Crosby slew foot was reported on via various media outlets tonight:
Versus: Cutaway showing the incident while going to commercial with Jonesy saying “a bit of a slew foot” but no mention of refs not calling it AND actually calling Callahan for interference.
NHL on the Fly: No mention. AND had the audacity to show a clip at end of game with Avery and Crosby going at it with the sound clip of the PITT announcers saying “…Avery trying to slew foot Crosby.” I call BS on that…BIG TIME.
NHL.com: No mention in highlights or text.
Ok…not to sound like the homer that I am…come on…if Ovi did this (which he has and been penalized and crucified for it) it makes world news but Crosby…barely a mention. Am I off base guys in my contempt?
Avery did try to get Crosby in the 3rd, he basically got thrown down for his efforts and a mysterious penalty on Sid was given. Maybe tit for tat from the refs there.
I agree Ovie would probably get vilified far more if it was him in this case.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Update: 11:00 edition of NHL on the fly did indeed tackle this topic. Kudos to Mike Johnson for calling Crosby out saying he got away with one or two…
NHL Live pretty fair. Even Clement says he should have been penalized, although he doesn’t consider it a slew foot by the rule. Says they should have offset. This after all the Crosby/Penguin love.
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