Rink Roundtable: At the Quarter Mark
Rarely has there been a season heaped with higher expectations for the Washington Capitals than the one that kicked off a little over a month ago. So with a quarter of the 2010-11 campaign in the books, how have they lived up to those expectations so far? We take a look at the season to this point, and how the team - and the individual players - have performed.
Question 1: As usual, analysts were saying goaltending was a "weakness" coming into the season. Have the goalies, all three that have dressed for the Caps, lived up to your expectations, exceeded them or fallen short?
David M. Getz: I've been a little bit pleasantly surprised with Braden Holtby because, even though his ascent has been impressive, I didn't think he'd quite be able to hold his own in the NHL just yet. I still don't think he's quite there, but I do think he's pretty close. Naturally, I've been a bit disappointed - though not necessarily surprised - at the fact Semyon Varlamov's struggled with injuries.
Michal Neuvirth's been a lot better than I could have hoped for. His numbers aren't phenomenal, but his numbers also don't tell the whole the story. He has regularly single-handedly kept the Capitals in games, and even helped them steal a few. Don't get me wrong, I certainly felt he was talented coming to to the season, but to be that good, that often, while his teammates struggled? That's something I didn't expect.
Stephen Pepper: I agree on Neuvy's ability to keep the team in games at times this season where they might not have deserved to stay in them. What's most impressive to me is that he's been so consistent amidst an overwhelming #1 NHL goalie workload.
I have to say that I predicted well before the season began that Neuvirth would get the majority of starts for the Caps in 2010-11, on account of Varlamov's health and Neuvirth's demonstrated ability to play efficiently and confidently for a championship team, both in the regular and post-season. I didn't think that Varly would make it through the season without at least a few extended groin-related setbacks. And on that front, it's no wonder that Neuvy has a multi-year contract and Varly does not.
Becca H: I don't think any of us was particularly surprised that Varlamov's tendency to get injured popped up again this year – what surprised me most about that was how soon it happened. And it's frustrating, because in his (admittedly limited) appearances for the Caps, both in preseason and the regular season, he looked pretty good.
Beyond that, though, Neuvirth has - overall - been as good as expected, if not better. Which is good, because while Holtby's fast start initially led me to believe that the goaltending situation was well in hand his recent struggles have shown him to still be very much an AHL goaltender. Not unexpected, but troubling if he's backing up Neuvirth on a regular basis. Get well soon, Varly.
J.P.: Obviously Neuvirth had an unreal October (probably literally), Holtby's had his moments (both good and bad), and Varly's been hurt. But one thing that I think has become pretty clear is that, for the most part, these goalies are only going to be as good as the defense in front of them. That's not to say that there won't be games they steal (Neuvy did it several times during that first month) and games they let in more than they probably should.
But if this defense (and that includes the forwards - we're talking team D here) can't focus and keep shot totals and scoring chances down, it's probably not going to matter who's in goal or how well he's playing. The entire team needs to buy in here.
Question 2: Of the two deficiencies in the lineup, lack of a designated 2C and lack of defensive depth, which has been the bigger concern so far? Which will be the bigger issue down the road if not addressed?
JP: Jeez... gun to my head, I'd probably say second-line center. Don't get me wrong, seeing Tyler Sloan get a sweater every night doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies (to say nothing of those Brian Fahey games). But here are some forwards and their goal totals through 22 games: Brooks Laich (5), Eric Fehr (4), Mike Knuble (3), Tomas Fleischmann (4) - all 20-plus-goal guys last year, none on pace for that this year. Part of the reason is the team's inability to find consistent offensive production at second-line center, and the result has been near-constant line-juggling, even above and beyond Bruce Boudreau's normal shake-ups.
Moreover, it's the harder of the two problems to address. While neither the defensive depth the team needs nor the viable 2C option are currently in the organization (sorry, Mathieu Perreault fans), it's much easier and cheaper to find serviceable NHL blueliners than Cup-contender-worthy second-line pivots.
DMG: I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one, J.P.. Second line center is a major issue right now, but I think it's still possible the team could work out a solution in the postseason, be it Marcus Johansson, Brooks Laich, Mathieu Perreault, or someone else. Unlikely, but possible. A deep playoff run with John Erskine and Sloan as the team's sixth and seventh defensemen? That I don't think is possible.
JP: Well, last year's Blackhawks used seven defensemen in the playoffs, and one of their top-six spots was roughly eight minutes per night. The Flyers also used seven, with a top six spot getting less than seven minutes per night and another at ten minutes. In other words, those teams leaned heavily on their top four or five blueliners, and I think that in Mike Green, Poti, Carlson, Schultz and Alzner, the Caps have five they can lean on. Add another top-four guy and they're in great shape, but they can easily find a Nick Boynton or Lukas Krajicek or whatever to fill out the depth - those guys aren't likely to make or break your season.
On the other hand, you look at the centers those teams (and other recent and current contenders like Pittsburgh, Detroit and others) have played and not a single one of them had a second-line center that wasn't as good as Johansson or Laich or Perreault. That second-line center is going to get big minutes and is going to have to produce to take pressure off the top line, and we all saw what happened when that didn't happen last spring.
BH: I’m actually going with DMG on this one. I think both need to be addressed further down the line, and I think both will. For now, however, the lack of defensive depth is taking its toll on the team in general and the defensemen we have specifically. When one of them gets injured, the burden on the others to play more minutes or fill roles that are out of their capabilities can cause them to not perform as well – obviously injuries happen and when they do, someone always has to step up, but it shouldn’t have to have this much of an impact this early.
Look at what happens when, for example, Carlson is asked to fill in for Green, or when multiple guys are injured (as they could be right now). We don’t need them to play their best right now – guys like Laich, Knuble, Fehr, etc. will play better when/if they’re given a legit 2C to play with, but that can happen closer to the deadline when playing your best hockey is more important. The concern right now is that overusing guys, forcing them into minutes beyond their abilities, forcing Green to skate 30+ minutes a game, could lead to them wearing out well before the playoffs.
Pepper: Count me in the 2C question mark is worse camp. But not by much. The lack of defensive depth is equally disastrous in the post-season. As much as we've bemoaned Varlamov's health concerns in goal, Tom Poti's reliability is far from certain in that same regard. Leaving the team with Jeff Schultz and Mike Green, the latter's playoff performances being, for injury reasons or otherwise, mediocre to put it charitably, and behind them, a very young tandem with no playoff experience beyond an adrenaline-fueled first round last spring.
But for the reasons J.P. mentioned - the necessary line-juggling chaos at the top two trios and consequential inability of the secondary scorers on this team to get on a roll (or vice versa) - the lack of a solid second pivot is starting to instill some nasty habits that will no doubt cripple the team's hopes of a deep playoff run. If someone doesn't emerge. I shudder to think about how crucial MJ90's development is to a successful second season.
Question 3: Which has been more surprising, Alexander Semin's stellar performance so far or Alex Ovechkin's not-so-stellar performance?
Pepper: Ovechkin's struggles have been shocking, and demoralizing to watch. The Captain's leadership both on and off the ice has turned what was an important "certainty" for this team into a dark cloud of doubt.
I'm not at all surprised about Semin's play to this point. But I am surprised that Sasha has stayed healthy, since he's missed at least seven games during the months of October and November in each of the last three seasons.
JP: For me, it's Ovechkin's failure to get on track. We've seen Alex Semin have hot streaks before and I'm not convinced that this one is significantly different than any of those (and don't look now, but he's minus-4 with one assist and four minor penalties in his last three games, so he'll need to nip this little downturn in the bud and fast).
But to see Ovechkin struggle has been more over the past few years. Is it a motivational issue? Health? Who knows. And if coasting through the fall gives him a little more left in the tank come springtime, that's great. But selfishly, I want to see the best player in the world be the best player in the world every time he steps on the ice, and he hasn't been so far. And that's surprising.
BH: I'm going the wishy-washy route and saying…both. Probably slightly more surprising to see Ovechkin stumble so hard out of the gate (and yet still put up points, which is just a testament to how good he is even when he's bad), and I'd agree that selfishly I want to see the best player be the best player – especially considering the performance of other stars to this point like Stamkos and Crosby.
But I think Semin's all-around play has been much improved and I actually do see a difference between this "hot streak" and previous ones – the little things like the back-checking, the smarter plays, more physicality, etc. are setting it apart for me. Even his recent stretch of "bad" games haven’t seemed as bad as they do on paper. And I know how much some people love this argument: he still looks good to me even if the stats don't always reflect it. Two not-so-great games before, but he had five shots on goal against New Jersey, and he was one of the few guys who was still moving his legs in a losing contest.
DMG: I'm going to go with Ovechkin's start. Nothing Semin does surprises me at this point.
Question 4: In your opinion, how has the rookie tandem of John Carlson and Karl Alzner performed to this point?
BH: I've been really impressed by Carlson and Alzner so far. They're not a top D pair yet but I certainly didn't expect them to be, and considering the situations they've been thrown into - Carlson having to step in for Green and Poti, Alzner being saddled with whatever defensive partner is left over when things get shuffled around, etc. - they've exceeded my expectations. And the best part is that, as one would hope but as is never a guarantee, they've gotten better each game. Even with the occasional step back they seem to be learning at exactly the right pace.
Pepper: Carlson and Alzner are emerging into, if not a solid "shutdown" pair, a good plan B. It's essential to have stability in two pairs, and 52-55 was the only regular pair towards the end of last season. Stepping aside the issue of whether a playoff shutdown tandem should be comprised of a 20- and a 22-year-old, respectively, with 72 regular season and 8 playoff NHL games collectively behind them coming into this campaign, they've shown marked improvement through the first 20, which is all we can ask for.
JP: If I was grading them, I'd give them a solid B. Thirty-three percent of Alzner's minus games have come in the last two, and Carlson is plus-9 while shouldering a heavy workload (especially when Green was out and as Poti continues to be out). I probably expected slightly more offense from them, but that will come. They're by no means out of place taking regular shifts in the NHL.
Question 5: What has been the most pleasant surprise of the season? The biggest disappointment?
JP: Pleasant? Neuvirth's October. Not only because it helped the team enormously, but given the route he has taken to get to the NHL (contra Varly's path), it's nice to see him prove that he can handle what's thrown at him - and a lot has been.
As for disappointments, Ovechkin is the easy answer, but I'll go with Varlamov's health. Kid needs to get - and stay - healthy, both to help the team (and reduce Neuvy's workload) and to get his career back on the impressive trajectory it was on prior to injuries hitting hard last December.
BH: The most pleasant surprise for me has been the performance of Matt Hendricks. His invitation to camp was unexpected, but the way he performed in training camp and the way he seemed to fit so seamlessly into the lineup made his signing anything but unexpected. He's added a welcome level of grit to the lineup, adds another dimension to the third and fourth lines and seems to be very well liked by his teammates. Plus I just like watching him run up and down the bench whenever someone on the ice scores.
As for the biggest disappointment, I won't shy away from the easy answer like J.P. - it's absolutely Alex Ovechkin. We've seen flashes of what he can be, but one of the great joys of being a Caps fan is watching him every night and we've been deprived of that so far this year. The explosiveness isn't there, the physical side of his game is more subdued and he's shied away from his usual goal-scoring instincts. It's frustrating because we have no idea what the issue is, whether it's a mental issue or an injury or what, so it's hard to really judge what the solution is. Obviously he's an immense talent and it's not really a question of if but when he'll break out...just waiting for it to happen.
DMG: For me, that most pleasant surprise have been Neuvirth. I won't rehash how good I think he's been, but he's the one guy who's gone beyond not only what I expected, but what I thought was reasonable to expect.
Pepper: Most pleasant surprise? I'm with Becca: Matt Hendricks. Exactly the type of player that the team has lacked over the last few seasons. The Caps haven't scored enough ugly goals since Chris Clark was dealt, and Hendricks has the ability to chip 'em in.
Biggest disappointment? Poti's continued injury concerns, especially after the multi-year contract he just signed. The team desperately needs the elder statesman on defense in the regular lineup.
Question 6: Using the metric of your choice, grade the team's performance overall.
BH: I'd give the team a solid B to this point. There are areas that need improvement and holes that need to be filled, there needs to be greater focus and a higher compete level all the way through a game, but there does seem to be some growth over last year. The last few games aside there's more of a dedication to the little things, Semin's playing well in Ovechkin's "absence", the young defensemen are playing as well as could be expected, the goaltending has been (mostly) good and at times stellar, and the team is right where they need to be standings-wise - which puts them in a great position while they tweak and adjust the rest.
Pepper: If we're talking about the regular season as a preparation for the playoffs -- a lengthy trial run of getting the team's game together and getting everyone to "buy in" prior to the start of the second season -- I'd give the team a C. The improvement and effort required to do what we all hope the team is capable of doing in June is just not there to this point. The first game against the Flyers, the game @ NYR, and the second versus Buffalo stand out as gutsy, playoff-caliber performances. But the team follows up strong defensive performances, and three forward lines getting consistent offensive opportunities, with a game like, well, any one of the last three. So far, I don't see a lot there to convince me that the team won't again suffer another upset come playoff time.
DMG: In absolute terms, I'd give them a 'B+'. They haven't been as good as their record suggests, but all things considered they've been very good.
Relative to expectations, or their potential, though? A 'C'. There's been as much good as bad and, like Pepper, I don't have a ton of faith that the issues that hurt the team last postseason won't re-emerge.
JP: I think it's hard to give them anything other than an incomplete. How much do a couple of stinkers in November with your third-string goalie in net matter to a team that's once again poised to run away with their Division? How much do wins in which they let teams come back from multi-goal third-period deficits matter? Or games won purely on skill and not so much on effort? I don't know. And we probably won't know for some time yet.
This past trio of games notwithstanding, they've been racking up points in the standings, doing what they have to do... for now. And they've shown glimpses of how good they can be. So since my "incomplete" won't sit well with you guys, I'll give them a B/B- as a team, a grade that considers both effort and results, recognizing full well that if the former doesn't improve, the latter won't be what we all want come April and beyond.
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Question: Was there an open lunchbox and/or hamburger displayed in the background as this roundatable was going on?
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by Rather Bengt on Nov 24, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
How much did Becca get paid to be the one to take notes and type this up? Low person on the totem pole?
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by J.P. on Nov 24, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just saying
but if this team is tied for the top of a competitive league right now with Ovie playing disappointingly, I’m very optimistic for when he gets back into it (if he does, that is),
I really hope he puts everything on the ice for the WC. I know that game must mean so much to him.
Regarding 2C vs D:
I just think you can’t make the argument about injury to a top guy on D and not consider the same problem occurring on O. How important will a 2C be if Backstrom gets injured tomorrow, and what kind of deal could they expect to get at that point?
(As mentioned in the RT) otherwise – without injury – we’re looking for more depth at D whereas with O we’re hoping the Caps have what they need when they need it.
Funny thing is, I’d get a depth D before a 2C based solely on current factors, but I think the team needs 2C play more importantly over the long term.
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by Icebat on Nov 24, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We’re done if Backstrom gets hurt regardless of who is behind him on the depth chart.
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Agreed. Losing the 1C would be a disaster.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Nov 24, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I just think you can’t make the argument about injury to a top guy on D and not consider the same problem occurring on O.
It’s a legit fear, but that’s always the case with any position. Guys have different roles, usually your best players are in the lineup and any replacement is generally a downgrade. The fact is, however, that the Caps have much less of a drop-off in talent among the forwards then they do among defensemen.
Anyone who replaces Backstrom in the event of an injury would obviously be less talented but capable of playing on that line, or if another forward goes down we know we have guys in Hershey who are almost as good (if only on a temporary basis). But if Green and Poti are both out and our next best option is Fahey? That’s a huge drop-off and it puts more pressure on guys like Carlson, like Erskine to play well beyond their ability.
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I’m going to disagree completely. Nobody in the system can replace Backstrom. We have nobody better than a 3C behind him.
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I don’t think anyone can replace Backstrom. I never said anyone could. I’m saying guys can fill in on that line and the team overall won’t suffer as much as replacing someone like Mike Green with Brian Fahey. Do we need to remind everyone that while Backstrom is amazing and one of the best players in the NHL, and while he does make Ovi better, #8 has scored 50 goals alongside a fake center and a 4th liner before?
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…right, but he hasn’t exactly done that WITH Backstrom, either, so….
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More to my point, the drop off from Backstrom to Perreault may not look as bad on paper as Green to Fahey, but you’re still going NHLer to AHLer, and the defensive corps might be able to hide the minutes of whoever is called up to replace Green.
Whoever takes Greens spot (likely Carlson) makes our situation not as drastic, provided Bruce controls minutes of the new struggler.
No matter who is put in on the first line, it’s a massive drop, and they’re going to face top defensive foes.
The team could handle losing Green for a month. I don’t think the team can handle losing Backstrom for a month.
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I think eventually that’ll be the case, when Carlson/Alzner are more capable of picking up the slack – right now, however, I’m not sure I’d agree.
We’ve seen how much better the team generally is with 52 in the lineup, how much more mobile the PP is, things like that; we also saw how much trouble 74-27 had in his absence. Meanwhile the team’s played some fairly good games when Nick’s been invisible, which he like Ovi has been more often than not this season.
The fact is they’re both elite players and losing either one for a month would be a severe loss to the team. My point is that right now we have more talented guys on forward – regardless of whether they’re as talented as 19, which they obviously aren’t – to pick up the slack as opposed to on D. The first guys up from Hershey on forward are way more capable in an NHL game than someone like Brian Fahey or Sean Collins.
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I don’t think the team can handle losing Backstrom for a month.
I think you’re underestimating just how good Alex Ovechkin can be. The way he’s playing right now, no, but the way he played the three seasons before that, yes, they can handle it.
by red army line on Nov 24, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Bax’s numbers are a bit low for what we expect from him – tho not uncharacteristic for his usual slow starts. But if you look at the other top two teams in our conference, there is little difference in the goal scoring between the top 2 centers. With Phoenix at the top of the other conference the 2nd center has more goals. The only exception is Detroit
The Caps style of play makes a solid 2C much more important than a depth D. It would be a major blow, but he team wouldn’t just lay down if they lost Backstrom. We don’t have anyone close to a solid 2C calibur skating at this time.
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My thinking is without Backstrom in the lineup, the Caps would have to lean more heavily on the D. Can they? I think so. Looks to me like there are 5 top-4 caliber D there right now. Without Green, the Caps would have to lean more heavily up front and cross their fingers the forwards control the puck better. Depends on how the Caps adjust, really. The 07-09 squads could definitely keep on winning without Green, and the ’10 team with the shooting and saving luck, but this team? Not so sure.
by red army line on Nov 24, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, the guy filling in for Green isn’t Fahey, it’s Carlson/Poti, and it just gets Sloan into the lineup (at 100% health). Using Fahey here assumes Poti’s out (fair assumption, perhaps, but to keep it apples-to-apples, you’d have to also assume that the team’s second-best C option is unavailable should Backstrom go down).
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We don’t even know who the team’s second-best C option is.
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Well, that’s why I didn’t name anyone – it’s bound to be someone different for each person. I was just trying to keep the comparisons reasonably parallel. Given all that Nick does, I’d think Laich or Flash is the best guy to use in the example.
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And neither of those guys is a C. Becca is right that we have depth on O, but she ignores that our huge problem now is that we are forcing wings to play center and a Baxter injury compounds that.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 24, 2010 3:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re talking about no Green and no Poti? I’ll just remember that you don’t consider Erskine a legit NHL D next time you toot his horn.
I think having zero legit NHL scoring line Cs, which is what we have without Nick, is a fatal flaw(especially with AO playing as he is). You can force feed Schultz and Carlznerson ice time and keep your head above water better than you can without Nick and whoever your second favorite C is.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 24, 2010 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
100% agree. The biggest problem with the Caps is that, even with everyone in the organization healthy, they still don’t have a 2C. MJ90 could be that guy one day, and I don’t have a problem putting him in there right now, but I cringe at the thought of him being the guy come April. I know he’s missed time with injury, but right now the team’s best hope at filling 2C still hasn’t registered an assist this season? Yikes!
F&B’s argument is why I agree with JP. 2C is more important issue, if only barely. If Baks goes down things could get really ugly.
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Right, which is a fair point, but (as we’ve seen) Carlson isn’t ready to take on that burden. It puts him into a role he’s not ready for, which puts Erskine and Sloan into roles they’re not fit for, and if Poti is out as he has been it means Brian Fahey gets put into a role he’s not fit for (i.e. an NHL d-man).
Basically it wreaks more havoc on the D as a whole to have Green out than it would on the forwards if they lost Backstrom for any length of time.
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I’m not so sure about that. Is 3/55, 74/27, 4/89 really that much more of a drop-off from what they’re rolling today than 85-14-90-39 down the middle would be?
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Yes – because the wingers can, for a few games at least, carry that much more easily than those D. It gets worse if Poti is out, whereas if say Flash goes out we’re still moderately okay. Then you go with 85-21-90-39 (or 15), which is still not bad.
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Well yeah, if the question is “Are the Caps better off without their top two centers or top two D?” I think it’s a relatively easy answer. But that wasn’t the question.
And those four centers you list with 19 and 14 out are awful to the point that it would be one of the weakest foursomes in the League. It would also be one of the weakest foursomes in the League if 14 were there. Hence…
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Ack
I was just typing something similar.
Barring injuries – current or perceived – which do you thing is more important for icing the best Caps team, a 2C or a depth or even top 4D?
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Jeez… gun to my head, I’d probably say second-line center. Don’t get me wrong, seeing Tyler Sloan get a sweater every night doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies (to say nothing of those Brian Fahey games). But here are some forwards and their goal totals through 22 games: Brooks Laich (5), Eric Fehr (4), Mike Knuble (3), Tomas Fleischmann (4) – all 20-plus-goal guys last year, none on pace for that this year. Part of the reason is the team’s inability to find consistent offensive production at second-line center, and the result has been near-constant line-juggling, even above and beyond Bruce Boudreau’s normal shake-ups.
Moreover, it’s the harder of the two problems to address. While neither the defensive depth the team needs nor the viable 2C option are currently in the organization (sorry, Mathieu Perreault fans), it’s much easier and cheaper to find serviceable NHL blueliners than Cup-contender-worthy second-line pivots.
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by J.P. on Nov 24, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I dunno. If they replaced Tyler Sloan with a guy who could play NHL-average hockey (0 Corsi in a context neutral environment, neutral ability to influence shooting percentage), they’d likely be adding at least an extra couple of shots per game, as well as pushing Erskine down a slot in the lineup and adding some expected SV%. I wouldn’t discount how horrendously bad Tyler Sloan actually is, versus the forwards playing the top-6, especially if Laich sticks at C.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 24, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m hearing that, if forced to respond, considers 2C to be the most important roster deficiency for the Capitals.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 24, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Count me in the 2C question mark is worse camp. But not by much. The lack of defensive depth is equally disastrous in the post-season. As much as we’ve bemoaned Varlamov’s health concerns in goal, Tom Poti’s reliability is far from certain in that same regard. Leaving the team with Jeff Schultz and Mike Green, the latter’s playoff performances being, for injury reasons or otherwise, mediocre to put it charitably, and behind them, a very young tandem with no playoff experience beyond an adrenaline-fueled first round last spring.
But for the reasons J.P. mentioned – the necessary line-juggling chaos at the top two trios and consequential inability of the secondary scorers on this team to get on a roll (or vice versa) – the lack of a solid second pivot is starting to instill some nasty habits that will no doubt cripple the team’s hopes of a deep playoff run. If someone doesn’t emerge. I shudder to think about how crucial MJ90’s development is to a successful second season.
by Stephen Pepper on Nov 24, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks
I was just clarifying restatement for the knitters (thread) of the original question after all the talk of “what if this or that injury occurred” as the discussion progressed.
I think F&B’s statements in general cover my own perspective.
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What’s the relatively easy answer?
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by Rob Parker on Nov 24, 2010 4:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, it’s not bad. It’s terrible. 85-21-90-39 (or 15 if healthy) is a C corps of a rebuilding franchise, not a team with Cup aspirations. I’d take the NYI C corps over that line up. I’m not sure there is any team in the league icing a worse C corps than that, and it’s not all that much better even with a healthy Flash.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 24, 2010 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the wingers could carry it at all why are their numbers so bad? And that’s without anyone having to fill a hole left by Nick.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 24, 2010 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Regarding Neuvy, I think we can say that he he can’t hold up under a super-heavy workload. That’s OK, not many goalies can start, say, 20 games in a row without some diminution in their play.
It is at the least new and sort of un-positive info. Sorta.
On the other questions, I will go with:
2. Center depth is the biggest problem.
3. AO’s performance is more surprising.
4. JC and KA have performed in the upper quartile of my expectations. Not making a run at a Langway/Lidstrom pairing, but playing like legit NHL D at a very young age and fewer horrible errors than I thought might occur.
5. Pleasant surprise: Green’s chippiness. Disappointment: Knuble.
6. Grade: C+. PK at ~85%, but falling fast. PP looking good, but not enough opportunities. Shots against are pretty good. Consistent, professional effort has been conspicuously lacking. However, they’ve overcome some injury trouble and played a few good games in there.
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I found myself agreeing with J.P. on literally every post, especially on the final. I know there’s a good deal of concern for the team since November started, but the reality is the team is playing without a legit 2C, without Varly, without Poti, with Sloan, Fahey, and Erskine getting more minutes than they should. And perhaps most of all, with a Captain and superstar player who has played, at best, monstrously inconsistently.
Yet they’re still tied for first in the conference. And I don’t think that’s just because the team is highly talented. We’ve seen important contributions from the bottom 6, an improved effort on the PK, a more consistent (but still a huge work in progress) focus on backchecking. Aspects like that are important, and I for one am happy to see them.
The grade is still incomplete for me.
by Charlie Foxtrot on Nov 24, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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My biggest concern at the quarter pole is a nagging feeling that Boudreau may have lost this team. I am very surprised that I’m thinking this, as I’m a big Boudreau fan.
Why am I thinking this?
He seems a bit lost with his line juggling.
The team’s lack of 1st period motiviation could be pinned on the coach.
There appears to be little discipline or urgency overall.
I have no recommendations on who might replace him or even if there is someone. It’s just a nagging feeling.
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Scott Cullen of tsa.cn on Ovie's slump
“Something is not right with Ovie”http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=342679
I think Ovie's got something up his sleeve
i think there’s a reasonable chance that after his huge disappointments the past few years he took a big-picture approach to this season and is trying to change his game for the better, for winning the big one.
Not sure how. Not sure what the result will be. But it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s trying to learn how to be more of a facilitator, or to make the whole team even better through the attention he’s able to draw. Or trying to learn new moves and strategies besides the ones that get him 50 goals a season, easily.
Either way, WHEN he breaks out of this funk, he’s going to go on a ridiculous tear.
I’m ALMOST happily anxious to see him struggle, knowing that the league is in trouble when he gets back on track.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I’ll believe he’s taking the big picture approach and doing anything he can to win games when I see him cycle the puck.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 24, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
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Btw, FYI, here’s the year-to-date goals for and goals against on per game bases:

A couple of notes:
- Over the first 11 games of the season, the Caps gave up more than 3 goals twice. Over the last 11, they’ve given up fewer than 3 twice.
- Flipside of that coin – over the first 11, they scored more than 3 three times. Over the last 11, they’ve scored fewer than 3 three times.
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by J.P. on Nov 24, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
2C >>> 6D
Biggest issue to me is 2C by a mile. We have 5 defensemen capable of eating top 4 minutes (when healthy) with John Erskine as the 6D. The defense is by no means great or gritty, but they’re more than adequate. OTOH, we only have one legit scoring center on the team. It’s easier to hide John Erskine at 10 minutes/game than it is to hide an underperforming 2C (Flash, MP85, MJ90) for 17 minutes/game, especially against teams that are stacked down the middle.
Ideally, I’d want both issues addressed, but if I had to choose one, it’s 2C and it’s not even close. Not every Stanley Cup winner could claim a defensive corps 6-deep. But just about every Stanley Cup winner in the past 15 years has had a very good 2C, capable of playing 1C on other teams. The Caps don’t come close. Failing to address the 2C = no Stanley Cup this year.
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This is where I come out, and I can’t understand why it’s even a question. Based on how they’ve played this year and last, Green-Schultz-Poti-Carlson-Alzner-Erskine is a solid defensive corps, when healthy. The problem there is depth, and it’s being exposed now due to injuries, but if everyone was healthy that’d be a good squad.
Backstrom – ?? – ?? – Steckel/Gordon just isn’t. Johansson is far, far more green a rookie than either Carlson or Alzner. Perreault can’t stay in the NHL. Fleischmann, Laich, and Hendricks have proven why they’re more naturally played at wing than center. Steckel can’t play on any line above the fourth, and Gordon can, but he’s better on the fourth. AND THAT’S WHEN THEY’RE HEALTHY!!!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 24, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well gang, it seems like we haven’t been the “same” in center since Brendan Morrison tailed off. Still, it seems that our main secondary scorers (Knuble, Laich, Fehr, and Flash) have all struggled this year. And they were still scoring last year after Morrison slipped. I’ll admit we need a second center badly. (Unfortunately, cloning Nick Backstrom isn’t an option but is that the reason we’ve tended to choose Swedish centers with our first pick.)
Our defense is certainly shaky after the first 4or 5. Glad the kids (Alzner and Carlson) are working out but at least they had gotten NHL experience last year. Poti’s been out so much, I almost feel like we have only 4 good defensemen.
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