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Recap: Flyers 5, Caps 4 (SO)

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Tonight's game was about as much as you could hope for out of the East's top two teams, not just because the two played an evenly matched, back-and-forth game, but because the teams brought such different styles of play and worked to enforce their chosen style on the game.  In the first, it was the Caps who succeeded, playing smart and controlling the tempo of the game; in the second, the Flyers had the advantage as the physical play ramped up, and with the third being back-and-forth, it's appropriate the hockey game portion of the match ended in a tie.  

There might not be any big conclusions to draw from this one, but that January 18th matchup is already one to look forward to.

Ten more notes on the game:

  • Remember all those times we watched Eric Fehr take long shots and wondered why?  Well, now we know.
  • Most of the glory is going to go to the goal scorer most of the time, especially when they notch one with a flashy wrist shot like Marcus Johansson did in the first period, but a lot of credit for that goal has to go to Jason Chimera.  It's not easy to hang in there and make that pass with Chris Pronger bearing down on you from behind, and the willingness to do so is a large part of what makes Chimera as effective as he is, especially against opponents like the Flyers.
  • So, even with Philadelphia in town, the Flyers coming off a tough loss, Mike Knuble out injured, and the Capitals looking like they could use some extra energy, D.J. King spends the night in the press box?  This couldn't have been what George McPhee envisioned when he picked up King from this Blues this offseason.  And it can't be the best way to spend $625,000 in cap space.
  • John Carlson's offensive hockey sense is excellent, particularly for his age and position.  Every game it seems like he's getting multiple chances in the offensive zone, yet he rarely seems to be forcing the play or taking himself out a position.
  • Not as impressive?  Carlson getting beat by Nikolay Zherdev late in the first.  If that's just about any other defenseman on that Caps roster, a fairly large contingent of Washington fans would still be grumbling about it.
  • While the Caps as a whole looked a lot better than they did on Friday, Alexander Semin had another subpar game, and how he plays over the next couple weeks is going to be something to watch.  Will he bounce back strong, having genuinely turned a corner, and continuing producing like he has thus far?  Or is this the beginning of a slump?
  • I was pretty happy to see Scott Hartnell get sent to the box for his late whack at Michal Neuvirth, because that's the type of play hockey's better off without.  Which is something I would feel less conflicted about saying if I didn't find myself wondering "Why can't the Caps have a little more of that in them?" every time I watch Hartnell play.
  • Tonight may have been the best game of Marcus Johansson's fledgling NHL career.  He had the confidence and slickness of the first few games of the season with a better understanding of what he can and can't do at the NHL level, and looked very solid in his 4:20 of shorthanded ice time.
  • Rough night for the Mike Green-Jeff Schultz defense pairing with each guy losing a Flyer on the Andreas Nodl goal, Green giving Jeff Carter way too much space on his third period marker, and having trouble getting the puck out of the zone more than once.
  • John Erskine and Tyler Sloan skated fewer than twenty combined even strength minutes.  Say what you want about their respective abilities to contribute on occasion, but, for tonight at least, it looked like the Caps' coaching staff wasn't comfortable having them on the ice against a team as good as Philadelphia.

Bigger picture, it's going to be interesting to see what happens Monday against a...struggling...New Jersey team; whether the Caps respond to the challenge of the Devils the way they did the Flyers - or the way they did the Thrashers.

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Green and Shultz had some bad moments, but both of them were incredible during that final 4 on 3 in OT.

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by Doncosmic on Nov 20, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

Green had a couple of bolt-action checks and coverages, especially in the 3 and OT. Surprised BB doesn’t try him out on D.
Johansen has a Houdini thing where he gets brushed off the puck… and then leaves with it. I like this kid very much.
I know a DMG recap is the wrongest place to bother saying it, but Mickey Mouse refs are Mickey Mouse.

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by redlineblue on Nov 20, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think both teams have some legit complaints with the refs tonight. A lot of stuff called you never see called.

And another unspectacular effort from Ovechkin. Would be great to see him get going.

by Stormblue on Nov 20, 2010 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Along with several of the penalties for both teams, 2 of them on Semin were pretty Mickey Mouse; Pronger? Let’s be sure to shout from the highest mountaintop that the king is dead. Remember, he’s still tied for second in the NHL in goals and 3rd in points. He’s also first in takeaways. So a terrible performance by the whole team followed by not one of his best games is cause for ginning up the slumping comments? Your glee is showing.

by Seminrocks on Nov 20, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

So far, no one here tonight has said “trade him”. But I recall an awful lot of times last year that whenever Semin had a bad game, the clarion calls to “trade him” or “let him walk and take the draft picks” got really loud.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 20, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. This isn’t “OMG Semin sucks! lulz!”, it’s “Semin’s going to be a guy to watch this week because it’s going to see how he responds to having a couple of bad games given his history.”

by David Getz on Nov 20, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, Becca, I appreciate your reasoned and moderate responses. I’m also glad you don’t use blocked quotes because they are totally obnoxious.

I am sick and tired though of “martyrdom” used around here for any comment supportive of a player or questioning someone’s criticism. I daresay that if another player without the contributions of Sasha had a not-so-good game following a game where the whole team stunk, he would not be questioned for the beginning of a slump. Semin may have had 3 penalties, but he also was taking shots and had 2 takeaways in addition to his assist on Fehr’s goal (it was his work getting the puck out of the defensive zone and all the way down which started that play). He was engaged. No, it was not his best game so far, but most have been pretty terrific and he’s bound to have some let downs. I just think he should be allowed that before people start yelling “slump!”

I find it interesting that Ovi does not even get a bullet point in this. We are 20 games in and he’s practically invisible every game, despite the points he has. That is all he has done and it’s not nearly enough given his talent and the money he is paid. He’s like a hit and run artist these days. It concerns me.

by Seminrocks on Nov 21, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ovie still didn’t look like Ovie…again, although he wasn’t invisible tonight. Little snakebit himself it feels like although him looking more like himself sure would help.

Fact is on a night when the number of penalties we took was a huge reason why we didn’t end up with 2 points in the standings, the guy who took the most is going to get called out on it. The other people responsible for the loss got theirs as well (Schultz/Green pairing).

If everything was working right we wouldn’t have stuff to improve on.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 21, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Martydom aside, you did overreact to DMG’s bullet point. He asked some excellent questions based on patterns seen in Sasha’s play during past seasons. None of what he said was unreasonable.

As for your Ovie tangent, it isn’t strange that he didn’t get a bullet point. Nothing he did tonight stood out. It has been mentioned several times by the writers on this blog that Ovie hasn’t looked like Ovie since the season started. Why waste a bullet point that can be used for more notable players and observations?

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by oldemystix on Nov 21, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We should check the tone of the recaps—positive, negative, and neutral towards each player.

/MHH’d

I do think when regular commenters make Semin trade/walk jokes they are just that—jokes. I don’t know what to think when infrequent commenters make that, though, like first timers.

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by red army line on Nov 21, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeebus, let’s not start that shit here.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 21, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovie deserves to be called out for his awful play. It’s also fair to point out that Semin seems to have lapsed into his old bad habits. Having said that, I am not joining the chorus of anyone who’s crying out to trade either player.

by Ovietracker on Nov 21, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there is a chorus of anyone asking to trade either. It was a single comment about whether this was just a bad game for Semin or whether he’s going to lapse into some of the inconsistency we’ve seen through his career.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 21, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The "martyrdom" thing isn’t about supporting a player, it’s about claiming that the point is saying Semin’s slumping, written to try and denigrate his achievements to this point and with some kind of “glee” about that fact that he’s playing poorly, when it’s just noting that it’s going to be interesting to see how he responds, specifically because he’s been so good this year.

You’re completely right that most other players who hadn’t contributed as much might not have the same questions raised. But Alex Semin isn’t most players. He’s exceptionally talented, even by NHL standards and has a history of inconsistency.

by David Getz on Nov 21, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Email sent to SB Nation for a mega rec button.

"DON'T SAY THAT! Please! That is the worst, most stupid thing anyone could say! Cause it quite clearly isn't "only a game." I mean if it was do you honestly think I'd care this much?"

by Bald Pollack on Nov 21, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus, on Semin, I think the penalties they called on him were less egregious than the ones they failed to call on the Flyer players who tripped him. There were at least two occasions that I can recall. And I wasn’t the only person who felt that way.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 20, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Big, big improvement from Johansson tonight. He’s got what, 10 games played? He’s learning some good stuff, and his wheels are impressive.

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by boutros23 on Nov 20, 2010 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

Well, the Pronger post-game interview is a beaut. Great composure there, veteran.

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by boutros23 on Nov 20, 2010 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

He’s so unapologetically assholish that I can’t help enjoying his interviews.

Got my user name back from the dingo...

by alex_k on Nov 20, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Torts-esque, almost.

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by boutros23 on Nov 20, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

But Pronger is this generation’s ur-asshole: just articulate enough to be engaging and just snarky enough to be amusing. If ever there was a hockey player screaming for a role in a Whit Stillman film, it is Pronger.

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by alex_k on Nov 20, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec’d for the Whit Stillman reference.

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 21, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn they’re starting the 24/7 early!

Sorry to go OT.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 20, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the heads up!!!

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by boutros23 on Nov 20, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you!

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by Backeez Got Back on Nov 20, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Ovechwin on Nov 20, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Other observations:

1) is it my imagination or have the Caps never won a game when Nicky B’s in the penalty box during OT? And that’s the truth even when the Caps manage to skate off the penalty. Cases in point: Last week in Buffalo. Tonight. And nearly 2 years ago against the Bruins.

2) Should Eric Fehr play on the top line on Monday? Come to think of it, maybe his whole line should be treated as the top line. It’s not that anyone on our current top line has looked that great as of late, except Nicky did score a goal today. Or we could do the following line: Flash/Nicky/Fehr? That combination actually has worked.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 20, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

A lot of embarrassing officiating. Dudes should be tossed from the league after that circus. Even if the game was fixed, it’s hard to tell which team they were fixing it for.

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by sydtron on Nov 21, 2010 12:03 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

That’s the truth. The refs missed quite a few offenses. Semin was tripped at least twice and - no call. I’m sure those weren’t the only ones. When the Flyers finally got called for tripping Ovi, I heard a chant of “Finally”.

I also noticed there were a lot of guys tossed out of the faceoff circle — for both teams.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

That said, they continued to call penalties into the late-game and OT. They were calling the game pretty tight by my eyes all night, and there was less calling the score.

I’d like the refs to 1) stick to a calling system; if it’s a penalty in the 1st, it should be a penalty in OT. It was. 2) Make sure they’re not swallowing their whistles. Interference, holding, and hooking were the mainstays of defense in the boring trap years and the more acceptable they are, the less entertaining and fun hockey is.

I’d rather this than having to decapitate someone to get a minor. Let’s leave Darrien Hatcher on the front end of the lockout, where he belongs.

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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 21, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this, I thought the refs were mostly consistent. In my opinion, we saw two very good offensive teams causing one another to take penalties because they couldn’t keep up defensively.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Nov 21, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

update on Varly:

Goalie Semyon Varlamov (1-1-0), making his second conditioning start for Hershey on assignment from the Washington Capitals, made 19 saves. "For a game that had a lot of traffic," French said, "he held up well and looked solid."

I wonder how long they’ll leave Varly down with Hershey. Seems like he could use a few more starts.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 21, 2010 12:19 AM EST reply actions  

I’ve noticed that the Bears have not been having a good year at all. Lots of injuries and can’t beat Wilkes Barre to save their lives.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Will Varly start for the Bears tomorrow? But, odds are, he’s not exactly ready for back to backs. Or will it be for the next Bears game?

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Random thoughts from the game:

Yes, there were way too many Flyers fans there. Notice that the two games here were both on the weekend. The games in Philly? They’ll be on Tuesdays. Who the hell is in charge of this schedule? Kind of the same thing with the Penguins, not counting the Winter Classic. The two games here are essentially the day before Christmas and Super Bowl Sunday. The other game in Pittsburgh is on a Monday.

Nice that the officials finally started to call to the score in our favor. As always, it’s not so much what they call, but what they don’t call. Then again, after we tied it up, all bets were off.

Just when I had declared that the power play had gone cold again, it caught fire. Keep it up, boys. Will be interesting to see if they can continue to get some calls.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 21, 2010 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

Agree that there were way too many Flyers fans at the game.

Also, agree with your other points.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Had a REALLY drunk flyers fan next to me. She was drunk before the game even started. Drove me crazy.

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by RockinRed4Life on Nov 21, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This is the price

of having a “hot ticket” team. People are using their tix for investments, selling the higher priced games off at a profit. Redskins fans have been doing this for years culminating in the Pittsburgh Steelers Monday night game last year that was majority Steel Town fans. I’m not going to blame this on the bandwagoners (who I mostly enjoy) but on the opportunists like my neighbor who has season tickets and sales each one off. Still, as a season ticket holder since the Phone Booth opened, I’ve seen much worse. The “Booooch” calls reminded me of the “Moooose” calls from Pitt fans in the playoffs years ago. Horrible memories. The thirty or so Flyers fans around me got an earful of “Chicago has the cup” every time the Flyers scored, and “Booooch” every time the Caps scored. They were mildly amused. No violence needed and they were able to take as much as they give. I once put a name plaque on a blank Caps jersey about nine years ago that read “F#*K the Flyers” and wore it to a game in which my section was majority Flyers fans. About half of them made it a point to tell me how much they like it.

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by B8ovin on Nov 21, 2010 5:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh, had 4 flyers fans right around me. annoying. Twin problem of being a DC fan: 1) too many transplants so the visiting team is well supported if it’s Philly, NY, Bos. 2) Washington fans are sissies so the opposition fans chant for their team with impunity. I’m pretty sure that if I went to Philly and started in with “Let’s Go Caps” I’d get the shit kicked out of me.

by CarlosLA on Nov 21, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if you sat near me.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

So, people who wont routinely spit on or fight with fans of other teams are “sissies”? Whatevs. Every single “let’s go flyers” chant tonight got drowned out with ‘flyers suck’.

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by redlineblue on Nov 21, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

There were plenty of “Flyers Suck” chants going on. I must admit.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know what games you go to, but at this game and the Flyers game a couple weeks ago, “Let’s Go Flyers” was NEVER “drowned out.” It’s more like Call-and-Response where the DC crowd replies Flyers Suck. Yes the reply is louder than the original Call, but drowning out is actually, you know, drowning out where the Flyers fans can’t actually get their cheer going.

by CarlosLA on Nov 21, 2010 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

It could be executed differently, but that’s a quibble. I’ll take the situation you’re lamenting over ‘drunken, violent assholes’ as a phone booth standard, ~35 games a year and all playoffs long. An enemy jersey should get you harassed, not assaulted. And at today’s booth, it does.

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by redlineblue on Nov 21, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I hold the bar higher: An enemy jersey shouldn’t be worn. Period. You want to root for the other team, I’d prefer an environment where you gotta do that silently in your head wearing no team’s colors. To each his own.

by CarlosLA on Nov 21, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

To each his own as you say…but I feel like it would be ridiculous to extend that attitude to opposing teams fans. Do I want the bare minimum of them in the building surrounded by a sea of red? Sure, I’d like VC to have nothing but our fans there…but I would love to see our team play in other cities and wear my jersey there and cheer for my team. In the end we’re all fans of hockey and whether we “sports hate” each other or not during the game there are ways to be respectful even if you’re harassing them ;)

Opposing fans are generally appreciative if you are respectful to them and their team.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 21, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

you gotta do that silently in your head wearing no team’s colors

Or else what? What’s the ’higher" bar than harassed (which always happens in my section — and not just from me) not assaulted (which is just fucking idiotic)? Enlighten me.

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by redlineblue on Nov 21, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

A reccin’ for a bastion of sense. A lot of Philly fans are reviled around the league, why would we wish our own fanbase into the same behavior?

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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 21, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I’d rather have the crowd keep chanting “Lets Go Caps” in response.

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by red army line on Nov 21, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

We were certainly doing that in our section.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 21, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovi looked terrible tonight. Surprise no bullet for him. He’s got his speed, which he showed on that terrific breakout in the 2nd, but his puck handling and shot are awful at the moment. I’m pretty sure that the pre 2010 Ovi would have had three goals in the first 30 minutes, or at least two given his amazing chances but I’m not even sure Ovi got three good shots on those. On the PP he was missing his shots waaay wide. Two things I’m completely sick of:

-the 2 min PP shift. Twice towards the end of a PP Ovi failed to keep the puck in the zone because he was completely gassed.

-Taking the pass at the blue line, drifting towards center, shooting to have it go off the defenders stick into the webbing. Dump it in the damn corner and use your size and speed to terrorize defenders. Pronger made Ovi look bad all night.

Other thoughts:

-Stecks was HUGE. BB kept putting him out to take key faceoffs (especially defensive zone faceoffs on the PK), and he seemed to win most of them. He owned Richards tonight from what I could tell.

-Semin’s interference was the most blatant and needless penalty I’ve seen so far this year. He opened the game with a few sick passes and then stank the joint up. His third penalty looked bogus but hard to tell real time.

-I’d be perfectly happy if fighting disappeared from the game, but it hasn’t and so it was hard to see Fehr back away from Hartnell after Fehrsie had been whistled for boarding and Hartnell went after him. There the same size (Fehr’s a bit bigger). Hartnell’s no great fighter but he’s willing. Wish Fehr was, too. Not sure he’s ever dropped ’em.

- Chimera had one of his best games yet in red. Loved it.

by CarlosLA on Nov 21, 2010 1:00 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t agree with Ovi playing the whole 2 minutes of a PP — at least not on a regular basis. As you pointed out, he runs out of gas sooner or later.

It begs the question of who to replace him on the point. Carlson maybe.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s gotten to the point where I’d prefer Carlson. At least experiment with it a few games…and roll out 2 sets of forwards. Question is where do you position them. Semin and Ovie would both seem to play the half wall, although slightly different styles to each. I’d like to keep Backstrom with Ovie and throw maybe Knubs or Laich out there with them. I’d probably like to see 8/19/22 and 28/21/16 for my 2 sets of PP forwards. Green is going to play the full 2 minute PP shift we know that. Not sure I want Carlson doing it but I’d like to see it for a game or two, or maybe have Ovie shift to point if there is a stoppage. Half the reason he gets so gassed playing the full 2 minutes on the point is the constant retrieving since we seem to have a hard time entering the zone and setting up so much.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 21, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Today, for the first PP goal, they went with Ovi and Green at the points and Backstrom, Fehr, and Laich. Essentially, Semin was kicked off the PP.

Knuble’s not even an option since he won’t be playing on Monday.

It’s one thing for Ovi to play the point but not for the whole 2 minutes. We definitely need to get some other guys at the point besides Ovi and Green.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously when Knubs is out someone like Flash or even Chimmer can slide in. Prefer Chimmer more of the grinder type we lose with Knubs. I should have tracked Semin’s PP TOI better someone else mentioned he wasn’t seeing as much PK time tonight either. He may have just been coming off a shift too though. When we got the back to back PP’s in the 3rd Ovie didn’t start the 2nd one because he had just been out there for the first one.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 21, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Hard to see a lot of PK time when you’re in the box

by CarlosLA on Nov 21, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Even given his plentiful time in the box himself there were 6 other minors he could have killed ;)

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 21, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I noticed his absence from the earlier PK’s even when not in the box. (I think he was part of the PK effort for one of the later ones.) But his absence from two consecutive PP’s was much more noticeable.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been wanting to see 8-19-28 52-74 on PP1 for a while.. watch all those one-timers Stamkos rips off from the left wing on power plays, and tell me Ovie couldn’t do the same thing? Besides, if you’re not going to play with a PP2, you might as well overload the first?

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by winterion on Nov 21, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

System wise TB will pull the trigger from the half wall, we generate a lot of our offense walking in from the half wall or moving along the point. Sometimes we are able to feed Ovie to that side but it isn’t the go to option that we seem to push for up one man.

Refs allow play to continue....

by Truculence on Nov 21, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the answer is pretty easy: get Carlson in the rotation. Ovi has 104 PP TOI for the season, 50% more than the next cap. His Pts/60 5-4 is not tops on the team. No surprise as he’s gassed at the end (and playing with the less talented 2d unit). Carlson has 30 min of PP TOI for the season, most of that coming when Green was out.

I’m not crazy about Ovi playing point b/c he doesn’t keep the puck in particularly well and he leads to more SH rushes than a more responsible player would (even Semin qualifies in this case), but if he’s going to stay at the point, I do think the easy answer is a 3 man rotation at the point Ovi, Carlson and Green, where I’d be perfectly happy with Green and Ovi getting more than 1/3 the time each but no 2 min shifts.

by CarlosLA on Nov 21, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

That sounds like a good plan. I had been calling for getting Carlson as part of the PP rotation since the playoffs of last year. They were using him there at the beginning of the year and now they’re not.

At the minimum, Ovi should not be on the point for the whole 2 minutes.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually they are using Carlson on the PP some, he comes on after Green at times, or if Ovie ever gets off the ice.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 21, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Define “some”…

vs. ATL: Ovi and Green got 5:47 each. JC got 1 second.
vs. Buf: Ovi and Green got 2:13. JC got zero
vs. ATL: they all got about 3 1/2, but Green had a minor and BB spread the PP time around (i.e., Flash and Knuble each got almost 3 min)
vs. Buf: Ovi and Green got 1:50. JC got the last 10 seconds
vs. TB we had 16 seconds on the PP…

And on and on. The facts aren’t with you.

by CarlosLA on Nov 21, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

You picked five games out of twenty-one. On the season Carlson is averaging almost 1:30 PPTOI per game. While BB definitely needs to put him out there more to spell Ovechkin and Green the reality is the facts are with vtcapsfan, not you.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20112WASDADAll&sort=avgPowerPlayTOIPerGame&viewName=timeOnIce

by Yoshietree on Nov 21, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? I don’t think your link makes your point at all.

I “picked” the last 5 games. That’s not cherry picking. Throw in last night: Ovi had 9:13. Green had 8:39. Carlson? 1:42.

Your averaging is worthless. When Green and Ovi are in the lineup, Carlson gets garbage time on the PP. He racked up most of his 30 min YTD when Green was out… and then you average that over all the games and say “Hey, 1:30, not bad!”

Carlson played 10:18 on the PP in the three games Green missed. Then Green came back to play PP only on 10/23 and Green got 5:14, Ovi 5:11 and JC 0:11.

So, in three games Carlson got 1/3 of his season PP TOI. Then he either plays a few seconds, or if Green is in the box he picks up real time (depending on Poti’s availability).

Who are the facts with now?

by CarlosLA on Nov 21, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

It feels like JC only gets sent out there when he absolutely has to. As in we have back to back PP chances and it’s clear even in the case of Green or Ovie that BB will sit them for at least the start of the 2nd PP chance.

That being said, aside from last night’s endless marching to the box by both teams PP chances have been few and far between for us the last 5 or 6 games.

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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 21, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, that’s some good number pulling. Well played, sir.

by David Getz on Nov 21, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I made that statement thinking about last night’s game. 1:42 is nothing? And the Alanta game with 3:33? I didn’t qualify some to mean substantial. I didn’t even say some every game. Not sure why you are taking the tone you are.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 21, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree on Ovechkin – as for why not bullet? Unfortunately it didn’t seem that much different than a lot of his outings this year.

by David Getz on Nov 21, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually thought he looked better tonight than he has since Calgary. He’s still floating like a manatee in his own zone (a really disturbing development, he’s not moving his feet at all as he glides towards the slot and his stick is waist high), but he’s putting more sprints to loose pucks and strong rushes/plays together in a row. He had some horrendous luck with rolling pucks last night (the breakaway was on its edge the entire time) and a broken stick that would have at least forced Boucher to make a good save off the one-timer, but otherwise he was playing much better than he has in a week.

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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 21, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree he was better last night than he has been, but he still wasn’t close to what we know he can bring. Maybe if that early breakaway goes in it fires him up some more, but he shouldn’t need to be scoring to be engaged.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 21, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

My prior post was directed at David Getz.

by Ovietracker on Nov 21, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He did look better than in Atlanta. At least he fired couple of shots. But i agree with you that he doesnt look the same. At the beginning of the season he mentioned that he changed his trainer in the summer and said something like “we will see how it works out”. Well, its clearly didnt work out for him. Beginning from the preseason he looks often out of gas and doesnt have his normal agressivenes and poise, but its definitely not the main reason.
In addition, he worked out with another russian superstar who has not the best start of the season – Kovalchuk.

by aleand on Nov 21, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, his old trainer has relocated from Moscow and lives elsewhere now. Wonder if that had something to do with the change.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It cant be the only reason. Ovi could fly him in, every day, if he wanted!

by aleand on Nov 21, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ovie’s old trainer didn’t work out well for him last season in the playoffs so I’m not buying that as a reason for his poor play. I believe the glut of distractions, plus a lingering hangover from last season’s disappointments in the Olympics, Stanley Cup playoffs and World championships, plus his sensitivity to criticism about the Campbell hit and his two suspensions, all this added up together has taken its toll on Ovie’s psyche.

by Ovietracker on Nov 21, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure the suspensions and all the series disappointments have taken their toll on Ovy’s psyche. The Olympics contributed a great deal to it. But I think the suspension for the Campbell hit was practically the straw that broke the camel’s back. He never was the same since then. Note: he was leading the league in goals and points. Did not even lose the lead during the suspension but then he lost the leads in both those categories.

Rocking the Red for the Caps since 1975. Rocking the Red on additional fronts as well.

by CapsFan75 on Nov 21, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

hellYes

@the Olympics he went down the celebrity rabbit hole: He looked, on and off the ice, like a guy who was following team orders* no matter how stupid they may have been For it, he took a ton of highly individual blame.
In CHI, he just rode the wheel is all. I’m pretty sure there’s a NYR D who’s stilllaughing about how Ovechkin looks on it, but still.
Sometimes I wonder where Alex’s head is. Other times I wonder how it hasnt exploded yet.

*Violent camera-smashing mega-meltdown not included. Wait, what?

There's no 'i' in "team". But there's a 'nap' in "champion".

by redlineblue on Nov 21, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It cant be the only reason. Ovi could fly him in, every day, if he wanted!

by aleand on Nov 21, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

I find it hilarious that someone who writes for a Washington Capitals fansite site would be accused of being happy when one of the best players has a poor game or two.

If you are driving in the left hand lane and you are not passing, you are a #$@&$

by alisterio on Nov 21, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

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