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From Vogel's piece
"I think the week sets up well for us," says Caps forward Brooks Laich. "With Toronto playing Ottawa the night before, and then we have Boston, a team that we want to redeem ourselves with. And then also on Sunday, Philly plays the night before.

"So the week should set up well for us. That being said, we have to execute. We have to make it a good week. A 2-1 road trip is okay; we would have liked to have had all three. Now we really want to start to distance ourselves and put room between other teams and ourselves. Even if it is just the start of November, we want to start to separate from the pack a little bit."

I’m with D’ohboy. Laich has supplanted GreenLife52 at the top of the list of guys that should just stop talking.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 7:01 AM EDT reply actions  

so who, if anybody, should be talking to the media right now? Yeah they should be focusing on fixing their problems, but the team is 7-4, that’s 1 point out of first in the East, and 2 points out of first in the NHL.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on Nov 2, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d hate to see another thread blow up over this. Caps are all over the radio today, but the one I’m happiest to see getting air time is Neuvy.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

::points at right rail::

Say hello to my l’il friend!

When the team, under Brooks’s leadership, comes out and skates strong first periods, then I’ll be willing to listen to his thoughts on how the schedule sets up favorably, the need to make hay while the sun shines, etc.

Until then, he’s just a guy that says things that sound great, knowing there won’t be much follow up.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

What kind of follow up do you want from him personally?

Does he have to go out next game and score 3 goals, keep the PK perfect, and never be on ice for a goal against? And then do this every game so he can keep talking to the media? Or do you just want him to personally come to your house and talk to you about how the team can be better?

Everything a hockey player says is just fluff because at most they only go out and play 25 of a 60 minute hockey game. This isn’t like other sports, tennis and basketball come to mind, where there is literally 1 guy or the same guys play the entire game and they have complete control over the outcome.

If Brooks likes talking to the media that takes pressure off of other players. Media likes looking for quotes. So what if Brooks supplies them, that just means the media bugs Poti, Chimera, Knuble less. They are always going to want to talk to Alex and Mike.

The way several people vocal on this matter come off is that they want results just from Brooks rather than the team, which just comes off as personal attacks.
For which I say CI is that away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Nov 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

I’m pretty sure people just want Brooks to do what he says he needs to do….which in a lot of cases he’s not. I don’t think that’s so unreasonable.

"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."

Not in Seattle anymore.

by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The way several people vocal on this matter come off is that they want results just from Brooks rather than the team, which just comes off as personal attacks.

If this is what you think then you fundamentally mis-read the thread. I understand that Brooks’ responsibilities include talking to the media. My “win the Cup” comment was intentionally hyperbolic. It was meant to convey frustration with the tendency of certain players on this team to talk more about the things they ought to do instead of actually doing them. All of these nifty quotes will be cold comfort if this team doesn’t actually get its shit together.

The frustration probably had another undertone to it, and that was the tendency of some folks to impute talents or desire to players where they might not actually exist based more on the player’s pithy quotes than on demonstrated execution on the ice.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Until then, he’s just a guy that says things that sound great, knowing there won’t be much follow up.

The constant stream of well-intentioned bon mots gets old when they’re not followed through on consistently. At some point, you get tired of hearing how he knows what everyone needs to do and you want to see execution.

The other is Brooks acting like an all-knowing hockey guru, which is much more tolerable if you actually practice what you preach.

I got your Win the Cup statement, I also read the rest of the thread. I get that a lot of these statements recently don’t help because the caps have come out to play 2 or 3 times in 11 games. That style and attitude doesn’t win in the playoffs. We all do want to see the Caps get their game together and start rolling through lower class teams, but I don’t think we need to start throwing guys under the bus for what they say.

I mean I wouldn’t care if Ovi comes out tomorrow and talks about how he loves to have sex during the intermissions, and that he would…okay I’m kind of lost on other crazy things he wouldn’t say, but point being whether he shows up on ice or not I’m not going to go back and say “But you said you would!” Players stop talking to the media and all of a sudden the media spins it to “frustration” “anger” “shunning American press” aka Alex @ Olympics.

They have to say something, sometimes it could be as understated as “we need more traffic in the crease” and the media blows it up into a sound bite by putting words in their mouth or just misquoting them. It happens :S

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Nov 2, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I understand f_d and D’oh correctly, it’s not that they have a problem with anyone talking to the media. It’s that they are tired of what they see as empty words. And while I chuckled at the loose cow quote yesterday, I agree completely. The record, IMO, is not very indicative of the type of play they’ve brought to the table, and we’re tired of what seems to be all talk and little action from a team that we all know can be a whole lot better.

"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."

Not in Seattle anymore.

by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The latest in a long list of things from your browser that I wish I’d said first.

Perfect.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

When the Caps come out and play their game Toronto doesn’t have much there, they really don’t.

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Nov 2, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You said it perfectly. And not only speculating that Toronto will come out flat but also Philly.

by difer on Nov 2, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? The guy is being asked questions and answering them. Perhaps you should aske the press to stop asking him questions. If he stops talking then he’d be seen as a prima donna douche. It can’t be easy to answer the same questions over and over. It’s another week of games in November, what is he supposed to say? At least Brooks tries to make the quotes interesting. He also takes a bit o the pressure off of Ovi when it comes to being the locker room talker.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 2, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see something from him that bears some resemblance to objective reality, for a start.

And not stuff that ends up as bulletin board material for Toronto and Boston, for another thing.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. There’s nothing wrong with what he said. He didn’t say that Toronto or Boston or Philly weren’t good teams. He just said that the Caps were facing two of those teams on their second day of back-to-back games and the third team they want to avenge their two worst losses of the season.

Sounds like good stuff to me, and certainly nothing that would be taped to lockers.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, there is nothing wrong with Laich’s statements. I don’t think it is bulletin board material. I think all the guys have to talk to the press, it is in their contracts. Some guys just like it more than others and make themselves more available. Laich just kind of says the same thing all the time, pretty boring.

by Karl W on Nov 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

This statement seems very normal and almost boring. I don’t understand how this even relates to the previous thread.

Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.

by zephyr on Nov 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything Cox says about Ovechkin (and I admit I haven’t clicked the link, and don’t know if I will) should be considered nothing more than shilling for his book.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

You are correct. I should have read further.

For Ovechkin, these are interesting times. He’s the star of an intriguing new ad campaign, was glowingly featured in Gentleman’s Quarterly this fall and was the subject of an unauthorized biography (authored by Toronto writer Gare Joyce and yours truly) that the notoriously thin-skinned Leonsis has gone out of his way to discredit.

Should have known.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for saving me the trouble. ;-)

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for saving all of us the trouble.

"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."

Not in Seattle anymore.

by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It must be sad to be so full of envy.

There's always more to learn about Hockey.

by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The good news is Cox just keeps shooting himself in the foot with these articles.

by difer on Nov 2, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leonsis went nearly as far as Cox did to discredit the book. And isnt it Bradley who’s notoriously thin-skinned?

There's no 'i' in "team". But there's a 'nap' in "champion".

by redlineblue on Nov 2, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am no fan of Cox, but Leonsis is thin-skinned. He even reads emails to him from Caps fans and then gets upset about them. That’s pretty thin-skinned.

by Karl W on Nov 2, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He certainly is. Cox is just using it as an excuse that his book isn’t full of bias and contempt.

Human existence being an hallucination containing in itself the secondary hallucinations of day and night (the latter an insanitary condition of the atmosphere due to accretions of black air) it ill becomes any man of sense to be concerned at the illusory approach of the supreme hallucination known as death.

by sydtron on Nov 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leonsis says Cox is an untrustworthy, self-serving hack.
Cox says Leonsis is thin-skinned.
Both are correct.

There's no 'i' in "team". But there's a 'nap' in "champion".

by redlineblue on Nov 2, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If those are the options, I’d rather be thin-skinned.

There's always more to learn about Hockey.

by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

zackly.

There's no 'i' in "team". But there's a 'nap' in "champion".

by redlineblue on Nov 2, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox did start the blitzing though with his spate of articles with misleading information, and then he went off the rails via his tweets in response to Ted’s smack down. What he didn’t realize was just how much of a pit bull Ted can be. I think Cox underestimated Ted, but I personally hope that Ted doesn’t give him any more free publicity.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to stop myself. I actually clicked on the link at the bottom of his article to “report an error” with the intent of leaving a tirade of #%%&@@&*, but instead took a deep breath and backed out. I feel better now.

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by Backeez Got Back on Nov 2, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Cox
Two suspensions, a weak Olympic showing and spotty personal production in Washington’s first round playoff collapse at the hands of the Montreal Canadiens last spring were failures too significant for even recognition by his peers as the best player in the sport to overcome.

Luckily for us, Google Translate has Asshat-to-English functionality, so we can decrypt this muck. It means, “I don’t like the guy.”

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Um, I believe his peers recognized his performance for the season and awarded him the Pearson/Lindsay as the best player last year, but let’s not let facts get in the way there Mr. Cox.

by Ames on Nov 2, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least he still managed to keep throwing barbs at Ted

Still, it’s next spring’s playoffs, and not this regular season, that will define the Caps, although a 24.2 per cent increase in ticket prices by the club means they’ve got to keep being a compelling hockey show to watch.

Ted Leonsis’s club, which accepted more than $10 million in NHL revenue sharing last season, is 10th in NHL attendance. That’s about where they were a year ago, which means fans haven’t revolted despite being hit in the wallet.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see, it’s all clear now. AO hasn’t proven himself because the Caps get some $$ from revenue sharing.

by Ames on Nov 2, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh joy.

First off, the reason the ticket increase is so much is because they were so cheap to begin with, coming out of the lockout.

Secondly, the attendance ranking is hard to improve upon, unless they find a way to put another thousand seats in Verizon Center.

But, please, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta admit its a little crazy to have to shell out $50-some to sit in the last row….

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Compared to what it is in some other arenas? To see this team?

I call it a bargain.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Perhaps even a privilege.

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Florida Panthers 1.4% $8,954.75 $354.75 $48.76
New York Islanders 1.4% $4,620.00 $1,050.00 $51.46
Minnesota Wild 1.3% $9,900.00 $924.00 $61.28
Atlanta Thrashers 1.3% $9,900.00 $440.00 $48.51
Columbus Blue Jackets 1.3% $6,600.00 $792.00 $47.66

All higher average ticket prices than DC (44.75 according to linked chart).

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Coliseum is a dump, but it’s in New York, so I’ll give them higher costs. Otherwise, ugh.

Then again, averages are deceptive. How many seats are there at what price? I’d think the median is probably more relevant. And I don’t really know much about statistics.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah those are pretty rough numbers. I couldn’t find a better site in my quick search.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn’t directed at you, rather at the people who compile those numbers.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

twistedlogic mentioned the last row, so compare the cost for a season ticket in “the nosebleeds” on the linked site. All of the following teams cost more for such a season ticket than the Caps:

NJD, BOS, MON, CAL, OTT, NYR, EDM

with PHL, DET, COL and NYI all in the neighborhood.

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by Scott in Shaw on Nov 2, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a great point. The “average” ticket for Caps games appears to be cheaper, but we have all of 10 “red” games where you can get a 40 dollar upper level ticket. The white and blue games are 50-some and 65, if I’m not mistaken.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those averages are for season ticket prices, so the face value doesn’t apply.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh I see. What is the discount on the Caps season tix?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

depends on the section, but it’s significant.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in 426 and my cost is around $29 per ticket

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by Steve-R on Nov 2, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or at least the Canadiens seem to think so. To add to the priciness in Montreal, there is a major discrepancy in single game prices between “regular” games and premium games — as in about a 60 dollar discrepancy per ticket, more than for Caps games where the difference between the regular price and the highest premium price id $45. Note: the Canadians only have a regular game and premium game price, with no gradations in between. (They do have the “normal” variations for various tiers.)

Rocking the Red since 1975

by CapsFan75 on Nov 2, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Yes they are. Blame MLSE.

I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.

by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you wonder why they get so much flack on the Barilkosphere.

by Steck It Out on Nov 2, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone’s gotta pay for those retired teachers’ golden parachute!

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by apk3000 on Nov 2, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Air Canada Centre sells out every night, right? Until that’s not true, they’re going to keep raising the prices.

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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 2, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear lord yes.

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by Ovechwin on Nov 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do admit that the variable pricing is amazing. Up until this year, most games were one price and only a few were considered premium. Yesterday I looked at the pricing schedule, and only 10 games out of 41 are at the lowest gate price. And none of them are after December 9th.

Winning is profitable. Would you rather get a cheap ticket to see a team that never wins?

Signed,
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"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very good point. Love watching a winning team, but I’m a starving young professional. Can’t quite afford the season tix yet.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t even afford to pay to go to single games any longer. We go when we get free tickets.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

This. But I don’t begrudge the team the revenue. I just wish I had the disposable income.

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by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That too. I popped the 75 bucks to sit in the last row of the home opener (the fireworks definitely made that a worthwhile expenditure), but I haven’t been again and likely won’t. They only have a handful of “red” games (40 bucks for upper deck?). Most of the games are “white” and “blue” unfortunately.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fireworks? Sounds like I missed some fun. I didn’t make it into the building until just before puck drop. How disappointing.

I understand the predicament. It’s also part of why I sell some of my tickets. 41 games is a lot of time as well as money.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well….figuratively speaking of course. 7 goals and a handful of fisticuffs.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I thought you meant not literal fireworks (indoors and all), but firey stuff like they did for the playoffs intro.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Check stubhub the day of, I got 12 dollar tickets once.

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by Ovechwin on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you pick them up at willcall?

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, got them from a STH. Just check craigslist etc. You can find cheap tickets.

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by Ovechwin on Nov 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Day of the game they’re all instant download and e tickets.

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by Ovechwin on Nov 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have two games picked out for early next year. Going to sit down low to avoid the riffraff, but probably won’t go to too many other games.

Playoffs are essentially right out.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming we make it, I will definitely get to one of the first round games. I had a blast last year.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

We didn’t go to any playoff games last year, but the year before we went to a game in the Rangers series in the the Club Section. That was nice.

I actually like the Club Section better than the Luxury Boxes. I think they’re my favorite seats in the arena.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Club seats are awesome. They were even more awesome at 49 bucks for student rush nights. Best seats in the house since you get that great viewing angle and if you get a leaner in front of you, its easier to see around.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I loved them. They were expensive enough to keep the riffraff away, but high up enough to where I could see everything (as opposed to the lower section corner seats I usually end up with).

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

My seats are in the club level and I truly love the viewing angle, even if we are at the end where the Caps only shoot once. Plus, shorter lines for toilets and beer.

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by Scott in Shaw on Nov 2, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I could afford the Club level, or if I thought I could sell enough tickets to make it affordable, I’d totally be there. As is, 400-level tickets are a bit of a stretch on a not-for-profit salary. :)

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better food options up there too. Student rush nites were the only way I could afford them. Now that they don’t do those (I’m not in school anymore anyways) I can’t afford anything. I really need a promotion.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love our club seats too. We waited too long to get seats in the 100s. Now I’m glad (though the price is a gagger) because I can see the whole ice so well.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Riffraff? Should I take offense to that? Because I can’t afford better seats.

by wickedwitch on Nov 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only if you stumble in drunk halfway through the first period, abuse the players and fans around you for a while, and then stumble out once they stop serving drinks.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah—that’s just the drunken idiots wearing the opposing team’s jerseys who decide to start a fight.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if you can work your schedule around it, weekday games, you can get tickets on the cheap on Stubhub the day before or day of the game. Like for tomorrow’s game they’ve got upper deck tickets as low as $18, club level in the $50’s and $60’s, and lower seats starting at $64. And tomorrow, the selection might be slimmer, but the prices should get even lower for the better seats

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by Elliotte on Nov 2, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

True story. I work right next door to VC, so I’ll try and get to some of the games. Problem is, I live really far away and have to commute in at the crack of dawn.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or keep an eye on this site’s Ticket Exchange. Tickets I put up are always at the season ticket price.

by Yoshietree on Nov 2, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I luckily can afford season tickets but it did dawn on me that ticket prices have increased at a slightly percentage higher rate than my salary has increased during the last 35 years, even including all promotions, raises; etc.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 2, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And crap, it didn’t occur to me that the Maple Leafs in town means Cox in the press box. Wonder what I can throw at him. Too bad I can’t really do that.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Capitals gang signs?

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by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Any idea where he got the revenue sharing information?

by Yoshietree on Nov 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at your own town, asshole. How much are Leafs tickets? And when was the last time they had a chance?

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by Rob Parker on Nov 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Damien is well aware that Ovi won the Pearsay Trophy from his peers. He’s saying it doesn’t matter, and that AO has broken the hearts (and wallets) of Caps fans one too many times, who are apparently lined up ‘round the block at the VC to return their season tickets, causing Evil Ted to once more raid the League coffers (and prolly take all the mints from the NHL lobby reception desk while he’s at it. Again.)

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by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why he bothered to write this article. He could of just copied a few pages out of his book and had the same effect. It comes off like a hate piece at the entire Caps organization and only make Cox look bad.. Has anyone read this book? I was going to at least take a look at it at the library but Montgomery County isn’t ordering it last I checked.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 2, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I keep meaning to spend some “quality” time at the B&N Library (heh), but haven’t done it yet.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I was thinking I should do that, but I haven’t been to a B&N in months. I buy my books at Target because its cheaper.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 2, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pearsay Trophy

To rhyme with “hearsay”. An adjective that could be used to describe Cox’s testimony.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 2, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two suspensions, a weak Olympic showing and spotty personal production in Washington’s first round playoff collapse at the hands of the Montreal Canadiens last spring were failures too significant for even recognition by his peers as the best player in the sport to overcome.

Translation: The Pearson/Lindsay award doesn’t overcome the other stuff.

by Wheeler on Nov 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he said AO had 52 goals last year. Fact-check, Cox.

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by red army line on Nov 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the non-sequitors about ticket prices, attendance and revenue sharing in an article about Ovi’s performance. More Ted hate coming through. I thought the article was heading in a good direction until he included those unrelated tid bits.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 2, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love how he is mad ticket prices are going up and mad that the Caps are part of revenue sharing in the same sentence. Higher prices = less sharing, so a sane man against sharing would be glad for higher prices. Of course, if you are against high prices, a sane man would not mind sharing.

Basically what I’m saying is Cox is not a sane man.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Alex and Sid ought to be eligible for some revenue sharing from the League. They have been very generous in allowing the NHL to use their images to rebuild respect, interest, and cold hard cash for hockey post-lockout.

IMO they are both grievously undercompensated for the amount of revenue they have generated.

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by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did too—think it wasn’t too bad until his Ted diatribe. Something tells me Ted won’t be inviting him to his box. Cox also leaves out inconvenient facts such as that the arena has a mortgage and was built using private not public money, which factors into the revenue sharing calculations.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found it amusing that Cox showed his awareness of the Caps’ powerful and knowledgeable blogger community, when he cited RMNB’s recent statistical piece on Ovi’s tendencies when shooting the puck. Sure he used it to slam Ovi (his favorite target after Ted), but he can’t then turn around and call this franchise full of ignorant, fair-weather fans who only own red jerseys with the number 8 on the back.

Oh wait he can, because he doesn’t let facts get in the way of his biases.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find it amusing that Caps fans keep reading his drivel and giving him page hits.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Geez. I just followed the link.

It at least shows he is very aware of the larger community around here, especially the solid sites like RMNB, one of my favs.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but there’s a reason JP puts (Cox) after the link.

If you go there voluntarily, know what you’re getting yourself into and know that in some small way, you’re supporting, nay enabling his ability to keep doing it.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well I’m not the only one who read it this morning. Sorry I’m the one who managed to piss you off somehow.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You didn’t piss me off, it’s just that the Cox thing has now been going on for the better part of five months.

The guy is CLEARLY yanking Caps fans’ collective chain, and yet there are some people who keep letting him do it. He knows that we’re protective of Ovie and collectively self-conscious about our team and our status as fans and he plays on that for page views and, what’s worst of all is that so many people are falling for it.

He’s like the obnoxious kid on the playground. Ignore him.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah I get that. And agree with you about not letting him get under our collective skin. (And he really isn’t under mine anymore). I really just thought it was interesting how hyper-aware he is even of Caps bloggers.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Peerless

Programming note: We are going to go dark for a little while. Hopefully we will return to this space in about a week.

We (or at least I) shall be despondent and bereft in your absence, Peerless. An unfillable void. Hurry back!

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by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 7:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. I saw that. It’s a bummer, for sure. Hope all is right in Prognosticatin’ land.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I assume that means he’s going on vacation for a week.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont like the sound of the word “hopefully”.

by S h a g g y on Nov 2, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

A Reminder

Hockey n Heels tickets go on sale today at 10am, for those who may be interested. Link to order here.

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by boutros23 on Nov 2, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Woo girly hockey!

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by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just made me picture high heeled shoes with skate blades on them…

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by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone done this before? Worth it?

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by Backeez Got Back on Nov 2, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It always seems to be on a week day, and I can’t stay out that late with work the day before.

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by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t done it yet, but I have a friend who’s a newly minted Caps fan. I think I’ll go with her.

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by boutros23 on Nov 2, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went a couple of years ago. It was fun. And I’m the oddball who finds the information sessions more interesting than the on-ice stuff, although that’s fun, too. I haven’t made up my mind yet, but I think I’m going to go (or attempt it, given the 30 minute window they sold out in last year).

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

And ticket purchased.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mine too. Rabbits represent.

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by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me, also!

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by Backeez Got Back on Nov 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got called away from my desk and now it’s sold out. :(

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by boutros23 on Nov 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boo on your office!

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity, isn’t the Hockey n’ Heels event a little. . . remedial. . . for the ladies on this site?

I mean, given how much hockey knowledge y’all have, won’t you be bored?

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why I like the information sessions. Bruce talked about some very specific strategy which totally lost me two years ago. I think I can follow it now. I’m also looking forward to hearing about the conditioning. My son is majoring in Kinesiology, so maybe there’s a job as a Caps’ trainer in his future. :-)

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. I guess I’d just wager that similar information is available around these parts for free. :)

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but…oh, never mind.

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by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, what they should be offering is Hockey 101 or the like to everyone. Didn’t they used to do something like that?

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

There should also be a video they play before the game explaining offsides and icing, lessening the amount of bitching and moaning from attendees who don’t know shit about hockey.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

And one about leaning.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s sort of what I thought when I was reading the HnH agenda. I also don’t have $65 though.

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Not in Seattle anymore.

by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny you should say that. I was hesitant to sign up until I saw some positive posts above. My fear was that it would be like the time that someone sent me a subscription to Women’s Golf magazine and most of it seemed to be about how to choose the best looking outfit or where to convince your husband to take you for vacation golf – not something I’m into. However, in one issue I saw a piece on putting that I still use to this day. So, if I can glean a few pieces of information first hand that I might not get elsewhere, then I’m willing to invest the $60 for a few hours one night (which is less expensive than my season ticket seats)!

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by Backeez Got Back on Nov 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year I wasn’t that impressed tbh. Except for Bruce, I’ll miss that session! $60 was too much for me.

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by Ovechwin on Nov 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

May's article

I keep being impressed by his articles. They give a new perspective and usually are something new being said about whatever the topic du jour is.

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by Elliotte on Nov 2, 2010 8:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Makes me think of Tracy Flick.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

My avatar approves this message.

"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."

Not in Seattle anymore.

by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Briere. LOL
“Yeah. I made a mistake, my stick was up. I’m the first one to admit it. It shouldn’t have been there. After what he said on the faceoff, all I was thinking was I got to protect myself, after what happened to [Andrej] Meszaros, what happened with Trevor Gilles on [Braydon] Coburn. I said, ‘I got to protect myself’, and if you see the faceoff before, he gets me in a headlock and punches me behind the head, the same player. So I was like I got to get my head up and protect myself. What I’m disappointed in is the fact they tried to spin it as a crosscheck to the head. If you look at the replay, it’s clearly not a crosscheck. A crosscheck is two hands moving forward. It’s a push with one hand. The mistake I made was that my stick was up there. Is it worth 3 games for that? I don’t think so. On top of it, I missed him, I didn’t even get him. There are guys whose careers are in danger for bad hits to the head. [Chicago Blackhawks’ defensemen Niklas] Hjalmarsson gets two games, and we don’t even know what is going to happen to [Buffalo Sabres’ winger Jason] Pominville. Only 2 games for that. And then you have [Pittsburgh forward Matt] Cooke on [Boston Bruins’ center Marc] Savard. Savard has already lost a big amount of time. That’s why I was shocked that it was more than a game.

Riiiiiiiiight. What a joke.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I shouldn’t be sent to jail! The bullet I fired didn’t even hit him!

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

000

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

It’ll be ok, Olli.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better babyhead: Jokinen or Wayne Rooney?

I think I have to side with Rooney.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Olli is King Baby.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. He’s just the king, baby.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hail...

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Nov 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Rec-stick’d.

"DON'T SAY THAT! Please! That is the worst, most stupid thing anyone could say! Cause it quite clearly isn't "only a game." I mean if it was do you honestly think I'd care this much?"

by Bald Pollack on Nov 2, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So a shot to the head doesn’t warrant a suspension.

…okay.

by Steck It Out on Nov 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s real funny that he would even bring up the Cooke hit given Richards’ implicit connection to that. And the hit on Meszaros was straight up clean. I don’t know about the Gillies thing, though.

Bottom line, he’s full of shit.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicky on the Fan this morning, Junkies asked some weird questions:

-He likes living in DC.
-He doesn’t get recognized much around town.
-Semin is a great player and likes playing with him. Didn’t comment when the Junkies said the Carebear line is the best in NHL.
-He doesn’t bring his own pillow on road trips. Worst city to travel to is Buffalo. Junkies suggested Columbus and he also agreed. He hasn’t gone out in Calgary so he doesn’t know much about it.
-They got back at 6 am from Calgary, got the day off.
-He goes to a lot of Redskins games this year, they are fun, likes the big crowd. More fun than wizards games because of the big crowd. He understands what he needs to about football.
-He is single. He had dated a dark haired Swedish woman before. Sweden is 60% blond/40% dark hair. If he was dating a blond Swedish woman and she dyed her hair black, he would still love her.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 2, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

That last point is an odd line of questioning…

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by boutros23 on Nov 2, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

not really, just trying to help out the single ladies in the area know if they need to go blond to get Nicky’s attention

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on Nov 2, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the Junkies. "Nuff said.

By the way, The Fan is really quick to get their podcasts up, so if you missed it (I did), it will probably be there in an hour or so.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where exactly were they going with the last question?

And I would def bring my own pillow on road trips.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the Junkies, that’s their style. They were being typical men talking about hot blond Swedish women. They actually said someone they worked with (I didn’t know him because I don’t listen to them) would dump his blond girlfriend if she dyed her hair. But Nicky said he would still love her.

Nicky actually laughed at the question that he would bring his own pillow. Well the Junkies guy was complaining he couldn’t sleep with strange hotel pillows of the wrong thickness. Then Nicky laughed because he had no trouble. Actually at the nicer hotels they seem to have a variety of thin pillows and bigger pillows.

At the end they just basically told Nick that his favorite Halloween candy must be Swedish fish.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 2, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I had unlimited space to pack, I’d bring a pillow. It’s almost impossible to find a good hotel pillow.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have the same problem. If I’m driving somewhere I’ll bring mine, but flying I usually don’t have the space for it.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on Nov 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially not with how some airlines charge for bags now.

There's always more to learn about Hockey.

by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. If I’m driving somewhere, my own pillow is an essential item. Also, hot blond Swedish women are…well…hot.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

The best was when Nicky said he had never listened to their show before! Good answer, Nicky! The Junkies are sometimes amusing but their cluelessness and not knowing basic facts gets a little old.

by Ray of Sunshine on Nov 2, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like them because they admit they don’t know the first thing about hockey most of the time.

I’d be way more supportive of the CSN dummies if they just said “Bear with me, I don’t know these names..” before doing highlights.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

A couple of years ago, they did one of the intermissions at a Caps/Flyers game. Caps were up 2 something (I really don’t remember if it ws 2-0 or 2-1) at that point, and when discussing the likely outcome, one of them said something like watch them lose 4-2. Which they did. Boo Junkies and stay away from Caps games!

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that too. Cakes is a notorious sports jinx, so he was trying to stay ahead of the game and pick the Flyers to help the Caps. He’s also easily the biggest Caps fan on the show. Backfired on him, and he’s still clearly dealing with it, haha.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

In defense of Columbus, I went to the Caps-CBJ last season in Columbus with a few friends, and the area around the arena post-game reminded me a lot of how it is at the Verizon Center. One particular establishment, The R Bar, is owned (or co-owned) by a Baltimore native, so it was odd walking in and seeing Orioles/Colts/Skipjacks memorabilia. And all the CBJ fans we encountered were really cool.

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by patred48 on Nov 2, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Junkies forget that Columbus is a big College town. It’s actually got a pretty good night life.

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by bagace on Nov 2, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Peerless' analysis of Ovechkin's production

Is amazing and what I expect from him. But it still bums me out. I hope Ovie can beat that pattern.

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by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Goals scored is not synonymous with production. There are lots of reasons to believe that with more experience, he’ll score fewer goals and yet be more valuable to his team.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Nov 2, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

That is an excellent point.

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by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep this in mind about goal scoring…

Steve Yzerman scored at least 50 goals in five seasons, and in those seasons:

- only twice did they finish above .500
- four times they made the playoffs
- only once did they advance past the first round

I suspect Ovechkin will never top 60 goals again. I think he will be a formidable goal scorer for most of the rest of his career, but eventually (as in, by the time he is 30) that will mean more in the 45-50 range, not the 50-plus range. But by the same token, he should be a better all around, more nuanced player, even in light of his physical edge (like a player he is often compared to — Mark Messier).

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I’ll be happy with a 30 yo 45-50 goal scorer. That isn’t anything to laugh about.

"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."

Not in Seattle anymore.

by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If AO says “yo” 30 times while scoring his 45-50 goals, I’ll laugh at him.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I meant…yeesh.

"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."

Not in Seattle anymore.

by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he leads the team to the Cup, that’s the important thing. Eyes on the prize.

There's always more to learn about Hockey.

by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amen.

"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."

Not in Seattle anymore.

by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep this in mind about goal scoring…

Steve Yzerman scored at least 50 goals in five seasons, and in those seasons:

- only twice did they finish above .500
- four times they made the playoffs
- only once did they advance past the first round

I would say that’s more indicative of how good the Norris Division was during that era, and how bad the Wings were.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t entirely see the Yzerman/Ovechkin comparison. Yzerman wasn’t the dominant player of his era. An amazing player, certainly, but Ovechkin and Crosby are head and shoulders above the rest of the league in a way that Yzerman wasn’t.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 2, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

This too. I don’t buy this story that “the Wings didn’t win till Yzerman started playing defense”. They won when they hired Scotty Bowman and got Brendan Shannyhan, and Brett Hull, and Nicklas Lidstrom, and a bajillion other future HOFs to play for them.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

The comparison is Yzerman to himself, not his cohorts. He was once a 50-goal/125-plus point player. His teams did squadoosh. His goals/points ramped down, but the team built around him was vastly superior AND (and this is a big AND, as denoted by the capital letters), Yzerman subordinated himself to the team. He gave up stats for wins.

The keys here are: a) it is at least as important that the Caps build a team around Ovechkin that can win, and b) that Ovechkin recognize the benefits of sharing the statistical wealth.

I don’t see that Ovechkin is especially obsessed with his own numbers (although no one on the planet enjoys scoring a goal more than he does), but it is still an open question about the team around him. Unfortunately, the fact that the Caps have lingering problems at second line center, defensive depth, and goaltending experience reduce easily to “Ovechkin Isn’t Winning,” or so go the usual media formulations.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one on the planet enjoys when his teammates score a goal more than he does either. Hell, he’s usually more excited than the guy who actually put the puck in the net.

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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 2, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It can be dangerous to score a goal when he’s on the ice. I swear he’s going to hurt someone in a dogpile someday.

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by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He sacked Fedorov, but good, after 91’s series-winner vs. NYR. Then Feds moved back to Russia.
Coincidence?

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by redlineblue on Nov 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He more or less boarded Fedorov harder than he boarded Campbell.

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by sydtron on Nov 2, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way he tackled Greenie Sat night, and how he took down Nicky last year too….sometimes I wish he’d tone it down a bit before someone gets hurt in the celebration.

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by bagace on Nov 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed, hence the Green tackle-hug the other night.

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by Bman21212 on Nov 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

AND (and this is a big AND, as denoted by the capital letters), Yzerman subordinated himself to the team. He gave up stats for wins

Did he? Or did his performance decline due to age at the same time his team improved due to improved coaching and an infusion of talent?

I haven’t looked any deeper, but I’ve always been skeptical of the Canadian media canard about Yzerman changing his game for the good of the team…

by Ginga on Nov 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or did the whole league decline and he went along with it?

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

0000

/ding ding ding ding ding

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He might have gotten a nudge in that direction. Yzerman’s career has a fault line across it almost as clear than the San Andreas. In 1992-1993 he went 58-79-137 in 84 games for a team that won 47 games but lost in the first round of the playoffs.

The next year he went 24-58-82 (in only 58 games, a 116 point pace) for a team that lost again in the first round. But then the next year, with Yzerman scoring at only a 66 point pace for a full season (it was the short year because of the strike), the Wings went to the finals.

The big difference (even with Sergei Fedorov on the team), Scotty Bowman took over for Bryan Murray in 1993-1994. I’m guessing he didn’t much like what he saw the first year and convinced some (including Yzerman) to make some changes.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just typing this. Federov and Bowman changed this team.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

*

Fedorov.

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by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

on his jersey i think it was FEDOROV.

by Natty Bumppo on Nov 2, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s actually: Федоров

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or at least that’s the way he spells it.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 2, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yzerman also had injuries in 1993-94 and the lockout in 1994-95. After that, the league as a whole declined in scoring.

Moreover, this only supports my point that scoring is affected by a bunch of factors outside a player’s control.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it doesn’t impact the general trend across players and across generations that for elite goal scorers, their peaks come early, usually very early, in their careers. You’re not finding many late bloomers among that crowd.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

See my stat dump below.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was once a 50-goal/125-plus point player. His teams did squadoosh

Not his fault. They were running guys like Greg Stefan and Tim Cheveldae in goal, for the love of Mary.

His goals/points ramped down, but the team built around him was vastly superior AND (and this is a big AND, as denoted by the capital letters), Yzerman subordinated himself to the team. He gave up stats for wins.

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He didn’t need to be a 50/125 guy any more. And I believe he had been affected by several injuries by that point.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

And in Cheveldae's case - running him ragged

72 friggin games, sheesh

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

000

Their backup that year was Greg Millen.

But I think they did OK in the draft

1 10. Martin Lapointe Canada Laval Titan (QMJHL)
2 32. Jamie Pushor Canada Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)
3 54. Chris Osgood Canada Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL)
4 76. Mike Knuble Canada Kalamazoo (NAHL)
5 98. Dmitri Motkov Russia CSKA Moscow (Russia)

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

back when Knuble was still a Kanadian.

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by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that what Canadians who play for Kalamazoo are known as? ;)

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t need to be a 50/125 guy any more

By the time Detroit was winning cups, there simply weren’t many of these left. 50/125 wasn’t common back in the 80s, but there were typically more than one or two.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I think by the later part of his career they were basically putting his knee back together every year with duct tape and glue.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Individual statistics must be coupled with the rest of the team, however. Who else was on those Red Wings teams? Gerard Gallant? Paul McLean? Adam Oates as a rookie?

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

This guy for one

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know what is more depressing: Rick Zombo or those terrible ProSet cards that I had too many of.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mint condition? Forget that. I always demand my hockey cards in “Air Condition”

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

000

I get mine in Clint Condition

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Time to boo that condition. He ruined my Thanksgiving dinner!

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 2, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact, nine of the top ten goal-scorers through age 24 had already scored 50% of their career goals (Jaromir Jagr being the lone expection.)

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If the NHL changes rules to favor more offense and many more power plays, I’d give Ovechkin a shot (pun intended) at scoring at his current rates for a few more seasons. As it stands, either this season or next season I think will be his best, if he’s to top 65.

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by red army line on Nov 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

at age 24 – Ovechkin’s current age – Dale Hawerchuk ranked 3rd in goals, Michel Goulet 6th, Pierre Turgeon 7th, Jimmy Carson 8th and Pat Lafontaine 10th.>

While I agree with their conclusion, I’ll still point out that almost all of those players have the same thing in common – they came of age during the post ’68 offensive explosion.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dale Hawerchuk

Even though he played in an offense-first era of the 80s NHL, people forget what a great scorer Dale Hawerchuk was. Entering the league at 18 for Winnipeg, he scored more than 40 goals 7 times in his first 8 seasons. After leaving the Jets he never replicated the same success with BUF STL or PHI.

From Legends of Hockey,

Despite playing in Western Canada during an era dominated by Edmonton and Calgary, Hawerchuk missed the playoffs only once during his 16-year career. During an era dominated by Gretzky and Lemieux, Hawerchuk recorded more than a point-per-game for 13 consecutive seasons. In a poll of NHL general managers during the mid-1980’s asking them to select the player they would start a franchise with, Hawerchuk was voted third behind only Gretzky and Paul Coffey

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love those old Winnipeg jet uniforms

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were pretty. Too bad the franchise has always kinda sucked.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really. They were an OK team who often had the shite luck of being stuck in the Smythe Division with Calgary and Edmonton when those two teams were dominant in the 80s. Always 3rd..or as we call it in Toronto—Blue Jay Syndrome—where you can have a good team and still finish 3rd in the AL east behind the Yankees and Red Sox.

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

In almost 30 years in the NHL, they’ve won exactly two playoff series.

By any measurement, that sucks.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for shaking that snow globe to give an equally valuable perspective. I also felt depressed after reading Peerless’ piece. Good to be reminded that goals aren’t everything in Ovi’s bag of tricks and hopefully he adds what the Caps’ need to that bag.

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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

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by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go out on a bit of a limb and disagree with Peerless to an extent.

While I agree that we will likely never see 65 in a season again, and that goal-scoring ability does eventually decline with age, I also think that using data from players whose careers began in the late 80s or early 90s is going to badly skew the results. This is because the league as a whole saw a massive decline in goal-scoring from 1995-2004. It’s no surprise to me, then, that Selanne’s goal-scoring curve has a bit of a trough during the late 90s/early 00s, then rises again after the lockout, only to decline again (as goals have fallen consistently since 05-06). Dany Heatley’s numbers follow a similar pattern – he had one great year as a youngster, then faced some adversity, then had two great years right after the lockout when scoring was crazy.

What this means for Ovechkin is unclear. If league-wide scoring continues to decline year-on-year, he’ll likely mirror that, with an age-related decline relative to the league beginning in a few years. I will agree with Peerless (and others) that goal-scoring isn’t the only form of production and that Ovie can contribute in other ways. Hopefully, his career follows the path of Brendan Shanahan, and he becomes an effective, Cup-winning two-way forward.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

While I agree that we will likely never see 65 in a season again, and that goal-scoring ability does eventually decline with age, I also think that using data from players whose careers began in the late 80s or early 90s is going to badly skew the results.

That is true if you are comparing the early Kovalchuk career with the early Recchi career, but we’re not. The functions are of each player to himself (and the differences even among players are not all that great. All seven had a peak 82-game window over 50 goals, except for Kovalev. The big generational difference is that the portion of the function over 50 goals tended to be longer among more recent players).

A player, individually, generally expresses a function in which his production goes up (usually to about age 25 or so) then shows a more steady decline through the rest of his 20’s and into his 30’s (with a few exceptional spikes).

We’re not making the argument that player “A” is a better goal scorer than player “B” (which would entail generational effects), but rather that despite generational differences the track of fheir goal-scoring careers are remarkably similar and offer a hint at where Ovechkin’s goal scoring production is likely to go.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

but rather that despite generational differences the track of fheir goal-scoring careers are remarkably similar and offer a hint at where Ovechkin’s goal scoring production is likely to go.

But the curves, though self-referential, are still based on goals scored in the NHL. And the number of goals scored is a function of several factors well outside the control of the player. In the case of guys like Recchi, Kovalev, et. al, one of those factors was a league-wide decline in scoring. Was the decline in goals scored by Selanne after 1997-98 age-related or league-related? I’d argue that, given his 05-06 and 06-07 seasons, it was a combination of injury and the overall decline in scoring.

If Kovalchuk’s scoring declines this year, could we definitively say that it was due to age, or might it be due to the fact that he’s now playing for the Devils?

Another comparable (and really one of the only ones in my book) was Jagr. He showed a similar decline past 25, but then he exploded for 50+ in 05-06. I don’t think that’s coincidence.

In summation, while I agree that goal-scoring declines with age, I don’t think that there is a smooth decline post-25, and that relying overmuch on a data-set comprised of players who lived through the largest league-wide scoring decline in NHL history (by a wide margin), will lead you to the erroneous conclusion that Ovie is in the slow-motion act of falling off the proverbial cliff.

In other words, while a repeat of 65 is unlikely, I don’t think that we ought to anticipate Ovie becoming a 40-45 goal/year scorer in the next few years (barring injury or a league-wide scoring collapse, of course).

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Of the top 17 goal scoring season, only 5 were from players older than 25. Brett Hull twice (and he was 26 and 27), Bernie Nicholls (yes, him) when he scored 70 when he was 27 (with a certain guy named Wayne centering him), and Lemieux at 27 and 29.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not arguing that the decline is smooth, only that the trend is in that direction. The result I found so surprising (and the one with specific relevance to Ovechkin) is that the peak comes so early in a player’s career, regardless of generation. A guy like Gretzky might have his earlier (his came at 21!), and a guy like Bondra might have his later (27), but no one is improving as a goal scorer — generally — once they get past 25. Now, are they better “players?” That’s an entirely different question.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Hart trophy is usually given to older players. Other than Crosby and Ovechkin, no Hart was won by a player younger than 25 since Lindros in ’95. Not that the Hart is always indicative of the best player, mind you.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Hart skews other ways, by position (center) as a product of points (easier to get assists than goals, because two may be awarded for each goal).

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but I think it’s indicative of players maturing, playing less of the all-out-goalscoring and more of the all-phases-of-the-game and leadership.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Phil Esposito reached his peak between 29 and 32.

Lafleur was 26.

Robitaille at 26.

Bobby Hull’s NHL peak was at 30, while his WHA peak was well past that.

Marcel Dionne’s peak was 27-30.

Johnny Bucyk’s prime was at 35.

Gartner’s best year came at 25, but his next-best year came at 31.

Mikita’s prime was 27-30.

Mahovlich’s best season came at 30, and so did Norm Ullman’s.

Jean Ratelle’s best years were 31 and 32.

Gordie Howe had one of his best goal-scoring seasons as a 40-year old.

My point in all this is that if you pick a bunch of players who played when they were younger in high-scoring eras, then track their careers into low-scoring eras, the age-related decline gets exaggerated, whereas if you pick guys like Bucyk, who played early in low-scoring eras then played later in high-scoring ones, they look as though they have no age-related decline.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You really have to delve a little deeper with some of those numbers. Hull and Mikitia’s late surge correspond to the NHL expansion of ‘68. Lafleur’s numbers were pretty much the same from 23 to 28, with 26 not being much different than the others.

And when you say best seasons for players like Bucyk, Ratelle, and Howe (and don’t forget that Howe played a lot of seasons with only 50 games early in his career), they were most likely due to changes in the game — ie, rules changes, expansion, curved sticks, etc.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You really have to delve a little deeper with some of those numbers. Hull and Mikitia’s late surge correspond to the NHL expansion of ‘68.

This. Is. My. Point.

Era matters.

Sorry, but it took me a while to put that together, so I’m mildly annoyed that you glossed over the fact that you’re agreeing with me in order to argue with me.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn’t disagreeing with you — I was just elaborating because I am swell headed.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, it just seemed like you were disagreeing with your comment, when my point was that, as eras change, goal scoring rates change, and this can skew data pretty hard one way or the other.

In the case of the generation of players that just retired or is now retiring, that means that they declined “harder” than they ought to have naturally, whereas guys like Bucyk had an artificially soft landing.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I really want an OPS+ or ERA+ type of stat for the NHL. It shouldn’t be that difficult to do (for someone with more talent than me), but it will show that some of the gaudy numbers weren’t really as impressive as, say, Esposito’s 150 points in 1971 or Bernie Geoffrion’s 50 in 1960.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can normalize scoring across eras pretty easily using several different methods.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has it been published anywhere?

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hockey-reference has a nice little stat—adjusted goals. It’s not perfect, but I think it gives us a general sense of things.

The way to go is probably normalizing goalie sv% and then only counting ES markers (in terms of rate). I’m not sure if that’s been done.

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by red army line on Nov 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked at that, and it still seems really weighted toward the go-go late-80s/early-90s and the 1920s, at the sport’s infancy.

The first guy from the entire decade of the 60s is tied for 51st spot and the first in the 40s is tied for 118th. So that tells me that there still has to be some greater normalizing effect. If you look at OPS+, while it skews a bit toward certain eras but only because some players are so dominant (Ruth in the 20s, Bonds in the 00s, Williams in the 40s).

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Gartner on his skating

“I was always was a good skater. It came naturally to me,” answers Gartner. “My Dad used to send me to power skating school in the summer. All the other kids were going to hockey schools and I was going to power skating school. I didn’t really like it too much because we didn’t handle the pucks very often, but I developed really good technique in skating. I think there certainly was a natural, God-given ability and I also worked very hard at it and when you put both of those things together, you end up with a pretty good asset as a hockey player.”

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Dobberhockey article on Goaltending

Did anybody else read it, then get to the last paragraph on Fleury and say, “WTF?”

The author spends 80% of the article somewhat convincingly arguing that economy of movement tends to lead to better (and perhaps more predictable/consistent goaltending), then he says that MAF needs to throw all that out the window and play a bit more like Tim Thomas in order to get his groove back. Weird.

Personally, I don’t think there’s a “right” way to play goalie. Economy of movement guys like Neuvy may be generally more consistent (and hopefully injury-free), but if their positioning is off one night, they can look God-awful. The two greatest goaltenders I’ve ever seen were Roy and Hasek, and you couldn’t pick two guys with more dissimilar styles.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

A big part of what made the COL-DET rivalry so fun to watch back in the 90s.

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

even if it’s not the 90s anymore, I’m quite excited my tickets for Avs-Wings at the Joe later this month arrived today!

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by RedBirdie on Nov 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call it the “drive for show, but putt for dough” argument, or “Occam’s Razor” (among competing solutions to a problem, the simplest is usually the best), or the “fewer moving parts” argument, but I suspect that the goalie with the less flashy, simpler, fewer moving parts style is likely to have the longer, more effective career (Hasek being the exception that proves the rule).

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agreed with that part of the argument. What I found odd was his suggestion that he advised MAF, whom he consides an “economy of movement” goaltender, to play more like Thomas after 10 paragraphs of describing why Thomas’ style was not conducive to long-term success.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

When facts don’t fit the premise, change the premise. You can’t play like Thomas because he’s a freak, but MAF needs more to get his freak on.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

like Thomas

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by ThePeerless on Nov 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. It was just jarring after such an otherwise well-argued piece.

It was like reading War and Peace only to find out the butler did it.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the article was about MAF trying to be an “economy” goalie and failing, meaning he should go back to a Thomas-style goalie.

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by red army line on Nov 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

MAF needs to throw his brain away so he can play consistent hockey.

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by zephyr on Nov 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does seem like a major head-case. Talented as all hell though.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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and a potential avatar for someone…

http://shawnmullin.wordpress.com/link to Shawn Mullin’s SC blog

by sk84fun_dc on Nov 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

lol, nice pic.

on another note, i wish sbn wouold have links open in new windows by default. it sucks to lose your place in all the comments.

by Ginga on Nov 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve had that problem, too, but now just right click all links just in case then I can open in new window.

by Seminrocks on Nov 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Firefox, if I click a link by clicking it w/ the middle mouse button (mouse wheel), it performs the same as right click/open in new window.

by mch on Nov 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cody’s numbers look about right, especially considering he’ll miss some more games for Super Series and WJCs.

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by EmilyB on Nov 2, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since we were discussing it yesterday, Rookie of the Month to be announced on NHL Live (player of the month, too, but if it isn’t Tim Thomas, whoever decides these things must be drunk). Don’t know if it’s at the beginning of the show. I hope so.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks like player of the month went to Stamkos.

Stamkos, Thomas, Stewart

by mch on Nov 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Should have realized that points trump GAA. I think they got it backwards, and not because Stamkos plays for Tampa.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Canadian Bias!!

Seriously, 28 points are very good numbers.
6-0 with 3 shutouts, .984 Save%, and 0.05 GAA are out of this world.

"I would feed them lefts until I was pretty much tired of doing it." - Alan May, JRR, 10.16.2010

by bagace on Nov 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s 19 points. 9 goals, 10 assists.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad. But even further proves my point.

"I would feed them lefts until I was pretty much tired of doing it." - Alan May, JRR, 10.16.2010

by bagace on Nov 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll see your 19 points and raise you a 0.50 GAA…not 0.05.

by Yoshietree on Nov 2, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you imagine .05? That’s one goal in 20 games. Eek.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh….should have just stuck with “Canadian Bias”

"I would feed them lefts until I was pretty much tired of doing it." - Alan May, JRR, 10.16.2010

by bagace on Nov 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of, who picks the players of the week/month?

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

A wee bit o’ new content for ye.

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by J.P. on Nov 2, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I enjoy lactation most of all.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teds Take today

Ups and Downs
November 2nd, 2010 These write-ups always make me laugh. Good, creative writing. Tough but fair.

Click here to be informed and to smile and laugh out loud.

The “here” link in his post will bring you back here.
www.tedstake.com

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by MR Laughlin18 on Nov 2, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry quote fail… the post from Teds Take ends at laugh out loud.

Should be


Ups and Downs
November 2nd, 2010 These write-ups always make me laugh. Good, creative writing. Tough but fair.
Click here to be informed and to smile and laugh out loud.

Women are angels. And when someone breaks our wings, we simply continue to fly ...on a broomstick. We're flexible like that (:

by MR Laughlin18 on Nov 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats Neuvy! Rookie of the Month.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Woo! Talk about it here.

If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.

by Becca H on Nov 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boris Valabik is on re-entry waivers, which Bob McK says is because the Thrash want him to have a shot at playing elsewhere because they have no room. Caps? Sharks? Bueller?

by Chris Burton on Nov 2, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

At a cap hit of $381,250 (if I’m reading CapGeek right)? I’d take him.

Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.

by SmallZ827 on Nov 2, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has to be an upgrade over Fahey.

"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."

by jordanDC on Nov 2, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Chara, he’s a gigantic Slovakian. He’s only 24 — maybe it just takes a little more time for a player like him to develop.

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knee-jerk is that he’s Juice 2.0. I’m ok with that as a low-risk, medium-upside signing.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m there, too. The cap hit would be so low that the only question for me is, “Does he push either Sloan/Erskine down the depth chart?” and I think the answer is, “Yes.”

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by SmallZ827 on Nov 2, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The BtN stats agree with you. He got really easy competition, but he did alright, which is not something Sloan or Erskine can claim.

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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 2, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also young and huge and cheap. If it works, great. If not, put him on waivers.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really care how players get results, just that they do. Huge is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

I’ll quote someone who I’ve had a few conversations about hockey with; “You can’t teach big, but you can’t unteach suck, either.”

 He’s 24, so he’s still RFA, which is great. Cheap is great (Can’t beat a near-minimum contract on re-entry for cheap) and if he plays better at 5/6/7 than Sloskine, which it looks like he can, then it’s a great pickup for zero asset cost and essentially zero risk. We’re agreed that it’s a good move.

"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box

by Knee high to a duck on Nov 2, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I know the guy who said that.

We’re agreed that the downside risk is so miniscule that it’s worth it. It’s literally a waiver claim and a few hundred K.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is, there are so many other teams that should be going after this guy before the Caps would get the chance.

Why not the Islanders or the Coyotes or the Oilers?

by RCheli on Nov 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Oil are a real possibility and I don’t know enough about the Yotes, but the Isles have a bajillion D in that class.

"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box

by Knee high to a duck on Nov 2, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t have a roster spot for him, at least at the moment. Not unless Tom Poti is moved to IR retroactively. He’s a few days away, but I doubt more than a week from being back. Marcus Johansson is close to returning and probably won’t go to IR. And when either or both come back, someone will have to go to the minors, and it’ll probably be Valabik.

Often enough, if you put a guy like him on waivers, he probably won’t clear due to the 300k cap hit. But if he does, then it sucks for him to get buried in the minors in Hershey as opposed to buried in the minors in Chicago.

Besides, there are plenty of teams before us who would be more likely to put a claim in. Vancouver’s defensive depth has been decimated by injuries (Ballard, Hamhuis, Alberts, Salo, and Parent are all injured). The Devils are playing an AHL defense with a top pairing of Andy Greene and Henrik Tallinder (and they barely have any cap space, so Valabik might fit). The Islanders just lost Juice 1.0 for 2-4 weeks, along with Andrew McDonald, so Valabik might be a good fit there.

I don’t see him falling to us.

by Wheeler on Nov 2, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether we can get him is unrelated to whether we should want him. The question as I understood it was: would the Caps be interested, and my answer was: Yes.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And my first point was “he’d be around here for a week and then get shipped back to the minors.” GMGM isn’t going to try to carry any more defensemen on the NHL roster, and, frankly, we can’t carry eight defensemen on the NHL roster until we move a forward out. And there’s no way that GMGM would do something like take a player on re-entry waivers, only to ship him back to the minors and have him clear re-entry waivers again when there was an injury later in the season.

Would I, as a fan, prefer him to John Erskine or Tyler Sloan? Sure. But I would have preferred Ryan Parent or Shane O’Brien, both of whom cleared waivers at the beginning of the season, to John Erskine or Tyler Sloan. I would rather have Tyler Sloan as a D-man in Hershey than here in Washington.

by Wheeler on Nov 2, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Unless GMGM is ready to give Sloan the boot then he’s not going to pick up more guys. Does anyone really think that the beginning of this season has been enough to change GMGM’s opinion of Sloan? I don’t. I think the bottom line is that the organization values Sloan much more than the fans do, and they think he’s a legitimate NHL player. Oh well.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I don’t think either Parent or O’Brien ever went on or cleared waivers. I think that was all rumor BS, since they’re both with the clubs who acquired them.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 3, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tonight’s Knicks game at MSG has been cancelled due to asbestos falling from the ceiling.

Wonder how this affects the Rangers? The Caps play there next Tuesday.

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Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Yikes! And they say the Islanders’ Coliseum is falling apart.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 2, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

@alanhahn (of Newsday)

Garden undergoing massive renovation. During cleaning of attic above ceiling, asbestos-related debris fell into the arena. Issue NOT floor.
Since it’s asbestos-related, very possible Garden may not be available in time for Friday’s game against the Wizards. No announcement yet.
This is the seventh time in franchise history a home game had to be canceled. Most weather-related. Last non-weather: Great Blackout of ’65.

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Box Seats Blog
Ron and Fez 11 to 3

by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone check out Crosby’s bread commercial?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Puck-Headlines-Sidney-s-bread-commercial-Blue-?urn=nhl-281937

Hilarious how cheesy it is, especially at the end.

by jaytown99 on Nov 2, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh…my.

There's always more to learn about Hockey.

by WordsOnIce on Nov 2, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I love Knuble
Whether [the line change ] is short term or long term, I’ve got my own problems to work through. You don’t deserve to be on the first line when you’ve got your own problems to work through.

The CI Knuble piece is just great. Without delving into the whole Laich “put-up or shut-up” debate, whenever I read Knuble’s insights I am impressed. The guy is just so freakin’ smart about it all. He understands quickly how to adapt his game now that he is on the second line, especially since he and Laich do much the same thing. It’s just that Knuble does his job so very well. He’s creating his chances and the puck should start bouncing his way. Maybe being on the second line will help Laich.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

That piece impressed me, too – mostly because as you say, Knuble is so wise about it all. He just knows what he’s talking about, really hope he gets it going.

…but I also partly enjoyed it because I felt somewhat validated by what he said :P my issue w/ Laich and Knuble on the same line has always been that they seem to get confused, both of them go to the front of the net and it’s almost like a slapstick comedy. And then they’re relying on one guy to get the puck there, which isn’t a great plan if that one guy is Flash.

If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.

by Becca H on Nov 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes—the making sure he doesn’t bump into Laich while near the the crease part. I appreciated how quickly he realized that he had to choose when to drive the net when on the same line as Laich but he doesn’t whine about it. He just adjusts his game and says he’ll keep trying to create his chances to score to earn his spot back on the top. He’s such a grownup about it all. I hope a lot of the players are listening to him.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

"No way. I have a different objective. To win."

by capsyoungguns on Nov 2, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knuble — the Han Solo of the Caps

Rocking the Red since 1975

by CapsFan75 on Nov 2, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deep thoughts.

Vaughan Cunningham: You always seem to be deep in thought. Tell me, what are you thinking right now?
Karl: I was thinkin’, I’m gonna take me some of these taters home with me.
Vaughan Cunningham: How about before that?
Karl: Well, let me think… I was thinkin’ I could use me another couple cans’o that potted meat if ya got any extree.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 2, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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