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By at least one goofy metric, John Carlson has been one of the League’s top defensive defenseman to date this season

Duncan Keith = 26
John Erskine = 30

John Erskine > Duncan Keith

QED

Give that man a RAISE!

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by ThePeerless on Nov 19, 2010 6:55 AM EST reply actions  

In fairness, it’s just a defensive measure and Keith has been atrocious at times defensively this year (“Keith’s defensive miscues prompted Joel Quenneville to bench his Norris Trophy winner the last 3:53 of the second period.”).

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by J.P. on Nov 19, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s the problem with just about any “snapshot” statistical measure. It doesn’t reveal anything about trends and little about a body of work. “Today” Keith is not an especially productive defenseman. But there aren’t five defensemen in the league I’d rather have.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 19, 2010 7:13 AM EST up reply actions  

No doubt.

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by J.P. on Nov 19, 2010 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

And that decision by Quenneville is just about the hardest one to make, the trade off between “sending a message” (Duncan needs to play better) and letting a guy play through his low spots. It’s assessing whether the player is making technical mistakes (in which case the team might be better served by having him play through it) or mentally not quite all there (in which case the coach needs to wake him up with a “message”). It’s worth noting that Keith hasn’t had a “minus” in any of the three games since his benching and has had only two giveaways (he had 28 in his first 18 games). Guess Keith needed the “message.”

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by ThePeerless on Nov 19, 2010 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If all Quennville did was bench him for the last 4 minutes of a period, he missed one or two shifts… send a message, and then get him back out there…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 19, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

he also got healthy scratched recently.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 19, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t see that… that’s just stupid.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 19, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

keith was also removed from the power play for a time (if he’s not still off the unit).

by Natty Bumppo on Nov 19, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

When I first read about John Carlson being one of the “top defensive defenseman to date this season”, my first thought was that he’s already attached — or at least that’s what his mother said at Caps Con. John’s not in the dating market.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 19, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, that stat is really goofy. It treats goals allowed, blocked shots, and giveaway/takeaways as equally important events.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. It would be more consistent to use Fenwick instead of +/-.

by Ginga on Nov 19, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

With the callup of Kashirsky to Hershey, the Hershey Bears now have more Russians on their active roster than the Caps do. Bears have 3 Russians, counting Varly. The Russians have 2.

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 19, 2010 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

Makes sense… Russians… Bears.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 19, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

That Flyers/Lightning game was a pistol. I flipped it on midway through the second and it was 6-5, which soon became 7-6.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 19, 2010 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

finished 8-7 TB with some good chances by the Flyers to tie it up at the end

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

by Elliotte on Nov 19, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

“He’s a young kid. He’s in shape. I’m not real concerned about it.”

Lavs on Bobs’ workload to date

"I don't care about winning the division or winning the President's Trophy. I just care about getting to the playoffs." --GMGM

by bigonetimer on Nov 19, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Read over on BSH that in the post-game presser the media asked Lav whether Bob might need, just perhaps, a game off, and Lav replied, “He had a day off yesterday [off day]”.

I’m real interested to see how the Flyers respond tomorrow, btw. Could go either way, imo.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 19, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

how the Flyers respond tomorrow

I’d lay a stack on seeing Bob tomorrow.

I’m more concerned they’re getting us traveling at the end of a back to back.

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by bigonetimer on Nov 19, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s a couple of the major variables, for sure. I agree we’ll see Bob start. Does he rebound? The two games before last night he let in a real soft goal in each. Then last night he was not good. Were the two softies the cracks in the dam, and last night the bursting of the floodgates?

And will the Caps put for the type of effort to exploit him, if that’s the case? They have not been good in B2B situations in recent years, imo. On the other hand, they’ve gotten up for the better opponents.

Also of interest, the Flyers had a recent stretch where everything they did was golden. Now they’ve lost two in a row in regulation. Are they cooling off or just plain cold now, or was that their little blip and they now get back to playing good hockey?

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m more concerned they’re getting us traveling at the end of a back to back.

They got Tampa on the second of back-to-backs, as well…

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by Becca H on Nov 19, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

(Unverified) Stat from Twitter just now:

@KatsHockey #Flyers 6L’s: 4 were at home featuring rested Philly vs tired opponents on their 2nd game on B2B nights. A 5th loss was as the tired team

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by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

A 5th loss was as the tired team

To us (and they held their own).
Assuming Bobs is in the pipes, we get a chance to stay in his head as a team he hasn’t beaten. Should be a donnybrook…I wonder if King gets a sweater?

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by bigonetimer on Nov 19, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m just hoping they try to play “Score-O” with the Caps… any team that tries that is asking for trouble (Chicago and Vancouver excepted…)

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 19, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

“It was like we were back in the 80s, everyone was rocking the moustaches on the ice, the goals were coming left, right and center. It was a flashback…”

— Steven Stamkos…who was born in 1990.

Martin St. Louis finished the night with five assists…and was minus-1

Philadelphia blew a two-goal lead… three times.

Five times in the game two goals were scored less than a minute apart.

Both starting goalies were gone by the first intermission (small wonder, the score was 5-4).

15 of 18 Flyer skaters had at least one point.

Stamkos had three shots on goal for the game… he scored on all of them.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 19, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

So glad I drafted him in Fantasy.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 19, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

"Just the fact that I knew something was bad, I knew it was probably broken, I knew I'd have to miss some time--that makes me upset more than anything."

by QuintinLainged on Nov 19, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

On the XM feed, the color guy said it wasn’t a very good hockey game, but a pretty good All-Star game.

"I would feed them lefts until I was pretty much tired of doing it." - Alan May, JRR, 10.16.2010

by bagace on Nov 19, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

"It was like we were back in the 80s, everyone was rocking the moustaches on the ice, the goals were coming left, right and center. It was a flashback…"

— Steven Stamkos…who was born in 1990.

Like NBA players and MJ, the new generation of NHL players have no recollection of Gretzky when he was playing. Certainly not in his heyday (w/ the Blues, that it). Clearly they know who he is and what he means to the game, but never got to see him do his thing. Kinda sad, if for no other reason than it makes me feel old(er).

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 19, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Peerless,

Stamkos’ hot start got me to thinking of your “It’s an Ovi-ful” life posts. The one where the Caps don’t win the Ovi lottery and end up with Cam Barker that year; end up with Erik Johnson (now of the Blues) instead of Nicky B, and end up with Stamkos as their 2008 1st rounder. And Joel Quenniville just prior to the 2009-2010 season.

(Personally, I still live Ovi better than Stamkos.)

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by CapsFan75 on Nov 19, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Boudreau said after practice Thursday that Holtby will start one of the team’s next two games

I’m bettin’ on Holtby tonight.

by Brainumbc on Nov 19, 2010 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

Flyer-killer!

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by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but if you play Neuvirth on Saturday, he gets one more day of rest and he plays against the better team. Atlanta’s offense is dangerous, but I don’t think it’s nearly as dangerous as Philly’s.

by Wheeler on Nov 19, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

My thinking is that Neuvirth is here all year and Holtby’s going back to Hershey. Give Neuvirth the game against the team he hasn’t seen yet.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 19, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

thats what i’m thinkin. Neuvy’s seen a lot of good offense this year but he hasn’t had to deal with Philly yet. And with the way they’ve been playing, Holtby is likely to decapitate someone with an orange jersey.

by Brainumbc on Nov 19, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yikes! But that, too.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Nov 19, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

What I couldn’t give to see Holtby just wack Briere in the face with his goalie stick

by Brainumbc on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I’d rather that, actually.

by DrinkingPartner on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys ever remember like 10 years ago they made a Mortal Kombat style game but with the Wutang clan.

They need a fighting game but with NHL players.

by Brainumbc on Nov 19, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

but does it have YOU WIN! FATALITY!

by Brainumbc on Nov 19, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Strangely enough they are playing in Falls church in a few weeks.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Nov 19, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I just ran a bunch of stats comparing last season to this season

 and then right as I was about to hit POST… and i hit backspace or something and it sent my browser back to the last page and wiped everything out

lovely

But I was about to make an observation that this year so far there’s about 1.1 more PIM per game than last season.

by Brainumbc on Nov 19, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

For the Caps, or league-wide?

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 19, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

league wide

From memory I think I had something like

last year: G/G: 2.84, this year: 2.85
last year sv5: 9.11, this year 9.10

There were about 3.71 power play opportunities last season per team per game compared to 3.99 this year so far.

Shots per game is almost exactly the same.

i’m just noticin that this year there seems to be some REALLY potent offense but at the same time some really sick save percentages by top skaters and goalies, yet at the same time, the stats don’t seem much different.

You’d think that the offense seems to be going back to the old days judging by the high scoring, but 2 years ago the avg goals per game was 2.91.

Seems like the best players’ stats are getting better but the league averages aren’t budging much. Almost makes you think that maybe teams are relying more and more on a smaller group of players for all the talent.

by Brainumbc on Nov 19, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

So far this year teams are averaging a combined (w/o shootouts) 5.65 goals/game. Last season, for the entire year, that number was 5.53 goals/game.

A 2.1 percent increase.

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by ThePeerless on Nov 19, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

so virtually the same

I have a theory that less # of players are shouldering more of the work.

I smell some research for an upcoming post on this hypothesis. Maybe I’ll bust out a graph to show the # of 20,30,40,50+ goal scorers over the past 15-20 seasons. Although I might have to normalize that data, based upon all seasons having the same number of goals per game. Might be tough but I’ll try.

It would be even more difficult to do something like this for goalies since it’s tougher to normalize their stats

by Brainumbc on Nov 19, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

RMNB sez:

The twelve minutes a night he is playing, as soft as they may be,

Where is this 12 soft minutes thing coming from? I saw it in yesterday’s clips thread as well. Here’s Johansson’s time on ice:

NOV 17 ’10 BUF @ WSH 15:04
NOV 14 ’10 ATL @ WSH 13:19
NOV 13 ’10 WSH @ BUF 14:25
OCT 21 ’10 WSH @ BOS 13:36
OCT 19 ’10 BOS @ WSH 11:30
OCT 16 ’10 WSH @ NSH 10:19
OCT 11 ’10 OTT @ WSH 8:05
OCT 09 ’10 NJD @ WSH 14:55
OCT 08 ’10 WSH @ ATL 13:06

He’s been above 13 minutes six times and below it three times. The actual average is 12:59. It may seem weird to quibble over one minute, but I do think there’s a big difference — especially with the upward trend.

Kid played his career high TOI in the last game — tough minutes with the top line (and he wasn’t on the ice for any goals for or against). In October, before the injury, he was averaging about a minute of time on the penalty kill (and without any goals against). Now that he’s back, they seem to be working on other aspects of his game, and with the PK playing so well it makes sense that he’s not on it right now.

I just don’t get where this idea that Johansson is getting “12 soft minutes” every game is coming from. His minutes have looked plenty tough to me. We should judge him based on what’s actually happening (and my judgment is that he’s been on the ice for damned few GFs and GAs, so it looks like his defense is pretty good and his offense needs work)

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions   4 recs

Oh, and by the way, who on the team is more likely to give the kid some good advice and mentoring than Ovechkin and Knuble? I love this move for right now, mid-November, because I think it’s going to pay dividends far into the future. If there’s something wrong with his game, Ovi and Knuble will spot it and work with him on it.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Are Ovie and Knuble going to go back to last offseason and get him to do more core-strengthening exercises, squats and pushups? Are they going to bend time and space to make a North American rink 100ft wide?

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Clearly, Ovechkin has nothing to teach Johansson about transitioning to playing in North America.

"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."

by The Ghost of Bebop on Nov 19, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I’d argue that he probably doesn’t. One of the oldest cliches in sports is that great players make terrible coaches because they do things on talent and instinct, whereas most of us mere mortals get by on effort and thinking.

Beyond that, the width of the rink is experienced very differently by a winger who grew up playing in Russia versus a center who grew up playing in Sweden. If Johansson’s going to learn from someone, it’s going to be Backstrom, or maybe even Hendricks, who played on an Olympic sheet in St. Cloud.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

And both those guys are on the NHL team, if I’m not mistaken.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 19, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The point was that skating on the top line is almost wholly unrelated to his “learning” North America.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t disagree, I was more throwing a reference to yesterday. If the guys he is most likely to learn from are in the NHL, then maybe he should keep practicing with them.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 19, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would they go back in time to ask a promising rookie who’s doing pretty darned well to do anything differently?

I don’t think you gave enough attention to “I love this move for right now, mid-November.” This is a great learning experience. I think this move right now will make Marcus Johansson a better hockey player once he’s fully mature. I didn’t say anything at all about when I think he will be “fully mature,” or where I think he ought to be playing come April, or what his role should be then

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Why would they go back in time to ask a promising rookie who’s doing pretty darned well to do anything differently?

Because the promising rookie makes Tomas Fleischmann look strong on the puck.

don’t think you gave enough attention to "I love this move for right now, mid-November."

Fair enough. From your opening statement, I took your overall premise to be that he’s not skating 12 soft minutes, but rather 13 hard ones and that he’s doing great at it. I’d argue that his play has been very uneven and that he is actually skating some pretty soft minutes.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m saying he’s playing 13 minutes, they ain’t soft or hard — they’re respectable minutes, and he’s doing better than anyone should really have expected

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I wish he had more points to show for it.

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by jordanDC on Nov 19, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

he’s doing better than anyone should really have expected

One goal.
Zero assists.
Minus three.
Under forty percent on faceoffs.
Fourteen shots on goal.
Third-worst Corsi Rel on the team.

Yeah, he’s doing a bang-up job.

I love the kid’s upside as much as anyone, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore the fact that he hasn’t played like someone who was “ahead of where Nick was at this point.” Perhaps the preseason inflated my expectations, but I was hoping the kid would have at least 3-4 assists by this point given the speed he’s displayed.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

he hasn’t played like someone who was "ahead of where Nick was at this point."

quite honestly, I couldn’t believe the Caps (was it Bruce or GMGM who said that?) put that sort of expectation on the kid. There was no way he could live up to it.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 19, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Mackan improved his faceoff percentage in that Sabres game. He won ten out of the fifteen.

I’ve been reading this ongoing debate with interest but I have to say you do seem very hard on a kid who has so few NHL games under his belt and who was thrust onto the top line just after returning to the ice after an injury and who hasn’t had many major gaffes.

It’s seems almost as if you’ve already given up on the season and potential success of the postseason, and that the reason you’re are so hard on Mackan is because he represents your frustration with management for choosing Mackan rather than just bite the bullet and pay/trade for an experienced top 2nd line center.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

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by capsyoungguns on Nov 19, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Mackan improved his faceoff percentage in that Sabres game. He won ten out of the fifteen.

Huzzah. He’s second-toughest in the infants. Outside of Gaustad, the Sabres collectively suck ass at faceoffs. Everyone but Gaustad is well under 50%. Mackan never faced Gaustad, but feasted on Roy and McCormick, who’s a center in name only. Good on him for taking advantage of the opportunity, but I don’t think he’s turned some corner.

I have to say you do seem very hard on a kid who has so few NHL games under his belt and who was thrust onto the top line

If you’ve been reading what I’ve been saying pretty consistently, it’s that Mackan really ought to be in the AHL. I’m hard on him because he hasn’t played well and he looks out of his depth in the NHL. Every time he’s on the ice, the team gets badly outshot. True, he hasn’t been on the ice for many goals against, but most of his games came when Neuvy was on his stretch of hot play. I don’t think I’m going out on a limb to suggest that this GAON/60 is going to increase in a hurry with increased playing time.

Yes, he’s a kid, and yes, we need to be patient. I’m perfectly happy to be patient, but that doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to point out that he hasn’t been very good thus far and that, at some point, demoting him to the AHL so he can develop at a more appropriate pace is probably the right move.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t say Mackan had turned a corner in face-offs, only that he did okay in that game.

I actually have been reading what you are saying and yes I know that you are arguing that Mackan belongs in Hershey whereas others have argued that he can gain his experience here. I am not wedded to either side in this debate and I have found merit in many of your points.

However I don’t think Mackan is being harmed developmentally by remaining on the Caps. To me he is a rough diamond that has good defensive instincts and speed and I am not sure that MP would necessarily be an upgrade. Just a different set of skills. Roster moves between Hershey and the Caps feels like treading water, not improving the team.

I am not however arguing that Mackan is the 2nd center solution for this team, most certainly not for this season. And that seems to be the other thread in this debate. How can we go into the postseason without a solid second line center? But that is IMO a separate issue from Mackan’s current performance on this team.

Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?

"I'm not going to tell!"

Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

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by capsyoungguns on Nov 19, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s seems almost as if you’ve already given up on the season and potential success of the postseason, and that the reason you’re are so hard on Mackan is because he represents your frustration with management for choosing Mackan rather than just bite the bullet and pay/trade for an experienced top 2nd line center.

I actually thought about what you’ve said, because there may be some truth to it, but the more I think about it, I still disagree. I am frustrated with this season, because the Caps are largely the same team they were last year, just with a few new faces. They’ll have a great PP, a crap PK, and outscore their opponents 5v5 despite giving up tons of chances because they’re just more talented than every other team in the league. I’ve seen this movie before. It ends badly.

My issue with Mackan is separate though. My frustration isn’t with Mackan, it’s more with folks trying to paint his performance thus far as something other than it is (mediocre) and suggesting that my expectations are too high. I’m not really clear on why that is. I wanted the kid to go to Hershey before the season and said so often, because he’s only 20 and doesn’t look quite ready for the NHL. He’s now played a handful of games and my opinion hasn’t changed too much. He’s a kid with great wheels and lots of tools, but he’s not ready to put them all together at this level.

I suppose I’m frustrated because I think my expectations are quite realistic – the kid ought to be in Hershey – and yet everyone is lambasting me when I point out the deficiencies in his play thus far and claiming my expectations are too high. . . and then using that as a grounds to argue that he needs to stay in the NHL this year. From my perspective, it’s those folks that have overly high expectations.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What you just expressed makes a lot of sense, but it’s not his fault he’s playing where he is. When you talk of “glaring deficiencies” and “neutering” his line, it really sounds like you’re upset at Johansson himself — as though he should be something other than the kind of player he is right now.

It really seems like your problem is with a front office and coaching staff that let things get to the point where center depth is so bad, they’re really counting on 90 to play big minutes on the scoring lines. And there I strongly agree. I don’t have a problem with giving Johansson some time in the NHL in November as part of his development. But I don’t see any way right now for him to be replaced by a more mature player when the games are more important. And that really frightens me, because he’s not yet fully baked.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But I don’t see any way right now for him to be replaced by a more mature player when the games are more important. And that really frightens me, because he’s not yet fully baked.

This right here pretty much sums up a lot of my angst. Maybe this is what Capsyoungguns was referring to.

And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.

by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Give it a month or two. Teams will fall out of contention and start trading away players, or at least being more receptive towards trade offers. There are an awful lot of good centers out there who will become free agents either in July 2011 or July 2012 who would fit nicely on the Caps.

by Wheeler on Nov 19, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s what worries me:

Are any of those guys distinctly better than 08-09 Fedorov?

If they’re not, then it may not matter.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

A little—in that I don’t think any of our center options are great options for that second line.

IMO McPhee rolled the dice by rushing Mackan because he had the greatest upside of the in-house centers. Given the Belanger debacle we know at least that McPhee is on the hunt for centers. But the whole trade market seems to be very hush hush until it happens so I hope that McPhee is exploring viable trade options and that he finds a willing partner early enough that the player has time to adapt to BB’s systems. Maybe as a Christmas present.

But how well Mackan has performed thus far is a separate issue for me. I honestly want to rewatch some of the games I’ve saved because I haven’t seen the horribleness you have described in Mackan’s game. Perhaps he’s been shielded. Perhaps his mistakes are too subtle for me to spot.

But I definitely would feel the same the same angst I feel now about this team whether Mackan or one of our other Hershey centers were playing right now.

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by capsyoungguns on Nov 19, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote that only because you have come across as harsh and angry about the performance of a newbie. You have made good points but you seem to give Mackan very little credit for what he has done well and find fault in just about everything in his game except for his skating.

So I wondered simply if he represented for you the larger frustration so many have at the idea that the Caps may have to rely on Mackan or Flash to center that second line. That had McPhee sent Mackan to Hershey he may have been forced to find a more experienced center.

I am not lambasting you at all for criticizing him. I am suggesting that you are perhaps overly harsh in your criticisms, more than what he deserves.

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by capsyoungguns on Nov 19, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

RMNB’s point re: “soft” minutes is based on Johansson’s low qualcomp. What they miss, though, is that Washington’s qualcomp ratings are essentially upside down. The best forwards are at the bottom, and the 4th line is at the top of the Caps qualcomp rankings. I suspect this has to do with other teams matching up defensive specialists against the Caps’ top two lines. Johansson having a low qualcomp score puts him in the same basket as 19, 8, 28, and 22. It doesn’t necessarily mean he’s facing soft competition.

by Ginga on Nov 19, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

…or at least as well as anyone expected. Clearly, the Caps have wide room to be patient with the very talented rookie.

by mechanicsville on Nov 19, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

He also scored his lone goal/point in the game with the third lowest ice time (v. BOS on 10/19) and got rewarded with more time the next game (which is where he got hurt.)

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by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Also our PK was perfect up ‘til the @BOS game, when MJ90 tweaked that hip flexor. Don’t remember if he was on the PK that night.

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by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

And he was part of that perfect PK

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It may seem weird to quibble over one minute, but I do think there’s a big difference — especially with the upward trend.

Remove last night’s game and his average is closer to 12:40; remove the last few and it drops closer to 12:00. Upward trend? He skated 10 seconds fewer in his second game as he did last night. I wouldn’t say it’s an upward trend, so much as a valley, or a parabola.

Kid played his career high TOI in the last game — tough minutes with the top line (and he wasn’t on the ice for any goals for or against).

His TOI in the last game wasn’t “soft,” but nor was it “hard” and, when the going got rough (3rd period) he was stapled to the bench. He may not have been on the ice for a goal against, but his line was out there for one of the worst shifts all night – the one that led to Green’s penalty and the subsequent PP goal.

We should judge him based on what’s actually happening

The kid’s got one of the worst Corsi ratings on the team, only Jay Beagle and DJ King are worse. I know you’ve got your issues with Corsi, but I think that when it jives pretty well with what your eyes tell you, namely that the kid has a hard time gaining puck possession (faceoffs, board work), and a hard time maintaining it (pushed off the puck by strong breezes), then it has a great deal of validity.

I’m hopeful that Johansson will adjust to the North American game and start to exploit his speed a little more. I’d like to see the player we saw in preseason and ever so briefly in Boston. I’ll even agree with JP and F&B that he should get more time up here to prove himself because the upside is there. That being said, I’m not going to look back at his NHL body of work thus far and praise it, or not acknowledge that, despite being somewhat shielded, he has generally been dominated by his opponents.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not supporting or condoning the rest of the nitpicky arguments you and D’oh are making about playing time or the spectrum of hard to soft playing time….but I wholeheartedly agree with your last two paragraphs.

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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 19, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Oooh, we get to ignore data points we don’t like?

Fine. Take out both of them. I’m not wedded to 12 or 13 minutes. I just think that quibbling over a minute is silly and that it’s not an upward trend. He clearly dipped in the middle, and he’ll dip again when he gets put back on the third line.

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Why don’t we ask “30-goal scorer Chris Clark?” Or maybe “#1 center Dainius Zubrus?” Now, maybe playing with Ovie this year is hard, because he’s been uncharacteristically bad, but over the course of his playing career, playing with Ovie has been an easy path to inflated point totals. One thing I will say in his defense is that the longer shifts taken by Ovie seemed to wear Johansson down. Johansson looked like he could keep up for :30, whereas the shifts were :50-1:00. So maybe in that respect I agree that skating with him is “hard.”

Then I don’t think you’re giving the kid enough credit. Your expectations are out of line. You should not be expecting an NHL-ready, front line center.

No, no and no. I’m giving him exactly the credit he’s due. His play thus far has been uneven, trending toward mediocre. His speed has allowed him to get to some pucks that nobody else on the team save Chimera could get to. Unfortunately, he’s so weak on the puck that once he gets there, it’s quickly taken away from him. His faceoffs have been atrocious. His positioning in the offensive zone has been poor, leading to weak forechecking efforts from his line. This is why his line has been consistently out-chanced and out-shot, and why they spend so much more of their time in the defensive zone than the offensive zone. His positioning defensively is pretty good, but he lacks the strength to take the puck from opponents. He looked better at this in preseason, so I’m not sure if it’s a total deficiency on his part.

If you think I expect him to be a front line center or play like one, then you haven’t been paying attention to much of what I’ve been saying for the last 4-5 months. I expect the kid to have growing pains as a rookie and, if all goes well, be a decent 3rd-line center by the end of the season, with 2nd-line center upside for next year. Which sounds as though it’s pretty much in line with what you expect.

Expectations aside, I’m not going to put on rose-colored glasses and ignore the glaring deficiencies in his game. I think the mental stuff will come with game experience. He’ll quit floating in the offensive zone and trying to make lateral moves with the puck at the blueline and he’ll just start dumping the puck in and letting guys like Chimera go and get it. His faceoffs should also improve. Once he does that, I think he’ll be a much better player, one capable of playing 14 tough minutes a night alongside Chimera and Fehr, while chipping in some offense. With that being said, his physical weakness is NOT something that will get better this season, in fact it’s likely to get worse as the wear and tear of an 82-game season tires him out.

He’s not making rookie gaffes that end up behind Neuvirth or Holtby.

No, he’s not. But he is making many subtle mistakes that neuter his line’s ability to forecheck and cause his line to consistently play in their own end, as evidenced by his Corsi stats.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The phrases "uneven, trending toward mediocre" "weak" "atrocious" "poor" "glaring deficiencies" and “neuter” are a bit over the top, no? I can’t understand where your annoyance with the kid is coming from. He’s pretty much everything he was advertised to be, the good and the bad. His wheels are more than NHL quality. I don’t see the playmaking instincts there – at least I haven’t yet – which is consistent with his low-offense SEL numbers.

But he has demonstrated a real skill in preventing goals. He’s been on the ice for 5 goals against in 114 minutes of gametime. You can’t fake that, and it’s certainly better than I expected. Any bad defensive player would have been on the ice for more goals against, pretty much no matter who he was playing with. It’s like Schultzie’s +/- last year. It doesn’t prove that Schultz is one of the best players in the league, but it sure as hell proves that he ain’t a bad player. And what the solid defensive awareness means for Johansson you can afford to throw him out there during real games to work on everything else. That skill alone gives him a role in the NHL — having a guy you can throw out there for a shift in the playoffs to give your big guns a rest, with the confidence that you probably won’t get scored against, is pretty valuable.

There’s definitely a lot to work on. But with the exception of the offense, everything you hammer him for is the kind of thing that young players always come into the league needing to improve – especially the physical capabilities and the faceoffs. What you’re saying seems to boil down to being upset that he’s still 19 and hasn’t figured it all out yet. I think RMNB has it right:

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You can absolutely fake it for that small sample. I’ll look up his sv%-on when I get home, but those number could just as well be Neuvy bailing him out as anything else.

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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 19, 2010 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’ll look up his sv%-on when I get home

You should still do it, but I guarantee you it’s going to be really, really high, since most of his playing time happened when Neuvy was hot.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s .943 at ES, good for third on the team behind Brooks and Flash. That’s coming down, in all probability.

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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 19, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Luckily, so will his ~4 on-ice shooting%.

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by red army line on Nov 19, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The phrases “uneven, trending toward mediocre” “weak” “atrocious” “poor” “glaring deficiencies” and "neuter" are a bit over the top, no?

The kid is weak. If watching Buffalo’s smurf brigade push him off pucks doesn’t convince you of that, I don’t know what will. His play has been uneven and trending toward mediocre – he’s had one great period followed by lots of non-descript play. He still doesn’t quite know where to be in the O-zone and he’s not very good at using his linemates. His faceoffs ARE atrocious, and his inability to gain or maintain possession IS a glaring deficiency. The total lack of scoring when he’s on the ice (and the massive improvement shown by his linemates once centered by either Gordon or Steckel) does seem to suggest that he’s neutering his linemates.

He’s pretty much everything he was advertised to be

No, not quite. The kid wasn’t the captain of his world junior team solely because of his defensive abilities. He’s got offensive skill and he flashed it on occasion in the preseason. He just hasn’t shown it with any consistency during the regular season yet.

But he has demonstrated a real skill in preventing goals.

No, he hasn’t. As KHTAD points out, he’s demonstrated an ability to give up tons of shots against and not get scored on. If you want to bet me that that’s going to continue, I’ll wager a six pack of whatever beer you like. Still, I’ll agree with you that in general, his defensive play is light years ahead of his offensive play, and it’s arguably better than Flash’s at this point and clearly better than MPs. His backchecking is solid, as is his defensive positioning. When he gets the puck on his stick, he can move it up ice with alacrity. His main weakness is just getting the puck on his stick in the first place.

And what the solid defensive awareness means for Johansson you can afford to throw him out there during real games to work on everything else…having a guy you can throw out there for a shift in the playoffs to give your big guns a rest, with the confidence that you probably won’t get scored against, is pretty valuable.

If this were true, then why has BB benched him in the 3rd period of close games? I’m not saying it means the kid is terrible, it just means that BB trusts Gordo/Hendricks/Steckel more and right now, I agree with BB. For a kid whose primary near-term contribution is defensive, that’s not a good thing.

There’s definitely a lot to work on.

Finally, we agree on something. :) You’re right – young players frequently lack the traits that I’m hammering Mackan about – rare is the player like Patrice Bergeron or Ryan O’Reilly who bursts forth, fully-formed into the league. On the other hand, when those same young players are rushed into the league, such as Stamkos, Duchene, or Seguin, it’s frequently done with the purpose of getting their offensive skill in the lineup, or in some cases because it’s believed that the player has nothing more to learn in junior hockey, but because of the “NHL or juniors” rule for players under 21, they can’t be sent to the AHL. Mackan doesn’t really fit in either of those groups. His offensive output is negligible, and he’s clearly got much to learn about the north American game. I think he’s better off learning that down in Hershey. Is it imperative that he be sent down right away? No, not really. We can wait a couple weeks to see how he returns from injury. On the other hand, let’s not fool ourselves to believe that we’ve got all the time in the world – the season is already 1/4 over.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How much would Mackan’s Corsi be lowered by the fact that, while he was centering Chimera and Fehr, Fehr was playing terribly and Chimera was whiffing on perfect passes? Mackan hasn’t been perfect, but he’s been far better than what you’re saying.

I don’t know where you get a lot of this criticism from. I’ve seen Mackan beat defenders to a numbers of pucks and then hold onto it using moves that are almost the same as Backstrom’s. He has made quite a few great setups that weren’t finished (largely by Chimera, Knuble, and Laich) and his play has been noticably better in the last couple games. He does need to improve, but he’s already shown that he can be the 3C right now – and he’s a decent option for 2C, although I don’t think he’s quite ready for that.

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by timmyv38 on Nov 19, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

but he’s already shown that he can be the 3C right now

Maybe until March, but I’m in agreement with D’ohboy to the extent that Mackan’s corsi numbers and zone start numbers are among the worst on the team and are worse than any C not named Perreault. Moreover, his point totals speak for themselves. He’s fun to watch sometimes but I don’t think he’s been particularly good.

by Kolzilla on Nov 19, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve seen Mackan beat defenders to a numbers of pucks and then hold onto it using moves that are almost the same as Backstrom’s

Great. I’ve seen him get pushed off the puck by Tyler Ennis. His ability to protect the puck using his body is nowhere near Backstrom’s yet, despite some outward similarities.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Playing with Alex Ovechkin is hard. I don’t care how it looks, it’s hard.

Playing with Alex Ovechkin is usually great for your stats, which is what is meant by easy/hard. Playing hockey at an NHL level is hard, but that’s a vacuous statement in this context.

He’s not making rookie gaffes that end up behind Neuvirth or Holtby.

While technically true, this is misleading. Mackan gets territorially destroyed against not-great competition. He’s hemorrhaging shots against and I’m not buying that he’s a strong influence on save percentage while he’s on the ice. They’re not rookie positioning gaffes, or rather, not obvious ones, but he’s still making mistakes. He’ll learn, he’ll get stronger, but it’s a slow process.

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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 19, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy for your stats isn’t the same thing as easy to play. If you are with AO then you are playing against the other team’s top defenders and you have a substantial defensive burden.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 19, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re talking about hard minutes developmentally (or at least I thought we were). Asking a kid to keep up with Ovi is ahrd.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess would be that the advice and mentoring he gets happens more in practice or on the bench than during game situations and has very little to do with who his linemates are.

I love Marcus, I support the notion of giving him some exposure at this level but he looks like he’s in over his head to me. If he continues to struggle I’d think about sending him back to Hershey sooner rather than later. There is such a thing as rushing someone along too soon.

by Kolzilla on Nov 19, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that the mentoring doesn’t matter who is on his line. I’m sure he talks to Nick about what to do more than anyone else, regardless of line combos.

Rushing players is a concern, but it’s much more a concern with D and G. It’s much less likely that rushing a forward seriously hurts their development just based on the nature of their responsibilities. I’d say that is even more true with a guy that already knows how to play D. I don’t think HER is out of the question for him, but I do think it’s far too soon to start talking about it.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 19, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that Hershey is pretty close to out of the question for 90 simply because there’s no solid replacement coming in return. I’m looking forward to watching the rookie develop right here at the NHL level, knowing full well that the Caps still need to address 2C concerns. Maybe it’s premature, but I’m comfortable in expecting Johannson to effectively man the 3C position this season.

by mechanicsville on Nov 19, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather him split time with Perreault this season and have each of them get 30-45 games of solid NHL experience. I’m not ready to give up on Perreault yet completely, and not allowing him to get any NHL face time would be doing him a disservice development-wise.

by Kolzilla on Nov 19, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want to rile up the MP lobby, but I’d be happy to see him up here for 10-15 games so that Mackan could go down to Hershey and get put in some high-leverage situations and gain some confidence. It doesn’t have to happen right away, but in little while, we’re going to wake up and it’s going to be 2011 – we can’t wait forever.

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by D'ohboy on Nov 19, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if MP hadn’t been so fucking awful against Minnesota he may have gotten a longer look when Mackan was injured. That was a huge open door and to be honest he slammed it in his own face. I’ve obviously supported MP plenty, but I just don’t see how he solves any of your complaints about Mackan. He has better offense, but you’ll really be pulling your hair out over his D if he comes up.

Hypothetically if either MP or Mackan were to spend the rest of the year in the NHL, I think Mackan makes the most advancement in his game this season. Until we make a trade for some help at C, that’s enough of a reason for me to have him here.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 19, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that Hershey is pretty close to out of the question for 90 simply because there’s no solid replacement coming in return.

You’re right, and that’s a damned shame. I think he has some learning he could do at both levels this year, and I hope they can make decisions based on what’s best for him and not for NHL wins and losses this year

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Random stat of the day:

In 22 regular season games last year, John Carlson had 32 blocked shots. He already has 44 in 19 games this year, which leads the team and would be good enough for 9th highest on last year’s squad.

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by Becca H on Nov 19, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Ouch.

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by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Considering Backs had around 45 blocked shots on that infamous shift vs TB alone, JC will always be second.

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by Rather Bengt on Nov 19, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Scary stat. God forbid he hurt himself blocking a shot. Cue Green playing 45 mins a game

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by Bman21212 on Nov 19, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

On the surface this sounds like it could become an issue. However, I assume many of these are shots blocked or redirected using his stick, rather than laying out his body or using his feet etc.

I could be wrong, but I imagine that most blocked shots are of the stick variety but go more unnoticed, as they not not as flashy as their more popular cousin- the body block.

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by Fro_ on Nov 19, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

However, I assume many of these are shots blocked or redirected using his stick

Exactly 100% correctly accurate. The Caps’ D alone has combined for 191 blocked shots this year – about 10 per game – and there’s no way all of those have been blocked by the body. I think it’s a great thing, too, it reflects what we’re seeing on the ice, that the team is getting better at taking away shooting lanes and deflecting pass attempts and the like.

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by Becca H on Nov 19, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

If people ask whether the Caps are better this year than last year, my answer is “hell yes.” Replacing Mo and Juice with Carlson and Alzner alone does that. And Green and Schultz are playing better than they were this time last year. I love this year’s D — I just worry about its depth.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I absolutely worry about the depth, as well. It’s one of the few things I’ll be really pessimistic about at this time of year, because it impacts the D in the long run to be overworking them while relying on the Faheys and Sloans of the world when guys are injured.

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by Becca H on Nov 19, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the guy I miss the most is Pothier, who probably would have signed for peanuts.

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by Gould Old Days on Nov 19, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I agree with that. And I’ll always miss Pothier’s glorious hip check.

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by CapitalCentre on Nov 19, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Gloriously frequent!

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by jordanDC on Nov 19, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If you had told me that the Caps would play the first quarter of the season at a .750 points pct, I’d have shaken my head. If you had told me they’d do it with Sloane (and sometimes Fahey) taking a regular shift, AO looking decidedly off his game, and Varly on the IR for most of it, I’d have thought you were nuts.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 19, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bears are “waiting for advisement” from Washington as to whether to play Semyon Varlamov once or twice this weekend.

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by CaptainAwesome on Nov 19, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

I knew last game was too good to be true

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by i12swim on Nov 19, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

all hope is lost! Rather than torture myself with false hope of a win that won’t come, I think I’ll see if Theo can pull off another win against the Wings tonight.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 19, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be better and much more productive as a 14-26-16 line. Ahem.

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by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

you’re right. maybe common sense will smack Bruce about 2 minutes before the game and he’ll swap Flash and Hendy.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 19, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately it’s down to Flash and King, and as much as we’re all down on Flash it’s not really close between those two.

by Kolzilla on Nov 19, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He can’t swap Flash and hendy because then he’d be admitting that Flash isn’t a center. Although that 14-26-16 line could get a point or two on Atlanta tonight, especially if D-Buf is still out.

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by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

FFS. Well, it was too good to last.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 19, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Gordo hurt again? Or just scratched because they’ve got 2 games in 2 nights?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d bet the reason is the back-to-back… he’s probably still hurting some…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 19, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah…they’ll want him in the lineup against Philly.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It kinda makes sense to let Gordon have a night off… back to back games with travel and coming off a lower body injury (when I saw him Sunday afternoon he was limping visibly). I bet Gordon is in tomorrow vs. a better Philly team.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 19, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Not much on BWA about tonight...

…The Thrash are playing it close to the vest about whether or not Byfuglien will be giving us some good pointers, maybe playing tonight, for obvious reasons.

I do recommend the one minute cartoon they have up on the site about trading Zach Bogosian… funny stuff.

If ATL is interested in trading Bogo, the Caps should be all over that (because 28 other teams will be too….), but I don’t think they’re going to move him.

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Nov 19, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Why would ATL even consider moving him?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Because it’s the same Dale Tallon!

by DrinkingPartner on Nov 19, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Dale Tallon is Florida’s GM. :)

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by RedBirdie on Nov 19, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Aw fuck! Oh well, there goes my credibility.

by DrinkingPartner on Nov 19, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

you’re credibility as “finder of the derps and herps” remains unquestioned, though!

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by RedBirdie on Nov 19, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

But their GM is from the Chicago old front office.

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by Rob Parker on Nov 19, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The only people I know who seem to want to move Bogo are some commentators on the AJC blogs. I guess Bogosian hate is their equivalent of Schultz hate. Seems they think he has plateaued or something.

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by apk3000 on Nov 19, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Dear God…he just turned 20 FOUR MONTHS AGO.

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by YvonLabresMoustache on Nov 19, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Which the rational commentators point out. It’s like CI, except the “Fire Waddell” posts are perfectly legit.

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by apk3000 on Nov 19, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

…except he’s not the GM this year.

by Wheeler on Nov 19, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That and he’s been in the league all of 2 years.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Can’t tell what to make of this Bogo talk, but if the Thrash want to trade him, I’d take him here.

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by fat_daddyo on Nov 19, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Per Katie,

The Capitals ran line rushes briefly this morning and based on those it looked like the top line will be Alex Ovechkin, Nicklas Backstrom and Mike Knuble with Marcus Johansson centering Brooks Laich and Alexander Semin on the second.

Loved the 21-90-28 line last time…can’t wait!

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by Becca H on Nov 19, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Alex got promoted back to the top line, eh?

You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!

by EmilyB on Nov 19, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he got dropped to the 2nd where Nick and Knuble had been staking out a claim.

Sasha Minor FTW!

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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Nov 19, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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