Saturday Caps Clips: Caps @ Sabres Game Day
Your savory Saturday brunch links:
- Previews of tonight's Sabres dance from Vogs (and game notes), NHL.com (Rosen), STATS, Peerless, RLS and KoL, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Die By The Blade for more coverage from the other side of tonight's match up.
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's (very optional) practice. [Caps Insider, bridgetds (pics) @Mastro72 (video of drills w/ Holtby and Neuvy)]
- The hockeysphere is all abuzz over Alexander Semin, the impressive start to his season, and the potentially impressive contract waiting for him at the end of it. But from which team? [Puck'n'Hockey, KoL, RtR, From Russia with Glove]
- Even the Russian hockeysphere is enthralled. [FanPost]
- And here's a market report. Somebody's stock is seriously
[ESPN] - Speaking of Semin, it's All-Star Game balloting time, which means it's also time to make some popcorn and break out your best tin foil haberdashery and conspiracy theories. Who's in, who's out, and various and sundry opinions [NHL.com (announcement and ballot), Caps Insider, Sporting News (Custance), Puck Daddy, Peerless]
- The new Alex Ovechkin DVD drops on November 16. Here's the trailer. [NHL.com]
- Since it's never too soon to start handicapping the Hart, here you go. [The Hockey News]
- Say, have you noticed the Caps tend to start their games slow and ramp it up in the second and third periods? So have lots of folks. [NHL.com (John Kreiser), WaPo (Carrera), TBD.com (Chamberlain)]
- The new-look penalty kill is getting some attention as well. [Press Box Online]
- Marcus Johansson is happy to be back. [Examiner (McNally)]
- Matt Hendricks is happy to be here. [CSN Washington (Masisak)]
- Mike Knuble is happy to find his scoring touch. [The Fourth Period]
- This fan is happy in two sports. [SteinBog]
- AO is happy to help open a new lounge in Dupont Circle while rocking the Team Russia threads. [GearShift.tv]
- On Semyon Varlamov in Hershey. [RMNB]
- Finally, enjoy the wins, folks. Enjoy the wins. [Homer McFanboy]
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I really like what I hear from Semin this season. He’s saying the right things. That’s a big deal on a team whose young guns have been lacking in maturity.
You had me at no problem.
I don’t know what you mean by “saying the right thing”, and I could care less what Semin says as long as he is 2nd or 1st in the league in goals
I think you probably couldn’t care less, actually.
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Nov 13, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sasha All-Star?
Since Semin isn’t on the ballot for the ASG, does that automatically mean that he isn’t going to be an All-Star this year? Total rubbish. Canadian bias/disrespect
Settle down. This is only for six roster spots out of 42.
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Not that I particularly care, but he still might not make it. First off, he might cool off drastically and not really have the numbers.
Second, the math might work against him. Let’s assume the top 6 vote recipients are Sid, AO, Sedin, Keith and Suter/Weber (presuming that the “MG52 sucks at defense” meme holds sway).
That leaves 36 slots, 3 of which will be goalies, so 33 skater slots. Recalling that each team must have at least one player, that leaves 24 teams that have to have a representative. Let’s say the mediocre to bad teams are represented by a G. That leaves 21 teams and 33 slots. So, 12 “at large” slots for guys on teams that are already represented.
He could get screwed
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Screwed out of a meaningless game anyway, though it’s the kind of game everyone would love to see him play in. A game where nobody plays D? He’d have ten points.
But it can’t just be a conglomeration of four teams, too much of the league would bitch. Obviously there are lots of guys on the list that aren’t as good as Semin, but nobody should be shocked by how it played. Patrick Sharp also got kept off because his name doesn’t have the same draw as the other Hawks so it’s not like Semin is in a unique situation.
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I love it when the big boys start knocking off your goods.
"I don't care about winning the division or winning the President's Trophy. I just care about getting to the playoffs." --GMGM
How’s this for a big difference between the NHL and the AHL? Both the Caps and Bears are playing in upstate New York tonight. Caps flew to Buffalo yesteray afternoon and will have a morning skate. Bears played at home last night and are on a bus to Syracuse this morning. And then I assume they get right back on the bus after the game, because they’re playing at home tomorrow at 5 pm. Yikes.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Did they win last night? Is MP back yet? With the promotion of the studs on that team I just haven’t been paying as much attention this year.
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No, and yes.
I’m still paying attention, although it’s not nearly the same with all the graduates playing in DC this year. I picked up a Walton tweet about them being on the bus this morning, so I looked at the schedule; I knew they were playing 3 in 3 this weekend.
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Ovi Trailer – The NHL marketing people need to be stopped. I may not even watch the Winter Classic at this rate. The Sid/Alex thing is now beyond ridiculous.
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If you disagreed with my comment you could have at least come up with a more eloquent response not to mention one appropriate to the forum.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 13, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
What I meant was why are you knocking the NHL for capitalizing on hype and turning it into revenue. Besides, Sid and Ovi are the only two players that Sportscenter watchers know about, so why not promote them?
What I meant was why are you knocking the NHL for capitalizing on hype and turning it into revenue. Besides, Sid and Ovi are the only two players that Sportscenter watchers know about, so why not promote them?
See, that wasn’t so hard to comment that way in the first place instead of writing “Go hang out with Obama and hate on capitalism” or some other vague commentary was it?
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by Christoph J on Nov 13, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The reason is because have reached beyond the saturation point with those two in the hockey world. It’s like the Sox vs. Yanks. It’s played out.
As to your second point, they aren’t marketing the video to Sportscenter viewers, they are marketing the video to NHL fans. Even casual NHL fans are away of other star players besides those two.
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In the past 3/4/whatever years, Ovi has been arguably the best indiviual player, and Sid has won a Cup and Olympic Gold. Who would you rather them market? Stars are stars for a reason, and it wouldn’t make any sense for the NHL to make videos of anyone but the game’s biggest guns.
I would rather them market them individually then together. Again, there was no need to put Sid in that video. Ovi is a big enough name himself. Second, I would never put all of the marketing eggs in such a small basket. You are limiting your viewership and potential audiences by focusing too narrowly on two players. I’m fine with using them, I’d just do more to get other faces out there as well. Third, as I mentioned above like with anything else there is oversaturation. People get sick of seeing/hearing the same thing over and over again.
I recall back in the days of the Bulls/Jordan before they won title that ones of the reasons they started to become popular was because people were sick of having Magic/Bird rammed down their throats. I am starting to see signs a similar thing happening with Stamkos though on a much smaller scale.
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In fairness, you can be irritated by the marketing campaign even if you think it makes sense for the NHL.
Agreed. But the NHL’s foolish goal is to market to the entire sports fanbase of America, and they only way they see that possible is to shove Ovi and Crosby down everyone’s throats
Let’s say I agreed with you on the premise that marketing Sid/Ovi constantly to the “entire sports fanbase” makes sense. It still doesn’t explain why you continue to use the pairing when marketing to the hockey fanbase which is who the video is aimed at.
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If you start to market Backstrom, Malkin, Semin, Stamkos, Halak, Thomas, Sedins, Chris Stewart, Brad Richards, etc. to the general American sports-fanbase, nothing will stick and everyone will get confused and not remember any of the players. The NHL is doing a good job of marketing Ovi and Crosby and they should keep it up.
When John Wall came to DC, I remember he had a quote of something to this effect on the DC Sports Bog “I don’t know anything about hockey, but I know Ovechkin and Crosby are the best players”. In my mind, if the NHL can get in the heads of people who absolutely don’t care about hockey and make them remember that Ovi and Sid are the best players then the NHL has done its job
You still didn’t address my point. The video wasn’t made for and isn’t currently being marketed to anyone, but NHL fans. People who already know Ovi. What is the point of again linking Sid and him together, especially when aiming at a group of people who have already been oversatured with the Sid/Ovi thing?
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It’s in the Clips above ^
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by EmilyB on Nov 13, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The new Alex Ovechkin DVD drops on November 16. Here’s the trailer. [NHL.com]
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by CapitalCentre on Nov 13, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Featuring Ovi’s new ink – in English!
It’s a tribute to his brother: “Sergey you are always in my heart”
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I wonder why he would have done that in English. Well, I wonder a lot of things about his tattoos, but that question is topmost right now.
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by CapitalCentre on Nov 13, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I love that you’re arguing about something you haven’t even watched.
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Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 13, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, you’ve been arguing with me this whole time and didn’t even know what I’m talking about???
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Haha, yeahhh. I was arguing more about the NHL’s promotion of Ovi and Sid more than any individual video, whatevs.
But really, it is an ALEX OVECHKIN dvd they are trying to sell, who would you rather have them in the promo video?
I would prefer just Ovi, but if its going to be another player certainly not Sid.
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Wow, fantastic pull from the archives, Natty.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 13, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
There’s this Ovi trailer as well
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by EmilyB on Nov 13, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We haven’t seen the video, maybe Crosby is only in it for 5 seconds and it includes other stars at the NHL awards. It didn’t bother me to see Crosby for a few seconds. I guess I have just accepted the inevitable fact that is how the NHL will market. This might not be in your face very much as some of their other stuff.
I wasn’t talking about how it’s portrayed in the actual video. I’m talking about the marketing of the video.
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I guess I haven’t seen any marketing of the video other than the clip. Are you referring to something else other than the inclusion of Crosby in the clip?
The clip is what they using to market the video.
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At a runtime 60 minutes (likely inclusive of extra material) I’m guessing Crosby exposure is minimal at best.
"DON'T SAY THAT! Please! That is the worst, most stupid thing anyone could say! Cause it quite clearly isn't "only a game." I mean if it was do you honestly think I'd care this much?"
by Bald Pollack on Nov 13, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
You do know that there are other teams and fanbases in America, right (approximately 22 by my count)?
You think they might want to see their star players in some videos now and again?
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
Absolutely not, Ovechkin and Crosby are the only two players in the league that matter. Ever.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 13, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. A wise person on here once said something to the effect of “the NHL has dug its hole and now has to sit in it.”
by red army line on Nov 13, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
You know who else has won a Cup and Olympic Gold in the last 3-4 years? Toews, Keith, Getzlaf, Perry, Boyle (if you go back a tad bit further), Seabrook. There are a lot of good players. Sid and AO may be the two best, but they don’t have to be the only guys getting marketing attention; it does a disservice to the league.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 13, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Can we please keep the political commentary out of the rink.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 13, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The only other thing that trailer needed was a slow motion shot of Ovechkin walking away from an explosion with a rocket launcher slung over his shoulder. Talk about overly dramatic.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Nov 13, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
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Resisting the urge to make a disastrous jersey purchase, that I will regret, of the Krasnoyarsk Killer Rabbit. Someone slap me silly on the noggin.
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No one is going to stop you. Do it.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Uh, no. Last thing I want is a jersey of a player who potentially won’t be here next year.
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by Christoph J on Nov 13, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
50/50 chance he will be here next year. I believe it is either KHL or the Caps.
I’m confident he’ll be back though, as I just bought my Semin Winter Classic jersey. It worked out for me last year when I bought a Backstrom jersey
These KHL rumors are overblown. Name one other top-level Russian player in their prime who received a market-value contract from the NHL who left? The answer is none. The most “controversial” player to leave for the KHL was Radulov, and he was playing on an ELC, which was well below what he could get paid in Russia. The other guys who left were either washed-up (Kozlov, Fedorov, Nabokov), or fringe types who could get more money as stars in the KHL than as bit players in the NHL.
The Kovalchuk drama demonstrated that the KHL is a bargaining tool and nothing else. The, “I’m going to take the money and go home” shtick is an empty threat at the end of the day because these guys want to be playing in the NHL. Moreover, for guys signing long-term deals, I’m sure that the (relative) financial stability of US teams and the security of knowing that one’s contract will actually be enforced is not a trivial consideration.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 13, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Semin is an enigma. Kovalchuk is more a franchise-type player, Semin is a Robin to Ovi’s Batman. He is happy here with the Caps; I believe he will stay because he likes the town, the team and the Russian camaraderie. I don’t see him playing for any other NHL team besides the Caps. We’ll see what happens, but I do stick to that its either going to be the Caps or the KHL.
Neither is a franchise player (or at least not one around which I’d build a franchise/team).
As has been discussed before (by KHtaD?), Semin is better in pretty much every facet of the game with the exception of shooting talent and consistency.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 13, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t mean that Kovalchuk was a franchise player, but that he is more of a leader/franchise/whathaveyou type of player than Semin. Kovalchuk was greedy in going for the $100 mil, I think Semin will unselfishly take a hometown discount to stay with Ovi.
I don’t see either as a player to build around, but I’m not a fan of building around wingers in general.
Kovy was greedy for wanting to make the maximum amount of money someone would offer him? Last I checked that was called being a capitalist.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 13, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
What I’m saying is that it was an ego thing for Kovalchuk to go for the $100 mil. It seemed like it was something he was so adamant about because it was a status thing or something. I don’t see Semin like that, and I bet he’d rather stay with Ovi and the team he’s been with for his whole career than have to uproot himself and go to a team with potentially no Russians, which he adores.
What’s different now as opposed to last year, when he and his agent were looking for a short contract?
But why sign the one year contract and not a five, six, seven year deal? If you’re offering a hometown discount, and you’re that interested in staying where you are, why not just get it taken care of?
If they knew he wanted to stay here, signing the one year deal is a nice bridge to see how other extensions play out this year with some of the other FA’s this summer and guys coming off ELC’s. We already got Neuvy at a pretty good price for the next 2 seasons after this one, we’ll see how Laich’s contract talks go as well. Not locking in to something long term might have been what both sides wanted to see where our cap number is going to be after another round of signings.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Plus the cap may go up a bit as well.
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Yeah I alluded to that in my other post further up I think. That will be the interesting spin on the whole thing. If the cap goes up 2 mil or so that’s a nice bit of wiggle room to play with. How Mackan/maybe MP later in the year develop may also have a lot to do with it if we don’t have to keep Flash.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
If you look back at Ovi’s GQ article, much is made about the role of Money in Russian society. AO and Sasha have to be able to throw down when they go home every summer.
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I’m not sure how much Sasha is throwing down up in Siberia. I’m sure he goes out some with Ovie but he seems to enjoy a quiet summer as well.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Right I’m saying I’m sure he hits up Moscow a little bit and they hang out some but I don’t see him as the guy out tossing money around every night at the club like I would with Ovie
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
It sounded like Semin didn’t go to Moscow this summer to visit Ovie, although he thought about it. Semin doesn’t seem the type to go out as much as Ovie. I heard that Semin rarely goes to Russia House, unlike Ovie.
Semin talks about going out on his yacht and fishing while on vacation. Actually his dad is into fishing here in the DC area and Semin goes with him at times.
I don’t think you can use ballin to describe church worship, but whatever works for you. Does Semin ever bring his BFF with him?
It was a joke, sarcastically comparing to Russia house. Never seen Ovi there. Semin usually comes in late and sits in the back because everyone there knows who he is and girls always try to talk to him. He leaves shortly after the Service is over, not too much mingling. His parents come from time to time, when they are in town I guess
Reportedly, I’m just saying it had advantages for the team as well.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it was, and my take on all of that was Semin was not happy with the total package and wanted another year to show his stuff to garner probably a higher amount. That does not mean he does not want to stay here, but felt he should be able to demand more. It also gave the Caps a nice bridge and another opportunity to decide how to structure a longer-term deal, if that’s what they want from him.
I think Semin will unselfishly take a hometown discount to stay with Ovi.
Why?
by David Getz on Nov 13, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Believe me or don’t believe me, but I’m speaking on behalf of an inside source that he idolizes Ovi. Take it or leave it, I don’t care, but I know its the truth
So now you have inside sources?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 13, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think having seen that picture of him and Ovie biting their gold medals from the WC’s 100 times on here we all knew that ;)
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
We also know Semin’s agent said he (the agent) doesn’t believe in discounts, specially while discussing Semin.
Really? How old are you? Don’t you know that everything spin-men, especially greedy sports agents, say in the media isn’t really true. Obviously he would make a comment like that to help their side in negations.
Besides, Semin is the client, not the agent. Semin picks the final amount of years and money, not the agent.
Really? How old are you?
It’s one thing to disagree with DMG. It’s another to make an inappropriate comment like that. I suggest reading this before you post again.
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by Carl Putnam on Nov 13, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
To be fair, what agent does. And if they do, I don’t want them working for me.
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This haha
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, but it’s one thing to like playing with your good friend, and it’s another thing to stall out your own career to stay with him.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Nov 13, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Stall out his career is a little harsh, maybe?
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyone’s forgetting that Semin is with a winning team, that always plays a big role in where players want to play.
Yes—why would Semin want to go to Pittsburgh, New York, or Carolina?
by red army line on Nov 13, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a matter of interpretation, I suppose, but the translated interview that Orrlov put up in the fanpost has a quote from Semin alluding that he would sign a contract the Caps could afford if he wanted to stay.
Is that a discount? Not necessarily, but the implication is there. I think the bigger leap is to assume he’d do it to stay with Ovie – surely the two are great friends, but this is the only NHL team Semin has ever known and it seems like he is in a great place personally and he must be close with many of his teammates, not just Ovie. I’m having a harder time imagining Semin wanting to go to another NHL team if the money is close just to be “the guy” (and past quotes from him lead me to believe he’s not interested in the KHL).
His play may be enigmatic at times, but personality wise he seems pretty straightforward.
I don’t get the whole “he’s happy here” thing. Unless you know him personally you don’t know that for sure. And even if he is that doesn’t mean he believes he won’t be happy somewhere else. I could see him playing for 29 other teams in the NHL.
Athletes, even the above average ones, have a relatively small career window. Most want to maximize their potential earnings while playing. I haven’t seen anything to suggest Semin feels any differently. Plus, he doesn’t have any family issues, like a spouse or kids, that might make moving look less appealing.
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You’re right, I don’t know him personally, but I do see him at St. John’s Russian Orthodox Church in DC on Sunday mornings when the Caps are in town. He usually goes with his parents. I’ve also read in interviews about how he likes DC and calls it a “nice, quiet little town”. Of course, he is uber-bff with Ovi, and he owns two houses in Arlington. He seems pretty happy here to me.
From what I see of him at Church, he really embraces Russian culture, so to speak. That’s why I feel that he will either be with the Caps or go to the KHL.
he really embraces Russian culture
Really? I always pictured him as more of a Swede.
by Yoshietree on Nov 13, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He is absolutely not going to the KHL, which I call the Kaos Hockey League. I can’t wait for the caps to spring Orlov and Kuznetsov from bad coaching and interminable travel.
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Oh come on, the coaching in the KHL has to be at least as good as it was for the Russian Olympic team.
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Both of their teams fired their head coaches in the past month. They had a great deal of difficulty finding anyone willing to coach Dmitry’s team, and the (Canadian) goaltender of Geno’s team quit in disgust.
Not a good situation for either of those players.
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Good for over the hill players, bad for anyone who ever wants to play in the NHL, or anyone who can still play in the NHL.
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Every case is different. I’d argue Nabby made a smart move going to the KHL from a money standpoint. You could make a similar claim for Radulov, but that gets a bit complicated depending on whther you look at the long term NHL contract implications were he to come back to NA.
I’ve said this before, trying to compare the KHL to the NHL or even older established leagues like the SEL is a mistake. It is an extremely young sports league. Like all young leagues it’s going to have its share of growing pains and problems. However, it isn’t some backwoods rec league that ruins careers.
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Radulov’s decision was ridiculously shortsighted. Yes, he could make more immediately in the KHL, but he’ll likely never get the top-end salary there that he could here.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
From what I can tell I think its 50/50 if he ever comes back to NA. He’s an exception in a lot of ways.
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He’s dumb in a lot of ways. The guy put up 26/32/58 as a 21-22 year old. Maybe he feared being another Zherdev. Maybe he feared playing for the reincarnation of Nikita Kruschev. Who knows?
Still, had he stuck out his ELC, his RFA contract would likely be paying him more than he’s making now, and his first UFA contract would have paid him substantially more. As it remains, he’ll probably have to take a steep discount to come back.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
Backwoods rec leagues probably put more of an emphasis on player safety.
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In the US maybe, in large parts of the rest of the world definitely not.
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However, it isn’t some backwoods rec league that ruins careers.
Unless you’re unfortunate enough to need medical attention there and they carry you to the parking lot like a sack of potatoes.
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by Rob Parker on Nov 13, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Certainly the lack of an ambulance at that game wasn’t good. However, the medical issues in the Alexi Cherepanov story go further and get more muddled the more I’ve read.
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There’s definitely a lot going on there, but between not having an ambulance or even a stretcher on premises it’s pretty shameful. Anyone could have the latent heart issues (though how much PEDs did or did not play a role is in the air) but their response was pathetic. Zednik would have died, no doubt, if he had been sliced in a KHL game.
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Yesbut…some teams are playthings of the politicos (Dynamo Moscow) and some of the oligarchs (SKA Petersburg). All of them talk a good game but the metrics don’t compute. There are several teams in deep financial distress, and more than one where the old soviet aphorism rings true: “We pretend to play hockey and the team pretends to pay us.” Lada comes to mind – they just paid their players money due from last March.
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The same thing has happened in countless sports leagues all over the world and still does. Go look at the history of what are now the pro sports leagues in this country. Teams folded all the time back when they were young.
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Except that these aren’t young franchises and this isn’t a ‘young’ league. The KHL has been around for some time in different guises, previously as the Super League.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
Which was essentially the old Soviet league. Comparing that league to a league that is trying to be a true top rate professional league just isn’t a fair comparison. Just because some of the “teams” are the same doesn’t mean that the league structure/rules/money has been around for the same amount of time.
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Just because some of the "teams" are the same doesn’t mean that the league structure/rules/money has been around for the same amount of time.
Sorry, man. The KHL is the SuperLeague plus a few teams outside of the former Soviet Union. That’s it. Same people, same money, same teams. It was as though the NHL expanded and changed its name, but left Bettman et al. in charge.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 13, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know that, but the Super league was basically the Soviet league gone capitalist. Which is now what the KHL is with a bit better job done in terms of rules (IMO). It’s not like the Soviet league was a top flight league in an even quasi-capitalistic system that signed decent numbers of foreign born players.
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Sure, I was just objecting to the notion that this was some young league going through inevitable growing pains (as the NHL did back in the day, and during expansion).
This is the KHL, for better or worse. They’re ‘blessed’ with Russian concepts of organization and contractual obligations.
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My argument wasn’t about the NHL in the expansion years, mine was about leagues in general. They go through fits and starts, have money/rules issues, and many don’t survive.
I’m not arguing the league doesn’t have issues or that its anything but a 2nd tier league, I’m arguing that expectations of the league should be more realistic.
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And I think you’re discounting the unique issues presented by Russian ideas of commerce and politics. I understand that many leagues have their issues, but the idea that you could compare the woes of the second-best hockey league in the world to those of Arena Football League II is laughable, and the reason for that is that Russian commercial and political institutions are a bit of a joke.
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the idea that you could compare the woes of the second-best hockey league in the world to those of Arena Football League II
Not that you did, but you could. :)
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LOL! I could, but I prefer the comparison to the Primera Division in Argentina or the MLS in the USA.
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No, at least if you go from top to bottom. They have some top line talent that is better than the AHL. The leagues are structured differently and have different purposes. The KHL is designed to be the best league in Russia. . The “A” is designed to be a long term 2nd tier league in NA.. It focuses much more on development as D’oh noted.
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I don’t discount all of the factors in play in Russia. The federation, the internal politics, and the current structure of the economy all factor in. However, this is true to one degree or another in any country. It certainly is more extreme in Russia at the moment, but it hasn’t gotten to the point where it will kill the league. They certainly make it almost impossible to improve the quality though.
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I’d just say this, if I had to pick a league to have my prospects develop in, it’d go AHL>Eliteserien>SM Liiga>KHL. That’s not necessarily based on quality of play, but on how the leagues develop players.
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I’d agree 100% from a development standpoint. KHL does a poor job in the development area.
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And I’d say that the SEL is closer to the AHL and the SM Liiga is closer to the SEL than the KHL is to the SM Liiga. Basically the top two, IMO, are almost equal, SM Liiga is a close third, and the KHL is way off in the fucking distance.
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I don’t get the whole "he’s happy here" thing. Unless you know him personally you don’t know that for sure. And even if he is that doesn’t mean he believes he won’t be happy somewhere else. I could see him playing for 29 other teams in the NHL.
Semin’s face is pretty expressive. He smiles when he’’s happy, and he’s been smiling a lot lately.
He can’t even re-up with the Caps until Jan. 1, so this topic is only going to increase exponentially in speculation until then or beyond
I don’t see them extending him until Feb or March to be honest if they were going to anyways…wait to see how consistent this “burst” is over the course of the season. He’s also been injury free so far, so we’ll see if anything creeps up. Also if you work out a deal then, perhaps it gives him a boost to focus on just the playoffs after. None of us “know” him personally but you’d have to think of someone who wants to succeed that not scoring last year is eating at him still.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t believe this KHL thing gets thrown out there so much. He has not said a thing that I can remember to give anyone the idea that going to the KHL is something he is remotely interested in. In fact, he’s said the opposite: he likes playing here, this is the league that means something to professional hockey players. Yes, they’ve talked to him, but par for the course and in his enigmatic way, he never said how he replied. Always sounded like a one-way conversation.
GMGM hates “losing” trades. Even if the Caps and Semin don’t agree on a new contract before the playoffs, GMGM might keep Semin just based on the possibility that Semin might really hit his stride in the playoffs and boost a team, then the move would totally blow up in GMGM’s face
He didn’t “win” a lot of the deadline deals last year.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hindsight is 20/20. Walker was past his prime, but was good in the playoffs in past years. Corvo was meh. Belanger, I would say was a win. Also, Jurcina, if the Caps advanced further.
Of course there’s the Chimera-Clark deal too, that’s a big win for GMGM.
All in all, it was a win trade-season last year GMGM.
If they really liked Juice that much why not give him a million to say so we could sit Sloan more nights. I’ll grant that Belanger was probably a positive, and might not have minded seeing him back this year (at least at the price PHX got him for wtf). Walker didn’t cost anything really anyways.
That’s why I said deadline deals, the Chimera deal was an absolute steal.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
How in God’s name can you call Belanger a win?! Reg season: 17 games. 2 goals, 4 assists; playoffs: 7 games, 0 goals, 1 assist. That, friend, is not a win by any estimation.
by mechanicsville on Nov 13, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
A net positive probably. The production certainly wasn’t there, however he was a monster on faceoffs against the Habs and obviously gets a lot of credit (maybe too much) for playing after losing 8 teeth. Considering he had very little time to gel with new teammates he was bounced around a lot with different linemates. Would have been interesting to see what kind of numbers he might have put up with a full year in the Caps’ system.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Which GM likes “losing” trades?
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 13, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ha! He’s good at it.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 13, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
It's All About The Benjamins

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by Christoph J on Nov 13, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Damnit. Sorry for the double post!
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by Christoph J on Nov 13, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Per Vogs & Katie, Mackan to 2C tonight, Flash at 3C. The defensively responsible rookie between two net crashers. Ummmm…
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Regarding Laich as a net crasher…he’s been much, much more than that this year, or is getting really lucky, since his Corsi Rel is best on the Caps right now.
by red army line on Nov 13, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
(well, he’s been both, since his PDO is 109%, but in the sense of only going on the ice for good Corsi shifts, etc)
by red army line on Nov 13, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
he’s been much, much more than that this year
I know that. Was oversimplifying a little, and honestly I’m happy that Mackan’s back in the lineup and there’s not two better linemate-mentors in the business than Knuble and Laich.
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Woo Holtby first off the ice.
Boo no Tom Poti, probably.
And DJ King on press box patrol.
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Boo no Tom Poti
You’re freaking kidding, right? He came back too soon AGAIN?
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by D'ohboy on Nov 13, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Post-morning skate notes from Katie:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/buffalo-sabres/braden-holtby-first-off-the-ic.html
The return of Sloskine.
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I was thinking the same at first, but the other thing to consider is that we are playing a back to back and they might just want to rest him one of the games as to not overwork him and have him pull something playing 2 in a row.
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by i12swim on Nov 13, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Considering we have back to backs only 22 hours apart I figured Poti might sit one of the 2 games. Makes sense for it to be the road one.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
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Liked seeing the brief story on Hendricks. I can’t get enough of that guy and his enthusiasm on the bench. In 15 games he’s 2G/3A/t Pts, but both goals were GWGs (against CAR and NYR). Averages around 11 minutes TOI. Nothing stellar, but a solid fill in at a cap hit of a mere $575k. Best deal on the team at the lower end (e.g. not including the Backstrom salary for comparison) if you ask me.
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by bigeugene on Nov 13, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
GMGM is totally going to trade Semin away before the playoffs.
Can’t let him go for nada
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. - Michael Jordan
How do you figure? This isn’t Bouwmeester/Kovalchuk – Semin’s a key cog on a Stanley Cup contender and he’s expensive and a UFA. So the Caps would have to find a trading partner that:
A) Is a Stanley Cup contender themselves (otherwise, why pick up Semin?),
B) Needs a scoring winger,
C) Has a surplus of the things that the Caps might want (#2C, top-4 defenseman, veteran goalie?),
D) Has the money and/or cap room to acquire Semin (admittedly less of a problem as the season wears on), and
E) Is likely not in the Eastern Conference (since teams are generally loathe to make trades that could come back to haunt them).
The only plausible partner I could see would be the Kings. Their interest in Kovalchuk suggests that they’re not happy with their scoring wings. With Kopitar, Stoll and Handzus, they’ve got decent center depth and their D is beyond deep. They’ve got the cap room to make a deal, and I think that a Jarret Stoll + D (Johnson? Greene? Teubert? Scuderi?) would seem to make some sense.
Other than that, who’s out there who makes sense as a partner? The most likely scenario is that Semin is still with the team at the end of the season.
And I hear you talk the talk, but I don't see you walk the walk and I still don't believe a thing you say.
One of my main pet peeves is people who speak as if they have inside information and/or know how players feel. One of my lesser ones is people who throw around opinions as if they’re fact. You’ve pretty much nailed both of those.
by Yoshietree on Nov 13, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Dude if you’re going to come in here, say you know a lot (while trying to pimp jersey deals) and passively snipe at folks, I can say with reasonable certainty you might not last that long here.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 13, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
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Sorry in advance as this will probably get flagged…
But for the record if I had any say I’d vote you off the island. I must be getting old because this is the first time in my life I feel compelled to ask how old someone is then quickly follow it up with where you went to school so I could make sure I move away from there to ensure my children don’t get the same horrible education that you received.
/is there an ignore function in SBNation?
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Fuck the island, off the planet itself.
by CaptainAwesome on Nov 13, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
As a matter of fact, there is.
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I understand that there are rules to this and every other blog regarding commenting, but lighten up a bit. Don’t take everything so personally. Maybe some time away from the computer might do you some good. Anyway, no more off topic talk.
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I understand that there are rules to this and every other blog regarding commenting, but lighten up a bit. Don’t take everything so personally. Maybe some time away from the computer might do you some good. Anyway, no more off topic talk.
I’m not really sure how this works, could you demonstrate for us?
by CaptainAwesome on Nov 13, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Btw, 20, UVA via Phillips ExeterThat’s relevant. Plus, I don’t know any douchebags out of either of those institutions.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Nov 13, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Also, that’s ironic, self.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Nov 13, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Why don’t we all just shut the eff up, quit having an academic dick-measuring contest and get back to talking about hockey sans politics, personal attacks or ludicrous insinuations, shall we?
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by D'ohboy on Nov 13, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
D’ohboy with the smakedown!
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by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 13, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if he’ll take a “deep, deep” discount…I do think he’d take less money to play here. He clearly enjoys playing with Ovie/Nicky/Green and this team, and the idea that Ovechkin gets to be the alpha dog does take a lot of the pressure and spotlight off Semin, which is exactly how he seems to like it.
I would love to keep him, it’ll be interesting to see how him and Laich’s extension talks play out, and whether or not the cap ends up going up a small chunk.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a very close call between Laich and Semin, but I believe Semin’s skills and ability are more rare and more gamebreaking than Brooks’ could ever be. Yes Laich is a solid second liner, but Semin is hovering in the 50 goal range every season for the foreseeable future. I would have to take Laich over Semin, but I don’t know if GMGM sees it that way
Dream scenario they both decide they want to win multiple Cups here and find a way to make sure they both stay here…I have high doubts that will happen though.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
In Orrlov’s fanpost, he translates that Semin states that Washington can afford him and that if he (Semin) wants to stay with the Capitals, it will get resolved. Add to that GMGM’s comments after the 1 year deal last year that they’d like to keep Sasha long term and the current buzz that they have already started to chat and I think he will sign with the Caps. But who knows…..I’d like Sasha, his skills and personality, around for a few more years – and I’m sure that fact will be what gets the deal done! :)
by Ray of Sunshine on Nov 13, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we just saw Carter sign a monster deal today, so I guess GMGM might look to that and take Semin…
by red army line on Nov 13, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Doubtful. Discount, perhaps. Shorter term, pehaps. “deep, deep discount”,highly unlikely. The NHLPA is not going to let that happen. If his market value is $5m/yr, he’s not going to allowed to sign say a $3m per year deal with the Caps. No way.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 13, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know the specifics, but I do believe the player signs his contract, not the PA.
Also, “deep, deep” is vague. What I mean is that if he signs for 4-6 mil, but scores 50ish goals, that is a deep, deep discount
True, the player signs the deal but the PA has influence and a vested interest in making sure their members get paid market value if not more. Note how they came to Kovi’s defense during his contract issues. They would no doubt put pressure on Semin and his agent to ensure the deal is market based.
$4-6m is a pretty big range. He’s getting $6m for a one year deal after being an RFA and scoring 40 goals. $4m/yr for 5 or so years at his current pace would indeed be a deep deep discount.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 13, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
True, the player signs the deal but the PA has influence and a vested interest in making sure their members get paid market value if not more.
How so? The amount the players can be paid is determined by total league revenues. I’m sure they want to maximize that number, but they’re presently paying quite a bit back via escrow. That means that they’re over the cap already, does it not? The PA has a vested interest in making sure that the aggregate of all paying contracts reach that limit, but I don’t see a benefit to them after that point. Which is part of what made their Kovalchuk grievance so puzzling to me; they were effectively arguing to pay Ilya with larger escrow payments from the pocket of every existing contract, also known as their members.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 13, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’m talking about individual player salaries. They don’t want to see salaries going down as a result of someone taking less than market value. Same reason you don’t want your neighbor selling their house for below market value. Provides and unfavorable comp when you want to sell.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Nov 13, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
But they’re already over the hard-cap for escrow on what they can be paid. By a lot. Does it really matter how much you can sell your house for if you can’t collect on the sale?
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 13, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are expecting the NHLPA to act a hell of a lot more rationally than they’ve shown in the past. They sure do seem to act as though maximizing the FA contracts of stars is their primary goal, regardless of the escrow situation.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 13, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A healthy hometown discount is the only way the Caps will decide to keep him.
Semin showed previously he demands what he’s worth (or goes with what his agent says), but that is the past. My opinion (we’ve all got em) is he will be gone before the trade deadline (to a non-contender) if he can’t be signed beforehand.
It’s a subject that’s been covered a few times, and bound to be brought up increasingly as the season continues.
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My opinion (we’ve all got em) is he will be gone before the trade deadline (to a non-contender) if he can’t be signed beforehand.
Really? A non-contender is going to trade us something we actually want for a UFA-to be who costs $6m/year? Unless the Caps throw in a top prospect or some picks, I don’t see that happening. At the point where GMGM is trading Semin+(Varly? Orlov? Johansson? Perreault? 1st Round Pick?) in order to get a return is the point where he should be fired.
It takes two to tango and I don’t see anyone out there on this dance floor.
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by D'ohboy on Nov 13, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Exactly, why would a non contender want a rental? The Caps have the most points in the league right now, are coming off a Presidents Trophy and playoff disappointment, and have a fan base that is demanding playoff success. This sounds much more like the type of team that would want a player in his contract year than a non contender does.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
No way, this is the Caps year to make a run, they have the cap space to add a player or two at the deadline without trading Semin, so I don’t see them moving one of their best all around players.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Unless the package back would be astronomical in our favor, which there’s no way it would be since he’s pending UFA
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. The Caps are going to want to be buyers on impact rental players. Semin is probably the biggest impact rental player on the market. Why sell the one you already have? Another GM would have to make GMGM an idiotic offer for Semin (like, a younger, cheaper, equally valuable player) for him to pull the trigger, unless some horrific series of events befalls the Caps and they end up as sellers at the deadline.
The Caps trading Semin doesn’t make any sense. A non-playoff team trying to trade for him makes even less sense.
looks like that will be the plan.
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by ThePeerless on Nov 13, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Since it's never too soon to start handicapping the Hart, here you go.
Uh, just asking here, but how is it a defenseman who doesn’t play especially good defense and plays not at all on the penalty kill (a total of 2:07 all season so far) get mentioned among the Hart candidates?
Oh, yeah, I forgot…he’s not Mike Green.
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by ThePeerless on Nov 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Y’mean Dustin Byfuglien? He’s the feel-good story of the year – the Forward Who Became a Defenseman When His Team Asked, as opposed to The Defenseman Who Selfishly Refuses To Admit He’s a Forward.
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by EmilyB on Nov 13, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because he picks up his play when his team needs him to – in the playoffs! That one time …
And he’s big!
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Nov 13, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Semin for...
OK, what center is on the market, and who would we part with Semin for? Stamkos? ;)
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Back in the net tonight, coming off of injury. What do you all think? I think he’s gonna be rusty and the Caps will chase him to the bench.
Looks like Mackan will be between Laich and Knubs. Both of those guys have potted a few lately so let’s see what the kid can do…although I admit BB’s analysis that Flash does have chemistry with Fehr and Chimera (at least Fehr) is somewhat true. Holtby and Mackan tonight 7pm can’t come soon enough.
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Tickets for sale
FYSA,
Selling a pair for tomorrow’s game against Atlanta and next Saturday’s against Philly. Posted over at the Rink Rat Ticket Exchange.
D'oh
Head here for Wolski discussion at FFH.
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Just commented.
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Thanks. I thought your perspective as an Avs fan would lend a different perspective. Much appreciated.
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Any time. Looking forward to seeing what you guys say. I’ll try to watch some ‘Yotes games to flesh out my perspective. What’s your take on Kevin Porter?
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I’m not a big pro or con guy on Porter. Similar to Wolski, I have questioned his consistency of effort on the ice at times. I think coming out of college people placed too high of expectations on him. He’s a 3rd line type of guy in my mind. He’s got some skill, but I don’t think not enough to be a consistent 20-20 goal scorer. I was very disappointed that he didn’t blow the doors off last year at rookie camp when he was the vet of the group. I think that was the final nail in his coffin in the Coyotes organization.
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Via Bob McKenzie
Jeff Carter has agreed to terms on an 11-year, $58 million contract extension with the Philadelphia Flyers. AAV of $5.27M.
interesting deal for philly in my opinion, didn’t see him getting locked up for that long.
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Good news if you want Semin to stay with the Caps. Carter’s contract will be a bargaining chip by the Caps telling Semin he isn’t worth 6+, since his numbers are relatively comparable to Carter’s. After this season I believe there will be 9 years left on Ovi’s and Nick’s contracts. It’d be nice if the Caps could work out a 9 year, $50 mil +/- deal with Sasha
One prob – Carter was an RFA, not a UFA, so they’re not direct comps.
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Only the first year of that deal is an RFA year, though, right? Everything after is UFA.
by red army line on Nov 13, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like that for the cap hit in a bubble, but it’s really hard for me to see it happening for more then a few years at a time with Carlson and Green needing new contracts in a year or so. I think we all can agree keeping money to resign Green has got to be priority number 1. We have seen this year the difference between when Green is playing and when he is out.
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When is Mike’s contract up?
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I believe next off-season, Spring 2012. Do you think it will come down to the Caps being able to hold on to either Carlson or Green. I do envision that, especially if Laich and Semin are re-signed. I don’t think the Caps would have the cap space to keep 74 and 52. If I had to choose between Carlson and Green, its tough to say right now. A lot can change in a year or two
I more meant Semin vs. Carlson + Green is the tough choice, I’d rather have the flexibility to sign them both then Semin in some ways but it is not easy to decide. I don’t envy GMGM making all these choices.
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I think that the next deals that Green and Carlson sign will have a total cap hit quite a bit higher than any conceivable Semin contract will receive. Given that, I don’t think the choice is between Semin and Green + Carlson, but possibly between Semin and Green (Green has to be the pick given the makeup of this team) and between Laich and Carlson (once again, the D is the choice, especially since it will be his first RFA contract).
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, that makes more sense in a comparable way. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out the rest of the semester and as much as I love Semin’s skills and what he brings him nor Laich are as vital to the team as it is currently composed to have 2 good/great puck moving defenders.
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A fly in the ointment is that we don’t know where Carlson is going to be on his career trajectory next year. Will Carlson at 21/22 be at or beyond the level of Mike Green at 22/23? And if Green already gets >$5 million, how much does get after next year?
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I think Carlson is ahead of Green in his career trajectory but he won’t get the points that Green gets, so he won’t get the money. Green didn’t have anyone above him on the depth chart for PP1 or top offensive D role, Carlson has Green. So although I think Carlson’s all around game is more polished, the numbers are what get the dollars.
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If it’s choosing between each pair the D wins in each case. I’d like to think we can keep both Green/Carlson along with one of Semin or Laich but it might not be feasible. Carlson will get a healthy raise but it might not be as high as I’m worried about.
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Any conceivable contract Semin could receive. Yeesh. Write, Preview, Post.
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by Knee high to a duck on Nov 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see if “The Hockey Media” suddenly finds Green’s game more worthy of praise as he gets closer to contract negotiations.
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I can’t cite much off the top of my head, but I think they are. I heard Bob McKenzie on XM yesterday praising Green, while dissing the rest of the Caps. I’ve seen others in print as well.
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Just generally amazed with the world? :)
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by D'ohboy on Nov 13, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good to see the board this lively mid-day Saturday. Must be the cold weather driving everyone inside.
Thank you for the enjoyment as I caught up.
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2 games in 22 hours this weekend will do that. Skins don’t play until Monday too I needed a reason to lie low this weekend and I have it
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by Davethecapsfan on Nov 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I don’t have a good feeling about this game. Buffalo’s desperate for their first home win, and we haven’t had great luck on our past few visits there anyway.
(Also, the weather in DC is gorgeous today. Mid 60s and sun.)
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by CapitalCentre on Nov 13, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Gray, high 40’s and windy here.
I haven’t had a good feeling about a game in Buffalo ever. Seriously. With the exception of Juneau’s tap in to win game 6 in OT, the Caps just haven’t played well in Buffalo.
Worst thing, however, is that I’ll be in the car for part of the game and will have to listen to their radio crew. If he says something like “upstairs where mama hides the cookies,” I may crash the car.
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Please don’t.
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by CapitalCentre on Nov 13, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t. Mrs. Spidey will be shotgun. Can’t leave my kids without parents.
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